This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. Listener discretion is advised. Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi, everybody, welcome back to Crimes in Consequences. I'm Talia and this is my lovely co host, Tanya.
Hi, Tanya, we have a great episode today. I don't know if you guys have ever heard of Have you ever heard of Joseph pl Zinski? No? I have not. Well, it's this is a little different than what we normally do. We're gonna go through his life and see how he became, who he became, and how he ended up how he ended up. But before we do that, if you guys want to hit the like or subscribe button and maybe leave a knife's comment instead of nasty ones, that'd
be great. And with that, I'm gonna put on my glasses. We're gonna get started. Okay, So let me tell you about Joseph. He goes by joby okay, and he was born August fifth, nineteen sixty six, in Baltimore, Maryland. As a child his mom was really loving. It was pretty much a normal upbringing. He had a stepdad who loved him. Even when his mom and a stepdad got divorced, his stepdad still remained in his life. His real father abandoned him when he was ten, so
that would be like one of you know, the issues he had. But he wasn't abused or anything like that. And he had some siblings, so he didn't have a whole lot of childhood trauma. Maybe some sense of abandonment. But there was an incident that occurred when he was fourteen, and I'm gonna that's what I'm gonna do, is I'm gonna describe how he was in his life and he's I'm gonna let you know there's a lot of domestic violence
involved, and he's in a real asshole. He's a real asshole. So he's fourteen, he h he got he was in a bus accident, and with this accident, he had a very severe head injury and ever since then, that's when his behavior changed. We've had it in a couple of our cases. Yeah, yeah, like the killer will like get a head injury when they're young. Yeah, somebody needs to really get in an in depth study, Well they have frontal lobe damage. Yeah. So after that is
when the violence really started. His tendencies, I mean pretty much right after that. For example, he got really upset with his mom and he was like a tornado in the kitchen. He was yelling, he was screaming, he was throwing things. It was so bad that his mom had to call emergency, that she'd call an ambulance and they had to restrain him and he had to be taken to the hospital. So he's fourteen when this happens. By the time he was fifteen, he'd already been arrested several times for minor
offenses shoplifting. But his violent tendencies they continued to increase, and they were definitely more focused on girls women who focus his violence on. Yes, women, okay, he would eventually use that head injury to justify his violent outbursts. And then when he was seventeen, his one of his siblings, his sister, died in a car accident. Oh, and so that really messed him up even more. The doctors he was going to see doctors, they
were giving him medications and stuff, but they couldn't get him right. They diagnosed him with bipolar. They gave him lithium to help, you know, treat his bipolar, but it didn't change anything with him. But for some reason he was lucky with the ladies. Girls liked him. He drove a Mustang that helped probably, yeah, yeah, And he was a relatively good looking guy. I mean, it's not my type, but he's a relatively good looking guy. His real act of violence started about the age of seventeen,
maybe eighteen. He ended up attacking and assaulting seven women in thirteen years. And we're going to go over it, and some of them were just new teens. So I'm going to start with a first. Jobe. You know, he goes by Jobe met Amy Gearhart. She was fifteen and they were both at the It was the Perry Hall High School. He was a
junior and I believe she was a sophomore. And he was able to convince her parents because he was very charming that even though she was fifteen, please let me pick her up in my mustang and take her out boy on a date. And eventually they were together for about five months. He took her to your prom and they have this picture and they look cute as buttons, but it was really far. By that point their relationship, he had shown
signs of being abusive. So during this five month courtship, Amy noticed another side to her boyfriend. And remember she's only fifteen. For example, Jobe kept gun stashed under his bed and in his car a red flag. All right, what what do you do? What do you need that? And he once held her at knife point. They put he put a knife to
her throat. He told her he had two personalities, Jobe number one, and that was a calm and rational Joby, and Jobe number two and that was an angry and strange job She ever wanted to meet Jobe number two, but nothing could prepare Amy for the job she encountered on July twenty fourth, nineteen eighty seven. Here's what happened. She's hanging out with a group of kids. They're in a parking lot near a beach in Ocean City, and
they're eating ice cream. She was spending the week in a condo with a friend and her friend's family, and Amy didn't expect to see Joby there. He wasn't supposed to be there, but he showed up when she was feeding a bite of ice cream to another guy. Oh no, she sees Jobe coming towards her, and he's pissed. Without explanation, he just knocked her to the ground. Friends tried to intervene, but he was just beating her right there in public, just beating her. Wow. Eventually the police were
called. And when the police came, he squeezed Amy's hand and he whispered, don't tell them anything. Amy's stunned. She's just been beaten in public, and she just like didn't say anything. Jobe calmly talked to the officers. He said he was looking for his watch and a ring and he lost it in the parking lot and whatever he said, the police left. He walked Amy towards the ocean, and he ordered her friend's fourteen year old brother,
his name was Jason, to join them under threat. He said he needed a witness basically, and you're coming with me to witness me walking with Amy. Okay on the beach, Jobe forced these two teenagers to hold hands and walk in front of them like prisoners, as he would kick and hit them to keep moving, like, keep going, keep going for fourteen and fifteen years old, what is this? They walked to what's called the Delaware
Line. And that was about a half a mile. And the whole time, Jobe is screaming and blaming Amy for making him lose his ring, which he I guess lost when he was beating her. Beating her Okay, yes, it's her fault. And he interrogated Jason, the fourteen year old, and Amy about where the boys were sleeping and where the girls were sleeping in the condominium even though Amy's with her friend's family. Yeah, and who Amy
had been with in that past week. He finally eventually forced the two to sit on their hands, cross legged on the sand with their backs to a chain link fund. So there's this chain length fence and while he's their backs are to this chain linked fence, and you know they're sitting there, he's pacing back and forth and he's threatening, I'm gonna break your legs. He ordered Jason to hit Amy, and Jason's like, no, I'm not gonna hit Amy. Then Jobe grabbed Jason's hand and he forced Jason to hit her
in the chest. So he's doing it right three times. At one point, Amy urged Jason, and Jason is much more scrawny. He was like a small fourteen year old just run, just run, run, and he ended up getting up and running. So while she's left alone with Job, Jobe's tells her, listen, you're gonna die, so you can choose how you die. Do you want to drowned? Do you want to choke? Or do you want me to beat you to death? Oh? My god? And then, by the way, I'm going to kill your family.
Amy's pleading her life, sobbing, and he's beating her, pounding on her chest over and over again and laughing. But then she sees this group of men fishing at the water's edge, and she's thinking, this is my chance, right, this is my chance to escape, and she breaks free. She runs up to them. She grabs a flashlight and she shines it. They had a flashlight. She shines it on her face to show how battered
she was because he had been beating her. It was a calm, reasonable Job who caught up with her, and he assured, reassured the fisherman. He said, you know, let's go talk under the street light and let's work things out. There's no reason for you to interfere. And Amy's in a daze, and it's like, probably stunned, right, she probably a shock, and she went along with it. And he ends up talking to Jamie or I'm sorry to Amy in this light by a parking lot, and
he could see like the extent of his handiwork. It's her face was just battered and he began crying, Oh really, I'm so sorry. Please forgive me. I'll never do it again. Leader. Her family took her to a doctor. She and there was X rays and there were photographs and it showed that she had contusions to her left ear drum, right her left ear drum and she couldn't hear out of it for months. Oh my god. Yeah. There were cuts in her cheeks and her nose, and her right
eye was hemorrhaging, so it was it was red. Her rib cages were blue bruised. But she told her mom, I don't want to press charges. Well, she was probably terrified of him, but her mom's like, no, we're pressing charges. Amy's mom later recalled receiving a phone call from Jobe's mother. She's like, please drop the charges against my son. But Amy's mom is, no, I'm not dropping the charge charges, and she told her Jobe is abusive and at some point he's gonna end up killing somebody.
I mean, r like he's doing this. So at seventeen, yeah, yeah, so they break up. Thank god that fall Amy was shocked when she saw Job with a sixteen year old girl named Kimberly, and Kimberly ended up reaching out to Amy for advice because she knew Amy was Jovie's ex. Jobe had given Kimberly a black eye, and Kimberly was just trying to figure out, how did you get away from him? I can't seem to get away from him. Amy told her that you got to get a restraining
order and you have to press charges, because that's what she did. Because Kimberly and Job's next victim. Then her name is Sharon, she's seventeen. They declined to be interviewed, so I don't know their last names, but they had experiences with Job that they ended up reporting to the police. And there was a document about what happened to Kimberly. It was filed by Kimberly's
mother, and this was October eighth in nineteen eighty seven. It says Joseph Plzinski searched through Kim's bedroom without permission when she was in the shower while searching, he found birth control pills and that made him really angry because he didn't want her taking them, Like it's any of his business why she's taking them, number one, or that she's taking them at all. Yeah, well, he's just it's just about control, right, It's just one percent about
control. So he starts slapping kim several times in the face with an open hand. He's doing like a front hand, backhand, and then he punches her and he gives her a black eye, and she had bruises on her right and left cheet bones, and he punched her in the stomach, which knocked her to her knees, and he just threatened her stating that if she did do if she didn't do what he said, that would happen again.
And then also on the report, it says Joseph pulled Kimberly into the bathroom at his house and at that point he was living with his grandmother, and he told her he wanted to have sex with her. She refused, and he became really angry and very forceful, only punched her with a closed fists multiple times in her breastbone. And then he went into a closet and he got a razor blade. He then proceeded to threaten him, saying, quote, if you don't come here and talk to me, I'll beat you some
more, whether my grandma's here or not. Oh. He just doesn't care. He doesn't, he doesn't care. And you know, he wasn't raised in a family of violence. That's that's the biggest thing. He ended up being convicted for beating Kim, and he got sentenced to two years of supervised probation. In January of nineteen eighty nine, he was still facing charges that Amy Gearhart's family had filed, and he pled not guilty by reason of insanity.
Stop it, Stop it, but he was found competent. They found that he was confident, and he got sentenced to four years in prison in Haggerst and Hagerstown. Is it in Florida, California? I don't know. Oh okay, I don't know. Okay, okay, okay. He served two and he that included some attempted escape. So that's what ended up why
he ended up serving too. And he had regular counseling there and the counselor described him as having deliberately sought out d your situations consistent with a fantasy identity as a Rambo like hero. What what he thinks? He's this big bad ass but he's beating but he's yeah, girls, you're not a badass if you're beating girls. No, you're a piece of shit, right right,
piece of shit? Oh? Absolutely, absolutely Okay. So now when he's twenty two, he's released from jail, and this is nineteen ninety one. He returned home to live with his mother and his stepfather, and he worked part time at an athletic supply store. He also took lifeguard courses. He's gonna save someone's life, isn't that ironic? Yes? That locked up. Yes, he's gonna save someone's life. That's a hero. He's like the Rambo. Yeah, jump in, and he's gonna save hav a little headband
done like Rambo and saved some lives. Excuse me while I roll my eyes. Go ahead, Yeah okay, and he occasionally did some construction work. According to mental health reports, life at home was strained for him. They didn't approve of him being twenty two dating high school students, and he would sometimes sneak them in the house. Yeah, because he can control them easier, right, Yeah, younger. They are also called rape. Yeah, statutory rape. That's the problem. Yeah, that's a huge problem. He
was sneaking them in the house. Yes, high school girls. He's twenty two. It's like, come on, grow up. So anyway, he in August, hold on, let me find where I'm at. But August he'd moved into an apartment with two roommates. He was dating a seventeen year old named Sharon. And in September, and this is less than six months from his release from jail, he he was warned by the assistant principal at Sharon's school, yes, do not come to the school. And eventually he
was arrested for attacking Sharon at the school. Big surprise at the school. At the school, he just really doesn't care. So in one of the court documents, and this is dated November eight, nineteen ninety one, it's quote it says, quote, we were arguing in front of her school. I proceeded into the school. You're twenty two. Oh sorry it was her. She proceeded into the school. He came running after me. He pushed me up against the wall. I pleaded them not hit me. But the
next thing I knew, I was on the ground. I'm screaming. He also threatened my parents he was going to kill them and leave me living so I could suffer. He said, if he goes to jail, he will kill me or get someone to hurt me. He's gotten people to come to my house before. This is not the time he's hurt me. But before he only pushed me and pulled my hair. Escally, deskally. So he gets out on bail. He was already to have no contact with Sharon,
but he he didn't give a fuck. Calling her up, he says, hey, I'm gonna blow your brains out if she didn't drop the charges against him. He also, somehow, while on bail, managed to purchase an Inland M one thirty caliber rifle from a pawn shop. Oh great, yes,
I mean I don't I don't think that's a good idea. But well no, he thought it was just he was telling this friend his name was George, you know, I got this gun, and George thought, oh, he's just he's just talking big, and that he had said he was gonna go use it to shoot up people at Sharon's. He told his friend there, yeah, and his friend's like, oh, you're big talk. Oh well, you know nobody thinks that anyone's for real when they say stuff
like Okay, well you say that to me. Well, I mean, nowadays, I would say if anybody said, oh, I'm going to go shoot up a school, yeah, I got it gone, and I'm just going to start killing people. Oh, you big talker, stop it. No, i'd be concerned. People are a little more innocent back in the nineties. Slightly, but that's true. But I mean it's still something very disturbing. Ye here, yeah, yeah, right, don't ever say that shit. No, I won't be ill carry about it. Don't worry.
I won't be saying shit. Okay. So Sharon ends up filing additional charges for these phone calls, and he gets arrested, and he's held at the Baltimore County Detention Center, and the when he was there, the stuff was like, you know what, he might need a psychiatric evaluation. So he got some one place and they sent him to Spring Grove State Hospital. He
was diagnosed with bipolar mood disorder and possible depression. But on December sixteenth of nineteen ninety one, two days after he arrived at the facility, he escaped Gray. They must have fabulous security there he escaped. He escaped, yes, and he fled with two identification cards someone there. So he's a fugitive for a month, and he surfaced in Gooding, Idaho, when a woman filed a complaint against him for assaulting her fifteen year old daughter and threatening to
kill the girl's brother. There's a police report and a newspaper article that gave the following accounts of what happened while in Gooding. Police were investigating this mother's accusations, and it was Maryland, not Florida. Maryland State Police alerted their counterparts in Idaho that Jobe was believed be fighting out and Gooding. I don't know what his tie was to Gooding, but they said the man's unstable and
possibly armed, this time with a nine millimeter handgun and a shotgun. On the morning of January seventeenth, he barricaded himself alone in an apartment and told police negotiators that he would kill himself and shoot people in a nearby parking lot if the police moved. Okay, so he's completely lost it. He's very It was sixteen hours that he did this and a swat team hit the apartment with tear gas and he was eventually taken out and brought back to Maryland.
Let's put in jail. He gets, he's in jail, and then a year he left jail. And when this was I'm sorry, this was less than a year of him like doing all of this. He now faced charges for federal gun laws and battering and threatening Sharon, and for escaping. Yeah, I was gonna say what about escaping. Any conviction would have put him
back in prison unless he was deemed incompetent insane, Yeah, incompetent. So he had another mental health evaluation taking place, like it took place, and this one was federally done, and the psychologists, and while he was being evaluated, he told the psychologists anyways, say this with a straight face, that he purchased the gun from a pawnshop to kill the ninjas. Stop it, stop it. You know. He just said that. At first, appear like he's insane. Ninjas were trying to kill him. Stop it,
stap it, joby. And then he ended up cutting his wrists twice, once deeply in off that required stitches, and he told the psychologist that it was the voices in his head. Bullshit. Yeah, he's playing he's totally yeah, because he knows he's going back to prison. Yeah, he's playing the system, he later boasted, Yeah, I was just playing the system.
Federal psychologists diagnosed him with schizophrenia because they because they believe, yeah, paranoid type personality disorder, and but that he met the criteria of legal insanity. He did, Yes, he did. So he's found out guilty and the weapon charges. I'm pissed right now. I guess he was good. Yeah, and what he did, he played it up, plaid it up. He won fifty months later after court ordered treatment. Mm hmm, he's all cured now. Yeah. He They made him on medication, sure they
they, I'm sure they did. He had a complete recovery. That's it matters. But like if you're taking medication and you don't have that mental disorder, like if you're not schizophrenic and you're done schizophrenic medication, is they going to do something? Got it? Okay? Okay, just fit me a second, All right, I'm jump I'm just I'm thinking, I'm thinking out
loud here. According to he had he had more. You know, he's seeing a psychologist, psychiatrist, and he's twenty five now, and he was extremely stable, extremely stable, and that's why they said he was cured. No bizarre no evidence of bizarre behavior or vitalizations, which might be indicative of delusional thinking. Okay, yeah, because he doesn't have it in the beginning, he's cleared his head to start with. They didn't know they hadn't take
it as medication for more than a year. Oh that's what happens. Yeah, I mean, aren't they supposed to be watching you take it on your Oh I don't know, Like, oh, okay, so he wasn't taking it. That makes that makes sin taking it, thank you. So he ends up being able to go home, and he was free to choose his next victim. It's the summer of nineteen ninety five and forty two year old Gary Osborne is getting really concerned about who his daughter, teen daughter Michelle,
is dating. He didn't trust this guy. Jobe was a nice looking man and he had a fancy sports car. I don't know how he's getting all his money, by the way, Like, who's being for this fancy sports car? I didn't have a fancy You had a Mustang, didn't you. Yeah, but I was like thirty, Oh okay, because my car was like no, I had piece of shit. Ye had a piece of shit. Mine was a Toyota Corolla and it was like he had twelve hundred dollars. My first car was a dad Shadow. Do you remember? Of course
I did, of course I do. So. Jobe was polite and he seemed very devoted to Michelle. She's seventeen years old and she had a daughter already, and he was really good. He was really good to the daughter. But he didn't have a job. And Gary was like, hmm, why don't you have a job, right, And he had said that he was I believe twenty two, and Gary just thought, you know what, you look older than twenty two. And then he noticed that Jobe was becoming
more controlling. Gary found him hiding in the bushes outside of the Osborne's house. Okay, that would be the end. Yeah, yeah, right, what are we doing in my bushes? You're what pulling weeds? What are we doing here? Buddy? Now? Like, why are you in my bushes? And he would peer through the windows when she was when she was talking on the phone, and just like, okay, this is not okay.
And then one day Gary saw bruises on his daughter and that was it, Like he's done and he questioned Michelle about it, and they argued. It turned out that Joby at this point was twenty seven and as far as the bruises, Michelle told her father that she'd gotten them from falling off a ladder. Oh girl, don't. Yeah, her mom had scared. Her mom had a cleaning business, and I guess she would be on a ladder. And she said, oh it happened. But he wasn't stupid. Gary
wasn't stupid. No, the kid's in the bushes. He's not a kid. He's sat twenty seventy's in the bushes looking through their windows. Now, now, now what's up? Dead knows what's up. But before I tell you more, we're gonna take a quick break. One day in July, when Gary, Gary ended up ordering Jobe get out of my house, like get out, and Gary's slender. He was small. It's a hundred twenty
five pounds, Like I'm bigger than Gary. Yeah. But a fight ensued and it ended up that Gary went to the hospital with four broken ribs and a split lip that he had to have stitches or he didn't press charges because he didn't want any more trouble. But then he would change his mind later because Jobe ended up beating up Michella on Christmas night, she still saw she'd spent the holiday with Jobi, visiting his family as well as hers, and
I'm sure her parents were not aware. Like he's beating up dad. Dad's going to the hospital. I mean, I'm just guessing. At the end of the day, tired, she just wanted to go to her parents' house instead of going back to Jobe's apartment. And this made job mad. Everything makes it, yeah, everything makes it Yeah. He's an asshole. Everything makes it mad, and things got out of hand. He ended up choking
her. He slammed her head against some shower towel tiles. He scratched his She scratched at his face, and it ended up like she's staining the blood stained the white sweatshirt she had given him, and Yob yelled that she had ten minutes to remove the blood from his sweatshirt or he would give her the beating of her life. And she's desperate, she's freaking out, so she soaked it in cold water with some ice and she's rubbing the stains, but
it wasn't enough. She couldn't get it out, so he just he just beat her, beat her, Yeah, and then he ordered her to go into the kitchen and to pick up a knife. Then he put a cloth over his own hand. He took it, and he took the knife from her, and he said, I could kill you right now. My fingerprints wouldn't be on it, only yours. So that's why he had her grab the knife. All I have to do is tell the police you try to kill me with this knife, and then I killed you in self defense.
Yeah, I'm sure that would fly with his history of domestic vi but yeah, okay, she's not thinking that at that much, right, Yeah, I'm sure she's scared. She just scared. He just beat Yeah, he just beat her horribly. He eventually fall asleep because he's tired. Yeah, you know. She laid beside him and she's shivering. She's certain if she moves the wrong way, he's just gonna kill her. But I mean,
she's thinking, how can I get away from him? The next morning, when he woke up, he was more calm, he'd calmed down, he had a good night's rest, and she begged, basically, Michelle begged to have him take her to work. She told him over and over again, I love you so much. I would never leave you. I'd never go to the cops. And then she reminded him that, you know, you don't have a job. I do, so, yeah, so I need to go to work so we can have some money. So he drove her
to the video store because she worked there too. You know, she helped her mom out, but she worked at the video store. And then you watched her from his car for a while. But eventually he left and Michella took a cab and she went to her parents. When Gary Osborne saw his daughter, yeah, he went to the police. But Jobe's mom had called him later, please, she's she's enabling him. I don't know. She's like, he's on probation, he'll go back to jail. And Gary was
like, no, I'm calling the police now. Jobe gets arrested. He's a waiting trial in the He's in the Baltimore County Detention Center. And Joby made a plan. He was determined to change Gary's mind, and he had friends that would help Joe. Just you know, job rarely, if ever, dated just one girl, and he always had girls teens around him. If one girlfriend filed assault charges against him, two or three other women would always go to the police and say, you know, she's a liar,
she's making it all up. We know we where his friends, we've seen them together. It's the fall of nineteen ninety five when things with Michelle restrained. Joby stuck up this friendship with a teenager from Pasadena Mark Passid, Yeah, Passatina. Her name was Lisa Anderson. She's seventeen. She's a junior at Chesapeake Senior High School. He told her he was twenty two. Man, he's working that twenty two never gonna get I always said I was twenty
one plus nine plus ten plus whatever. Suddenly though, so this Lisa is liking him, thinking he's great, and he's all of a sudden put in Baltimore County Detention Center. He says he was taking there in false charges because Michelle and Michelle Osbourne had been cheating on him. He explained, and he found out and all he did was pusher, that's all. And Lisa believed him, and she was really devoted to helping keep his spirits up. And
he would call her collect from jail every day morning midday afternoon. She started skipping school so she could spend more time talking to him. I bet that phone bill, oh man. She felt that they were partners in this. Then she dropped out of school and she moved in with a woman or a friend of Jobey's name Ramona Contrino, and Contrino was driving his that's a three hundred z X. That a Mustang, Mazda, Mazda, that's a Mazda
while he was in jail. And that's when Joby began his campaign to intimidate the Osbourne's into dropping Michelle's charges. He accused his former girlfriend of theft, he identifying her as an adult on his charges right scratch that. Sorry, you're gonna have to added that he accused her of faft, but that failed, and then he filed charges against Gary Osbourne. Oh remember I told you they got to that fight. He's filing assault charges. He said that Gary
threatened to kill my family and blow my house up in my cars. Gary responded by filing filing charges against Jobe for the same incident. And the very next morning, Gary woke up and his pickup truck had been vandalized. All four tires were flat, there were deep scratches in the paint, and someone poured ten pounds of sugar and his guesting, but they didn't drop their charges,
so Jobey up the annie. He asked Lisa Anderson to accuse Gary Osborne of threatening to blow up her house and kill her if she testified on Jobe's by app. That's when Lisa was like, you know this is I don't know, but he yelled at her through the phone, Lise, you're gonna do it, and you're gonna do it now. You have my car and you're riding around in it. You do it now or I'm gonna kill you. Oh, you have fifteen minutes to go down there, pick up the
papers, file a report, and call me. She faked filing the report, faked official signatures, and she wrote down what she had told what he had told her, and mailed it off. But there's a long story short. Jobea is like, you lie to me. You're a liar. This is a game. You think this is game. I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna kill your family. He's on that again. Yeah, So she ended up filing charges against him, which can't She's only seventeen anyway. She
wrote quote Sunday, March thirty first, nineteen ninety six. At twelve pm, I received my first phone call from defendant Gary Osbourne. He said, Hey, when I say file charges, I mean she filed charges against Gary. Oh she did. Yeah, hey, little bitch, go ahead and testify for Joe. And I replied, who is this and he responded, this is Gary Osborne. If I'm gonna threaten someone, then tell you who it is. Yeah, Michelle's fucking father. Yeah. Oh he said that,
mm hmm. Then she said later that afternoon she got another phone call and he said, go ahead and mess with my family, bitch. I'll fucking kill you and blow up your fucking house. So go ahead, bitch, and then it's all over for you. Probably what Joby said to her. So guess who got arrested, Gary, Gary for charging for charges of making bomb threats and obscene comment over the phone. He was handcuffed, he was yes and driven to the police station, where he stayed until his wife
could post bail. MO ridiculous, I know what the fuck is this shit? So messed up? Now? He three more times that month he was arrested on similar charges is filed by Ramona Contrino's sister Carla, and he got taken away in handcuffs three times, three times, and they had raised money for his bail. Gary actually had something he put when he was in jail on him that said, please keep me away from Joby Helazinski. He's a prisoner here, really and you would tell all the guards that. Wow.
Michelle pleaded, Dad, let's strap these charges. But Gary's like, no, no, no, nope, we're going for it. Eventually, the false charges against Gary were dismissed. The ones from Carla Katrino. She admitted she lied, yeah, and also implicated Lisa Anderson for lying. Gary ended up suing them. Oh good, Yeah, but his biggest worry was Jobe. Yeah, he would be free. Job pled guilty to the charges of battery he did and witness intimidation, but he got a suspended sentence. He
did. Unbelieved he did. He was put on probation in order to stay away from Michelle Osborne and her family. Oh that'll stop him. Gary ended up cutting down all the bushes in front of his house. Yeah, how how does it get away with this? With all of the stuff he's done, Like I just unbelievable. So now we're in the summer of nineteen ninety six and there is a sixteen year old. Her name is Stacy Kulaa. She's pumping gas at this store. She's got a white three hundred ZX sports
car. Oh, she's probably get at the store. And then this white Mazda three hundred x X sports car pulls up and she notices this good looking guy. Yeah, who's thirty five. At this point, I know he's not easy. I know he's not that old. But Stacy's like, I like your wheels. And he introduced himself and said he had a set of rooms and tires he was trying to sell. So Stacy went to Jobe's house, like, look in the exchange phone numbers. Of course. Man.
Next thing, you know, they're dating and she's telling, Stacy is telling. He's telling Stacy everything she want to hear, making her feel more grown up than she is. On her seventeenth birthday, they've only been dating two weeks. He showered her with expensive gifts and she ended up hiding them from her parents because she knew. I'm like, where is he getting his money? I don't know, I know, outside jobs. I guess construction. She was enamored. But he's twenty seven, and you know he's on a
suspended sentence for battering Michelle. Yeah, or a real charmer who just lived a few blocks down. He told Stacy was twenty, and he'd done some bad stuff in his background. Yeah, but badass. She figured people changed. Oh, sure, it didn't matter because if you love if you love him enough, right, she's in. She's going to be the one to change him. Yes. Her parents weren't as convinced. They're like, there's no way he's twenty, with all the crows feet, with all the wrinkles,
and it did not sit well with them. And then they discovered that he'd been in the county jail. And she just said, oh, it's a jealous ex girlfriend. And her parents were like no, no, So now she has to sneak out behind their backs. And Joe he helped her. He'd pick her up in different cars her her parents wouldn't suspect, like, they knew what his car was, so it's a different car. She
he persuaded her friends to lie about where Stacy was. One night, Stacey told Jobe that her dad had found out some bad things about it, and that he knew about the charges and there was assault and battery and even a kidnapping and he actually thought it was kind of funny because if she knew all the things he'd done, He's like in his mind, he's like, that's all you know, that's nothing. Jobe tells Stacy to start recording her parents'
conversations. He needed to find out how much they knew what they were planning on doing to stop them from being together. He said, I'm going to find out your dad's sources so he ain't pull nothing on me. He's gonna make me moved of phase three. He don't want me to do that. I'll know everything about him. I'll know where his mind's at. I'll start putting him under vealance. What you don't think that? And she doesn't think this is weird, Come on, girl, I don't know. I mean,
it was possessive and she was under his at this point. He would pull her out of school, and he had all these rules and told her there would be severe consequences if she didn't follow the I mean, he pulled cigarettes out of her mouth, he grabbed her by the neck, he slammed her against a wall. And she's just seventeen. Yeah, she's just the kid. And now she's going to record her parents. At one point, Stacy said she didn't want to see him anymore, and he tried to run
her and her friend off the road. His moods were shifting always, he was unpredictable. It was his anger. For example, five minutes after slamming her against a window, he would say, do you want me to make you a dinner? He prepared one time after smashing her head again, so fucking wall. He made steak, mashed potatoes, corn on the cob, and he lit some candles. How romantic. But that's that cycle. Yeah, that's that cycle of abuse. Right, He's sorry he didn't you know.
Now he's making it up to her. Yeah, yeah, I mean she was under his thun thumb and his again. His parents had forbid her from seeing them in they felt he was an abuser. So in August Vince Kalotta told Joby, you need to stay away, like permanently, stay away from my daughter. And in September he filed PPO. In November, the Clutters got lucky. He went to jail. He ended up being convicted for
like probation violation and all these things, it doesn't matter. From jail, he told his mother to hand deliver a letter to Stacy where she worked, and his mother stood in the isle of Safeway while the teenager read it, and then her mom took it back. She'd promise her son Stacy's parents wouldn't get their hands on that letter. He promised he'd never let her go. In the letter and better what, they would always be together, and he
knew Stacy would wait for him after he finished his jail. Sons they were going to move to Florida and they were gonna get married, and she felt hopeful she did. He considered her a joke, to be honest. He'd written other women saying she's just a joke and he's just giving her what she wants to hear anyway, master manipulator, he wrote in a letter of this is so gross. If you tell a girl what she wants to hear, he wrote, you could fuck all of them, and that's what I was
doing for the past ten years. Oh, it's not just what you tell them about how you are and where you tell them. The only higher part is remembering the lies. I'm sure you get the point. I edited up all the girls I fucked, and I fucked one hundred and forty two girls and thirty eight of them were virgins. Eh. Wow, he actually wrote that to Stacy. He wrote it to Stacy. He did when she didn't want anything to do with him. Strange cars began racing past Stacy's house.
There was a guy in a green Mitsubishi, one of the cars Joe he had borrowed to remember I told you to fool her parents. Yes, and it was waiting for her at the parking lot one night after work and often would follow her home. She found messages on her windshield. They were cryptic. She received phone calls and they would hang up, and then shortly after, one of Jobe's friends took her out to dinner. I don't know why she's still hanging out with one of her friends, but her pager began receiving
code of messages. Watch your backbitch, I'm coming back for you. And Diana. Her mom ended up writing the Victim Notification Services Division. You know how they have victim advocates. How does he get away with this? He's
leaving notes you know, I'm afraid of sassed. Yeah, and Stacy's mom started collecting driver like license plate numbers and any information so she could figure out who, like, what was going on and then eventually, Jobe was released from prison on June twentieth, nineteen ninety eight, and Stacy was just one of his many girlfriends. He had a new sports car how I know how, I don't know, Amasa RX seven. And he was romancing a woman
he met in the checkout line at Super Fresh, Tracy Whitehead. And she was legal, Oh she was. She's twenty years old. Oh my god, she's an old woman. She's an old woman compared to who he is. Yes to date, So he's dating Stacy, and that would be the catalyst to where we get to the real true crime where people are murdered. Tracy and Jobie were in a relationship for eighteen months, and it's just like
all the other ones he had. At first, he sweeps her off her feet, they're madly in love, and then he just treats her like shit, like shit. He was violent, he was jealous, he's abusive, all of that, controlling, controlling, probably isolating her too. Probably she stood by him, you know, And I mean she felt like her life was better when she started dating him. After all, she'd stopped missing.
I don't know, she was drug free, and I guess she used to be on drugs, and I guess she was clean and I don't know, man. But then the abuse got worse and she broke up with him. In March of two thousand. She felt he was finally going to be held accountable for his actions because she went to the police and she told the police all these assaults he'd done to her. But guess what. He got arrested and he got released the very next day. I'm bond. Yeah. Great.
He givins a neighbor to buy him a shotgun, oh no, and a rifle the next day after he got out of jail. After he got out of jail, Tracy is staying with neighbors. Their names were George and Gloria Schenk, and they wanted to just shelter. They wanted to help her, They wanted to shelter her from him. It was March seventh, two thousand. Zobe showed up at the Shank home. He's just he's begging Tracy, please talk to me, Please talk to me, but she refused.
Two hours later, he showed up to their home again. He forced himself inside and demanded Tracy leave with him, and then he shot and killed Gloria and George shank. Oh no, in front of her, I'm sure. And all they were trying to do was protect her. She killed them. Another neighbor hears this commotion. His name was David Myers, and he runs to try to go to the scene, and Joby sh and Jobe shoots him too. Then he took Tracy and he kidnapped her, and he threatened to
kill her the whole time while she was in his car. Oh and I'm sure she thought, well, she was as good as Dad. I mean, I mean he just killed George and Gloria. He drove her to the woods, and then he put a ring on her finger, admitting are you ready for this? Admitting it's bad timing? But would she marry him? Are you kidding? Kidding? He's crazy? I know this is bad time. I know this is really bad timing. It's probably a little awkward. Yeah, you know, I mean, I get it. But would you
like to be with me the rest of my life? Yeah? Fuck no, it's it's just it's it's unbelievable. Unbelievable is a very good word to describe it. It's fucked up. Yeah. Then he raped her m because she was saying, no, oh man, you know, I'm a little young, I'm gone through some stuff. Yeah, no, thank you, no, thank you. So they roamed around the woods for two days and and then later he stopped at a motel and Joby realized that his face was
all over the news for triple homicide, triple homicide. So they laughed and they were in the parking lot and a police car just happened to drive by and Tracy. They're getting to leave, and Tracy takes off, running full force, screaming for help. She ended up getting away safely for the time being. And Joby he'd taken off and he's now on the run, and there's this man hunt. After Joby takes off, he does a carjacking and he killed a thirty six year old pregnant mother. Oh, her name was
Jennifer MacDonald. She was shot. And then he threatened a man named William Terrell at gunpoint, and he had Terrell drive him to Baltimore. He eventually let him go after Terrell went to a sporting goods store and bought him some camping equipment. He let him go. So he's on the run. There's this man hunt for him. I mean, he just like I like,
I'm skipping over Jennifer MacDonald. Yeah, but she was pregnant, she had kids, and he just because he wanted her car, and it's just really it's just really upsetting to me. Yeah, there's just lots of things about the story that are very upsetting and not a you know, domestic violence.
It's very upsetting to me. But so now we're at Friday, It's March seventeenth, and he's surprised investigators when he penetrated a barrier and fled to nearby Dundalt, to the home of Tracy Whitehead's mother Lynn, Oh my god, and her She lived with her boyfriend Andrew McCord and their twelve year old son, Bradley McCord. He held them for ninety seven hours hostage in their home. Ninety seven hours. Yeah, the police are out there, there's negotiators,
they're trying to get them to come out. At ninety seven hours, he keeps that family in terror. Terror once a twelve year old, right, it just ignored everything. The occasionally he would fire shots at the police or neighboring apartments. So there's this big standoff. No one was permitted to leave the neighborhood, right, right, can't go to work. No,
because there's a hostage situation. Oh my god, can you believe can you imagine calling into her there's a house situation in my neighborhood and I can't leave. Ninety seven hours, no one was permitted to go. They called it the kill zone. Oh. All residents were asked to stay at They tried to get some of them go to a local elementary school safely as a shelter. But you know what's interesting, some people were like, fuck this, I gotta go to work. I don't know why, but they left the
perimeter. Wow, they risked it. Yeah, they're probably like, I'm getting out of here. Yeah, I mean I stay. I mean I ud be if I was on the outside of the I don't know. I'd be like, man, I'm out. I mean, I understand why the police want you to stay, right, I get it right, But then stay in. I don't know. I don't know what I would do. I don't know. I don't know either. I'd probably stay in my house. Yeah, you've always stay in your house. You don't leave your house
very often anyway, No, I try not to. So he had a demand. Joey had a demand. He wanted to speak with Tracy. Of course he did. Police denied it. No, no, no. Afterwards they justified it by stating that that was his only request and had they granted it, he might have killed. You know, like, just because because this is what he wants doesn't mean will necessarily get what we want, right,
which is the release of the hostages. Tracy was kept at an undisclosed location, and it was revealed after the standoff that she was in a holiday and under police guard. On the evening of Tuesday, March twenty fourth, Tracy's mom and her boyfriend decided, okay, they were going to take matters into their own hands. They laced a glass of iced tea was annex Oh and yeah, they put job to sleep, did they really? And they were able to escape through a rear window. Wow, yes, be like,
okay, we got to do something. Would you like some iced tea? Yeah? I just made for here's the glass, oh man. And they went through the rear window. Those minutes they were waiting for him to fall asleep, though, were probably the longest minutes of their lives. They left Bradley, who's twelve, because he was sleeping on the kitchen floor. Oh yes, and they expected as soon as they got out that the police would rush him. So the police didn't. I mean they rushed in.
I got scared there for a second album. But they didn't. Yeah, they didn't. I think they didn't want to wake him up because it might wake up Jobe. I don't I don't know, I don't know. So the police Russian. According to the officers, Jobe had been lying on top of his weapons and he started charging it. He'd been lying there and he grabbed him and charged at them. This led to the officers firing numerous rounds. Oh, and Joeby was killed. That's a shame. Yeah, he'd
been shot twenty seven times. Oh my god, twenty seven times. Oh, they weren't letting up. And on top two showed there was only xanax in a system, no other drugs, and it was determined that the shootings were justified. Yeah, well he was armed, and I think that's about where we're unding this man. It goes on and on and on, but that's where we're gonna und it. Yeah, that's where we're gonna un this staff man. Sometimes twenty seven times, Oh my god. There are so
many people in this story that need therapy, therapy, big time. How awful, how awful, but how amazing they laced that with ice. He was xanax. Yeah. I wonder how many they put in there? A lot would I would have put in was left in the bottle hopefully it was a full bottle, right, but it wasn't enough where he I mean he ended up waking up and charging at the police. Well so that's the end of Well thanks to La. Yeah, that was a crazy story, these
four women. Man, he was an awful, awful person. They got away with it for so long. But that's you know, he's getting vulnerable. He's intentionally picking vulnerable people. Yeah, right, but then the justice systems letting him. I mean, I don't know. I just think what happened to Gary Osborne? Right? Poor Gary? He was like, what the fuck were calling me? What I did? I'm going to kill you. I'm a bomb at your house? Yeah, poor Gary? Man,
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