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which are dirty lies. I mean, I can't believe someone would just go on the Internet and lie. Will investigate claims of miniature great white sharks, decapitated heads coming back to life, unicorn dogs, and germophobic ringatans, and we'll find out that the truth behind these stories is more mind blowing than fiction. Discover this more as we answer the asul question what happens when the zebra becomes a fashion innovator. Joining me today are the hosts of even More News,

Internet Liars and podcast Truther's Katie Stolen, Cody Johnston. Great to be here, and that's maybe a lie. It is great to be here. One of them tells only lies and the other one sometimes lies a little bit. By the end of the episode, you'll get to guess which is which d or will you yes you will? Or will you? Oh? This is good? This is good. So you guys people, Okay, I'm gonna need you to sit down for this one. But sometimes people go on the

Internet and tell lies. No I get I get my information from the Internet, and i've it's always accurate, So I don't know what you're talking about. Well, it's it's a stunning thing to discover that sometimes the Internet, you know, it's not always a straight shooter. It doesn't always tell you the truth, which is I don't know. It really shocked me finding out about this as I was researching it last night, just researching Internet, does it lie? Sometimes?

The answer yeah, actually okay, But do you know if they're telling the truth on that, right? Can you trust that? Where'd you get that information from Wikipedia? My brains? Brains? Are you? Are you still getting your information? Because oh god? Twitter is okay? Right? My medula aubleing gotta But moving on, So, there have been a lot of viral stories about animals. I feel like, especially now, I think because we're all kind of stuck inside, like we want to connect to

the outside world. So seeing pictures of amazing animals is really appealing, and I do not blame anyone for that. I'm super into it as well. But let's pick through these viral stories and find out which ones are true and which ones are dirty lies from lying liar liar butts. So we're basically going to ruin animals to ruining animals today, ruining your dreams. That's the podcast. It's the Debbie Downer

podcast where I ruined everyone's dreams. No, some of these are true, and for some of these, the truth is actually more interesting than the Internet lies, so people will enjoy it. But we're not going to find out that like dogs aren't real or anything like that. Right, No, no, no, no, we won't. You promised me. Okay, you guys, I want you to become Internet sleuths and try to guess this one.

Have you guys seen this story on Twitter that there are miniature great white sharks that are just cute, tiny little great white sharks that look like little footballs with shark faces on them, and they are called salmon sharks, and it is a species of miniature great white shark looking sharks. Is this real. Is this photoshop? Are sharks cute? Now? What is going on? What would you guys guess? I would guess that it's a baby? Is your baby? My guess was also going to be your baby? And this

is where we get to look at your helpful slides. Right, Yes, Katie has provided us with pictures, and I'm looking at a picture of this adorable little shark. I guess a little toothy little guy. If I were just looking at it, I would guess that it it's a baby. Having never seen a baby shark before. Yeah, if I didn't even hear your intro, i'd be like, that's a picture of a baby shark. So you're saying that's a baby shark. Do do do do? Or do do? Do? Do do? Sharks? Baby,

it's a baby. So I hear you guys saying you think it's a baby great white shark? Right sure, yeah, yes, all right, I'm going with that. All right, you guys are very smart. This is actually it is a baby, but it is not a great white shark. So that was you're doing. So that was you're doing. Okay, we said baby shark, you had a great white shark? All right, Yeah,

shark words in your mouth you did. I had some hesitance because when you added the was it was my tone of voice when I was like, you guys think it's a baby, great idiot, it was. It was as pointed as these baby shark teeth, these little chump well, these are little chomp boys, and they are babies. You guys guessed it. But they are actually salmon sharks. So it it's true that these are salmon sharks, but these are not miniature great white sharks. These are baby salmon sharks,

and they are this cute. These are real photos. I love salmon sharks, and even though salmon sharks grow bigger than this, I still think they're adorable. So big they get, they get to be about six to eight feet, okay, so you're standard shark size. Um, yeah, but it's definitely smaller than a great white sharks. So really good thing. We didn't think it was a great white shark, Katie, good thing. Nobody here thought that. So so that means that they I did a real I did a real

straw shark. Except wait, no, we're not supposed to put straws in the ocean, God damn it. So they grow like I said about six to eight feet that's about two hundred to two hundred sixty centimeters. They weigh up to four hundred and ninety pounds, which is about two so yeah, you know, they turned from middle football size baby chomping boys, big old chomp boys, chomping men and women.

We're not sexist in this podcast. For comparison, great white sharks grow to be about eleven to sixteen feet and way from a thousand to a thousand seven hundred pounds, so that's up to about seven hundred seventys So generally speaking, great white sharks are about two times bigger than salmon sharks. So yeah, yeah, it's a It is interesting because Katie, like when you said that, like, oh, they're about standard

sharks size. That's kind of like what I was thinking when I was looking it up, and then I realized, well, wait, no, great white sharks are way bigger than that, and that is astounding. So salmon sharks are called salmon sharks because they love to murder salmon, which okay, yeah, are actually in the same order of sharks as the great white sharks, so they are cousins in a way. They're both mackerel sharks. And they are found in the northern Pacific Ocean. And yeah,

I think that they are pretty cute. Even as adults, they are pretty cute. Would you would you refer to like because salwi sharks are smaller and great white sharks, so you could technically call like a salmon shark like a baby great white shark, like a full grown salmon shark. Still like kind of like a baby different uh species

of shark reads a shark mate? Ever, I don't know of It should be technically possible, but I don't really know of any hybrid shark shark meal sharks there there could I feel like it's technically possible, I've just never heard of it. I just gave you a picture of an adult salmon shark so you can see it kind of retains its doofy little chomp boy face, which I think like its little I do too perfect for booping at that size any bigger, I wouldn't want to. Yeah. Also,

I guess I technically wouldn't want to boop that nose anyway. No, you probably don't. I mean, like in theory, I also want to boop it, and I want to hold it and pet it. But they wouldn't like it, and they probably feel a little bit of a chomp, you know. Yeah, well you gotta, you gotta. The boop has to be a fist, right, oh Jesus, just like you got coming at you, you pop its nose, right, Yeah, I certainly

wouldn't be doing that. Yeah, No, I would rather lose an arm than assault one of these cute little baby sharks. What if it's coming at you, though, you know, I probably deserve to get chomped. I mean that's just true, but hypothetical. All right, you just don't go swimming in shark terror. You get a tennis racket and you just kind of like, don't you know, I always bring my tennis racket with me when I'm swimming in the ocean. I love swinging things underwater. It's very I mean, they're

very aerodynamic. Sorry, hydrodynamic. God, I'm stupid. It is both depends on Yeah, that's true. True enough. So, the ones featured in the viral photos are baby salmon sharks, and just for the record, to add to the cuteness of it, baby sharks are called pups. They are they at all pups, and for salmon sharks, they're born in litters of around six, so lots of these cute, little, cute little pups being born. And also the salmon sharks, even adult ones, pose very

little threat to humans. In theory, they could definitely kill you, Like, it's not that they lack the ability, they just don't. They're not very aggressive, and there's just not that many recorded cases of them injuring people. They do they they do bite people. Usually it's an accident, though, Like there's very few actual attacks that have been reported. Most of them are someone waiting in shallows and then one of them like accidentally bonking into your leg and then kind

of nipping at you like a little chihuahua. Sure, yeah, cute little cut, little nibbles, cute little nibbles. And then I want to also address another shark kind of myth, maybe truth. Have you guys heard of the fact that sharks have to keep moving or they die. I feel like that's a pretty common I've heard that. Yeah, And this is it's an interesting thing because it's not completely false. But what people are thinking about when they think about the sharks have to move to live is sharks that

are called obligate ram ventilators. So that means sharks that have to keep moving in order to breathe for the water to pump through their gills. But actually, most sharks are not obligate ram ventilators, meaning they don't actually have to keep moving to breathe because they have muscles in their cheeks that pump the water. But the salmon sharks as well as great white sharks are some of the

few sharks that really are obligate raumd ventilators. They do actually have to keep moving in order to have the water flow over their gills where there is gas exchange that happens, and that's how they get oxygen so they can keep living. Exhausting my trusted Wait, so this might be a dumb question. How do they do things like rest? I mean, you know they don't. That's actually no, that's a very good question. They actually can kind of go into sort of a kind of half sleep state where

they're still moving very slowly, but they are resting. It's just like, I think that a lot of us can relate to this. Yeah, yeah, for sure, it's a very relatable. God, I want to be a salmon shark just going through the ocean, just as a baby, just a little angry little football, and then I grow up and I'm a big angry football and just chomping on things salmon. All those in mega fatty acids get something. There are sharks that are very tiny and never grow to be big.

In fact, the smallest shark, called the dwarf lantern shark, only grows to be about eight inches, so that's twenty cimeters. They're like this size, the length of a pencil. They is. It's not a baby. This is an adult. It's a puppy. It's a baby in terms of I want to hold it in a little in a little baby biorn, in terms of how old it is. No, No, it is an adult. I've been I've been listening this whole time.

It's a baby. No, it's an adult. They live near Colombia and Venezuela, and very little is known about them other than that they are probably the world's smallest sharks. I'm looking at this picture you've given us. Yes, does not look like a shark. It is. It looks like it looks like a grown anchovy. It does look like a grown anchovy with huge eyes. Yes, fish like Yes, I mean sharks sharks is fish? Yeah? Sure, I know so right, So like it's like, oh, that just looks

like a weird tiny fish. Um, so that makes sense. You said probably the smallest is there like other other other contenders and they just haven't found enough to judge or yeah, I mean so the pygmy shark is another really tiny shark that one only grows to be about ten inches or twenty long, and it lives all over

the world in deep oceans. So it's kind of it's like the difference between these sharks is kind of hard to say which one is the smallest, but it seems to be like the door flantern shark is like a couple inches yeah generally yeah, yeah, so's it seems it's just like, again, these are like deep sea sharks that we don't know that much about, so it's like the sample size of the sharks is pretty small, so it's

hard to say whether they really are the smallest. Sign shark is the smallest, or if there's like a species we don't even know about that's the smallest. I like in this picture that this tiny shark is definitely giving the camera person a side eye. Yes, he's like the are you doing bro? Put me down back in my world. Yeah, did I understand? Yeah, that shark has no idea what's going on? Right? I know only I only know Chomps. I don't know likes or retweets. What his retweet nonsense? Yeah,

I know what means ratio. Sorry, sorry Chomps and swim. No, they're not interested. Moving on to another fishy tail. Except it's not about a fish. It's about a cetacean, which is a marine mammal that includes orcas, whales, and dolphins. A cetacean cetacean station. Welcome to cetaceans. I don't know, Katie, why are you doing this? Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I think it's trying to hear T A C E Okay,

it ends like crustacean, probably right. I don't know. I'm not the strongest speller out louder, you know, like when someone's like spelled the I'm like, please leave me alone, ma'am. I just, I just I'm I'm somebody that's good learning audio, you know. But I need the combination of seeing it and I texted to you with the health spell check C E T A C E A N. I did it. That's what I said. Listener is that what I said, find out if I was right. All right, that's a

cool new monic. Actually, Cody, I had you on the show like two years ago and we talked about it was a much more of a downer episode because we talked about like undead animals or deal with death, so and we actually talked it was very spooled. Well, this is an update for you which we talked about. Do you remember that Orca that carried her dead calf around for like days because she was in mourning? Yeah, yeah,

I remember that. Yeah. Well but here's here's this viral story is claiming that drone footage has captured images of her and she is now pregnant again. I'm actually I'm not going to make you guys guess because that's just mean. This is true. This is absolutely true. So she's pregnant again. Yeah. Yeah, I felt I was gonna be like is it true or false? That just felt mean because yes, this is true.

So back in when I had Cody and I was like, hey, you want to come on Animal's podcast, He's like great, yes, sure. I was like, it's about dead animals, and yeah, I just made a lot of just a lot of zombie animals like corpses. Yeah, so happy for her, yes, So researchers are really optimistic, but also worried about her calf being healthy because fishing has reduced the chinook salmon population, one that killer whales rely upon for nutrition. Um, and

her pregnancy is a really big deal. So her population of killer whales, which live near the Canada Washington coast, so these are called Southern resident killer whales, her group is struggling. Their population is suffering a little bit. And when she had her calf back in the one that sadly passed away, it was the first successful pregnancy in her population in three years. So it's really sad, not just you know, because it's sad that the calf dive

is also sad for the conservation of these orcas. And so now three or thirty three years, three years, yes, but yeah, yeah, it's you definitely want more than one calf in a population every three years, like for to sustain the popular lation. So now fingers crossed, everyone's that

this new calf will make it. Of course, everyone's worried that, you know, like similar problems are gonna happen to this calf, but you know, we'll we'll see, this will be this will be something to cheer on, to hope, be hopeful about. How long do whales? How did they carry their babies? That's actually really good question, dead right, I mean, hey, you brought it up, so it's about, um, seventeen months, which is actually a bit longer, a long time. I've

never been pressing. I don't know. Um, yeah, but I imagine seventeen months would be a nightmare. Yeah yeah, I mean, like a lot of like bigger mammals, like elephants, to have these really long pregnancies to develop these giant babies. God, baby elephants are so cute. They are. We're not talking about me. We did last week. You just missed it. Were they cut? They were very cute. Did they paint stuff? Did they did they love each other? They loved each

other very much. Yes, the elephants love treating each other with respect. They do. They do the grandmas and ants. They all crowd around the new mom and and pet the baby. It's it's very cute. It's a good time. Go listen to that episode if you haven't already. So now, going from relatively happy, happy viral story to a little bit of a concerning one. There is this viral story claiming that a decapitated wolf eel head can bite you

and kill you with its venomous strike. And there is a video of aforementioned decapitated wolf eel head biting into a coke can after death. And it's yeah, it's a little bit of a spooky, spooky, scary video, but yeah, that that claim is quite alarming. What do you guys think You can look at the video first, play the video. Yeah, go ahead and play the video and try to figure

out what's going on the video. Oh my god, um no, the person held the jaw open and then clamped down right like like a puppet, Like like a puppet or like something that's dead, and so it's like it's muscles are different when once it's died, that their contracting or doing something. So like the jaws clamped shut it. The person opens it like a hind like a door and keeps it open, puts the canon, lets it open, and it snaps shut. Right. I mean, that's an interesting theory

or it's real. Wait, everyone, I take it back. I mean, it's hard to believe that that's real, because yes, there is a hand on the head, but I don't know either way, it's pretty gross. I would have to see the head like at rest and no hands touching it, and then uh, somebody taking something the animal might want to eat and bring it close to its face, so then it opens its mouth and closes it, as opposed to just like lifting up a corpse and like moving

it until it snaps back into place. Right, Yeah, sort of to determine whether it is actually consciously trying to chomp. Now, that would be a good experiment. We should do that. We could should get a bunch of decapitated wolf feels and try that one out. Oh, I got him, I got him. I not for this, but another thing that I want, that mysterious soggy pile was We don't need to talk about the mysterious saggy pile. We're doing science, So this will be the last reference we make to

the mysterious saggy pile on this podcast. I promise you. I don't promise. So this is an interesting story because it is not a hundred percent bowl honky, although it's partially bowl honky. There's some bowl honky and some not bowl honky. So this viral story came from a video that was circulating in the wind of twenty nine Frightening

Sea Creatures. Disembodied head is seen biting into a coke can, along with the claim that the head of a wolf feel can still bite and poison you after it's been decapitated. Now they probably mean instead of poison you, it's like it can still bite and be venomous, because of course, poison is something you ingest, and venom is something that happens when something bites you. So the video itself does not appear to be doctored, But here's what's probably happening.

And Cody, you're you're on the right track with your idea, but it is a little spookier than that. So this poor wolf feel that got ned starked is having a post mortem muscle nervous system reaction to the stimulus. So you know how like chickens that are decapitated, their bodies twitched and run around a little bit, or like a lizard tail may be less sort of gruesome, like when a lizard tail detached, that tail like still wriggles around like it's alive. Pretty gruesome. Still, this eel head is

probably doing something similar. So you noticed that, like they kind of like they kind of slammed this. This coat can into its mouth like the shotgun it so by pushing shoving it into the mouth, it's probably that force is required to stimulate these nerves that while the wolf eel head is probably dead and hopefully pretty unconscious. In the full video, I didn't show you the full video because it's a little but they show them like decapitating

the wolf feel and like it's pretty fresh. So probably what's going on is while the brain is dead, these nerves in its mouth are still sort of squasi functioning, so if you if you stimulate them enough, it'll it'll twitch basically, so it has this reflexive thing of something its mouth chomped down. So probably they've stimulated those nerves and it's mouth and then it's having this reflex But it's not a zombie. It's not still alive. It's just

this like reflexive thing. And in fact, this can happen with with rattlesnake heads. Like you decapitated rattlesnake, that thing can still bite you and it can still be venomous um shortly after decapitation. But it's again, it's probably not a zombie snake although depending on where you cut the head off, and like how soon after cutting it off, like it can live for a little while, Jesus, you know, just not not very long, not very well. It's not a great life. It's not a great life now, not

not living living it's best life. Yeah, I mean that's definitely different than I mean saying like a decapitated wolf eel can still bite you, right, It's it's misleading in that sure, if you put something in its math, it's not like your arm side of itself. It's not like I'm coming right slithering across the floor personaltory. Yeah I'm not. I'm not smart enough to know the details of its nerves. But no, no, I think you were very much on

the right track. I mean it's in Katie're right, it's not going to be like a pac Man head coming after you, like um zombie wolf. Feel it's got the face for it. It does got it's got a good face for it, got a good pac Man face. That's I kind of like would want to be haunted by it? Does that make sense? Like haunted by this eel head. If it's like I'm gonna get you, that'd be fun.

I don't know it'd be a fun time. It's got a very billy bass songs going on at night, but like it's choruses of children instead of the yeah yeah la la la la la. I think these wolf eels actually look really interesting. They are faces are kind of I don't know, like saying they're human like is a little strange, but they do have a kind of human expression on them. I guess, yeah, there's some personality going

on there, Yeah, exactly. An other one of the lies in this viral story is this idea that they are venomous. They're absolutely not venomous. That's just that's just not true. There are venomous fish, but this is not one of them. That's such a weird lie to add. I know, that's so weird, just like but like this is the kind of stuff that like that's like everything you said that's true,

that's interesting. Show me a video where someone explains what's going on in the nerves of the dead fish, and like I would be like, that's interesting instead of this like long drawn out process of trying to find out if it's true or not. That's what that's what gets me about these like explanations behind these things because you know, I think, oh, is it people really gonna want to listen to me like debunking all of these coolness And it's like, yeah, because the truth is actually a lot cooler.

And speaking of which, the wolf eel is a lot cooler than just it's it's they're more than just a decapitated head, you guys, there's a whole They have a whole life other than being decapitated at head. We'll see about that. So they are actually not an eel, even though they're called wolf feel it's just because they have long bodies, But they are not technically a true eel. They are just a species of wolf fish. And they

are very intimidating looking. They can grow to be seven ft long, which is two meters in wag forty one pounds or eighteen killgrams. So there, they're big old noodles. Look at this. Yeah, this dude holding it is enormous wolf Yes, yea straggling to hold it up. Yeah, I mean I don't want to find myself next to them, right. But it seems like there's a lot of disinformation surrounding these eels. There's misinformation. In the title of the video,

it says catfish versus coke. Yeah, it's not a catfish, it's a wolf fish. That's wrong. But also, like the title says catfish and then the description says wolf feel what, like, why does anybody use the internet? I don't know. The internet is so frustrating. People just do that, go on the internet and all lies like it's the first I've heard of it, and it's the first time I've so yeah, hard to believe that that that would happen. But these wolffish that are called the wolf eels, which is a

bit of a misnomer. They can also live to be twenty five years old, so, and they also spend most of their time in underwater caves. And here's a cute fact. They often mate for life, so they are monogamous. There's like a little, a little cute, little couple of these huge, sort of monstrous looking fish and they're horrifying, sure, but yeah, they look a bit like flotsam and Jetsam in The Little Mermaid, which are I think flotsam and Jetsam are actually more a's, but yeah, they do. They look a

little bit. You'll like, they look like more ray's, but they are not their Wolffish and yeah, they just have they have weird like old man faces, if it makes sense, not like like a little bit mutated, maybe maybe exposed to some radiation, but like an old man face. That you mean like half old man, half fish. I mean that we don't know how they originated. Maybe there's true, maybe these are old men, just irradiated old men and

venomous or not, which they're not. They can still bite humans um, which can cause serious injury because they actually bite down and crack open clams and sea urchins. But here's the thing, they just tend not to do it. They're not very aggressive like snorkelers and scuba divers. Just like say that they're not. You know, you don't want

to mess with them. You don't want to like kind of tease them, but don't don't go and don't bully the wild life, right, like don't shove coke cans in their mouth like you want to coke, you want to coke. But yeah, they don't. They're not like aggressive. They don't like chase after you, trying to bite you. They just kind of want to be left alone with their significant others so they can chomp down on sea urchins all day. You know, most animals don't want to be bothered by

human beings. Cody's writing it down, Yeah, stop fucking animals. Why are oceans and bodies of water so mysterious? From the Lochness Monster to Cthulhu, we like to imagine an undiscovered world of cryptic creatures or whole civilizations like Atlantis. The truth is water is full of life, it is mysterious, and the ocean is freaking huge darn itt So while Atlantis or Cathulhu probably don't learn just beyond our detection,

many creatures probably do. A study used a statistical model to estimate that there are likely seven hundred thousand to one million distinct species living in the ocean. Of those, two thirds may have yet to be discovered. That's a lot of tiny loch Nessi's running around when we return munical horns? Are they real? I'll present the facts and you can be the judge. One of the earliest recorded

unicorns may have actually been a real animal. The rocks, ancient stone seals from the ancient Bronze Age Indus Valley civilization of South Asia show what appeared to be a unicorn. And we're a symbol of wealth. What they really depicted were their orocks, wild cattle that are the now extinct

ancestors of domesticated cattle. In fact, they had two horns, but the seals were always in profile, so it appeared as if they only had one horn, So to those viewing the seal centuries later, it appeared as if unicorns roamed the earth. In this section, I want to talk about unicorns, real real life unicorns, capitated unicorns, and how if you punch them, they're like, no help, You stick a coat cannon and decapitated unicorn's mouth. They go, why have you done this with you? I wanted to grant

your wishes? So unicorns, I'm saying in terms of like these rare mystical looking animals. Uh that including an actual unicorn at the end, So you know, that'll be fun. We'll see what's going on with that. But let's try to figure out if these things are real or fake or what's going on? Is it photoshop? Can you tell by the pixels? Let's go you guys. First up is spotted zebra. Spotted zebra, a picture of a zebra with white spots has made the rounds online. What's going on

what's the deal? What is this? I think it's an anomaly anomaly. Um my guess would be uh, somewhere between an anomaly and just like that's what baby zebras look like, like the spots turned into stripes over time their coat changes. That's a good guess. That's a good guess, and it will develop into the that we know and love writing at this baby, it's mostly spotted, it's got some it looks like some hints of a stripe coming in on the lakes. So I can see that theory being true. Cody. Yeah,

that's actually a really interesting idea. It mate it with a dalmatian, So these are really interesting theories. You guys, You guys are so smart because this is not a photoshop, but it is real. Cody, your idea is really interesting. It's wrong, of course, it's very very extremely extremely wrong and not true at all. But but it's a good idea because there are a lot of animals who do go through coat changes. So when they're born they have a different coat, like I mean, dear for example, they

come out they have spots. As they grow up, the spots fade, So that's you know, not not a stupid idea just the wrong one. So this is again as a victory and now Katie, you are more on the right track. So this is a this is a real zebra named Tyra. This is born. This is zebra was born in Kenya's Messima National Reserve. And this cute little

full probably has something that's called pseudo melanism. So melanism is an overproduction of pigment in animals that creates black fur, feathers, or skin, and so you see that a lot like with you'll see squirrels that that have black fur. You know. Actually we talked about this a little bit last week, but black panthers are actually just any species of panthera that is melanistic, so it can be a melanistic leopard,

melanistic jaguar. Yeah, yeah, it is really cool. But pseudo melanism is interesting because it shows how like pigmentation mutations can be varied, so it's not just sort of an on off switch in terms of like either you have albinism or typical coloration or melanism. So pseudo melanism is another pigmentation mutation where an animal who characteristically has stripes or spots. These stripes are spots are larger or smaller

than normal. So what we're seeing with the zebra is first we kind of have to know like how zebras work, Like are they black with white stripes or white with black stripes? You know that that whole thing. So the it actually does have an answer, which is that zebra skin, just the pigment of their skin under their fur is black. But then they have fur that grows out of their skin that is both black and white. So you know that that's just that's kind of how that's how zebras is,

how they is, and that's how zebras is. You guys, this is a science podcast, and I teach you about how zebras is. So this pseudo melanism with this really cute little baby zebra, Tira with the polka dots, Basically, her black stripes have grown in really big, and then her white stripes have grown in really small for some reason. So she's she's got the black and white stripes, but

the white stripes just aren't grown in. You know, nobody's beautiful, nobody listens to the white stripes anymore, you know what I mean, very early two thousand, I think when they were She is beautiful and adorable, but there is a bit of concern in terms of like when you have like an atypical pigmentation as an animal, because zebras have

stripes for a reason. We're not hud percent sure what the main reason is, but there are a few theories that biologists have come up with, and one of them sort of one of the leading theories is that those stripes actually protect them from biting flies. So biting flies are a huge menace for zebras. They can cause disease, blood loss, it's just like you and they're just super annoying.

And biting flies seem to really struggle to land on striped surfaces, possibly due to something called the barber pole illusion. So you know, like with the barber pole, you have these stripes that wrap around it, and the pole just kind of rotates, but it looks like it's going up and down like vertically. So yeah, it looks like it's moving vertically in a direction even though it's just rotating horizontally.

And so that's the illusion. So with stripes, as you're moving as a fly or even maybe as a predator, you see these stripes moving, it may confuse you as to what direction they're moving in. So that potentially protects them both from biting flies. It can protect them from predators. So yeah, little Tira is is cute as she is, she may be getting more fly bites, so hopefully, hopefully she's all right. But yeah, it's it's always it's it's

cute to see these animals. But it is also interesting because it it's one of those things where you realize, like, oh, yeah, like the reason animals typically have a type of coloration and the type of pattern is because of some evolutionary advantage. So polka dot zebra true, real and cute. I wonder if there's any sort of social fallout that she will see in her pack or whatever, heard from not heard for for not having the typical colorations if she's yeah,

the question, it's a good question. I don't. It doesn't seem to be the case. Like it seems like they don't they don't know the difference. Um, But yeah, I mean that that does happen, Like if there is a mutation with an offspring, sometimes the offspring for whatever reason does get rejected by the herd or or the family or mother or whatever for for some reason. But in this case, it doesn't seem to be Uh. So it's like, which is nice. So just get her fly swatters what

I'm saying, in the tail, right, Put in the tail. Yeah, put a fly swatter. I mean the tails do kind of serve as fly swatters. So you just add a fly swatter to the tail, you know, and then you got and then you got yourself a spotted zebra exactly. I've seen cartoons. I don't know things work. So our next mystical unicorn like animal is a demon fox. So there is a photo of a stunning black and red fox who looks like it's part dragon, and it is coupled with the text quote a melanistic fox one of

the rarest animals on the planet. So is this fox news? Is it a demon? Is it photoshop? I think that it's real. Mhm, I believe I've seen I don't know if it's this exact photo, but I I saw a photo of a similar fox and I was like, that's beautiful. And I googled the phrase and I saw a bunch of images and I did not look any further into it. Could you describe describe like the fox like that you're seeing? Yeah, it's like, um, I mean, it's got It's like a

very vibrant, like ready orange color. And then it's just got these long like swabs of like black over its face, covering its space. It looks like a swirl like you got like red orange and black ice cream flavors whatever those are, and like and swear and swirl them together a bit. The orange almost looks glowy. Yeah, the contrast is very cool. I think it's real, but I also think that probably people took a photo of this and bumped up the contrast a little to make it extra.

It definitely seems to be a nice placed light glowing down. It seems to be well little HDR, doesn't it. Yeah, I think it's been bumped up. It's been enhanced. Can't Can we stop airbrushing everything, you guys, there's no actual beauty in the world. Let's appreciate that the Instagram foxes are giving just everyday. Fox is a complex and it has to stop these Fox influencers. I'm sick of it. But you guys are right on the money. This is

not a photoshop. And Katie, I think you are correct about the contrast just being bumped up a little bit because I've also seen these in other photos, and they are still stunning lee beautiful, but they don't look like they're literally glowing um. And here there's actually a really interesting story behind this, and the text that accompanies this picture is not quite right because they're saying this is a melanistic fox, one of the rarest animals on the planet.

In fact, no, this is not one of the rarest animals on the planet. It's not even relatively that rare. So red foxes come in many different color variation and this fox that you're looking at is actually not a melanistic fox technically, even though the difference in coat, like it's all, it's all kind of related in terms of um. You have these mutations in terms of pigmentation, and melanism is just like one form of that, kind of like

how we talked about with tire the zebra. You know, she is not completely melanistic, but she has this mutation that affects her stripe size and stuff. So they're they're all sorts of things that can impact of the coloration of a furry coat. And red foxes have so many beautiful variations. So you have the standard red fox that has this rusty red fur and often a white underbelly, and they're adorable and lovely. And then you have all

sorts of other morphs of fox. So you have these are sort of the official categories of color morphs for red foxes. There's red, silver, gray, cross, black brown, silver, said silver, black brown, platinum, amber, and Sam's and and that one actually refers to not just like a sort of like tannish color, but it's like a wooly thin pelt. But there's many other mutations as well. So, um, first, let's talk about what a melanistic fox and actually melt. First of all, melanistic foxes are not one of the

rarest animals in the world. It's not what's pictured here. They're actually what are what we know as silver foxes. So silver foxes are just melanistic red foxes. A lot of people think silver foxes are like a different species. Nope, just different phenotype of our regular red foxes. I mean, I think of a silver foxes being a handsome I see, like an Anderson Cooper type. I'm pretty sure silver foxes. Mr Big on sex in the city, I don't know.

Please continue with your actor, Ted Danson, Ted dancing absolutely, I'm sorry, Cody, are we objectifying in not enough. So. Silver foxes have been hunted and bred for their pelts for a long long time. Sadly they're used in furs. They're also famous in as they are part of the Russian domestication study that was done using silver foxes to see if they could make foxes tame over a few generations.

And this study actually did show that they could make these tame foxes, although often the results of the study have been kind of exaggerated, saying like it took a much shorter time than it actually did, like saying, oh, it just took like a couple of generations, Like no, no, it actually took a few decades to have these more more tame quote unquote domesticated foxes. Um, but yeah they are. It's all the same species of fox. It's the red fox.

So you can have fox siblings in theory where you have like, you know, one fox that has the red fox coloration and then one that is melanistic or litters of puppies and stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The fox that is in this viral photo is actually not a melanistic fox, but what would be considered a cross fox. And they are beautiful, but they're not that uncommon in North America, and they're also found in Europe, so they're like they're I wouldn't say they're super super common, but like they're

relatively common. You can find them. You can find them around, you know, check under your couch cushions you might find one. But yeah, they they are beautiful. A truly rare fox would be an albino fox. So albino animals are super rare because they really struggle to survive because of how visible they are, So spotting an albino fox would be a very special event. But yeah, it's it's interesting to see these photos spread online. I don't know where they

got the idea that, Like, God, I did you google albino? Yeah, yes, little pink noses. They're smiling, they're so happy, stretching, you're stretch. They're just happy to be alive. They're like, I shouldn't be alive, but I am so second. Hey, oh god, I scrolled down and found one dead. Oh jeez, why did I do that? Don't tell us that I'm sorry I was the guy holding it up. Oh, they're so

cute though, I love foxes. They're very cute, cute. We interested in a domesticated fox, I feel like, you know, it's one of those things where I'm like, oh God. Part of me was like they probably wouldn't make good pets, but then part of me was like, well maybe, I don't know. Maybe over time I've seen people people have foxes. Now they just have to like you have to make like enclosures in your backyard with like knitting because they're

so wild. If if domesticated foxes happen, and it makes fox for unpopular because it becomes a kind of like dog for cruel Deville style thing, like you know, I don't know, maybe it's a positive change. So are you saying we should domesticate every animal domestic We have to make every animal a pet, I think because we do eat a lot of domesticated animals. Yeah, we've got to make them all pets. And then what are we going

to do? So now let's talk about what is claimed to be a real life unicorn and a puppy and a Golden Retriever. So you guys, was a Golden Retriever puppy born with a unicorn horn on its head? Okay, I know this one. This is a tail on the puppy's head. Well, yeah, if it's anything, it's a tail in the puppy's head, right, Like I mean, I saw this. It's a tail. It's a tail. The photo is of Narwhale, the Golden Retriever puppy with an extra tail like growth coming out of its head like a unicorn horn. Is

that tail? Wag? It does not, because Katie, it's actually not a tail. It's a sorr. It's a unicorn horn. It is not a horn. It's not a tail. It is just a magical little blob flesh. Right, it's like a little growth, right, little growth. It's not it is not malignant, but it's not an actual tail. They actually did an X ray of the little puppy and they found that it has no vertebra or anything really in it.

So it's just kind of furry skin that looks like a tail, and it doesn't appear to cause the dog any discomfort or any problems, so they have no reason to remove it because it's a dormal puppy. I find it hard, but yeah, you don't. It's beautiful as is. You don't need to remove it, but it is. I find it great. I find it great. I want to pet it, you want to scratch it. I wonder if

that thing will keep growing as it grows. I don't know, I don't I would suspect it's probably not going to if it's just kind of a fold of extra skin. But you know, it's hard hard to say. They're going to monitor it and if anything suspicious happens, like they'll probably remove it at that point. But until it presents any problems, they're just gonna let them be a little unicorns, like starting to grant people wishes and stuff. Yeah, I

don't trust that puppy anymore. There's just like a bunch of like butts walking around, like butts attached to peanut butter, attached to like socks, and it's like, what is like there's he's just like floating butts with like peanut butter. And yeah, that is the magical magic of the unicorn puppy. Well, he he doesn't understand what you're asking. You're like, I wish for world peace, and then he turns you into a giant jar of peanut butter, right right, right, Yeah,

this would cause dog piece dogs among dogs. I mean, technically, if we're all giant jars of peanut butter getting licked up by dogs. That would be peaceful, it would be could be no conflict because like a dog allergy. Um, I don't think peanut butter jars can have dog allergies. But yeah, So what's interesting is so having an extra tail growing out of your forehead kind of defies anatomy. Now I don't think people are dumb for thinking that, because when I first saw this, I was like, that's

a tail, Like, how is it growing out of there? Well, also, that's how it was presented, right, That's how it's presented in Like I think I saw that headline a few times. It was like extra tail growing out of forehead, and it certainly looks like one. But here's why that's kind of less likely than just a growth or some extra skin.

Is that so the tail is basically an extension of the spine in the caudle region, so that's like near near the but um, So if you were to have an extra tail, that's it's probably gonna be in the butt area. Just like with extra limbs or polydactyli m extra fingers, they usually grow where the other stuff grows.

So like when you have an extra finger, it doesn't pop up like on your forehead, it pops up on your hand, because that's like you think about, like as developing embryo, as these cells are branching off and growing into these things, Like the most likely thing to happen is that you have this abnormal cell growth in the region that it's supposed to be with extra tails, you

can't actually get that. So like humans can very rarely grow a quote extra tail, which would just be one tail because we don't have tails, which is mutation in the spine that causes it to grow extra vertebra down

near the butt area. And lizards can actually grow extra tails out of their tails, so their tail looks like this weird branch thing from some kind of horror story or or fable, but which So in this case it kind of makes sense because lizards are at a higher risk of mutation in their tail because they regenerate their tail, So having that regeneration also means they're probably at a higher risk of, like you know, having these this extra

tail growth. So that's it's very interesting. But yes, in this case, it's just a plain all unicorn puppy, nothing strange about it. Very very helpful, very magical, very sweet, very sweet, magical, very sweet face. Look at that, I would wish to give it belly rubs forever. There are a few real life unicorns, at least if you brought in the definition to a one horned animal. There's the rhinoceros, who has a single horn that is made of keratin,

the same stuff that is in your fingernails. There's the narwhale, whose horn is really just an over grown tooths and chameleons, some species of which have a single horn and others have up to three horns, so like a tricorn. As far as I know, none of the animals can grant you wishes, but their horns ave important purposes. Rhino horns are used in contests for defense and to attract females.

Narwhale horns are highly sensitive and can detect water salinity, and chameleon horns are used to combat rivals in mating. So that's enough horning us for one episode. When we return, we're going to find out if animals are just like us. It's easy to anthropomorphize animals, that is, to attribute human characteristics to animals. One of the biggest questions of animal behavioral research is why animals do the things they do, and whether we as humans can understand it with our

human brains. This topic is incredibly complex, So of course we're going to start with a video of a seal rocking on its tummy in front of a cat. Now, I want to talk about something where often when we see animals do a behavior, we assume they're doing that

behavior because they are just like us. And sometimes we assume that they can't be anything like us, so there must be some very cold logical reason that they're doing this behavior, and so there's often you know, the truth is often much more complex than either either of those views. So I first one, sorry, this video is just so funny. There is a video making the rounds. It's going around

on Twitter, is getting the retweets and the likes. It is a seal, Yes, it is a seal that looks like it is trying to impress a cat by rocking back and forth on its tummy like he's doing in the worm and the cat looks really unimpressed. So we're supposed to decide if we think the seal is trying to impress. Yeah, so this is I won't I won't

be coy about it. This is a real video. What do you think because like the caption on the videos like this seal is trying to impress the cat, Like, what do you think is gets trying to impress the cat. I think it's more likely that it's it's it's worried about the cat some reaction or maybe that's part of it wants to eat the cat. I don't know, so yeah, so I would my guess would be that it's just being a seal in the seal and where that happens to be a cat nearby, Like it's just it's just

doing this little seal thing. It's like bopping along. Look at me, I'm a see saw a seal Hong Kong, I'm the dog of the sea. And the cat nearby. It looks like the seal is looking the cat. But that's also the same angle as the video that's being taken. So maybe he's stunted camera. Maybe it's stunting for the camera. Yeah, so this is I think this is a harbor seal.

I'm not like a seal identification expert, but I believe this is a harbor seal just based on it's roundness and it's got sort of the cream colored belly with the spots and then the darker back. But I mean it could I guess it could also be a spotted seal or a gray seal, but I'm gonna go with harbor seal. And this is a behavior that apparently a lot of seals do, many species of seals um and so I think you guys are definitely on the right track. Now, this is gonna be me guessing because I don't I

can't mind what the seal. Oh, I see, I'm not a seal minder reader that only works on birds, Cody only, my powers only work on birds I read. Sorry, I'm being I'm being I'm calling you out, but I already read the creature feature lore. My mind control powers only were converted. But yeah, the seals do do this thing where they like kind of rock back and forth, and the most likely thing that it's doing is trying to

get comfortable. So this is a behavior they do, like kind of like right before they're about to lounge on a nice sunny, sandy beach. So their bodies are surrounded by a thick layer of protective blubber. So imagine that you live inside a thick sleeping bag with just your hand poking out and you're a seal, now, congratulations, And if you want to adjust to get comfortable, you can't just like you know, I don't know, like move your

legs around or something. You're gonna have to kind of like rock in order to get into the perfect position. Uh so, yeah, that is probably what he's doing. He's just like rocking to get comfortable or I don't know, it's fun, like it's workout right, he's doing the worm because it's fun. Like if I was a seal, would I be rocking and rolling around just blurping around? Of course? Absolutely? All right, that's like the seal thing. Like seals are fun.

They have fun. They just pop around, the boop around. They're like they're boopers and their poppers. Yeah, like somebody brought a cat to the bhoop and pop party, right exactly. You've got like seal a baldon going, always be booping, always be blurry, chill ca yeah yeah, um I love chill. Cats like animals. Yeah, cats just like harbor seal rolling around behind me? What's new? You know, I don't care. You think I have a care to give. I don't. I don't know. Maybe maybe I had him at one point.

But there, look over there, is that my pile of cares that I have? Oh, it's nothing. It's nothing because I don't have one of those. Because I don't have any cares have a pile of cares. I'm like you humans, because I'm a cat and I I don't care. So next up is crocodile tears, tears of the crocod sorry um. So, crocodile tears is an old saying that means, you know, basically insincere tears due to the fact that crocodiles seem to cry while feeding. So why do crocodiles cry? Do

they feel sad? Are they mocking their prey? Um? There's even versions of this folklore where the crocodile feigns injury or distressed to lure prey towards it. So this is a quote from the oldie writer Edward topsail Um, who wrote, there are not many brute beasts that can weep, but such is the nature of the crocodile that to get a man within his danger, he will saw up, sigh and weep as though he were an extremity. But suddenly he destroyeth him. This is how is it something? To do.

I mean, sure, maybe feigning being injured to lure prey. I can see that being a tactic. But the tears, it feels like the eyes are watering or something some like, you know, maybe he's like maybe he's allergic to his food. Like well, because they're feeding, so like there's a lot of like it's a lot of work to be done, right, don't they have like a lot like chomping, a lot of chomping, a lot of a lot of a lot

of jaw work. Yeah, um, I imagine the amber. Sure, yeah, I actually have no like even like feigned educated guests for this. I mean, that's pretty good though. You're both very much on the right track with this so obvious sleep. The crocodiles not crying because it's sad or because it's mocking the food. I mean, obviously crocodiles don't have feelings. No, that's not true. They do have feelings. It's a it's a dinosaur, all right, it's a it's a it's a lot.

It's a loser. It's a loser. They are not dinosaurs. They lived amongst the dinosaurs, but they are not dinosaurs. They share a common ancestor with the dinosaurs. But Cody, it's not a dinosaur. Well we are too, then, because we share a common ancestor with the dinosaurs. Look, I just wanted to insult birds. Okay, stop in sulting birch. You know that hurts my feelings, as I mean as a as a human, not a bunch of birds fluttering

around in a skin suit. Now. But researchers actually looked into this question, because of course they did, and they find that crocodiles do actually weep or cry while eating, and like you guys, very smartly gifted, it has nothing to do with emotions or feigning emotions. Crocodiles form tears in their eyes to lubricate their eyes and cleanse them and then also to get rid of extra salt water

that they consume with their food. But the reason that they cry while eating is that it may trigger tear production just by the sheer force of air through their sinuses as they chop down, which triggers the tear gland. So, Cody, you're really on the right track with the yeah that basically they're doing a lot of chomping and there's like all this hot air being forced through their sinuses as they're chomping, and then that triggers tear production. It's like

some sort of Nettie pot getting the food sweats. Yeah, the meat sweat exactly. I do like the idea that they just love the food so much. It's like, this is so good tears by the flavor profile this dead baby water buffalo. It's so good, so grateful for this meal. In humans, there's actually something called crocodile tears syndrome, also known as Bogarad's syndrome, which causes people to cry while eating due to a misconnection of nerves that triggers the

tear ducks while eating. So that's actually interesting that they call this crocodile tears syndrome because it is actually somewhat similar to what happens with crocodiles when they eat. So yeah, interesting. But the idea of an animal feigning distress or feigning harmlessness or injury in order to lure and prey is

not a bad idea. In fact, it does happen. So mar Gai cats, which is a small spotted wildcat found in Central and South America, will mimic the cry of a tamarin, which is a small monkey, and then a Tamarin will come over to investigate, like what's wrong, what's going on? And then the Margay is like, just deed some because it's oh, it's a spooky cat a door. Both very cute kidties but very scary and their attactive, just like I'm a little baby monkey. Can me I

have a baby monkey and then just eat you. I would want to help the baby monkey if I know, and if you were a monkey would get eaten. Sorry to say, and this is called aggressive mimicry, when a predator pretends to be something harmless to lure and prey. It's very fascinating, but that is not what's happening with the crocodile. That was such just the idea that it's just such a funny idea that someone would see a crocodile crying and come over to console the dude was strong.

Come on, let on me, dude, just like open up talking to me. They bite your arm off, let it go. It's like I hate it when crocodiles leave those like vague status is where it's like feeling down. It's like, well, just tell me what's wrong. Use your words. God damn it, come on, express yourselves, you know, I do know. So onto our final story, which is orangutans washing their hands. Okay,

ringutans washing their hands. So there is a video going around of an orangutan washing her hands, and the claim is that she has learned to wash her hands by watching Zookeeper doing it as a response to COVID nineteen safety procedures. Basically like, if for an orangutan can learn to wash her hands, what's your excuse? People? God, all right, sounds so depressed about the idea of an orangutan washing

her hands. I mean I like that part, but everything else you said, it's like, come on, did they not wash their hands pre COVID. That's the thing, Katie, is they did, And so did you know this they did? This is so silly? All right, sorry, go ahead. So, no, oranguans didn't suddenly start washing their hands because they saw us doing it for COVID. Well, because we also didn't

just start washing our hands. Yeah, that's an interesting it's an interesting observation, Katie, and in the correct one also, um, but yes, so that is pretty silly. However, However, this video is true and that orangutans do wash their hands, and they do do it because they have observed people doing it and they copy us and they seem to enjoy it. So this is Sandra the orangutan at the Center for Great Apes in Wachula, Florida, which is a

sanctuary for great apes. And she doesn't just wash her hands. She washes her toys, she washes her environment. She just loves She has her little washing bin and then just like washes thing. She loves it. And she probably did learn to wash things by copying a human, but she's not the only one. And it has nothing to do with COVID. So in Borneo, wild orangutans who had been rescued learned to use soap to wash their hands in

four arms by watching people. And since then, orangutans that were born in the wild who did not grow up around humans learned by watching the other orangutans using soap, and now they do it too. What they do is they go into human territory, steal soap, go back to their environment and like sit with each other and wash their hands, wash their arms. They'll hold the soap in their mouth, they'll like lick their arms, it's like and

then they'll pass the soap. They share the soap like one of the oriantans, like can I cant your bow guarding that soap pet. The rule is scrub scrow pass, like pass me that soap, and they share it and it's like highly social activity. So they're young, learn We don't know why they do I mean, they don't need to wash their hands. Probably they don't need to. We don't know why they do it. It may have nothing

to do with hygiene. It could just be purely an enrichment activity where they are having fun, like because it's kind of probably feels nice. It probably feels good. It's probably like tastes interesting, like they probably like lick it and taste it and then they like get these like foamy things on their hands. It's probably like just really fun activity. It's probably also really intellectually enriching, where it's like you have this bar and then you rub it

and it turns into turns into foam. That's kind of fascinating. So there, and then the bar slowly like slowly get smaller, right right, it's really interesting to them, and so it's

just this like fun group activity. And I think the truth of it not that they're just like copying humans who are washing their hands more with COVID, but that they are just so curious and so intelligent that they're going to copy these human activities and then pass it on to their young who learned from them, and it's become actual ringutan culture amongst this group is so interesting, much more interesting than just like oh, look, these these

orangutans are washing their hands together for yeah, like alone together with rangutan go on, like right, Like it's that's fascinating and so interesting and like makes you wonder like, Okay, well will those orangutans interact with other animals and pass that on that part activity on? Like it's just like the video right after this auto play is a orangutan

playing with the saw because it's interesting. Like they're they're fascinated by things and what they do in the world, and so they're just gonna keep doing that and it's going to slowly be introduced into other other of them because that's how their minds work. Yeah. I think that's why that's why it's so important to realize that no, animals aren't just like us, and they don't do things for the same reason we do them, but they're not

completely alien from us. They we do share things like curiosity and a desire for play and in a desire to learn and culture. But it's just gonna we have to come at it from this recognition that they are. They have so much capacity for interesting behavior, just like humans. But it's we can't just assume that our sort of human ideas are going to be the same ones that they have. So like, they're probably not washing their hands

for you know, hygiea's a lot that's nonsense. That's nonsense, um, But like that's the common thing that we have with them, is the curiosity. It's how they utilize it in the context of it. Yeah, but maybe like it could confer some hygienic benefit eventually. I don't know, Like I don't really know enough about their environment whether there's anything that washing their hands would protect them from. But yeah, it's like it's just so interesting when these behaviors come up.

So anytime you see something that seems like a little bit too simple to be true, always like look into it, because I can guarantee you there's gonna be something really interesting behind it. Kind Of like, um, when I see uh, not great dog owners, because a lot I think a lot of people get dogs and they think like, well, sit, walk, do the do the things that dogs do, like walk

with me, come on. But like, dogs don't understand that they like we like there's a process of teaching them how to live in a human world and anything like that. It's like, well, they're not doing it because of any information they have about how the human world works. It's

this new thing in their world. Yeah, and dogs are actually again I keep saying this over and over, they are one of my favorite animals because of their long evolutionary history with us, and they have learned to read our emotions and expressions, and I would have hoped we want to have learned to read theirs as well. Yeah, but it is something where yeah, dogs are actually they're not completely alien from us. They share a lot of emotions that we have, but we have to understand they

are coming from dog world. They have different perspectives on things, except for unicorn puppy. You of corn puppy is magical and all knowing, omniscient puppy. But yeah, it is, it is. I think really, I think that understanding it with that nuance just makes animals more lovable because it's like yeah, you know, yeah, no, a shark isn't necessarily going to have the same emotions as a human, but it has something going on and it's probably really interesting. It's fascinating

all of it. Yeah, but you're right, we have such a tendency as as humans to be like but put human motivations behind or you know, like answer it in terms that we can understand instead of the far more

interesting reality is mystery in some cases. Yeah, you know, I think it just takes a little bit of creativity to think about a different kind of brain, you know, I mean, like in that sympathy right, like that simp the things that we show with other humans too, where it's like you've got to have a little bit of creativity to see it from someone else's perspective, got to have a lot of creativity to see it from an animal's perspective, Like why why would somebody wash with soap

just for fun? Like think about it, right, Yeah, the context of their environment, the context of what they do, and like where they're where they're at in their evolution. Yeah, yeah, nothing, the things that don't happen in a human vacuum. Right, We're not Yeah, yeah, we're not. You know, we're not the only animals on this planet. It's my it's my tagline. Do you like now that's true? That's true. Well, I mean at that point there will be no I'm not

going to get into that. Someday. Maybe it's a fun podcast here, it's a fun podcast. Yeah. But thank you guys so much for joining me. This was a lot of fun. You guys are such good sports trying to figure out the truth and very smart internet sleuths. Do you guys have anything to plug? Yeah? Always. First off, thank you for inviting us, um, but yeah, you guys can check us out for non animal content, mostly some animal content sometimes UM on the Internet, that trustworthy place

we we co host. Cody and I both co host two podcasts, One's Worst Year Ever with Robert Evans uh and the other is even More News, which is kind of a companion podcast to our YouTube show, which Quody will explain. It's called some More News. It's a white man, white man behind a desk, wearing a tie, talk about the news, wearing in quotations because I don't know that that tie is making much contact with your body anymore, hanging off off the butt and tie sort of incidentally

float down there. There's a tie in the picture, it's definitely there. Um. And if you're a fan of Katie Golden, not Katie the one speaking well, which assuming you are sure, if you're listening to this podcast, in definitely want to check out some our news because Katie does a lot of writing for us. That's true this week on our episode yeah project Yeah, it's fun. I politics sometimes, which is on the politics dabble, I dabble in the politics.

I'm I'm interested in in animals, including the politicians. If you don't in the White House, oh burn burn just a like, actually I didn't lose any subscribers the elephants. Yeah, so you can check all of that stuff out online. Just also, I feel like I insulted Rangutans because the president is not curious at all. He's so incurious that he would he would look at the soap and be

like get he Oh my god. President Orangutan would have handled COVID better than Trump because like it would be in office and just sitting there and grabbing soap and washing it, and everybody'd be like, oh, we should wash our hands more like the beaning by example ring it. Anyways, you guys, um, you can find us at Creature Feature Pod on Instagram at Creature Feet Pod on Twitter. That's f e a T, not f e ET. That is very different. You can find me at Katie Golden just

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