This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. Listener discretion is advised. Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi Tanya, Hi Talia. Welcome back everybody to this episode of Crimes in Consequences. Thank you so much for listening
to us or watching us on True Crime Daily. We'd like to ask you to hit the subscribe or follow or like button or whatever whatever positive thing you can do. Right, Yep, yep, how are you I'm doing? Okay? You are? I am am I getting you stressed out, getting stressed out, running a little fantastic. I'm always good, that fantastic and always good. Are you ready for some true crime? Yes? Okay. So this case actually it's from Michigan and you've heard about it. It happened
not far from my home, and it's a really tragic case. I'm not going to say the last names of the victim or the perpetrator to respect the family, okay, but it's a very interesting case. And with that, are you ready? Yes? Okay, So let me tell you a little bit about it. It's about March thirteenth of twenty sixteen, and the parents of Stephen, we're gonna call them Stephen Christopher. They walked into the police station to file a missing peron since report. Stephen was nineteen, and it
had been three days since they last saw him. He wasn't answering his cell phone and he'd never been gone that long without talking to them, Susanne and Michael, his parents. They reached out to all his friends and where do you know, what's going on? Have you seen Stephen? And nobody seemed to see him since March tenth. Oh, yes, it's been a few days. It's been three days. Yeah, So the evening of March tenth seemed a very normal evening to Steven's parents. There was nothing unusual. Stephen
was at home, his sister was there. His dad worked the day shift and so he would get home. Well, i'm sorry, it's the afternoon shift. So he didn't get home until like one o'clock at night, and Stephen was there when his dad got home, and they're talking. When Stephen was in bed, he was actually laying on the couch and he was just on his phone, just like a nineteen year old does or a fifty two
year old or scrolling my phone. Suzanne woke up in the morning and it's about six o'clock and when she did, there's no Stephen, according to records, And we got the records for this case. We did a four year request and we got the court transcripts and all the documents for this case. So a lot of what I'm going to tell you is based on actual court
records or testimony or evidence. The testimony evidence exactly. So I know that some people dispute some of the information, but this was all from the court. Okay, that's all. We know what we go backs. We're going with the According to records, the last time Stephen had contact with somebody was at two thirty am on I guess it would be the March the eleventh, and he'd facetimed his friend Andrew. Andrew and him were best friends. And then mom wakes up at six am and he's gone. It appeared as if
he willingly left the house. But he didn't take any clothes with him, he didn't take any belongings, nothing that demonstrated he's going to be gone. He just wasn't there. So he said, there's records at show. At two thirty, he facetimed his friend Andrew. The next day, his phone was pinged in Detroit, and this is about forty minutes from where they lived. They lived in a suburb of Detroit. You know this, Yes,
not in Detroit, right, but his phone pinged in Detroit. And then after that, through the records, we know that it peinged in a place called Strolling Heights, which is where we're located right now. Yes, yeah, I was just gonna say, we're in Sterling Heights, yes, right now. And that was about twenty minutes after that, and then there was just nothing, No, we're pinging nothing. Desperate to find their son because time is going on, Susanne and Michael, they contacted the news and the
newspapers ran the story locally and I saw it. I saw ended up doing posters of him missing, and they were really concerned. Is he doubted or alive? And I'll explain why in a little bit. Then they reached out during the news and they were like, please come home, Stephen. Everybody wants to see you, everybody misses you. Please come home again. They reached out to friends. Nobody knows they did crime Stoppers and offered a reward
for information on his disappearance. The police ended up becoming so concerned that they interviewed his friends and even acquaintances, and nobody had any information as to where he was. And then the trail went cold. This is a nineteen year old. Yeah, maybe he ran away, maybe he committed suicide. That's where some people were thinking. But I'm gonna tell you a little bit about
Steven. In many ways, he was your typical nineteen year old. He was six feet tall, he was thin, he was an attractive young man. He was great at art, and he loved to play the drums. He collected vinyl records, you know people that, oh, my daughter does. And he hung out with his friends, just like a normal nineteen year old. But there are other things that made Stephen different. He was diagnosed at a young age with Asperger's syndrome and bipolar, So he had these mood
swings. And as you know, oftentimes when people have are diagnosed with mental illness, compliance is a problem. Right, you have compliance with they're not taking their medication. Yeah, And so sometimes he wouldn't, and when he didn't, he could allegedly become violent. The police were called to Stephen's family's home sometimes when these episodes happened. Allegedly. For example, in twenty fourteen, the police were dispatched to Stephen's house because he was being very aggressive.
Now again these are from police reports, and some family members and people might dispute the accuracy of the police reports, but they were called because he was refusing to go to school and he'd got in his dad's face and they were hit. Stephen and his dad were wrestling on the floor. His mom explained to the police that he hadn't taken his medicine and that was why he was
acting out. Prior to that, though his mental illness seemed to be somewhat under control, he had been involuntarily committed to a psychiatric ward of a hospital just to get his medicine adjusted. And I don't want to make it look like I am blaming the victim, because I am not. I am just going through some of Stevens past. In twenty fifteen, he was arrested along with a friend named Kyle, for larceny. They had been suspected of breaking into cars, which a lot of kids, a lot of kids do.
That just happened in your neighborhood. Right, Oh yeah, absolutely, in my neighborhood, some kids were caught on camera and broke into my husband's truck. And I mean, not that I'm condoning it, but it happens. It happens. It happens teenagers, you know, I fucked up. Yeah, I get it, I get it. I'm not judging it. I'm not judging. I'm not. But yeah, not that it's right, it's definitely, it's definitely, but it happens, it's definitely wrong. It's definitely
teenage inks. So on another incident, it was July twenty second, and this is twenty fifteen. Stephen is out with his best friend Andrew, and they're sitting in an Andrew's jeep and the lights are off. They're on the side of the road. They were all dressed in black and they had with medical gloves like rubber gloves. Yeah, okay, yeah, and the police were trying to figure out, like what are you doing and they told the police, We're gonna get some ice cream and say or something in the morning.
Yes. I also want to know that his Stephen's best friend Andrew had mental health issues too, which we'll get into. One of them. Was Asperger syndrome, so they both were HM. They both were on the spectrum of eyes and they actually met at a special at a school for children with things with issues in elementary so they'd been friends for ten years and they were
very close. They did end up that day getting arrested for larcenia vehicle and when the police looked into the jeep, they discovered that there was a black knife and there were some skulls. I don't know what they weren't human skulls. I don't they weren't human skulls. I don't know what they were. Police ended up releasing Stephen into the costume of his parents and he was forbidden
from hanging out with Andrew for a little bit. He stayed with his uncle because his mom thought that his uncle might be a positive influence on him. Now this is disputed. This is again only from the court records that while Stephen was staying with his uncle in New Jersey, he ran away and they found some marijuana pipes and eventually, long story short, Stephen comes back. His uncle ended up personally driving him back to Michigan because he couldn't control Steven.
Stephen was not a bad kid, it's just the medicine trying to you know, trying to tweak it, trying to get it the way it's supposed to be. And it's a guessing game when you're dealing with medications sometimes, and I mean I've personally gone through it too, you know what i mean. So, especially with children, how they grow up and go through their teens and all of that. So it's really sad. But in general,
he was a very nice kid. When he got back home, he plays stickers all over his mom's mirror, and he threw some coats out and clothing, and he emptied some of her drawers, and he wrote bitch and weed on his mom's wall and pat on the door. But again, he wasn't taking his medicine. These aren't violent, anisis he? Well, he did punch a hole in the wall. Oh okay, I'm sorry, excuse me,
and knocked over the television. The police ended up arresting him for that, And it's just very sad for me because the mom and the dad, they tried really hard to help him. According to a police report, Susanne told the police that she had enrolled Stephen in in every in every program she could think of I mean, she did everything to help, and I believe she was a nurse. I could be wrong, but I believe she was a nurse. And he was just out of control, and at one point
he said he wanted to fucking die. They take me to the hospital, and he was put in the back of the police car and he was rocking back and forth and shaking, he was screaming, he was hyperventilating. So they ended up calling EMS and he was taken to the hospital, and eventually, of course, they got his medicine tweaked, and there were more incidences of him having outburst when he wasn't on his medicine. And I'm not going to go through all of the things, but there were multiple attempts or threats
of suicide. They found fifteen of his pills missing one time, and he was mumbling incoherently, slurring his words on the floor. The MS had to come. He was very agitated and he had to be held down and then he was taken to the hospital. Well, with this background, I mean, I understand now the extreme concern his parents felt when he's missing. When he's missing, absolutely so now Steven's an adult, his parents end up getting
awarded guardianship over him. You know how that works. Adult guardianship, adult guardianship, and that gave him more control over Stephen and more avenues that they could see, you know, use to help him. And guardianships are for medical decisions. Yeah. So now we're back to March tenth is less time he's seen. By March thirteenth, his family is just beyond consolable. They know something, something bad has happened. They go to crime stoppers. I
told you, they went to the news. They registered Stephen on the name US okay, right, National Registry of I don't know Missing Persons. I don't know. I name it. It's a great place to go if you have someone you love that's missing. And he was put there. There was a reward. They had a go fundme page. They did everything, and they put out thousands of missing Persons posters. I saw them in stores, grocery stores, everywhere. And that's why this this case really touched me.
They did everything they could do, but I said it grew cold, and it wasn't until thirteen months after he was gone that they got their first The police got their first tip thirteen months. Thirteen months, agonizing, agonizing, everybody who knew him and loved him, because I can't even imagine as a parent. You remember me talking about Oh, yes, yeah, I remember this case. Yeah. It was a tip from an eighteen year old girl named Ceci. She was a young woman and she'd been talking to get to
follow me. There's Cec. She's talking to her friend, a VET, and an a VET confided in her that she knew Stephen was dead. Oh boy, and where he was and how he got there. Let me tell you a little bit about a vet. At the time of Stephen's disappearance, she was seventeen years old. She was a tenth grader. She did online high school classes, and she lived with her boyfriend at her parents' house. Her boyfriend was Andrew, Stephen's best friend. She met Stephen maybe ten times
through her boyfriend Andrew. So Cec goes to the police and I'll tell you what Cec I mean says she has some more details, but it was actually Cec talked to a VET and then Cec told her dad, and her dad made her go with him to the police. And this is a very disturbing. Yay, let me give you some background more on a vet. She'd been dating Andrew for two years. He seemed very jealous of Stephen, and on multiple occasions he would accuse a Vet of sleeping with Stephen, which was
completely unfounded. I mean not even mildly accurate. Andrew became very jealous. One time, he even drove to a Vett's house. Wait, scratch that, he drove to Steven's parents' house and he made a Vet go up to the door and ask some of Stephen's family members if they recognognized a vet. Are you kidding? He wanted to see if a vet had been there.
It's like if there's a secretly something, secretly something going on. Yeah, like she's going to Stephen's house and hanging out and and I don't know exactly how the family reacted, but I know the answer was no, we don't know who a Vet is. So on the night of March tenth, that's the last time Stephen seen Andrew and Vett. Andrew and Novette got into a fight over two things. One was about whether a Vet sleeping with Stephen again, this is an argument, And the other was about her going on this
vacation to Florida to visit a friend because he's getting controlling right. That stated she went to bed about nine o'clock. She seems awfully early for a teenager. And when she went to bed, Andrew was laying beside her. She woke up at three am and there's no way Andrew, It's like hmm. She went back to sleep. When she woke up in the morning, Andrew was back at the house. She asked him where were you? Where were
you at at three in the morning? Like, this is weird, right, and he told her that he picked up Stephen and they hung out of the gas station and then he dropped Stephen off back at Stephen's house and then he came home. And then that next day event that went to Florida. When she was when she got back that she learned that Stephen was missing. It was there was a conversation maybe a week or two after that got back. Andrew asked that how would you feel if Stephen was dead? What the
fuck? I know? That's what is that supposed to do? What the does that mean? Right? Great? Yeah, yeah, I'd be so happy. No, why what kind of answer is? She's like, what are you asking me this for? Why? Why would you ask me that? He told Andrew told her that he was a tech guy for the mafia. That Andrew was the tech guy from the for the mafia. He worked for the mafia mafia. He helped them with computers, surveillance, technical things,
and you guys do that funny face. And he's nineteen, okay, And that Stephen saw things on the computer that he shouldn't have seen, and Andrew was ordered to kill him by the mafia. Okay, of that, I mean, she's late. Are you for real? Are you for real?
Come on? Come on. He told her that on March tenth, Stephen face timed him, which we know is true, and that the last time was three seventeen am, when Stephen asked him to come pick him up at around three point thirty so they could check out a place called Nancy's Grave. Let me tell you a little bit about Nancy's Grave. You have to understand this area. It's rural, you know, yep, I've lived there. And Nancy's Grave is this area in the woods that's considered haunted. There's
not actually a grave there, it's just called Nancy's Grave. And so you have Andrew telling a vet that they went to Nancy's Great Yeah, and so it's out in the country and then you have to go through the woods to this area. And teens went their urban legend whatever Nancy's great it's not that far from Andrew's home. It's maybe five miles because he lived out in the country. When they went there, that's when Andrew found this opportunity to kill
his best friend. Apparently, Andrew parked his car and it's suggested to Stephen leave your vape and yourself phone in the car, and Stephen did. Steven didn't know that Andrew had a twenty two caliber gun with a Russian revolver and a whole oyster Ulster Holster holster. And they began walking through this wooded field. They're looking for Nancy's great There is no Nancy's great ry, but they're looking. It's about they're about two hundred yards in or so, and it's
about a ten minute walk because it's dark. We're talking the middle of the night. You're walking through the woods. I mean, it's just about ten minutes and they're walking and then Andrew ends up stating that he shot Stephen once in the stomach and twice in the back. That's his best friend, I know, for no reason, like no reason no reason. They don't understand he's jealous. Yeah, a vet didn't believe him because number one, the
mafia story is it's stupid. It's stupid, it's ridiculous. And then she didn't think Andrew was capable of killing anybody and their best friend, right like, this is your best friend, this is your best friend. Andrew told a that I can prove to you this is true. So it's may It's less than two months after Stephen disappeared, and Andrew drove yvet to the location out in the country, and according to a vet, Andrew had his brother's gun in his hand and he forced her to walk with him into the woods.
She said it took about ten to fifteen minutes and then laying on his back was the decomposing body of Stephen. And she described it as a grizzly site. This is going to be graphic. His jaw was missing and his skin had turned black. They looked at the body for a little while and then they left the woods. But that wasn't the last time they went and saw Steven's body. In fact, what happens only gets worse, only gets more and more. It's it's horrible, it's it's it's it's her parents.
It's shitty. About a month after the first time of that one out there, they went back to the woods where Steven's body laid, only this time they brought with them a duffel bag and an axe. But it's one of the acts that have like what is it a pick axe? Like there's a okay, like a sharp end. Get the pick at the one end. Why would you bring that? Well, seriously that I'll tell you why, Okay, Larry, I mean, it's not funny, but I'm gonna tell
you why. He wanted. Andrew wanted to be able to move Stephen's body, but he knew it was still too heavy, so it was easier to do it if the body was in pieces, so dismembered him with a pick axe. Well, he wanted to cut it in two. So it's an axe. Yeah, there's one end. That's the axe. But first he took Stevens watch off his wrist and he kept it for himself, like a souvenir, right, a souvenir. Andrew gave the acts to a vet and
he tells her to swing at Steven's helvic region she misses. I'm sure she's all shades fucked off right right? What the hell? I mean, what's going through your mind? Standing there? I would just be I need their place, I needed what I needed to pay out of here, and I've never seen my boyfriend again exactly. So she misses, and it takes her a couple of times. She misses. Andrew takes the axe from her and he swings it about ten times. Now the body is in two pieces.
He grabs Steven's out loop out loop, and a that grabs Stephen's pant leg and they place his the lower half of his body in the Duffel bag. Okay, that says. She remembers seeing Stephen's skull in the Duffel bag, but she doesn't remember seeing Andrew chop it off. Okay, but he did, Okay. Andrew also threw in a few loose bones because time had gone by, into the bag, and he did break down for a minute.
He was telling a that this is my best friend. I can't do this, I can't do this, and to a Vet he seemed generally sad. But it didn't stand. He still did it. He still did it. They ended up carrying the Duffel bag and placed it into Andrew's trunk. And now remember this is about a ten minute walk. The whole process, according
to a VET, took about forty five minutes. Okay. And then the couple take this stuffle bag with the body out of Andrew's car and they ended up putting it into the trunk of a vet's car because a VET did didn't have a license or a license plate, so they weren't able to drive her car. They had wait, hold on, sorry, because if I didn't have a license or license, but they weren't able to drive a car, let's scratch that. Okay, the we're gonna go back to the whole process
took about forty five minutes. They put the devil bag into the trunk of a car, and they end up realizing, Okay, this is a really bad idea to keep a body in the trunk of a car. You think, you think, and it's been but it ends up being in the trunk for a couple of days. What, Yeah, a couple of days. They don't do They don't know what to do. They don't know what to do. Oh my god, why they put him in the bag in the first place. I mean maybe they were afraid. I think I had here.
You thought I had enough to bring a bag put him in, right, But Jesus, oh my god. They went back to Andrew's house and there when a that was there. There was Stephen's vape and also the watch he had taken a month early, and an alarm would go off once a day. And Andrew had said it for the time that Stephen died. Oh geez, are you kidding me? The couple went back to the scene for the third time, but this time a vet says she stayed in the car.
And Andrew went to the rest of the body, because I didn't take all the bodies. Remember, God, they didn't take Oh my god, they remember part of him. Yes, because it's a double bay. It was a month or two when a vet's trunk, because they put an event a vet's trunk. She was when they got it back home. Yes, she wasn't. Yeah, she wasn't driving. Her car didn't have a license plate. So they noticed the smell. And Andrew and a Vet weren't getting along. Oh no, he kicked her out of the house. That's but
if that wasn't gonna leave with his body in her trunk? Uh uh? So that and Andrew decided it was time to bury part of Stephen's lower Torso they went to home depot. They bought a bucket and they bought some quick drives. Meant that is, I guess cementing. Yeah, you make it and yeah. During the day, while Andrew's parents were working, Andrew decided
to bury parts of Stephen's body and his parents' backyard. Oh my god, this house is out in the country, so there's not any close neighbors by, and it has a very long front yard with a kind of a long driveway, and so it's a brick house. It's actually four acres of land, so they have four they have four acres of land. And I know because everything else I live while I live right down the road. Don't forget
that. Andrew Grahams shovels and together with a vet, they lowered They took Stephen's lower body and they put it into a children's wagon like the little the little the writer. The writer, Yes, like the little red wagon. And a vet was crying as they're digging this hole. She says that Andrew made her do it. And I mean, I'm going to give her the doubt because I really don't see why she would want to be any of that. Yeah, she's, yeah, she's she's kind of stuck. Now.
They opened up the Duffel bag and rolled out part of Stephen into the hole, and then they poured cement on it and they covered it with dirt. Stephen's skull. They filled it with cements. Oh why? And then they buried it in a different area of the property along the fence line. This is so horrible. It's I feel bad for Stephen's family, and I feel bad for Andrews. I mean, what the what the hell? I know, like Andrews started a fire and they ended up throwing the duffel bag and
some of the gloves they used into this fire. And it wasn't long after that that the couple broke up. Wasn't good for their relationship, A murder probably would? Do we have a little bit of a strain on someone's relationship, good lord? Yeah, And if you can do that to your best friend, I know, what could you do to me? Exactly? So they broke up. She didn't go to the police because she was afraid of Andrew and he'd taken her ID and he threatened to frame her for the murder.
I mean, I sort of can't blame her. I mean, what is she like, seventeen eighteen years old? Yeah, plus part of her started to believe he might actually be part of the mafia. At first it seems stupid, but then I guess it's things happen. You start and you hear it enough you start to believe. It was only when she ended up telling CC that his body, Stephen's body was found. That had been interviewed before, because remember I told you the police interviewed acquaintances friends. And Andrew
had been interviewed many times. That's his best friend. So of course they're gonna they're gonna interview Andrew. But nothing, you know, nothing led them to actually believe that Andrew would do it. After they broke up, Andrew would send a vet threats reminding her about the mafia. She ended up blocking him on her social media, which is a big deal when you're blacked, when you're ghosted. That made him very unhappy. So now she's went forward.
She's told cec Cecy's told her dad. His dad, her dad brought him her to the police. We're at April twenty seventh of twenty sixteen, so it's been it's been thirty. It's been like thirteen months. Yeah, that is when the police first arrested him. He'd spoken with them before, said I know nothing about it. But they ended up issuing the warrant for his arrest and they picked him up by at four am. And at that point he was at a rehab center because Andrew was having psychiatric problems too.
It's really important to understand Andrew's background to really get an idea of how he got to the point we're at. Andrew parched. Andrew was put into foster care at the age of twenty two months. Twenty two months months, okay. It was a result of abuse and neglected by his biological mother. His mother already had an older son that had been taken away and adopted through the
foster care system. The state reached out to Andrew's biological brother, and because he'd been adopted, they reached out to his adoptive parents and they agreed to take Andrew too. So now you have these two brothers that are being raised by the same adoptive parents. And his mother was a special education teacher assistant, so she was perfect for him because, as you know, he had, he had a lot of issues. I mean, he was abused,
neglected, and has Aspergers. He attended regular elementary school, but then he took classes at the learning centers called and that's where he met Steven. So they put them in regular school, but they also sent them away a couple hours a day to this learning center, and that's when they met. Andrew was a lot like Stephen, as they said. They both had Aspergers. Andrew had fetal alcohol syndrome, and he'd been h He'd been institutionalized seven or
eight times for psychiatric reasons. Throughout his childhood and teens. He attended therapy sessions, I mean his just like Steven's parents. They did everything they could to try to get give their kids the best life they could give with the issues that were going on with them. Every opportunity to help these boys was given. They end up the So Steven gets arrested. I'm sorry, Andrew gets arrested. They do a search warrant and that's when they find Steven's watch.
It was on this at that point. It was on the center council of Andrew's car. Why, I don't know why why were reminded of I don't know, I don't know. You got no Nope, I have nothing about that one. That's a weird. Why would you want to be reminded of what you did? That's what i'm That's what I mean, Like like serial killers and stuff. Okay, fine, they get off on it or whatever whatever with the with their souvenirs and stuff. But I'm I don't think
that's the case here. I don't like, maybe maybe he wanted to remind himself because he he did, you have what he did, like like I'm such a bad person kind of like you know how sometimes you do that to yourself, like you torture yourself over the bad things you've done. I mean, this is really bad. But I mean, like maybe I don't know. That's that's my armchair psychology. I don't know. That's the only thing I don't think of. I don't know. Uh. So police and uh
finding the gun that was used to kill Stephen in Andrew's brother's room. He had put it there, not not Andrew's brother, Andrew. I'd put it there, right, I got it. They searched the property and he ends up showing them where the different body parts are. They found Stephen's lowered torso with his legs on the border of the family's for acre property. They had to break through that thin layer of cement. He had his jeans on and there was a key chain with a key on it in his pocket and his
wallet was there. They found Stephen's skull behind the garage. It's not an attached garage like a carriage house, old barn or something. It was in case in cement and buried along with some of the other bones. It was in case and cemented, buried along with some other bones that were connected to this skull, so the spinal yeah, and some ribs. There were some ribs. To this day, it hasn't been explained how his head was completely separated from his body, because he didn't explain it and a vet set.
She didn't see him actually do that. His upper torso, including his vertebrae, and some of his ribs and arms were found at Nancy's grave, so they had whenever he never moved, no, so that was one of the things is they had left. His body was scattered in different spots. It
is anyway of that said, she doesn't really know how. Her mind can't remember every detail, but she did point out when she was with the police that there was an axe hanging in that bulbarn, and that was the one that they had used to you, Yeah, and then the little red rider wagon. So this is what an autopsy determined. It's different than what Andrew had said to a vet. Stephen was shot in the face at close range, through the eye, yeah, and then the back of the head.
Both wounds would have caused instant death. Death. Both they never I'm sorry, I make mistakes. Sometimes they could never determine if he was actually shot in the stomach because of decomposite decomposition, thank you. And as I said, warrant was in Andrew's rust. He picked him up. In the rehab, he ended up confessing to the crime, and we have some of that confess that we can play for you guys. It's very sad. It's over an hour long, so there's no way to play at all. But his
confession is different than what a vet had said. He said that Stephen face timed him to get some weed, that's why he picked him up, and that he went to the woods to sell some weed. That he was afraid of Stephen because of his mood swings. Okay, there was a scuffle and so he shot him in the stomach, and then he did the last two shots to make sure his best friend was dead. Police believe there was a scuffle, but they believe it was Stephen realizing that Andrew was pulling out a
gun, and he tried to protect himself. I mean it was dark. I don't know everything. But after the murder, Andrew did drive around for a while, which is why Stephen's phone, if you remember, was pained in Detroit, and then it was pained in Sterling Heights. Eventually he ended up throwing it in the dumps in a dumpster. In his confession, he makes no mention of wanting to visit Nancy's grave, only that they were gonna sell Pat. Like, why are you selling Pat to your best friend at
three in the morning at Nancy's grave. Yeah, here's a little snippet of his confession. So I try, I thought I thought it was I can't leave him here, but I don't know what else I can't move? Why about myself? And so me and her woman and we cut from the lace, trust me, that o her. She she swung at it with the hats she got at And yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't do it. Ill, why would she do it because I couldn't do it? What was
hers when she she's wanted to help? Are you going? So? Yeah, that's the such flies living in the trump in the worst of my house. And then we moved them over to her trump and that's where they saved. Tont myself lived in that yard. It was so you heard of the time? Okay, did you just throw the trust? You put the lads in the in the b and then we're kind of back hockey okay. And then he said at one point he had her her for a while and then
he said the mast where she said down in your house? What what do you? What are you were initially there? Let's beat a little bit now, But where you went to get the lower strmies like that? What is that happened? What took those guys all went into the woods? Okay? How did you? How did you? How did you do it? He said? He went back by off the black and then what happened from there? She said, saying okay, and it completely s his his legs or
so she had how many? How many fists that she's wanted a couple in both of his lace No, so his baselines were shipped. Okay, and then completely separated is over from the summer. And then then where he said, we have shipping back? How that go out? Where did you use for cover? Expensive the bag? I asked, I used to ask to put it around his belt and lifted up the top cheer around the head and
the flags and put it in the back. You be sure you can't have nothing to do with the child because I can't release sho I straw it up or shot up to be read at it and did not. Okay, So so sifted up and google carried it back the baggers chick hands like, there's a long shot. I have the one set shot. And then where where did you place to the trunk of your of your future? So then you got to also how did you got to have transfer this into her car?
Why did why did you do that? Most your license? Your car was just staying there. And he's like, okay, so we see here in here since it's not anywhere and I have my car every yet, okay, all right? And did you did you have plays on very at your house during time? What were your thoughts? We're gonna do what you said the boy to strutting your house, and what was your thought bosses were over there. Did you get the intention of bringing his body back to your house and
you have something that could Yeah, I didn't want to. Just why did you deserve the chop? Why? Why didn't you decide this a whole lot? I figured you can't move all bout okay. A trial was held eventually, and a that testified against Andrew. Andrew's defense tried to claim diminished capacity, but in Michigan it's not allowed as a defense. They were still trying to argue that, and they were trying to argue self defense because he's claiming
that he was afraid of Stephen, even though Stephen wasn't armed. I was gonna say, and if you have a self defense, if that's your defense, you have to be threatened with some yeah, saying that when your life is yeah, life's danger and Stephen's unarmed, and I mean Andrew has the gun, so really that self defense doesn't hold water with me. Well,
in the end, he was not found guilty of premeditative murder. He was found guilty of second degree murder, and he was sentenced two a minimum of fifty two years in prison, which so you know, so you know, was beyond the sentencing guidelines. Oh it was it was wow. The judge whom we know stated, quote, you destroyed not only Stephen's life, his family and friends. You destroyed your family's life as well as your own.
And the judge said, for thirteen months you let everyone wallow in fear and in distress, and that there was hope that he might be Well, that's the worst part of it. Even after they found Stephen, you still showed no remorse for killing your friend. And didn't he post like on social media and stuff like ye, I miss you so much, Oh where is my friend? Right? We helped distribute posters for his friend. At sentencing Andrew spoke. He was crying and he said, I have nightmares. I take
responsibilities Stephen was. I miss him so much. I'm just so sorry, such a waste, such a senseless crime. Yeah, it's just so sad. Well, that ended up doing well for herself, and she went to college and I believe she got probation or something like that, and she ended up recovering from this and making something of her life. Last I knew when I looked her up. But the pain that the family, both families feel is so strong still in this local area, and it's just so shocking that
it still affects me right now. This is a terrible story. I do remember when it happened as well, but just for thirteen months, they didn't know where I was at. And the whole time his best friend, I know, knew his body was out there. I mean, like I said, maybe he his parents, maybe he just wanted to be reminded of what he did. I don't know, but I know there. I mean I
feel bad for everyone. Yeah, this is this is just so like I said, it's just senseless and it makes it's not that you know, crimes, A lot of crimes have a reason why people do crazy stuff, right, I mean, this was this is just nothing like just because I don't know, like how terrible and the betrayal Stephen had to have felt the last minute of his life, right, it's terrible anyway. Anyway, Well, thanks to Lea. You're welcome for that one, and thank you everyone for
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