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we answer the Agel question are Dalton's jerks. So I know everyone's feeling a little cramped and stir crazy, and it's hard to exercise. Gyms are closed because they're cesspools of sweat and body fluids. It's hard to jog with masks on, although please do wear masks joggers. If I have to do another barrel roll out of the way of a panting jogger, I swear I'm gonna start going

outside a giant hamster ball. But to inspire you to invent your own exercise routine, today we'll be exploring some of the sickest stunts that mother nature brings calibunga, backwards baseball hat, skateboards, dabs behind every funky and unbelievable animal stunt is an even more unbelievable story. So joining me today's comedian, filmmaker and podcast host of You Can Tell Me Anything, and my friend Teresa Lee. Hello, thanks for having me. Yeah, it's great to have you on. So

I'm really excited. I think this is gonna be a fun one. It is about movement, dances, weird stunts, parkour, things that animals do, and I think it's Uh. I've been trying to remain somewhat active in quarantine, and so I've been like looking at aerobics videos and I feel like the biggest dork because I know, like the people on the aerobics video already look goofy, and I know

I look even more goofy trying to do it. I think that's the point though, right, I mean I feel like that I've always I'm never understood when people try to pick people up at the gym. To me, I'm like, that's like going into an artist studio and trying to buy a painting half painted. I'm like, yeah, don't you

get me. I'm a half painted masterpiece. Thank you. Yeah. No, I think this self humiliation does actually burn calories, Like the more humiliated you are, the more blood flow, like to your cheeks as you're blushing out of humiliation, Like the more your heart's pumping, it's good for you. I've tried to do I've tried to like teach myself dances

from K pop videos. It's very fun and it's kind of just like a way since I'm not taking class or doing anything, and I'm very lazy when it comes to like yoga or anything like that that I'm active while like I'm putting my brain into a different mode where I'm like, oh, I'm just trying to learn, but actually it's active, so that's how I get my workout.

But I almost learned the whole dance, and I was feeling confident because I hadn't I don't have a mirror, so I hadn't seen myself, and I was like, I feel like I got it. So then I recorded myself on my website just to see and then I was like in media humiliation, I was like, never did just like what you want, Like you know, they practiced for days weeks to get there and then you watch it like I got it when they say dance like nobody's watching.

That includes yourself, like you don't want to see. Well, you should always dance like everybody's watching and you're very good. But that's yeah, but that's how you think. But then in reality it's like, don't show this to anybody. I danced like everyone's watching and frowning at me. But you know, we all have a style. So, speaking of dancing, I want to talk about some animals who have some truly

wonderful dance moves. So have you seen there's this viral video of a woodcock doing a little kind of like swiggy dance, sort of like bobbing back and forth. It looks really funky and cute. That's not photoshop. Looks wow. I mean I think that the they may have added some funky music into it. I don't think that's from nature, but just the way they're all syncd up, it's like

the babies are like learning how to groove exactly. So what Teresa's watching and I'll provide this in the show notes obviously, but it is a woodcock bird dancing with I think it's her chicks. So little baby woodcocks, and they're kind of it's almost like what kind of dance movies that they're like sort of like bouncing, like bouncing back and forth, sort of shimmying. I'm not I'm not like a West Side Story a little bit like oh nice. Yeah, well, like if they had little like if they had fingers,

I would imagine them snapping, yeah, like bobbing. It's very very jazzy. So let me let me tell you a little bit about these woodcocks and why they're dancing in such a funky way. So, woodcocks are a group of medium sized bird species found all over the world. They have long, needle like beaks and brown modeled feathers that allow them to camouflage if you feel like it's kind of they're sort of like a chunkier version of a

sand piper. You know, they're they're a little they're like a much rounder meteor version of a sandpiper, if you know what a sand piper looks like. So, the American woodcock, which is I believe this video is of an American woodcock, is also known as the timberdoodle, the bog sucker, the fiddle squeak, the buck, a bog sucker, hoke um poke, and a labrador twister. You know, I feel like I'm getting trolled. I don't believe. I don't believe that these

are all nicknames. I think someone just edited like the Wicky or edited the dictionary and it was like, yeah, I'm just going to call them a bog sucker, but nobody calls them that. I think I'm getting trolled here. Did you know Shakespeare also in vented a lot of bird names. Um, that's little little known fact about Shakespeare. These all sound like made up Shakespeare in exactly, fire you bug sucker, a fiddle squeak upon both your families. This is a but hookum poke shape. So these are

found in the eastern half of the US. They're usually found along young growth forests, shorelines, mud flats, and other coastal habitats. They feed on insects hidden in soft soil or sand or worms. They do love worms, so they do this bobbing, rocking motion to coax the worms to wriggle so they can find them and eat them. So we've actually talked about worm fiddling before on the show, and worm fiddling is a technique that both humans and animals use to vibrate the ground to trigg worms into

moving towards the surface. So when the ground vibrates, the worms think it's either rain or a mole. Both things can kill them, like a mole can sneak up and eat them, and rain can drown them if they stay underground, so they come up to the surface. But sometimes it's a human who's like vibrating the ground with like a like they stick a fork in the ground and hit it and then it vibrates the ground and worms come up.

Or it's a woodcock who has done a little boogie on the ground and it's like so each time they do the little rocking, swaying boogee moves, that's causing the sand to shift and vibrate, and it's coaxing the worms to move around so that they can find them. I have a question. So if the mole, if they think there's a mole and they think they could die, so they get go up, oh because the moles are below right, Because okay, because otherwise I'm like, aren't they just exposing themselves?

But now that yeah, and either they are. I mean it's a calculation because most I guess it's sort of that most of the times it is a mole or rain that's gonna get them, but sometimes it is out of the frying pan and into the bird. So males will also so the that little dance. Even though it looks very seductive and alluring, it is not a mating dance. It is it seems to be purely functional and it's really cute. In that video, you see the little babies

trying to learn that dance as well. So they it does. It does appear that they're learning from their their parents how to do that hunting technique. And it's not a mating dance. It's like the kind of dancing do when you like, just wanna I just want to dance with my girls like that exactly to get food, like on your way to food. I don't know, have you ever been. I've definitely been so excited for food. Sometimes I do a little dance all the way to attention. Oh yeah,

I actively tork while I cook. That's how I cook. Yeah, yeah, no, I like to do. I do like to do a little like butt shimmy while I'm cooking when I'm really excited. So males do do a dance, It's not quite as in my opinion, it's not as cute and groovy as the warm Hunting dance, but it is pretty death defying. So they will fly up about hundred yards into the air and then zig zagged down buzzing and chirping like a stunt flyer. So it's more of a it's more of a stunt kind of thing. It's not it's not

a lot of style and pizzazz to it. It's just like a it's like, check out this cool stunt and then mate with me. So the next animal I want to talk about is an animal I was reminded of when I was watching this video of the woodcock bobbing around, and that's the chameleon. Theresa, have you ever seen a chameleon walking? I feel like in zoo like I I've seen them in like exhibits, but not not in the wild. Now, well, I've never seen one in the wild either. I've only

ever seen them in captivity. But you know that like that kind of bobbing walk they do where they very slow, they'll like stick a leg out and pull it back in, and stick it out and pull it back in and do the hokey pokey that kind of thing. It's a very distinctive walk. And they have that wobbly bobbly walk, but for a different reason than the woodcock. Uh. So, uh, do you want me to blow your mind with some cameleon facts? Some chameleon facts. So they are a clay

of lizards with over two hundred and two species. They are found in the Old World, so not in not on the American continent, although there are feral populations in Hawaii, Florida, Texas, and California from escaped pets, which I find I always find that funny. We have the here in l A. We have the green chevron parakeets or yellowships chevron parakeets who are escaped parakeets from pets, and they've just formed a feral flock and live here now. Yeah, And so

have the chameleons, and we can't find them. They keep disappearing. That bird do you think you have is actually a chameleon, right right, you pick up your cell phone. Whoops, it's a Chameleon's a chameleon. So they have curly, prehensile tails, eyes that can move independently of each other, which is actually a whole interesting topic in itself. The way that

chameleon eyes reconstruct an image in their brain. It's all very complicated because they have these two independently moving eyes, like two kind of sets of information that gets rearranged in their brains, which is very interesting, but I'm not going to talk about that too much today. So they have very long tongues that can be shot out of their mouths like a harpoon, and many species can change

their color. So a little bit about their color changing, because I think this is one of the biggest things that is misunderstood about chameleons is they can't change their color to anything they want at all. Like if you put a chameleon on like a checkerboard or on a red background, they don't just change their color to whatever

background they're on to exactly match it. I think there was a viral video that was like a sunglasses ad that showed them like putting a chameleon next to their sunglasses and it kept changing color and it was very It was a cool video, but a lot of people thought it was real and unfortunately no. But they do change their color to engage in crypsis, so they can kind of it depends on their environment, but they can kind of shift from maybe browns or two greens to

fit in better with what they're trying to hide amongst So there is a little bit of that they can't perfectly match any background, but there the normal backgrounds that they tend to be and they can engage in some amount of changing their skin color to hide. So it's like a Snapchat filter where you can kind of you can still tell as the person, but they've like readone there like now they have a hot dog for a hat or something exactly. I man, snapchat filters really messed

me up. There's the baby one really scares me. That's really creepy. And there's like what I don't get though with snapchat filters is every single one kind of gives like not just the baby filter, but every single one sort of seems to want to make my face rounder, like they've decided I look better this way. So it's like, oh, here's a here's a Snapchat filter that is you wearing glasses, but also now your cheeks are rounder and your skin has no pores. It's like, well, I didn't want that.

I think it's because it's for like young people more more like like teens use it, and I think maybe like rounder faces are like more youthful. Maybe they're trying to make you look baby. You know, they're trying to make everyone look like a baby, and stop turning us into baby snapchat, stop it. Do you think chameleons change um, not just to blend in, but to look hotter? Like, do you think they're they absolutely to look like this hot?

Chameleons all just change my colors, actually, Teresa, that is the main reason they change color, truly. So mostly color change is social. It's a way to communicate in mating or being territorial. So different species have different ways of communication, so I can't give like a This is a very generalized thing, but typically brighter colors signal aggression and darker colors signal submission, and they also will turn to brighter colors when engaged in mating to try to impress their mate.

They're able to change their skin color by compressing or expanding these lattices of guanine crystals in their skin, which changes the way that light is is reflected or absorbed. So they're not actually changing the pigments in their skin. They're changing like this crystalline structure in their skin that changes its shape to allow light to pass reflect differently and then that changes their skin color. So it's it's

pretty interesting. But yeah, it is. It is funny that you would you would bring up Snapchat because it is it is mostly social signaling. It's cryptiist something they do. But that's like the most vibrant, fantastic colors seem to be social in nature. Interesting. Yeah. They also have ballistic tongues, which you know, I think is a compliment maybe, but they can be up to two times their body length, and their tongues are sticky, can cling to prey. Like

when did you play with those like sticky hands? Oh yeah, and then you stick them on the wall and they get dusty. Yeah, I think once I'm trying to. I think like once a bunch of us in one of my classes got like sticky hands, and my teacher drove my teacher absolutely crazy and she just like went around like confiscating sticky hands because it was just like it was like a total sticky hands, mutually assured sticky hand

destruction going on in that class. They are impossible, though, Like you you use them once and then they are immediately covered in every every particle of dust, every hair, everything. It's like it almost seems like it sucks the hairs like out of its environment. That's like a pre coronavirus. I feel like like post coronavirus. Everything through that lens is like, Oh no, this shouldn't be made. We shouldn't have this spreading turn around exactly exactly. It's like it's

like that's it's that's disgusting. It's a disgusting disease ease vector, and it's in the shape of one of the most frightening things in the world. A human hand. No gloves, so their tongues are sticky, and it is actually really interesting how their tongues work to catch prey. So they can catch prey within point zero seven seconds and reach

up to forty one G force of acceleration. So, for comparison, Apollo thirteen upon re entry reached a G force of seven, So that's forty one G force that this tongue gets up to. Damn that's like a that's that that should be in their tender bio just like right exactly, Hey baby, I've got fourty one G forces on this tongue. I'll give you a sample. Oh so a rocket sled is more akin to how fast that chameleon tongue accelerates. Again, I think, like describe having your tongue as a rocket

sled is a great way to flirt. So the tongue is shot out with a lot of force because so first of all, the tongue is highly lubricated and it squeezes these sphincter like muscles near the base of the tongue around a hard high oid bone. So the highoid bone is this like bony structure at the base of the tongue. So it's kind of like if you squeeze a bar of soap and it pops out of your hand.

But imagine that your hand is the tongue and the bar of soap is like attached to the wall, and then you squeeze the bar of soap and then your hand flies out. Okay, maybe that's not I was following sort of, And then well, so the tongue, basically, the tongue is this slippery thing that wraps around the high

oid bone. It's ease is really hard, and then it just like shoots out from from it like yeah, exactly, So sort of like basically the mechanics of a bar of soap slipping out of your hand, except for but it comes back. Yeah, exactly, It's like it comes back. And it's also it's as if the bar of soap is squeezing your hand and then flying out with a sphincter. Does that make sense? Yeah, So now that I have blasted your mind with chameleon facts, uh, the whole that

whole bobbing walk is actually to try to camouflage. So it is a form of crypsis where they're sort of trying to I guess cosplay as a leaf or a branch kind of It's it's supposed to make them feel like it seemed like part of the tree, part of the environment. It's also by moving slowly and jerkily kind of disrupts the visual cues of like when you when you're a predator and you're looking for something that's like moving, You're like, okay, this thing is moving like an animal.

But if you've got just this kind of swaying thing that's like slowly inching forward by swaying, it's kind of not doesn't seem like a typical prey item, a typical a live animal. Wow. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, They're so they're like it's like when you're like when you put on sunglasses and you're like, now you can't see me coming.

I was like, I'm moving so slow you can't. Yeah, I feel like that was a technique I had when I was a kid, is just like really slow slow movements, Like if I wasn't supposed to go somewhere or wasn't supposed to pick something up, if I just moved really slowly, then like it's like okay, like moving this amount is fine. Moving this amount is fine, and then that times a hundred is probably fine. Especially when it came that was

mostly to annoy my brother. I think. Yeah, it's like if you eat if you eat a cookie over, like you're not supposed to eat it, but you just eat a little bit over like hours, and it's like, yeah, that's that's My technique as an adult is to like if I if I want to have a cookie and I feel guilty about it, I will break the cookie in half and then break the half cookie that's left into a half again and just like keep basically breaking

it into a half and having half of it. And then it's like what I'm only having half a cookie and then I've done that, you know, basically infinity times until I have like a tiny molecule of cookie left, and if I split that in half, it creates a nuclear explosion, which isn't good. But you know, so now, the last dancer I'm going to talk about in this section is the dung beetle. So do you know much about dung beetles? Teresa? Do you you? I don't know

if you run in any dung beetles circle. I think I just have a very cursory knowledge, a layman's knowledge of the dung beetle. Yeah, it's a it's basically a beetle that eats dung. And I was kind of going it could be dung that eats beetle or a beetle that eats dung, so clearing that up. Yeah, typically dung doesn't eat anything. Okay, well, my bad. That's why you're

so the dung beetle. Will you know how like some dung beetles have a ball of poop that they push around, like in sort of a a sisiphus kind of task where they're always pushing a big ball of dung. Dung beetles will sometimes get up on their ball of dung and do what looks like a little dance where they kind of spin around on this ball of poop, which is kind of it's sort of like like little circus poodle like dun dun da dun dun dung, just dancing

on that, dancing on that poop. So this is actually really interesting thing, and researchers noticed them doing this and it was this big mystery. So but first to explain why they do this little poopball dance. First, let me explain what dung beetles are. So, dung beetles are a bunch of species of scared beetles who feed on dung and many species. Like I mentioned before, they will roll up the dung into a ball and then they roll massive amounts of crap back to their dens, and that

is to nourish their larva. So they're basically building up a big nest full of poop for their babies. Cute, right, you find that cute right? Babies? Who doesn't like poop exactly. It's like so the opposite of parenting with humans, like we do our best to get as much poop away from the baby as possible as quickly as possible, and dung beetles are trying to get poop on the baby.

You know, different strokes, different folks. So is it to cover because I've also heard like dogs will do that way they puppies like roll around and poop to cover their smell. Is it Is it a protective thing or they just like poop. No, it's actually they just love to eat it. It's got a lot of nutrition in

it still for the beetles to eat. The pooh often has a lot of good stuff still in a lot of good nutrients still in there, so they in fact the reason they pull it away quickly from like the dung heap is dung is a fiercely competitive environment for insects who are wanting to eat that dunk. So a lot of flies, a lot of other beetles, a lot of other insects are all crowded around. It's like it's like going to grocery store. I don't know when people

are freaking out or panicking. Just dung is a toilet paper, yeah exactly, but trying to get Yeah again, beetles kind of the flip side of the coin to humans where we're all fiercely trying to get toilet paper, and beetles are just fiercely trying to get poop, you know, cutting out the middleman. Really, yeah, maybe we should be um, we should work out with some sort of treaty with them. Maybe instead of toilet paper, we just all have beetles

in our bathrooms. I don't know. Oh that's a great idea. Yeah, like like, hey, look, weird, we desperately need toilet paper, you desperately need poop. It seems like the logical thing is you get in there and you know, look, I'm not going to go into details. A day, we just it's a it's a bug day, yeah, exactly. Just dun get a dung beetle in there, get a pet dung beetle. Yeah wow, that's yeah, this podcast has taken an interesting turn. Innovative. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

let's let's get the patent pinning. Patent pinning. So typically the dung beetles that will roll balls of poop back to their din will stand up on their front legs. They will prop their hind legs on the dung ball and roll it with those back legs towards their din. And it's kind of incredible how dung beetles are able to easily navigate despite being backwards and having their vision

mostly blocked by this big ball dung. But they like to roll it in a straight line to get back to their den as quickly as possible, because again, dung is a hot commodity and it's also really hot typically where they live. There are a lot of species in South Africa and it you know, it gets extremely hot and they're just scrabbling around on the hot ground. So they like to get it as to their din as

if quickly and efficiently as possible. And interestingly, if the dung beetle is interrupted and meets some kind of obstacle, it is able to easily reorient and navigate back to its den. Like if you spin the dung beetle that around, it can immediately retriangulate its path. It will get up on its dung ball though, and do this little circus dog dance where it's just kind of like deep deep, deep, and then it goes along its marry way in the

right direction. So researchers were interested in why they were doing this, So they found that when it gets up on the ball, it is actually trying to get a clear view of the sun, so it uses the sun to navigate in the direction it needs to go, and these researchers changed the appearance of where the sun was coming from with mirrors and successfully confused dung beetles into

moving into the wrong direction. I know, it's kind of mean, right, And then when the sun sets, actually the dung beetles can see polarized light that humans can't really see in the sky to also help them navigate. So they're all, he's look into the sky for navigation, getting that little what's a little thing called you know, is it a sea campassing? Well, the the oh, a sextant, a sextant, you know, like sailors, like a weird triangle thing, but

it's a ball of poop instead. Very smart, resourceful, Yeah, exactly. Here's a cute anecdote about that dung beetle study. So Professor Mark Burns dung beetle research team wanted to see why dung beetles will get up on their dung ball and wipe their little faces. And they used these thermal cameras to see that they seem to be trying to cool their little feetss because they get really hot in

the sand. So they gave the beatles tiny booties to see how they'd react, and the beatles didn't need to like get up on the ball and cool their feet as much like they were able to keep going for longer. But it's just they made little tiny booties rule young beetles and the dung beetles. That's so cute. I know, it's adorable. It makes me feel like, I mean, obviously, you don't want to interfere with nature, you know it's

not the way. But part of me just now wants to make little, tiny, many booties for as many insects as I want. Because look, insects they don't got shoes. Yeah, they don't got but some of them got sticky feet like spiders. That's true, they do got hairy, sticky feet. But yeah, I mean little booties, can you like? It would make them cuter too, just a little little booties. It would be less scared of a spider of it. Well, I don't know if it had shoes on, more scary

or less scary. I'm not sure. It depends on the type of shoe, right, Like, if it was high heels, I'd be intimidated. That would be intimidating. Eight yeah, clacking around. But if it's like I don't know eight clown or something. Yeah, yeah, kids, kids are very non threatening shoe. Yeah yeah, like a rebok or like a croc, just like a real dad shoe. I just be like, yeah, a bunch of like sandals with socks on, and it's like, yeah, birken stocks. I don't need to be afraid of a spider with birken

stocks on. So, now that you've heard of a couple of ruby dancing animals, are you ready to creature size? All you need is to dance around on some worm filled sand and to balance on a giant ball of dung. If you don't feel like doing that, you can at least put some of your favorite music on and do some dancing. Dancing is good cardio is good for balance and posture, and offer some additional benefits over other types of exercise. Dance gets you moving in different directions, working

out different muscle groups, and engaging you cognitively. A study found that hip motion and spine flexibility was improved by a dancing exercise program. Another study found that dance helps increase bone density, keeping your bones strong and healthy. And heck, another dance study found that can help improve body image and quality of life. So get out on the dance floor or while you're living room floor, put on some

dank beats and twerque your way to help. Humans can sometimes do a bit of parkour, jumping off cars and walls and so on. But animals do parkour every day, and not just for the Instagram. Sometimes they do it to evade predators. Sometimes it's to catch a meal. Sometimes, if you're a cat, is because you've seen a ghost that nobody else can see but you. And sometimes you've got to do a full body workout just to go to the bathroom. Do you do you do any six

stunts Teresa? Well, you know, I do six stunts of the brain. Um, you know, I'm I'm always just like doing cool backflips with my words. You know. Maybe I'm doing some book stunts, you know, you know, like like you're doing BMX stunts. I'm doing book stunts with reading and learning. Yeah, growing my brain. It's brettistic. Wow. Well that's yeah. I'm sure we're impressing a lot of people with our sick brain stunts. But speaking of which, why

don't we learn about some animal animal stunts? And the first one is, I mean, I think it's a cool stunt. I think it's a fun party trick. It's about bat's urinating though, just wanted to warn you. Okay, okay, go on. So Teresa, how do you think bats go to the bathroom? Well, I have to say I've never thought about it until this very moment, but I would assume they have some sort of hole down towards their legs and and their waist comes out of it. That's very broad. I have

no idea. Well that's that's that's true enough as it is with basically most creatures. Yeah, I mean that is true. Wuana from you know, that's true? Yah? Yeah. Doesn't he eat guano and he eats it and m hmm and then he learns it's a bat poop and he freaks out? Yeah? Yeah, a spin Sure. Really was a seminal moment for me, like, you know, learning about animals such as uh, that whole scene with him he comes out of the elephant and he's like like the elephant giving birth. I think that's

the first time I ever watched anything give birth. Oh wow, Yeah, doesn't he also like bop a woman a pregnant woman's belly and a baby pops out of it like a football. I feel like I remember that. I don't remember that, but maybe I maybe my poor little child brain was so scarred from him coming out of the elephant vagina that I blocked that out like I was numb the whole rest of the viewing. Well. So, yes, bats do

excrete out of a hole, that's true. They do have, you know, the same sorts of genitals like that humans do. They like a penis or a vagina and erectum. I mean, think think about the physics of it though, Like, because they're hanging upside down, if they just like start peeing or pooping, where's it gonna go. It's gonna get all over them, right, I never thought about that, that's true. Yeah, so bats, Bats basically just do a backflip every time

they have to go to the bathroom. So flying foxes are a large species of bat found in Southeast Asia, and they flip around to pee. They hang onto the branch that they're on because there are boreal bats typically, and then they do their business and then they do this little shake just to make sure there's no peepee left. And baby flying foxes have to learn how to do this. I should sent you a link to a video baby. Oh my god, that's a huge bat. It is, yeah,

with it. It's so cute. It looks like a dog with wings. Yeah, they are. They are very cute little bats. They are called flying foxes because they do kind of look like foxes. Shake. It's all over its feet. Well, it is a baby. It's learning how to do it, but adults kind of get perfected down, so they just flip over, do a little shake and you know, to get the rest of the peeps out, and then like flip back around so they don't get I love the shake though, because it's very I guess human. I just

shakes his hands. I've never personally witnessed a man urinating, but you know, I have heard that they have to do a little shake to make you know, to make the last droplets. Yeah, exactly, exactly, get get the last drops out. It's a very relatable experience. You don't you don't want to get the you don't want to get p backsplash. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta make sure it's all gone before you go back up to down or it might get in your mouth. Exactly, you don't want that.

I mean some some people, well let's not talk about So that's a different podcast. That's a different podcast, not this one, not this learning adventure. So another interesting thing about bats is a little bit of anti bird heresy, which is, there is some evidence to suggest that bats maybe more efficient flyers than birds. So bats may actually use less energy to fly than birds because of their flexible, men brain covered wings. The wings can be shaped in

flight to reduce drag and be more efficient. So I'm not sure if they've reached like a consensus yet on whether bats are actually like the best flyers, but there I think it used to be thought that they were clumsier and there they were less efficient than birds, but there is new evidence to suggest actually the opposite. And

I apologize to my bird overlord about this. I'm probably gonna, you know this maybe the last you ever hear from me if the bird lobby catches onto the harrison, I'm speaking, but well, but best is subjective, right, I mean, like who has more style? Like exactly are they having fun? I mean that's important, that's really like the most fun? Exactly who doesn't have to flip around just to pee? You know, like talk about efficiency? Can't you know? Um? At least one species of bat may have also topped

the swift bird's record for fastest fly. So swifts can fly at speeds of up to seventy miles per hour, but Brazilian free tailed bats have been documented flying at speeds of up to a hundred miles per hour. Maybe it's all the abdominal stuff they've had to do, just like just to pee, Like you can you imagine having to do like a full body flip and crunch just to your every time you pee. Well, but don't bets fly.

They fly kind of like zig Zaggi, right, So maybe that's why we humans think they fly slower because that looks so messy, but to them that's like that's what it's supposed to be. So yeah, yeah, because they're always not hunting, they're hunting for insects midflight, and so they're you know, often kind of going around trying to trying to find bugs. But if they they once they set their mind to it, they can just you know, blow

us all out of the water. So the next spectacular stunt I want to talk to you about only involves a little bit of bottle leaf fluids, and it is the frog hopper. Is it a frog or no, it's a it's an insect. Okay, misleading name from the I know, who are they trying to fool? So, frog hoppers are a super family of what are called true bugs or him ip Tera, which includes a fids, plant hoppers, leafhoppers, and shield bugs. And they all suck juices out of plants.

It sort of like, you know, like plant vampires, and frog hoppers are often brightly colored, small, they're kind of what would you say they were, like shaped like a weird pistachio, Yeah, a little bit. Well, they have different colors. Some of them are more brown cock roach you're looking yeah, yeah, yeah, they come in all sorts of different colors, but that they are typically sort of like shaped and a sort I guess like a little bit like a nut, like

a nut. Yeah, And they have these hard stout wings that lay flat along their bodies and frog hopper nymphs. So immature frog hoppers will excrete a bunch of foul tasting foam on a host plant, so they will basically create these disgusting foam spit bubbles that protects them from predators because it's this like nasty, gross foam that they've

covered themselves in. Sounds like it's like quite a sacrifice, right, I mean, I feel like that's kind of it's a good defense strategy in general, if you want people to leave you alone, if you're just kind of like covered in spit, it's one way toward people away from you. I've found personally, I feel like you know, in every like like first grade class or whatever, there's like the one kid who just hates showering and their their parents just let them get away with it, and then they

just smell bad. Like do you think that they are doing it because they're more evolved and it's a form of protection, Like is it like, please don't talk to me. I'm I'm anxious, So I'm just gonna smell bad and everyone will stay away. I mean, I think I think it is kind of a it's it's I think they're a little bit before their time, because like right now, as we have to social distance, I've been annoyed by people who don't like stay six feet away from me.

But if I make myself smell real nasty and like cover myself in what looks like sort of a coating of drool or some nasty excretion, I think they will voluntarily stay six ft away from me. Ah, yeah, that's a good you know, that's a that's a great point. I never thought about that. I think I've seen like different strategies, like people wearing hula hoops around them sort of like or like pool noodle hats to keep people six feet away. But have you guys considered just smelling

real bad? And you know, I'm going to have to shower less and test this theory out exactly. Shower less, get get a stinkin, get a real you know, like a good vintage stink in, and people will stay away from you. And then it won't. It's not just to protect you, it protects them too. It's like a pro social thing. Now, to be stinky, it's good. Frog hoppers aren't only excellent at being stinky, they are excellent jumpers.

So some species of frog hoppers can jump up to a hundred times its own body length, which is a lot. So they're only about a quarter of an inch big, so about point six centimeters, so this amounts to a little over a couple of feet or seventy centimeters. But they can actually reach about four hundred g's of acceleration, meaning it could probably dodge a chameleon tongue. And you know that that that rocket sled chameleon tongue. That it's incredible to me. How animal? You know, like you put

a human do on a human dead just putty. I think, yeah, immediate combustion. Okay, new tender bio girl. Let me see that frog hopper. How's that? My tongue is like a frog hopper got four covered in saliva and stinky, stinky, I think, I mean to me, that's very attractive. So I think it's a good strategy. So their hind legs are structored, structured like bow strings, so they can contract their muscles pulling back on a flexible rubbery protein connected

to a hard cuticle. And then when they release it, this shoots their legs against the ground like an arrow, which then propel is the frog hopper forward, so they it's it's like a slingshot in their legs. And it's kind of interesting because these animals that can often achieve these really high speeds will have an interesting mechanical advantage

going on. Like with the chameleon tongue, it was sort of a squeeze and shoot forward technique using the slippery of friction energy built building up against that hard bone. And then here it's like basically like a bow and arrow, where it's shooting its legs backwards and then that propels the body forward. It's very interesting how these animals basically cheat. I feel like hearing all this isn't just making me very insecure about my human body. Um, just like how

very little I can do with it. I can't push a ball of poop bigger than my body mass. That's it doesn't like you can't jump like a hundred times your own body length. You can't like orient yourself using the sun by standing on poop. You can't shoot your tongue out of your face like a rocket sled. A lot of a lot of shortcomings we have, you know. But none of these animals can make podcast, So I guess we do have that. That's true. That's true. That

you know, that's how I go to sleep at night. Like, sure, sure you can you can get four hundreds of accelerations, but can you speak into a microphone for about an hour in a very very basic way? The evolutionary advantage of like, I mean, I that was a joke. But then when I think about it's like humans can spread information quickly, So podcasting that's just kind of like an evolution of spreading information. Yeah, we don't. We don't win in terms of our bodies when it comes to nature

or floppy sort of flop flop around bodies. I mean, our bodies are not to not to be too down on our bodies. We are actually pretty good. One of the things we're good at is long distance jogging and stamina, and we've historically used that to great effect hunting. But yeah, our true strength is our brains. And then you know, like you said, like the brain stunts that we can do, Like okay, so you're your legs are a slingshot, I

can just make a slingshot and kill you. But the thing is, like the animals when they have these instincts, they do it, and they tend to do it pretty straightforward, like the instinctive they do it for survival. Like, yes, we spread information, but oftentimes we spread bad information that's wrong. So are there cases of animals where they're like, I've evolved to tell you know, all my other honey bees where the honey is, but some of them do it wrong.

They're like, no, it's here, and they're just wrong because I feel like that's what humans do, where we're like, this is how to save the world, and it's like that's bad. The world is not flat or whatever. You know, Oh, absolutely that happens, and it's a It can be a

big problem that some animals have evolved solutions for. So like with seagulls, seagulls will squawk at each other if there is a threat, and they but some seagulls can be a little bit paranoid, so they'll start squawking when there's no threat, and seagulls actually learn which seagulls cry

wolf and will ignore them. So they they will learn like the sound and look of the seagull that is not good at detecting danger, and it's like, oh, that's just frank, he doesn't know what he's talking about, and they'll ignore that seagull. I love that our last really awesome jumper of this section actually doesn't have any gross body excretions, which I think, well, maybe they do, but

I don't know. It's a disappointment to me. I was hoping this one would have some some some oozing going on, but unfortunately, this is just an adorable animal that jumps really well. So clip Springers are cute small antelope found in southern and eastern Africa. It's about the size of a medium dog and about eighteen to forty pounds and a couple feet tall, So real huggable if they weren't wild animals that don't want you to hug them at all. Do you want to just like google an image of them?

Because they are very cute. I love these names. Yeah, clip springer an acute name. It actually means in Afrikaans rock jumper. So because they are very good at jumping on rocks. That's their whole thing. Is it like a because you know how goats jump on rocks? Is it is? It? Is it goat like? It is in the way that it does it? Yeah, it is goat like. It's not directly it's like distantly related to goats, but they're you know, pretty distant, but yeah, it is. They have similar capabilities

of a mountain goat. And they actually have these really dainty little hoofs that are kind of cone shaped, almost like you know ballet slippers, like the point shoes, and how they're sort of shaped like these these long cones with a really hard flat bottom, and it walks on the tips of its little cylindrical hoofs and can leap and land on very tiny little areas, so it can leap from rock to rock and scale these sheer areas

and are they're very graceful. Another cute cute thing about them is they're actually monogamous and they practice the opposite of social distancing with their partners because they apparently have to be within sixteen feet or about five meters of each other at all times or they start to panic. So wow, that sounds like dependency. Yeah, it's a little clinging, right,

like you gotta you gotta let each other breathe. They can't, you know, But yeah, they I mean, they are a very tempting knack for a variety of predators where they live. So it does make sense that they because if they do get out of their eyesight, there is a chance one of them just gets gobbled up. But yeah, it's it is. Oh and also, um, females tend to be larger and heavier than males. So second antelope patriarchy, do

the females protect the males? I don't. I think that their whole form of self defense is spring away as fast as possible and scale the mountain as quickly as they can. So I think that that's there, that's their main thing. I think that the females and the males both want to protect each other and want to stay close and kind of like be able to alert each

other of danger as it's happening. So you know, there there is a certain amount of um, you know, love and care there, but it's basically like oops, we gotta run now up This cliff was a video of a a zoo had a couple of crip sorry, a couple of clip springers, and they actually built them like this little rock climbing wall so to enrich them, and they put some some tasty leaves at the top for them

to get as sort of a form of enrichment. But one of the clip springers, instead of like going up, they created this like really interesting route for them, a bunch of like rocks and like would steps and and things like a really fun little path for them to climb up. And one of them just basically leaned against the this little climbing wall and reached its neck out and grabbed the leaves and didn't do any things they set up for them. And I found that I really

could relate to that. It's like it's like peeling all the stickers off a Rubik's cube and putting them on the right way. Like technically I got I got the goal. Yeah, It's like I don't. It's like it's in a zoo. It doesn't need a run. It's like, I don't need to do this. This is not like you you've taken away my freedom. I'm not you think I still have ambition, Like you think I'm gonna do your little games and your little puzzles. No, now it's it's time for leaf time.

I'm just gonna grab it. Uh huh. Animals are naturally capable of some pretty incredible stunts, death defying jumps, and flips, all during the course of their normal lives. Humans are well, we get a nice participation trophy for effort. Just because our floppy, fleshy bodies aren't the most impressive in the Annual Kingdom doesn't mean we can't use our innovations to

achieve some pretty incredible and often stupidly dangerous stunts. In Australian Felix bomb Gardner jumped out of a small capsule attached to a huge weather balloon twenty four miles into the sky, almost to the edge of the stratosphere. He was the first human to reach supersonic speed without a vehicle. That's pretty cool and all, But when we return, we'll talk about a tiny animal who reaches incredible speeds not

by falling, but by jumping through water uphill in a snowstorm. Okay, maybe I made up that last part, but it's still very impressive. We all know, please are great jumpers, especially those of us who can sort with small furry animals who are walking buffets for fleas. They can jump around fifty times their own body length, which is rather impressive. But please our well dirty little cheaters. They don't use their muscles. Instead, they use biotechnology. Inside their legs are

little springs. Their legs work similarly to the frog hopper we discussed earlier. An elastic protein in its legs is used as a slingshot to push its shins against the ground, allowing it to catapult itself into the air and onto the unsuspecting fury butt of my dog Cookie. But enough about these little cheating wine parasites. Let's take a look at an animal who is the world best jumper in the good old fashioned way. Using muscles, grit, and determinations. So, Teresa,

are you are you much of a swimmer? Much of a uh, you know, diver swimmer? Um? You know, I am a water sign um and I do have a lot of water in my astrology chart, but I do not consider myself an excellent swimmer, though I do love bean and water and I love water. Probably would drown if I was being chased by swimmer. Yeah, yeah, I

I'm okay at swimming. When I was a kid, I had a really bad experience at a water park where I went down a slide and then I got stuck under a buoy and a lifeguard had to save me, and then she scolded me for not knowing how to swim. But I knew how swim. I just got stuck under a buoy and it really embarrassed me. And I've had sort of a bad, I don't know, I guess a bad relationship with swimming ever since then. But you know so well, and I know it sounds like it was

a lifeguards mishandling. I feel like, you know, she she should have You're a child, I know, I feel like shouldn't I know? It was not great, Like I look, I appreciate her saving my life. Let me get that, Let me get that out there first. Not no complaints from me, you know, saving me, But it is your job. It is in the title of the job, you know, when it hurt to maybe And I was only like six years old, so lifeguard, I mean, she should be grateful she got to save your life. I know I'm

employing her. I'm giving her work to do by not being good at doing water park things. Yeah, but yeah, it's uh, I'm always kind of jealous. I think of sea creatures with the eaves that they glide through the water. So I want to channel that jealousy into a learning journey. We if you can't do teach, so I want to talk about some of the best jumpers in the water, and maybe the best jumpers in the entire world. So

these are called copa pods. Copa pods are small crustaceans that are about the size of a flea, and they look like freaky little spaceships with antenna and hair. I shared an image with you here. They're they're interesting looking, right, Yeah, this is the almost like kind of like weird looking butterflies spaceships maybe cat cat toys. Yeah, they kind of look like cat toy is weird fishing lures, um some kind of like weird weird art, bad weird bad art. So not only are they as small as a flea,

many of them are actually parasites feeding on host fish. Uh. And they are actually better jumpers than fleas, and fleas are very good jumpers. So copa pods within milliseconds, can accelerate to a thousand times their own body length. That would be like the speed of a six foot tall person jumping six thousand feet like six Eiffel towers stacked on top of each other. So they need, yeah, they need that amount of force to be able to move

quickly through the water. So when they jump like this, they don't actually move a distance of six thousand times their body size. It's just that's the speed at which they are moving. So because the water slows them down, or why aren't they Yeah, because the water slows them down significantly, So they only move a few millimeters maybe several times their own size, but at a ridiculous amount of speed. And they can do this over and over to either catch prey or dodge predators. Whoa, it's like

a little spermy or fish. It looks like a fish with a huge poop coming out of it, but a huge poopy tail. Yeah, with a bunch of legs and a poop tail. Yeah, it doesn't look like it's swimming very efficiently. That's that's the interesting Like the I think it's I think it's slowed down, but it's like it looks like it's quite a bit of effort the way it's like, oh, yeah, you know, it's not like just like this is a video of a copa pod like jumping out of the path of a fish. Okay, I

see it. Yeah, super fess. Oh it does go very far. Yeah, it goes really really far for its body size, but and it goes super fast. Like I think that video is slowed down. So and when you're looking at them, you were noticing how they're how weird it is that they swim where like their legs seem to all be moving. Um, so they actually throw back their five pairs of tiny legs in sequence like a rowing team, and that actually

really helps. It's like it is similar to how rowing teams work, like because you have all of those oars all pushing back in sequence, you're propelling the boat forward. As quickly as you can. And they actually have the strongest leg muscles proportionate to their size in the animal kingdom, being able to produce ten times the force of any other animal studied, So they never skip leg day. Every

day is leg day. Yeah. And what's interesting is, like the other a couple of other examples we've talked about with like the with the frog hopper and with the chameleon tongue, they use mechanical advantage to get that speed up, like either a bowing and arrow kind of mechanism or that like soap in your in your hand mechanism, but they actually use their legs similar to a human jump or kangaroo jump um where they just use the strength

of their leg muscles, which is really impressive. Like if you compare them to a grasshopper where they actually have a spring mechanism in their leg and that allows them to jump so quickly. It's these little copa pods are just using the sheer force of their swoll legs to be able to jump through the water um. And they have that torpedo like shape which also helps them cut through the water, which is really important because they're so tiny.

The water or the viscousness of the water, like the thickness of the water is provides a lot of resistance to them because they're so small, water is really thick, kind of like traveling through a ball pit or something. So if they go slowly, the water surrounding them can actually push away their prey, and by leaping so forcefully, they can sneak up attack their prey and cut through the water tension. It's always funny to me when it's like, what is this. What animal has the strongest legs in

the animal kingdom? And you're thinking of like some crazy rhinoceros with like huge muscly legs, and it's just this tiny, weird like flea creature. It's almost like teleporting. It moves so fast to not just displace the water around it. I wonder it's like you know cats when they move slowly. Have you ever seen like when cats, like you turn around and it's frozen, and then you turn it back around but it's still frozen, and yeah, and they get

closer and closer. You're like you hide behind a wall and then you like look over the cats like there, and then you like look away and they think that they're moving, but maybe they're teleporting like the I think cat, well, you know, I think cats actually do slip into a fourth dimension. But that's kind of its own whole own topic. So next I want to talk about spinner dolphins. So spinner dolphins are these amazing dolphins that can perform these

impressive aerial stunts. So it looks basically like a dolphin. It's a little small. It's kind of a small dolphin with a long snout, and they are found in offshore tropical waters, and as is common in most dolphins, they like to jump out of the water, but they put a spin on it. Literally, Yeah, they actually spin and rotate as they jump out of the water. So I are you checking out that video? It's very cool. I feel like I've seen Are they around like Kawaii? I

feel like I saw these dolphins? Would I think they're all over the world, And yeah, they They're found all over the world and offshore tropical waters, so you think you may have seen these? Yeah, that's awesome. I love

I love watching dolphins jump out of the water. I was on a whale watching boat trip out to the Channel Islands and just kind of circled them and there were these huge pods of I think bottle knows dolphins, and they were just it was incredible because they were these massive, like feeding frenzies, and it's always really fun to watch them. But I didn't get to see any

spinner dolphins, which is too bad. But they will travel hundreds of miles a day, and they will often leap and spin outside of the water as if they're showboating. It really looks like they are just showing off how incredibly cool and good at stunts they are. Yeah, they're just Dolphins are very interesting because they're so cute but so vicious. Well they're they're vicious to prey items and

sometimes each other. They've got some weird I feel like I hear a lot of weird predatorial stuff about dolphins. They do like to play with their food, but so do cats, so you know, I think it's a double standard. We're like, look at the cat. It's so cute. It's like shredding a yarn ball, like and the cat is imagining the yarn ball is just the guts, the guts strewn around of a mouse. And but then a dolphin plays with its food and like tortures a seal and

we're like, oh, that terrible dolphin. But you know, I don't know, I thineah, we we are pretty fucked up to as humans because like chicken nuggets. If you think about it, we're taking chicken and making it into the shape of um, extinct dinosaurs. And that's just a fun thing we do four kids. Yeah, that's kind of messed up. Who's the real monster? A dolphin innocently torturing a seal or us turning chicken into paste that we form into

the shapes of fun things. You know, probably both actually, But anyways, so they can often spin multiple rotations, like over three hundred and sixty degrees. It is really spectacular. You guys have to watch a video of these guys. All include a link to a video. Actually saw. One of the videos I saw is that like show Spy on the Wild where they they had like a robot fish swim around to capture the dolphins movements. But I think the dolphins are happy enough to like show off

their cool moves to like a human. I don't think you need the subterfuge of a robot fish. So they have these incredibly strong abdominal muscles so they can rapidly beat their tails, launch themselves out of the water, and spin around, and scientists aren't really sure why they do this. Like most dolphin jumping, the exact reason behind these spins isn't really well known to researchers, but it's suspected that it has something to do with maybe removing parasites, maybe communication,

or maybe just like for fun. I'm kind of I kind of think they they're showing off, what a broad range of different Yeah, yeah, I think they're showoffs personally. Yeah, I could see that. Our last water stunt, I want to talk about our some Jesus spiders hallelujah. So but would you hate a spider who's actually Jesus though? Could you? Uh? Probably because then it could come back to life. Yeah, well I am This Jesus spider is just gonna turn the other chilis array, which is you know, spider sang

thingies on its face. Anyways, So Jesus spiders, Um, well, actually nobody calls them that but me. These are actually called fishing spiders and they can walk on water. And you know, I think I for one welcome the coming of spider Christ. But you know, you can be blasphemous if you choose, Teresa. So it's so big. I'm watching the video and it's so big. So fishing spiders are a genus of large semi aquatic spiders. Teresa's freaking out.

How's it going, I'm washing the spider video. It's so nasty. Okay, cool. So some species grow up to three inches in diameter, including the legs, and typically these large ones are the ladies. Because the ladies are larger than the males, they are lightweight and covered in hydrophobic hairs, so it makes skittering

across the surface of water easy peasy. So they will wait near the edge of a body of fresh water and then display their legs on the surface of the water, kind of feeling for vibrations like they would with a web. They're just like basically, their legs are sonar and they're waiting to sense movement, and once they sense movement, they will dash out onto the surface of the water towards their prey, which could be like an insect, like an

aquatic insect, larva could be a small fish. They're actually known to be able to catch small fish, and they uh probably trick their prey into thinking that they're Jesus because they can walk on water, but then they just eat them, so they can even dive under the water.

And because their hairs are so hydrophobic, meaning they repel water, they are actually buoyant, so they have to claw their way under the water by holding onto a plant, and air will cling to their hydrophobic fuzz, which gives them like this silvery like silver surfer silver sheen, and they will breathe through that trapped air, and then when they want to surface, they just pop out of the water like a cork, emerging dry because of their hydrophobic hairs.

This sounds we should get rid of them. I feel like they sound like they have too much power. It sounds sounds like you don't accept our Lord and Savior Jesus. Spider, this is you know. Do you remember that? Do you remember that sand like the the I think it's like called zand like with a z zand where you could put it underwater, but it had like a waxy coating, so you would make these designs underwater and then pull the sand out and it was dry. No, I don't

think I had that. Were you even alive in the nineties, Teresa, I remember the sticky hands I don't remember the sand. I didn't get a lot of fat, the fat because I feel like these were not allowed. You're you weren't allowed to have sand stuffed animals and monopoly, but you were deprived sand as a toy. That's a lot of I just had the natural sand from the beach, I see, I see. No, I had the fancy sand you could put underwater and pull out and it was like dry

and it was really cool. But then if you like played with it too much, it lost that like coating that made it dry, and then it would just get wet and then it was like expensive normal sand. But basically this sand is like the spider gotchat of that.

And they're actually pretty interesting because they can test the surface of the water with their legs, like I mentioned before, and they're so sensitive they can actually tell the difference between what is causing the vibrations, so they'll ignore things

like falling leaves. And they also know to flee the movement of large fish like a trout that's going to eat them, and if it's but if it's got that nice perfect vibration like a little insect or a little fish, they know to get on over there and eat them up and some of them have even created drag lines made out of silk so they don't overshoot their prey, which I find kind of cute actually, because they're like, you know, just kind of kind of like bungee jumping,

but across the water sounds demonic. It sounds like they are too smart for you know, you know, if if Jesus came back, and I'm not a religious person, but if Jesus came ac and was a giant spider, you know, nobody would nobody would, uh know, we we would just ignore the second Coming of Jesus because it's a giant spider and were so superficial that were like your giant Harry spider. You you could your you must be bad.

And he's like healing people, walking on water, making bread and wine and fish like look this, this this spider literally fishes and teaches teaches you how to fish by walking on water. Very christ like, I think, Okay, yeah, I guess I could see that connection. Yeah, yeah, see what I mean. And then yeah, okay, but the part where it eats that frog, that that that freaks me out a little bit. Well, you know, even even even the Messiah isn't perfect the spider Messiah, you know, and

maybe that frog is evil. You don't know that it's true. That's very possible. See that little tiny, little like snidy whiplash mustache on that frog. I think that's an evil frog. Well, Teresa, that is it for the scary spiders and all the other things. Um, did what did you learn anything fun today? I did? I learned a lot. I learned to sleep with one I opened when I'm around a body of water rice the spiders are around. But no, I learned a lot. I learned a lot about tongues and and

uh that's and all the other things. See learned a lot about tongues. That's this is this is the true value of this podcast. Well you got anything to plug Teresa? Oh sure, I have a podcast, Todd, you can tell me anything. Um, it's not apparently not spiders can't tell you about Christ's spiders. Well, you know the second part of it is I will still judge you is sky, But I was m No. It's comedians confessing something they want to get off their chest. Um, usually a secret something.

It's always heavy, sometime to light and dumb. Yeah, and then we get into it that's that's really cool. Yeah, well I love your podcast. Thanks. Oh yeah, I guess you could follow me too, just personally, Larissa Tea. It's like Theresa Lee, but the first letters are switched. Yes, you can you pull a little switch through on Twitter. Hand well, you can find us on the internet at Creature feature Pot on Instagram, at Creature feet Pot on Twitter.

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