Txikisode 4

Bat-bi-hiru-lau Watch your back, watch your back Ertzaintza's gonna get you Watch your back, watch your back Ertzaintza's gonna get you Watch your back, watch your back Oh, there's a crime here It's a coming from the Euskal Herria Gotta wash those red hands It's the crimes of the basquelands It's the crimes of the basquelands I haven't had a three day weekend for a long time Yeah, lucky you If only I were so lucky Someday, someday, that's the dream We'll make it there Once everybody's...

Yeah, come on people, let's get on it We don't need to work so much Why don't we just pay people reasonable wages to work Three to four days a week Wow, IRL, it's like March, end of March Yeah, very end of March, tomorrow is April Tomorrow's April 1st It's April in Japan Oh, in Japan it's April I've already listened to the news from April Same old, same old Yeah, so that's when we're recording this So you'll hear it much later Because I was gonna say we're in the middle of an AI revolution

Maybe we don't have to work anymore in March 10 Maybe, yeah, when this comes out we'll be there, we'll be living in AI So let's think positive But in the meantime Here we are, in the end of March There are still crimes in the world Yes, always, there always is There's still descendants of Basque people in the world Yes, always And that's our favorite theme for the podcast Yep, so it's crimes of the Basque lands We talk about crimes in the Basque country And all the lands that have been Populated

Populated by their descendants, wherever they are Wherever they are in the world Tonight we're drinking a classic From Basque lands brewery I know, which I was thinking, we must have been semi-inspired by our podcast names through their beer, right?

Because we drink that a lot, like quite regularly And it's a very good, they're a very good brewery We really recommend this beer Yes, I think they're making waves around the world right now Yes, I think so And appropriately so named, Imparable, Unstoppable Yes, that's what we're drinking, the classic one, the IPA It's lovely, very nice hobby profile And see, you know Boom, that's us Cheers Cheers everybody So this week we have another Cheeky Soad Cheeky Soad Cheeky means small?

It does mean small, but as we were reminded after the first episode It's not small, it's going to be the same length It's the same length episode, it's just the stories are short Yeah, it's only like highlights of little mini crimes I guess mini, I mean the crimes might be big, but Yeah, we're just mentioning We're only going to cover them briefly Exactly So you have a ton of stories to tell I do, I always have come with a lot But that's because I just eat this stuff up like breakfast

You love it I've got my two minimums To kind of give some variety here Yeah, and to try to get somewhere else in the world It's true, I'm good at bringing in the outskirts of the Basque I generally stick to the Basque Country It's all good, it's all good But Douglas is our international investigator Yeah, I explore further fields We were joking that our research methods are kind of newbie A lot of times we'll just go crimes, Latin America And it's like we got a lot of statistics

Yeah, we learn a lot Just by our search engine We do But one of my favorite methods where I usually get a little bit faster results Is just looking through surname So I've mentioned this a couple of times I said I just look for a surname A surname and crime surname Which is great Blood, plus I usually come up And so that's the method I use today That's amazing, I think it's a good way to go And you came across some statistics Was that the first story?

Yeah, I'll mention my statistics that I found When I talk about one of the stories for tonight Oh, I have to say though Just to think about statistics as well Like today I wrote one of the surnames I forget which one it was We'll get to it and I'll remind the listeners that that was the one But I just searched it And I forgot to put like caught or crime or police Arrested someone So I just put the name in and I was like Oh, so many nice stories I was like there's something wrong here

I'm like oh yeah, you forgot to put crime You forgot to put something bloody in search Yeah, I just want to prime our listeners to remind them And all those surnames if we take away the word crime Are full of lots of nice stories as well Yeah, of course And really the world is full of good people It is Crimes are pretty minimal You know, in terms of percentage Yeah, they are pretty What's happening in the world It's all about this impressions, right?

Yeah We hear about all those crimes But in general people are doing great things As well as bad things Yeah, it's true But more good things Way more good things So don't be afraid to get out there and live your life Yeah, cheers Cheers to that Cheers to that On that note My first story Okay, I'm going to start with the more gruesome stories From the last period Since we did our last cheeky so So the first stories that I'm going to tell you Are not lovely It's going to get easier with time

Yeah, so I'm going to start with the worst ones And then hopefully we can end on a more positive note Fingers crossed That's the idea Wish us luck So shall I begin with this first terrible story?

Let's go with it It's terrible Okay, so this happened in January Of this year, 2023 So a woman Poisoned her two children Oh my gosh Who were ages 8 and 10 Oh my gosh Here in the best country Yeah, in Baracadó, Baracatán As you told me it's called In the previous episode It is their informal name It was in Baracadó And so with some unknown substance They didn't say what substance she used To try to poison her children And then she tried to Cut her own throat You know, commit suicide Essentially

Commit her own suicide or take her own life She had called her ex-partner Who was the father of these children To inform them Him of what she was going to do And he was the one that called the authorities So Luckily Because she had done that They arrived on the scene And were able to save the children And her So So nobody died In this story I mean, it's still very traumatic for everybody But I'm really happy the kids survived Yeah, exactly Their lives, yeah, can I mean fixing But

But first steps first It's definitely trouble But yeah, so That's the first terrible story That I have from the news Of recent I'm sorry to hear And do we have any names in this story?

There's no names I mean, that's kind of I mean, I think they're probably like protecting the children's Oh yeah, it should I think, yeah, definitely children's names Shouldn't be Yeah, so they aren't giving any names in the story Yeah, would probably Maybe there's other stories that have come out since then But they're different But no, they didn't give their name Well, greater bow bow Yep, so that happened here Where we live, yeah, sadly And it was like first of January So New Year's Day

Oh my gosh, yeah, emotional times I think, I mean This woman was clearly Needing some psychological help and Pressures over New Year Never help anybody Yeah, and if you're like I don't know if they were recently divorced Or what have you And so Family time, and it's Christmas Yeah, after Christmas Wow So yeah, anyway That's the first story I had Well, I hope they recover as fast as they can They did, they're fine They survived and the children They're recovering and I'm assuming

They're going to go into custody With their father Hopefully So, that's my first terrible story That was terrible I know And I've got more Let's go, let's dig that out Let's get worse So today is The time of recording It is March 31st The end of March Yesterday In Doosto, fresh off the press Fresh off the press Which will bring back our conversation about stats Doosto is greater It's part of Bobao It used to be an independent Municipality The one I love about it Because they're very very proud

Of their neighborhoods Like it is a neighborhood now but It's important to know that it used to be a municipality Like they have their own football team Probably had a town hall Oh for sure They definitely had a town hall But you know, of course Football team also creates a lot of identity, right? Yeah, absolutely The part that I find hilarious As a foreigner who's not used to Local terminology Like the name of the municipality of Doosto Was the Republic of Doosto What? What?

I don't know if it's an informal name but Everybody, you know But like as a joke or is like a They were serious No, no, like that's how they say it However, I don't know if it's like a weird translation But it's like what everybody says It's like yeah, yeah, a lot of public of the Doosto I don't know if it's like a joke or is like Yeah, they think they're like a Republic Or if it actually was Literally historically But you know, it's just a thing you hear around town all the time

So I think it's cute Something to look into We have talked about Doosto In an episode I think I remember Talking about The tomatoes, did I mention tomatoes? Because they're very famous for tomatoes as well Oh, are they? Why?

I think I mentioned that already at some point I guess they Well, we mentioned a lot of things Bilbao used to be very small And Doosto kind of used to be like the outskirts Where you would have vegetable gardens So I guess they were just famous for For their tomatoes And today they're known for their university It's one of the most prestigious universities In the country In Spain For law and business, economics So there you go Well, this is gruesome As well, sorry everybody So, trigger warning

I should have given you a trigger warning for the other one about the children So I'm really sorry I did not But trigger warning We put the general trigger warning in the entry So if you're listening to True Crime Podcast It should come with Horrific events Come with a turf So this just happened yesterday So, and it's another Fucking terrible case Of a Man Who has broken up with his partner And Attacks his partner Gosh, how ridiculous So this was a 60 year old man Who went to the home

Of his ex partner Who was 58 Well, he Beat her up And he set her on fire Oh my gosh, what a ridiculous Yep Stupid dickhead Yep, one of the many So yep, so she's now In the Major burns unit of Cruises Hospital So her status We don't know At this point They have a 15 year old daughter Together According to neighbors, they were A very problematic Partnership They interviewed The neighbors Because it happened at the house where they once lived together And the partners said they

Constantly fought, blah blah blah And she had thrown him out of the house On several occasions And yep So the neighbor that I guess talked To the police about their Relationship also said that he was the one That heard screams Coming from the apartment and called the police Oh my gosh So they were able to come and intervene And actually he said That the neighbor was the one that went in to put out The flames Oh my gosh Very hard Really hardcore So it's sometimes good to

Stick your nose in your neighbors affairs For their sake Of course So that This was the story I was going to say when I was When I Do my searches too, I just put in Crimes, fast country And the year To see what comes up I always get like stats

Right? Like how many crimes The types of crimes that have Occurred Like if it's robbery or if it's assault Or if it's murder or whatever And And then it then leads me to these Other articles that say that actually In the Basque Country there are Less machista Crimes because these are considered gender Gender violence crimes Or sexist crimes So less than the rest of Spain Less than the rest of Spain They're lower than the rest of the I mean I expect that It's a very matriarchal society

In the sense that women are Have a very powerful position in society

Right? They They're very present, they're very strong They've been present For many years so I mean I assume that would help Lower those Kinds of numbers Yeah, they say it's a Matriarchal society but I don't know if I say that I wouldn't call it a matriarchal society I would say yes that women have a lot more Involved How do I say They are more Involved Let's say because there's a lot of Fishing There's a lot of fishing culture So there's a lot of Places where men are away for a long time

So women tend to take Care of business and The business of like the men go fish The women take the fish and Then sell it so they're a lot more involved In the economics A lot of times Historically than in other places I would say Historically as well you know We've mentioned already Basque whaling being a very Historically important Trade and I want to and also Cod Going for Trading for cod with Norway and Iceland and things like that so like They're very long trips so they'd be Away for months

They went to North America Before other Europe They're the ones in charge at home For months For long periods of time Bringing up their children and a dangerous Kind of Profession as well of course Where sometimes those boats wouldn't come home Exactly They would be the heads of the household It's a possibility and they knew About that Yeah that's definitely That absolutely feeds into the culture Yeah For sure and I wouldn't go so far as to say that This is a matriarchal society

People here say it is but I don't I wouldn't say necessarily that it is It's more like gay friendly There's no gay friendly country but there are More gay friendlier countries They are yeah So I think in relation to Other patriarchal societies It's very matriarchal but it's not matriarchal In the absolute sense Not in the absolute sense Not systemically but maybe culturally No yeah There's a lot of respect for the women The mothers but that's the thing It makes a big difference if in the last

300 years women have been able To inherit have been able This is a huge feminist culture here To run businesses And here they've always kept Their name you know you never adopt your Men's name yeah but that's the case All over the country It is but you know well Here you know not in Portugal I'm not sure about France Actually might be the same in France But you know those things count Yes absolutely they count yeah Absolutely they count yeah So you know I think in Latin American Or anything

No they take the men's name As far as I understand yes but maybe They might not In Brazil they definitely do They do they definitely do yeah The father's name yeah The woman takes the Husband's name as her own she does But also the children Have both her names See that's different It's in a different order than in Spain Because in Spain you go First name middle name So my name is Douglas Alexander And then here it goes Father's name mother's name So the last name

Father's second last name which is his mother's Last name you're going too fast You've lost half of our audience Oh sorry Sorry what you're Going to say Well they keep all the names They keep both their matriarchal and their patriarchal Names they're their you mean when you Marry maternal names So like in my case so Douglas Or even children of a partnership Yeah like When you marry you don't change your name No yeah but the first Two names are not family names Necessarily generally you just get

Two family names generally Like yes your Husband only has two family names right He literally has four Sure but he goes by two Oh right so he did write down all four And his mother's And then he has two more Added on to that So he has four surnames Now there's a thing here Which I guess we have to talk about now The eight surnames right Oh yeah the eight after you This is a thing in the Basque Country So if you know your four Surnames that means you know

Every one of your grandparents surnames right And if you know all of Your eight surnames that means you know All of your great grandparents Although it should be More right it should be Shouldn't it be 16 Four eight yeah we're terrible Bear with us So before then it would be No that's right that's eights yeah It's the parents it's eights It would be the two yeah it's all the man Plus all the wife's names In a way yeah so then you get eight So if you The line goes and this

Is a bit of a joke and there's a film about it And it's a very funny film yeah Which is your only really Basque If all of your eight surnames Are Basque are Basque yeah So that's kind of the joke but on Paper you're only Required to have two and generally That's what people do so yeah people usually Go by two your husband is a bit He goes by it but he has the four He he There are four because His mother has two that are The the You know his mother And his father have two others yeah

But he's not going by right Yeah but that's the thing is Some people have them some people Don't but generally we don't write them In our birth certificates here or In Latin America we only get two I don't know about birth certificates I've never looked at His birth certificates Well I'm doing nationality Things so I'm looking into birth certificates My great great my great grandmother Not great great just great So she had like three first names Like one first name

Two middle names and then her two surnames But that was in Catalonia She's Catalan not Basque But it's the same surname Traditional it goes same order So it's sort of similar Yeah they they They alternate right Father mother father mother father mother right In that order Exactly whereas in Brazil they would Still pretty patriarchal right that the father Comes first always Well it depends how you Look at it because the two cultures I Know I'm going to look at it That's fine but however

From my point of view Like I grew up Between Portuguese And English and so In English you Ask me what my last name is Not my surname or can You can say my surname but last name is Surname it is but It not in the case of the Basque country Right because it's your penultimate Name that is your surname Not your last name It's not literally your last name Because Americans say Last name not surname Sure but what I mean to say is also it Doesn't come in the last Place in in terms of The male name So

So your husband's Father's surname comes before Your his Mother's surname and then his mother's Surname would technically come in The last place on his name But it's not his last name that's what I mean Yeah yeah which is You know my he's going By but he's going by his In general he's going by his Father's surname Of course like most people It's not that matriarchal yet Yet Not yet but Yeah I mean I think we're we're on the same page right Yeah My point was that as a gay guy Who has been with

People of You know Basque culture and all my partners Actually were Basque It would be it you know sometimes We thought about adopting I think I'm getting older for that right now Okay So I'm thinking that's in my past but when I came up there was There would be a question about The surnames and I always Thought it was cute that if I had A baby with Another guy from here Both of us would be happy because I would be happy my name would be the last One and he would be

Happy his name would be the one before Last why were you happy that yours would be The last one because in my Both cultures The last name is your surname Not your one before Last so if You were called you know Ghanoussa Garcia Then in all the Countries that consider your last name your Surname Garcia would be your last Surname however in the countries where You know like Castilian Speaking countries they would consider the The one before last the surname So my partner

Would be happy here and then maybe Latin America but I would be Happy in Brazil and then the UK It's like you know everybody got their Cute Little intercultural Relationships some Benefits many Disadvantages But that was one of the nice cute Tangent on surnames we didn't even see That coming I babies I mean surname I love Family trees and I've been doing I know I guess you actually got me into it I love it thanks to Everybody should do their family trees and Half of our listeners probably have

Basque ancestry I bet I have some back there We're gonna find that We're gonna Find some crimes I'm sure That'll be a special day We can have a family crime Day yeah we talk about our Own family members all the crimes we can Find their own family from the past they're long dead We can talk about them now I mean if I look if I stretch The net wide enough I'm sure You can find a lot of cousins in prison Sure and even many crimes yeah That counts many That's harder to find but yeah

Wait for this major crimes maybe not Super AI might be able to tell us About our family super AI I don't Know like every week there's not a lot of Fact checking every week though No it's not not not factual yet Yeah maybe when our Listeners listen to this it's become Factual but maybe not yet Well guys this is a good Chance for a little break Bathroom break Or whatever yeah let's do it See you in two three Okay Hi there we're back We're back so Douglas

What's your story? This crime is Occurred in Chile The neighborhood is called called the Thames, T-H-A-M-E-S, which is, you know, the River Thames. Yeah. Apparently there's a neighborhood in Santiago called that. And this guy who is 23 years old, unfortunately, was killed with a, by a shot. And this guy was on the loose. He was shot. It was, there was a party going on and this guy came running in sort of as an excuse that he wanted to save this guy outside. And apparently he is the main suspect.

And finally they got him. This happened in January. I don't know if 50. So wait, somebody got killed. It was in January. At a party. So the thing was there was a party in this neighborhoods in a time Thames neighborhoods. And this guy came running in and said, help, help. This guy is on the floor. He's hurt. And they went out and they saw the guy had passed away. They called the police, but this guy who went into the party was who shot him. For him was the one who shot him.

And so today we're seeing the news that he was sent to prison for 16 years for that killing. And they have other, during the process, they found some witnesses who did see, they just kind of randomly were having an argument. There's no explanation as to why, but he, Jorge Garro was, was, was shot on his lower back somewhere. I said lumber area. That was the lumber. And he passed away almost immediately. So today Fabian Lucero is the guy who was condemned for his death.

And so Garro is the best and Garro is the surname from the victim from Iparralde from the Northern best country from the victim. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not an actual like real cause. We don't have any explanation in a couple of articles that I read about it, but at least he was condemned for 16 years. So the victim was Garro. Yeah. Jorge Garro was a victim and the guy who killed him was Fabian Lucero in Chile. And the surname came from North of the best country.

Cute. Like apparently there's a Valley Garro, maybe Garro if it's French, but it comes from Basque, of course. And there's a castle and everything. I've never heard of that. So now it must be tiny. Yeah. Tiny, tiny Valley. Lucero, I think has some kind of connotation as well in Castilian. Do you know? I have no idea. I, yeah. I mean, Lucero I've heard of the surname, but I don't know if it's Basque or not. I don't think so.

No, it's not Basque at all, but I just think it's got some weird meaning that is related to death as well. Oh, like Lucifer, like the devil. It actually is a variation of Lucifer. I just checked it. It is actually that. I said the devil killed him. Well, it comes from light. Yes, because he was the, okay, if I remember my Catholic upbringing, he was the fallen angel that became Lucifer. Okay. So I can't remember how he like here it says he got into, you know, bad business with God or whatever.

And then he became Lucifer. He was the fallen angel. Yeah, I remember that. And here in etymology it says because he was the carrier of light apparently from the Greek Hespero. Hespero, well, there you go. I mean, well, yeah, but wait a minute. I want to check the dictionary because I think it's an actual word. That's what I should have done in the beginning. Sorry, guys. See, it is a word and it means a bright star or Venus. Lucero. Yeah, means bright star.

Okay. Okay. Well, I must be thinking of another words in any case that bright star that shine of light killed our poor Harhagar. He was well, I mean, that's what happened with Lucifer. He just seemed like he had a lot of promise and then he did something really bad. I can't remember what it was because I don't blocked out a lot of my Catholic upbringing.

Well, I watched the camera when he did to piss off, you know, the higher ups to make him go down to hell or whatever and become the overlord of hell. I think of the devil. I mean, there's probably 80 versions, right? We have to choose. Probably most likely. I have to say I was I was I'm still am a very big fan of the Netflix show. Lucifer. They kept going on a lot of time. Douglas takes care of Nana. I can see his what he's watched on Netflix. My gay things I can find Lucifer.

Is there a lot of like really hot men? Yeah. Well, he for one, he's bi, which makes me very happy. And you know, it's it's it's an American series. There's enough ass kind of some ass to keep you entertained. He's a sexy little boy. But is it about like a devil? I haven't watched any of it. So it's a kind of it's a little bit cheesy kind of, of course, naturally. But like, you know, it's like and it's a kind of cute take because somehow he is a devil and yet he cannot lie.

Oh, so he has to say the truth and he's just always using subterfuges. Plus everybody is saying, oh, my God, he's like, not my father again. He's always like. So he refers to God as his father. That's I like that cheesy bit. And so all the times it's kind of like just awkward. Don't put my father in. Yeah, yeah. And he will kind of just people don't pick up on it. I love it. So they went on and on about how unjust it was for father to do that with him. But they didn't specify what he did.

And I can't remember either. Yeah, I'm not sure they were. I know I was taught it at some point, but I can't remember. I don't think they were really closely looking at the Bible. Maybe they're maybe they are, though. Good writers would do that. I think. Yeah, they would. Little build on a story, you know, that was already there. You know, well, yeah, versions and versions. Of course, everything's a version. It can take everything is a version, but it can take us so far.

Yeah. I mean, it's funny, like sometimes I see that. And you guys have seen I love etymology, seeing where words come from. Yeah. And it's really weird sometimes. And I'm sorry, I don't have an example right now. But a lot of times like now I'm studying Norwegian mostly. And it's crazy. You'll find a word and it's like from German. And then that came from Latin and then that came from, you know, Turkish and that came from Arabic. And they're like, it used to be like a cushion in Arabic.

And suddenly it's somebody's name or a way to kill somebody. It's like the name, like the words go across culture and it becomes something else and it becomes all meaning. Well, not that they always have an aspect. Build on a meaning. That's the thing. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, they're building on something that was already there. They're built, but in a very different. I'm not sure. Build riff on. I think riff on is more where I'm going.

So by the fourth riff, I don't know if we've got much connection with. So you don't think the TV show has anything to do with. I mean, it obviously has something, but there was the special like sword that would kill anybody, even God or something. And I was like, I'm not, I mean, I'm not even Catholic, so I don't know if that exists. Yeah, that could exist. I don't know. I can't remember anything like that, but it's possible. It just depends what Christian you are as well, though.

Yeah. There's a lot of different Christians. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. Do you think Orthodox Christians believe in Lucifer? Yes, I do. I think they just call it Putin. I hadn't planned that. I thought it was true. Depending on your political readings, it'll be either Lucifer or Biden. So I go back to. Yeah. Your surname, though, you were saying this like could be from French of French Valley. Garro. Garro. Yeah, it was a valley in France and there's a little castle.

So it appears that's where the surname came from. OK. In bed. Which is a good like what? How do you call it? Like a lead in a hook. Well, sort of. It's. What's the name of that thing? A good leader. A good leader. A good no, it's not. Oh, man, I can't remember the word vocabulary escapes me now. Hook. No, it's not. Oh, shit. Transition. That's what you want. Yes. It's a good transition.

OK. So, yeah, your story about this valley in France is a good transition because I. In the northern Basque country, Julie. Excuse me. Northern Basque country. Southern France. Thank you. And does actually transition into a story I'm going to tell you that was big news in our first story about French Basque country. Well, I mean, we did touch on northern Basque country in which is true. True, true. We did mention, although not much happened there.

Yeah. It was a bit of living in a northern Basque country before. Yeah. So this happened in a very, you know, like this is a beautiful little town, San Juan de Luz. Hmm. San Juan de Luz. Yeah. It's beautiful. Yeah. It's a really I mean, I've been there. Have you been there? I have. It's lovely. I hesitated a bit there, but yeah, I have. I went there for Corrica. Oh, you went running. Douglas running. Yeah, you did used to run. I remember you running at one point. Corrica, Corrica.

Shall we explain? Yeah, go ahead. People, what is it? Corrica. Yeah. Very cute little project. So it's a project that people have created to support the Basque language and Basque education. Mm hmm. So the way it works is every, I think it's every year, right? It's not every two years. It's every year. So they make a whole route around all of, I'm not sure if you have to go through every Basque province, but it goes through all the Basque country.

They circle into Navarre, into the Basque autonomous region, and then into Northern Basque country. And every kilometer has to be sponsored by either a company or a private person or whoever wants to sponsor them. And each year they manage to usually build a whole new school, a Basque... Like I Castella. Yeah, like I Castella, which will teach children usually in Basque for the first year. So they just do that as a way for years to try and... I Castella is like a primary school in Basque.

In Basque, yeah. So for regions like in the Northern Basque country, which with a very centralized French education system, they really had no option in a public system to study Basque. So they had to have these kind of private schools to be able to study Basque historically. I mean, now it's easier and there's some more options, but yeah, France is very bad at teaching anything but French. So it's super important there.

And here it was also important because after dictatorship, there was very little education in Basque initially. So I went up there and you don't need to run like a lot. And I think I would... No, you can do like a kilometer. I did it one year and I did like a kilometer. So I just ran through Bilbao for a kilometer. Exactly. And a lot of times it's just for fun and you've got music in Basque when you're running and people are singing little things, chants in Basque.

And it's just as well, it's a Basque culture thing. It's very sweet. Do you know it's even reached Boise, Idaho? Oh, I'm sure it has. That's so sweet. I didn't know though. They have a currica in Boise, Idaho, yeah. Oh, that's sweet. Because they have a I Castella in Boise, Idaho as well. They must, yeah, of course. That's so nice. So they even have the currica in Boise, Idaho. Shout out Boise, Idaho. Shout out, shout out.

I think we, since we're mentioning it and it's, let's hope it's unlikely to find any crime connected to the currica. It's possible. Let's mention to the listeners the little thing they say when they shout when you're running. I don't know. They go tipi tapa, tipi tapa, currica. Oh like step, step, step. Yeah. Step, step, step, step, step. Just one step at a time kind of thing. Exactly. Just one more step at a time. So it's always in your rhythm. Tipi tapa, tipi tapa, currica.

It's very cute, it's very cute. It's, you know, once you've done it for, you know, that's exactly, I didn't do it for long. I only did it once. Yeah. But it was traumatizing enough that it sunk into my heart. Why was it traumatizing? You know, running, running, running. Oh yeah, running is hard. No, I enjoy running. Not really. It was a lot of running. I enjoy running. I enjoy running. I enjoy running. I enjoy running. I enjoy running. I enjoy running. I enjoy running. Not really.

It was, it was, it's just very much a cute cultural thing. And yeah, yeah, it's fun. It's fun. It's a good, it's a fun experience. Yeah. A lot of times when you're doing a little bit of like a physical effort, you're lifting something between three or four people. People go, tipi tapa, tipi, you know, kind of like, let's go, let's go, let's go. Come on, come on. So it's just kind of cute. So now we're in the Northern Basque country, which, you know, is in San Juan de Luz.

It was a terrible, this is also very terrible. So a 54, 54 year old Spanish teacher. So they were teaching Spanish in this school, was stabbed by one of their students and killed. Yeah. I heard about that story. It was horrible. It was a 16 year old teenager who apparently suffered from psychiatric problems. And before attacking claimed that something like quote unquote, it's not me, I'm possessed by the devil. That's what they said.

So, I'm laughing because it kind of, that's why we mentioned it was the, the witches. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a Catholic school. Oh, really? So this attack occurred on Wednesday morning. Well, this was in, this happened, this was in, oh no, I usually put the date. Oh yeah. February was in February, 2023. So it happened on a Wednesday morning, uh, before 10 AM at the Collegio Santo Tomas de Aquino, who is a very famous St. Thomas Aquinas. Yeah. He's very famous and Catholic.

What is the Saint Julie? Oh, he's a Saint. That's why I know the name. Why does that sound familiar? Uh, yes. A private Catholic, uh, school. Um, so this person got up, uh, from their desk, locked, went to lock the classroom door and then went directly to the teacher who was at the blackboard and, uh, he took out a knife and stabbed. Oh my gosh. Poor teacher. Yeah. It was a, I think it was a woman. Oh really? Poor person.

Yeah. Um, so he, this, the rest of the students tried to escape from the classroom while they were, while this was happening. Um, but it was another teacher who intervened and convinced him to hand over the one, the knife. So, um, yeah, and well, you know, before the police arrived, apparently the student confessed to that teacher who had convinced him to give him the knife, um, that he had heard voices and was possessed.

And it was, you know, sadly, you know, this is a kid that like apparently had good grades. It was not a troublesome student, no criminal record. Um, but yeah, there was a record of them having like some sort of psychiatric disorder. So was the teacher, did she die? She died. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't clear when I first heard the news. Yeah. So that's pretty sad. That's very sad. Yeah. That was the first crime I'd heard about like, oh, that's a, that's the French Basque country.

The Northern sides. Yeah. So that's a, in Basque, in Basque we say, uh, Ipar-Alde. Ipar is North. Alde is side. So it's like the North side, the North side of Aldea. That's why I learned that many times on this podcast. You see, you're going to learn like at least five words. I'm learning every day on this podcast, which is the point I'm learning along with our listeners. Let's let's learn Mr. Tomaso De Quino as you were asking before. Oh yeah. Who the hell is that?

He's, uh, he's born 12, 25. What did he do that was so special? He was an Italian Dominican friar and priest and influential philosopher and theologian and jurists. That's it. Philosopher. I mean, that's why it sounds familiar. Yeah. Sure. And jurists in the tradition of scholasticism from the County of Aquino in the kingdom of Sicily. Yeah. He's, he's known within the tradition as the doctor Angelicus, the doctor communists, the doctor on new salaries or whatever. Right. Interesting.

Natural theology. Well, I'm sorry. I don't get, I mean, I'm sure he was, I mean, I'm, you go does mention him a lot, so he was important. I think that's why it's more familiar than my Catholic upbringing. I think it's more of the philosophy thing. I think he's pretty famous. Wasn't he the one who I don't remember it. Cause I also don't remember what I've learned in philosophy from my studies. I'm just very study philosophy, but you did. Yeah. Well, at university, that's nice.

I didn't, I didn't major in philosophy, but I took philosophy classes for like a year or more. Yes. I mean, it's all part of, I have a communication degree, so you always learn about theory. And so there's a lot of philosophy in that. Nice. My biggest problem is I never remember names. So I'm like, I remember the ideas. And then I'm like, what was that? Here we go.

Aquinas was a prominent proponent of natural theology and the father of a school of thought encompassing both theology and philosophy known as Tom, Tom ism, he argued God is a source of the light of natural reason. Oh, we're back to Lucifer. Full circle. Sorry. And he argued that God was a source of light, of natural reason and the light of faith. Wow. It sounds like a real religious type. So yeah. Greatest philosophy, a philosophical medieval philosopher, a theologians. Well there we go.

Yeah. He was into God's. Anyway, he was into God's. Yeah. And then somebody got possessed, maybe by Satan. Maybe, maybe too much light in that school. Sorry, sorry. Yeah. Just, just try and move on. Just trying to move on. All right. I'll give you one more story and then we'll take a break. Okay. So this is my last, it's not, this one's not as gruesome, but it's not great. It's not your last story, but it's your last, no, the last one before our break.

Okay. And let's see, this happened, this happened recently. This happened on Tuesday this week. Oh my gosh. We're way up to, we're too up to that. Way up today. This happened on Tuesday. So there was this woman who went, it was living, living in a flat in San Francisco. Our name, well close to our neighborhood. Yeah. It's a, it's in the, yeah. Between our neighborhood. And she rented, okay. I'll just read you the highlights. All right.

So on Tuesday morning, the woman tried to leave the house in order to buy food. This is a translation from Google, so I'm reading it directly from the translation, but when she tried to leave the door was locked and couldn't leave her house. Yes. A house that she was living and renting. Right. That she lived with a couple. Right. Okay. So they, she had agreed to live in this apartment.

The story is that she agreed to live in this apartment with this couple and have performed sex work because apparently that's what they did in this apartment. Okay. Okay. But she was allowed to do that. We're saying. Right. And I think that that was the deal they had with everybody who lived in that apartment. Right. So there was her place where you could go to one more couple or there's more people as well. We don't, I don't know.

Okay. It's not clear if there was more people also living in the flat. So she said, okay, I'll go rent this room from you and I will practice sex work from this room and I will give you part of the, like as an commission, they would get like a, I don't know. They would get a part of her sales as well as well because they were like allowing it to happen. The John is a client. Who's the guy who a pimp, a pimp. He's kind of like the owner is kind of a pimp now.

Yes. So like had an apartment that was pretty much set up, I guess, for women to come in and out to do sex work and he would get part of the, yeah, a pimp. So he'd get part of the money, but it was a couple apparently, not just a man. It was a man and a woman. So they made this agreement where she was like fine with that. Like she was a sex worker. So she was going to, and then share part of her money and pay rent, I guess.

But when she went to leave one day to buy food, she went out to go shopping. She couldn't leave. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And it was locked and she asked them to open the door and they refused to open the door. So basically they illegally detained her in the place. So she ended up calling the police and apparently they had like a, well, an argument about like, like, oh, please don't call the cops. Let's try to work this out. But it was too late. The cops were on their way.

So this couple was then arrested for detaining her illegally. Of course. I mean, yeah. Good. Poor woman. I know. Poor woman. I know. I mean, that's difficult enough a situation to be in. Imagine people. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean, and then it gets, yeah. Then it's like scared. Oh, great. Now I'm unsafe. I thought I was doing something safe where, you know, I might be in a place where I could determine who I bring here and how I want to do business.

Yeah. And, and then to then be like faced with the situation, like, oh, they're not going to let me out. Like, oh, so they're going to try to hold me here against my will and try to control me somehow. That's ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, I think they got arrested for it. So luckily she was able to. Good. I'm not sure how permanent solution that's going to be. It sounds a bit temporary, really. Cause it sounds like they're going to get like a slap on the wrist.

Yeah. And they're going to continue to do what they're doing. And to somebody else, she's probably going to leave, but hopefully somebody else will take her place. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think we have to mention, like, I think, I, I, I think it's similar in most developed countries, but here it's a very big problem, uh, people trafficking. And even to the point of where we can confidently call the situation slavery and a lot of situations.

And there are a lot of cases like that for sex trafficking and in the whole peninsula in Spain and the vast country. And it, that sounds like it's, it's so common to have people in inhumane illegal situations that this guy kind of was, you know, he, this couple, sorry, felt just like, like they could do that. They could do that. Yeah. Cause you know, cause it felt so a lot of times we have for them, right. It felt so acceptable in their, in their kind of world, right.

In a way, and I think we have to talk about this a few more, like a couple more topics. For example, one of the issues is that a lot of those people who are trafficked are from third world countries. And a lot of times either they don't have a passport or the people who traffic them are keeping their passport or they're controlling them somehow through paperwork or saying, yeah, like that they owe them X amount of money.

So, you know, all those things are, yeah, very problematic and all probably, even if not directly in this case specifically, they're all issues that we're having to deal with here. Yeah. For sure. And it's really, really sad. So now basically, even though this couple got arrested, she's probably this woman is probably still in another shitty position, you know, like now she's got to find somewhere else to live.

Well, at least we're, I mean, I'm confident and I'm, I mean, I don't, you know, I can't imagine she's in a great place either, even though this all, you know, was resolved. Like it could have been much worse, obviously, but like she's still not in a great place. No, cause even if, if, if, if her intention was to just continue with her, you know, what she's been doing up till now, it's, it's not that simple to find a place where you're able to do sex where safely. Yeah. Yeah. It's safe.

Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. So that's my, that's the last one of my really harder stories. I mean, it was lighter than I'm so I'm still, I'm out of death. I've still got one more. I've still got one more, um, one more. It's a scene. Okay. What do you call it? One more death, one more death. But before that, let's take a break. Okay. So it's my turn now. Yeah. Um, the story is that an El Salvador Margaret Chacon Suniga. Yeah. Or, or Suniga. Yeah. Suniga. Yeah. Probably in El Salvador it's Suniga.

Probably. Yeah, that's true. That's true. In any case, I get, let's see if our listeners are starting to tune into the words. I'm sure they'll, well, they might identify that Suniga is the surname that is Basque. Yeah. And so she is married to, um, Andres Felipe Perez Ollos. Okay. Is her husband. Okay. And they are accused, both her and her husband, of planning and being involved in paying for the murder for hire. Murder for hire of, um, Marcelo Pache, who was, um, Fiscal Paraguayan.

A prosecutor. Is that what he is? Fiscal? Yeah. It's prosecutor. So that what he is. Okay. So they were arrested. So yes. The why, so she, they were arrested because they were arrested because they were organizing a murder for hire, a murder for hire of a prosecutor. Uh, the prosecutor is called Marcelo Pache or Pethi or Pache. Yeah. If it's from Italian origin, we assume it's Pache. And so that's why she was apprehended in El Salvador.

But all the, the killing and everything happened in Columbia. Oh, so they did kill this guy. They did apparently. And the husband was already in jail and she was fugitive. And one of the slippery, it was, it was very slippery. I mean, she slipped out of there. She's like, honey, you go down for this. I'm going to go on holiday. So they were, she escaped. Yeah. She escaped to El Salvador. They were from Columbia and then she went in to El Salvador where she was arrested.

Okay. Yeah. And she was trying to settle there. We know this because she was with another man and she was presenting herself as single and a housewife. Oh, and why, why is the housewife? I mean, I just read some, no, no, no, they didn't call her housewife. She was presenting herself in El Salvador as the kind of partner to this El Salvador and you trying to get nationality or citizenship. Okay. So in this documentation, she presented herself as a housewife. Why is that funny?

Because she only left the country. I think it was 170 times and they're, they were like, well, where's all this money coming from? Or you're just a lowly housewife. And they were like, well, some housewives have a lot of money with their husband's money, right? For sure. They can leave the country on holiday, girl trips.

One of the funniest comments in this story I was reading, I mean, it's not hilarious, but she was like, it was like, I, I, and then it was specifying, I don't know if it was like plane trips or whatever, but it was like out of those 70, none of them were for Columbia. They're like that's suspect cause she was going, none of them were from Columbia to Columbia from El Salvador. So she went everywhere apart from Columbia. So you know, that was part of them being suspect.

Okay. So let me get this straight. So she and her husband in Columbia hired someone to murder Marcelo Pichin, a prosecutor from Columbia from Columbia. And then he was arrested for the crime. Yeah. And she, meanwhile she took off and went to El Salvador. Yeah. But both of them just paid. I mean, you know, they didn't actually, well, yes, but it's also a crime to hire. Of course, I'm just highlighting the husband wasn't, you know, there. And this was part of our fun discovery.

We had to Google what 1.5 billion. Oh, what they paid us. Yeah. That was, so that's what they paid 1.5 billion pesos, which it turns out is a lot for a hire. That's a lot for a murder for hire. Well, but it is a prosecutor. Yeah, but that's a lot. So that's 400,000 that for so much less for our listeners, $400,000 us. No three. It was 200, 300,000. I thought it was 200,000. 290 something thousand euros, but 400 more or less $400,000 is what the.

That is a lot to pay somebody to hire to murder someone. I just, I didn't necessarily say it was one person. I think there maybe it was a group of people. So you know, I guess murder is getting expensive, Julie. Jesus Christ. That's a lot. I, you know, in all of my true crime. Oh, really? History like reading about murder for hire and all this stuff. Never has it reached 400,000. I'm not into the prices. Never. I think it's a house. There are people that murder for $5,000. Oh yeah.

Yeah. $10,000 is like a good take. Yeah. But like that, that that's a husband. Maybe tops I've heard like 20,000, but 400,000 is a fucking lot. But that's like, you know, 5,000 is like a husband prosecutor. Come on. Yes. I guess that's high profile. It would be a high profile case. So he's got security. Yeah. But Jesus Christ, I've never heard that in my whole life. No. And I've read a lot about this stuff. I mean, that's what Google said.

Wow. But but they were saying that 1.5 billion was all the money involved. You know, they didn't say so. There were no eight months after the killing, there were no clarity about who the intellectual authors were. But they knew that there were coordination between various countries and there was more than 1.5 billion pesos. Involved in a crime. Yeah. They saw. Wow. So they were like they were handed over more than 1.5 billion in Colombian pesos. Yeah. Because it's me.

So I get confused because they say 1,000 million, which is a bill. That's a billion. That's a billion. Yeah. Millions is a billion in English. Believe me, it's not a billion. No, I know. I know. And there's good and because then there you go. So we didn't go a lot into this. I'm sure there's political motivation, right? Because I'm so little confused about the story. So tell me. So she OK, so she's married this guy. They hired somebody to kill many people to kill this one prosecutor.

They put a lot of money into it. Yeah, obviously. And then she went to El Salvador. He got caught, right? He got caught and arrested. She or the crime. She disappeared. She took off. She fled the country and went to El Salvador and presented as a housewife. The thing is and what brought her down was like that her her status, like when they looked into her back when she was trying to get Ecuadorian. No, not Ecuador. El Salvadorian nationality. Yeah, they were looking at her flight history.

Exactly. Exactly. Ma'am, you're not presenting who you really are. Yeah. Sort of thing. Because the first story that I came across is kind of saying like, you know, Interpol has has, you know, come has. Looking for her. Yeah. So Gustavo Vietoro, the minister for justice and public safety in El Salvador and Interpol have confirmed the capture of the woman who was the wife of Andres Felipe Perez Hoyos.

And they're highlighting that the president of El Salvador is insisting that they're not like refuge for criminals. And so it feels like they knew this woman was there somehow. And they were like, oh, you don't want to extradite her through Interpol. And so apparently this was a bit of a process.

And so because the president had to come out and say, I'm not we're not like refuge for criminals, it appears like he was either blindsiding them for some time and not answering or maybe looking like a refuge for criminals for some time. But apparently he's, you know, apparently come out and said, no, we're not going to be a refuge for criminals. So it's kind of it looks like he had to defend himself because she was there. It appears she was there too long.

Interpol and whoever else was looking El Salvadorian or Colombian authorities were looking for her and found her in El Salvador. And then El Salvador had to come out and say, like, no, no, no, we're not trying to hide exactly this person. It seems like that. And through this process, you know, I mean, you know, they didn't know initially that she was a criminal, but that comes out. I'm curious about the whole thing, like how is she presenting as a housewife?

So the thing was one of the another person was taken into custody, which was her, her supposed partner in El Salvador. OK, so he was presenting as her partner and she was presenting him as her partner. And so she wanted to get papers. So through him, she was trying to get papers to be a citizen. Yeah. So she was at least legally settled. And it turns out she was a criminal in Colombia. A good criminal. Yeah, not a convict. She wasn't convict yet. No, but yeah, yeah. A person of interest.

I don't know. What would you call it? Escape fugitive suspect. Something like that. Yeah. So Suniga is the surname. I don't know the origin. So I look into that or. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So I look into that, or are we good with this? Sure. Why not. Let's have a quick check. Where does that name come from?

It's kind of an unusual. I'm not sure we're going to find it. I tell you, when I went to Shout Out to Liberia Camera in Bilbao. Oh, did you get anything about. It's one of the oldest bookstores, bookshops in Bilbao. And I was in there, I don't know, a few months ago, I think it was probably over Christmas time looking for gifts and stuff, but ended up finding a few crime books. And one of the books I found was in alphabetical list, all Basque surnames. It's very best to be so organized.

And I was like, should I buy this book just to have every single Basque name listed? Oh, it was just for surname. It was all surnames. It's just all surnames. I thought you meant like criminal. No, I found some crime books with the Basque Country, but I also saw this book that was just Basque surnames. I mean, that's beautiful. I mean, there's a lot of for the pod. There is a lot of online resources in general, but I am. Yeah, there is. Yeah, there is. But I do look up brand born.

It was a pretty thick book, too. So there's a lot of surnames for sure. This first found in Navarre. OK, Navarre. If a surname is very small, it's very hard to find reasonable information about it because, you know, sometimes there's just like 100, 300 people with that surname, especially. Yeah. Here we go. Habitational name from the place in Navarre named Sunia. That's nice and easy. Always for a place. From Basque Swin cultivated land, a field, sorry. Swin means cultivated land.

I mean, I don't recognize that name, so it might be old Basque or maybe Basque in Navarre. Yeah, it could be. But I don't recognize it as a name in Basque today. It's not like my Basque is that good anyway. But Cultivated Field and Iga, which is means an inclined slope. And I can see that ego is to climb. So it makes sense that Iga would be so a cultivated, sloppy that is on an incline. That's where that family was. Damn on a slopey field. So Miss Sloppy Fields was apprehended.

Good. Well, she I mean, it's actually like with that amount of money that she paid for this murder, these crimes are high. I can't believe she didn't get away with it. Right. That kind of fucking funding. Yeah. Behind her that she wasn't able to get away with it. Yeah. She got into Asia with that amount of money. Right. Go to Asia. Don't stick around in South America. Hit it, baby. How did she get caught? She had so much resource. Yeah, she had so many resources. Clearly. 170 trips everywhere.

It's just an idiot criminal. They deserve to be caught. Yeah, they do. They do. It's not like if they were intelligent about it, we'd be happy. But Jesus. No, but I mean, with that amount of money, it's not like they were intelligent about it. They deserve to be caught. Yeah, they do. They do. It's not like if they were intelligent about it, we'd be happy. But Jesus. No, but I mean, with that amount of money, it's just insane that they don't get away with it. Anyway.

Yeah, that's that's not here nor there. They should be caught. Obviously. It's good that they were caught. They found her. That's great. I didn't say that. Shout out to all the good Sunni guys out there. Yeah. Yes, of course. Don't let this don't put this crime taint your name. No, you're all about the good stuff. So you have a good story now. OK, so let's go more lighthearted. All right. Yeah, shall we?

That's well, well, OK, I'm going to go with this story that's not lighthearted, but it's not as devastating. It's just an accident. OK. And more of a health and safety. I was thinking because, you know, it's March going into April that I started cleaning up our terrace. Spring cleaning time. You start cleaning, you start planting things and open cupboards. Yeah, you try to, you know, plant stuff for start to be growing. Right. This poor man, a 65 year old man died yesterday. When was this?

Twenty nine days at thirty first. So two days ago, two days ago, sixty five year old man died two days ago when a tree fell on him when he was trying to prune his trees and fell on him. That's unlucky. Gee, I know. This is in San Sebastian. He was just pruning his trees and the tree fell on him. So the tree is the one that committed the crime. That is poor guy. So sad. I know. Like I think about these types of things all the time.

You know, when you get older, you start thinking about like the weird things that will kill you. You just out prune. Can be anything. It could be anything at this point. Could be a glass of water. Falling out of the shower, you know, like tell me about these things. So yeah, this poor guy, 65. So he's probably like just retired, finally retired from his working life, just trying to make his garden beautiful so he could just chill out there. Enjoy his life and poor guy killed by his own tree.

Man, that is sad. I know. I know. Also not as gory. No, no, but just fatalistically. Yeah. And then, OK, I have another story that's also like timely for right now. Oh, yeah. So we are coming up on spring break, but the spring break here is all connected to. Easter. Oh, right. You're right. Yes. I mean, I tried to ignore it, but you're right. I always call it spring break because I try to like get rid of the religious religious aspect of it.

So literally we're being we have time off because it's Easter holiday. Right. It is true. So in Bama Seda, which they're getting geared up for their living passion of Christ. Oh, my gosh. His reputation. Yes, so if anybody's ever been here during Easter, it's not so it's a lot of weird things happening very, very not so. And as an American, when I first came here and there were these parades during Easter, everybody looks as if they are. Cluck's Cluck's plan. Member KKK.

Yeah, that's what you heard. That is what they're wearing. Like they're wearing robes with the comb hoods and it's super free. Summer in white, summer, white, summer, black, summer, red, purple. There's all sorts of colors, but it's fucking freaky. It's weird. Yeah. And let us just, you know, for the sake of historical accuracy, the KKK did inspire the was inspired by by them. Like so by these Christian. Yeah. Mm hmm. Like their processions.

I, you know, because of this relationship with the KKK, I was like, I've never looked into why they put some cones on their heads. Like why they're why they're disguised. Why are you disguised? Yeah. Like one of the aspects like which is weird as hell because I used to live like seven years or so on Cortez Street. Cortez is where there is a procession. The most famous procession in Bobao. And for context, I think it's necessary for context. It's one of the how can we describe it? Wait a minute.

There's a few layers of I think context that we need, which is first is one of the toughest neighborhoods in Bobao. Yeah. And that goes connected with the fact that there's a lot of sex work, a lot of immigrants for centuries, at least a couple in the sense that there have has been a lot of immigration from Spain. And that's part of why the procession is there. And what happens there? Why do I say this?

Because there is a tradition in Andalusia of singing to the saints that is being carried by the group of processing people, you know, and that either a saint or Christ or something, you know, marry somebody important for them and they'll go down. And in this case, I know that there's a Christ that goes down. It's correct. Well, because I don't know, does it all? I know it's yeah, I believe Easter. I believe you. I let's when Jesus died, he was crucified and then he came back to life.

I know that elements of the procession is about his crucifixion. I think I think it's all it's all in that area, right? He was so divided and came back to life. Those are the days of Easter. Right? Yeah. The interesting thing in my interpretation of it is I live in this very conflictive street, which is usually let's just say a little bit dirty because it's not, you know, super downtown. And now they're keeping it a little bit cleaner. But you know, the about his high standards of cleanliness.

They really do. Why is this important? This is actually I'm not mentioning this for no reason. It's because you know this. It's not only adults that do this procession. It's a lot of children and they go barefoot barefoot on this asphalt street that has had a lot of drug people. Or glass, everything, everything, dog shit. There's like they do clean it before the procession. They do. They come through with people. Before we shot before we shot everybody, they do come through with the here.

What do you call it? Bleach, bleach and they bleach everything, you know, and they scrub everything to some extent. But yeah, it's like to watch these kids with the little cone hats. I know it's freaky as hell. So I was I know, you know, it was so much shocking shit that I never really cared about why there was a cone on their head. So I get that the no food, no thing on your feet, right? You're going to suffer with Christ. But the cone, you know, yeah, I don't get it.

But yeah, all the cleanliness is say they go barefoot. A lot of them. Yeah. So this in Balmaceva is where they take it to the next level. Right. So this is the story. They're all like they're all like gearing up for. So in Balmaceva, which is in Biscay, which is I don't know, it's not that far from Bilbao. It's what? I don't know. Just west from here.

Yeah. And it's they have one of the processions that are most popular because they reenact the whole crucifixion, including with people literally flagellating themselves with the yak and barefoot. What straight range? No, the razors. Yeah. They cut themselves with razor sometimes. Oh, Jesus Christ. I thought they were just flatulating, you know, like, yeah, but what do you flagellate with razors onto their back? I mean, not in America. There's a lot of places. I don't know.

I don't know if that's what they're doing in Balmaceva, but maybe it is. I've heard that it's quite we haven't actually gone. Douglas and I have not seen it firsthand. We've heard a lot about it and we know that it is a big deal and that there are like thousands of visitors that go every year to watch. And we know there's blood and there's tickets and like real blood. Yes. People are. However, they beat themselves.

Yeah, they beat themselves until they're so they basically reenact the whole passion of Christ or whatever. Exactly. So so they're gearing up for that. So I thought that was appropriate for this week. You're up to that. So it'll be a little bit late when this comes out. But OK. So the story is like every Easter Balmaceva is the scene of a living stations of the cross. Right. So each part of the there's a reenactment. There's stages, I guess.

So 700 people participate in this tradition and it's been maintained for centuries. So despite the fact that some authors date its origins to 1480, the year in which plague epidemic devastated the town, there's no documentary confirmation of the existence of this representation until 1771 when the processions of Easter and Corpus Christi. OK. So that's officially, I guess, documented of when they started doing this whole reenactment.

So in the 19th century, new elements such as the penance or Nazarenes or the parishes or the soldiers of the Roman Guard were introduced, which became one of the most characteristic elements to this day. In this last decade, the 19th century, the top character by definition of Holy Week, the Nazareno or Jesus Christ is mentioned for the first time. It is from this moment that one can speak of a living representation of the passion of Jesus Christ.

In 1963, what is undoubtedly the peak moment of each staging was incorporated, the crucifixion. So all that was like Google translated to from a web page I found about this, like where you could buy tickets to watch this thing. The reenactment. Yes. So there you go. It's intense. It's very intense. It's super intense. OK. So you're just mentioning that that happens and that people which I see as a crime because it's just not so. First of all, that there are crime of logic. I don't know.

Like, I don't know why I see it as a crime. It's always shocked me to see these. I'll tell you what I tell you what as it has you. Right. I look like they're part of the Cook What's Plan. I'll tell you what walking through town like that is shocking. Very shocking. Although I also understand we can have points of view that color our impression. And obviously I'm an American. So those to me, that's like shocking. Those grown up people have the right to express their religion however they want.

And I totally support that sort of as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. But that's that's the line. And I think, you know, I didn't know that you didn't have a specific problem against it, but I'm happy to say I don't take your kids. I just taking your kid barefoot on court is is a fucking crime. Yeah, it's what it is. And I think it's a crime to bring up a child. And now now I might burn half of our listeners in the US.

But I'm just like, I don't think it's OK to make your child your religion. I think it's a child's choice to choose their religion. And when you get to the point where you're making them walk barefoot on freaking disgusting asphalt in the middle of town, that for me is a bit of an abuse. So of course, it's not like that kid's got to be adopted, but kind of abuse. But it's still like that's way too much than I would accept from my parents.

I mean, I would if I could divorce my parents the moment they told me to do that, I would like that's kind of how I feel. You know, like I don't think it's it's it's you know, it's they're not like abusive, but it is psychologically unfair and not OK. Well, I mean, I think it's normal that you raise your kids in your own religion. Everybody does it.

Yeah. But it doesn't I don't think it's even like walking on a dirty street is not criminal in my in my in my opinion, because I mean, my parents let me do I was allowed to walk barefoot, but that's different to saying now you're going to walk barefoot, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's for the for the passion of Christ.

Exactly. It's like I didn't choose myself to like they said, OK, my parents did let us choose at some they raised us up to a point and then they let us choose if we wanted to stay in the religion. What? Yeah. Sure. As as minors. So that was good. It was good for my parents. Like I I respect my parents for that. So I understand parents want to raise their kids in their religion. But yeah, you can see how you can see it being child abuse to walk down court.

Yeah. I mean, I'm Buddhist and I'm gay, so I don't think it's acceptable for people to impose their expectations on my sexuality just as much as I don't expect them to. You know, I don't expect to be imposed. I mean, I expect I will be and I was. That's natural. It's what has happened. But I don't think it's OK. I think it should stop. We shouldn't be imposing either our sexuality or our religion on our children. Right. That's my just my principle.

And it's probably because I'm neither the religion of my parents or the sexuality of my parents. I mean, it's the same for every gay person. But that just makes me more sensitive to those issues, I guess. Yeah. I guess the crime here is I don't know what the crime is. What is a 10 percent possibility that kid, I guess, is gay. Yeah, I guess. Which may be iconography, you know, like the oh, there's robes and everything now makes me freaked out.

Now, there's as an American, it makes me freaked out. There's there's some things that I like and I think is going to freak you out. And then the self-flagellation in public is weird to me. It is. And imagine if your dad is like going himself in front of you like a thousand, you know, a thousand people or more go to watch this thing in Balacera. And it's actually a person whipping themselves with perhaps razors, as you said. The reason now I make themselves bleed.

I know they do that in South America. Definitely in Brazil. There's lots of places where people use razors. And it's the same. I know that it is the Christ thing. So like people are bleeding and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Or they actually put like a crown of thorns on the head and they actually cut them and bleed. And yeah, which to me is just crazy. Or is it just passion? I don't know. Fun facts. What? Which I was going to mention a bit is that, do you know, the hair of Christ? Has been found.

The statue. No, no, no, no. The Christ statue that goes down in the Cortes procession has long big black hair. It's from like Arabic hair. It's from sex workers. They from Cortes, they donated their hair for Christ for the statue. Yeah. For the the the the what do you call the statue in Cortes? Don't they? Isn't the tradition that they sing to? They stand on the balconies and they sing as the procession. All that comes from Mendeleev. And it's all sex workers that do it.

Like traditionally, like the brothels are all singing to him. The women who sing. That's why they go down Cortes. Yes, exactly. Because Christ was a friend of the sex workers. Yeah. What's the name? Magdalene. Is there excuse? I think they're just being sexist. But she probably spoke to men and that's why she was a fucking bitch. She said, hey, you don't speak to me. Sex worker. Yeah. Anyway, enough disparaging Christians. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You believe in whatever you want. Exactly.

Anyway, these religious traditions, they're just funny. Wow. That's the best. Anyway, yeah, spring breaks coming. Yeah. Which means we're going to see some processions. KKK. Not really. We know it's a religious expression and it's super fun when visitors come, right? Yeah. To be like, check this shit out. Look at our traditions we have in our crazy city. You've got to come visit, guys. You got to see this. Nobody will believe what I'm telling you.

It's okay to get your picture with a group of KKK guys here. I mean, you say they're KKK. Maybe this year we should try to get a picture. We'll put it on the on the Instagram. Not Christian enough, Julie. You're Christian. You at least you're brought up Christian. I'm not Christian. At least you're brought up. You just said. I was brought up Catholic, but I'm not Catholic. But that's Christian. I'm recovering Catholic. I'm not even Christian. Anyway, anyway, we'll see. Okay, so last year.

Yeah. No, there's two. Okay. Well, this one little stories. Yeah. So apparently more and more restaurants and bars are buying their platos, their dishes. Yes, that's a crime. And their pizza. That's a crime. That's a crime. Oh, my gosh. And their plates are their dishes from external kitchens. Yeah. Right. So pre cooked pre cooked meals. Oh, my gosh. Yep. There's a major crime in this country. These are called. Yeah. These are called fifth range foods.

Kinta gamma is what they refer to them as, which is cooked, packaged and ready to be consumed. Yeah. It's like, yeah, heat and you have to heat it up. Yeah. So this is a video that I watched. So I watched the video and then I took notes. Right. So for example, they gave the example of Carrieras, which are beef cheeks. Yes. Right. So to make a good dish of Carrieras, it requires 17 hours in the oven. Ridiculous. Yeah. That's a long time. Right. It's a lot of electricity.

A lot of electricity, a lot of suspense. Yeah. And, you know, who's going to show up 17 hours before lunch. Right. To start a process. That's asking a lot of your employees. You have to watch that. Listen, you're a cook here and you're going to have to start it. Well, I suppose you could start it. OK, at the end of one shift, you could put it in the oven and then go home. But then that's leaving the oven going. Health and safety is a problem. Exactly. You can't leave an oven on all night.

Just on all night. Yeah. There's going to be at least one guy there. Yeah. So, so, yeah, more and more, more and more places around the city are doing this. Yeah. And in the Basque Country in general. Yeah. Yeah. So of course, there's a big backlash because the idea behind the pinchos and dishes that are Basque traditional foods are that these particular bars make a particular dish, like a dish or a version of this dish in their own particular way. Right.

Yeah. So, yeah, like it's always about good quality ingredients, fresh ingredients, kind of standardized, homogenized, boringized. Yeah. So it's kind of a sad because you can't like you lose if you just everybody gets coming so touristy that. So the number one number one kind of red flag for us in the bar was when we started seeing all the tortillas become bought tortillas from a third kitchen. Right. So you'd get all these standard potato tortillas.

I hope everybody well, you don't know what have we tortillas in a Basque country is not a tortilla and in Mexico, Latin America. Yeah. Well, no, Latin America doesn't have to do this. It's only Mexico. Oh, I didn't know that. So a tortilla in well, I mean, I think they might call like omelets, tortillas in Latin America, but it's not the Mexican tortilla or the potato tortilla.

So what we call tortilla here in a Basque country is you fry some potatoes and then you beat some eggs, obviously, salt, etc. pepper, mix them in with the fried already fried potatoes and then fry that mixture. And that's a big thick omelet with potatoes and an egg. Right. That's the basic recipe. That's the tortilla. Yeah. A lot of times it will include onions, but there's a lot of people that don't like the onions.

So there's also a tortilla without the onions and obviously with cheese with ham with everything you want inside. So there's also another thing which is the EU. The law that you are not allowed to have raw egg in any foods. That's like against the EU. But of course, because as you know, like with pinchos, like they sit out on the bar for an extended period of time. Well, but that's not why they prohibited. They prohibited eggs for everything in the whole EU.

Well, because it's problematic because yes, because they don't know. But also if something is sitting out for a long time, you can also get food poisoning from that. Right. Well, but each problem to its own. What I mean is tortilla. The issue is that a good tortilla, a lot of people don't want it fully cooked through. Yes. They want a little bit of egg yolk in the middle. And when you get it from a third kitchen, it's always fully cooked. Of course, because it's a third business.

You know, if there's any problems, that business wouldn't have problems. And they have to use these certain type of eggs like these. Oh, there's all these pasteurized. Yeah, like doesn't even matter. Like when you look, you're going to have a tortilla out on your in display. Then you have to use these particular type of eggs that have been deemed safe. No, I suppose. No, no, it's true. I mean, you know, whatever, it's too much regulation and people know when a tortilla is made by a third party.

Yeah. Because it's just a crappy, just simple, cheap, not well, you know, yes, there's just not the potatoes are not properly fried. They're just under fried. Usually it's just a full block and it's just too much egg white. It's just not a good tortilla. So to start, it started with a tortillas. And then just to see it happen with other pinchos is just really shocking where you suddenly see.

I think one of the ones I noticed first was chip irones, which is calamari squids in its own ink, which is an onion sauce with squid. Tomato. Tomato. Yes, it has tomato. Yes. It's tomato. Not on chocos. Not on chocos version. I guess some people put in chocos. My mother-in-law makes it with tomato sauce. I have to try that. That sounds good. So anyway, so.

So there's lots of this is the point, which is one of those dishes that take long versions of the same recipe, which is the kind of different. Yes, exactly. It is discovering how that bar makes great chip. It is. Right. Like, or that one makes a really good tortilla. Right. Or that one makes. So you go to these particular bars or restaurants because they make these dishes specially or differently than other places. Right. And tortilla is one of these flag. It's like your beer.

Right. It's like I drink beer. I like this beer. I won't go to a bar without that beer. And tortillas are very much like that here. Yeah. It's like this place has that tortilla that I like because of whatever. The pimiento. They make it. The peppers. The cheese. Something they do properly the way you like. And yeah, that's when you start seeing that same tortilla that you recognize. And isn't that interesting? Yeah. Everywhere. It's the kind of one that you get on the on the gas station stop.

It's like so offensive. Yeah. Really? You're going to give me gas station tortilla. That's a crime. Julie, that's can you can you realize how annoyed I am by this? I put the story in our tiki. So it is a crime like it's very big. The you know, everything, everything. We're losing everything, Julie, apart from Basque language. They're taking it there to you now. Everything. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Oh, well. Yeah, they have no charm.

There's no charm anymore to if they're all getting the same food from the same distributor. There's no longer any charm to these restaurants and bars. Right. Yeah. And I have to say, but but in in Denostia, like in San Sebastian, Denostia, they have a guide now that puts out that will tell consumers where they can get pinches that are made in house. So they've had to go that far to like this guide will tell you where you can actually get pinches that are not good.

Good. Yeah. Because but you'd have to know to do that as a tourist. Right. You do. You'd have to know that you like you do. And I was going to actually mention I have to find this guy. That was my my point was that we really like I live here the same amount of time as you pretty much about some months apart in about 18 years. And I forgot what I was going to say about that. But pinches crimes. Oh, yes.

When we arrived here, there was no tourists like I'd go years without listening to English on the street. Yeah. And now it's like a weekly daily thing. There's always tourists everywhere. There's a lot more business for bars and restaurants and hotels. And we have seen and they also have to keep up with this mass production of things, too. So they do. I mean, it's not an excuse to say let's lower the quality of our product because we have more more visitors.

But in the end, that's what has happened. That's why people came in the first place. Right. Was for the food and the yeah. Yeah. And we and it's kind of killing the one thing that we had. We I say we as part of that. But it was the we are we are like we live here and we are part of it. We love bus culture. Yeah. But it and it is killing that part of the attraction. If you make it homogenous and exactly like everywhere else, it's kind of boring. Yeah. So I knew you would appreciate that.

That's so riled up. I still am so annoyed because yeah, it is. The thing is, I I'm kind of lucky. I go anywhere and I've got an eye that I can see if a bar is good or a restaurant is going to be crappy. Usually, like I'm very good to choose good restaurants and bars to go to when like I'm in Thailand or wherever China, Japan, I'll find these cool places with really good food. Yeah. But even when I travel with my dad, he'll be like, let's go here.

And I'm like, no. Is it the place that has like all the pictures of the food outside? It doesn't matter. That's the thing. I don't quite relate because I've got my standards. I just know when something talks to me. But it's just when I'm traveling with other people and I gave them the power to choose where we're going to eat, it never works. It's like, man. And it's it's when I see how hard of time and money. But it's like what you were saying.

It's like when you really see how it just becomes a tourist trap. Right. Especially here where you are. You come here for good food. Yeah. We have a lot of it's all about. It has a reputation. Yeah. So much about food. So many Michelin stars. Yeah. But that's the thing. You know, there's even, you know, Thailand, Vietnam, great food, but there's also crap food in Thailand. Of course, there is crap food everywhere.

Yeah. And you know, it's probably pretty good, but just overpriced and not as good as it can be. Decent and overpriced. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, edible, let's say sometimes just edible. Yeah. For crappy tortilla from third kitchens, as they say. Yeah. No, that's pretty edible. It's over salted. Anyway. OK. So. So just Google good restaurants when you come to the best country, you'll be fine because there's good lists, fantastic Michelin star, all sorts in between. Lots of Michelin stars.

And just even just really nice bar, pincho bars with really affordable pinchos, right? Like it's not expensive to eat really good pincho. So even though this is a tendency, don't think that it's the end of good food here. Yeah, it's not. Not at all. It's just you have to be more careful. There are still places that are against that. Yeah. And would not do that on principle. Of course. Oh, of course. So many. Yeah. So many. Good story. OK, there's just that the one one two emergency phone.

So like in America, it's nine one one. Right in the UK. It's I think it's one to the same as no, it's not. OK, is it nine nine nine? Well, when they were in the EU, they were supposed to choose the same number. I can I can Google that. So there's an emergency number, right? So in America, it's nine one one here. It's one one two. So noted everybody, if anything happens, call one one two. Yeah. And I can't remember what it is in the UK, but it's different. Nine nine nine. Yeah. Boom. I got it.

Nine nine nine. I got it. I never had to call it. But I seem to like one one two. I always try to learn like what the emergency number is when I go somewhere. It's very responsible. So anyway, it's only 40 years. It actually had its birthday. Forty years. The one one two. Yep. Oh, 40 years this month. Yeah. March 29th. Just yesterday or the before. Yeah. Two days ago. Forty years. Forty year anniversary of one one two. Couple years younger than me. Oh, how sad. So there you go.

I just thought that was a fun story to say that the emergency number is 40 years old and it's a very crime themed number. Yes. Well, that's why I chose it. This cheeky said. Yeah. And for all our listeners, I mean, not everyone, I think Europeans know this, but one one two is the same number all throughout Europe for any. Oh, is that the same? OK. Yeah. So and UK is just different because they like to be different.

Well, they were supposed to choose one one two, but apparently they they held it off long enough that along with their currency, along with the exactly. Yeah. So there you go. Cute. Happy birthday. One, one, two. Thanks for all the work you do. Why did you have to call one one two? I just got well, not all the time, but you know, just for friends and stuff like the two weeks ago, my friend got his backpack stolen. OK.

Yeah. And he was having some drinks with a group of friends for couch surfing on Thursday, which I always go to that group. And he left his I felt I feel pretty bad because it was like literally one meter away from me. But if you don't tell me, Douglas, watch that bag. I was just chatting along. I mean, to be honest, he was one point five meters away. So it's not like, you know. Oh, he was there. We're all there. It wasn't like he like went somewhere. No. We were all there the whole time.

Wow. It's not your fault. And yeah, it was just, you know, somebody was alone behind us and we were like, you know, he's just smoking. No, he wasn't. He was in the bag and he took off with it. So I mean, I was surprised. My friends was like, who do I call? I'm like one one two. Come on, guys. Where do you live? Like they were all from here. They weren't like and nobody knew who to call. Well, it was my friend Bigo. I don't know why she wouldn't know it was one one two, but you reach everybody.

But I told her maybe you wouldn't know. But like if you live here, you wouldn't know the emergency. My friend was standing next to her and she's like, what's the number? And I'm like looking at him is like, are you like, are you kidding me? I don't know if it was paying attention, but I was like, it's one one two guys. Like anyway, that's and I'm terrible with my memory. It's three numbers and one repeated. So it's not. So hey, that's a good birthday.

Yeah, helped a lot of people prevent a lot of worse things. So yeah, yeah, it's great. It's firemen, it's police and it's it's an ambulance. Everything you need. Exactly. Any sort of emergency. And here you got a choice of four or five police. So do you say so do you? Yes. So how do you say that? Congratulations, but use it for birthdays and yeah, it's for everything. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations for getting a new job. So the. You got married. So the well, we finished another day.

We finished another episode. Julie. So we have a mini crime time. We do. Oh, we finished the stories. Yes. So done with our cheeky. So let's hear a minute. Sorry, I wanted to cut you off. I was just like wanting to use Soriano. Let's get out of here. No, we're just going to sit here for another hour. It's possible. So many crime time. Let's talk about many crime time today. So you have our mini crime time. So this happened yesterday and it happened on Dos de Mayo where I used to live. OK, OK.

So a beer delivery truck drove into a building on Dos de Mayo. Oh, my gosh. Hitting the gas line. Oh, that connected to the buildings. Right. Yeah. Busted the gas line. Sometimes it's over the front of the. Yeah. All the pipes just goes out there on the outside. Slammed right into that. Uh huh. And so that broke. I'm assuming broke the gas line and everybody in the neighborhood had to evacuate, including our friends, including our producer, Megan. Never heard about it.

Wow. They had to evacuate their houses because it was a serious issue. This is borderline mini. How many is this? This is not many. Well, it was mini because, you know, nobody got hurt. Nothing actually happened. But yeah, it was like a guy had a car accident and it caused a big kerfuffle in the neighborhood. Thankfully nothing exploded or caught in fire. So on our other friends, I don't want to drop names necessarily.

Emily, I mean, it's a name couldn't get into our house because they all live in that area. Right. Yeah. So we had to evacuate their houses, friends around the neighbors. There you go. That's the mini crime of the week. Poor Megan. She had to, she's been sick this week. So she isn't with us today. Megan had to ask. And actually she'd probably be a better person to tell this story. But of course. So shout out to Megan. We miss you again. Yeah. Yeah. We recover fast. We miss you. We need you.

We're having a good time over here. Yeah. I'm saying goodbye before I shoot. Oh my gosh. So there, there you go. That was a good way. Yeah. I liked it. Well, I hope everybody's keeping safe and the crime lists and their respective countries and probably are because really crimes don't happen that often. And yeah, I listened to true crime. Doesn't mean they happen all the time, but we want to hear about them all. Yeah. So we have any, let us know. You guys right in your crimes.

We've got very few times. So did you see, we could have like somebody crashed into a building. That's a mini crime. So tell us anything you have. That's a mini crime and we'll tell it on the air if you want to do a voice message. And we're very discreet. If you don't want to be named, no problem. Absolutely. I will. I will indiscreetly. And we respect your anonymity. I just say that anonymity. That's why I say it. I'm going to, Oh, right. I think I said, yeah, you got it. You got it.

So yeah, we'll respect that. Of course. So I was going to say like, we haven't, can you believe it? We have not gotten so many stories so far and we want more. I know what guys at least so many crime times. We probably just need more listeners. So true. Someday we'll, we'll have, but everybody has one little crime. They can tell everybody does everybody does. And the best connection can be as loose as I was drinking a best beer. It doesn't have to be best. It doesn't even have to be many crimes.

Don't have to be. It's true. It's true. Many crimes. Any crime. Yeah. We just want to hear about it. Let's bring you guys in and thank you for listening all around the world. Right? We've mentioned it sort of, but it's so nice to have people from so many random places. Yeah. Totally. So many from Germany. So surprising. Yeah. And Poland. Yeah. And there's like Asia there. There's one or two in Thailand. There's Vietnam randomly. It's very sweet to, to, I'm sorry.

We're not shouting out all of the countries. We will soon go through Compton. We love Compton especially because we don't know anybody that we know would be there. So we're like, you're our real fans. Thank you guys. We're going to notice you every week. If you say there, we're with you. Yeah. Shout out to everybody and have a great week. Yeah. Do and hope to see you in a couple of weeks.

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