Reefer Madness

hitting rock bottom for. Where are the bird mothers against drunk flying? Why our scientists creating a butterfly sex potion. Also, we find out about the Bermuda Triangle of death that all the otter teens are dying to explore. Discover this and more as we answer the age old question what's the grossest alcoholic beverage in the world and why did my guests drink enough of it to get a lot? So first, I want to talk about flying. It's kind of scary, especially because you're at the mercy of a

human pilot. Whenever the pilot comes on over the speakers to give an announcement, I'm always searching for vocal cues of something wrong, like does he sounds stressed, anxious, angry? Well, my absolute nightmare would be if he sounded drunk, even though you shouldn't mix flying and drinking, or about to find out that some humans and animals do. In fact, one such pilot has become a master of flying under the influence Creature feature starts right now. So, Robert, do

you fly much? Yes? Good? Well, do you ever like fantasize about flying cars and why we don't have them yet in a glorious future where all cars are just flying around? No? You know, I drive a lot. I've probably driven up and down California alone more than anyone who's not a truck driver, put about a hundred and twenty thousand miles on my car in the last two years. So I have very little faith in the driving ability of most people, and I have even less faith in

their ability to pilot a flying car. Well, that's the thing that's what always gets me when it's like, uh, you see, like Star Wars or the Fifth Element with Bruce Willis. Uh, you know, if any asshole like Bruce Willis can just fly a car, the consequences of drunk drivers is just way, way, way worse. Oh my god, it's a nice and think about terrorism, like, yeah, like we're already having this problem because people can buy guns.

But what if you let people buy like a two ton flying bullet that they can crash into anything, Like what do you do? How do you regulate that? Or like a drunk would it would it cancel it out? Like if it was a drunk terrorist, would they'd be like, I'm trying to terrorism, but I'm too drunk. I mean I think in that case, alcohol is kind of the hero of the story. Yeah, it's like zero dark thirty, but instead of a bunch of CIA guys, it's like a bottle of gym bean instead of John because the

ski who's now always the hero, it's just alcohol. Yeah when did when did he get abs? I don't know. They look angry and everything I've seen of him now like furious ads. We never did see his bare chest in the office, so maybe they've always been there. I mean no, you can tell you can see in his eyes that he doesn't have impressive abs, and they the faint reflection of the abs that should be there weren't in his eyes at that time. But flying cars, flying cars.

So yeah, I mean, like we're all very we have wishful thinking about flying cars. But you know you've got you got drunk people like Hayden Christensen jumping out of a car and everybody going great, now there's no driver in that car. It's just going to crash into an orphanage. Oh yeah, I mean it's like the that scene is like there's so many questions I have about how traffic control works in Horissant, Like what is the organization? Right? Do jed I not have to go to traffic school? Well,

I don't. Like what's shocking about that is that nobody reacts as if it's a big deal like the other Like it's it's like you can't see it all the time, yeah, which is terrifying, right, Like everyone's hyped up on death sticks and jumping out of their cars and everything's crashing around,

and you know, maybe the Empire wasn't such a bad idea. Yeah, I think you would probably start to hunger for like an authoritarian dictator after like living in suicide traffic for that long, right, just to stop these awful flying cars

from smashing into everything. As soon as someone like four twenties that day yeah, yeah, no, that seems although I gotta say, like when you talk about drinking or smoking and flying cars, that's when I want them, because I love going out in the middle of nowhere on like a friend's land and like a jeep or an old truck and just getting wrecked on painkillers and liquor and doing donuts and stuff and driving through fields of trash with like just old beater cars. It's the most fun

in the world. So if you could like have like a safe flying car are driving area, that doesn't sound like you could. Well, but as long as you're the only push around, well if you die, it's fine. You're choosing to take that risk. It just needs to be a bit way where it's like you can come out here and do stupid things in a flying car while you're ripped a ship and nobody will get killed other than maybe you. Yeah, like that sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah, well, this is why I'm having you

on this podcast about vices and animals. And speaking of which, birds totally go the full uh star wars root and they drink and fly all the time. So like in the winter they will the berries freeze and then sort of the insides of the berries ferment and brew into like a little jello shot, and the birds eat these and get wasted. It's like the bird equivalent of those

like semi frozen margarita, those little slushy packs. Those are nasty. Yeah, they're tear doble, But at the same time there I mean, I'm a big fan of like, uh, that kind of drinking, like like fruit drinking for when you're like walking around a city. Yeah, the drinking that you immediately regret before

the alcohol has even hit your system. Yeah, but you want, Like the reason I think the birds are being smart and they're drunk flying choices is that if you're going to be out in the world getting really wrecked in the middle of the day and then like navigating a city, you want not just alcohol, but you want sugars and salts and and some cars. Exactly exactly, that's a smart way to city drink. Gatorade up your booze people. Yeah,

it's safe. No. When I was wandering around San Francisco with a couple of friends last week and we we took a camel back and we filled it half full of tequila and half full of frozen lime popsicles, and that's basically the same thing except where we were on the ground. Yeah, you're being birds, Yeah, we were being birds. Yeah. Yeah. I've got a great, great quote here from Megan larry V who's the obratory coordinator at the Government Agency Environment

Yukon in Canada. Where these birds are getting crunk. She says most birds likely just get a bit tipsy, and very few people would be able to pick them out as intoxicated. However, every now and then some birds just overdo it. And when they overdo it, they like crash into buildings and die. Well, yeah, but you gotta weigh that against how much fun they're having. That's true, and it sounds like a lot. It's a wild five minutes and then a sudden, invisible force field death for the bird.

Will you say this is in the Yukon, right, Yeah, that's right, because I know that very cold places have way higher rates of alcohol abuse than places that are not very cold, because there's nothing else to do when you say that cold, but drink a lot. Right, You can't like go to the beach, so you gotta get wasted on drunk berries. Yeah, so I wonder if that's the same for animals as people is like both. When we're like stuck in frozen wasteland, it's like, well, I

guess I'm just to drink myself to death. It's better than another winter. Well, there is an entire flock of Bohemian wax wings that went on a bender and they had to go to a recovery unit, like an animal recovery unit, where they were like, wow, these birds are They need some fluids and eggs and coffee. Their beaks were like stained with berries um, and the workers at the animal recovery unitor like their movements are uncoordinated and they struggled to fly. Poor gat. No, they need some

of those little hangover cure shots you get from the CBS. Yeah, do those work? Yeah, they're like, it's just caffeine in a seat of metal. Fine. So it's the same as people take coffee and aspirin in the morning. I didn't. So does caffeine actually help with hangovers or does it just wake you up? I mean it make sure you don't feel as bad. Like caffeine doesn't sober you up if you're still drunk from the night before, but if you like wake up feeling like garbage after a night

of drinking. I always find that I feel better after coffee. Interesting, I get wrecked by caffeine. It destroys me. It makes me feel like like my heart is gonna fail. Isn't that how everyone feels all the time. Yeah, moving on. So, I used to have a phobia of flying. I hated at the idea like we shouldn't be in the air, were defying Gods, were spitting in Jesus's face by doing this.

It's the best thing about flying is like looking down at at God and being like, yeah, yeah, that's right, motherfucker, screw you go. You can tell me what to do. We figured this ship out. We could bomb Mount Olympus right now if we want to do not my mom God. Yeah. So, drunk pilots is a recent thing I started worrying about when I was reading about Drunk birdas as like, I wonder if pilots get drunk and like I know, and

they do. They do, like I mean, not all the time time, but occasionally and occasionally as bad when you're flying a plane. Well, I don't know. The documentary Flight made me think that sometimes it works out for the better. Well, you know, we're gonna we're gonna get back to that, Robert. I have a I have a fun, a fun story about that. Um. But first let's go to Let's go to Russia, because that's where, like, I mean, they really love fulfilling stereotypes. And I get to say this because

I'm like sort of half Russian. You've got that classic Russian red hair. Yeah, yeah, they're they're classic Jewish Russian who got kicked out because of the programs. Yeah, it's ancestry right there. So I'm gonna I'm gonna dump on Russia right now. Uh. And so, like, there's been a few instances of drunk pilots causing crashes in Russia. In two thousand and eleven, drunk navigator was found to be

partially responsible for crash that killed forty seven people. Partially, yeah, partially, partially maybe which part There was like a mechanical failure, but if the navigator hadn't been drunk, he probably could have worked around the issue. But instead he was just like panicking and didn't didn't help the situation. I had something similar happened in my truck while I was drunk with a cigarette lighter and a blunt So yeah, I get it, get it, I get it. We can all

relate to that. Yeah. Uh So back in two thousand and nine, again in Russia, there was a mutiny on board a plane. So um, I just love that it's in Russia because just imagining a bunch of like angry babushez on a plane like so good couple imagining a group of Russians like, aren't angry? Yeah, because like you would imagine, it's like a murder of crows and like a fury of Russians exactly. So they're on an aero float. I don't know if I'm doing that right, but it's fine.

It's aeroflot. But I don't really know. I heard it sometimes, So before the plane had taken off, when they're still on the tarmac, passengers notice that the pilot, Alexander Chaplevski, was stumbling slurring a speech, and according to passengers, he kept repeating the words duration of the flight. I see, that's sober. That's sober profiling. That's just that's sober profiling. That's all that. It's you know, you, that's not fair. Like We've plenty of capable people slear their words, stumbled

around or repeat the same phrase a lot of times. Well, when I get nervous, I sometimes just say like duration of the flight, duration of the flight. And maybe he just didn't like to mantra, meaning like like you only have to get through this for the duration of the flight. Yeah, I'm on this guy's side so far. Well, the flight crew would agree with you, because they were telling the

passengers to settle down and to stop making trouble. And the passengers like, you're talking to Russians who have done like several revolutions. Don't ever tell Russian stop making trouble um, and so they continue to rabble. And then Aeroflot representatives came onto the flight to address the issue, and the Moscow Times quotes one of the representatives is saying, it's not such a big deal if the pilot is drunk. Really, all he has to do is press a button and

the plane flies itself. The worst that could happen is he'll trip over something in the cockpit. See, I'm a dent on board with the company. Now, that's that's the kind of straight talking that you want. These clients flay themselves. Yeah, it's easy to feel like it's fine if he's drunk. If he's drunk. It's fine, right, But it continued to get worse because the passengers did not take that boilerplate

company response and why, I don't know. They're fussy, real fushy, and so Captain Chiplevski attempted to bargain with the angry passengers, reportedly saying, I'll sit here quietly in a corner. We have three or more pilots. I won't even touch the controls, I promise. I'm thinking now that their policy is to have four pilots per flight just because they at least half of them are going to be wasted. Like, we just know that you got to get one sober. Statistically,

it's called the Stolnaya rule. Yes, at least one of them will be so hungover that he can't keep drinking. And that's that's the sober pilot, right. It's it's like having multiple doctors on call because one of them is going to be sleepy. A Russian pilot is going to

be drunk at any given point. Yeah. So, finally, first class passenger was able to convince the airline to bring in an entirely new crew, and she happened to be a Russian celebrity, whose father has ties to putin Okay, I guess you know this ties into my grand theory of rich people ruin everything, because I bet without first class, all of the people in third class and all the drunk pilots would have had a really cool just like just like booze plane out, like break out, some cigars.

Let's turn this into a flying bar. It's not a party until someone says, wait, who's flying the plane right now? Well, they fly themselves. You just push a button. It's the plane fly button, wings stay on button, plane fly button. You don't want to mix those two up, right, they're right next to each other. So even after this, the airline continued to insist that the pilot had not been

drunk and that he hadn't tested positive for alcohol. Uh and now they're claiming he developed high blood pressure as a result of all the complaints and the stress of the news and stuff, which is funny because high blood pressure is there's a medical link between repeated wind drinking and high blood pressure. So I mean, okay, alright, let's let's let's be fair to this guy. First off, if there's a better place to drink than a plane, I

haven't found it. Because I love getting drunk on planes. Yeah, and I don't see why piloting one should make you immune to the fun of getting drunk on a plane, especially if it's a one button plane. Yeah, it's one of those easy one button planes. Why not? Why not people need to lighten up? Well after that incident, Russian investigators looked into Aeroflot crash that found the pilot had

alcohol in his system. Um. At the time, all they knew was that he had allowed his fifteen year old son to take over the controls and subsequently the plane crashed and killed. All this on burden, I wonder why. I don't know. That sounds like one of those mysteries with no I mean, kids got to learn somehow, like like if not that flight, another flight. Yeah. I feel like we hold pilots to do highest standard just because hundreds of other people get killed if they make a mistake. Yeah.

It doesn't seem fair to me. It's unfair. Yeah, yeah, the double standard really. Um, so you know, is this a big problem? Shouldn't we be afraid to fly? Well, of course you wouldn't think it's a big problem even if it was, Like, even if pilots were drunk you'd

be on on board with us. I mean, I just I feel like people get too worried about what's going to kill them and not worried enough about having a fun time on right right, Yeah, yo, yolo, you only um, so this isn't something you should worry about, at least in the US because in two thousand fifteen, ten out of twelve thousand, four hundred US pilots failed a random

alcohol test. So, according to that study, if I'm good at math, which I am not, you have a point zero zero zero eight percent chance of getting on board with a drunk pilot. Don't DM me if my math is wrong, I apologize. That also means that only point zero zero eight percent of pilots or rad there. Yeah, so that's that's a sobering statistic. Yeah. So you mentioned earlier Denzel Washington and fight every day who just who rocked it? He drank? He was drunk and he's doing

coke too, Yeah yeah, Goodman's Yeah. And he landed that plane, damn right he did. He He barrel rolled that plane, crushed it. Yeah, nailed it. And if you want a pilot like that, you should look to New World species of bats. Okay, so researchers, we're wondering, if bats get drunk, can they still echo? Okay, that's a great question to ask. Yeah, like these researchers just probably vapin and be like, man drunk bats, could they still use their little quickie things?

I imagine it's a guy sitting next to his friend in the car spending ten minutes to get Google Maps to work. Like, I got it. I'm so good at this. I bet I'm better than bats at this. So they collected about a hundred Belize native bats and either gave them sugar or ethanol. Uh. They measured the bats blood alcohol levels, and some of the bats had blood alcohol levels as high as like point three. I believe that's impressive. Yeah, I believe the limit is point zero zero eight to

drive zero. Um, I'm bad at the zeros at three you are, yeah, you are not just drunk, but like flammable. Yeah yeah, a tinder box. Maybe you need to go to the hospital. If you're in California, you'll start a fire. Yeah. So they're like, all right, they're good and drunk now. Then they set them loose on an obstacle course. This is my kind of science. It's like now a physical challenge go and to their great surprise, is the bats nailed it. They did. They there was no significant impairment

either in their echolocation or their ability to navigate this obstacle. Course, so we should let hordes of bats loose on planes and hope they hit the one button. Yes, yes, yes, okay, do that? Yes, yes, yes, board yes. So this isn't the case for all bats. Some bats will get drunk and then just not not be good at flying anymore. But apparently with the New World bats, they have a

really high tolerance. You run into a lot of cases of animals that like seek out out like it's it's a sensible evolutionary strategy to seek out alcohol in fruit because of fruit to start a to ferment that it means that it's at its most calorically dense because it's not it it's the ripest it's going to get. Which

is why I like. There's this animal, the pintailed tree shrew, which is like a mammal that scientists think is pretty close to like one of the common ancestor species that humans and ape share, like the early primates um and they will drink all day every day because they drink this fruit that ferments really really quickly, the palm nectar um. But they don't get drunk. But they we think that, like scientists think that some animal like them seeking out

alcohol because it had a shipload of calories. Is why human beings and monkeys can metabolize alcohol and get drunk off of it, because our bodies sort of adapted to take in more alcohol. And that's like, being getting wasted is a happy side effect, um, which is cool. It's a side effect to survival, survival of the lettucet hashtag darlin. Oh shit, that's good. Bats can hold their liquor. But what differentiates a lightweight from a beer pong master in humans?

It turns out there's something of a drunk gene. Researchers have found out that alcohol taller in experience can be linked to differences in the c y P two E y protein found in DNA, which might explain why you're gone after a single beer, whereas others can drink five shots off an ice luge. But being a lightweight actually has its benefits. Those that have a greater tolerance for alcohol are at a greater risk of developing alcoholism, while a link between the c y P two E one

protein and alcoholism has not yet been established. There's a possibility that further research could open up new avenues for treatment through gene therapy. Kay, bro hold my beer. We're gonna do a few messages and we'll return to the part A. Snopes, the Internet rumored debunking website, has a treasure trove of drug related mints. Some of my favorites are school kids crushing up bedbugs and smoking or injecting

them to get high. False. But what about this? Are kids rubbing birds bees lip bomb on their eyelets to get high, which the kids dubbed beason both? What about sham boiling our kids boiling shampoo and inhaling the fumes to get high? Well, no, they're not. What about this? Did excessive? Ellis? Do you leave a young man in a psychiatric hospital with a delusion that he was a glass of orange juice where his biggest fears that someone will drink him? Well, that one's unconfirmed, so we may

never know whether it's true. But there are real ways in which people and animals will endure the extreme in the name of getting high. I talked to Robert about some of the strangest substances he's tried in the name of researching his book, and we unveiled the animals for in desperate need of an intervention, Robert, I have a

hypothetical question for you that might be upsetting. Okay, what if we could have booze in a pill and like a synthetic booze, or even just a drink that's synthetic, like in Star Trek where they have sent the hall. I knew it. I knew it. That's one of I love Star Trek the Next Generation. It's a magical show, but it has a lot of dumb things. The dumbest thing in the show other than that time Riker and his dad fight in weird ass future gladiator suits fights.

That's such a bad um is synthe hall? What? It just sounds like nonsense the way the show. It's just alcohol that you can decide to be sober from. Well no, so it's alcohol that has no bad effects. So you can't get alcohol poisoning, you can't get like too drunk, you can't get cirrhosis of the liver, you know, I guess you won't. What does it do? I don't know, Like it prevents you from drunk texting your ex a bunch of Wiener pictures or something. I'm not sure. Not

a future I want to live in. But I mean like you sound like a I don't want to say Scottie because I feel like that's no longer correct. But you know, he was like the Transporter guy, okay in the original series he was he was drunk all the time. Yeah, and like and he was in the T and G the Next Generation and they're like, here's some Syntha Hall and he's in his Scottish brogue. He's like, no, he was so pissed. Yeah, because it's it's garbage. I cannot

drink it's nonsense. That's such a bad Scottish Yeah, that was a clearly Russian. I can't help it my conditioning. So you're you're not on board, And I wonder how many people would be on board with synthetic alcohol. No, it's okay. If you want to see how people would have to cope with being in space for long periods of time, look at how they coped with being at sea for long periods of time. Coming sex with manatees. That's one, right, it's one part. You're gonna need to

bring some manities into space for fucking Yeah. But number two is rum, and I just I don't buy a few space navy without rum. That's just a vehicle for sex with the manity. Well, okay, so the British Navy was famously able to function because of rum sodomy in the lash, So Star Trek the next generation, you've got the sodomy lockdown. I mean that's just clear looking at the way just Data and Jordy look at each other.

But Rum is missing because Syntha Hall is not going to fill that hole in their hearts, and neither is Picard's flute playing it. What is it about? Real? Like if if the taste is exactly the same and the effect the pleasant effects are the same, but you just can't get the negative effects? Is it? Is it just because like without that risk, it's just like it's it's just too fake. It's it'd be like it's like bowling with the guardrails up where you get a strike but

it doesn't feel good. Well, yeah, the most fun things always involved some sort of risk them ending terribly right, um, which is why people love the ski Like it's exciting and you can die. But yeah, so like if alcohol

can't hurt you, then it's less exciting. But also, like I don't know, I feel like these the lame future people in Star Trek the next Generation say it's it tastes the same, But I feel it's the same as like going to a party and like someone handing me a mock tail and being like it tastes just like a whiskey sour, Like, yeah, it doesn't. Yeah, it's just lemon juice. What if we what if we spice up the deal and say that this this synthe hal also

somehow simulates the experience of sex. What yeah, well, like like miss An episode, No no, no, no, Well maybe, but like you know, like in Futurama, that episode where everybody's having sex with robots and then the human race goes extinct. Yes, do you think if we had sex and pillform that would happen? I mean that's the best case scenario for the future. Well, we'd go out, it's a lot of fun, and then we'd stop harassing animals.

I feel like our best case scenarios we invent a super intelligent AI that's self sustaining, and then it gives us sex pills and discards us like a cocoon. That's that's like my hope for the future of our race. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that's such a more. That's that's like a really humane way for the robots to take over. Like in the matrix, just have a sex matrix. We would know Max, and he's like, no, why would you fight against this? No, one would try to wake

up from the fun matrix. No, you're totally free to leave, but like you gotta pay taxes and stuff like No, nope, back to the fu matrix. Yeah, well, so this is not just pleasant hypothetical um meandering. Uh. You know how insects they like to drink booze. Uh, there's theories that they it helps with their spermatophores, which are these like protein capsules that they transfer along with their Yeah yeah, yeah,

protein capsules. Yeah, So they transfer it to the female along with their sperm during copulation in it provides nutrition and drinking booze, you know, like gives them some kind of nutritional boosts, like you were saying earlier, and so they think that maybe that's why. But they found that so these researchers made like this synthetic booze sex thing. It combined, Like it both replaced sex and booze for

these fruit flies. So when male fruit flies are sexually rejected, they will turn to booze more often to heal their emotional wounds and all of us. And uh, the study just like following these poor like uh unlaid fruit flies and saying like how much they drink? And you know, it's very very relatable. But the crazy part is so they suspected that maybe it was because, um, after they have sex, they get this spike in neuropeptide F and drinking alcohol triggers that neuropeptide F. So it's the next

best thing to actual love and physical contact. Um, And that's how I would describe alcohol. Yeah. Yeah, and then artificial simulation of neuropeptide F. So this is not alcohol, this is not sex. This is a crazy creepy science thing that they give to the fruit flies. It stops them from seeking out alcohol. Um, so like replicates the rewards gained from either having sex or drinking booze, so that these rejected fruit flies are like like, once they

get this neuropeptide F, they don't feel they need to drink. Well, I mean we're that's clearly inevitable. That like, science will figure out a way too with the push of a button and maybe the stimulation of a couple of chemicals make you as happy as you are in the arms of a person you love, like walking through Disneyland as a six year old with your parents back before they split up. Right, That's that's inevitable. It's going to happen.

It's going to collapse everything that we know, and either robots will take over or we'll just funk ourselves to death. I didn't actually see that. They did a study to see if giving them the narrow peptide f stops them from having sex, and I would really like to see that, especially if you do it to mosquitoes or something else we don't like, because then we could like make animals

go extinct even easier. Yeah, boy, that's one of those like, yeah, why not why not release it into the air, like it could be like in Snow Piercer, how they like freeze the whole planet trying to fix it. What if we just flood the whole planet's atmosphere with this happy, fun chemical and everything just sort of goes to bed

and dies. That sounds like a much nicer way than freezing the earth, like a much nicer way than what's going to happen other right, right, Like maybe we could just have this failsafe like like here, here's the fun bomb, Like like we're gonna die anyways, might as well have it be nice. Yeah, Look, the world's got maybe two years left. We're gonna sit off the fun bomb. It's

it's fine. Yeah, And everyone's like probably like at first it's like, oh, but I want to live, But as soon as that fun bomb goes off, it's like, yeah, all right, you know what. This is fine, This is fine. Um. And so here's the cool thing is that researchers are starting to link neuropeptides to alcohol intake and humans as well. So we are so close to this funck bomb becoming a reality. That's always been the dream. Yeah it is. It's it's the goal. It's what we have done from

our earliest bone wielding days to now. Um. And there is a champion of this cause, David Nutt, who great name for a champion of any cause. Oh he's got the perfect name to be a contentious neuro psycho pharmacologist Dr Nut Dr Nut Mr Doctor Nut. He Okay. So he was on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs in the UK, and he was relieved of his position after he said that horse riding is more dangerous

than ecstasy. Oh this guy, Yeah, he's totally right. Yeah, I mean he's because also, horseback riding is incredibly dangerous. You can snap like a twig on a horse. We just get kicked trying to that. Horse falls asleep, falls on you. You're done, your ribs smashed in. But the British really take their questionnaians, I don't know that a question equestrian ism. There we go. I'm smart, I know words.

They take it super seriously and it was very offensive to them that they would make this unfavorable comparison between ecstasy and horses. But I loved in their comments about it. I was like, they're like, oh, this is such an such an uh, you know, inappropriate comparison. But they didn't like mention like that. He was saying to see is better than horses. Yeah, don't do drugs, but also don't

do horses. That's That's what I'm going to legally safely say. Anyways, David Nutt is studying Benzo diazepines, which I knew you'd like it. Benzos yeah, um, so they're found in valium, and valium is just Lovely's and valium is found in Mexico and in mother's coffee. Uh um. So he's seeing if he can replicate the pleasant effects of alcohol all avoiding the dangerous side effects. Um, and he's He's also saying that benzos can be switched off with an antidote hill,

which would be so great for Russian pilots. Just like, get real drunk on benzos, then turn it off before your flight when people get fussy. See that sounds like the real cynthe Hale is not change alcohol, but just add a little switch inside people's heads, like oh I gotta be sober now and then you're good. You should make it external though, so other people can operate, see

whether or not, like red light green light? Okay, Like no, you gotta you gotta switch off man remote controlled, Like yeah, I know you spent forty dollars on vodka shots last night, but you really gotta, like there's a plane to be flown. So Robert, this is my favorite part because I get to ask you, um, how far have you gone to test out getting high. I mean in terms of danger

or in terms of distance. Yes, okay. So in my book, one of the last or the last chapter is about there's this drug I read about on Cracked years and years ago called salamander brandy that is a local beverage to Slovenia, and Slovenia is a tiny little Balkan nation of like two two million people, some very very tiny country you can drive across in two hours. Um. So they have this drink that's made from drowning a salamander

to death in brandy. Yeah, it's horrible. It's a horrible process, and the salamander as it's drowning, releases a shipload of poison. And according a guy named Blaje, who was like a Slovenian Slovenia hunter, s Thompson's kind of how I would describe him. Um. He wrote an article in the nineties for a magazine called Latina about his experiences on salamander brandy and claimed that it caused spontaneous, uncontrollable sexual attraction to inanimate objects that he wanted to fund trees on it.

Like it just got him so lit that he was like couldn't stop, like trying to get his hands on a local tree. I mean, it's a belief of this podcast that trees are very sexy. Well, then you would agree with this brandy, or at least the mythical brand would. Well maybe may not. I mean I traveled there and I spent like eight or nine days trying to track

down salamander brandy. When all over I found a bunch of different brandy makers and saw their stills, and they drank a lot of terrible Slovenian Like I had human brandy, which is unbelievably bad. Um. I had some very good honey brandy too, but like, I've never had anything as bad as human That sounds so bad. They kept giving us free bottles of human liquor. What do we what do we do with trying to get rid of that? Yeah, because it's the worst idea one's ever had. Um. But

I couldn't find the salamander brandy. So I headed home and I learned as I was like desperately trying to find someone who brought some of this stuff to the States and who could maybe get me some, I found out that you can just buy the kind of salamans that they have over there, and so I had one delivered to my door and they sent it to me within like yeah, sound well, no okay. So I was like,

I'm not I love amphibians and reptiles. I've had them since I was a kid, frogs and turtles, and I'm not going to murder a little animal to get drunk. So I got him. I set him up in like

a cage and everything like. I got him like a good habitat, and I let it give him about thirty days to settle in, and then once every three days, I would I would wash off a pair of non latex gloves um, and I would pick him up and I would massage his poison glands until he secreted poison onto my hand and then I would put him back in the cage and let him rest for a couple

of days. And they do. And I did that like a dozen times until I had uh oh, and I would wash the gloves off with liquor um, and then I simmered it all once I had about a pint's worth, and then I drank all of that in the course of I don't know, twenty or thirty minutes, and I didn't feel spontaneously attracted to animals. But it almost paralyzed my legs, Like I couldn't walk for a while. I was, I was like wobbly. Fourteen or fifteen hours later, Um,

I had like terrible motor cord nation. It was just like like and there's some paralytic agents inside the poison. So I was like, Okay, maybe that's what was going on. But that's yeah. I don't want to endorse this, but I feel like maybe if you had drowned the salamander, maybe you would have been attracted to inanimate objects like you didn't do it, right, That's that's possible. I I I can't confirm that because I wasn't able to find any of it. Um, not like you could walk towards

like the chair you were suddenly interested in. Yeah, if I wanted to suck the chair, I probably couldn't have made my way over to it. So was it pleasant or like? No, oh no, she didn't kill it. Yeah, No, he's still alive as far as I know. I gave him to a biology student at a local university, so he's he found a good home. That's great. Yeah, he's like a biology student of like like dissection. I mean, it's Humboldt States, and he's probably a hippie kid, right yeah.

Um so so it wasn't pleasant, and I wouldn't say something were you in danger, like do you think could have killed you? I mean maybe if I'd had more. It certainly wasn't good. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Yeah, So don't don't do salamanders, don't do horses maybe, but you didn't hear it from me. Don't do wink ecstasy, but don't seriously don't do it legally speaking. So what's a rat parents worst nightmare? It's not drug pushers, it's scientists.

There are tons of studies that look at the effects of drugs on rats, but the hope that it may treat human addiction. But these dastardly drug lord scientists haven't been able to offload their drugs on non mammals until just recently. Neuroscientists at the University of Scranton have gotten ants addicted to morphine. The studies senior author Mark Sade says, we can addict individual ants and see how that affects the ants social network, which is somewhat like humans. The

study found that after developing an addiction to morphine. The ants even preferred it to sugar, and ants are like crazy for sugar. Then, because the study wouldn't be complete without a torture porn element, the researchers removed the ant's brains and measured higher amounts of dopamine, and dopamine indicates a similar response in ants as in humans to the morphine. Not content to stop there, the next step in their research is to see if they can tear apart the

fabric of ant society by introducing a morphine epidemic. We need to take a quick break to hold an antervention. In the meantime, here's a message back soon. So my favorite song from West Side Story is Officer krup Key. I remember it being shown in a history of psychiatry class. It was meant to illustrate how mental hygiene and juvenile delinquents had entered the public conscious this But is there truth to the idea that young people are more susceptible

to being troublemakers? Can we find examples of young punk animals? Robert and I discussed the science on whether the kids are all right? And we find a rather literal example in the wild of the jets versus the sharks, except it's otters versus the sharks, and spoiler, the sharks usually win and we are back. Um. So Robert was just telling me about how salamander juice booze was not a fun time, and like, I feel worse for the salamanders that get drowned to make the booze. But it's also

a little bit strange. I feel like for that salamander to just get like massaged for his juices. I mean, like it it sounds kind of okay, but also just like just a little like did he make eye contact with you ever? And was it like super awkward? He certainly didn't understand what was happening salamander, right, But you know, I don't know. It's one of those I'm not going to claim that like it was an act of goodness to missogyn for his poison. Um, it was necessary for science.

I mean it affects me at a deep personal level because when I was a kid, I read this book called The Chocolate Fever where the kid eats so much chocolate he breaks out in a chocolate rash and people are trying to lick them and like dogs, Yeah, and dogs like chase after him, trying to lick them, which is really horrifying because first of all, chocolate is poisoned to dogs. Dogs I don't know. I think dogs just

love chocolate and they don't know any better. So so it's like dogs are chasing them, but if he lets them catch them, he gets mauled and the dogs die. It's the worst thing. But that book like gave me nightmares, just the idea of like someone like, Wow, your skin looks delicious, I'm gonna lick it. And so I feel a lot of sympathy for your salamander, but also, uh for toads, because you know, the whole toad licking thing, it's not it's not purely an urban legend, although there

are aspects to it that are sort of apocryphal. But like, yeah, you can get high from licking cane toads, well, not from licking them. You gotta scrape the poison, you gotta um. Well, you can't. You can't chew on them. You can suck on them and get it. I'm pretty sure I've never heard that, but you may be right. Well I've always heard you had to. It's like it's a d M T. That's in there right right, Yeah, it's five m e

O d mt. I think yeah. And I've always heard that you had to you had to get the poison and then you had to dry it and then you would like basically smoke it in a crack pipe. That may be true for humans. Um. For dogs, they just go go full ham on that toad and just start chewing on it. So in um and humans, it's not really that big of a problem. Like teens aren't doing

toad pods, they're just like, uh, you know that. There's a professor are of Tropical and Emerging Infectious Diseases, the same Spark Cury, who claims that there have been a lot of deaths and other parts of the world from people trying to use cane tone venom for recreational purposes, and he's doing research into like how snakes are able to survive it and for a possible antidote. But that's not I think that's probably what you're saying. I don't

think that's toad licking. I think that's that's they're just using the venom and processing it. Um. But there aren't any There haven't been any deaths in Australia from cane toad licking. But there have been deaths in dogs because they will they love them. They like they just picked them up in their mouths and they start like chewing on them and slow fat treat and they get super high. And I mean it's sad because there have been fifty

reported dog deaths a year in Australia. But like there are some more lighthearted ones where it's like, there's this family whose dog Lady was caught sucking toads all the time. And they said, and this is a quote, we noticed lady spending an awful lot of time down by the pond in our backyard. And then they say, she finally staggered over to me from the cat tails. She looked up at me, leaned her head over and opened her mouth like she was going to throw up, and out

plopped this disgusting toad. She had the whole toad in her mouth. But they're big, right, Oh yeah, cane toes are big. They're they're like the size of a large well, they're bigger than a rat. I think, do we have a picture of this lady's mouth. This is a dog named sorry that no, no, this is a dog named

Lady Dog named lady. Okay, total sense. This lady just like spending a lot of time by the pond shoving entire toads in her m. That's why I imagine it like it almost Twilight Zone thing, like woman walks up to you from your backyard and you're like, there's something wrong, am giant. That sounds like a David Lynch thing, and I don't like it. Yeah, that's that was in fact in the New Twin peaks like that frog thing crawls into that chick's mouth. I haven't watched any of the Twin.

David Lynch, you stinker, And I drink his coffee sometimes, David Lynch, it's called David Lynch coffee. Is it like weird with vague references to Native American? It's just good coffee. I think David Lynch just likes coffee and has a coffee. So fugu fish, Robert tried to uh no, but I watched the Simpsons episode. Yes, I believe we all have.

So there's the episode where Homer eats the fugu fish, which a fugu fish is a puffer fish and they're extremely toxic, but parts of the fish are very good sushi. And in the episode, which is racist. It is a racist episodes, thanks the Simpsons. Like, the chef is just like some intern and he doesn't know what he's doing my business. That's well, that part's not racist. No, having sex with Kribopple is just a it's just a natural thing.

But like, um, uh so in the in the episode, he may have eaten it, but they're not sure because this inexperienced chef prepares it and so the doctors like, you probably have only forty eight hours to live, and uh, but that's just that's not how it works. I mean, people do occasionally die from it, but very occasionally. They're From two thousand and four to two thirteen, there were only twelve deaths from eating food goo. And there's a treatment for it, which is you go to the hospital.

They keep your respiratory and circulatory systems going until you can get the poison out of your system the natural way. Yeah, and then you're only what a quarter million dollars in debt. Yeah, that's great. I don't know how healthcare works like in Japan, it's it's way better, and I'm sure it is. Yeah, um, but it is scary because the toxin paralyzes you while you remain fully conscious and you eventually die from asphyxiation being unable to breathe. So it's method of action is

similar to Sarah gas. Yeah cool, but in a fish that's hip. Yeah yeah, And but you know you can go to a hospital, but there are no dolphin hospitals, and dolphins are having the reef madness. Wait our dolphins getting high off of puffer fish. It's fantastic. Ya. It's like it's like living heroin if you get high up. It's because it's like a ball. It's like a ball of needles you find on the ground and you're just like, oh, this is a living ball of needles. I'm gonna rub

up against it. So they like play a little dolphin volleyball and then like and then researchers report seeing them lying around on the floor of the ocean in a catatonic state. Do we I mean, first off, that's amazing to be the puffer fish in that situation, because I imagine if you're an animal like a puffer fish, that means instant death to anything that touches you. You have a lot of confidence. It's like always having the Mario star.

And then like dolphins come into the picture. What is happening? Oh, can you imagine like zorbing and like so the zorb is one of those big orbs that you go into and it's like this like inflatable ball that you're in the center of. And then like having just like large marine animals like killer whales just like whooping you around an option for life, I hope, so make it happen. It sounds like you're describing a dream. No, no, I

mean the zorb is real. I don't think having killer whales boop you around while you are inside of the zorb is real. That feels like an oversight. Yeah, I mean like Tesla get on it. So yeah, that that does seem fun for both the dolphin and the puffer fish. Um Marine biologists Christie Wilcox uh says she's skeptical that dolphins are intentionally dragging themselves, but come on, of course they are. Come on fucking courses, get high, intentionally open

your eyes. I know they're your precious babies, but you know you got to have the talk with them, Like an animal doesn't have to be smart to when I get drunk. But we know that lots of like elephants will seek out alcohol and get wasted. Elephants will kill people to get access to their wine. Um so, like dolphins are smart, of course they intentional. I disagree with you, expert marine biologist Christie Wilcox. I'm calling you out. Well.

I feel like she might be an expert on animals, but she's not an expert on getting wrecked, right right, That is true. You need to be both. Um. So, she describes the pepper fish toxin as one and twenty thousand times as deadly as cocaine, four hundred thousands and times as deadly as meth, and more than fifty million times as deadly as th HC. Although we is t C deadly at all. I don't think it has an elderie fifty, which is like the amount of it that

you would have to take to die. I don't know if that's ever been determined, which is not to say that you couldn't. But I feel like fifty million maybe might do it. Fifty millions, fifty millions. My questioning here actually is okay, So she's saying that this poison is a hundred and twenty thousand times deadlier than cocaine and four hundred thousand times deadlier than meth, which means is she's saying, now, I'm not I'm not a smart man,

I'm not good at math. But is she saying that, like it seems like from her calculus then that she's saying that cocaine is a lot deadlier than meth. I mean that seems to be what the math math is saying. So I have some questions right off the bad because I I feel like, first off, having done both of those substances, like meth amphetamine is a way more powerful drug, and I feel like it kills a lot more people than just cocaine. Now, if we're comparing it to crack,

like they're on more of an even keel. Yeah, but maybe that's what she means. Maybe she's just too fancy to say crack. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I can't speak for marine biologist Christie Wilcox. Also, is it four hundred thousand times as fun as cocaine? I don't know. She didn't say. I would assume so though, like in a hundred and twenty would be a hundred and twenty thousand times more fun than cocaine and more fun than meth.

Cocaine is not very fun, but I feel like a hundred and twenty thousand times funner would be really fun. She also says, and this I think is more in her wheelhouse. She says it's tends tends to hundreds of times more lethal than the venoms of the most notorious animals in the world, including the widow spiders in the black mamba. It's more potent than VX, nerve gas, formaldehyde, or even rice, and it is quite literally one of

the most toxic compounds known to man. Okay, but none of this is her talking about how how fun it is to get high. No, she didn't say how fun it is, which makes me think it's really really fun. Or is it possible that it's just like dolphin chocolate, Like so, like we chocolate is great for us, it's delicious, but dogs die from it. Maybe they're fine taking this ship, but it kills everything else. Dogs is to chocolate is

to humans, as humans is to puffer fish is to dolphins. Yes, yeah, I feel like that's probably yeah, yeah, like they're just having the equivalent of a dr pepper, but to us it's instant death. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. I mean she didn't say any dolphins has has died from this. Maybe they have, but she didn't say. I mean, I feel like we nailed this and should get the credit. Yeah, nailed it. Yeah, so let's talk to the teens for a minute. Let's talk talk to something their teenagers here,

because I was not told that. No no, no no, um why why why do you mean to know? I don't like teenagers? Yeah, well I don't approve of them. Well you know that don't do teens? Teens stop being teens. We should have an island for teenagers and then a country for adults. Yeah, yeah, teen island. Can you imagine how sick and rad it would be to be on teen islands? I don't want to imagine. I just want

them to be locked away. Well, you know, so let's sell those teens all that dabbing, all the tide pod dabbing. Are talking about the dance move dabbing, the dance dab dance dab dance dabs that that the tanagers like to do. The tanagers do you do have the deb So like we we think they're just idiots, and I mean, like scientifically a little bit, but like we do overestimate their risk taking at least by one metric which is that when the risk is of something known like drugs or sex,

they overestimate how risky it is. So they think things and God bless our sex education. Um. But when they were pulled, it was found that teens think there's a sixty chance of a girl getting HIV if she's having sex. Uh, which is a little off because in the US the lifetime risk for women is only one in two and forty one. I feel like that's as much an indictment of our mathematics classes as it is of our sex. Yeah. Yeah, math, math and sex. My history teacher was my sex, said teacher,

and like, no, no, no, I'm sorry. My economics teacher was my sex, said teacher. And you would like pop in a John Stossel And I'm like, are we learning about sex or economics? I can't tell they're stuff. Um. So, I mean teens are big risk takers, but like when the outcome is unknown own, Uh, they are much more likely to want to take risks. And also, um, wild teens are still the biggest binge drinking demographic. The rates of alcohol consumption amongst teens have been going down for

at least a decade. Um. Yeah, and I liked how the authors of the article is like, is it social media? Maybe? I mean, it's like, there's a lot of things happening right now that have never happened before, so you're gonna latch onto any of those. But you could also be like, is it tide pods? Probably the tide tide pods has replaced millennials are killing the alcohol industry with the type pods. Um. So, conversely, alcohol consumption has been increasing amongst the baby boomer demographic,

especially especially for those who are educated. In our women so shout out to my smart old ladies getting crunk. Well, it's for for old women to get drunk and young women. I don't know if that's true. No, it is. It is. Um. It's safer to get drunk after you have had a kid because breast tissue continues to develop until the point at which you get pregnant and developing. That's why you don't want kids to drink, because developing tissue is more

likely to be affected. So you have a higher risk of breast cancer if you drink before your pregnancy as opposed to starting afterwards. Okay, okay, yeah, no that I didn't know that. That's that's really interesting. I wish you and told me that no, none of its goodness. Um well, that that is interesting. So they are. I guess they're just like it's time, it is time, time for the young corn. But I mean teens are still I mean they still do drink the most. It's just good. I

think it is good. Um yeah yeah, but like like you know, like catch them up, like my my final educated ladies, you know, beat them, take them down. I'm I feel like anything that's slows these kid liam they're all getting into politics now, you just gotta slow them down. Yeah. Yeah, drunk protesting, that doesn't once you're Once you've had a few drinks, you don't feel like being politically hacked out. That's what the n r a ot to do is give more money to whatever charity tries to get kids

to drink, be the National Rum Associated. There you go. Um So, teen animals, I'm sorry to say human teens are way more extreme than you. Um So. I believe you wrote about this in your book, But teen Vervet monkeys love alcohol and they prefer it over sugar water. And there are stories about people capturing monkeys by offering them rum and molasses and coconut shells. Did you write about this? I didn't write about vervet monkeys, but other monkeys have been found too. It's like a monkey thing.

They love. They love to get let yeah, and and like I just love that, like these these old timey people would put rum and molasses and coconut shells and like the monkeys get wasted. They just like pick up the monkeys and like the monkeys are like, dude, are you in my Huber's. I'm gonna be honest, that's almost certainly how we got aids. It's just people getting monkeys drunk and one of them is not quite drunk enof and bites you. I thought you were going away different

and I'm glad. Oh hey that's not um so uh but you know, so, you know, like with these like stupid challenges, like now there's the condom snorting challenge, which wait, no, okay, you're gonna have to catch me up on this one. Well, I don't actually know. I'm I am not eight eighteen teenagers, so I'm not really sure. I think it's like snorting. I think an unused condom. I don't know why, I don't know how or any of the details or even if it's a thing or if it's just Fox News

being like teenager. Yeah. I feel like there's two types of this thing, and one of them is like Oprah's Lipstick Parties, where it's never happened and like somebody just makes it up and it's such a good story for salacious news. And then there's like tide Pods, where like two people do it for a laugh and then it's like this is a craze that's hitting the country, like Anthony Jason, stop it, Yeah you too, but then everyone

else gets the rap for it. Yeah. Well, so imagine though that like the nude like tide Pods is like teenagers going to a really really dangerous part of the world, um like just like going to North Korea for spring break or something, which I'm actually not sure how dangerous that is for tourists. I mean, if you do it legally, it's perfect pretty safe as long as you don't try

to steal a banner, oh man. But like if they went there and they're like trying to like take down stairs, like griff feeding over statues, putting like weird little mustaches on propaganda posters, just like seeking out the most dangerous like active war zones that they can possibly go to and then snapchatting from it. It's just all these like teenage guys going like with sub snapchat here. I am like, sounds like there's some drones overhead anyways, like in subscribe.

I bet we could get logan Paul to do that and also solve our Logan Paul problems. Birds with one stone. Yeah, I know some places we should send Logan Paul um so obnoxious. Yeah, I it makes totals like dangerous. Stuff is fun. It's always been fun, and it's probably always like that's why. That's why some groups of human beings left. Like you look at like early human life and like eastern Eastern Africa where like the first people were. It's like it's nice, you got all the food you need,

you pick it up. Like there's some animals you gotta worry about, but like it's a pretty chill life. You only have to work a couple of hours a day. But like some people are like you know that play it's like across the ocean that always looks like it's stormy and cold and miserable. I bet, I bet it's cool. Yeah, yeah,

I bet it's dangerous and then chicks will be impressed. Well, that's definitely how otters feel, because teenage otters like to venture into the Triangle of Death, which is so metal sounding, oh my god, and it's it's just teenage boy otters, like like juvenile male otters who go to this triangle and it is in fact a death triangle because it's full, it's in the ocean south of San Francisco Bay. It's full of great white sharks, strong currents, sharp rocks, and

it's riddled with ti ganda. Yeah, it's a murder beach. Yeah, yeah, it's it's the death Triangle. And like conservationists don't find adult otters, they don't find baby otters because the moms are like holding their lily ends because otters are so cute. Um, But like teenage punk otters are going in like male otters too. Apparently the female otters are just like not having any of it, but like they're they're the only ones that the conservationists tend to find in this uh

and like the death zone. Yeah, it's like the otter equivalent of Vice News going out there and yeah, yeah, it's just like like we just went into this pool of sharks and chicken out and they're like and they're like stupid little like like hipster uniforms. So otters like to risk danger like the rest of us. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's the auto equivalent of joining the marine corps, like sharp rocks and sharks. Yeah, Ti Ganda. Yeah,

is that the same thing that cats have. Yeah, it's the thing that rats get that makes them like cats. So that's fun. It is fun. Yeah, that would be like the thing to do if you could go back in time to like really upset the military history. It's just like air drop a bunch of cats on the like the Mongols, and then be like they can't fight, so get no more. Didn't some group of people do the thing where they strap bombs to cats, Like I

think we've tried to weaponize cats a few times. The US tried a thing where they wanted to strap bombs to pigeons and drop hundreds of thousands of pigeons on Tokyo and then the pigeons would hide in houses and ignite. But then we figured out a nuke and that was that's worse. But the other one's pretty bad too. I mean, there's they're morally different because like one of them involves murdering a bunch of animals to murder a bunch of people, and one of them is just murdering more people for

a longer period of time. I would still have to say the non pigeons one is worse, which sounds really bad because the first one is still They're both bad. It's not a contest. Yeah, but only one of them would get protested by Peter Harsh but true. Yeah, um yeah, I mean I thought someone tried to do like a surveillance with cats once to I mean they may have, and then like the cat just like immediately got hit by a car. I feel like any plan that involves a cat doing a thing that is not whatever the

cat wants to do. No, don't invest your military box into cats, guys. How should we go about dealing with human teens? Is there a way to curb their risky behavior? A lot of our culture seems to believe in scaring the crap out of kids to get them to stop risky behaviors, terrifying p s a s or movies like Red Asphalt, but the goal of showing so much gore and terror kids will be too scared to do anything stupid, But does this actually help? Researchers looked at Scared Straight,

a prison visitation program. It right and young people away from engaging in criminal activity by showing them unsettling consequences. But not only did the program fail to reduce the numbers of juvenile offenders, it actually seemed to increase them, ranging from two to five across a number of studies. So what can adults do? One study suggested that open communication with parents reduced the amount of sexual risk taking

in teens. So, as uncomfortable as it is, a frank, honest discussion about the birds and the bees might be the only way to go about it. Speaking of birds, scientists created some daredevil finches in the lab. They bred a line of finches who naturally produced more portosome, which is a stress hormone, in response to startling situations. These high level stress hormone birds took greater risks and were

bolder in exploring new environments to find seed. The scientists would also test their braveness by startling them with food dishes that would snap closed, and found out that the hero birds weren't so easily scared off. So let me get this straight. Scientists have created fearless birds, whom they repeatedly tormented, thus giving them a motivation for revenge. Uh, let it be known that I've never done anything to betray bird kind and will gladly offer bread in exchange

for my life. So, Robert, is there an you know we could follow you? You can find me on the twitters at at I right, okay, um, that's my Twitter okay to letters. And you can find my book on Amazon. It's called A Brief History of Vice and you can buy it and be my friend. It's really it's really great. And also check out Robert's new podcast. Oh yes, by this, I don't know when this episode is coming out, It might be might just everyone's heard of it and everyone

loves it. And I'm just sound like a real lame, like I mean, fingers crossed. But my new podcast is Behind the Bastards. It's gonna drop me first. There will

be a new episode every Tuesday. And yeah, we talked about stuff like like I said, Saddan Hussein's romance novel Career, the Mysteries of Osama, Mind, Lawton's porn Stash, Hitler's favorite young adult author, and just a bunch of other wacky ship about the worst people in history behind the bastards at Bastard's Pot On Twitter, We're all all around the Anna great so you can follow me on Twitter. Um. I am at Katie Golden and I am also at pro bird Writes, which is my bird sona um and

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