Bee Movie? More Like C MINUS Movie!

about bees. But Katie, you might say B Movie came out in two thousand seven, isn't it too late to talk about it in such passionate detail. That's where you're freaking wrong. It's never too late to take B Movie to task for its in accuracies, sexism, and slander against bees. Joining me today to dissect, destroy, and overthrow the B Movie are the perfect duo to take on this incredibly

important task. The hosts of the Bechdel Podcast Movie Experts, Feminist dream Team be Appreciators, Caitlin Durante and Jamie loft us h. We love bees. I think the bees are problematic, but they're capitalists. But are they so many thoughts? So much to discuss? Yes, much to discuss. Yeah, this movie. It's galvanizing, isn't it. I think it galvanizes the nation. It's divisive, it's it's a flashpoint. You know. So you guys,

you guys have watched the B movie in question. Yes we did, Yes, I just watched it last night for the first time. I will say there are many different lenses through which you can analyze and examine this movie. I would say, examining it from a strictly screen running point of view, I would say it is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It's okay, I mean, yes, is it bad, Yes, yes, But it's like switches it's it kept switching genres so often that I was captivated.

I was like, wait a second, this is a this is a legal drama. And we decided that two thirds of the way through it was a rom com. It started as a rom com that I was really not on board with between a B and a human female and also the human female, like, I think it's very I feel like the B Jerry Seinfeld B Barry B. Benson is very much getting like, for lack of a

better phrase, very much getting friend zoned. Like I don't think renee Zellwigger is in love with the B but he keeps being like, oh, I don't have a human girlfriend, and I'm like, no, you don't, right, No, she's never reciprocated in any way. Yeah, isn't she dating Patrick Warburton in this that relationship? Yeah, she does break up with him, I think because he is a jerk. But I mean, this is a lesson for for all guys who kind like hang on to girls and be friends with them

when they're in a bad relationship. Just because they get out of a bad relationship doesn't mean they're going to have sex with a B. I mean, thank you finally someone. I didn't know how much I needed to hear that. I think you knew it internally, but it's good to hear it like externally. I've never heard it exactly. So I actually talked about the B movie on Abe Everson in Michael Swim's podcast Frame Rate, and we dissected the movie.

But I really wanted to get it more into the B biology because I mean, this may come as a shock to you guys, but this movie doesn't quite get it right, does not quite get the biology of bees right. And this is a pattern with movies about bees or hive structures where it just like does not pay attention

at all to the reality. And you can tell from the very first second of the movie because there's a bunch of brobes guy bees going around and we're gonna get into chad bees exactly, so we're gonna get into all the nitty gritty of every way this movie is wrong biologically, philosophically, morally, uh so spiritually animatedly, like the animation is like the worst animation I've ever seen. I

was okay. I will say there were some shots that I was like, you know what, that was pretty good shot, The shot where he's on the tennis ball and gravity is pulling him down. I don't know if that's how gravity works, but it looked it looks pretty cool. It's a cartoon, I mean, well, I guess specifically like character design wise, character design is yeah, it all looks like

dog crap. I empathize with nobody in the movie harshly because their facial expressions are terrible, uh and partially because none of them are likable. And it's also Jerry Seinfeld is not likable. I also didn't realize how like, how many, how many like famous people were in this movie forty five seconds, like so many John good Man, You're like, yeah, I was very, very, a very day drunk. Renee Zellwegger.

Oh that was I had that in my and and I took a couple of notes and then I was like, there's no point, but yeah, I did write Renee Renee Zellwegger, uh drunk. I also wrote that down. I actually wrote copious notes. So I don't think that thanks for doing the work, and you're welcome. That's not even a slight to Renee Zellwegger. Like, I don't think I could get through that recording session. So yeah, she did what she needed to do, and I, you know, I support it.

I like, if I was in that situation and I don't actually drink that much, this would be the movie, the B movie and anything was going to send you into a dark place. Yeah, I would be like, all right, time to get boxed wine for the first time in my life. M hm. So in this first section, which I'm going to call so part one, I'm gonna I mean, I'm actually just gonna go through the movie in the order in which the movie appears and fact check everything.

So it starts out with this incredible, famous, infamous quote. According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course flies anyway, because bees don't care what humans think is possible. So a couple of things, well several things. It's not true at all.

There's nothing I mean, First of all, laws of aviation is a legal term, not a physics or scientific terms, so I don't know what they're I think they mean laws of physics there. But even according to laws of area dynamics, there's nothing against there's nothing that says bees can't fly. The only thing I could see that this was referencing is that in the nineteen thirties physicists couldn't work out the mathematical model for how bees can fly.

But that's because physicists in the nineties didn't know anything about bees yet. They just didn't know anything fools. Wait, I okay, I'm embarrassed to say I was. I think that we might slowly be unraveling that I was actually like maybe a little more into this movie than I originally led on. I I kind of took that original slide as fact, and then immediately was like, wow, what underdogs, I'm ready to root what we do or want? Well,

that really affects my read of the movie. If the first thing you're told is a lie, Yeah, I mean it is a little bit like, Hey, if they're defying the laws of physics, perhaps the most oppressive set of laws in the universe, it would be cool to root for them, like, hey, you know, do it speak truth

to physics? But sadly no. Now it's so uh actually, more recently than one might think, like within the past, I think like ten years has been like the discoveries about how exactly bees fly in a very precise mathematical way. It's not like it's not like before physicists were like, there's just no way these bees can fly. This is this is magical, it's God is real, and God is what evil? Is this? What a weird hell that would

be to die on? Yeah? Yeah, just like, well pack it up, boys, Physics can't explain bees, and therefore physics is wrong. Physics canceled. So. One of the problems with the physicists in the nineteen thirties was that they assumed bees flap their wings up and down, like I guess little cartoon birds or something, which no, they don't which

you I guess it's hard to look. I guess if you're in the nineteen thirties, you can't see a bee in slow motion, so you just don't know, Like there's they fly so fast that I guess they just assumed they flew like birds, but they don't. How did they fly? They fly? Their wings actually go side to side with a little bit of rotation motion, so kind of like a hummingbird. Actually very similar to how a hummingbird flies, so so to the side to side with with rotation motion,

little propellers sort of. It's like if you take your arms and then just kind of like, you know, do a weird dance move. It's going back and forward while you're rotating your hands around. I'm doing how I dance, so I don't appreciate you calling it weird. It has fun been happens. I just waved my arms around in circles and moved no other part of my body. It feels socially distanced. It's the aligned dance of bees of flight.

Through this movement the and through the shape and angle of their wings, they actually create tiny tornadoes or vortices at the tips of their wings, which helps their wings actually kind of be more vertical as they fly and more air to pass over the wings and giving them increased lift. So, yeah, sounds like physics to me. Sounds very physics to me. Any of this could be true. There could be a twist where you're like, just kidding, I made all that up, and I have to be

like magnets, they're magnet attic magnets. They actually can detect magnetic fields. But that's a topic for another podcast. No wait, it's actually a good topic for this one. Never mind, these are magnets. Wow, they're not met No, they can detect magnetic fields, but that doesn't mean that they are don't like, take a bee and try to stick it to your fridge. Don't let bees near your computers. No you can't, well don't, but they're they're not magnets, so

it's okay. But also, don't letting the show. Don't let bees near your computer because of all that be p We're going to look up. That's true. They're going to get your virus on your computer. That's the real problem. Www. Dot honey dot com. And it's just you don't want to. Actually don't know. Maybe that's a good website. I've never been there. I think there's cops on that website. This podcast sponsored by b WW dot Honey dot com, but not Honey with three es. Could that takes you to

something weird? Never mind? So okay. Second falsehood in the movie is that seinfeld B has a mom and a dad, which I think later in the movie they're like during the inexplicable court case. Maybe I should give a summary of the movie. First, I was I was not prepared for the court case. No, Actually, Jamie and Caitlin, do you want to just give a real quick rundown of the entire movie in like two minutes for it? You're yeah, Caitlin,

famous recapper. Okay, So we opened on Jerry suin felud B. He's like, I don't know about this whole working the same job every day for the rest of my life in this hive. I'd rather go out and see what the world is and I want to fly outside. So it goes outside, and inso doing he meets a human woman who he falls in love with. And it is important that it's Renee's lwagger. Yes, and here's the thing. Bees aren't allowed to talk to humans. That's a like number one b rule that he breaks the rule and

talks to her. So they developed like a friendship like and also like an unrequited love situation because as we discussed, she does not love him back, which doesn't really resolve. It's not like they end up together, so why even set that up? But she does name her flower shop after him at the end. But okay, so she's a florist, and I forget exactly how this happens. But he discovers that humans basically use bees because they go to the grocery store together and he sees all he sees all

the honey. He's like, where does this come from? And then he discovers these like bee farms um in which humans are exploiting be labor and stealing their honey. Then like a labor legal drama kind of dropped the rom com at this point, and then we totally pivot to legal drama. Something I kept getting frustrated and confused by is he went all the way to this like honey farm and then all of a sudden he's just back

in his hive. I'm like, you would think that that would be a whole movie, right, like having to get back to your hive. But he can seem to just like operate back there whenever he wants, even though it be a great distance. He spends a lot of time getting there. But then all of a sudden, he's like, and now I'm back with my mom and dad, and I that was wholate How did you get there? When you calculate the speed of bee flight and you see the number of miles between the bee farm and beef hive,

it would take approximately seven hundred days. And that's only Okay, that's only the first half of the movie. So he after seeing uh this like exploitation of labor and the stealing of their byproduct that is honey. Of course, um, he decides to sue the human race in this legal this like long drawn out court plot line, and the bees win. So because the bees have won this lawsuit against humans who are now no longer to they basically have to give all their honey back to the bees.

And because the bees have all this excess honey, they no longer have to work. So the bees just like take a very long sabbatical from work. But because the bees aren't not in the world pollinating the flowers and the and the trees and all of the crops and everything like that. The world starts all, like the plant life just starts to die. What happens when you give people the fruits of their labor, they just stop working.

This starts to have this This all is happening pretty late in the movie, and it's like kind of the first steaks of the movie. And then it is so like the steaks get so high so fast, Like you go into the movie thinking is this bee going to have sex with this human woman? And then at the end you're like, oh, wait, no, the steaks were actually humanity itself was at steak. I mean the entire planet, because if all the plants die, it's like pick a

Lane B movie, which is it? Yeah, I should probably not get into the fact checking already, but it doesn't make sense that if honey bees died, all the plants die, because honey bees are not the only pollinators in the world, Thank you very much, but continue Caitlin. So so he realizes that he made a huge mistake by suing the human race and stopping their honey product. He made a mistake by trying to end be slavery stake. Those bees

really shouldn't have taken a vacation. Look what fucking happened, right. There's also this weird like I don't even know what this is, but there's like this suggestion. It's like, well, if we like give provide social programs to people, they'll just take the free handouts. And it's just like, that's messed up anyway. So they go to Pasadena, California, the one last place where there's any flowers in the world, the roads. I was like, wow, this got hyperlocal, and

they are there. They are going there to steal the flowers and fly them back to New York City and they do that, and then the world is allowed like the bees are like, okay, let's keep pollinating again. Let's get back to work. We I messed up. Sorry, they

just work here. It was so crazy because in the beginning of the movie they were like, like, you work until you die at the hive, and Barry b Benson is like that seems bad, and he's right, and then at the end of the movie they're like, actually, we were happy working until we died, and he's like oops.

So it was another totally useless plot where they were like, oh wait, actually this like be like, you know, work from the cradle to the grave structure is really troubling and bees have never enjoyed themselves and like what are we doing? Why is this? What is this useless? You know, like the day after day. And then at the end they're like, actually that was amazing, and we messed. We miss working for no money and we shouldn't have taken

a vacation, right. We love indentured servitude. We love not having a union. It's amazing. Actually we were happy not getting to keep our labor and never getting a break. Anyways, completely garbage capitalist propaganda snuck into this Jerry Seinfeld b vehicle. I thought that it at very least it was gonna end by being like and that's why you know, we should maybe question be capitalism ideas. But in the end they're like, no, is actually great, it was great, and

Jerry Seinfeld is never going to pay anybody. The happy ending is that the honey is be approved honey. It doesn't really say that they they're still giving away the honey. And then I guess I don't really know because like how do you pay a bee? Uh? Except with honey? Because that is their currency. And and so I don't know, I mean, and then like but then he's like, but the good the good ending is that Barry B. Benson gets to be a lawyer and gets to be what's

called a pollen jock. And we'll get into that too, which is basically the bees that get to go around there, these buff guy bees, which again we'll get into that. They also have like a greas or aesthetic where they like wear leather coats and like have like fifties like tap gun with bees, you know, like rustling around in flower reproductive systems. And so his ending is great because

I get to work as a lawyer, which solves everything. Right, no bee should be exploited without a lawyer by their side. Lawyer is famously non exploit Tanner profession. Well, there was one joke that I did like that I didn't think was terrible in the movie where Chris Rock is a mosquito who pops in and out of the story and he becomes a lawyer with b Jerry Seinfeld at the end, and he's like, well, I'm a lawyer now I already was a bloodsucking parasite. So this works great, and it's like,

ha hah, funny, fun joke. I laughed so hard, like my guts just spilled out of my butt. Every joke in his movie ten out it ten No my butt. I just kept screaming at my butt. No, I laughed too hard. My guts are coming out of my butt. Also, Cathy Bay Kathy Bates is in this movie, not to what Oprah realized. Oprah is the judge who was Kathy Bates. Kathy Bates was the mom. Oh, Kathy Bates and Barry Levinson, where Jerry Seinfeld Mommy and Poppy. But yeah, so that's

that's a good recap. Thank you, so yeah, thank you so much, Caitlin. That was amazing and so now you get a sense. For those of you who have not seen the movie, I highly encourage you see to watch this movie before you listen to the podcast. I'm just kidding.

Don't do that, So don't it's not worth the Larry King, Larry King, I laughed so hard, I threw up so sience b Seinfeld has a mom and a dad, and later in the movie, during the court case, it's like, oh, they're actually adopted, which I don't know why it was in the court case. But whatever. But the problem is, like they keep saying in the movie that, oh, we're all cousins, but we all have adoptive mom and dad's It just doesn't make any sense with how actual bee

hives work. So, honey bees, are you social? Meaning they live in this hive structure with these different roles and they all work together for the success of the hive. There is one queen and that is the only mother in the entire hive, and everyone in the hive are sisters and brothers, and it's mostly sisters and the few brothers that are there are mostly useless and just grow up to go mate somewhere else. So any dating in the hive, any like like parents or something, would be

brothers and sisters. And that's weird and I don't like it. I don't like it either. Also, Matthew Brodrick by Matthew Beedric, I'm trying to It's like it feels like it should be right there, right right, like Matthew Beedrick or Matthew Broadby, but it's actually there at all. I like Rombe. So here's a fun fact. Male bees what which are called drones? Uh die shortly after mating with an unfertilized queen. So I'm sorry, you're not gonna have a mom and a dad.

You're gonna have a mom and a dad who like banged once and died. So here's the deal with male bees is they don't go around doing work in the hive. They don't become lawyers. They have one job and that is to mate and then die. So when males reach sexual maturity, they either leave the hive on their own volition or they are forcibly evicted because after that point, like they are completely useless. They're dead weight. They're like, all right, get out of here, buddy, either go get

late or just like get out and die. So that I know this is a win from Beef, And like, I like the cut to the chase. Matriarchy. Yeah, it is, it is. It is a matriarchy. So, uh, they kick out the male bees, they go and join a mating swarm where they will have sex in mid air while flying, which is cool, which is honestly a cool way to go out. But they only got yeah, oh you have, I've seen it. I've seen be sex. And they looked at you, and the baby looked at you. And now

we all started to kiss. There used to be a bet. There used to be a bee hive like on the side of my house that like, and I was I was very like, don't kill they don't call an exterminator. I like the days and so then yeah, we would get to see the bees. We thought they were my mom's that they were playing, but they were having sex. Oh yeah. Yeah. If you see two bees like attached to each other in the air, um, they're having a sex and then the male explodes. So I wish I

had known that would have been a really formative cool thing. Yeah, they're there, they're just explode. So that's fun that you got to see that. As a kid, um may latch onto a queen, preferably an unfertilized queen, but they'll take what they can get. So they will evert their indo fallus, which means turning their wiener inside out so that it like goes into the queen's um reproductive organs. So it's like turning in sock inside out. I guess, but it's

your weener. Uh. And he puts it into her opened Yeah, it is hot. He puts it into her opened sting chamber, and the sting chamber is actually the same chamber that the stinger comes out of, because the stinger is actually a modified ovipositor, which is what bees and other insects used to deposit eggs, and bees they no longer use that for depositing eggs, but they use it as a weapon.

Uh So, the uh so, basically he puts his indo fallus into the sting chamber and he will he just at that point locks on and is paralyzed until he ejaculates, does a cool backflip, and then his penis explodes and he dies. And you can actually sometimes hear it if you listen carefully. It's like a little popping sound like be fireworks, but it's the sound of a thousand bee wieners exploding. This is this thing I've ever I've heard about, Horny. This is great. Yeah, it's getting hot hetty in here,

but yeah, the be dies. So it's a real real twist on the petty more kind of thing, you know. You know what I'm talking about, Like a pretty big sounds like a pretty big death a grand more. Yeah. So basically, all the like the pollen jocks or whatever they're called in the movie, would not be male female. Yeah, and we're actually going to get into this in the next section right after the break, but yeah, absolutely there would be all like in the movie they show all

of these pollen jocks. They're all these buff males and absolutely just complete patriarchal capitalist propaganda. Totally wrong. Um, so we are going to hear the real truth that they don't want you to hear the break that alright, So perhaps the most glaring flaw of the movie is the fact that it seems that b society is mostly males and they basically do all of the jobs, which is not true at all. Like the dean of be College

is a male. All the pollen jocks, which are the bees that go out and pollinate and I guess they're supposed to be sort of military esque, those are all males. The every like every bee I saw in the movie that was in some position of power was a male, except for the Queen, which they never showed like they

or maybe I don't think so. I kept expecting to see to meet the queen and that she would have at least something to do, but then it never I wonder if there's because there's like too many writers like on this movie. I'm like, maybe there's a version of this script where they did meet the queen, because you see if you I feel like, if you're making a movie about bees and you don't That was in my notes too. I was just like, why do we meet

Renee Zellwiger but we didn't meet the queen bee? How mean? Yeah, it's much more interesting to follow the story of a bee who wants to have sex with a human than it is to meet the bee queen, I suppose, I mean, And I do see the logic there. Yeah, we needed it. We needed like a thirty minute court case instead of meeting the bee queen. Can I tell you what I thought this movie was going to be about, because I honestly knew absolutely nothing about it before I watched it.

Is it honey bees that like they do a little dance for each other to tell their fellow be how to get to flowers or whatever wherever they need to go to do their busy work. There be work, right, Um? I thought this movie was going to be about someone getting lost or like getting getting separated from the hive or something and then having to figure out how to get back home homeward bound. But with these exactly, that's exactly it. Watch. I was sort of be owned nice.

I was. I was sort of wondering whether it was going to turn into like the movie was kind of flip flopping on, like what genre is this? What is this actually about? But when he was like going to the honey Farm, like, oh, it's a yeah, like you're saying it's a journey movie, I thought Chris chrispy libation, and I thought Chris Rock Mosquito was going to be there for more than three minutes. But then I was that I was genuinely shocked when Chris rock b was

just like see you later. I was like, why did we then? Why did that even happen? Why we thought I was in in with Chris rock Mosquito right. I thought it was going to be like about be Liberation, where like he goes and he you know, helps the bees rise up against there. But now it's like, oh, that would be boring. Instead, we should have a court case. That's where the excitement is. John Goodman and Oprah You're like,

what is happening? Yeah, it's it's such a it's such a like I guess sort of Hollywood elite way of thinking about a dramatic scene in a movie is like, instead of it being about like bees fighting for their freedom, it's bees in a in a long court case that ends up being bad for the bees, I guess, because it's like, Oh, you shouldn't have tried. You should have tried to have rights. Oops. Oops, you've destroyed the planet by having rights exactly. And also, this is a movie

for children. Children don't want to see a long drawn out court like drama. Yeah, that was the other thing. I'm like, who was? I feel like this movie was way more for parents. It was supposed to be like parents who had watched Seinfeld who wanted to make their kids sit through something like that was as close as I could get, because this is definitely not for kids. When kids wants to see a be have sex with Renee's l Werger, no, I mean, what adult done? Being honest?

I mean, was I rooting for them? No? But but back to back to be feminism. The this movie and so many other like like you know, insect based movies like Ants A Bunch of Life is actually a little better on this on this level, but like this whole thing where all the like their worker ants that are um most of them are like male, and it's actually the opposite. Every single worker, every single one is female and they are all sisters. So males, like I said, our drones and their only job is to have sex

and die. It's a cool gig. Look I'm not knocking once again a species where life as a man is much easier. And if they fail to go off and mate, they will be evicted from the colony because then it's like, hey, you know, you don't you don't really serve that much purpose.

Like the only kind of job that the male drones do is they can help vibr Like sometimes the bees all like gathered together and vibrate to to heat the hive, like keep it warmer, and bees will do the male bees will do that as well, so a little helpful. They have side side gigs. They have a bit of

a side hustle. Yeah, this sounds like there could have been like a really cool like B movie nine to five thing of like all these women are overworked and underpaid and like we've got that that like that would be why God they're so any stories. Yep, yep, that's that's the point I keep making. Like with movies about animals, it's like if you pay a little bit of attention

to evolutionary biology. I mean Finding Nemo is a great example, because that was a great movie and they actually did look into a lot of like cool aspects of marine biology and they put that in the film and it was great. Um. So yeah, So there are a few hundred male drones in a hive, but that's compared to twenty thousand to eighty thousand female worker bees, so they are vastly outnumbered. And it just doesn't make sense for there to be a b patriarchy of this gender male

bees like that, doesn't you know? It's not getting mad? Yes, yeah, Every single job from nursing to building, to clearing out cells, to collecting nectar and pollen, the so called pollen jocks are all done by female bees. So yeah, And and it's the whole reason that the hives are you social where they all work together is really interesting because it's based on this like the weird genetics of be reproduction. So, uh,

bees don't have sex like humans. I mean that should be clear enough, right, because like humans, weeners don't explode after well, not to differ, I've made every man I've ever had sex with their penis has exploded immediately afterwards. Yeah, it's like you'd be the kill count between the two of us. As he's dying, he's like, I swear this has never happened before. It's okay, it's okay, it's okay. Yeah. Right, as you're about to go into like frantic reassurance mode,

you're like, oh, well, great, saved myself about it just disintegrating. Yeah, um, so be female bees result from eggs. Wait, let me first say this. Bees are happiloid diploid, which uh sounds a little bit like a band, like a C D C has hap happioid diploid. Yeah, and what that means is that they both have diploid and haploid offspring. So diploid means two sets of chromosomes from two parents, and

haploid means one set of chromosomes from one parent. So female bees result from eggs that have been fertilized by a male. So the queen mates with males, fertilizes an egg that becomes her daughter. Uh, And that that egg and that resulting bee is diploid. And if the when the queen wants to have a male, she will not fertilize the egg, and that egg will be haploid. So the males, the son's only get jeans from their mother, whereas the daughters, the females it jeans from both their

mothers and their fathers. So this has some really funky results in the hive structure. So what I wrote down here in my notes as funky genetic shenanigans, So that haploid diploid, some funky genetic shennanigan. So males cannot have sons, they can only have grandsons. So when a male be mates with a queen, his his pp explodes and he's gone. But then the queen can pass his genes onto daughters, but he but she does not pass them on to

sons because her sons only get her DNA. So the male be does not have sons but her daughters, and his daughters can then reproduce become queen bees like some of her daughters will be fed as their larva what's called royal jelly, which is a special nutrient rich honey that actually triggers them to develop into queen bees rather than worker bees and those like little pokemon, and they become they actually are very much like pokemon because they're

in their little cells, just like all bumbled up in there. It's really funny. And they will emerge as queens and they can reproduce. And when they reproduce, because they have both their mother and their father's DNA, and they give their sons all their DNA, the males will have grandsons but not sons. Does that make sense. It's a little confusing, I think. So that's really fascinating. Yes, man, Jerry Seinfeld could have googled like one thing. That's amazing. I have

no idea. Yeah. Yeah, So basically, queen mates with male, male explodes, penis falls off. Queen has daughters, daughters have both mom and Dad DNA. Queens have sons son only have Mom DNA. Queens some of queen's daughters become queens themselves and they have daughters which have their DNA and the guy they had sex with, and then their sons have just their DNA, but that DNA also has their grandfather's DNA and it now I want, now I want a version of what am I thinking? I want? Like

be the Crown right exactly? Oh, man, Be the Crown would be so cool. You get you get doctor who to play like a b very briefly he explodes exactly like, yeah, the same he explodes, and then like Prince Charles explodes. It would just be nice to see the royal family explode, is maybe, what right? I mean, like, I haven't seen the the newer season with Princess Diane in it, but from what I'm hearing, it would be nice to see all of the male royals explode, like, oh, you're gonna

want Prince Charles to eggsplode. And you see this season so queens queens can mate with multiple drones during multiple mating swarm events, So that that makes be relatedness and hives a little bit more complicated than sort of just simply all of the females are sisters and are equally related. There can be like they can have the same mother

but have different fathers. And actually, queen bees will collect a bunch of sperm and use it for several years, just like all right, I got enough for I'm good for like for a while. Yeah, do that too, sorry. So, and now this is the key to why bees remain you social, why the sister bees, the worker bees aren't con stantly trying to reproduce or to strike out on their own because having a like developing selflessness in evolutionary

biology doesn't necessarily make sense. Right, If you're selfless and you sacrifice yourself for the greater good, then your genes don't get passed on, and so then it's like, oh well,

then obviously selflessness should completely die out. Of course we don't see that, right, So it is more complicated, like you have in very pro social society's like human society, we do have generosity selflessness, and that's because when humans are social and work together, even though we're not i wouldn't say the most good animal in terms of being hardy and surviving. We look at us, look, I mean, look at us, really, take a good long look at us. You're not gonna like what you see. But we can

work together and then that's how we survived. And so through these very this very like strong social connection. Now we're not you social like, we still want to reproduce ourselves and so you know that's so like we still look out for our own individual interests. But in general, if you have a society where basically if you want to help out and be empathetic and kind and you get along in this society, you're you along with everyone else are more likely to survive and reproduce with these

big colonies. It's interesting again, they don't have sex like humans. They have this happloid diploid system, so it makes relatedness a little bit weird. So sisters are more related to each other on average than to their own offspring. Um. So uh they are um and which is actually true with humans as well. But um, they are much more related to their siblings than to their offspring. So they are uh fifty related to a daughter related to a son.

They get you know, basically, the daughter gets uh you know, the half their chromosomes and half the the their partner the male partner's chromosomes. Their son only gets their own chromosomes,

but just like half of their own chromosomes. But on average they are three fourths related to their sisters uh due to everyone getting some mixture of their father and mother's DNA um through sort of the like I said, the genetic shenanigans um and by ensuring the survival of her sisters and making sure at least some of them survived to be fed royal jelly and become queens, that shared DNA that they all have that causes them to be used. Social is more likely to get passed on.

So the way to think about jeans, I think is not like that an individual b is like I want to pass on my genes. It's that if genes code for a certain behavior, and then those genes that code for that behavior get passed on, then that's it. They

get passed on. They are successful genes. So like, even if you're an individual and you're like, you know you, but you share the same genes that make you be selfless with another individual, uh, and then like those same genes are inside a larva that you feed this royal jelly and then she goes on, becomes a queen, has sex, explodes a penis as we all like to do, and

starts her own hive colony. The genes that you had in you that made you selfless and contribute to the hive she has in her, and she passes on to a new hive, a new brood, and they all have as well. So that's you know, that's how you sociality. I mean, there's so much I'm really overly simplifying it. Knows it is a lot. In fact, it's there's a lot of controversy. I might like some people are like, well, actually,

there's this whole other theory about it. It's there's a lot of argument about like how exactly it works, but essentially that that's kind of the most basic way to explain it. So be so also be there's drama in like the B community. Yeah, and I mean there's yeah, I mean not just the B community, but the whole uh entomology community about you sociality about hive structures. I mean, it gets superheated. There have been like some rude changes

between like EO. Wilson and other other entomologists. It's really it's like it is serious. They get really heated because it is if it gets spicy, I'm going to keep it gets very spicy, right, because the whole concept of selflessness, right and evolution really throws a monkey wrench into things. And it is explicable, but it's very difficult. It's like there's a lot of complex um basically like calculations, genetic

calculations as well as sort of probability things. I can't get into it because um oh I definitely know it and understand it all, but um you know, there's just no time. This is the time issue. Time issue. Everything you just told us just now is a way better like seed for an idea than really anything that happens

in B B. Right. This is what gets me right is that it's so like like if you had sort of some b like you're saying, be the Crown would be incredible where you have you know, because queens do fight, so queens will fight each other to the death. Like So, first of all, one cool fact another fact check of B movie is that males do not have stingers. Only females have stingers. Remember when I said that they are modified female reproductive organs those stingers. Males don't have them.

So Broderick wouldn't have had a stinger. Oh, he would not have. Matthew Broderick b in the movie stings the the defense attorney Humanity, yeah, the John Goodman character, and stings him in the butt and then he goes to the hospital because, as Barry B. Benson explains, like bees when they sting often don't survive it. And then he gets like a prosthetic stinger. That's like, I guess I cocked one of those little cocktail swords. Anyways, No, be male bees do not have stingers. It is true that

when bees sting. It often comes off with a big chunk of their guts and so they die, which is, you know, sad. I know, it's really sad. I got stuck by be like about a month ago, and it was just like it landed on my head and I didn't realize it was a bee. So I like wiped it off and it was like, no, don't attack me, and then it stung my finger. I was just like no, I wasn't gonna hurt you. Why and just like kneeling by the bee, why we could have been friends, howling

to the heavens. You could have been Yeah, you could have fallen in love with just like just mouth to mouth, like come on, come on, you can do it. Don't go towards don't go towards the honey. Don't go towards the honey. This is more this is more like movie

stuff too. But I was also very confused about much like the rules of travel in this movie, the rules of like humans being able to hear bees, or like how often you can break the rules, because it seems like very bent and he like brought up the rule in voiceover then immediately broke it, and then everyone and then later he was speaking in a human court like, and everyone was like, oh, yeah, no, I don't. It's so dumb because the movie explains it as we have

this rule you don't talk to humans. It's like, well, well, why why do you have that rule? And then he breaks it and there's no consequences, so every yeah, yeah, it really is. What was I talking about? I was talking about stingers for some reason because they're sexy. Oh well, someone stung you and then yeah, be stung me. I I cradled it in my arms as it passed away,

and how it's tiny little be hands. Um wait, I have a question about um, like the female larva be be larva that might become a queen, so they have to be fed this royal jelly, which is my new favorite thing. Uh, is there any other like how does the queen, like the mother queen bee, choose which bees get the royal jelly? Is there any other like criteria that like a larva bee might have to have or

like how do is there anything? I think it's a pheromone signal, right, like a pheromone signal, feed this one royal jelly. Any larva in theory could become a queen bee because every larva has the genes to become a queen bee, but by being fed the royal jelly. It's it's how like genes are so interesting because like gene expression can really modulate like what someone is. So like your genes that are like a recipe and then the gene expression is like how you put together Wait, now

your your genes are like the ingredients. And then the gene expression is like the recipe where you put together the meal that is you and so so I there's

probably my gifts would be that. Like there's some instinct about like maintaining a number of queen bees, like you don't want too many because that would be too much competition, and so this like uh, and they actually will like in certain cases kill off like once a new queen emerges, like she will signal for the workers to kill off her sister queens because yeah to like pa company, Yeah exactly. Be be game of Thrones. It's game. It's a throne

made out of a bunch of stingers. And then they're like, is that someone's butt still attached to the stingers? Like, don't worry about it. Way better story also than be yes, damn, that is wild. Yeah, yeah, it's and it's yeah it is like um, you know, be so oh right. What I was saying is that queens do have stingers. Unlike worker bees, they don't typically use their stingers because worker

bees will sting you. They their stinger falls off along with most of their butt, which kills them and it releases a pheromone that signals for other workers to come and sting you because you're a threat. And that's why bees will like like swarm and sting you a bunch of times if you're unlucky. Queen bees actually are very docile. They don't like to sting humans. In fact, beekeepers like noe like how like you can. I wouldn't recommend it

because they will sting you if they're very distressed. Also don't like distressed bees don't do what's mean. But like you know, if you handle a queen bee, it's she's much less likely to sting you. Uh, And they're quite docile around humans because they don't really you know, like for them, it's like I'm not gonna like attack, Um, I'm not going to use my precious stinger to attack like whatever. This is like I'm saving it for some like some royal uh succession backstabbing to like attack other

queen bees. Season four, episode one plotline, right the red wedding, it's just a bunch of bees. Yeah yeah, it could be really terrifying and dramatic if exactly God, Jerry Seinfeld, I mean there's so many like just like that's the best you could do. Right. The movie we could have had is like b Game of Thrones with like B B Searcy, uh, you know, like like stabbing her own b daughters and then what we got is you like, Jim, this movie could and should have been rated are Yeah, yeah,

be incest, be like gott to be be incest? Right if like all the all the sisters and brothers are they're in the same hive, and it would have been extreme and it would have been like there would have been actual stakes for that in the bee colony because they really try to avoid incest because it's not good, not good for the hive for that. So you know, B Searcy and Jamie would have been in a lot of trouble. Let me tell you. Those those bees they

don't take kindly to that. Also, Jamie's would have exploded, which would have been cool, right, which for the thing you know, really could have saved us a couple of hours.

So like the whole instigating incident for the movie, which like quickly becomes something else entirely, which is just like right, because where it's like, oh, I don't want to be stuck with one job for my whole be life, and then it becomes I want to have sex with Renee's elwigger, and then it becomes I have to win a court case to give bees back their honey, and then it becomes Oops, it turns out exploitative capitalism is the only way we've gotta We've gotta start being exploited again, or

else all the flowers die. But that first premise, right of like bees only have one job to do, is totally not true. Bees have every job that you can do in the hive throughout their life, which is I think really interesting. So uh, like every worker be which again they're all female, will basically do every job that needs to be done except for being the queen and and reproducing throughout their lives. So queen bees only have like the one job, which is reproducing mating, uh and

like releasing pheromones. Um, it's sort of like keep keep order around the high every horny, keep everyone horny. Actually no opposite, keep most of them not horny, but like uh, and then the but then the jobs that they do just depends on their age. So they they emerge, you know, they emerge from as they start off as a larva. They they emerge into adult bees and then they start

doing self cleaning immediately um. And then they'll do other jobs like nursing, scouting, going out and collecting pollen and nectar, and that all depends on their age because like as they mature, they become more able to do these other jobs. So basically the whole premise of the movie is wrong bees do every job throughout their lives and so yeah,

good job, good job, num skulls. So it's like a starting out in the mail room kind of thing, and you were right, right, okay, so it is it is be capitalism, and you have to really pull yourself off your by your little bee bootstraps, by your b straps. Uh. The least inaccurate part of the movie is that Barry B.

Benson wants to have sex with Rene's Elwiger. I think so bees are notoriously stupid when it comes to mating because they are in such a frenzy to a mate that they can be tricked by flowers to try to mate with them instead. So there is an old world orchid called the oh Freeze or be orchid, which has brown and yellow coloration that mimics that of a bee. Uh. Actually encourage you guys, just like google imaging it? Right,

what's the phrase we're googling? Be orchid? Be orchid? Yeah, that just looks like it looks kind of like a like a bumblebee maybe yeah. Yeah, And different or different types of these orchids will have different patterns and kind of trick different bees. But this's so sneaky. Yeah, and it tricks the drones into uselessly humping the orchid. And the orchid it's not just that the orchid is a pervert.

It's that the orchid wants to be pollinated. And usually when flowers want to be pollinated, they offer some reward to pollinators, so that maybe nectar, uh, maybe some kind of stinky, juicy goo that smells like rotting carrion um, but whatever it is, there is some reward for the insect pollinators, so they will get inside the flowers business get all covered in that sweet, sweet pollen and then pass it on to the next flower. Yeah, get rubbed up against that stamen. Bees do it? So I love.

I love how like strategy. I mean, I guess that's all of nature, but so strategically horny, so strategically horny. And but these orchids are like, no, no, no, we're not going to give you any nectar because producing nectar for a plant is costly. It costs energy to produce nectar. So these organs are like, no, We're just gonna look like a be Like, hey, there's a sailor. I'm a I'm a hot sexy bee. Don't you want me with me? I'm not a flower. Look at me without my bee parts.

Buzz buzz buzz wink. So how I pick up then? Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah. It's doing a little hip shake with its like flower like like it's little flower leaves, like putting one one leaf on its stem and like like shaking its stem like it's its hips like waving my arms around in circles. Okay,

which is how I dance. Really get them going? Yeah, So, so the orchids will trick these poor bees into just uselessly humping them getting the be covered in the pollen, and the bee is none the wiser maybe eventually figures it out. It's like I've been I can't I haven't exploded yet. I must be onto something. Yeah. It also tricks non honey bees as well, So so there are a lot of bees out there that are not Actually they do not live in hives. They're not, you social.

They all reproduce on their own and they have their own things going on. So uh yeah, not not all bees live in hives. That's that's one thing to consider. Wait, I just thought of another plot for the movie that would have been better for the one that we currently have. If the main beach Jerry Jerry Springer Jerry Seinfeld's Yeah, yes, let's just recast Jerry Seinfeld. But if like the main bee of the movie fell in love with a flower thinking it was another bee, and then like that was

the unrequited love story, that's a way better. That makes so much more sense than a bee falling in love with a human woman. Right, and it's voiced by a day drunk like Anna Faris. Yeah, the flower can be sentient. I think that's important for the story. It's or it's like or is it sentient or is it all in the bees mind? Would we have like an unreliable narrator situation now now we're now we're talking like a psychological thriller. That's a fun that's a fun twist. There would be

like a fight club twist at the end. The flower was in the bee was the same person the whole time. Second, I was just projecting onto the flower. The flower wasn't even like but we slow danced and it just like it shows like the Joker, like the Joker be joker. Okay, you know what I think that that was? That was naturally where this was gonna land. So I'm just glad

we got there. Why so serious? Incredible? Yeah, Another I guess untruth in the movie has to do with the whole scene where like Barry b. Benson happens upon the be I just I don't even like to talk. It's just like so ridiculous. The bee hives that are owned by humans and they represent them as like these like work camps, which is just gross, Like don't do that

in your movie, you know for kids. Yeah, they also mentioned like slavery and like there's just a lot of weird likening to really horrible traumatic historical events that which again in the end they're like, actually that was better, which is the mess, the fact that they land on

the side of all the horrible stuff. In the end, it's like, well, let's cut all those lines in the first past like there's just right weird, like weird and then insensitive jokes that I don't Yeah, here's another it's actually prison labor is good because if you don't do that, then I mean, I guess, And you're like, how do we get honey, Yeah, I mean I guess to give it the benefit of the data, I guess. In the end, it's like they don't do that, like they don't do

it that bad. But again it's sort of this like you know, instead of having just universal workers rights and everything, it's just like just have a lawyer buyer side. Another part of this is not only is it does Barry B. Benson upset at the exploitation of free labor, which is

something to be upset about. Obviously, he's also upset about it's almost like the appropriation of like b culture is another aspect of this where he's just like any humans are appropriating be culture that you love your honey and that's not your thing, that's our thing. So there's all this whole like montage where you see all these moments of like again whatever people appropriating BE culture looks like that's the other thing is like they use that term wrong.

It's not that humans were appropriating BE. They're stealing from the bees for sure, but but that's not it's not the same thing. It's just like taking cheap So it's just taking cheap shots at social justice, right. It's saying like, oh, it's funny like when people actually have real grievances about sort of like offensive cost costumes or using culture in a way where it's like, hey, we've oppressed this culture

for thousands of years. Now we're gonna like do this weird, like dumb thing or make it a mascot or something. And then it's and which is you know, a legitimate thing. It's like, oh, but like what if bees were appropriated their culture, wouldn't that be hilarious? It's pretty it's pretty reductive, And it also feels like Jerry Seinfeld, who literally, if they're going to do be Larry King, they should just

call him be Jerry Seinfeld. But whatever, Like but but like yeah, Jerry, I feel like Jerry Seinfeldt even like sowing those seeds of like, you know, liberal PC culture makes me sick. Like in B movie you can't cancel bees, you deal with Can's wing bees. That's his whole brand. Now he's like, I won't do comedy at colleges because these freaking millennials and their PC culture ruining comedy. And

it's just like, shut up, Jerry Sava. At the end of the movie, they're literally like, actually, appropriation is good because it's sharing, and sharing is caring, and exploiting our labor is caring. It's but one of the so one of the like shots or one of the quick little scenes in this montage where it shows like this week again be culture appropriation being like taken back and reclaimed by the bees, is they literally murder Winnie the Pooh. Do you remember this? Oh my god, I do remember that.

I don't know how they got away with like this was not a Disney no, so they basically they there's a really quick shot of like Winnie the Pooh who famously loves honey, they like take his likeness and then someone shoots him with like a tranquilizer dart that's funny. Though, that is funny. We need the Pooh. I'll give my hot take on Winnie the Pooh. We need the Pooh is annoying and need to Yeah, because he's not Paddington Bear,

the best freaking bear ever. There's no marmalade from many bears in my heart, but never Winnie the Poop, even when I was a kid. And like Winnie the Pooh is like he really needs to like, you know, taking skill. Yeah, it doesn't wear pants. He's just a mess. He's a mess. Uh, you know, stealing from bees. We need a Pooh. Yeah, And a topic for for another podcast on on a bear movie, perhaps for an episode on Paddington when you talk about how we should we should, we should do that.

We'll do it. We'll do it because I had as much as I like Honey, I like Winnie the Pooh, but Paddington is obviously the best bear. We'll do. We'll do a bear. We'll do a bear the bear cast. I actually got a list of question which is like which bear is best? So we'll we'll have to do that. So another problem with that whole scene where he goes to like the be the bee farm, where all the bees are pressed in its gross for all the reasons we also just mentioned. They show the beekeepers as these

evil like we're gonna smoke some bees. Now. These bullies and beekeepers are obsessively careful about their bees because if they don't take care of the bees and the bees die, that's super bad. And bees are extremely finicky. They see a few dead bees and they'll freak out because it's like, oh my god, because it doesn't it's not that it doesn't take that much for random stuff to happen and for a bee colony to collapse or for there to

be health problems in the colony. So they're obsessively caring for these bees health. That doesn't mean that they're not still exploiting the bees because when you and another problem with the movie, which is that like when you take honey from bees, they actually need all that honey, like because they make that honey not just for fun, they make it to feed the entire hive. So when you take the honey that they've made to feed the hive, they don't really have a bunch of just excess honey

laying around. You are taking it from the bees that would otherwise use that to nourish the hives. So beekeepers actually have to give bees a sugary kind of like honey substitute, which is not as good, it's not as nutritious as the honey. So you do when you get honey from bees. It's not that I don't think that there's like it's impossible to sustainably be a beekeeper. It's

just like you do. There is some cost to the bees, which is hopefully like as a beekeeper, you're trying to make up for that by you know, um taking good care of the bees. Another thing with that scene, as they show them smoking out the bees and they show all the bees coughing. When beekeepers use smoke, it's not to make all the bees choke and cough and like pass out. It's to mask be pheromone signals so they don't freak out. So the smoke interrupts their pheromone signal.

So instead of like the bees, when they detect a threat to the hive, which they think the beekeeper is pretty justifiably because the beekeeper is there to collect their honey, they will swarm an attack, and so to keep them from doing that, they do the smoke, which both interrupts their pheromone signals. It also when bees smell forest fire, uh like the smoke that the beekeepers use, they think, oh, there's a forest fire, our hive might have to evacuate.

So they start eating a bunch of honey, which actually kind of gets them like sort of drunk and mellow on this honey because they're just like gorging themselves on honey because if they do have to evacuate and have to move away from the hive, they want to collect as many resources as possible for the move, which in their resources are honey. Uh So, so they just like like once once the smoke starts to get in the hive, they're like, all right, it's honey a clock. Gals like,

we gotta gotta have some honey. We gotta do it for the hive. God to do it for the hive. And they're just drinking bunch of honey thatose are great renew and thank you, thank you, that's good, thank you, thank you. Yeah, Benson, you want to have sex with me? Human? How did that even physically work? Physically? Coffee? They're seene there first scene together, I'm like, this looks like it was written by a machine of like a wicked AI. Yeah.

She's like, she's like, wait, you're be You're talking to me. He's like, yeah, I'm not supposed to be here. I am you beautiful? And she's like, do you want coffee? Do you want k cat? Do you want some cake? And I would have a taxi. He's like, oh, I shouldn't, but I guess I will, and then she just pours

coffee on the ground for five seconds. That actually, that actually was the one part of the movie that kind of got me where it's where it's day drunken nay selwagor pouring coffee on the ground just in shock at a talking bee. There were multiple points in the movie where I did laugh because there was like I was watching it with my partner and when it started, I was just like, I feel like Patrick Moore Burton is

in this movie. And then within Twine right where you it, I was like, this movie just the whole energy just says for Patrick Warburton. He's also so correct, He's right the entire time. He's like, it's a B. Why are you talking to a B? And then she's like I gotta save this bees life and he's like, I am deadly allergic to bees, Like why are you risking very insensitive to his be right, because that's like he joke, right,

like he has a B allergy. He sees a bee and he tries to swat it, like B allergies are super serious and as much as I like bees, I will kill b if it means preventing someone from having a B allergy, because those can kill you, which is terrible. Yeah, she's very She's like, God, you're so insensitive. And this is before this, maybe like if she had heard bees talk before, right, but this is before she knows bees are since she's just like this insects a lie is

more important than your life. And my husband doesn't that like her husband, her boyfriend, it's not made clear. And

then that's what we're supposed to think. She might break up with him for be Jerry Seinfeld, right, and then like be Jerry Seinfeld, like gets a gets a B boner for her, like when he saved when she saves his life, because she's like, I don't care about your deadly BE allergy, you know, like it's more important to me to save this one insects life than you going into anaphylactic shock which if I was, you know, Patrick, uh,

what's his name, Patrick Warburton. But yeah, like like I could really empathize with him because he's like, there bees guys, remember it's their bees. They're like bugs. He wasn't even necessarily trained to kill it. He was just trying to get it from and he was panicking because again, anaphylactic shock is no joke. I guess one more point I wrote some now it's oh, here's my here's my note. Rene Selbiger sounds drunk in this movie, I wrote, still

a better movie than Trial of the Chicago seven. Um, oh my god, I will not rest until Aaron Side is mounted on my wall. I swear to god. Yeah, what a mass beating the beast quote. The other other notes I have is that, um, yeah, capitalism is the only way bees have to be indentured servants or else is the point the movie is making. So that's cool, do I wrote ray Leota and this movie sucks as well. The sting cameo was really bad, but I was like,

b Larry King was really bad. But I thought that that would have been a better naming convention for everyone. It should have been. Yeah, just just see Matthew Broderick. It's like, Matthew Roderick, I'm not going to remember whether Cathy Bates Bekathy Bates. I feel like that even better marketing whatever was. Yeah. Another note I have is, how is there still ten minutes left of this movie? Um, it's only it's like exactly ninety minutes long, but it

feels way longer. Yeah. So the one last actual scientific point I want to make about this movie is they did exactly one cool thing in terms of be biology. One cool thing. Remember at the end, Oh god, I forgot this part. They have to save a plane from crash. It's horrible to look at. Honestly, forgot the plane from crashing.

There's so much in this movie that they are on a plane with the flowers from Pasadena that they're trying to get back to the bees, which is inexplicable because presumably there are other bees in the world than like at this park where Barry b bin Selims. But whatever. They have to fly the flowers from Pasadena because of the Rose Bowl back to New York? Is that where they live? Whatever? Every Flora's dream love was like, Oh the Rose Bowl, Every Flora's dream I'm like that and

so they have to fly these flowers. But then they flowers are dying, I guess, and so they want the pilots to go faster, so they go into the cabin. The pilots freak out because it's a bee, and then they accidentally knocked themselves unconscious. And then day drunk renee Zelwigger has to fly the plane, but she doesn't know how to fly the plane. Uh, And so be Barry b Benson has to fly the plane with her or

something because he's like bees. Note bees and planes are the same, which, as I said at the beginning of the podcast, is actually not true. The physics of plane flight is extremely different from the physics of bee flight. But here now he gets don't do little arms circles float. Here's the precisely one cool thing they did in the movie. There's like one person who researched bees, and that's when the beehive, berries bee hive like all comes together and

they're on the runway. Uh, and like be Barry b Binson is like, I can't see. It's foggy. Even though I guess they have lights, I don't know. I guess the lights got unplugged. This movie is a mess. It's a hot mess. So but the bees start oscillating in this pattern, like they have like a flower pattern that they're like, and by like moving their abdomens they make this oscillating pattern. That is true. Bees do this in

the wild and it's amazingly cool. So bees can flash their abdomens in a wave pattern to warn off predators and it will look like these black ripples or or rings. Uh. And they achieve that by basically doing the wave with their abdomens. It's really funny. It's really cute, but it is. It looks incredible from a distance. Oh yeah, this is amazing. It looks like magic. The guy says, that's so cool. It's a video of a guy watching all of the

this massive bee colonies the wave. Yeah yeah, and it looks like it just looks like sort of undulating uh, ripples throughout the bees, like a hypnotic spirals of bees. It's incredible. How do they know to do that in

like unison like that? The pheromones? Yeah, yeah, I would assume it's and it's probably by the rustling of their neighbors probably sets them off as well, Like there's a pheromone signal that you know, gets them to go in that formation, and then probably the instinct of like, you know, basically one of them gets the signal and then they do the they do the um basically the wave, and then then it's like how you know, to do the wave at a at a baseball stadium where the person

next to you is doing and so you're like, oh, it's my turn now. So yeah, wow, I feel like I feel like I was on mushrooms. Looking at that, You're just like, there's actually cool fact. There is actually psychotropic bee honey um that there uh these bees that live I think in Nepal, and it's extremely hard and dangerous to go collect this honey. It's this red it's

called red honey. It's like this color. It's this dark reddish amber color these bees feed on I don't know if it's psychotropic fungus or it's it's something that has psychotropic properties, and then they is excreted in their honey as well. And so there are these people who go to great, great risks and links to collect this honey and it's it's really incredible, Like they have to climb up a cliff face because it's the only place that

they can get to these bees. But yeah, that's that's that's been a cool movie, right, yes, but yeah, it's just it was so there's something so heartbreaking about seeing that scene because it was like there was one person who did some research and like, this would be a cool thing to have in the movie, the bees doing this this oscillating ripple effect, because like we know bees in the wild do that, and that was actually a cool thing, right, Like that was kind of a cool moment,

and then they just didn't do anything else like that, and the rest of the movie like it doesn't. And I guess my point isn't that movies about animals have to be scientifically accurate, like they don't, Like it's it's fine, like, uh, you know, there's lots of lots of fun movies that are not just absolutely a hundred persons scientifically accurate, that

have a cool narrative. But I think by looking at natural biology, you'll get a lot of inspiration for really cool plots and really cool narratives and they don't have to be a accurate. But nature is so cool. There's so many stories that you can glean from that that I don't know why you wouldn't at least attempt to look into the lives of bees, because they're so fascinating. There's such so many things, like you guys have been doing this whole podcast, like you know, be the Crown,

be gave thrones. There's so many stories you could tell about bees using just like some inspiration from their actual actual lives. Mhm. These deserved these deserved better hashtag bees deserved better. And that's why I wanted to bring up two thousand and sevens B movie in the year the Year of Our of our ban. It was important work that we did here today. I learned, I learned a lot, I grew, I got horny, and then I could and then I stopped. Yeah, I think that's sort of the

life of a drone, right, that's true. I mean, I guess in a way, we're all churning our honey. I've got royal jelly cooking up in my parts right now. Even the concept of royal jelly is better than every word and abandoned premise in its way. How did they not like what about a bee like stealing royal jelly, like trying to build an army of queen bees to like take over the world. So good Okay, well you've given Caitlin and I some important homework, which is right,

a better version of b movie? Please please do and have have have us actually see the Queen for she's going to be the protagonist. Absolutely, who would you cast as the Bee queen? Oh? Kathy Bates could have gotten could be promoted from her role in the movie to

be a good queen. I mean, I'm I'm god. Who would be a good like a queen Bee that you would want to really take down to like Harry Bates would work well because I feel like and play you know, I mean if she was really channeling her what's that movie where she misery? Yeah, she was really misery ing out you could you could really root for her to

be taken down. I want to, like any anti monarchy a movie that's right, like distributing the Royal jelly to everyone everyone you're a queen, and you're a queen, everybody gets to be a queen. And then it's sponsored by girl Boss. Is a real girl Boss movie? Just showing the bees in these stilettos, like stomping on the male bees. I love it. We'll work on it, We'll workshop it, We'll have it. Ready soon. I don't know, would like

summer too ambitious? No no, no, the first drafted by Sunday. Okay, yeah, I'm more ambitious than you, Jamie. I think I might go with Caitlin here Sunday, Sunday on your desk by side day. All right, all right, thank you, thank you, You're like Jess. Anyways, I have no more, no more. I guess I've done it. I guess we've destroyed B Movie. We've plain it. It's we can all rest easy. Justice has been measured out. Thank you guys so much for joining me today on this journey. Of course, you know,

thank you so much. I really enjoyed pulling out the stinger of B Movie and ripping all its guts along with it, so along with most of it. But yeah, rest and that's done you Katie, I know, I know, Rip, rip and peace. Poor a little bee who stung me. Yeah, And I was just like, but why but why? Well, so you guys got anything to plug? I bet you do, I bet you do. You can listen to the Bechtel Cast Caitlyn and in my podcast every Thursday on iHeart Radio.

Uh and then I have a podcast coming out right now called Lolita podcast doesn'ttend part look at the uh really bad cultural legacy of Lolita. Yeah, I really want to listen to that. I'm like, it's like one of those things where when I read Lolita back in college, I just it was so like I had such a complicated relationship to it where it's like I love uh Novoko, but and like he was also famous for being an entomologist, so it's like all these things and and like he

had a whole collectify scientist. Yeah, he had like a collection of butterfly genitals, which take that as you may, um and like the but I have to I have to listen to this podcast because I feel like it's gonna it's I was, it's like such a thing where I was like, oh, yeah, this book, it's famous for being good, and then I got like halfway through it was so I couldn't finish it. It was Yeah, that's a lot of people, a lot of people. Yeah, but I feel like this is gonna give me some closure

on that. So I'm definitely gonna listen, And I encourage your everyone else too as well. Uh, Kaitlyn, you got anything a plug? Oh? I do a weekly um Instagram Live show called movie Talk with Caitlin Um, but now I'm changing it to be movie oh please do. But I feel like this topic has to like make the podcast rounds because we did it on on Frame Rate with Abe Epperson and Michael Swain also checked that episode out if you liked this one is really fun to

do that. We also talk about a bug's life and ants. The famous movie about ants from like the nineties, the Woody Allen Aunt. Yeah yeah, yeah that one. Uh and then and so yeah, I feel like to take this gift of the B movie analysis and then spread it around spread the love. Yeah, so I'll do. I'll be doing that, um every week moving for forward for the rest of my life. Analysis on B movie But that's

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