This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. Listener discretion is advised. Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi Tanya, Hi Talia. Welcome by everybody to Crimes and Consequences. We're so excited to have you here with us.
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fine, but you will. You're gonna love us. You're gonna love us because we are the best show out there. So can you quit talking? Oh? Yeah, I'm sorry, let's hear some true crime. I'm gonna not stop talking because it's my episode. Let's do it. Have you ever heard of Arthur Shawcross. Yes, okay, Well, I'm gonna tell you all about him today. I don't know who he is, but I have heard of him. Well, he's a horrible, horrible person, of course,
horrible serial killer absolutely, and so I'll start with his background. Perfect. He was born premature, okay, in the early morning hours of June sixth, nineteen forty five, at the US Naval Base in Kittery, Maine. I think I said that right. He was two months early. Probably not. We always mispronounced everything. That's another thing about us. He was two months early. I was two months early, okay, But anyway,
for sharing, you're welcome. At the time of his birth, his mom Elizabeth, she went by Bessie. She was just eighteen years old, and his father, Corporal Arthur Roy Shawcross, he was twenty one. Two weeks after his birth, Bessie took baby Arthur and she moved. She left. Well, yeah, she moved to Waterton, New York. But she only did that. She really didn't leave the dad. She left because he was
being deployed, so she went to be closer to family. By nineteen forty eight, the family had built a small house in a rural area six miles northwest of Waterton, near Brownville. Arthur was only three at this time, and yet he already was beginning to show signs of some abnormal behavior, starting fires, badwater. Yes, and he talked like a baby until he was about six. The following year he started running away from home, which family
members she ignored. Yeah, when he was seven, they said, you know, it's just a way for him to get attention, so they just kind of ignored it. By the time he was eight, other behavioral problems began to surface. He seemed to really dislike, like, kind of hate children younger than himself now, and he would tease them until they started to cry. That's not that abnormal, that is true. Sometimes he became obsessed with his sister, Jeanie, and he ignored his other sister and brother.
So he had he had two siblings. Yes, he's one of three. Yes, he invented imaginary friends and he spoke to them using strange voices. And he's eight doing this. Yeah about that, Okay. His classmates constantly made fun of him and called him Addie because he was odd, and he absolutely hated this nickname. Ah No, Arthur was a loner whose weird behavior made it really hard for him to communicate and mix with the other kids.
He would often seen He was often seen being alone, like in the classroom, he's kind of ostracized, you know, the kids would be out playing. Yeah, because he's weird. A school nurse remembered him as being troubled, and he constantly ran away from home. He often carried an iron bar with him. Oh, he was just a weird kid. Okay, so now everybody's got this picture of this weird kid. Yeah. By the time he entered third grade, Arthur's behavior only got worse once He's only in third
grade. I mean, he was just a weird kid, and his grades plummeted. He was given a series of psychological tests which indicated that his behavior was due largely in part to his feelings of inadequacy rejection. He had a growing hostility like this hostility that he felt towards his parents, especially his mother. Was he being abused no surprise, surprise, mummy issues. Regardless of the results of the tests, he later moved on to fourth grade, where
he stayed for two years. He did not asked fourth grade the first time around. During this time, he ran away yet again, and he was picked up at the Canadian border. I mean he's like light or nine. He's like nine. Wow, I know. So by the time he was nine, his home life was no better and a school was even worse, especially when Arthur's mom found out that Arthur's dad had a whole other family in
Australia, in Australia, in Australia. How does somebody do that? Well, back then it was easy, really probably Okay, it was maybe like the fifties, right, Okay, it might have been a lot easier. Did you take a long time? He got deployed out there. I'm being deployed. Yeah, I'm being deployed Australia again. Okay, all right, exactly. Arthur did his best to stay out of his mom's way, which meant he spent a long time at his grandma's house. He said though he
suffered some sexual abuse from home. While he was at his grandma's house. He said that his mom, he said he was suffered the sexual abuse from He said he suffered the sexual abuse at the hands of his mom. Okay, so maybe that was happening earlier. Maybe he would say that, you know, true, I don't know, because we have to rely on what Arthur said, okay, okay, so maybe I don't know, and we know serial killers don't die, right, never, never, okay, he
said. She first began masturbating him, and then soon we started performing fallacio Okay, he said. His aunt joined in. Yeah, all right, I'm not saying it's not true. I know, but I'm just it's a little far fetched, but it could have happened. Maybe, you know, I'm not going to discount it. As the years passed, Arthur grew even more violent and he would often beat up the neighbor kids. He just became well known for his explosive temper. He also began breaking into houses he stole
from local businesses, and this is when he started lighting fires. Called it. I knew it was coming. You called it, you knew it. On one occasion, after falling into a river at a family picnic, oops, he complained that his legs were sore, so he was given a brain scan and a battery of other tests to determine, you know, why are his legs sore? But the tests revealed nothing. And that's what his family said, Oh, he's probably doing it for attention, right, yeah,
because he's always did stuff exactly becoming increasingly withdrawn and anti social. Arthur fell further and further behind with his schoolwork, and by the time he was in eighth grade, he was three years older than all the other eighth He should have been like a junior. Eighth grade isn't hard to begin with, let alone, you're three years older, yes, and everybody else. Yeah, So he was obviously an outcast and way through puberty and all that, right,
I mean there's a big difference. Yeah, there's a big difference between eighth grader and an eleventh grader. By his mid teens, he was still wedding the bed, and he had check and he had almost completely withdrawn into his own little private world. He spent hours walking in the woods, where he would talk to himself. He was often seen yelling at inanimate objects and beating the undergrowth with a stick. Schizophrenia, don't spoil it. No,
I'm gonna spoil it. No. He was never diagnosed with schizophrenica. He would beat the underbrush with a stick as if he was fighting someone or something that wasn't there. By the time he was fourteen, Arthur claimed that he was regularly having oral sex with his sister Jeanie, and his cousin Linda.
Oh and like mom and an nice, he insist. He also claims that he had another relationship with a young girl who lived nearby, and they were caught by her brother and at the time he was performing oral sex on the girl. That is more believable. The brother supposedly threatened him, like I said, I'm going to tell your parents unless Arthur performed earl sex on him. Okay, all right, again, I'm getting really annoyed. But it's
from Arthur's, you know, his point of view. And it was around this time that Arthur's craving for sex became insatiable, and he continued to have oral sex with anyone, like any chance he could get. That year also marked the period when Arthur claimed to have his first associated violence. Wait, I'm sorry that didn't come out wrong. That you're marked a period of time where Arthur claimed this is when he first associated violence with sex. Okay,
okay. It began after he's walking home from school one day and he was picked up by a man in a red convertible who supposedly held him by the throat while performing oral sex on him. Was he kidnapped or did he willingly get I think he willingly got in the car and he This is what Arthur had to say about it. He said, quote, he held onto my balls and sucked me off end quote. Oh, I don't want to say
about any of this ship. This one's pretty graphic. When Arthur failed to reach orgasm, the man antally raped him and dropped him close to his house. Oh. I hope that's not true. I hope that's not true. From that time on, Arthur claimed he could never reach orgasm without inflicting pain on himself, on himself, on himself, oh right. The following year, he was arrested for breaking into a serious department store. Do you remember, of course, I remember sears. They're not around anymore. Yeah,
it doesn't that long ago. I remember, course. Okay, anyway, go ahead. But he didn't take anything, so he was just given pro like. All he did was break in. Why break into sears? I don't know. Maybe he just got a throw up breaking into places, who knows. For the next few years, Arthur wandered aimlessly throughout life until the age of nineteen, and that's when he got married for the first time. He got married. Yucky lady, some lucky lady out there snagged him at
the ripe old age of nineteen. The union lasted less than three years and produced a son. In nineteen sixty eight, at twenty three years old, Arthur went into the army. And so it's nineteen sixty eight, and you know what's going on at that point, no more Vietnam War. So he began a tour of duty in Vietnam. Just prior to his leaving for Vietnam, Arthur married his second wife. So he got divorced, Yes, divorce, and he's what twenty four, Yes, he's yeah, twenty three,
twenty four. A second wife, yep, prettame was Linda. They had a very brief courtship. Once he got to Vietnam, he was assigned to a year unit as a supply clerk. As a supply clerk, one of his duties was to arrange for the distribution of ammunition, which consisted of him traveling to other units by helicopter. And it was at that point he later
told psychiatrists that he started going out on fire missions with various companies. Faire missions are when the unit was assigned a specific target and included like when you're supposed to fire on it and how much ammunition you're supposed to use. So if they said, you know, access your target in action, he yes,
they're in action. Yes. Initially, when he was in Vietnam, he said, you know, he was initially shocked by all the violence, but soon he began to crave the danger of going into the jungle looking for the enemy, and he referred to himself this is when he became a predator. Onward. On one such mission, Arthur claimed he encountered two Vietnamese women hiding guns. I don't want to know. Yeah, it's pretty bad. They were hiding these guns in a hollow tree. He shot one of them
initially, and he tied the other one to a tree. The woman who was shot, she was actually still breathing when Arthur cut her head off. What Yeah, this is what he said he did. He said, then he took her head and put it on a post. What the fuck is this ship for the Vietcong to find? Okay? He then he said, he cut off a section of her thigh and roasted it over a fire. He did that to the one. The other one she tied to a tree. Watching this, Yes, and he said he ate it, or ate
a portion of it. So we have. We're very else here, right, you have to question, Yeah, exactly what's going on? He said the other woman. He ended up having oral sex with her, and he raised her before shooting her in the head. And then he said he butchered her body, which I'm taking to me and he dismembered her. Okay, he's doing all in the jungle Vietnam. Yeah, alone roasting. Okay, where's the guys in his company? I don't know. I don't know,
I don't know. I'm taking a story. I don't know anything, he says. Right, He became an expert sniper who claimed that he fashioned a silencer out of a rubber nipple from a baby's bottle. Can you even want? I don't. I've never tried to make my own silencer. No, never, no, no, I swear I haven't not yet. But I'm maybe I have gone. I don't know what if. It seems kind of weak to be able to be a silencer. But this is what he said he did. And this guy says, he said that allowed him to pick
off the enemy without giving his position away. Really, yeah, why wouldn't Why wouldn't everybody just put a nipple on? Right? I know I have no words. So I'm already annoyed with this guy so much. Oh, you're gonna hate him. Before this episodes over, Arthur admits he became an animal quote unquote in v Nam, and he found it difficult to control the violent urges that he had that drove him to rape and kill. The enemy weren't the only victims of his sexual rays of his sexual rages, as he
also claims to have tacked several Asian sex workers. Salma's young as eleven years old. It's just sad. Yeah, sad, discussed it right over, asshole, Alight, that's getting really angry. Yes. When he returned home to Waterton in nineteen sixty nine, but he was lovely. He was a changed man, but not for the good. No, he was continually agitated. He found it hard to relax. After after visiting his mother, he went to see his wife, only to find that she had spent all the
money he had sent home and she was sing another man. Well, you know, what, what the hell was he doing? Exactly? I can't get mad at Linda. Soon after, when he was transferred to Fort Sill, Oklahoma. That's where he was to serve out the remainder of his term in the army. Linda went with him, and it was at this time that they got they I guess, I know, even though you know she
spent all their money in love. I guess this. At this time is when Arthur began to experience violent flashbacks and nightmares, and he began to physic his own action. By the way, right, he began to physically abuse Linda, which led him to consult with an army psychiatrist. Good idea. The doctor suggested therapy and a period in a mental hospital to try and stabilize him, But Linda was a Christian scientist and she was wary of doctors and
hospitals, and she refused to sign the commitment papers. So he wasn't able to get that help in the Army hospital, and they didn't volunteered to know they were trying to involuntarily commit him. Yes, without therapy, Arthur's mental state began to decline and he became wine. Okay, he was already in the ascent, so we're just continuing descent descent. Sorry, you're right, descent descent, my bad up down descent ascent. Yeah, you're right,
he spiraled. Okay, Okay, he just grew more and more irritated Linda and her family. In April nineteen sixty nine, Arthur took his anger out by setting fire to a local paper mill and later that year the cheese factory where he worked at the time, A cheese factory. You know, I do like the small burnt cheese, but it is really delicious. You're right, Not when people could be hurt. No, I know, I wonder when he did it after hours. I don't know. I don't know.
He was later arrested and convicted on two counts of arson, and was sentenced to five years in prison. He served the first six months of a sentence at Attica Prison, where three inmates allegedly raped him. Okay, this guy has been sexually assaulted. H oh. Arthur claims he later got revenge by beating and raping each of his attackers and separate incidents. Eventually, he was transferred to Auburn prison to serve out his sentence. In nineteen seventy one,
he's given early release when he saved the life of a prison guard. Loves nice of them and the prison guard had been clubbed during a prison riot which was sparked by racial tension in the prison. He returned to Waterton to start a new life, but it was without Linda, Linda can only do it was without her. They got divorced while he was in prison. He stayed. His stay in prison did little for his already fragilemental state, and by
the time of fragil did I say fragile, fragile mental state? Fragel And by the time of his release, he was in a highly agitated fraom of mind, ready to do further damage to anyone or anything. But he now war and be in prison did not make him a better person. Unfortunately, it just gets worse. One of my favorite things. She says that all the time to me, and when she says it, she means it. Yes, it's gonna get really, really fucking bad. It's gonna get bad,
and it's time to settle into a normal routine. Arthur took a job at the Waterton Public Works Department as a handyman, and he got married for the third time. This guy could he just you know, couldn't beat the women off of a stick. Apparently all right. His new wife, Penny Nichol, was a school was a school friend of his sister Jeanie and had two children from a former relationship. Arthur claims that up until this time,
he was still having a sexual relationship with his sister Jane. He's going to ask about that really, in that she introduced him to Penny because she had gotten pregnant by her boyfriend and couldn't continue her relationship with her brother Arthur any further. Okay, why if you're having relations with your brother, what does it matter if you're pregnant, girl? I don't know rules to incest. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. By his recollection, after five months, the relationship with Pennies seemed to be going great, and at one stage she got pregnant, but she miscarried sometime later. He claims that the marriage came under threat when Penny's father accused him of sexually assaulting Penny's younger sister. Arthur said, you know, he denied all these aim but from that time on, Penny's parents spent a great deal of time around the house watching him, probably trying
to protect the sister. Does she live in with him? Okay? Arthur spent a lot of his spare time fishing in the creeks and rivers around Waterton. As a result, he came to know many of the town's children, and he often shared the same spot with them, because little kids liked to go fishing and everything, and Arthur probably liked the little kids. Well he didn't them, just spoiler alert. But I don't know. Maybe he did.
I don't know, Okay. One of his regular fishing companions was ten year old Jack Blake, and on one occasion Arthur had gone to the boy's house to ask Jack's mom, Mary, if Jack could go fishing with him. According to Mary, when she refused because she probably thought it was weird. Yeah, what are you doing, your little creeper, Arthur was polite and agreed that she had made the right decision. Oh what's he gonna do
to Mary? He doesn't do anything to marry Oh goad. Sorry. Four months later, on the morning of June fourth, nineteen seventy two, Jack went out to play near the Cloverdale apartment block where Arthur lived, and he never came home. Later that night, while out looking for her son, Mary Blake knocked on Arthur's door and said, you know, where's Jack? Have you seen Jack? Said, I haven't seen him. No, I
haven't seen him since this morning. What the matter was that Arthur had taken Jack into the woods and after stripping him naked and forcing him to run through the woods. What yeah, what, he caught him, molested him and then strangled him. You just told me the kid, I didn't want you to do what I knew he did. That's horrible, Yeah, it is horrible, man. Why would he do that to Jack? Jack was his
body like they fished together? Because Arthur's a fucking asshole. Okay. Later, Arthur would admit to removing the boy's heart and genitals and eating them. Stop. I know the story. I told you. It gets true though the backs to back that up, which is Arthur. I believe it just
came from Arthur. Okay. Although Arthur was a suspect in Jack's disappearance, no action was taken due to a lack of evidence because he doesn't admit the stuff until later three months later, when the police were still searching for Jack, eight year old King, they hadn't found his body. Eight year old
Karen and Hill was found dead under a bridge near Black River. She had been raped, mutilated, and strangled wasn't care for the boy, girl man woman who When a police investigation revealed that Karen and Arthur had been seen together earlier that same day, Arthur became a suspect in her murder. After they received another report that Arthur was seen eating ice cream at the bridge near where the body was found, the police picked him up and took him in for
questioning. He was by the way, hey Jack, you know what a coincidence? You know Jack too? It was only three months after Jack had disappeared, So I don't know. I don't know if the police put the two in two together. He never was charged with anything regarding Jack's disappearance or murder. Arthur was interrogated at police headquarters for a full day before he surprised the police by asking them in front of his defense attorney, what's going to
happen to me? If I tell you something? I have to get into trie so fast. Well, it's probably a wold have been arrested. I had somebody on retainer maybe okay, sorry, that's okay. So if he was my client, I've been like, shut up, shut up, she's got nothing to say. Would have kicked him when he said that I didn't pinch him. After several more hours of interviews and bargaining, Arthur ended up pleading guilty to the land to the manslaughter of Karen Ann Hill. He was
later convicted and sentenced to twenty five years in prison. It's a lot for a manslaughter case, don't you think. Well, I mean, I mean it's not life. But yeah, I'm just so confused. Like he had an attorney and he just went and spilled his whole guts out. M I probably wanted to tell someone, don't you think. Yeah, probably got off on it, yeah, or at least bragg at least bragg a. Yeah. He was never charged, like I mentioned, with the murder of Jack,
even though he did later admit to the rape and murder. And he showed police where he had dumped the body. And I don't know why that wouldn't give them enough to convict him. Here's his body, I mean, yeah, anyway, maybe it was a part of a police maybe the body. If you don't, maybe charge me. He subsequently told police psychiatrists that he had returned to the grave site. Oh stop, do not you got ready for this on several occasions to have sex with Jack's corpse. Adding in
nephilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, child the lasting. Yeah, he's just fucking gross. Yea, extremely, this is a terrible growth story. Absolutely. Arthur began his second jail term in the New York Penitentiary in greenhn For the first eight years he was there, he spent much of his time protecting himself from the other inmates because they found out he was a child killer. Yeah.
Absolutely, he was like the lowest of the low. His record shows many incidents of fighting minors, stealing offenses, lighting fires, and refusing to lead a cell. Eventually, though, he began to settle in to prison life. He's getting older now, yeah, you know, more mature. Maybe he started behaving himself and he seemed to be a model prisoner. Stop during his raping anybody, beating, anybody, setting fires. Now he's a
model. Now he's like a sawyer boy, right. Yeah. During his incarceration, he claimed that he tried to tell the prison psychiatry that his problems were a result of the Vietnam War, but they refused to listen because psychiatrists apparently don't listen. Oh yeah. One of the first psychiatrists to examinee was doctor Albert dresser. He did not consider Arthur a psychological risk resent. What
does that mean? Well, his report shows that he didn't perceive any evidence of delusions hallucinations, Okay, didn't diagnose them with any sort of mental ill right, there was no sensory deception in Arthur. Some months later, in October nineteen seventy three, another prison psychologist, doctor mc williams, also examined Arthur, and he carried out a series of tests including the Bender motor Gustalt test and the Weschler adult intelligence tests. Yeah, but found no evidence of
any neurological impairment. What he did find was that Arthur suffered was from being fucked up. He suffered fits of deep depression. Well, okay, and in prison. Yeah, I mean right, Prison's just depressing enough. But he also relied heavily upon fantasy as a source of satisfaction coping skills. Yeah, fantasy. Yeah, you're right, you're right. His final entry in the case file was that he considered Arthur quote to be a normal individual,
but who knows he's done wrong. It would like to help himself get back on the right track for his eventual return to society. No, no, not gonna happen curiously. In his file, though, an unknown person crossed out the reference to normal person and doctor mcwilliam's report and wrote the words a psychopathic killer above it, yeah and pencil thank you. You know, someone
was like, nope, nope, nope, it's not normal. In nineteen seventy six, doctor Micah doctor Michael Boscha examined thirty one year old Arthur, and he found that he hadn't come to terms with the severity of the crimes that he did, and he constantly blamed other people for his problems, so he didn't take responsibility for anything. In his opinion, Arthur hadn't requested that first psychological exam. He didn't request it like to deal with his mental problems.
He had done it merely to impress the parole board. The following year, this model prisoner had taken courses in locksmithing and horticulture. Locksmithing, Yeah, let's let him know. Let's let a criminal let locksmith think locksmith. I thought that was funny too, Yeah, that's interesting. And he began preparing for his ged with more than a touch of irony. He also began working with mental patients as a counselor. Oh soul right now, tell me about it. I know, hey, I know how you're feeling. You
I'm like cutting someone's heart out. I'd been there. I've been there. This is how you cope? What? What? How did they let him do that? What? I don't know, I don't know and befool them all or something. I don't know how, But go ahead. I don't know, I don't know. I'm so confused by this and angry. Before I tell you more, we're going to take a break. In June nineteen
seventy seven, yet another prison psychiatrist, doctor have Alwalla sounds good. I probably mispronounced he did, I'm sure, gave him another psychological exam and found that although he had adapted to prison life, you know, he had a prison routine, but he had his schizoid personality. I knew it, Yeah, I knew it. He was antisocial and he had a distinct personality disorder. In addition that that was his personality disorder. They didn't specify. They
just said it was a personality disorder. Probably everything. I'm sure there's a lot of things he have been diagnosed well. The doctor also wrote, quote, this man does not show a good degree of evidence of successfully resolving or working out his psycho sexual conflicts end quote, which sounds like he's pretty dangerous to me, because when you do that shit, you can't get better.
Some things cannot be turned around. No, no, they can't. Absolutely, if you find God and Jesus, you still can't stop the sexual fantasies and desires. I mean, I don't know personally, I'm just saying, I'm guessing. I'm guessing. Two more years passed and yet another report was tendered which described Arthur as quote a person of abnormal character traits with psycho sexual tendencies. It must be noted that the above mentioned complications tend to be chronic
in duration. Like you said, you just can't used to like to have sex with dead children or cannibalize people over that now or you know, commit necrophilia. Yeah right. Basically, what most doctors were trying to say that under was that under normal circumstances, Arthur was a passive individual, but when subjected to stress, he became a slave to his inner sexual drives and he
was unable to stop himself from giving them full rain. I get it, you're under stress, but don't you want to kill someone when you're under stress. No, no, well, okay, I mean we're recording. As your attorney, I would suggest you don't answer my own question. Everybody in life has stress, Yes, exactly, most of us cope with it. I mean maybe not so well, but yeah, okay, we don't murder
people. I don't. No, I don't. I don't. It's being clear and regardless of these and other unfavorable logical report, you do not tell me he gets out or lose my mind. Oh okay, we'll be prepared what. Arthur continued to improve himself in prison. By nineteen eighty five, he had completed his high school diploma and had enrolled in college courses at Penn
State University. A parole report during that same period further stated that Arthur exhibited a belligerent reaction, representing a foreboding potential for a possible re enactment of his tragic behavior. It's a lot of fancy words to say, he was going to read He's gonna do it again. Yes. The report went on to further criticize the prisoner for his disdain for the prison sex offender program and is
playing his fury during a parole interview. You gotta be nice. You would think that you play the game honestly, right, but incredibly, despite the numerous psychological reports to the contrary and the board's own misgivings, don't say it. I'm gonna say it. Arthur qualified for early release in March nineteen eighty seven. Anne was deemed to be fit to re enter society. What the fuck is that, Tanya? I know? His pearl officer was quite upset.
Why bit after his release. This pearl officer he worked in bingham in Binghamton County, his name was Robert T. Kent. He wrote to his superiors, get a load of this. I quit fuck you. I'm moving away to get away from this freak quote. At the risk of being melodramatic, this writer considers this man to be possibly the most dangerous individual to be released to this community for many years. Hello, Hello, people, somebody gets it with it? You know, I'm like it all worked up?
You know, no one? No one heeded the warning. When Arthur was released and he was placed in the Binghamton area, the officials and residents of Waterton had made it plain and clear they didn't want him there. Who wants this freak? Right? He also had been maintaining a penpale relationship with a woman named Rose Wally and indicated they get married. Oh they do, but you're killing me here, he told, you know, he told the Pearol Board he's going to go live with her. He's probably gonna marry her.
Because his pearl conditions, among other things, you know, required him to have somewhere to go. It restricted his movements to Broome County. He had a curfield, so he couldn't go out, you know, between eleven pm and seven am. He couldn't are taken any alcoholic beverages. He wasn't allowed to have contact with anyone under the age of eighteen, and he was supposed to stay away from schools and other places where children were. Well, that
makes sense. This stay in Bangington proved to be a short one because nobody wanted him there. So he got approval to move to Delhi, New York, and that's when he moved in to Rose Wiley's apartment. Shortly after he moved in, however, the residence of that community got wind of his presence and they wanted him out. They wanted him out, so he appealed to the parole board and he was sent to live in the basement of a Baptist
church in Delhi until suitable accommodations could be found. He and Rose later moved to Fleischmann's, New York. They moved into a large house, and Arthur obtained work with a local building contractor. So everything seems to be normal. Yeah, but a woman, got a big house, got a job. Everything seems to be going great. But within a matter of days days he was recognized at a local post office and later that night an angry mob hell
yeah, thank you, led by the mayor. Oh, we're like, he needs to go, they assembled outside his house and they demanded that he leave the area. In the following weeks, Arthur and Rose were bounced around from one area to the next and until they were finally given an apartment in Rochester, New York. Because you know, he's bound by these parole conditions.
He can't just move where ever he wants. Eventually, according to Arthur, he grew tired of the parole boards, interference, interference, and he and Rose got their own apartment and new jobs and settled into their surroundings. Because what would happen, is, he would say, him having trouble here they would find him a new place to live, so he instead he just said, we're going to find a place to live. Okay, I don't need your help. Yes. The job that Arthur got was at a company
where he was employed to pick salads and boxes. Oh seems like a I don't want a different job. Yeah, I don't know. His life seemed stable enough until Christmas nineteen eighty seven, when he was forty two years old. This is when he asked his family to come to Rochester to meet Rose and they refused. Well, yeah, I'm surprised to him talking to him. But his mood darkened when his sister informed him at the only visited her in Virginia and told her how they had returned. And she told Arthur how
his family had returned the Christmas presents that he had sent them. Why would you tell him because he can fuck off? Oh, I don't know. Because he's had sex with it. He murdered kids. I don't know, that's why. Yeah, I'm surprised anyone in his family he been talking to him after everything he alleged had like allegedly having exactly, so, I don't know. He became angry and ranted about how his family didn't want him. Who is right for me? Anyone? Out at his bike and rode for
miles until he cooled down. Shortly after the Christmas incident, he started a relationship with another woman. What having a Rose, Well, she's still around. He's got two ladies now, must be. Is he good looking? No? I mean my standards. No, I don't know. Maybe the ladies found him. I mean pretty low, you bitch, Just kidding, but I don't know. So this new woman was Clara Neil, and she
had a car, and he often would borrow her car. For a year, he maintained both relationships, and he explained to Rose that I'm just being nice to Clara so I can borrow her car. I'm using her. I'm using her. Yeah, okay, honey, okay. Great. Because he didn't want to ride his bike everywhere. On one particular evening, this is March fifteenth, nineteen eighty eight, he rode his bike to Clara's and took the car and he drove around until he reached Lake Avenue, which is near
the Genesee River. It was an industrial area well known for its chief sacks and drug deals. As he drove slowly down the street, twenty seven year old Dorothy. She went by Dotsy Blackburn signaled for him to stop. When he pulled over, she asked him, you know, do you want a date? He said yes, and she directed him to park his car behind a warehouse. He told her he wanted to have mutual oral sex, and he paid her thirty dollars. She then undressed like she got his car undressed,
and she complied with his request. Okay, now this is what Arthur describes. He says, at that point, dots He bit him on the penis, drawing blood. Why would she do that? Thank you? He said. He became enraged and bit her vagina out of revenge and squeezed her throat until she lost consciousness. He then attempted to stop the flow of blood from his damaged organ and tied Dotsy up with articles of her own clothing before driving out of town along State Route one oh four to an area in Northampton
Park called Salmon River and it was one of his favorite fishing spots. Okay, so she's still alive. He told her that he was going to rape her, and she began taunting him and calling him names. That's what you do when you're tied up and you're terrified for your life. Yeah, he threatened to kill her, but she can tinue the name calling until he just couldn't stop. He lost it. Yeahs stressed out. Yeah, he took her. He took her neck in his hands, and he crushed the breath
out of her. He stayed in the car with her body until nearly midnight, then calmly carried her through the snow to the river bridge and dropped her body into the icy river below, because that's what you do. Walking back to the car, he drove back into Rochester and drove up and down Lake Avenue looking for any sign that maybe indicated people were looking for Dotsy. You
know, didn't anybody miss her? I don't know how we would find out, right, And you're just putting yourself back into an area where you could cause suspicion. That's why I called bullshit and everything he said satisfied. You know, okay, that nobody saw me pick her up. He went to a nearby coffee shop to relax. That's what you do, right, And after about an hour or Starbucks or whatever. Yeah, after about so he went back to the car. He collected Datsy's clothes and other property. They
threw them into a dumpster bin. The following morning, after he cleaned up Clara's car, he returned it to her, and then he wrote his bike home, thanks, let me use thanks. Because of his normally erratic behavior, I guess he'd probably disappeared a lot. Neither of these women in his life realized that there was anything different in his behavior. Plus, you know, he suffered from these nightmares, and you know, so if he was acting weird, it was probably normal. And they liked it. They liked
normal, they liked weird, they liked him. I guess you're probably right. Something little off about them too. I'm guessing I don't know him. I don't know him. They're probably lovely. I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe. In the following months, Arthur became a Lake Avenue regular, and he was well known by the local sex workers as Mitch
Mitch Mitch. On March twenty fourth, about a week after Arthur murdered, Dotsy Plice found her body floating in the river some distance downstream from the area where she had been dumped. Her body was well preserved by the icy waters because it's March, but It also removed any evidence that might link her with her killer. The one thing that they did notice about her body was there
was like a chunk that had been torn from her vagina. And so that's where he better bit or tore a chunk bit he said he better, said a chunk. Well, that's where there was a chunk missing. Okay, okay, I'm no he didn't he said he better. Oh, I believe he better. But that's a bite, that's more. I mean, that's like, never mind, let's just move on. I don't know what it looked like. Girls like Arthur then contained his urge to kill for several months.
But when Arthur's boss learned why Arthur had been in prison because apparently he didn't know, he fired him, and that triggered off Arthur's next wave of violence. The second victim, while this is actually the fourth victim, but because you don't give to count jack and what would have helped Vietnam to yeah, m yes. She was a part time sex worker named Anna Stephen who
Arthur had picked up and taken to the river near Driving Park Bridge. Arthur claimed that she had offered him sex for twenty dollars, but when he was unable to get an erection. She began making fun of him, because again, this is what people do. I guess I don't believe it. Everybody else's fault. They're all just bullying, right Arthur, making fun of him, calling him names, right, I mean, it goes back to childhood. He became angry and punched her, which made her fault to the ground
trying to get away from him. She crawled into the water, but he went in after her, and he held her under the water until she drowned. He later told police said he couldn't be bothered trying to conceal her body, and he just let it float down the river. I'm surprised that he just drowned, like that's all he did me too, You're right, she became caught up in debris downstream, where because of the warmer conditions, her body rapidly decomposed. From that time on, he tried to resist the temptation
to kill. He got another job working nights pecking salads for a company called G and G Food Service, pecking salads again. Yeah, he was pecking salads again and at night, So maybe this kept him off the street for a while. It did, because he didn't kill again until June nineteen eighty nine, so it was maybe like, oh, a year and three months, so we know, yeah, so he says. So, he says he was forty four at the time. This next victim was different than the
first two, and that she wasn't a sex worker. She was a fifty year old. She was a fifty eight year old homeless woman named Dorothy Keller. And I'm gonna call her Keller because we already have Dotsy and Dorothy in our story. Arthur had met Keller when she worked as a waitress and a diner that he frequented. The two struck up a friendship, which quickly turned into an affair. What the hell, dude, he's a ladies man. This is It's crazy right. One afternoon, Arthur was on his way to
the river to fish when he stopped to talk to Keller. When she found out where he was going, she asked, can I tag along? He said, sure, I wants to tag along fishing I don't know anyway, According to Arthur, they spent the morning fishing and having sex. Fishing and having sex, and they're out the open along this river bish and had some sex by the river. Daylight, right, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I've never seen people do that, but okay,
I'm sure people are doing it, all right. I don't know. They were there until midday when it started to rain. They huddled under a crude shelter that he had built, and while there they got into an argument about Keller stealing money and about his relationship with Clara and Rose, because apparently she was jealous that Clara and Rose were in his life. I don't know.
He claims that when Keller threatened to tell the other women about the affair, he became angry, he got upset, he got stress, and he had no other choice but two. He picked up a log and beat her on the side of the head, killing her instantly. M Yeah. After hiding her body under a fallen tree, he returned home. He later told police that he returned to the spot. Sp don't do not say he had sex with her. Yeah, several months later. What he didn't have sex with
her. He removed her skull and he dumped it in the river. I know that, Okay, he probably did, because it's what he fucking does all the time, so I wouldn't doubt it. Yeah, No, one said he just put her head in the river, because that's not disgusting either. Maybe, yeah, I probably, I don't know. Didn't want her identified. I don't know. I don't know. Fisherman eventually found Keller's remains, but Arthur was never connected with this woman, even though he had been
seen with her regularly and often went to this fishing spot. Let's not forget his history. No, but nobody put two and two together. The next to die was another Lake Avenue sex worker named Patricia Ives, and she was known on the street as crazy Patty. Oh I want to be as crazy Tanya you are, but we just don't say it to your face. Oh okay. He claims that she offered him sex for twenty five dollars and when he approached the same wait, I'm so sorry. He claimed that she offered
him sex for twenty five dollars. When he approached the same diner where Dorothy Keller had worked, he agreed that they He agreed, and they went to a construction site. While they were having sex, Arthur said he caught Patty like reaching for his wallet oh okay, and he pushed her heart against the ground when she began to cry. He antally raped her and began strangling her until she went limb These poor women, I know. He hit her body
under some scrap of construction material. He waited until dark and then he went home. It's so cruel. Oh, he's awful. I told you you were going to hate it before. This episode's old for the women. I mean. Two months later, he killed another sex worker named Francis Brown in similar circumstances, except in this instance, he claimed to have choked Francis with his penis. He choked her literally, I'm calm, bullshit. Oh so during oral sex? Yees, during oral sex? Oh man, what are
we to go? Hontelea? What the fuck is that? This whole? I hope, I just hope he's lying. I hope he's lying too. It's horrible. And he said he continued to have sex with her after she died. Okay, I do believe that. Okay, I'm not stopping. Do you have any good news? It's horrible. I know, it's really horrible. No, seriously, it is horrible. That's horrible, yes,
okay. He then dumped her body down a nearby and ba. Following Francis's murder, the media began to pick up on the story of the murdered five Rochester, New York women. This all happened within eighteen months, and they called the unknown perpetrator the Rochester night Stalker, the Rochester strangler, and the Genesee River Killer. Some even suggested that the crimes were similar to the Green River killings in Seattle and speculated that the killer had merely just changed locations,
like maybe you know, because they hadn't caught Gary Ridgeway by then. For the next victim, which total, how many more we get, Well, this is the eighth victim, and he did have a total of thirteen victims. Of a few more to tell you about, Arthur again chose someone close to home. June Stats was a friend of Arthur and Rose and regularly was
a visitor at their home. She was also mildly mentally challenged. Arthur had seen June sitting near the river on a warm November day, hanging up by this river I know, and he said to her, you know, do you want to come for a ride with me? She accepted and they drove down to a local bench O beach. Sorry, she accepted and they drove down to a local beach where they played in the sand and fed the birds before they walked to a deserted area and lay down on the ground to have
sex. Everybody's just dying to have sex with Arthur by a river, by a river. At some point during sex, Arthur claims he made an innocent comment about her not being a virgin, and she started screaming. He then held his hand over her mouth to silencer, and then he soon realized he had accidentally suffocated whoops. He then cut her open with his knife so that she would decompose quicker, and he covered her with a blanket in some nearby brush and then left her. You blood all over him? Think, So
that's why I don't know. I don't know how to feel about him saying these things. You would think, like there's nobody else in this area. It's I can't I can't even look gum on the sidewalk without getting a ticket. Right, I don't know, not that I have. Well, guess what he did something horrible to her. He later claimed that he removed her vagina and some of her organs and he ate them. Okay, again, I don't know. Is he trying to shock? Where? Where do you?
Where? How do you? I don't know what a coup bullshit? Yeah, I hope. So. Look it's what I know. I can only say what the fux so many times? I know it's bad, It's just bad. Why would you admit that? Like, I know, That's what I'm saying, Like, is he trying to shock probably like the police or I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he did do it,
I don't know. That same month, Arthur picked up Maria Welch from Lake Avenue, that's where the sex workers were usually found, and he took her to a small beach near the bank of the Genesee River, where they argued over a suitable price before they began having sex again. Like Patty Ives, he claimed that Maria tried to reach for his wallet like that. Yeah, they're all just robbing him, I know, And so he snapped and he
strangled her. He later changed his story, and he told investigators that he had become angry and killed her when he realized she was menstruating, because that's her fault. He drove further down the road next to the river and dumped her body in some bushes. Who knows what the truth is. On November eleventh, nineteen eighty nine, police. Police investigators from the sixty strong Serial
Crimes Unit identified the body of Francis Brown. Incredibly, no one in the newly formed task force uncovered the fact that a known sex offender and child killer was still on parole living in their midst I don't know. It's before computers were really popular too. I guess I can't blame, you know. I mean today you'd all know. They don't know, you know, hopefully,
hopefully. Two weeks later, on November twenty third, while police were examining the decomposing body of June's stats, Arthur killed again, as before the pattern was set. He picked Darlene Trippy up from the Lake Avenue area and drove to an isolated car park. After the money was paid, they had oral sex, but Arthur failed to get an erection. He claimed she became frustrated was calling him name, oh there we go again, rights and taunting.
He said that enraged him. He choked her until she lay dead under him. He dumped her body in open woodland. The following month, he killed Elizabeth Gibson in a similar fashion when she got into his car to keep warm while he was getting coffee from a diner. They had oral sex in the car, and again he claimed she tried to take his wallet, and angry, he strangled her. Arthur later told police that she had struggled so hard
that she had broken the gearshift his car. He disposed of Elizabeth's body in an area near Wayne County that he hadn't used before, as he feared that the police were getting too close. Like he went he did dump people like in similar areas. So I mean it was stupid. He was stupid,
thankful, because that's how people get caught. Two more weeks passed, and even though the police were out in full force in the Lake Avenue area, Arthur picked up an attractive girl named June Cicero and took her to another another isolated area, and attempted sex with her before he strangled her. He dumped her body off a bridge near the Salmon River. Two days later, he returned to the dump site with a small Handsaw. Okay, and that's when
he said he cut her vagina from her froze body. Okay, it was just okay, I don't understand, all right. The final victim, yes please, yes, was another sex worker, only she was different than the others because she was a black woman named Felicia Stevens didn't fit his normal profile. When he was interviewed later, he said he really couldn't remember too many details about killing her, other than the fact that she was a black woman
and that he strangled her. He dumped her body near those of June's Cicero and Dorothy Blackburn. And Dorothy Blackburn was his first victim that had picked up like one of the first sex workers. It was this desire to keep the bodies where he could find them again that left he was capture. On Wednesday, January third, nineteen ninety, forty five year old Arthur drove to Salmon
Creek in Northampton Park to visit June's Cicero's body. He was aroused at the thought of him and say he hadn't been following the progress of the Serial Task Force that had become prime news on TV and in the newspapers, which I'm really surprised because a lot of killers get off on that. Yeah, and I thought you said that he went to like some park, like a parking lot and dumped one because he thought they were getting to clothes. But he's
not following it. Yeah, he's not following He had clippings and stuff like they do. He didn't follow it that close. He's just visiting the body. And if he had followed the case, he would have known that the police surveillance was in and around the Northampton Park that had increased dramatically. But they were out in full force. You know, they really wanted to catch
this killer. He was happy that there were no cars parked where. He wanted to stop on a bridge overlooking the creek so he could view June's body while he ate his lunch. So I guess he could get it. He could get on this bridge and I guess he could see her. Well, he ate his lunch, lunch just casually. I'm gonna, you know, bring my brown bag. And I know he didn't realize that a police helicopter had been checking the Salmon River and had not only seen his car parked on
the bridge, but also the outline of the body under the ice. Oh wow. Yeah. As a helicopter approached, Arthur noticed it. He left the area and drove along Highway thirty one and he turned laughed at route to fifty nine, heading toward the town of Spencerport, with the helicopter following him. You're not going to get away from the helicopter found him entire time. The helicopter crew then called in to patrol cars to follow Arthur and intercept him.
They followed him to an address in Spencerport where the car was parked, and Arthur got out and entered the Wedgewood adult home where his wife worked. Oh hey, honey, honey. I The police entered the home and asked the attendant about the man who had just honored, and they told him he went down into the basement. The police followed and approached Arthur in the basement and they asked for his ID. Well casual about it. He took his ID out and said, hey, what's up? What do you guys?
Stop sign? What what's you doing here? They then asked him to step outside to answer some questions. Later, he was interview in the car by Paul Dasillis, who was one of the Task Force investigators, and he was asked why he had been at Samon Creek in lunch. Yeah you know, but Arthur said, oh, I'd been out driving and I stopped a pea. But then when he saw the helicopter, he got shy and he decided to sit in his car and pee in a bottle because guys do do that.
Ye so, but God forbid the you know, helicopter see him p outside. It's probably a crime. I don't know. Yes it is, Yes, it is for several hours. Can't just piss outside. I don't do it. I know. But you're a lawyer, You're like, it's probably a cript. I's gonna let you know. Thank you to Leah. Detective Dacillus question Arthur for hours, question him extensively about his movements that morning, but found that Arthur had a pretty convincing story while they were talking.
While they were talking, Arthur told him about his earlier conviction for the chick. Hey, guess what kids better casually? I don't know. Detective d. Sillis continued to ask him questions about his wives, his jobs, his sexual habits, and even asked him details of the attacks on Jack Blake and Karen Hall. Those children, Karen Hill, those children. Throughout the questioning, he was completely cooperative, even though he hadn't been arrested and he was
talking to the police voluntarily. Later that night, he was released and he went home, unaware that his house was now under constant surveillance. The following morning, the detectives picked him up early again because they're like, we need you to come back to the station questions. There's some inconsistencies we need your help with. Again, Arthur complied with their request and he went with them.
They drove him to an area near a golf course where he had supposedly had a liaison with a sex worker who had said, you know, he often took her to this area and that's where he picked up a lot of sex workers. When Arthur agreed with that assrotation, he's like, yeah, I do. He was asked to accompany the detectives to their office, where an official interrogation was conducted. Later that same evening, Arthur positively identified photographs
of the eleven victims, and he confessed to their murders. Thank god, okay. He then accompanied the police to various grave sites, and later that night, after twelve straight hours of interrogation, Arthur was officially charged with the
Genesee River killings. At his arraignment, Arthur followed his court appointed attorney's advice and and pled innocent on all charges, and it was strongly rumored that he was going to raise the insanity defense for the next several months, Arthur was given a multitude of tests by numerous psychiatrists, one of which was doctor Krauss, who compiled an extensive report which suggested that Arthur was quote and emotionally unstable,
learning disabled, genetically impaired, I know, biochemically disordered, neurologically damaged, individual, psychologically alienated from significant others during his entire life, venting his frustration and rage mixed with fear and defiance in a lifetime of ever more violent and destructive aggression which ultimately turned to overpowering, murderous fury aka fucked up. That's its diagnosis. Yeah, I mean, he just so tell me what
happens to him? Please please? Well, he went on trial because we didn't take the stand. It was extensively covered by the media. The only defense witness was not Arthur. It was doctor Dorothy at now Lewis, who testified that Arthur had been hideously traumatized as a child. Maybe that's true, which left him with multiple people personality disorder. Oh really yeah. Yes. She also cited post traumatic stress disorder caused by his war experiences as a root
cause for his behavior, which it probably contributed. Yeah, but a lot of people went through. Oh yeah, absolutely, they don't do this shit show whatever. I can't even fucking you're so angry, so angry, you can't even talk. No excuse for it. I know. I don't know why one person goes through the same thing and they don't end up killing thirteen people. But anyway, Arthur acted like a good boy, and he made sure to play the part, play the part. Sitting in court. Could
you look like a goddamn good boy? We sat there. I'm sorry, I'm gonna be I only ate the vagina. No, you can't be a good boy. He tried to give the impression that he had advanced psychosis to the jury, which I don't know, what, do you have a crazy look on your face or something. But the jury was less than impressed because it only took them six and a half hours. I took them six and a half hours. Yeah, well, there's a lot of there's a lot
of victims. They returned a unanimous guilty verdict and recommended a sentence of two hundred and fifty years in jail. Okay. In September of nineteen ninety nine, Arthur was found to be selling his paintings and autographs on the Internet from within prison. The New York State Department of Correctional Services temporarily suspended his art privileges after learning that his artwork and autographs were listed for sale on eBay.
What people were buying this ship? People did buy the ship just really getting out of a prison. I don't know. Somebody was probably smuggling it out for him and then taking a New Blacks something like that. Yeah, right, they had the panties in origin and New Black. Yeah. He received disciplinary actions for the breach, which included being locked in a cell for extended periods. So do you want to know where Arthur is today? Yes? I do. Well, he's dead. That's what I was hoping you would
say. He died on No remember ten, two thousand and eight of cardiac arrest. How old was he? He was a whopping sixty three. He died young. But it's young. It is young. But yeahs for him? Though too long? You aren't too long for him? Too long for him, exactly, asshole. Horrific excuse for life, waste of oxygen. This was a tough one. Yeah, I know, I just said through it. Yes, that's that's the end. There's no more victims. I think I feel bad saying this, but thank you for thinking you're welcome.
You're welcome a lot. That's sad, right, it was very sad, But I mean I don't make I mean to make light of it. That's how we cope. Yes, And I laugh when I'm nervous or uncomfortable, so that doesn't help, you know, I'm not giggling because it's a hilarious story. No, it's just ridiculous lies. Yeah, his lives were stupid. And hate him, you know. I think God he was dumb though, t leah, because that's how he got Yeah. Well it took a long time, it did, a lot of people lost it. He moved
a lot though. I mean he was killing people like left and right. Yeah. Thank you everyone for tuning in to this episode of Crimes and Consequences. Thank you, and if you haven't done so already, please hit like or subscribe both both please, and please share this episode with all of your friends. Tell everybody, Tell everybody, because we love doing this and we love you guys, and your friends are going to appreciate it. And until our next episode, don't kill each other. Bye.