The Break: Hurns In...Dez Out?

Does that get to your degree? Oh? Absolutely awesome. We welcome to the Cowboys Break. We're out here celebrating three day grand opening events of the entertainment district here at the Star. I'm Mike Marsha. I don't know if you're familiar with me or not. That's all right, you'll do my best. This is Nick Eatman to my rights. You're left Abar Garcia over here and David Hellman the normal crew here trying to entertain you for an hour or so as you enjoy all that we have up here

at the Star. Fancy huh, Hey, guys, I'm three everybody, yeo, hey, hey, I'll say this this is great weather for any American people, my people. This is kind of too chilly for me, but this is weather, treny weather. Are you insane? You're cold right now? This is too chilly for you a little bit, But it's great for American right. You guys are feeling good. It's a little worried this morning about the fog. But look what we got. Yeah, every got people out here walking around. You got you know, ten

different restaurants are open. Guys and coats. Yeah, we wore blazers. That's how you know it's a big Yeah, I think you wore your ordor of light. Now handing out this jacket that I see sometimes this is the swag jack whenever you bring the rolled shrimp, the bacon rolled shrimp around the people. You're wrong? That the jacket that I see. No, I think I got the memo. By the way, I know this was such a pansy event. You're always dressed backway,

where's your coat? A little nice? Where's your coat? Well, as you see behind us, there will be a Pat Green concert tonight. We might just go back there and break open some instruments and see how bad we can sound to drive people away. Pat Green, aren't you it's a cool thing, man? Yeah, it's a pretty cool thing text. Why not it's opening day Baseball. We're like, oh, watch us, we got our own opening day, got our own opening

day out here, and it's the entertainment district. We got Connie Rossum making some contributions, city Works, Concrete, Cowboy cow Tipping Creamery tomorrow. I'm not gonna name them all, but some fantastic stuff up here. If you want to get your buns up here and have a good day this weekend Thursday, Friday, Saturday, three day grand opening, Uh, come join us up here at the Star in Frisco. We get this stuff every day, so it's kind of old hats us. But I think if you come up here

for the first time, you're gonna go wow. No, yeah, it's pretty neat. Well, even if you haven't been here in two weeks, it's like, oh, I didn't know that open up or that place opened up, I mean, and a new dancing place for you, Well, that's not the one I go to. But if it's just this convenience right across the street from the office, yeah, how have you not? Definitely I'm definitely gonna switch something else over here that's right over there. So conveniency is there some

boots over there. Maybe I can see you in some boots. How many boots you own? Um? Zero, zero boots, no boots. You've lived in Texas your whole life. People think it's weird that I've lived in Texas for five years and I don't have a pair of boots. A little weird, I know. Sorry, Dave and I had this hypothetical. You get hired at your dream job. Oh yeah, but you have to wear a cowboy hat to work every single day, and boots and boots the whole get up every single

do you got dressed like rowdy every day? Like, oh hey, there's Jaymachick. I'm in the winner. He was the winner of our Top Moves of March bracket. Was he the real winner though? Or just the people's champ? What's the difference? It leads a difference. Okay, you know, um, all right, we'll be here for the next hour. There might be a player who knows, I don't know where we're gonna fit them over here. They might just stand down there and just like look at us and yell back and forth.

We'll make it work. Though, Well, they gotta find a way to get it their way up to the front here right. Pretty cool and thank you for everybody to put this together. Chris Beam working his butt off this morning getting this together. Other guys out there. We're gonna try and entertain you for about an hour if that's possible, and do a cowboys break thing like y'all usually do. And I'm gonna fill in for Derek and see if we can get him kicked off the podcast permanently. You're

doing a better job into perpetuity. Just stay in La. It's totally fine. We got this. Just take some time off during I'm beating the one of the biggest weeks of the year, no doubt. Me and Dave are working on I don't know, six hours asleep. Got in last night from the Texas Triangle Tour, which you will know more about when they come in days. It was pretty cool, man, It was fun. It was pretty cool. We'll do a whole We'll do we'll do a whole block on it.

Here in a little bit Clifshouse version real quick, thirty seconds, thirty seconds. Um. A lot of players, not a lot of great players, but still fun to stand to a scout while they're watching a dude and taking notes and going ah, this, this, this, and you're like picking his brain. It's pretty neat. Yeah. If you're big on the draft, it's it's a good time. Well yeah, and like Mike said,

we'll have some more content on it soon. But yeah, I mean more not so much A and M, but more players than I'm used to seeing a Texas in the time I've lived here. Yeah, I mean we've seen some that we've seen them go over a few times in the years that I've been down here. I don't think that's gonna happen. Four guys got in a truck, went down to College station, went then went to Austin the next day, came back. Yep, good times, and we'll

have a cool little video. Bug. The heck out of some scouts made us give them, made them give us some access. I talk to a lot of NFL people. Yeah, um, talk to some players I might go first, second round, Christian Kirk, Molikue, Jefferson. So a lot of coverage last couple of days, and we're gonna turn that into something real fancy for you to put your eyeballs on in the next coming days. But let's get to some pressing topics. Owners meetings said it was Chili. She did, but she's

he's got the got the shoulders. Yeah, you need Seve guns out guns out of here, guns out guns out. Yeah, exactly. We'll make it work, though. Um, all right, I want this Dez thing to go away, and it just won't. Nope. And I think it's because we all assumed the tough honey, we need to talk conversation had already happened, maybe a week ago. We were we we assumed this was water under the bridge. And then we go to the owner's

meeting in Orlando. We send producer Kent down there and he sticks a camera in front of Steven's face, and Steven's very uh, hey, we'll talk about Dez whenever we need to talk about Dez. Next question, We'll talk about Dez whenever we need talk about Dez. If you're ready for the Dez thing to go away? Oh, can I share a quote with you from Jerry Jones from five minutes ago? Yeah, he said, he said, he's kidding, it's

Jerry Jones. He's not being one hundred percent serious, but he said, I actually told Dez not to come in because I don't want to talk to him, because I want the questions to keep going because I want us to stay in the news. That's so, I mean some truth and some jokes sometimes like the truth is buried underneath the joke. Yeah, that's kind of that type of deal. I don't I don't know. I want it to go

away too. I just want to know. I don't know what this team's game plan is a wide receiver, because you could convince me of anything right now, Like I really, the only thing I'm positive of right now is that Alan Hearns is going to be on this team in twenty eighteen. He's gonna wear number seventeen. Other than he's gonna play wide receiver. Other than that, you could really convince me just about anything. Like I don't think wide receivers off the table in the draft. I don't think

DZ's job security is secure. I think this team would listen to offers for their other receivers if somebody wanted to give them one. Not that they have any, but if somebody called, I think they'd listen. As just it's clear that they're not satisfied with their wide receiver corps as it's currently constructed. That's kind of my impression as it is right now, and they're trying to act nice. They're playing nice, right, Yeah, they're saying one him back,

He's gonna be here. Love the guy. But then at the end of every you know that fourth question that gets asked on the same topic. You can't help but be a little honest on it. And Jerry yesterday how today or not yesterday before yesterday had an interesting quote that said, we can live with how much money that we have allocated to the wide receiver position right now. We can live with that so long as we get better production from that position and that allows Zeke to

be the player Zeke needs to be. Yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting that the focus everything rounds its curve and points right back to the running game and Ezekiel Elliott. So I don't know what it shouldn't. I don't think so. I mean we've again, Yeah, Zeke has been pretty calm this off season. He hasn't been on any headlines or anything like that Cobo trip last week.

Do you see that took offensive lineman. Yeah, that's chill though, nothing you know that we're still talking about or anything like major You know it's candalous, right, But the point here is we've seen how this team reacts when Zeke is not there on the field, and we've seen how they react when certain other players are not there, like Sean Leet, but specifically Zeke. They need to be better at the wide receiver position, regardless of the running game.

So when that time comes that you need to throw the ball, you can throw it and not always be dependent on the running game. I feel you. I feel your third and long comes along and it's we can't hand off to Zeke on third and long. We gotta have somebody get open. I understand, Yeah, you don Are you done guessing? No? I just think that good words. It's really simple. I mean, even though it's really complicated.

I think it's gonna be simple at the same time, I think that, you know, they're not talking about sixty five other players that they need to have meetings with, and they need to meet with Dez. They're gonna try to lower his salary. That's what they're gonna do. And they're gonna say, let's lower this salary, and then when he says no, then they're gonna figure out from there. Okay,

because Jerry just said, we can live with it. Yeah, you can live with it as long as the production is better, but the production is not gonna be better before you have to make the decision. You have to make the decision now. So I think it's gonna be pretty much take it or leave it, like this is what we want to lower your salary to. I think

that there's strategies why they're waiting. You know that they're letting other players and other people sign and spend their money and they're gonna I mean, it's pretty much lowballing them saying this is this is what's gonna happen. I think. I think you're right, and it's business and there's a strategy to it. But just just do whatever you're gonna do, like have the conversation, Release him, if that's what you want to do, keep him. I just do something. Because

this wasn't Jerry Jones. This is just a conversation I had with somebody over at this press conference for the grand opening, and they were like, well, they're gonna figure it out. They're not gonna let him twist. And I was like, I kind of feel like he's been twisting for about three months. Yeah, So for you to say that they're not gonna let him twist, what do you think's been happening since the season ended, because that's how

I view it. You know, when the Media Guide and the next year comes out and it's gonna have all time leading receivers and catches and touchdowns, des Brian's gonna be number one on that list. And that's not to cut you off, but that was kind of my point is he's des Brian is not on the level of Demark Swear. Uh. Just in turn, you know, DeMarcus Squear is going to the Hall of Fame. I don't know if Dez Bryant is yet, but I mean you're talking about a guy that has etched in Cowboy history forever,

regardless of whether or not he plays another down. So it kind of like, just be a little bit more above board with one of your greatest players in recent memory. I mean, Dez is one of the five or six best players of the post Triplets era, right, That's that's unquestionable, right, I mean, he's he is the face of the modern franchise,

one of them at least that's for sure. Like production wise, you know, it's debatable top five, but in the fans hearts, he's he's one, absolutely one of them, if not the one. He's one of about three. So just be a little bit more more above board, figure this thing out like I would. It would be a shame if they waited until after the draft to see what they get in the draft. I could totally see it. It's it's smart business. I mean, that makes sense to me. It's very smart business.

But I just I think there's a certain level of decorum expected when you're dealing with a franchise great, and I wouldn't. I would be disappointed to see that happen. So the assumption is that they are waiting for the draft. Now that's the only conclusion I can come to. Now he knows that they haven't had the talking right. So let's suppose they're not able to get a top wide receiver that you would want on this team. Are you still wanting to make that decision to figure out what

death or are you keeping him right? I think that's why Jerry says we can live with it like that. Phrasing to me implies, we would like to better our circumstances, but we can deal with this if we have to. One thing Stephen Jones was saying too, is that they pretty much they have four or five priorities going into free agency. They wanted to get some linebacker depth. This is not in order, but they wanted to get some wide receiver depth. They wanted to get some depth and

linebacker after losing Hitchens and Wilbur. They wanted to get some offensive lines depth for sure, and they wanted to get a quality safety that can start. So they haven't done that yet and that's still out there. Yeah, And I think I think this whole thing comes down to that Des is that card that they're waiting. If they can, they can live with playing with Dez, nothing else comes along, they go to the draft, they get a safety. Maybe, hey,

they're feeling good about things. Des can stay on this roster. But if Seattle calls and says, you know what, we'll take just a second. So okay now, but you still have to fit that money in the cap. And what's the best way to shave that money. So I think I think there's still He's not gonna stop the Earl Thomas thing until he makes it happen. Honestly, it's it's not just in cloth. Rather have another guy. Actually, Oh,

go ahead, I don't care what he does. Really, I know the Cowboys care about what players do before the game, but I don't out in San Francisceric Reed, I don't think you can sell me on that. I mean, I don't think fans do either, you know. I mean, he's he's not if he can not, if he's playing well at safety, they don't know. I think he's a better player than than Earl Thomas. Like I'm sorry, he's a better investment to make than Earl Thomas. Earl Thomas would

be better right now. But I think Eric Reed can I feel the same way about Kenny Vacaro. And you know, I don't think he's like the true center field or safety that you would prefer, but what he brings to the table, and you could package him with the other safeties on this team. We know they like to play three safeties. I think that would be a great signing at a fraction of the price. I'm honestly stunned he's still available. The whole the whole safety market, to me,

is is stunning. The way that they're getting a raw deal. They really are. They're really really good players, and they're getting left out in the cold. And I've read stuff that like they're getting one year, three million dollar offers. I think the reason why is because there are two really good studded safeties that are sitting in the draft that for a team that needs a safety and is sitting anywhere between seven and fifteen, you're like, what if one of these guys is here? I don't want to.

I don't want to. That's why I'll do a one year deal with something with you know, Withcaro or whoever. Because what if Derwin James is sitting there? What if Micca Fitzpatrick is there? Yeah? So I think I think those those two really good. That does it drop off pretty much after that? Yeah? Yeah? Um and somewhat. I mean you could make a pitch for like Justin Reid

out of Stanford. I never heard of him. There's a significant Wayne Wayne Golden out of Tennessee is a second or third round guy that a lot of people really love. But if yeah, it's there's a gap. There's there's a gully there between the top two if you want to sure, if you want to surefire day one starter. Hey guys, it's those two. But yeah, no, it's okay, Hey, what's up everybody in the entertainment district at the Star. I hope you're having a fantastic first afternoon. Hey are you

doing out there? No? But I think that's a I think that's a realistic thought. I mean, the draft changes things. That's that just the conversations change, the prices change, and like I said, it's it's smart business to wait until the draft to do something with Dez. But just me personally, I would like it's annoying being being hung out there,

and I'm sure Dez feels the same way right now. No, like we feel hung out there because we want to know and yeah, imagine pretty sorry though he's staying here, I think des is just a piece with whatever happens, whether he's here or whether something I mean, what what's he gonna do? So I think it's more so that I was talking abrought us last at peace as at ever as at pieces he can be. Let's put it that way. I was talking about us when we were driving around the last two days and I was like,

I can't imagine the Cowboys without Dez Bryant. Yeah, and I can't imagine Dez Bryant not having being a cowboy as part of his identity. No, I know, like that's in him, like that's him, That's Lufkin, that's Oklahoma State, that's that guy. If he goes somewhere else, like yeah, we joke like, oh, he'll blow up for fifteen touchdowns and make us through the day that he left. But also,

I mean, different guy, different situations too. It's it's hard to imagine des commuting to work in in North Pittsburgh, but I mean, like it's hard to picture that he's such a Texas guy. I think the most damning thing that came out of all the information we're we're just trying to read tea leaves like one day at a time like this and that, and then we got random h Yahoo dot com guy saying oh, they'll cut him

for sure, and I'm like, who are you? Yeah? But it's never, never, never once heard your name in a respectable manner like who are you? Yeah? And then the Sammy Watkins thing. I can't get over that. No, it's that's bizarre. I can't get over the we almost had Sammy Watkins. Sammy Watkins didn't want to replace Deaz and uh no, everything's cool. We still definitely definitely won him back forever and ever and ever. Yeah, that's the most of that that's my first exhibit. You're saying, if you

tried to get in for him. Yeah, yeah, you just tried to replace me. He didn't want to do it. But we're still cool, right, So you parted ways with him in your mind and your mind you said, you said goodbye. It's all right. It's opening day in MLB. I'll try to use a baseball analogy. You come to the plate and you need, you're needing a run. Maybe you got a guy on base in a crucial situation. First pitch, fastball, you just hack at it like you're

just trying to get it out park. You miss your your down one in the count and it's like two outs. So maybe you change your strategy there. You're a little Now you're just just trying to get on base. Now you're trying to make the pitcher throw nine balls instead of just strike out on three pitches. So you're explaining a heat check. This is running a play you basically you mean you swing for the fences. You don't get it. You change the strategy a little bit. I mean, that's

it's pretty that's the way I read it. Okay, question when they got off the field at the end of last season, which was seems like a whole year ago, but it's only a couple months ago. Dez Bryant and standing Pat or Alan Hearns and a I'm not gonna give you a first round wide receiver. I'm gonna give you a second round Anthony Miller DJ Chark type character. Is that a better team? Oh, Herns or the second round round? Herns and the second round second Rogie or de yep and Dez and the rest of the guys

stay pat like they probably are gonna know. Yeah, I think I think it is better sides. I think the hern I think Hearns and then because you're getting younger, you are, you're getting younger all the way around, and you're getting cheaper eventually once the dead money clears. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the better round. I think. I mean, I want to know who that second round guy is. It's well, maybe DJ Moore. Let's say DJ Moore, just to make you more interested, to stop Dave. It

makes me less interested because it's impossible, Dave. Dave is not going to let that happen. DJ Moore's not falling. He's trying to will him into like the top fifteen Dj Moore. If he's not the pick at nineteen, he's going at twenty. Canna get you a little conductor head, DJ Moore. Kirk, Christian Kirk is a guy I would draft it fifty. I would draft Christian with this team right now. I mean, and you got two slot guys. I don't love three slut guys to have three guys.

It's true, I don't. I don't me personally, I'm scared about trying to push to translate Christian Kirk's game to the pros. That's just like, but I'm not an expert. That's just how I feel. But if you told me hearns and in the second round draft pick the top of what they already have, like from a salary cap standpoint, from a youth standpoint, I feel better about it. And I mean there's no way around it. Based on the way they played last year. It's hard for me to

just be like, well, obviously, does it's better. I mean, like, where are you justifying that with? Yeah, just show me show me where he was yea. And if if it's not inside the ten yard line throwing a throwing a jump ball, because I don't know if it's there, I just there. There were so many plays left on the field last year, it's just hard to ignore. I think we need to be fair. The whole passing game needs to get better. Dez didn't stop learning how to run

round stuff. Hey, this is this is it's everything's changed when Tony left and Decks come in and the first year everything they did with gold And are we just worrying too much about the wide receiver position in general when we know the identity of this team true, which I think. I mean to go back to what Jerry said, I think he's right. If if the line's playing well and Zeke's doing his thing, nobody cared that Dez only had eight hundred yards and eight touchdown in twenty sixteen.

Like he did his thing, he caught three or four balls a year, played well, and the running game took center stage. Like that's fine, And I think they can win that way with Dez or with somebody else. But your backup plan needs to always work. Your backup plan, in my opinion, should be a better O line and a better running game. That's why I love what they did with their O line signings. That's why I still think guard is a draft priority and that's why I

would draft a running back this year. Let's jump to that. But I want to add one more thing on the des Alan Hurns thing. People look at Alan Hurns, they see eighty eight, they see six three, they see a big body kind of receiver. Yeah, seventy three percent of his routes last year, we're ran out of the slot. Yeah. Absolutely, that's not where Dez plays not. He's never played in there. Now that we have a different idea for him, the sun Jay get him and go, yeah, you're not playing

in there, You're going outside your opposite Dez. That's how this works. I'm just telling you both those guys can be on the field at the same time. I can. But has Hearn's ever been the best receiver on his team? Whenever Alan Robinson got hurt that one in entire year, I think the teams still running out of the slot that year. I don't know that that's and that's you know, if he comes to the dalyst with with Dez, you know, you can make the argument who's the best receiver doesn't

really matter. But you know, but the thing about it is is you know where Cole's gonna line up. That's where Cole's gonna be or Switzer or whatever. So yeah, there's no there's no maybe he's on that like Cole Beasley slot guy. They said they had a great wide receivers coach y Sanjay Laos supposed to be a great teacher, and that's what that's what he's got. He's got a lot of people now to to to work with um and you know, we'll see what happens with the draft.

I mean there's about nine or ten receivers right now and we haven't even gotten to pick a guy, and getting get three or four free agents. Yeah, it's gonna be a crowded room. And uh in Oxnard this year, there's no doubt, which no doubt. I'm gonna throw in one more thing if I may, because I mean, you're of course going about des speculating on his future, guessing whether or not he's gonna get cut like it's and some of it's warranted, but it's the classic scapegoat phenomenon.

I mean, Dead was three lockers down from Brandon Car for the you know, the whole time they've been here at the Star, and I think where the secondary's problems, Brandon Car's fault entirely while he was here. No, but he had the biggest cap hit by far, and that's just kind of that's the burden you bear when the team's not living up to expectations. All right, let's knock

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this goes. Thank you for coming out here. I see you. Thanks, guys. This is just the start, is to start. Yeah, No, We're out here for thirty forty minutes and then we get like the good shows going right. I don't know about that, Okay, all right, I think it's all I cannot wait for broad Est to be out here sweating. Oh lord, we got the draft show. We got uh, these boots are made for talking. The Dallas Cowboys cheerleading show to left my buckethead at home. We got talking

cowboys right after this to entertain you all day. Nate Newton's gonna be joining. That's gonna be awesome. Ye can't wait. Well, I'm Mike Marshall's Nick Eatman. That's a bar Garcia and that is David Hellman and still talking cowboys as you might imagine. All right, So Cameron filming something came out though.

It was kind of interesting to me, you know, yesterday, day before because everyone was saying, okay, three and three something million, three or three and a half, one year and three and a half one year, three and a half for a starting right tackle, Like the money doesn't make sense if he's gonna be a starting right tackle. And then you find out there's a little clause in his contract that can bump him up a whole million dollars. There you go. If he's a he starts the majority

of the games a right tackle. Tell me how we get our best five offensive linemen on the field, Nick Well, I think that it's it's great competition, and it all starts to me with Tyron Smith. Tyron Smith's the guy that you know, he was hurt three or four game while he was hurt probably ten to twelve games last year, but missed three or four games last year, and that really just kind of held them hostage all season long.

And so I think that when you're you're trying to figure out, how do we make sure we've got some depth at the tack position, Fleming looks like the guy that could come in and start, But I don't think Lyle Collins is ready to just give that position up, nor should he. So I think we're gonna have a good battle there. Marcus Martin's gonna be able to compete at the guard spot. Maybe Lyle slides in there, maybe they'd draft someone. So we don't really know who all

the guys are in plays are. But how do you to answer the question. You'd go out there and I'll start in and you compete. You get a chance to play in the game. You don't, don't you know? You see Dak Prescott when he's trying to throw, make sure he's standing after the play, because if he's down on the ground then that's not good for you as alignman. Yep,

what do you think, Dave? I would like to think that this team learned a lesson from what happened last year, because I the thought of best five makes me nauseous, to be completely honest with you, And at the end of the day, I don't care if it's Cam Fleming or Lyle Collins. But with that signing, I think you have three really quality tackles. You have three guys who could probably start at all three spots. I mean, Tyrn definitely can, and I think the other two probably couldn't

a pinch. You're gonna move even let's say Fleming even wins the job, You're gonna move lyle to card. I mean that what they did with Chaz Green last year. Didn't he played pretty well at tackle when that was the only thing he's supposed to be doing, And wasn't he not good at it when they needed him later? Wouldn't you rather have three guys who can handle two jobs as opposed to just all right, we're good here, even though our left tackle has been hurt in the

last two years. We're good. We'll move you, and now we've got two good tackles instead of three. I hate that. I really don't like it. I think it's getting out over your skis a little bit. It's it's presumptuous at best. I mean, if Tyrn Smith had never missed a game in his career, I'd be all for it. But that's not the case. That's not the reality you're living in.

Assuming that Kimeron Fleming is a better starting right tackle at this very moment than Lel Collins, maybe it's true, but come Week five, when you don't have a left tackle when you used to assume you can reshuffle everybody and everything just be fine. I get that either way. I mean, you know, let's say again, Fleming beats Lyle. Seven eight million is a lot of money to pay your backup tackle. It's better than the alternative, in my opinion,

And you know that's that's pro football. These guys. I can live with it if that's the way the cookie crumbles. But I don't like the thought of turning a strength into a weakness by shuffling guys around. Especially you drafted a guy in Marcus Martin who is capable of starting, and that's you know. I told Amber in the first segment, I would still maybe not pick nineteen, but somewhere in the draft I would draft a guard and try to

have a competition there too. But I don't like you tackle looks like a position of strength right now, and I don't like the thought of weakening it. So in your scenario of Lyle not winning the job on the right right side, who's your left guard, well, Marcus Martin or a draft pick. That's my point, Yeah, I just I don't Maybe maybe Lyle can do that job better than those guys. But again, I love the knowledge that I've got a capable backup tackle that is worth a

lot in the NFL for a lot of reason. I think, Mike, I think you hit it on the head there. To me, the swing tackle stick is going to be Um Fleming. I think he's living, yes, he just I mean he's going to be coached by a guy named Mark Colombo who was supposed to be the fourth tackle one year in two thousand and five, and he comes out and he's just better than everyone else and he ends up playing like six years. So if Fleming is that guy,

that's fine. But I think we know who the best and smartest football coach in the world is, and he didn't really decide to want him. So I don't know if if I don't, I don't know if if it's a given he's gonna come in and start at right tackle. I think he's your swing tackle. And you know, the quotes coming out of the owner's meetings are that they're gonna let it resolve itself, like may the best man win,

which they should. My hope you know when train camp rolls around or when training camp ends, is that it's tyring Travis zach Lyell Fleming as your swing and then, like I said, may the best man win between Marcus Martin, a draft pick Joe Looney if they want to give him a shot or they don't want to say, I don't think they do. But if they do, throw him

in there too or not. Yeah, hey, hey, if if you want to go back to the Chaz Greenwell whatever, just have a let let the best man win it left guard and don't move the rest of these guys sons getting kind of crazy on you there day. Like I said, going back to the Chaz green Well, I think really will calm down. I'm weary of using Chaz green Atlanta game as the rule, though I agree, I think that's the exception. I think you put almost anybody out there that day left tackle and you don't get

six sacks from Adrian Clayborne. And I don't think that it should be the rule. I should be the exception that happened one time and it's scarred is so bad that we're like adjusting the offensive land. It's only happened like three times in the history of professional Yeah, I mean, I mean, I understand the exception to the rule thing on three sacks, like what happened to him, Like the year before in Chicago or whenever he filled in for Tyring. Oh that's my point. Well, you could make the argument

that the position changed messed with his abilities. So that's the one thing that that's the variance in there. I am not ready to close the book on Chaz Green being a capable of football. No, he's gonna be here next year, but I think that probably depends on how training camp plays out. But yeah, I'm I am ready to close the book on depending him on him to potentially play left tackle for me. Like I mean, if they, like I said, if they want to throw him into

the mix at left guard, I don't care whatever. Give him a chance, but um but I wouldn't lean on him as as my plan A or B. Probably this team. They don't play the Rams this year, No, maybe maybe a season. Interesting you guys, You guys know how I feel about playing starters. I'm not playing starters in an exhibition game against Sue and Donald. Just no. We do have the books this year, though, that's j JPP. Yeah,

that's true in the house. No, nice. Yeah, We're going into Mike Evans down there at the point to that game that Texas Triangle Tour yeah, hung out, hung out with Mike Evans. I was, well, you know, nice guy, cool, cool dude coming here. I wanted to it's coming, he's coming here this season? He said yeah. He said, what's going on with this? And we were like, you told me us, he'll probably answer your texts. How many times do you get that question? Just anyways? So seriously, what's

going on with des? Like, yeah, and we're not we're not holding anything back, but we're telling you everything we know. Like, I don't know, Mom, can I just sit here and hang out with you? Yeah? She wants to know about death. Everyone wants to know about death always. I don't I mean, I don't blame it. It is. It was. It's like Tony Romo last year, like you can't deal with anything else going on around this team until you answer that question. To put a bow on the offensive line adds in

the situation. I think it's pretty savvy what they've done. I like it a lot. You create competition, you figure it out as you go. You let competition dictate how your lineup is gonna work. And that's how football is supposed to happen. Right it is? I draw I make a caveat with the thought of position changes and again like messing with your depth. I don't love that, but I the signings they've made to their old line overall, I love it. And I think, you know, people were

worried about the strength of it. I think when the draft is done, you're gonna look at the line and think like, oh, yeah, these guys are gonna kick some butt this year, and it's turn that unit to me into one of the one or two best units on the football team again, no matter what happens in the draft, right, yeah, No,

that's I I agree, And that's your identity. You know, you look at Philadelphia and they lost probably their best linemen and they still went and won the Super Bowl because there was no drop off and or there was probably a small drop off, but and that that's what you're trying to do. You know, injuries were going to happen, and I think that they've created some some strong depth

there at the offensive line position. So if everything goes right and Tyrn plays sixteen and Leo plays sixteen a right tackle, you're not gonna sit there Week seven and go dang, I wish we weren't paying Cameron Flimming three and a half. No, nobody's gonna care. We would be like, man, that was smart, that yeah, got themselves such a nice insurance. Good job, good job guys. That guy really helps in the jumbo Again again, go back to Philadelphia. Nobody would

have cared. You. Nobody would care if they would have won the Super Bowl with Wentz and had three million dollars or whatever with foals, you know, and so that that's that's kind of what they did. A quarterbacks obviously a different position, but I mean, you're just trying to protect yourself. It's why people buy insurance for their house and car. You want insurance, and that's that's what I think Fleming could do. The things you worry about when

you go ninety seven. Yep, that's the kind of stuff because nine and seven is like, you know, especially with the six game suspension to your best offensive player, you know, two wins here in your in your playoffs, and probably Dez's numbers could be the exact same thing. But if you are eleven and five and made the playoffs on of course talking about this, of course, it's it's the problem of the offense as a whole, right, and you look at the highest paid guy and it's easy to

point at him and go, Yep, that's the problem. Yep, it's not. It's not more complicated than that. To me. The problem that I that I have with with this team in the cap structure is that your your quarterbacks making about a million and a half, you know, a year, and most of these teams that are dealing with twenty million dollars quarterbacks and still getting everything under the cap because he's not gonna be making one point five billion for right, So yeah, you need to take advantage of that,

right you gotta jump on that, you'd like to think. So, all right, So yesterday the Cowboys coaching staff basically as a whole, almost outside of our our guy Keith O'Quinn, who we were hanging out with yesterday, we're down in Tuscaloosa, Alabama for not a not Alabama pro day that was already over. This was a private. Hey, we're gonna set up shop union your universe Universe university. Good god, Um,

we're gonna we're gonna take residency here. We're gonna be to r A telling you to clean your bathroom for one day. And uh so they went down to Alabama obviously like eight to ten draftable guys down there. I think more draftable guys than that, probably. I mean Texas had seven or eight draftable guys. Bama's probably got twelve

or thirteen, if I had to guess. And the last time they did something like this was two years ago when they went to Ohio State for Bosa for what Mali Cooker for Ezekiel Elliott, yep, because he had the fourth overall pick. Now, I look at the guys on the Alabama list and out of nineteen's a little rich for Rashaun Evans. To me, nineteen's a little rich for Durron Payne, the guy everyone remembers because the playoff games in college football that he had, he just destroyed people.

Mika Fitzpatrick interests me a lot. If you're talking about moving up a little bit, moving up, Yeah, and I would go down there and send my entire coaching staff to look at a guy that I would consider moving up for. Yeah. And you know, the Calvin Ridley is also Ridley. He seems to be dropping down a little bit into that range of nineteen and probably even past that, but who knows, I mean, who knows what this time of year all it takes is guys saying one or

two things, trying to position these players around. But I don't know. I mean, I'm not I'm not a big fan of moving up to that range. But you know, if say he's still a position of need, I mean what, you're probably gonna have to throw your first in your second round pick to go get that sitting on the spot. I mean, I think Minka is gonna go high enough that it might take more than that. And that's on the thirteen, the last one I looked at. Okay, Okay, okay,

how about this. How about you're sitting there in thirteen, the first twelve picks are gone and he's still there. You could trade the nineteenth pick and your second round pick to move up to that spot and you can take him. Or sounds a lot like mo Clayboy. At this point, Seattle is just getting anty. Here goes with Seattle again, and all you have to do is get You give them a second, just one second, but then you gotta then you gotta pay the band. Okay. That

is the greatest type. It's a great hypothetical because, yeah, you're essentially spending the same resources on a twenty nine year old who's going to cost you a boatload of money, who you know is a great player, or a twenty three year old who's not gonna cost you anything in the relative scheme of things, who might be a great player. A great player that's I don't know, and I don't because you can convince me. Doesn't mean he's gonna be a great player. No, but it certainly could mean that

it could. But I'm just saying that there's there's cases out there of these dominating players that come and for a team for as good as they are in the college game, Like Alabama's track track records not awesome, but no, Julio Jones went Tobama, Landon Collins went to Obama, like, they're damn good players that come out of there too,

for all the misses that they've had. I mean, if they Mo Claiborne, Minka Fitzpatrick and they say best defensive player in the draft and he starts getting to twelve, I'm doing it. I'm I'm in and I don't like trading up either, to be honest with you, but I think there's a sizeable gap between the first ten to twelve talents in this draft and then what comes after that. So I'm in especially and I know a lot of there's a lot of doom and gloom among the fan base,

it seems like. But I don't think this team is that many pieces away from being really really good. No, I don't either, And so I mean, give me a guy. If if that's the guy that you think is gonna be a badass in a starting spot, bring them on. That being said, that's why I would go and actually pay for a veteran for that for that reason'll get

your charles. Yeah, I think that's crazy. I think this stuff going on because his dog would be running through there comes storming out of the Luke Casey stool or trade of fun. There's some I mean, that's something I've seen go around a little bit, and I think there's some truth to it. Like I mean, obviously this is

a really young team. You've got your veteran leadership. I mean, Jason Witten's here, but this team doesn't have a guy that's even played in the Super Bowl that well, Cameron Fleming, Now, yeah there's a guy, you got one. Uh. This defense has so many youngsters on it that I think that could benefit them greatly. As if you could bring in a guy who's kind of been been there before and can impart some wisdom on you. But is that worth nine million dollars a year or more than that, because

Earl would need a new contract. I don't. I don't know. That's for the record. If it's just a second, I'm on, I'm on Nick's boat over here. It's just as opposed to a first an a second. Yeah, opposed to a first and a second for a guy that might be you know, a stud safety price tag goes down when drafted. It always does. Seattle doesn't have a second if you jump in there. I mean so, I like the pieces that we have on the defense. I like how they're building it. I think they can be good. Not a

top five unit, but maybe top fifteen unit. You throw Earl Thomas in there. That's the rug that pulls the room together. Yeah, it was what that is Jeffrey Lebowski. Uh No, two people got that reference. I got it the dude. So let's let's give the folks and Nick and Ambar a little behind the scenes of what we did the last uh forty eight seventy two hours. Dave, I don't mean leave your toiletries in College Station. I did do that. Thank you for telling the world. I'm

just reminding you so you can get them shipped back. No, I need to do that. I'm just like a good friend. Um over here. Well, yeah, you just let you left your toothbrush and Austin hasn't brushed his teeth since. So you're gonna get them to ship it back and not go to the store and get well No, I mean I got contacts in there. I got solution Man hair cream, I got all kinds of stuff on hair. How did he do his hair today? Guys? I invest in backup products.

It's fine. Jeez, there you go. We talked about backups all day long. You need a good backup. That's right. You went to your cam flaming product and you don't use your hair cream is face wash? You know? You keep backups, you don't just move your depth around. That's my point. It's gotta jump off for everything. Next cream up? All right, Well we went down to College Station Monday night. Yeah, because the them Texas Aggies, we're having a pro day

Tuesday morning. What was it? Nine to twelve is kind of when it was scheduled something like that, which means chickens like eight, so you're getting up at six six thirty. Yeah, no, it was. It was a really cool look into the you know, the world of scouting, and that's you know, I keep going back to like we did it for

two days. These guys do it for like nineteen days. Yeah, we're just tired already, like one after the other, Like the scouts we were with, one of them took caught a flight to Provo, Utah on Wednesday afternoon, like left Texas's facility, got on a plane to Utah. Yeah. Me and Dave are like, get us home. Whatever bus is going directly to Frisco. We want to come home and our and our and our guys Sam and Walter. Sam

was like all right, time to go to San Antonio. Bye, and then Walter's like I got a six o'clock to Utah and I'm like, no, man, No, we just did like back to back, like ten hour days, just straight through. But it's really cool, like getting to know those guys a little bit and them being cool enough and nice enough with us to let us just pick their brain. What are you looking at, wide receiver? What are you like?

What are you trying to do here? Like there are a thousand dude standing over there like doing the same exact job. Why do we need two of you guys here? What are you doing? U? What player did you come down here to see? They didn't tell us directly, obviously. No. We tried, we tried, We tried to get him to slip up, but it was really neat. Well, I mean, I'm sorry, not that they haven't had great players, but this year Texas a and him, I think it was

pretty obvious who they're there to see. Yeah, well he made it sound like there weren't a lot of guys. There's two were there were two that that's who people were there to see. And then we're not talking about people were joking, you know, Johnny Manzel was there and all the scouts were like, that's pro personnel. He's no longer college Scouting's problem. I forgot he was there. He's pro personnel. But Christian Kirk, your guy. Took a hard look at him, Armani Watts is another guy. And then

Texas had six or seven guys. I know a lot of our fans I love Malik Jefferson took a hard look at him. Um lot to like, No, I mean there's a lot to like about both schools. Really, Like I said, I mean, I think UM Texas was quality or quantity over quality and him was a little more quality over quantity. But definitely some good looking prospects of

both spots. It's to talk to the kids and they get advice from everywhere, right, Like everyone's trying to tell them they've got they got an agent, they got they got a family friend, they used to play in the league, they got this, they got that, and to see what they did, Like Armani Watts put on twenty pounds between the Senior Bowl in his pro day. Yeah, and guys are like, why what are you doing? Who gave you

this advice? Somebody told him he's gonna play linebacker? Yeah, someone someone said you're gonna be a Arizona Cardinal linebacker. You're gonna you're gonna get down in the box. We're gonna use you as a tweeter in a three four. Who are you most impressed with that? At? Ain't him Kirk? Just because that's I mean, that's what everybody was there to see. Yeah, And I don't know, it's it's like broad Us always says, it's like ice cream, Like I don't.

I don't love him. I don't. I just it's kind of like the whole T. J. Watt thing, which is a terrible analogy because he actually had a fantastic rookie season, but you know, people were worried, can he put his hand in the dirt. I'm worried about moving Christian Kirk outside and this team doesn't need slot receivers. I worry about just expecting him to do something he didn't really do in college on a regular basis in the pros. But there's no question that he's a dynamic athlete. Cool

moment when they went outside. So they're inside in this bubble and you're getting all these workouts, you're getting routes run, you're getting forties, you're getting shuttle drills, and they'd start taking everybody outside because both teams had punters. It was a tripuco from a M and Dixon. Australian kid from Texas actually came out early as a punter. He's gonna be a Day two pick as a punter. Yeah, that's crazy,

It's insane. And so they go outside and they start kicking to Christian Kirk and the only special teams guy there is our special teams guy. It's Keith, and watching Keith do hands on drills of what he wants to see a returner do, he'd walk over there and say, no, do it this way. I'm gonna do this to you face that way, the balls coming opposite direction, I'm gonna tell you when to turn around. You turn around, go

track the ball. That's the kind of stuff they're looking for. Yeah, and Christian Kirk was awesome at that, And don't they have another workout with him? They went down some members of the staff went down and worked him out yesterday actually, which that's you know, That's another thing people forget about is like these prodays are scheduled for one day in March, but these guys scheduled workouts with every team. Not every team. No, I mean, if you're a good prospect, you might have

anywhere from ten to fifteen private workouts with teams. So, you know, Cowboys fall. The Cowboys didn't have anybody at A and M's pro day. Don't worry, They're going down there to look at Christian Kirk in private. So and then Texas was a little weirder because they got a fence and basically they're practicing down there by the police car and we're over here, and you kind of got to figure out what's going on. Yeah, and they let you slide down the sideline a little bit and then

they're like no, no, no no, get back. So it was it was a little weirder, but it was a cool experience. That's once Tom Herman showed up and some other like Texas, uh, you know, big heads showed up, and the the the universities guys had to pay attention to them. They didn't care what we were doing. We were staying on the field like as a guy's running his drills, like right next to our scouts and just go on, what's that? What's that? What is that? What's wrong here? Whenever they'd

make a noise. So it was really cool. It was interesting. But to go back to your original point, you know, Alabama, not that we got to go, but if you can, if there's a sports book that takes bets on that, I'm going and putting money that the Cowboys draft Obama player. I just I mean, okay, you don't do that. And I'm not saying it's gonna be at nineteen by they'll draft one of those guys. I bet. So where are

we gonna see this Texas Triangle? And when? Well, I'm going to town next Thursday, so it'll be done by then. Why why Yeah? Why a Mike getting married? You know why? Settling down? Nick? Wow? Okay, the older pertinent question question. Well, awesome, All right, let's knock out our final break. When we come back here on Cowboys break, Well, we'll do something fun. How about that that works for you? Guys? Dance Okay, I'm gonna play the drums. If you want to dance,

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pressuring these people. I'm giving away free food. True, I'm gonna try. You said it, Okay that you said something. I get a mambo taxis what I'm gonna do. We'll wrap up here, mambo taxi. About two of those, you'll be on the floor. How many Margarita references did he making his press con He made a lot. Jerry Mark's on the mind. Mister Jones was in rare form today. It was really it was the most entertaining introductory press conference I've ever yeah been, I love it. Spice it

up talking about margarite. What's your pick on on margarita? Mbo? What kind you going with? I don't like tequila? Like to kill it all? No, I'm a whiskey. Okay, okay, we get some can interesting mentioned some whiskeys and get some free samples of that or yeah we got we get some of that in the works, don't we do? For the draft shows? The Cowboys official Whiskey. I don't. I don't know any Walker Blue out there we go.

I'm just guessing. I don't know. I don't know. Um all right, we got a couple other shows coming up after us. We got Talking Cowboys, we got the Draft show day. We'll be back out sure, sweatier than ever. I feel fine to be honest with you. And then, uh, why these boots are made for talking. The Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders show will wrap up the day out here for you to entertain you for a whole afternoon, having a

great time. There's Mickey staring a hole through everyone. He's like, wrap it up, No swag, Yeah, swag rolla out there in the middle of parking lot. Um. All right, it's a little bit of news besides the margaritas. Yes at the press conference, ribbon cutting, whatever you want to call it, from the Jones family. And the news is Randy Gregory working on reinstatements, possibility that he could be playing as

soon as next football season. I don't know if it qualifies as like breaking news or just a repack to hit the sounder. Yeah, I mean Jerry Jerry Jones did talk about Randy Gregory said, you know, he's preparing to apply for reinstatement with the league. No timeline timetable on what that means, but there is reason to hope he

could be available for twenty eighteens. I mean, it's it's as plainly as anybody said that to this point, like it's as plain language as there has been about Randy's situation. But I'm taking all of that with a grain assault until I see some real movement. But it is, you know, and that you know, Stephen Jones said at the combine that you have to prepare for the worst case scenario,

which is that he won't be available. You know, you're not banking on him to be available, but obviously that would be a tremendous was to the pass rush if he if he were to make it back. Do you care if Randy's back, I mean, yeah, if he's back, I'm I think that Charles Tapper has a better chance to contribute to this team than than Yeah, and I don't really think that's gonna happen either, So saying and both of him, I mean, believe it when you see

it type thing. And you know, he's got to deal with a lot more things than than just being a good football players. So of course if he can get to that point, that that's great. You know what we've seen it in Cleveland. We saw I'd never thought Josh Gordon would ever play again, and he did. So if Randy Gregory can can go that route. That would be great. And you know he he would uh, he would help this this bass rush for sure. Michael Vick came back

from jail prison, not prison. Prison. I love that. That's just getting thrown out this whole Yeah, yeah, prison real prison in the back. All right, we're about at a time. Anything else we need to get to. Okay, I'm sweating, I got a coat on. You did good work. Thanks, say you're no, Hey, you're I mean Derek. Derek's not that awesome at this Mikey, I thought you did a good job. I'm gonna email that to him. Good now he's watching, so Hey, I think Derek think you did

a great job. I say those things just for you, Derek. All right, well, thank you guys. That was fun. I'll go anywhere, don't go anywhere, talking cowboys with the swag roller. And then we got the draft show. Yeah with broadest. Yeah, we're in a bucket hat. And then we got cheerleaders out here. He'll get it. Go get your bucket hat. Nobody doing all right, Thanks guys for out of here. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.