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are you I'm doing great? Are you? No? No, you're not. No, we just talked. No, I'm a half hour late, and she's not doing great. But I have a really interesting true crime story that I never heard before. Yes, I don't know this one. Yeah, because I was talking about it, right, so I might pronounce some things wrong because that's what we do. Yes, we do. And for those that don't know, Tany and I are lawyers and we like true crime exactly and food, yes, and we sometimes combine the two, but not
here. And I like vodka but not right now. Yeah. So this is again a really interesting story. This story takes place in the island of Oahu. It's in Hawaii. Yeah you knew that. Yes, okay. It's the third largest island there and is dubbed the Heart of Hawaii. I've always wanted to go. I had a chance to go, and I don't want to go. Why it was nine hour flight ooh and five hour time difference. Oh, I still would have went lazy, Yeah, I know.
Okay. Anyway, this island is home at to golden beaches. I mean, it's Hawaii, miles of untamed waters and plenty to do and see. The story takes place in nineteen eighty two, and there's this illusion of safety on the island, but this was shattered when nineteen year old Lisa Ao mysteriously disappeared. And this story has continued to haunt Hawaii for almost forty years.
So I'm gonna give you a little background, okay, okay. On July twenty fifth of nineteen sixty two, sixty two, Chester and Patrise Patrise sorry Ao welcome their daughter Lisa into the world. Chester was a mechanic and Patrise was a waitress. They raised Lisa and she had ended up having two other younger siblings in a multi cultural home. Chester was Chinese and her mother,
Lisa's mother, Patrise, was Hawaiian. But this story actually takes place in nineteen eighty two, and this is when Lisa is nineteen years old and she's, you know, transitioning from being a child into adulthood. Except now it's like twenty nine. Yeah, and when you do that, yeah, back then you could say that. But and her life came to a tragic again. In nineteen eighty Lisa graduated from a Catholic school called mary Knolls.
She then, after the summer, spent eight months getting a certificate as a hairdresser for the Trendsetter Beauty College. She ended up getting a job as a hairdresser and she worked at a place called Susan Beer's Salant, and eventually there she met a coworker named Candy Mainz, and she decided, you know what, I want to move out. Oh, move out of mom and Dan's house. Yes, okay, I want to be on my own. So she moves in with Candy Mainz in kaalua oahou. I think that's right.
At the time, she was dating a man named Doug Holmes. Now, Doug was a student. He was twenty three years old and he went to the university why. He was studying to be an engineer. He lived in the dorms there, which ended up being about thirty minutes away from Lisa's apartment. They met at a restaurant when he was a server. Oh, they hit it off. That's cute. It's cute. On January eighteenth, Lisa got her driver's license. She just got it. Just got her driver's license,
and her father helped her buy her first car. It was in nineteen seventy six brown Toyota. I don't know what make it was, but it was a It was a Brown Toyota. So she's got she'd only been working at the salon for five weeks. Just moved in with Candy, just got her license, just got a car, and she is ready to take on the world. Thank you, you're welcome. It's January twenty first and this nineteen eighty two, and it started like any other day for Lisa. She
woke up, got herself ready, drove to the Susan Beer salon. Her shift ended at nine pm, but she had to like clean up the station around her, and so it was roughly about nine forty five pm when she was done cleaning up everything and ready to go outside and leave, ready to
go, but there was torrential rains. So on the part of the island that they're at, it's it's kind of like there's I don't know if it's a mountain or a hill, forgive me, but one side gets like a little bit of like gets blasted, and the other side doesn't get as much rain. So she's on the side that she's getting there getting blasted and it's not like a normal storm. It's bad. She calls her mom and she
says, you know, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna go visit my boyfriend Dog and his sister, Kristen. I'm gonna go to Kristen's house and that is in my Kiki. It's about a thirty minute drive and she's gonna go have dinner with them, and her mom is like he's out in the storm. You just gotta let your license. Yeah, two days ago, Like, no, she's gonna take on the storm. And back then in Hawaii that like the roads are winding and they didn't have a lot of barriers,
so there's a lot of mud slides and rocks falling. Yeah, and it's I mean torrential rain. But Lisa's gotta see, you know, she's determined. I'm gonna see her boyfriend. Right, So her mom says, don't do it, but she went anyway. Before she met her boyfriend dog at his sister's apartment, Kristen's, Lisa stopped to a grocery store and she got a Pokey bar Oh yeah, Pokey bowls mm hmm, yeah, this is a eighty two. Well I only saw my first Pokey bowl like four years
ago. Finally made its way over here, right, and she got it to share with Kristin and Doug. She's at the store. She wrote a check for two dollars and eighty cents for the poke bowl and made her way to Kristen's apartment. She drove down what's called Poll Highway to get there, and it's considered a very dangerous highway because I told you there are rocks falling and mud slides, and they didn't have the rail guards at the time. That would be terris. I don't like driving. I didn't even drive.
I can't even drive in Michigan at night, in my own town without being nervous, let alone that. So she reached Kristen's Christen's apartment and kristin, Doug, and Lisa. They all ate anteladas that Kristen had made. Oh yeah, we've loved food, love food, and the poke bowl that Lisa bought. It was around midnight and Lisa called a roommate, Candy, to let her know she was leaving soon, both her and dog. This is where it gets a little like of her different reports on exactly how it went
done. But both her and dog ended up leaving around the same time. Doug got into his car and we're talking. It's about twelve forty five am, and he's gonna head back to the dorm. But we know that Lisa left first. I don't know if it was thirty seconds earlier, one minute, but I know that she left first. Unfortunately, only one of them would make it, and it would take ten days for the truth to be
discovered what happened to the other one, which is obviously Lisa. The next day, her roommate Candy wakes up and there's no Lisa, and Lisa has called her remember right, yeah, I'm coming home. And they worked together and Lisa didn't show up for work. So by mid afternoon, Candy calls Lisa's mom and dad and tells them I don't know where Lisa is. In they start panicking, of course, right. The first person they call is Doug, and Doug tells them I saw Lisa like twelve forty five am.
She was on her way home. I haven't heard from her. And then like they they're just freaking out because there was that massive storm, right, And Doug offers to go and onto the roads and look for Lisa and her car. Maybe she got in an accident, and I believe her parents were calling the hospitals, but I'm not one hundred percent sure, Doug. They're all thinking she had car problems or an accident, like I said, because of the storm, and she's just such a new driver. So Doug leaves
the University of Hawaii and he starts searching the roads. He knows the path that she's probably gonna take because it's an island, so there's only so many, so many roads roads, and this is so cheap. He knows that she's probably taking the Holly Highway. He's driving and he sees her car on Polly Highway, on the side of the road in mana mana wheela, mana WHEELI mana WHEELI mona WHEELI. It's near the Khalua. So sorry, I know it's not klukay. I studied these I tried these words so hard and
I had it. But it's near driving and he notices it's abandoned. It's on the side of the road and there's this nineteen seventy six Toyota and it's the same car that Lisa had just bought. It's only three miles from her apartment, and it's ten miles from Kristen's apartment where he last saw her. When Doug got to the car, there's no Lisa. But there are some really bizarre things at that in that car, like some clues her lights were still on, her windshield, wipers were still going. Oh, that's kind
of that's weird. That's right, weird. Yeah, Like this has been now twelve hours. The driver's side window was rolled down halfway and the floor of her car because of the rain, had two to three inches of water in it. But it's the driver's side is drenched because that's where the window was down. But what's weird is on top of the driver's side seat was her purse and it was dry. It was dry. It was dry.
There's no water in it. There's two to three inches of water on the floor of her car, her seat is soaked, but her purse is dry. That's right. Her keys and her wallet were still in the car. Obviously, Doug is freaking out and he goes to the nearest phone booth or phone, and he calls the Honolulu Police Department. Within minutes, the area is surrounded by officers and they start taking a deeper look into Lisa's car. This is really interesting. Her car was wiped clean of all forensic evidence.
No fingerprints, not hers, nobody's fingerprints, nothing. Hmmm, it is completely wipe clean. They found they found a couple like partial fingerprints, but not even enough to even be partial. Like this car had been totally totally someone tried to clean it on all of it its evidence. There were no fibers. They couldn't find any fibers at the scene. They couldn't find anything that would lead them, like forensically to who did this or where lisas.
But then it's nineteen eighty two. So what's interesting is two police officers separately had driven by that her abandoned car during the storm, but they never bothered to like check and see if the driver needed help. That look, that's her, that's her, like old lady, not your naughty look. Doug told them everything about what happened the night before and how Lisa had never made
it home. It was at this point that Lisa Ou was officially reported missing, and within hours missing person posters were posted everywhere her family and her friends and the whole community. I believe they put together like one hundred thousand flyers, and I'm not making it up. I read that someplace. I read some place it was one hundred. I read another place there was one hundred thousand, But it was a lot. It's a big difference, right too.
But it was a lot, and they were spread around the island. The analysis of Lisa's car showed all those you know, kind of bizarre clues, and the question becomes why was her window partially down? Right, And why was her purse is dry? Why her keys are still in it? So if her car, like her car physically worked, but so like even if it for some reason stopped, why would she leave her purse behind?
Yeah, that wouldn't make any sound like if you're gonna go out on foot, like stop, you're gonna, well, you're gonna it's a crucial rain, you're gonna sit there and we are not going out in a storm. No, so they found but they so they found that very interesting. And another thing they noticed is that Lisa's driver's license was missing. Oh that's weird too, like why why is her driver's license missing? And her windows rolled
down? Partly yes, it appeared to the investigators that her purse had been put back into the car after the rain had stopped. Oh that would make sense, right, but who? Right? Why? Why? Important question? Why'd they take it to begin with? They didn't take anything from it? Maybe her license right right? The rolldown of the window, you know, makes it appear as if she rolled it down to talk to somebody, right, right? Okay, there were so many questions and no answers.
These investigators they knew they had to act fast. It's it's an you know, it's an island, and people are freaking out. So her missing person posters are posted all over Oahu and the news picks us up. This's a big story. I mean it's it's a very big story. And as I told you, the local community came together. There were hundreds of volunteers that they closed their shops to go look for her and look on all the land around. But days past and days past and days past, and all these
searches with hundreds of people grew fruitless. They there was no Lisa, and obviously it's looking bleaker and bleaker as every day goes by. Yeah, I mean it's you know, her poor parents, they loved her so much, and her siblings, her mother and father. They did an interview with the media and they said, quote, thank you, not enough. Everyone wants to help so much. The support has just been great end quote. And they're bawling during it. They're just well, wouldn't you of course I would
be, And you could just tell they're exhausted, drained. It was just it was horrible. But then on January thirty first, nineteen eighty two, the search for Lisa was called off because her body was found this man was walking his dog on Tannilis Drive and it's it's you'll see a picture. We're
posting a picture. He noticed a foul smell. He traced the smell to an embankment, and he walked about ten feet down the embankment, and about twenty five feet thirty feet from there he saw there was tall grass and there was a nude woman. And it's like a ravine, okay, and there she is. Lisa, faced down, naked, spent ten days in Hawaii
in the grass. She was nude, and witnesses reported that it looked like she'd just been like dumped, okay, over the side of the road, down the ravine, like haphazardly like anything, and then fell because it's it's
an embankment, okay, so she's just like moving. Lisa had been officially missing for ten days and her body was in an advanced state of decomposition due to being out in the elements for so long, and the Honolulu Police Department immediately transferred her case from a missing person from the Missing Person's Unit to the Homicide Division. Lisa's body was found roughly three miles from Kristen's place and ten
miles from her car. And if you're remember, her car was about three miles from her place, yeah, right, right, so it was like in the opposite direct direction, so it was all switched. She wasn't yah found near where her car was. She was found closer to Kristen's place. Her body was taken away by the medical examiner, and of course, you know, it was prepared for an autopsy, and her family's given the news,
and her boyfriend and they're all upset. Of course, she was just nineteen years old, I know, and as you as you heard me, she just started like her path of sighting party, you're like fifty years old and looking for nursing home. Soon, due to the level of decomposition, the Honolulu Medical Examiner was unable to determine the cause of death. Lisa had to be identified through dental records and they found her class ring on her finger.
The medical examiner ruled out suicide, which seems pretty obvious when you're naked in an by in a ravine, right, I mean, come on right. Hysteria basically ripped through the community like wildfire, and there was so much pressure on the Honolulu Police Department to catch whoever did this. One of the key elements in Lisa's case was a missing driver's license, and that's when rumors began swirling that a police officer or someone posing as a police officer had pulled
Lisa over that night. Oh, like maybe she was speeding or something, and then they asked for her. She wasn't doing anything wrong and they just pulled her over because the creek. That's right, right, yes, So that would be make sense why she would lower her window and give somebody a license, right. A witness reported seeing Lisa's car on the side of the road at about one forty five am. That's about an hour after she left
Kristen's apartment and said goodbye to Doug. Well, all these rumors are just rumors, they did end up having some weight to them. The rumors brought something very dark and disturbing to light. In the months before Lisa disappeared and was killed, young women had reported that a man in an unmarked police car posing it as an officer, would pull him over on the highway and this man will try to assault these women before leaving them in the car. Now,
so this is what's interesting. At the time. In Hawaii, a lot of police officers had unmarked cars, so they look like regular cars. They weren't, you know, didn't say Honolulu Police or whatever. And they would put these blue lights and they're grill of a car, and we have a picture of this, and the blue lights would flash to like indicate that you need to pull over, but it's a normal car. Yeah, hmm,
this seems really unsafe. Well they changed that policy. Yeah, but I can't imagine because people can purchase these blue flashing right at the time, could purchase blue flashing lights. So a lot of officers wouldn't use the regular patrol cars. They if they're off duty, they would put them in their own cars and then just I don't know, decide to go ahead and pull somebody over for shifts and giggles. No, I'm just kidding. I don't
know, because they were committing cracks. Yes, of course. Yes, you're always a police officer, of course, just like you're always a lawyer. Hm. Unfortunately, many people believe this is what happened to Lisa. I mean, given the number of reports that occurred about from women saying somebody, you know, somebody posing as a police officer or being a police officer, had tried to moless them, and the fact her window was down and her license was gone. Okay, the police are thinking, hmmm, maybe
maybe it's one of one of us. Their first suspect person of interest, they focused on a man, an officer named Thomas Byrne. Two years prior, in nineteen eighty he'd been charged with he had a fourteen year old in his car and he was doing police ride along, okay, and he sexually molested her carrying the police ride along. He ended up being convicted in nineteen eighty one for something and he got probation and he was suspended for five days, for five days, for five days. Yeah, yeah, that was
a hell of a punishment for fourteen year old girl. Wow. And then he was allowed to go back. I mean, is that fucked up? That's fucked up? Yeah? Oh, extremely, extremely, like we really had to do therapy though, oh okay, had to do therapy. Was on probation. He was questioned first and he admitted that that night he had pulled over a woman on Polly Highway, which is the same highway that Lisa was driving down. And then he said he went to a party and then
he went help. Okay. A woman came forward and said she'd been pulled over by him. And she said she'd been pulled over, and then they showed her a lineup of people that had pulled her over because he wasn't supposed to be working and he's going to like a party. Yeah, Like what are you doing, dude? Like what are you just being weird? Just being weird? And she identified him as the person that pulled her over. And they actually brought in some dogs to sniff for evidence. But these dogs
weren't really trained for exactly what I mean. They weren't looking for cadavers. I don't if maybe the scent of Lisa or something I can't remember, but they did focus on his car, but I don't remember exactly if it was a sense of Lisa, but they didn't maybe if she had been in his car or something like that, but they weren't when I was doing research on that. They weren't really trained for that, So they don't know. If
it's a coincidence, they don't know it, they don't know. It doesn't matter because in the end they decided he didn't have anything to do with it. In January of nineteen eighty two, Bert Corneille was assigned to the criminal investigations. He was assigned to the Criminal Investigations Division of the Honolulu Police Department, and he was assigned to Lisa's case. From the start, he did
not believe the cop theory. He just something it just his gut told him no. And this man ends up being in the case for forty years. Wow. And in the months that follow he he is looking through everything because he believes that the Honolulu Police Department didn't do a really good job. As a matter of fact, he thinks they did a shit job of just being honest. That's you know. He decides to retrace all of Lisa's steps.
Okay, He first visits the Susan Beers salon where Lisa worked, and made his way to the grocery store where she went and got the Pokey bowl. You know what he found out there? What he found out that when Lisa got the poke bowl, she wrote a check, remember I told you, yeah, two dollars and eighty cents, and they asked her for her license and she was in such a hurry she didn't get it back. She didn't
get it back. Oh that's where her license was. Oh no, this just puts a wrench in all the theories right, right, So that months later is where he found Lisa's license. The grocery store still had it. He's like, hmm, I mean, he was just shocked that the police went there, went there, hadn't gone there. Yeah, she was just in a rush. And so now he really believed this is not the police.
Thanks to his diligent work and is his determination, he was able to uncover more clues and talk to more witnesses, all missed by the Honolulu Police Department. And because of this, that's the whole reason that her case probably wasn't solved, because they just did such a crappy job. So Bert is
talking to locals and he's put in touch with Charlotte Kamaka. She delivered newspapers and this is according to the Hawaii News Now well she Charlotte later testified before grand jury about what she saw on Tannalists drive in the hours after Lisa went missing. She said she was on her regular route at about two thirty am. In the police records, she said a man drove past her in a blue car with a female passenger who appeared to be asleep or unconscious. Charlotte
would also tell the grand jury. What alerted me was her head fell when the car made a turn. Her head just fell. Later, she said that she got a look at the driver as he turned and drove out, but it just wasn't enough for her to actually be able to identify who it was, and the female passenger was just gone. So I think when the driver turned she maybe slumped over. Yeah, she just slumped over exactly.
So Charlotte was never able to identify the man, and she would also state to detect a state that detectives did ask her for her number to talk to her about what she saw, but they never followed up with her. They only talked to her one time, and she felt like what she had to say was pretty important. It wasn't until Bert began digging further that he got the full story. So it was Charlotte that actually reached out to the police
and they never really interviewed her. It was only until when Burt saw her name like in the notes, that he got all the sexual information. And this wasn't the only witness account that Bert was able to obtain along with speaking to Charlotte or Charlotte, I don't know, Charlotte. I think the part called her both names, but no, he said Charlotte. Oh. Good Bert also spoke to Thomas Thornberg. He was a security guard at the apartments
where Lisa was last seen alive, and that was Kristen's apartment. Now, according to the security guard, mister Thomas, he heard a couple arguing around eleven pm, and then he saw Lisa leaving the apartment complex in her car,
and then minutes later he saw Doug following after her. Now this account messes with the timeline that Doug gates, right, because Doug stated that the two left at twelve about twelve forty five, And I don't know if Kristen was asleep by then, right, That's why I was like, why don't we ask Kristen. Yeah, I never found anything that talked about Kristen's version of the timeline. So maybe, I mean, yeah, it's it's a weekday and it's late, so I would have been asleep probably probably maybe unless
I was in my twenties. Yeah, that'll probably be away. Yeah, anyway, from the start, Doug was a suspect obviously, right, I mean, serious crimes are committed by someone close to the victim. We all know that. But if Doug was responsible, what would be his motive? Right, I'm not trying to be insensitive, but if you want to kill your girlfriend, why are you going to go out follow her in the torrential rain, have her pulled over inside of the road, or even that's the
day you picked to kill her in the torrential rain. Like, I'm not not trying to be insensitive. I mean they just had dinner and she wasn't pregnant. You know, they don't, They didn't have a history of domestic violence. There was no money, no money. He's just a student and she's a hairdresser, right, so why follower and go through all that? That's a lot of trouble to get her out of the car? Driver like ten miles bring a purse back during a storm? Right, Yeah, that
doesn't make a lot of sense. And usually the heat of passion is during the heat of passion and not so anyway, I'm just saying I don't know, but Doug would later fail to detect test dog, no dog, come on, nervous, Yeah, well I would be nervous. Nervous would be like no, I yes, my name is Selene, would be like fail,
It's not I know I would have been nervous as hell. Doug told investigators that the reason why he failed is because he felt responsible for her murder, because he should have never let somebody that he loved who only had been driving for two days, drive in that storm. Yeah, he can't do that though, I mean, you can't do that, but you would feel guilty. Of course. That's why he's saying. In his mind, he
feels responsible, and that's why he failed the tests. I mean, they pressed him further, and they thought that he was on the brink of confessing because he kept saying, I feel so guilty, I feel so guilty. But he just later on said I shouldn't let her drive home in those conditions. But he did admit to officers that he was trying to end the relationship.
He said, I'm going to college, I'm getting educated, because he was going to be an engineer, while Lisa was more or less staying still with her education, and in his mind, she's just going to be a hairdresser, and that wasn't wasn't good enough, wasn't good enough for him. A few sources also mentioned that when Doug found Lisa's car abandoned, attending officers did not scratch marks on his face. H but nothing ever came of that
without any evidence or confession. Doug was never formally charged in Lisa's case, but many people still believe that he's a prime suspect he did it. But it it's kind of weak. It just I mean, there's no indication, like, Okay, so you break up with her. I mean people break up every day, right, They don't have to kill somebody. They don't have to kill somebody to break up with them. Them on the road, have them pull out, and so let's just let's just talk this out.
Lisa's driving. We all know she left first and then he left. There's pouring rain. What made her pull over to the side of the road. How would she know that it was dog flashing? Right? They didn't have cell phones, so she wouldn't. No, that's true. See my point, Right, Lisa was buried with her family not knowing what happened. But this case is not I mean, they are a heartbroken. A year after Lisa was buried, her remains were exhumed and sent to a corner in Los
Angeles. Wow. It was believed by her family and other people that the Honolulu Medical Examiner had missed vital clues and pieces of evidence in their autopsy, and they hold his second opinion. Her family basically could provide them with more answers. While the exhumation is how you say it, I think so sounds good. M was taking place for colonel He left the Honolulu Police Department and Lisa's family hired him to be a private detective. Oh, he like left
the police left. I'm out of whatever the hell is going on here. The result of the second autopsy came in, but they weren't what people were expecting. According to the Hawaiian us Now, which ran a really long article on Lisa's case, when they exhumed the body, this is so messed up. It was still she'd been buried in a casket, in the body bag
the corner. Yeah, in a body bag. It was a close casket and they just never took her out of the body bag, and she the corner hadn't washed her body and there was they found dirt, twigs and leaves in the body bag. So basically how she got picked up was wow, how she was this is terrible, But she was picked up like basically putting a body bag and buried. I mean you have dirt, twigs and leaves in the body bag. I've never heard of something like this Like that to
me is so disrespectful, Like can you imagine it? And then what kind of job did they do, right, Like did they even pick any of it out to like did they even highly examined her rights? That's what I'm wondering, Like they're just it doesn't sound like it right, right, they got to take her out of the body bag to examiner, I think you were you just put her right back in, so I mean then maybe the I mean maybe I'm sure the examiner. But there's her right back in with
all the I am and irritated right now. This is such a shitty job. I was her parents would be so fucking pissed, right they Yeah, I'd be beside myself. Well, and part of the Honolulu Police Department was upset too. I mean you have to remember this was the medical examiner that did that. Wasn't pleased, and everybody was appalled. They're just furious. I mean, that just shows the incompetence, right. So, the Los Angeles Corner did not make the report public after the second autopsy, but they
did release to the media that due to the advanced state of decomposition. It meant that making an incan collusions were difficult, so they couldn't figure out how she died either. But that does tell you a few things. There's no bullet holes, right, There's no cut yeah from being stabbed, no broken bones from being strangled. Hmm. But I mean that doesn't mean she wasn't. But she could have done, could have been smothered, mothered, or
she could have been strangled. I mean, but she you know, nothing, nothing that broke her bones, nothing, No bullets, no bullet wounds, things like that. But I hate this horrible. The incompetence does not stop there. There's more. Over the years, many people wanted to help the family out, and they wanted to do other autopsies, and they wanted at least access to Lisa's remains to conduct independent exams because technology is advancing.
That's true, right, There's one problem now, I knows where half of her her remains are are all. I write a couple of articles. Some said all of the remains, some said her skull and what yeah, vertebrae, They're just gone. There's pieces missing, missing. I believe it's her whole body. Missing from when they exhumed her. Are you kidding me? No, I'm not fucking kidding you, Ilu. The Honolulu Police Department says that it remains. It's his school and jawbone are with so that's that's what's
missing. But I did read other parts I said more or other articles that said more. They said they're at the Honolulu Medical Examiner's office, while the Medical Examiner's Office is admit that they were put in Lisa's coffin, but there weren't Lisa's coffin, so nobody else. Oh my god, this is terrible. Isn't that horrible? Like I feel so bad for her family, Like it's not she wasn't ideal, right, like like nobody gives a ship trash
or whatever. You just put at someplace whatever, whatever. The chain of costy paperwork and other vital procedures weren't carried out properly. Well, the only way to find her remains was to dig up the grave once again. Yeah, and it wasn't there. Her skull wasn't found there. There's one Well, I'm sorry I shouldn't say that. They didn't end up doing it a second time? My bad, they didn't they didn't. They did not.
There's one less clue in Lisa's case, and it involves an officer who was told to lie before grand jury because they did have a grand jury to try to see if there was enough evidence against that one police officer. I told you so, the happy one. Yes, yeah, yes, Thomas Byrne. Yes, who, by the way, did sue media outlets and stuff for defamation. Oh whoops. But they ended up dropping it. It didn't go anywhere. That's all I know is it didn't go anywhere. My opinion,
Well, yeah, he was charged, convicted. Yes, I'm just saying it's not defamation if it's my opinion. No, it's just her opinion. Allegedly it was allegedly he was creepy, Yes, but he was convicted. And this is in nineteen eighty two. I don't even think that he is. It might not even be alive anymore. According to Hawaiian News Now, on the night Lisa disappeared in nineteen eighty two, officer Michael Rathfeld,
I believe that's how you pronounce it. Raffled was directing traffic in Mana Weeli on a wheelie and the reason why he was directing traffic is because there was a month's light, so he was helping people go by. And he said he didn't see Lisa's car, okay, because that he testified to I'll get to that. So that's that's the according to him, he was asked to lie to the grand jury, telling them that he did in fact see Lisa's
car and then he saw a patrol officers standing at the car. But he never went through his testimony and he was hypnotized, and during hypnosis he did not confirm that he saw Lisa's car with a police officer by it. It's never been revealed exactly who told him to lie or why they wanted to lie. Why would you want to lie and say it was right police officer?
But it does bring like a whole lot of questions. And I read an article he is still alive and he said that if there was any new information that came out, he would be willing to say exactly the same thing that he was told to lie. And I don't know why. We don't know who he was lying for. Yeah, but I think this time he would come out and say it if there is a like if he was sub peanut, right, So why would a Honolulu police officer be told to lie to
your injury. What's the motive? Why point the finger at a patrol officer? I don't know. Doing a cover up, it's a conspiracy. It is something, it's something messed up. So there's so many more, there more questions and answers in this case. And I hate doing these cases where I don't have the answers for you. The investigation was pretty much doomed from the start because of just how slappy. Yeah, I mean, it was just sloppy. Lisa's parents, Chester and Patrise. They ended up getting divorced
in nineteen ninety because the murder of Lisa just for them apart. Oh that's heartbreaking, Yeah, and just never knowing happened to their daughter. It just they could never be the family they once were. And many of the key witnesses have passed away since then, I mean a lot of them. Doug Holmes, he moved to Australia. In twenty eighteen. The Honolulu Police Department created a cold case unit and Lisa's case has been more than ever since.
In a statement by them police chief, her name is Susan, but Ballard stated in twenty nineteen, well cold case detectives are looking for anything that may have been overlooked at the time, or whether new technology can provide information. Relationships shift over the years, and it's not uncommon for people to want to clear their conscience. One individual, yeah, so anyway, that's the end of that quote. The only individual that we know for sure that knows what
happened, she stated, was miss Lisa Au. But there's one other person there is, yeah, the person that did it. Oh yeah, of course, yeah, you're right. There's two people who know. Yeah. So Bert Corneil, the one that was originally worked for the police and then was hired as a private detective. He not lives in Florida, but he continues to investigate Lisa's case and he's like, I'm ready for action if anything comes up. He's older now, obviously, but he's ready to go.
He said. The case has haunted him throughout his entire career and he vows to see it through to the very end. While Lisa's boyfriend Doug has been a potential suspect, there's never been any evidence brought to light to show that he did it, so is it him. He moved to Australia by the
way he lives in Australia. Was it somebody impersonating a police officer. Some people suspect that Lisa was perhaps a victim of the Honolulu strangler, who they know operated from nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty six, but maybe it was a little bit earlier, right right, I mean, that's just when they know that he did. And so I started going down a rabbit hole about
so that might be another story that we going to do soon. Yeah, he strangled women, and the first one they know of is nineteen eighty five, but that doesn't mean that's the first one. First order he committed. Again, experts aren't able even when the technology they have now to because they didn't have give any evidence. They don't have anything. They don't have anything. There was nothing, probably even collected fingerprints, and they don't even have
her skull and job bone. I hate this. I hate unsolved cases. They're just heartbreaking. Lisa's younger sister, she was twelve years younger than Lisa. She was seven at the time, but she loved her big sister. Her name was may Lee. She told the Hawaii News now quote, my parents are gone and they now know what happened now, just the living want to know. A lot of our family and friends close to us still want to know. So anybody that has any information can contact the Honolulu Police Department
and their number is eight eight five two nine three one one one. Even if you think it's insignificant, I mean they're desperate for a break in this case, they need a break. Oh this is just isn't crazy? Yes, you know, statistically when it's raining or there's storms, there's less crimes committed because it sucks outside, right right. We just did a Patreon episode last month about a couple who was murdered during a storm in Florida. Yeah,
yeah, like that's all I remember. It was during a wasn't it wasn't It wasn't a hurricane, but it was it was tropical storm. Yeah, it was a tropical storm in Florida. They were in the keys. So I think somebody would come out. Yeah, so you think like, yeah, you think everybody's going to stay home and stay out of the storm. But oh, I wonder what happened to Lisa. No, I feel like I mean somebody because I don't know why she would pull over otherwise and
roll down or if it was her boyfriend. Wouldn't she rolled down her window all the way or wouldn't you just get out or not get out and have them get in? Have them get in? Yeah? Right? Why would you just roll down your window a little bit for your boyfriend? Right? Or if you're mad, you're like, fuck, you go leave me alone and drive off like you wouldn't even stop, right, I I am? And then there's no signs of a struggle in the car. And why was
her purse dry? Why was her purse somebody came back and put it back when the rain stops. I don't know. They risked bringing her purse back. That doesn't make any sense. Why would they do that? I don't know. I'm I'm my mind is going one hundred miles a minute, and I have maybe it happened, right, I don't know. I don't have the answer. I wish we did. I know, poor Lisa, poor Lisa and her family. I know her parents are respect to them. Yeah, that's just I know. My heart goes out to her whole family.
Having an unsolved murder in your family, someone you know, I can't imagine, and you ever get over it? Right? I mean, no matter what I think, any kind of crime like that. I don't know Doug have scratches on its face, but then I don't know they could have. That's true. I don't know they shaving. I don't know who knows. But anyway, okay, I want to think True Crime Daily for hosting us, and I want to thank all of you guys for watching us. We
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