Welcome to Creature future production of I Heart Radio. I'm your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, we're talking about redheads, from red fur to red hair to red scales. We're seeing red in a whole new light. Discover this and more as we answer the age old question why are red pandas? Joining me today to talk until We're red in the face is video essayist, actor and writer
and friend of the show, Maggie may Fish. Welcome, Hello, Katie, Thank you us so much for having me on such an austachious episode. That austachious, it's I think that's like auspicious plus ostentatious. Maybe all right, a very exciting episode. My dear Katie, So you've you've actually seen the new movie, uh, Turning Red right, the new Pixar movie. Yes, yes, I
have not yet, so no spoilers, um. But it has something to do with a little girl turning into well a young lady perhaps turning into a red panda at times. And it looks adorable. Did you enjoy it? I was telling right before we started recording. It's one of my favorite Pixar movies that I've seen a hot second. Yeah, I loved it. That's great, that's great. Yeah, I mean, I promise this is not like a paid advertisement show.
I'm just really excited that there is a Pixar movie that features the Red Panda because they are adorable, adorable animals, amazing animals are adorable. And I will say this is no spoilers, but Red Panda's being adorable is a big part of the plot. I'm sold already, so I'm absolutely gonna see it. But yeah, I thought that with that movie out, I could do a show on the red
heads of the Animal Kingdom. So we'll start out with some facts about red pandas and then we're going to move on to some other animals that feature a red head. And a spoiler alert, you don't always need hair to be a red head. But yeah, So first let's start out with the fabulous red Panda. So quick facts about red Panta. First of all, most important fact is they're
incredibly cute. Just yes, number one scientific fact. Yeah, very cute. Yeah, there have been the whole papers written about how cute it is and how it's a little tootsy wood sees are just adorable. So, despite the fact that they are called red pandas, they are actually not related to giant pandas, those big lovable black and white bears. Giant pandas are in the bear family orsa Day, whereas red pandas are in the mist Doyla day family, which includes weasels, skunks,
and raccoons. So they are not Yeah, they're not really related to panda bears, the red pandas, even though they share a similar habitat. I knew about the raccoons, but I didn't even I didn't even think of weasels. But nobody ever thinks of the poor weasels on purpose. Yeah, I think of the weasels always. But yeah, So, even though they are in the same clayd as bears, they're actually more closely related to walruses than they are to bears. So yeah, not not very closely related to panda bear
is at all. And so just a quick sort of visual description of the red panda. I'm sure a lot of people have seen them because they are a striking animal, very cute. They have this stunning red fur, white tipped ears, eyebrows, cheeks, and muzzles. They have black rings, on their tail and black belly fur. There typically about the size of maybe a large house cat, but they can weigh up to around thirty pounds or fifteen kilograms, so they can get
you know, chubby and chicken. Maybe not as big as the red panda in the in the movie, but they are they they're they're cute, little little dudes. So what they do share with the giant panda is its habitats. So similar to the giant panda bear, they do live in China. Uh. There are also Himalayan subspecies of red panda. Oh I did not know that. Yeah, So they will live in bamboo and mixed forests. They are arboreal, meaning
they spend most of their time hanging out in trees. Also, similar to the giant panda, they have false thumbs that they can use to climb and grasp bamboo, and they also do like to eat bamboo. They are mostly herbivorous, and we'll eat bamboo leaves and shoots and use their little little thumbs not just to climb trees, but also to grab onto a piece of bamboo and pull it down to their mouth and chew on it. An impression, yes, and it was very convincing. I thought I was talking
to red panda. Actually, I've seen a red panda at the Sandy Ugo Zoo a couple of months ago. Um, and yeah, are just sleeping in the trees. They love to sleep. It's like their favorite thing to do. They're actually nocturnal crepuscular, meaning they are most active in twilight and at night. Um. But during the day they love to sleep and they'll just hang out in a tree, like with their little feet just dangling down, splayed out. Um. And when it gets cold, they actually can survive in
in cold temperatures, like in in snowy areas. What they'll do is they're still sleeping in the tree, but they'll curl up into a little ball and use that big fluffy tail as a blanket to cover themselves, so they're nice and cozy, don't I just I love I love the commitment to tree naps in these little dudes. It's
just total commitment to the sleepy tree lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah, it really makes a person wanna do the same, large tree, live there for as long as possible, just dangling, and it would seem like they'd be sitting ducks lying in those trees. Taking all these naps because they're that bright red coloration, and so like, oh, well, wouldn't some kind
of predator just go and grab them. But actually they do have a form of camouflage because in these trees that they like to sleep, they the trees often host big clusters of this rusty brown moss, this kind of reddish brown moss, and it's just kind of dangles from these trees and big clumps, and so the red panda when it's dangling and napping, kind of looks like a
big clump of moss. WHOA, Okay, that means I was about to have I didn't want to ask you too many questions, Katy, but I was going to ask you know, yeah, how can they send a tree all day? That's wild? I did not know that. I mean, first of all, you can ask me all the questions you want. I should not have held back. Yeah. So um. And one of the reasons they do like to nap so much is that their metabolism is a little weird. Similar to
the panda, they actually take it. It's not so efficient for them to eat bamboo, even though it is a successful strategy because bamboo so plentiful. They actually have a carnivores gut, and they are not very efficient at eating vegetation. This is the same as the unrelated giant panda, who
also has a bear's car carnivores gut. Um, so giant panda's actually the bears have to eat their mother's poop when they're very young to get the right gut bioms so they can actually digest bamboo, and red pandas have a similar specific gut biom. I wasn't able to find any information on whether they eat their mother's poop. You would think that if they did that it would be known, but um, they do have to eat around of their weight in bamboo in order to extract enough energy from it,
and which seems like a lot. But they're actually a little more efficient than giant pandas because they're able. The red panda is able to digest around of the vegetation they eat, whereas giant pandas can only digest around sev of the vegetation vegetation. So yeah, yeah, red panda's much more efficient, much more productive, and they poop really fast too because they're digestive system. Yeah, oh good, good, Yes, I'm happy for them, honestly, not just note that is funny.
I mean there are I feel like humans include it, you know, as not being able to process lacta. There are so many things that you know, creatures aren't technically perfect for in their environment, but they still make do or find ways to adapt, right, us included soy milk. Yeah, I mean it is. It is really interesting because you look at how essentially it's very rare for a carnivore to kind of make that transition to vegetation, like the
red panda has um. The fact that the bamboo so plentiful means that it is it can create these evolutionary niches for animals to exploit, and so even if it's somewhat inefficient for them to digest it, the fact that there's just so much dang bamboo, it's like they're going to exploit that resource. Yeah, I feel like at that point, having even though only like of it gets digested, it's everywhere. So yeah, I mean, you know, it's like you know McDonald's,
technically you can't really digest it, but it's everywhere. It's everywhere, So of course I'm going to get so red pandas have diversified their diet a little more than the giant panda. They will also eat fruit, acorns, eggs, and even small animals such as birds or small mammals, but they really don't actively sort of like make that a huge part
of their diets. Just kind of opportunistic. Yeah, they just mostly like the lazy lifestyle of eating bamboo and sleeping a lot because they need to conserve their energy because it's such a such a difficult plant to digest in their little carnivore tummies. They're also kind of loaners. They're solitary.
Cubs will hang out with their moms for a while, but adults will mostly lead solitary lives, and so in order to mate, they actually need a few tricks in order to enter the dating pool actually find someone to mate with. One thing they do is make calls. So females will make this adorable sound when they are in the mood for romance that I will play for you right now, and that is called twittering that sounds like I have horse have goose like cute that very cute,
very cute horse goose sound that they're making. They will also leave piles of poop as calling cards for other eligible red panda bachelor's or bachelorettes to find. Remember when I said they actually poop really fast after eating. Uh, those piles of poop are sort of like an indication that they're nearby, because you know, the fresh pile of poop. Hey, you must have been here pretty pretty you know recently, so come find me. Yeah, it's like leaving your number
around exactly exactly. It's like, Hey, that that hot red panta just gave me your poop pile. I think I got a shot. Oh my god, go get her. We have to talk about baby red pandas. It's a necessity. They are extremely playful and full of energy. So Sarah Glass, a curator of the Red Panda exhibit at Knoxville Zoo, told Smithsonian Magazine that at six weeks old, red pandas reached the popcorn stage where they will randomly jump around, jump into walls, jump into each other. They just at
this age are rambunctious and extremely playful. Oh. They'll also stand up on their high pause and like hold their arms out and then pounce on their their parents as this kind of like a game, which they'll actually do as adults. Uh. If they are territorial, so they have this kind of like they're they're so cute. They're too cute to fight in a way that's scary. It's just like this standing and lunging kind of thing to try
to intimidate the other red panda away. Oh man. Yeah, it's like tries you might still look like an adorable stuffed animal. It's really it's like it's it's really like one of those bro fights, you know where the bro where it's a couple of bros and they're like, so like, you want to go, Bro, you want to go, But then they never go. They never really go because they're actually friends, you know, but yeah, you know, they gotta have a little posture, bro, Yeah I'll go. Bro. They
show each other, they're like tribal tats and everything. You're like, you know, but they they're never Their intention is never to really actually go. It's just, you know, just to
get that holographic Pokemon. The other one has one weird fact that we know about red pandas that I don't know why we need to know this, but we do, so I'm gonna tell you is that red pandas are the only known non primate that is able to taste artificial sweetener, uh, which researchers found out because they left out bowls of water sweeted with artificial sweetener versus plain water, and the red panda's preferred the bowls with the artificial
sweetener in it, so they can taste artificial sweetener. Well, there goes all my diet cokes, dandies. I hate the taste of a sparta What is it a sparta me or yeah, yeah, I know my partner, Yeah, I cannot stand it. Um, yeah, yeah, it's and I think it's a genetic thing where it's there's a like you just have a certain like taste receptor that can pick up on this kind of aftertaste that taste kind of nasty.
And so these researchers are saying there's like this genetic aspect in wild animals of whether or not they're able to taste artificial sweetener, just like in humans. Sometimes our taste buds are kind of different, and some people hate the taste of Brussels sprouts, some people love it, and that kind of there's like this difference in the way that we can perceive taste, and that's the same thing with animals as well. Um, but apparently the red Panta's
love a spotted meat, so they can have mine. Yeah. Oh, there we go. You know what, the world finds a way to balance itself out. Googlemats it from redhead to redhead. You can have my. Now we are going to talk about another stunning redhead in the animal kingdom, and this is the red Uakari, also known as the bald Uakari or the English monkey. Uh. These are New World monkeys of who not only have a marvelous red coat, but a bright red face that looks exactly like my face
after I've been out in the sun with no sunscreen. Uh, Maggie, do you are you able to like be out in the sun without getting a sunburn? Uh? Oh no, no actually uh in high school I was once sun burned by the moon somehow burned. Yes, yes, very thin skin. Um, wear a lot of hats. Yeah so yes, I also deeply identify this monkey that I existed. Yes. Yeah, you have to wear sunscreen, folks, You just have to. It's so important. Mm hmmm you don't want to be called Rudolph.
It's also very important for your health. Um. But fortunately these red Uakaris are not sunburned. This is their natural pigmentation and it's totally healthy and uh, they actually find it very attractive. And so a little bit of info about these monkeys. They are found only in western regions of the Amazon in Brazil and Peru in var Zaiah forests and so these are forests that are floodplains near white water rivers and so during the wet season, during
the rainy season, these uh forests was actually flood. The bald uakari is a little monkeys's just a little little dudes. They will, Yeah, they kind of look like when you look at a picture of it, you kind of get the sense that they're kind of big, but that they're just really fluffy. They're super they've got this very shaggy furbit. In reality, they're only around eight pounds um, which is three point five um. They have that really shaggy red
coat and a stout little tail. So unlike a lot of primates, there are a few primates that have like, you know, no tail, but uh, in terms of a lot of monkeys will actually have a long, pre insile tail. But these monkeys, uh do have a tail, but it's really stubby. It's um, it's like it's not so short that it's like a bobcat length tail. It's a little longer than that, but it's not as long as typically a monkey's tail would be. And it's also super thick
and fluffy. It's adorable. Yeah, it looks like a furry beaver tail. It does, it really does. And they speaking of beavers, they have these very powerful jaws with these intimidating looking bulging fans um but these are not really used for predation. Their teeth form a comb that they can use to strip open hard, unripe fruit and pry open the shells of nuts. They love to eat nuts. That is one of their favorite foods, along with seeds.
Uh Sometimes they'll eat fruit, flowers or random stuff they find like animals, tiny animals or bugs, but that's mostly just like you know, they'll eat it if they find it. Yeah, exactly, you know. But uh So, during the flooding seasons, they spend all of their time in the tree tops, completely avoiding the ground because it's full of water and they
don't want to be in there. And so in the dry season they will sometimes come down from the trees to scavenge for seeds and other foods, but they really do prefer to be up in the trees, similar to the red pandas. Unlike the red pandas, however, they are highly social. They live in groups ranging from five They're highly she's waiting to she hears me, and she knows mm hmmm hm. They are highly social, living in groups ranging from five members to a hundred, which is yeah.
Can you you're looking at a picture of one of these beautiful red faced, bald faced beauties. It's just can you imagine a hundred of them hanging around in the tree tops? I cannot, but I can tell you that's a party I would want to be invited to. Yes, do you think they would welcome me as a straw very blonde? Or do you think I'm not? I gotta quite honestly, your hair does have the beautiful like copper color of their you know, the fluffiest parts of them.
So as long as you were sunburned, yeah, yeah, get a sunburn, which I usually try not to do to avoid skin cancer, but for the monkeys, maybe I'll do it. So um. Yeah. Being red in the face is not actually a sign of anger in these monkeys. This is a permanent coloration and it's actually an indicator of good health. Monkeys that are sick will often have a more pale, blanched face, so having that bright red face will make them attractive to mates. Um. Another thing they do to
make themselves attractive to mates. At least the females will produce their own perfume, uh sent that they use to attract males. So just you know, like, what is she who is she wearing? She's wearing herself. That's beautiful and very deep it is she doesn't need to change for anyone, Yeah, exactly. Um. So even though they're typically like pretty pretty sociable, they
will be territorial. So a group will claim a territory and they actually have like a core group of females that don't change territories, and they will be joined by males from that were born in another group. Smartene pool. Well, I mean it's it's kind of similar to the way this happens in various groups of social animals. So it's
similar to the way that lion prides actually work. In this case, they're actually multiple males that will come live with the female, so it's not like one male with a bunch of females or two you know, males with a bunch of females um. But with lions, typically the females will form sort of this core group that is relatively stable, and the daughters kind of stay and don't disperse, whereas the males that are born in that group will go off and disperse and start their own pride or
joined another pride. And uh So it's a similar thing with these monkeys, except that the there are multiple males in a group, and they'll you know, hang out in this territory. And then when males are born in this group, once they reach maturity, they'll go off and disperse and
join a different group somewhere else. Um. And in order to maintain their territory from possible other uakari who want to come in and uh steal their space, they will actually put on aggressive displays like puffing out their shaggy coats and wagging their little stubby tails and yelling. It honestly sounds really cute. I'm sure to be intimidating, just like the red pandas standing on their hind legs and
like holding their arms out. It's like, yeah, I know, like you're trying to tell me to go away, but it looks like you want to hug. I just want to scoop you up more. Yeah, do do not do that, but I understand the desire to do so so much. So, yes, it's a little guy. Yeah you're you're a You're a reptile fan, aren't you. I am, Yes, I love them. So yeah, uh, this we are talking about a red head that does not need hair to have a red head. This is the a gamma A gamma it is a
lizard found in sub Saharan Africa. Um. It is also known as the red headed rock gama. So these little guys are well, they're not that tiny, but they're not big. So they're around thirteen to thirty centimeters which is like five to eleven inches long. Males are generally larger than the females. Okay, that's bigger than I thought. Yeah they're they're not They're they're not little tiny like um, you know, little tiny lizards you find in your garden typically, But yeah,
they're they're a little bigger, but they're not huge. So they are insectivores who use uh, their tongue to be They have like this mucous gland on the end of their tongue and like use it to stick on to pray kind of like um, like a chameleon um, but it's a it's a short, shorter tongue, so they don't have the same kind of like whip like tongue that yeah, exactly,
but yeah, it's sticky, so it can trap insects. So the reason it's known as the red headed rock a gama is that dominant males have a bright red head, and uh, they also have this beautiful bright blue body. So females, juvenile males, and subordinate males have more of an olive green coloration. So adult males will have a blue body, but only the dominant males will have this bright red colored head, and their heads will actually change colors from all of two red if they become the
dominant male. WHOA, that's wild, like the whole visual of an animal changing just because of their position in their community exactly. Yeah. The fact that the politics can actually like you know, it is kind of funny, like you know, we have like you know, red and blue colors that are associated with politics, and then with these lizards, like their heads literally will turn red when they win a political battle. M O. So the dominant male is known as the cock. So h it is the only one
who is able to mate with females. So the cocks mating territory is usually centered around a display rock on which the cock will sits. The cock sits on the rock, uh, and it will cock on the rock and it will seduce females by bobbing its head and doing push ups. So very cocky indeed, yes, yes, how true to life. So subordinate males can only mate if they find their own territory or successfully knock the cock off his rock, fighting him and winning to gain his territory in mating opportunities.
The subordinate's head color will then change and he will become the new champion with the red head. Um And to try to deter a subordinate males from trying to take them on, dominant males will do the same kind of tough guy push ups, but in this case, instead of using it to flirt, they're using it to try to threaten these subordinate males. M hm. Threatening and flirting
are two sides of a similar coin. I mean, like, isn't that it's kind of you know when when someone like flexes, you know, it's like, uh, look how strong I am. It can be a form of flirtation with people, or it can be like a you know threat, like I'm really strong. Um, so it's like a threat to your your competition, but maybe to someone you're trying to seduce. It's not it's like saying, hey, check out these welcome
two tickets to the gun show. So, uh, they are able to quickly change the shape of these nano structures on their skin and the the krematophores and distribution of the pigmentation to be able to undergo this dramatic rapid color change. And their color can change not only based on sort of there you know position, their dominant position. It can also be based on temperature, season, mood. So yeah, these are these are the mood rings of the animal kingdom. Wow?
And so does it come from it comes from like inside the animal as opposed to like an external uh thing making them change color? Yeah? Will it in their
little hearts? Yeah? So it's I mean it's probably regulated with things like hormones that will trigger this this change in I mean you think about how like when you're embarrassed, right, you blush, and that is a physical change that happens on your body, but it is based on your your you get a sort of maybe a rush of adrenaline or something, and it makes you flush, it opens up
the blood vessels. Now for these lizards, it's a different mechanism where it's not so much that they're they're blushing, as it is these these cells that will form the color on their skin will undergo sort of a structural change that changes how the light hits it, and it also can change these way that the pigmentation is distributed. Uh.
These cells are called the chromatophores um. I don't think as much is known about how these specific lizards the mechanism works, but there are similar mechanisms that happen with say like chameleons, and that's how they can rapidly change their color. So it seems like it's probably a pretty similar mechanism. But yeah, it is is fascinating that a lizard can feel like like, oh, I'm I'm the king of the hell now, and so my face is going
to be red. Yes, it is something where it is not necessarily that they're thinking through I'm going to turn red now, but it is a physiological change similar to like if you're maybe scared or like, uh, you're watching a thriller or maybe even listening to a piece of music where you can get goose bumps. So like, that is a physical change on your body that is occurring just from how you're feeling, which is kind of crazy
when you think about it. Yeah, little guys feeling. It would be a lot easier to be a therapist if like your patients literally like turns the kind of colors that they were feeling, so you can be like, well, okay, so I see that your face is turning red, um, and your body is turning blue. So uh, not the cock off the rock. So before we go, we have to address a very important issue and that is the
mystery animal sound from last week. Every week I play a mystery animal sound and you out there, the audience, and you the gifts try to guess who's squawking. And I give you a little hint because I'm not I'm not mean, um, and you will try to guess who is making that sound. It can be any animal. It can be a fish, it can be a bird, it can be it can be a you know, a bear, anybody, doesn't matter what, any animal. With that said, uh, I will play for you this sound that we played last week.
And here is the hint. When you find out how this sound is produced. I'll bet I could knock you over with a feather, all right, where you're able to hear that little people? Yes, wow, Well, first of all, it was very relaxing. I felt like a spa. Okay, well, context clues. It sounds like it's any rainforest possibly type biome. Maybe mm hmmm like a toucan. No, okay, m hmm okay, that is my pick though, yes can. Well it's a very very interesting guess um that I'm not being I'm
not being descending. But congratulations to chat Joey, Pete, and Mary Andy who all correctly guessed the club winged mannequin. So, Maggie, you're not so hard. You got the right general class. You get it's a bird, so you're not too far off. But no, this is not a two can. It is the club winged mannequins. So, um, it is much smaller than a two can. It's actually a relatively small um tropical bird. Uh. It has you So you did guess correctly that it is in a tropical forest. It's not
necessarily a rainforest, but very similar. It's a cloud forest of central and South America. And speaking of redheads today, this little bird has at least the males have a bright red head. And they actually are not using their voice to make this sound. This sound is not coming out of their little beaks at all. It is using its feathers to make that little dude, what okay, you're right knocking over the feathers while how would you think a bird would make sound with their feathers, Maggie, Oh,
I don't know. At one of there's some sort of like water on their feathers or some sort of like other elements on it to make that noise when rupped together, like some kind of like percussive uh. And glands, some
glands the sound glands of the bird. Yeah, but it is, I mean, the confusion about it is legit because it is so strange, uh that it would be able to make this sound with its feathers and it it took a while for biologists even figure out that this was not a typical bird call from its syrinx the sort of the voice box of the bird. It is it's
feathers being vibrated. So yeah, the club wing mannequin has these modified flight feathers that feature ridges, and they have another modified flight feather that is really stiff with this curved tip, so it actually works like yeah, like a like a washboard in a spoon. And they will shake these feathers at a rate of a hundred times a second, and that will produce that musical sound. They're shaking their
tail feathers. They really are, I mean, technically it's actually their wing feathers, but you know, but yeah, it does it. Actually it kind of looks like it's shaking its tail feathers because to do this, it will actually kind of stick its butt up and then put its wings like kind of up behind itself. It's very cute and yeah, so it. But the weird thing is that in order to withstand such vigorous shaking, the mannequin has actually evolved solid bones. So, as you may know, birds actually have
um hollow bones. Most birds that can achieve flight have hollow hollow bones um to allow them to be light enough to be aerodynamic. But the mannequin how to get rid of those hollow bones otherwise when it shakes its wings like a little Morocca and break its bones. So it actually is a really bad flyer, really clumsy and not. It has traded in its ability to fly gracefully for the ability to be a little a little little Morocca
fair trade. I mean that that's pretty impressive. It is, and it's enough to impress the late club wing mannequins, and that is really all that matters. As long as they can survive predation and feed themselves. If they can impress the ladies enough, that means they will successfully reproduce, and this becomes a successful case of sexual selection. It's like me, I'm a I'm a bad driver, you know, but but he traded that in for my personality. And exactly,
you can't have both. You can't be a good driver and I have a personality. They are mutually explusive anyone. Yeah, So these birds are one of the only known non insects to use stridulation to produce sound like this. There are other non insects that do this, but yeah, they are rare insects. Often we'll do this like crickets. There are katie DIDs, um to kada's. A lot of insects use strigulation, but in terms of non in sect animals, vertebrates very rare. So this is a special, special bird.
So now onto this week's mystery animal. Sound, Uh, this is that animal who's squawking. Guess who's spoken. So this week's hint is this is another redhead with legs that go all the way up. So Maggie, what do you think? Wow? I mean that could be anything from like Kasmanian devil to an older monkey in my mind. Uh wow, Actually maybe some sort of bear, maybe like a sun bear. They're kind of reddish. M hmm, all right, that's gonna
be gonna go with that bad guess. Well, uh, you could be right or you could be totally wrong, but you will find out next week on the show next Wednesday. Uh. I love to leave a good cliffhanger. But Maggie, thank you so much for joining me today. Where can that people find you? This was so much fun. Thank you for asking me on this very austaciousous. I love that new word. Yes, you know what animal? New animals are invented all the time. Might as well invent some new
words while right? Uh yeah, If you wanna see me inventing other new words, you can follow me on Twitter, which is just my name Maggie may fish um and yeah, also over on YouTube. I do some fun film analyzes and we just did one on twin Peaks. Were talking all about red lighting, so speaking of red hoods and don't they have like a red room in that? Yeah? These do, yes, yeah, very thematically linked. We actually do that. We do have a couple episodes um that cover animal documentaries,
so well I'm gonna check those out. Let's get off this ding pod so I can check those out right now. Highly recommend Maggie's channel. Do check that out. And if you think you know the answer to this week's mystery animal sound, you can write to the podcast at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. I'm on the Internet of the other locations as well on Instagram at Creature Feature Pod, on Twitter at Creature feet Pod. That's f E A T not FT. How did something entirely different? H?
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