Talkin' Cowboys Break: LIVE @ Cowboys Golf Classic

We are hanging with the boys today, as Nick Eatman says, uh, yeah, Brian brought us Amber Garcia, Nick Eatman, Rob Phillips, Dave Hellman again, a special show here from the Cowboys Golf Club. Hopefully we're gonna have players pop on by. We're out here right now at the club in the middle really with the halfway house, uh, where players, all the sponsors players can grab some refreshments and and head on to

the various points of the course. Excited to be out here. Guy, I've already seen some golf shots you wouldn't see on the golf channel, you know, struggling out there at a little little struggling out there. But they're not too pro football players. Yeah, I'll tell you what though, But it's good to be out here and I'm happy that the crews all out here with us. You need some sunlight after the Draft show of like twenty four hours coverage in the dark. Were you too, David? We had some fun.

We had some fun. It's good. This is like a two hour show, which to Rob and I is kind of like, oh, it's a little longer show. But these guys just did like the Draft show marathon, so two hours is like exactly asking for a break. They're like, why how you doing, young lady. You're doing our today. I'm doing good. I don't know much about golf, you know, as you hit the ball and hope it makes it into the hole and straight and far, straight, far, and

don't have to chase it all day. So there you go. Yeah, But like we were talking about, we'll hopefully have some players, front office guys, coaches, whoever can get through to visit with us. We'll we'll take the time to do that. For like Nick said, we got a couple hours show today and so we'll get into a lot of various topics of the things that were going on. We got the the rookie Mini camp coming up. The excitement level

for that and where you see that. You know, we all, like you said, Nick, and guys, we we did the draft show. We brought all these guys in. Where's your excitement level? And I'll start with you, Ambar, where's your excitement level right now? The draft class that's coming in. Well, the thing is, I don't know that I get much from watching the mini camps. Sure, Honestly, it's until we get into training camp that you start seeing some real action and see how these players are really playing. So

but I don't know. I'm excited to see vander Esh come in and see what he can do at what level he's that? Sure? What are you guys calling him? What's his name gonna be? He don't like l that's too long. Call him late? That's that's bad for a linebacker to be late. That's a good point. Yeah, that's never never a good thing. I'm how about Vandy, you know, like the college that's what they call Vanderbilts. That's going to be interesting, van Esh is what I heard some

people say. Um yeah, I have to point about the receivers. I said this on the round table to your point Amber yesterday, Ryan Switzer, who's no longer here right, pretty good a year ago at this rookie camp, because although it's not really a compete type of practice and they're not in pads, you can see what kind of routes, hey, Byron Jones. You can see what kind of routes guys are running. And and I think Dalton Schultz is a guy to watch. I think Michael Gallups gotta watch. Yeah, yeah,

I think you're right about that. And Cedric Cedric Wilson's the guy. You're right, These rookie receivers, the rookie quarterback, Mike White'll be out there. Those are the things that you can see like, oh, the guy looks good, you know, the spiral looks nice and and the you know, nice route and nice catch. You know, you can't tell if Connor Williams is going to be dominant there just because of how he moves his feet and all that kind of stuff. But it's so this is one of those things,

what can we see, what can we evaluate? Um, I think it'll it'll be fun to see. It's about the athletic ability is really what it is. You can see the movement schools. If we remember last year at this time, we were talking about Okay, you know, Taco, how does he look just moving around? How does uh you know, how do the corners all look Lewis Cheeto? How did they look moving around? I think those are the things you can kind of draw from, uh, from these uh,

from these uh, these camps and stuff. I think it'd be a lot more teaching. Is my memory hazy or is it really just more of like a jog through and then it's it's it's not you'll see, you'll see. It's not the let's go out there and where's somebody out watching get sick? It's yeah, that's I'm just I just want to see where they put these guys. That's I mean, you know, I would expect Connor Williams to start at left guard and get work there, and we'll

see where they put these receivers. But yeah, I mean ambers right, if you want to see football, probably better off waiting until late July. But yeah, you know, like I said, you see where they put these guys and how they're working with them, what they're trying to teach them, try to glean up little bit from that. I was just looking at the wireless MinC like, oh, maybe that's what we should have got as Byron Jones is over there. Yeah.

I think she was going to ask Byron if he'd come back, but well we forgot the we forgot the Mairelin. That's okay. We could get all the way out to some people, this is why we're here. Some people stop here because you know, they gotta go to the bathrooms. Yeah, and then some people just play, Yeah, they just go through. I think Byron's group just decided to go from a level was a jail, and that came through and he was like, I'm not stopping. I gotta Yeah, I got

my next shot. I like the fact jail and he had his bag looked like you need to have his name on it, you know, it's like a professional looking bag. Yeah. Yeah, the leper Con is his uh as his is his uh head cover there on his driver. So yeah, well maybe we could get like say Ambar can we can? Chris Beam has set us up where we can take this wireless and go all the way out, So we'll figure that out. Maybe get a word with somebody out there. Maybe we can let Rob he uh do a little

golf commentary. We got that on the course, which, yeah, we've got some golf commentary Brad Sham and they're doing a little golf commentary out there on the second hole the Cowboys. Yeah, yeah, well he was talking while the swings were going. What's that with Byron? Is he he's playing some DJ learning about some djane over there? Right? No, Bryce is not there, but he said he's gonna join us in a little bit, right right, Ryce isn't playing

with Pat Peterson and Larry Fitzgerald. Now he thought, no, I thought Bryce would be the dj J booth. Yeah, that's a good point. Now he's playing the actual foot baffle bag is no longer here. So well, I mean what receiver? I mean the whole world. That's kind of a good segue. Receiver. Yeah is it? Where's where's the group? Where is that croup? I'll tell you what Bryan's Davon Austin? What is running back? I think? Now? I did a scouting report on Dallas Cowboys dot com yesterday on translated

into Spanish. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. If you've gotten used to my slang with scouting, I think that we've been together at this long not slang. It's just disjointed English it is. It's just jointed English hips. Yeah, yeah, quick? Why why do you guys always go to the good hips? Because the best so twitchy typical good twitchy's good, good knee bend. He's a dancing bear, good dancing bear, term good off. Punch needs more consistency with the punch. Tell you what

the would you just described there? Who did I just yeah? Who did I just describe there? Okay, give me the scout. Okay, give me my skan report? Then reading my scan report on a table on Austin in his voice? Yeah, what do you think? In my voice? Doing my voice? Oh, don't make me do that? Yeah, go ahead, Yes, he did a whole damn show a question? What is tabe on Austin? What his tab is? He needs to work around the line of scrimmage good side to side speed,

don't know about a downfield threats stop hand stop? Okay, that's a lucky White hit. Okay, now exactly what if where? Where would you play him? If he's not a down the fuel player, if he's an underneath player. I think I think he's a guy. I think he's a better lance done what I'm saying, he's a guy that you can split out wide, yeah, but kind of in space,

kind of those short routes, run after catch guy. But he needs to show somebody that he can go vertical, because if not, then no one's ever gonna be afraid of the side to side. He's got to do it occasionally. See that's where you didn't see that it was Virginia. You didn't see a lot of down the field plays. A lot of the plays were underneath, you know, throwing routes to him, get the ball to him quick. You know last year the rams again, it was jet sweeps,

handing the ball, toss sweeps, yeah, throw screens. I think at a thing, he's gonna be a nice little blend between Dunbar and Lucky Whitehead. I think that I wrote about this yesterday. I personally, I think it's an overreaction to say, like he's a running back, he's gonna play blah blah blah, he's gonna be in the running backs room. Like I think he's gonna be a receiver who motions into the backfield, who takes a handful of handoffs, who does the jet sweep, who catches the ball out of

the backfield. I agree with him, however, I mean he had sixty carries last year, but seeing catches do the math on that, though, I mean, what's sixty and six team games? I mean it's not it's not a boatload. It's like three or four. He's he's a skill player. And speaking it's an athlete, speaking of grabbing a good interview, right off the beat, speaking of athletes, speaking of athletes. Right here, right step right in here we go a microphone.

That's you with the microphone. Hopefully you can hear us talk. Yeah, yeah, is that new pool over? We got to do it, trying for you guys. Thank you, We're very good. We're joined by Byron Jones by welcome. How's how's the plane going on out there right now? Rough? You know it's early in the morning, the sun starting to beat. I saw a snake. I'm not Yeah, we saw a snake driving in too, and Derek almost flipped the cart. We were all we're all trying to get out of the way. Snakes.

Everything shouldn't be on his earth. But I it's the most I've ever agreed with you ever about anything that's right. Get rid of him very much. How's your golf game? So, for whatever reason, I rise the occasion in these events. So I'm hitting pretty decently. You haven't gotten many in the hole, but they're getting close. Now there you got mad. This is your fourth one. This is my I think third. Yeah, well gotta be fourth. Well it was right after, it's

right after you got drafted. Yeah, it's my third one, third one. However, you improved over the years. Last year I was I almost like got a hole on one. I'm trying to I'm trying to fight back from that. So I'm hoping close. The team a little toasted already. I mean, we're yes a couple of drinkers. So they're playing well. They're playing well as good as you would think in their in their minds at least there swings

like improved that they get. The swings happen a little loose and really we got one guy who's just trying to kill the ball. There we go. Yeah, I love it's always right, but he is trying to hit that thing hard. But yeah, it's it's good to be out with those guys. What were here the thought of the draft? You know obviously that there was no defensive backs taken for like the first time ever the Cowboys have done

that what was your dodged overall? Which, to be honest, I don't watch my college football, so I don't know any of that players. But I trust that front office to pick some good ones for us. Yeah, well, how's the transition? Then? We've talked about you come out and said, hey, I'm gonna move to corner. Now, how's the transition been for you? I mean you started off corner. You've been saying, he played forty eight games and we're trying to figure out what you're gonna do. But you know, I mean, hey,

good for you, But how has that been? Have you had to do things differently in preparation? Putting on weight, taking off weight, working more. I actually enjoy it. I'd like to challenge. For me, it's it's changing a little bit of technique wise. As a corner you we'll focus on all your footwork on a press man. Yeah. So for me, I like the challenge. I like changing up things, and I just want to be in the best positions possible.

And coach Richards, I think he's going to do a good job at coaching me up and making me the best kind I've kind of seen him from our office. He's kind of working with you a little bit every day. It looks like, you know, you're playing your press stuff and all that. How has that been from him with the changing with the coaching staff and with the new defensive I love his energy. His energy is the most contagious thing. You know. You feel it in the meeting rooms,

you feel out on the field. Um, he pushes you to the limit. Even though this is just like an introduction period. He's pushing us to the limit. We talked about how you were the veteran guy, not the old guy, but veteran leadership in the secondary last year. What do you think about the young DB's Cheeto and those guys and what this guys are sus kind of jump they can make this year. I think they can make a huge jump because they know so much football and now

it's just about getting reps underneath their belt. And once they get that, I think the guy's limit for those young guys. Man, I know you left some pretty nice

notes for like Winning and Dez when they left. Obviously you've had your battles with both of those guys just and I know they're offensive guys, but you look around the locker room like he's I mean you're you're an old head now, I mean, what's what's that dynamic like looking around the uh, you know, with the exception of probably Sean, I guess, not a whole lot of older players. And how do you fit into that, you know, in the new locker room. Yeah, it's different to see you

see a lot of guys just go Um. Life happens fast. Life change is fast as well. To have those guys in my life, I'm incredibly blessed to see them, see how they work, see how they prepare. Um, I was fortunate to actually get to see them and play with them. Um. But new leaders are stepping up. That's just how it is in life. That's how it is in football. Um, people rise to the occasion, people rise to the top, and that's gonna happen with this team. Byron, thank you

so much. We know you gotta go out and play some golf. So's the first. Thanks for stopping and good best Lucky. We'll see in the OTAs and training camp. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, catch up, yeah, catch up with the swing set? Yeah, Byron, John is your line, Dave, what life happens fast, Life comes at you fast man. Yeah, yeah, look at this roster. Oh that is different way he's he's twenty six. Yeah, we were talking about that last year. All of a sudden he's the he's the vet guy.

And now it's like, you know, I mean, who's who's left that Shaun Lee is the only non specialist on this team who's over thirty. Well, I'll tell you what, Yeah, it's it to me. It's a you know with him, and I mentioned it, he just got a little smile.

Guys played forty eight games for you, sar. You know, he's played forty eight games and and that's been a that's one of those things where you're kind of like going, man, figure it out, you know, figure it out for that let's let's you know, and then I'm excited it did he you know, wants to go out there and challenging. I think he's gonna be your right corner. I think that's where you know, you look at. Yeah, it's gonna

be between him and Lewis at the right. I didn't think they would move him if they didn't have a plan for him, and I don't I don't know how you could say, oh, we're not gonna we're not gonna start him or attempt to start him. That's why why don't you you scout him as a player, Why don't we scout the swing? That was nice smooth swings. Yeah, I'll tell you what I did not. I was kind of blocked there a little bit, but by the golf cart right there. But yeah, but he's just such a

good athlete, you know, hand eye guy and all that. So, you know, good for him. Again, I just kind of I feel I feel bad for him having to just but they picked up his option. They want to, you know, they want to try and figure things out. Obviously sounded very Amber sounded excited about, you know, Christopher Shark coaching him though. I think he's one of those guys. I think of him as kind of Sean Lee with that football mentality of how dedicated you are to the game.

I think he has that kind of discipline as an athlete. And I know he hasn't been great and amazing on the field yet, but I still have hope for what he can do and I believe him as a player and as an athlete. He turned around just to make sure he's not read, But I don't think no, I don't know. You know, he mentioned that he would, But he mentioned Chrisopher Shard to your point, and I think I have trust in him based on his track record

of knowing how to work with dvs. I mean, I said yesterday the Legion of Boom is arguably the best secondary we've seen in the last twenty years in the NFL. He knows what he needs to fit his system and this may work out. What Christopher Shard have drafted Jordan Lewis last year if he was a part of the team, would they have drafted Christopher Shard? I mean, I mean, I'm sorry Jordan Lewis if he was here, because he

would have a bigger corner, long corners, long arms. Yeah. Yeah, Now if he saw how he played, they all gonna draft him. If everyone saw how he would have played this rookie year he draft. See this is where I see, don't forget and say his name, Marquez White. I think it's Maru Marquez White. Don't forget more Quez White, because I think he's been a kind of a forgotten guy

with this group. I didn't mean to throw a curveball in because it brought it, because yeah, he looks he looks the part, and I don't feel like anybody's really talking about him. I know we had a mail back question leave yesterday about the corners and stuff like that. I mean, and I agree with you to a point, but like we get a quiet we have there's a question in the mail back about every player on the team, like nobody's talking about him. Like what do you want

me to say? No, no, no, no no no, I'm just saying that still on the table. But to his he's playing the backup safety. But see see to me, that's where, that's where, that's where you know that there's some guys that we don't you know, there'll be some guy that surprises us. Well they're like, oh, well why were we not talking about him? I don't know. I don't think that'll be a surprise because I think if I had to guess, I think they'll keep six corners on their

fifty three man roster. Yeah, and you broke that down. We need to get into that too a little bit. And after the after the obvious four buyer and Cheeto, Jordan and Brown, who you're who's your five and six? I think Mark wese White would be the first one off the board in terms of guys who have a chance to make the team. You guys mentioned Jordan Lewis to me, is he not a natural fit potentially in the slot to replace Scandrick? His body type short air?

They went, they went last year, They went last year with UH, They went last year with UH. If you look at Xavier Woods being that guy true, you know, yeah, I think that. I think that's kind of where I think that with Xavier Woods. Are they going to play him? I mean? Or is he now going to be your true free safety? Joined here by Taylor Stern. Now we have a line change. It's like a hockey Gawn, what you've been calling me the five o five lately? Clip? So you hang around? I mean a lot of interaction

with these young guys. Second year we had with Anthony Brown had a year where we thought, okay, he's going to jump from his first year and the second year. How do you think the trance for the young guys who's gonna be Are we gonna see some of the pitfalls or what do you feel like on that? Well, we all watched All or Nothing. I think Jordan Lewis

is going to come out hot. He is gonna come out ready to take over, compete with Byron Jones figure that out right, and I think you know, Cheeto, he's ready. He's growing a rat tail. If you guys have seen him around this are very questionable hairstyle choices, but very solid football. Solid football, Yeah, solid football. And you know, of course we were just talking it would be awesome to see Taco out here, right, I would like to see what Taco's golf swing is like. Yeah, he's six seven,

I can't imagine. It's amazing. That's always that's always difficult for the club selection, especially if you don't own your own and then that you borrow some from the club Cowboys club and they're not long enough. That's always a bad situation. That Charles Barkley swing that one. Yeah, we do have Tyrn Smith out here, and we saw him on whole one. Not bad, actually not as bad as you'd think you would be, right, you know, and he's actually proved his game and he was even getting some tips.

So yeah, it looked like it looked like if you're a football, especially for this team with I mean I've only ever worked for the Cowboys, but the public eye on this team is so great. You wind up in situations like this where sponsors and you know, people want to play golf with you. I feel like you almost have no choice but to at least become passable at golf possible. DA's taking it up right, Yeah, last years, that's pretty good. Yeah, he's out here with Albertsons right now.

And then we're gonna be kind of roaming between these two holes you guys are just placed in front of. And then we're gonna go get some player interviews. See yeah, look again the wireless mike. We've got the opportunity to grab a couple of tea boxes here, so see the real analysis, get the real analysis and break down some golf swings. Does that make me burn lun Quist out here? You know what? You could be burned Lunnquist. Dottie Pepper is another. She's really good on the broadcast and stuff.

Dottie Pepper sounds like she's a really good golfer back in the day. Good back in the tennis with her or something. I don't know. Good, Sorry, but no, I was just I was talking about the sorry about what your mom playing me, just spouting on, just talking nonsense, just talking. But I was just kind of the this is team though it's turned into a young team. You know, we all we were. Now you've started get with Dez Bryant now being gone, you know with with now with

Jason Witten being gone? Though, is this is this going to be the right route? Is this going to be the right route? Everybody going with the young team? Wow? I mean I mean from not wrong, I mean it has to be right. You made this decision. And for the record, I think that the decisions all in all are good. Like I think this team is trending in the right direction, but a better work. We got asked on Twitter, if Witton had not retired, would they have

kept Dez Bryant? Right, And I don't. I think they would have moved on to day. I think they'd made a decision to move on. I think every case is different. I think obviously they would have wanted Jason and to come back, which would skew your average age on this roster. But hey, Stephen Jones has always said, if you're a younger team, you're probably gonna be a healthier team. You're gonna make it through sixteen games, and these guys are

gonna get better, and that's what they're counting on. Oh, they're young and all the wrong spots though, or they spots in the secondary or no, because what you said yesterday, I'm talking cowboys, you said Chris Richard. He basically region of boom. He basically threw them up. So it's like, these are the right age if you want that coach here and you want him in place to do well. Yeah, yeah, I think they're young at the right spots. Okay, I mean where do you need youth in the secondary? You

need talent there to be. They're young, but freakishly talented. They're receivers. They're young, but they have a lot of talented. She's screaming for a safety though? Do they have? Do they have? How many times do we have to do this? I mean, I'm serious. It's not a shot at Amber or anybody else. I don't know what to tell you. I think that they need to add a safety. They haven't done it. It's the one thing. Should they made

the trade? Didn't know they should? Should they? For the terms that we have heard were discussed, I'd rather have Connor Williams getting excited about a trade. Yeah. I think you look at it and you say Connor Williams in the second round like a Zach Martin he could be a starter for you, pro Bowl type guy potentially for ten years. That's what the you know, a long term guy that can fix your line. And I'm fine with

what they did. I really do. I mean to me, that's on the Draft show he didn't want to guard, but in the second round you were okay, I didn't want to draft a guard more than I wanted to draft a linebacker at nineteen. I never said I didn't want to draft a guard. I would have. I would have rather had Layton vander Esh at nineteen than whatever guard you could have told me was there. Dandy Vandy. Yeah, I think I like Lve. I know it's a lot of it's gonna be the better player who between the two,

vander Esh or Connor Williams. Yeah, I think Connor Williams has a better chance to be successful right away, just be I mean, they're gonna plug him into a line filled with all pros. Do you see him jumping boxes on Twitter? Yeah? It's I mean, he's an athlete, man. He looks more athletic than Tying, which I didn't think it's possible. We saw him at the Pro Day though in Austin. I know, I know you paying attention. Yes,

I was, thank you all right, I was there. I think you were shut up, Brian y All had a good Uh, he was a good trip down there. No, he's somebody was paying attention to our second round pick, go away. I didn't even know he was. Was he working out as much as everyone else? I thought he kind of didn't know. He did a full workout. The whole video I saw was worked him at Center him the Saints. The Saints worked him out. There's a lot

of puna in that video. Glad you, glad you paid attention. Well, the video condensed eight hours of work into eight minutes, So I mean, yeah, um, we got here. He was in this group. I don't see a cowboy. Did anybody know the guy in the last group? I wasn't. I no, I kind of I'm kind of counting. I was like, oh, somebody, hey, I mean, somebody was like that Wetzels like everybody, but everybody but the rookies is here. So offensive lineman from Cincinnati.

Offensive lineman who yea, his name escapes me right now, probably Paul Alexander's guy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Um I would not have done that trade for the fiftieth pick. I think Connor Williams is going to be a stud I think this offensive line is set up to dominate. Think Zeke's gonna flourish behind them. And that goes back to my point. They are not young, They're they're experienced in the right places because they got a wealth of experience

on that defensive line. They got the best offensive line in the league, and they're running back and quarterback by NFL standards, are experienced. You can't make that excuse for Dak and Zeke anymore. They're going into year three. The average NFL careers three years, you'd have made the trade. I don't think so, honestly. I love that tells me all I need to know if captain. If Captain Earl doesn't want to do it, because because no other guard, I don't think you guys know it better than me.

No other guard would have come in and said, definitely he's the starting left guard. If you if you you could make the trade and then you just try to get that guy in the third, fourth round. I don't think you can get it that. The deal isn't dead with Earl. It's not dead unless somebody else makes the trade. You can still do something so it's not I mean, would you make that determination they have to do something? They I agree, that's a veteran somebody. People are like

yelling at me on Twitter like it's my fault. I'm like, look, I think they're gonna do something. What do you want me to say? I'm completely over, Like I'm over what over earl over the safety discussion they should have done in the draft. Okay, it is what it is. We have what we have now. Well see, I don't think that's true though, because is it not true player acquisitions thirty Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, but right now it is

what I I bet you. I don't you think it's more likely that they add They're gonna add a safety to this group before they even go to camp. You're not. You're not going to camp with three true? All right, what's the what's the bigger needs? Safety or tight end? Right now? To go get a veteran safety? I think safety? Okay. I think I think Schultz is gonna be just fine. Myself. I think he's probably I think he is my Blake Jarwin if they don't move him to tackle, could could

be the guy between the four tight ends. I think they can get the job done. I don't know who it's gonna be. But what about Swimmers? Yeah, I like, I think swim is an underrated player. I was actually I was looking at uh, you know these Derek don't be doing the hookham horns when he was drafted. You were like, who it's true? Yeah? Who is this Guy's? All right? I saw Derek. Derek was on the internet last night claiming the Rockets. I'm sure it was like

the third game. Wait, wait, wait there he's I knew he was gonna get mad. He's a Rockets guy, like I know he is. He was watching Carl Herrera back in the day. I would like accounts, Sam. I wasn't trying to like make you sound really old. I would love account haircutt. You know he's looking pretty young. Now, Hey, Dustin Stanton is your former Cincinnati Bengal. Who's out here? There we go a new offensive lineman? Yeah, I stant call them? Yeah? Stand dude, why do we not work?

So we're not worried about were the Xavier Woods can't do the job? No, I'm with you. Are you worried? Worried? I think they need to hurry up to because this whole before camp stuff. So the guy shows up right before camp, like, hey, I'm a veteran guy four years and you want me to be the leader. And then they're like, who's this guy? I mean, do it early

so you can establish like that. I you know, some guys use his experience to him because if you just bring him in last minute, what's the point you're shaking your head over there. I just don't understand it. I don't. I mean, and I've heard there. I've heard there. Did they make enough moves before the draft at guard and tackle to make you feel like they could have taken to safety or made the straight Yes, but I'm not I can't hate on there. I can't hate I had

Connor Williams above Vanderish on my top fifty. I can't. I can't. I don't want to tell you that. Yeah, I'm just saying though. I'm just saying though, I felt like that Connor Williams was going to be gone right by the time they picked it. FI. I'm not trying to criticize their draft because I love the Connor Williams pick. Honestly, I didn't like Justin Read at all, Like I did not like his tape. And then after like that's fair.

After the third round, maybe you trade up to get ter various more, but that's not even the guy they were trying to trade up for. We found out later Armstrong and then after so after to various mor goes off the board. Who you want that's gonna make a difference anyway, you're just drafting another Xavier Woods at that we okay with the governor and making the decisions there or are we not believing that? Are we just? I think we're given. I think the governor made a governor

abbot govern Texas made to sit. Yeah, yeah, he said, sit, you'll happen, work out what happen if we're going. You think if the governor said to do something they really didn't want to do, they'd do it. And I don't think so. Jerry listens a lot of people. Yeah, but there's done other people in that room. You know that governor, what do you want to do? Let's say, let's see if let's see if Armstrong gets to one sixteen. He was right, He told him, I know you've been watching

this for the last like eleven. It's been worth and will hang on a second? Well, gov, what do you think? I just you laugh, you laugh. One time we talked to uh, we talked to Stick Michael, the general manager of the Yankees, about a player. Oh they're taking that guy, yeah, true Henson. And I wanted to remind him that you got this guy Moron Rivera. That's so you're not used and once you put him in the game, he'll be

good for you. Yeah. Hey, and that's what. That's one thing they said about Mike White and immediately thought of Drew Henson. He's a baseball player, but he's not really a baseball I played in high school. He wasn't a college guy who's trying. Now he's trying to play football. It's not the same. I think they're gonna be all right with this Mike White. He does throw ninety miles an hour. Though, Well, we're how do we get on Mike White? No, No, he was just stunt for Yeah.

We're just kind of jumping around here. Try to control the show here, but there's no control to this show. I'm not hating on their draft. I just hate do something about safety. I saw that Taylor was supposed to go and interview players, and she's got a club in her hand. She's about to hit she's she's enthusiastic about the game. She's a new play. She's a new player. He's excited about the game of golf. She recently got into it. But she said she scored an eighty seven

of the first time out. I said, listen, you and I need to win home. She clarified, No, no, no, she did. But when she said I shot an eighty seven, she said eighty seven. I went, listen, everybody need to quit. Everybody herring your bag. We'll get a sponsor. Yeah, I'll get one of my shady sponsors to come. And was like, I was like, happy Gilmore style. You should playing the way at nine. No, no, no, no, she's play right now.

Let's look at the swinger. Jeremiah is getting the pick. Yeah, Taylor sturn on the tea, Oh oh oh yeah, okay, she said no. She said it was five to three and we're at the endings. Hey, I'm speaking of five. You see my guy James Paxon throwing no hitter last. Nobody cares about the man to be quiet there, nobody cares. Nobody cares about you. Tweaked that stuff and I just immediately mute, which everybody should to begin with. That's your problem.

Take was that strike too right there? Well she's taking him. Go back and listen to this, and no, she's not kick all our butts. She's got a good swing it. She said she shot eighty seven. Everybody was like whoa, I was. I was very Sergio shot eighty four. The Masters like wait a second. Yeah. Yeah. So she redid her math that night and it was like one thirty and then she added eighty seven more to it. Yeah,

that's what she did. She did text us later she's got the gool but the Gary player walk over steps shot y'all Gary player, Well, hey, hold on, PILs, you get after it, tay, Oh that was as my man as our guys. How does like Collins missed the hot dog hole like this was made for him. It's only ten o'clock and he's still going. He's going, Does that mean yeah, you REMI has had two Yeah, it's kind of like me at the Masters eating those pimenta cheese sandwiches.

I didn't punish that two bucks of sandwich. You're gonna punish a lot of them. Yeah, I hear you talk about that real quick. The experience of being at the Master, even if it was practice right. It was awesome. It's practice round. If you've ever had the opportunity, you ever get invited to go to Augusta, it's worth the trip. It's a good flight into Atlanta. Just drive over, see me angels playing harps in the trees or anything. Let me tell you what that is? Heaven right, it is.

There's nothing out of place at that you want. Doesn't look like you all of a sudden you compare those these trees everywhere and then you just walk in and you're like, oh my gosh, but it's it's the most green, lush place you've ever You're very like you eat your dinner off the grass. It's that. But I was standing at the at the sixteenth hole and watch Tiger and Phil and those guys all hit shots, and it's impressive. You would you don't imagine the the undulation? Am I

using the right word? Undulation? Where did who taught you that I can't use it? You'd have to correct right if I wrote it for you? Sat stuff right, you have to correct it for me because I can't use it for any of my scouting reports because it's about punch and hips and good free hips out of you and You don't use undulation to talk about anybody unless

his game has some undulation to it. Right down, you just say ups and dollars, right, you have you have to work that word in your next scouting report down. We have to all right, well, we got to scout report on when they trade for Earle and you bring in his career has not had undulation. It's been pretty steady, right, would would you rather like would you rather scampering police out here? Though? Yeah? That wasn't Nick said that. I did.

Don't feel bad. It's already gone down the pike one time, right, Yeah, I'd rather give Kenny macaro four million dollars down the middle for the twenty eighteen season than give away a fature draft pick so much. I don't even Okay, we just gave four million dollars to a guide in line substitute trade Boston or Eric Reid. I don't care. Just give me an experienced arting safety who can come in here and cover Austin dude like to piss everyone off. I don't picked off about six passes. He I don't

know what any of these safeties did. I mean, other than you know, people who know stuff tell me that the position is not as valuable as it used to be. You don't make a difference. You don't need the banger safety, the banger safety the guy that it's the hitter because of the rules. That's fair. But like they can cover two, they can cover better. Safeties can cover. They can cover better than nobody. J Wilcox, They can cover better than nobody,

Which is what you got right now. He sucking win through his teeth when I said that, literally don't have enough safeties to field a fifty three man Rods. I like, I like JJ, and JJ was good in a package of plays for twenty thirty snaps a game when he was your starting free safety. That didn't work out right, right, and they you know so? And maybe that's the case with the Xavier Woods. We'll find out is he better with a certain amount of place well or can he

play sixty snaps? Haven't these safeties? Haven't these safeties been better when they've played in kind of like a free man platoon over the last where they rotating where they all played thirty plays a game, they're better than when they play. Yeah, cave On earned that by the end of the season last year. I just I don't know. She's been on this and you know what, and we've all kind of like got out on the break. Me

and Amber have been harped on this since February. Oh you know, I think it's ridiculous when people start tweeting at us yea at the break or on me and talking about this whole safety situation and then decide to tag the players themselves, start tagging Xavier Woods. I'm calm down, Like, if you have eyes, you can see what's going on. So now I don't know how you justify things. Good point.

I will say this. When they drafted Vanderesh, Yeah, Jerry said he's the type of guy and maybe he's not going to be this right off the bat, but he's a type of guy that can help all three levels of your defense where you don't necessarily have to have a big, sloppy nose tackle to eat up space. Maybe you can help the back end of your defense. And you know, if they sign a guy like Terroll McClain, who scheduled to come in this week, yeah that helps

you too. So all right, the better you're overall, the better your overall defense is. Maybe you don't have to go get a superstar safety. All right, let me ask you that Rob just brought the point. Roll McClain, you gotta welcome him back playing defensive tackle. Yeah, because what happened when Collins Lee Collins, When Malie Collins was playing next to Tarroll McClain, I think he was playing some

of his best football. Now, last year injury was a problem, But I tell you, I thought he was playing some of his best football. But here you're fighting a couple of teams. Now you're fighting the Dolphins. You're fighting though maybe maybe it's home. Yeah, let's see. Yeah, he loves I mean, he loves the those guys on that defensive line. And he had the best season of his career. Yes he did. All right, Well, see, Taylor Stern has picked up the headset. In the morning, we're gonna see if

we can get Lyle Collins over here. All right, table is picked up, she's got the wireless mike, the at and t wireless mike, and she's gonna walk down to the tea and see if she gets Lyle on the mic. I'm just talking to him about LSU. I don't care about the boys. He can't hear you only yeah, maybe you cant with fire him some questions, but it's good. We gonna see if we get Le Collins again. He's what should I ask him as I'm walking up here,

is ask him? Of course, you gotta talk about the golf game and talk about how great Lsu is and ask him about ask him if we can get get on a fishing trip with him. Saw that on a fish and yeah, he's probably a lot better he He probably wants to wet a line in one of these serious ponds out here instead of this dude told me he fishes every day. Yeah, like I mean, I wish I could do the same with him. I wish I need to take him out. I need to take him out there with me out in East Texas? What was

they fishing for? Catfish? Catfish or nothing? Yeah? Ticking me up for that cat Did neat catfish? Did he say cats? I love cat said catfish? Or nasty their bottom fiers? Yeah, but there you cook him up right? Catfish are around a poor boy day. Come on over. Okay, we got Lyle, We got right, Tay. It's all you, Taylor, Lyole Collins. Everybody knows best golfer on the team. How have you been hitting them? Today. I appreciate that compliment, but uh,

you know, LC has been it's been an uphill battle. Um, you know, but we're just gonna take it one swing at a time. Yeah. I mean, you know, you're wearing the pink shirt, which says you're confident in your game. You're calling yourself a third person. What are the predictions of today? Look good? Feel good? You know, not playing as good, but predictions. I think my team we're gonna finish strong. We're gonna knock these next couple holes out,

and you know it's gonna keep fighting to the end. Okay, so about three less than three months until we're at training camp, you're ready to be back to the grind. I can't wait. That's what I do, That's what I love to do. I can't wait to get back to it. So I'm excited. It's gonna be a great year. Tay. Could you ask him about it if he's excited now that here they draft a tackle or draft a guard and now he gets to play the tackle. Okay, so you know, Connor Williams coming in here, Texas boy, you're

the Louisiana state guy. Now you get to officially play tackle. You pumped about that. Oh, you know, I'm excited. You know, I feel like I played against the best guys in the league last year, so you know, it's only a step of stone for this next year. And uh, you know, Scott's the limit. This sky is the limit. So what are the things you got going on that this offseason? Are you gonna be an offseason award winner? All right?

You know that's what That's what everybody's striving for. And uh, you know we got a great group of guys that uh that's up there too, So you know, I gotta gotta meet the standard, gotta come hard. So and that's what we've been doing, been working. So we'll see how it all stakes up. Can we go fishing with him sometimes? Yeah? Well, I'm ready to see you replace Witten in the middle of the huddle. You know, Witting now gone. I think it should be you. What do you think? I like that?

I like that. You know, the standard is hut here, so you know we're only gonna keep raising the bar. Absolutely, the bar is high. All right. So when we're not golfing, can you and I go on a fishing trip one time? Because I've you know, I've seen the pictures. I know about this, and we won't bring Dave Helmet. Make sure Dave Helmet is not there. Only done. Anybody want to go fishing? Oh I get we have to do it another time. But anybody else I want to go? We

could go hit up your boy LC at LC's fishing. Baby, let's go get it. Is that a real thing? All right? We'll let you get back to your your stunnerd group here. All right, guys, Well Taylor, that was so much job, so thorowerful. No, Dave, you know he said he wanted a private lsu one. Oh yeah, all right, yeah, I don't do that. We'll take a great job on the

interview there. That's the way to the standard is high, as he say, standard is high though, and maybe not for the golf game, but standard high for him at the right tackles. I bet I bet he loved that. Connor Williams pick, Yeah, bet he loved it. He should. I got, I got enough fight about him yesterday, Like I just I mean, I think this guy is the limit for him, and I think he got better and better as last season went on. Yeah, I mean the first first four or five weeks of the season was

the learning process. I thought he was damn good down from October onward, especially when you consider he was fighting a back injury most of the time. It's actually, yeah, he got better. And he actually told us he trusted his technique more and was more sound that way when he wasn't when he was hurt, which is kind of odd, but hey, whatever works for you, right, And he said it too. The guys that he went against last year. Yeah, oh no, oh my gosh. I'll tell you what that

Khalil mac matchup was. I mean, it got he got to the point they kicked Mack to the other side. If you remember, late in the game, Byron Bill had to go in for Tyron Smith and they said, we're gonna rush him on the other side, just to get away from wild Collins, giving him a chance to have a whole offseason at the same position, work with the same people in the same spot. I like, I think

the sky's the limit. I think he's gonna be great over there, which and I'll readily admit, you know, like I always say, like, I try to offer my opinion and analysis as often as possible, but I'm trying to tell people listening to us what the front office thinks, and for so long the front office was convinced that he needed to play a guard, They just they changed

their minds. And it looks like a hell of a smart call at this point, because I think he could be even better at a more important position and a tackle than he was a guard. Okay, we're gonna take a little bit of a break here. When we come back, we're gonna get into some more talk. Hopefully we'll have some more players come through. It's nice to talk to a while Collins Byron Jones, and so hopefully we'll have some more information. So stay tuned, we'll be right back.

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com to book your travel package today. If this is the Talking Cowboys Bank, streaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot com and the official Dallas Cowboys Out, We're back here at the Cowboys sponsor Golf outing, joined by special guest Zack Martin. I'll tell you what I saw your notre dame bag. Now, Jaylen Smith has got a huge leper con head for his driver. Wouldn't I didn't see any

Uh didn't see leper cons on that pack? What's no, no, we got we got the whole bags the Irish back so we gotta get jail one of those and it would get myself a head cover. Does it mean that you're really a good player if you've got a lot of stuff on their back? Yeah, the more stuff the better. I like to get a lot of towels. I leave all my tags from like, oh, man, you've played there, you played there? I've played there. But uh, now, how you guys playing today? Uh? As a group, we're good.

We got a couple of ringers. I think we're Uh. I think we were four or five under on the front on the nine, first nine. So so what group you're playing with today? I'm with Albertson. There you go. Yeah, all right, and good for them. Yeah, we got some good players. So that's what you gonna do. String some birdies together. There you go. We talked about guys and when they joined the Cowboys, you kind of pick up golf. Is this something you've done for a while growing up?

Or no? Actually I started playing maybe like later into college and then um, in the off season down here. We come out here to this course and play not as much this year, but in years past, you know, maybe get out here once a week or so. Um, but they take care of us out here. Is this day more fun? When you know what you're doing, like in terms of like I I don't I can't play golf to save Yeah, no I'm not good. But like like, let's say, compared to like a Tyrant Smith, Yeah, I'm

having probably more fun. Yeah. Actually we were literally just talking to your to your buddy LC on your right side. Based on what they did in the draft, it sounds like he's gonna be there again this year. For you, I mean for him obviously, but for you too. What does that mean just to have that continuity? Yeah, it's huge. You know, I know Elc loved playing out there, you know he did. I thought he did an awesome job for first time playing out there at tackle in the NFL.

And you know, it's nice going into a season no one who you're gonna play, play with, no one that you're gonna get a second year or another year with a guy and continue to grow as linemates. So I'm really excited for him to be out there. What about from you guys? From a I'm not guessing that you have breakdowns of University of Texas tape on Connor Williams. You didn't necessarily didn't follow him, but when you see the Cowboys invest a second round pick in the offensive line.

Does that excite you guys? MS? Definitely. And I don't know much about him, but it sounds like he's, you know, good player, really eager to come in and work. So you know, that's what our group's all about, is working, and I'm sure he'll fit in just fine. All right, I'll ask are we getting close? I was waiting. I was like, are we talking about gold? I mean? This is this? Yeah? Working on it for a while, is that? I mean? Obviously, football season is one thing you got

stuff to worry about. It on a day by day basis more relaxed atmosphere of the offseason. Do you check in on how that's going more often? Are you just kind of wait and see a little bit. It's been better after we started started up, just having everyone back and kind of getting into a routine. You don't think about it as much. So, um, the last few weeks have been way easier for me than the early off

season when you really have nothing to do. So right, Yeah, I was gonna ask you about about Jason Witten moving on here? Just your thoughts about a guy you know you came in. Everybody seems to look up to him in the locker room though, just your thoughts on on

on seeing him a head to the broadcast. But now, yeah, you know it's um, you know, it's it's been weird already not having him in there because he's been such a staple obviously, and um, you know, unfortunately I got to play with him for four years, but I feel lucky to be able to play with him for war years and learned from him. And um, I mean, you guys know him. He's gonna be missed more than anyone. But you know some of us are gonna have to step up and kind of take that leadership role. And

I know we're ready for by leadership. Is it? Is it vocal or is it just by example? Because you guys, I'm by with the line. You guys kind of set the stand, right. I think Whintin was the best example of that. You know, he you couldn't ask for a better leader by example, but when something needed to be said, he stepped up and said it. So, um, you know, I think we just keep doing what we're doing and

show that example. But maybe at different times when we had to step up and say something, well exactly there you gotta go play some golf. Thank you so much. We really appreciate your time. And uh yeah, that's an all pro guard. Zack Martin spend a little time with this sake, nothing but nothing at all. Yeah, Nick, Nick tried to get it out of here. We're we're on, but a bunch of pansies with with the softballs came in with the fastball about five questions. The implier just

went right in there. He did not There was no implying is it done close? It's it's it is. It's funny because I mean, you know, I think y'all would probably agree that we've been waiting for that news for more than we were kind of hoping we had a scoop right there. Well, yeah, it would have been nice. Zach Martin is way too smart to give us something like that. But I don't know, y'all. I regardless of if he did, we would be out here every year.

This is laptop you know what in the afternoon, Why don't I'll just stay out in the afternoon, you know, talk about doing a draft show for eighteen hours. We'd be here from seven to seven. That's exactly what we'd be doing. It's funny because as much as longer as it's gone on than I thought it would, I still have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that is. They need to do the right deal for him, though, Yeah this guy is he there's some guards in this in

this league though that he is clearly better wash. Who's the guy in Jacksonville that got the deal? Well, yeah, that kind of resets the market. I would imagine, maybe made one pro bowl up and do this before he before another guy comes in and make it all his money. Go look at freaking go look at the books now with Dez and witting off of it like they got the space to do whatever the hell they want. So that's I'm not sweating it. Whether it's tomorrow, July August

or next February. You guys got that story already written in your mind or you've already got it on on a I think I probably wrote some grass on it last summer thinking it might get done, you know, because we've seen we've seen those deals get done a year early. On the offensive line, we saw Tyran, Travis anybody else get done early. You've got you know, Tacos extension, I got that, yeah, get But I think he wants to be here. They want him that you can sit here.

You can point to like d Law or David Irving and be like, well, the two sides probably don't agree. Like this could last until maybe the franchise tags can get involved. I don't think that is an issue with Zach Martin. I think it's just a matter. It's gonna be a it's gonna be a pretty extensive deal. No, it will. But I mean, but do you have any doubt that it gets done whatsoever? No? I don't. Yeah, why do Why are you gonna come say hi? Yeah?

I thought you already came through here. He's always play Oh yes, okay, what's up? Tyron Crawford. Finally I'm able to say your name kind of Tyrone? Tyrone? You see a name? Is that a tough one? Yeah? You always talk about high pronounce his name? You pronounce it Tyrone? Which is that's the other game. It's the guy across from him. Well, you guys can go ahead and give him welcome, although he's already sweating. Yeah, that's hot out.

How's it going out there? Well? For me, um, you're not the best, But for my team, we're doing pretty good. So who are you playing with? Today. Who Who's who they? Who's who's yours? I'll tell you what. There you go, Yeah you got it down. Yeah, those guys so a lot and they play a lot of golf, so that that always helps. Bro. You know, Um, it doesn't show. It does definitely doesn't show. But you know, I know,

I know they're they're backed by a good brand. Yeah, so you know, I'm just gonna go with that for now. But umall you had a breath. I mean, do they not let you write the card? Well, they had me pushing it earlier. Weight so they're like, hey, I heard about we were asking the hot dog. You're like, oh, you know, eating apples and stuff like he's giving me this unrealistic waight, um, which I'm gonna You're gonna play safety there, you're the strong safety. Um you know, I don't.

I couldn't. I could do it. I mean they probably they might. They might say, hey, Teren, you're playing safety this year and h like I've done everything else. Yeah that would be fun for the course for you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's how it goes, man, That's the way she goes. That's what we say in Canada. Yeah, does it feel

weird being the old head on this team. Now, yeah, it was definitely weird, but I mean it's it's kind of cool in a sense too, you know, just because I guess there's respect with h so you know, you get that little bit of respect and around around the locker room, and so that's cool. We just asked Zach. He just came by and he said, it's already weird without Jason here? Is it workouts? Is it just like where is he looking around? Yeah? Yeah, it's like who do you go to? You know? But I guess that's

my people are probably coming to you man. Yeah. Yeah, So now you know, like we're me Zach and you know Sean Lee, you know the guy Travis. Are the guys that you know, guys are coming up to for the questions that we used to ask with and I guess we can answer them. But it was it's a little different. So do they bring you in d law into the war room when they're picking these boys, you guys,

or like what's the deal there? No? I think they just know, you know, what type of guys they are, you know, and uh, you know what they're gonna bring to the table and how they're gonna practice and how they're gonna be, you know, as far as being accountable. So in pros you, I mean you've got You're a guy with a lot of school pride. I'm like, you know, when you go on the road on Saturdays, you're probably watching Boise, you know, in the hotel or whatever. So

I mean you're pretty familiar with vander esh Or No. Yeah, I mean I've watched him play. Um, I don't like I'm not. I I met him for the first time right before the draft. Oh yeah, yeah, and I actually told him. I was like, yeah, I hope we get you man. Funny how that works out. You know. Well, listen, we know you got to go play golf. So thank you so much for guy right here. That's some talent right there. Now that's a trick. Guys got a driver on the end of his nose. Well done, that's good.

Thank you, Thank you very much for stopping. Always appreciate it. And best look out there today. I remember, all right, get a hot dog, apple or something. I'll tell you what to out of breath. I think he had to push the car just a bunch of hands, I mean, walking the course the hell of a way to it's getting hot out there. Yeah, very happy. Yeah, right here, struggling in the shade hours. You know, I was much.

I was told over there as I was getting my cider, I was told that, uh, that tent is actually for us, but we haven't. We didn't put that one out. We have a tent, but you know the tree covers is We're good, good, I'm fine, We're good, We're good here, We're good. Here? Are you good? With the sun just bearing down on the side of your left side of your face? Not really, but you know what I'm about about five seconds is gonna be over here? Yeah? Yeah, did you kind of detect though? He's just hey, keep

moving me around bit. You know, he's got done with them his whole career. Kid play tackle like looking like that, not looking like that. They're gonna try there, they're slimming him down. He's gonna be an end. Did he say what he was? And I saw David Irving and he's

a tackle. Yeah, yeah, he should be an end. And I know I know that they signed him to that deal to play three technique and then they kicked up I think, I mean, he started off as a left end and now he's and then yeah, and he and he's he's so he's hit all the spot He's played every spot on that line. I mean he has, but I know he's not. He's out the fifteen sack DeMarcus Lawrence guy. But I thought he had a pretty solid

season last year. I don't is is he one of those players that the fans really misevaluate, have a hard time with. I can't say know how much money that he makes. I'm not gonna say. I'm not gonna say they misseevaluate him. It's purely just price tag. If he was making three million a year, people would love him because he would be an unsung do everything captain guy. But it's like it's he's just Brandon Carr. He's just branding. Well any solid player who is paid to be an

all press And he has played through some stuff. Man, he's had some shot injuries. He's played through it and and he's a guy. You know, when they moved him to the right end, I felt like the run defense those first couple of games, like Denver, Yeah, struggling big time. When they moved him over, I think something kind of changed that. Yeah, team teams were teams were kind of

like taking the ball to that out of me. Yeah, because you look at what was going on, you know, they just didn't have the power on that that right side to kind of hold things up. He had four and a half sacks, He's good against the run, he's a team captain, I mean, and honestly, I made this argument a couple of months ago. Yes, by the strict letter of the word, he's overpaid, but with all the new deals that have come since he signed that deal, it's I mean, he's not even in the top like

twelve highest paid defensive lineman in the league. He's it's a very average and they and they did that deal at the time so he doesn't hit the market and gets god knows how much. You know, what was gonna happen to d Laws that gets free at some point. What do you think about the you know, that the defensive line some young guys, you know, I mean, we always were trying to figure out what with Tapper, what's

going to happen with him? Well, and then you know Randy Gregory as well, you know as well, I mean, you know he's talking about reinstatements of hearing. Well, I think there's so much unknown on this defensive line, right Now let me ask you, each one of you, if Randy Gregory gets reinstated, I mean, is that something you're excited for? Oh yeah, yeah, him to play around? Like you said, you gave it, you gave it the hell, yeah, go for it. The question what was the question you're

excited about him playing? I mean because people keep asking why if he's reinstated, I don't think you ever will play another snap for the Cowboy. Let me ask why don't you have to lose nothing? But I'm just saying I'm not excited. I'm not gonna get excited. I think you have tox and elite talent to this defensive. I think you have to operate under the premise that he's not going to help you. But it's you. It's it's icing on the cake. If he comes in and can

give you a few snaps again next year. You know how he not played foot a long time, a long time. How do you feel about that? Like like, like Dave said, I wouldn't have the high expectations for it, but but he's such a natural athlete that less expectations of him or Tapper. If if Randy Gregory's on this team and and keeping himself in line, and yeah, and not being played that one game. He wasn't bad. Use really did

play one game. So let's put it this way, Randy Gregory screwed up the development of their defensive line with everything that happened to him. But they've they've recorrected the problem. They've recorrected DeMarcus Lawrence has blossomed into what they wanted him to be. Tyrone Crawford is a solid starter, Malie Collins is a solid starter, and David Irving is like another Randy Gregory, except he's actually producing. Like you've got

a good foundation there. You've brought in coney Eally, You've got Charles Tapper trying to be healthy. Uh, you're hoping Taco can develop in year. Tod Ward where you playing him? Scott Reports going up today on say they've they've they've made decisions to replace him. Basically if he comes in, if he comes in and can earn a spot, great, but they're not counting on him at this point. Really, not two years ago, he was messing with everything you were trying to do on your pass rush. Now he's

just the ninth or tenth guy. And if he can come in and play well enough to make the team give bring it on because he's got elite talent. That was I know why you're asking that. It's a great question because there I mean dark questions. Can he come in and be a pro and stay on this football team and stay active. I mean there's legitimate questions about that. Obviously he was a good football who said he wasn't

getting on he was a good football player. Okay, so you're you're you know, you know, you're you take the approach that Nick ass. Here's my question to you guys. When is the last time? When is the last time a pass rusher in the NFL sat out for two years and came back and was what he was before. That's only one year, Dwight Dwight Freeney maybe, I don't know, two years. It was one year he came spent a year and a half. He played. Since he played, he played like a couple of Yeah, like he didn't play

very much. He didn't play very much. And my point is like, you don't know what is what his ability is at this point, he's been out of football for a while. I just would like to I'd be happy to find out why he wants to come in, and why see, if he can earn a spot, why did this team take a chance on Demantre Moore's good point? Is it not? They were a star for pass rushing, and your point was that they got some Now, Greg Hardy sat out a year, right, a year? Yes, he

sat out a complete year? Yeah? Right? Was Randy ever as good as as as Greg Hardy was at that point after before he sat out? No, No, he's got one, he's got one career second though, No, yeah, I'm not Yeah, I'm not worth The issues are yeah, the issues are the issues. I'm just saying, if he sat out for that much time and he already had never developed at the point when he went out to being just a great pass rusher, then what makes you think he's gonna

come back and all of a sudden be great? Wow? Yeah, Nick's ready for Chatti mcgleton over here, get on the show or don't. Yeah. Yeah, So you're gonna say now that you're passionate. The point is, and it's I wish the best for him, I guess the point is going back to what Amber said, I'm not excited for it because I don't I don't expect much, right, Now let's if you you bring him in, you see what happens.

But I think your point, Dave, when you were reigning naming off all those guys, I don't even think he makes this team right now. To be honest with you, I think it'd be hard for him to make this team that Well, that goes back to my point, Derek, what do you have to lose? You're right, you're right. What do you have to gain? Yes, you're right about that. You have a guy with top ten talent to game. You have absolutely nothing to lose, right, you're right about that.

What I'm saying is her point was are you excited? That's what I'm saying. I'm not excited because I don't expect anything. You see what happens, right, I mean, you're taking a flyer. I'm intrigued. Okay, that's fine. There's nothing to lose anymore. Two years ago, if he gets suspended, you don't have a right end. Now if he gets suspended, you're like about expectations, right, you know you have. My expectations are very low, and Dave is like, Dave's taking

the scouting approaches. Hey, what what do we gotta We brought in Ryan leaf at the end of that whole thing. Look at what these guys have done to get pass rushers. They've taken chances on I mentioned greg Hardy. They paid, but they're a better position now than they were when they take those chances. They are, but you can never have enough, You're right, and Stephen Jones told us that

the combine. Look, they have no expectation, like you just said for Gregory, Like they're operating like he's not coming back because they have to. But he's twenty five years old. It's not like he'd be coming back and he's thirty three thirty four is big on the downside of his career. But you do have to develop him though, right, I mean that's the point. He wasn't completely developed where he

left and he's been out of football. So if he's gonna come back, you really are investing a couple of years and getting him to the point where you think he can really play for you. Some figure out what is his priority. It's priority football? Are you done with all of everything else? Yeah, that's fair. I'm taking a chance on the guy, like Amber says, a guy it's trying to hurt his life around. Well, I think that I think there is. I think that to me is

the you know, he's got to prove things. He's got to prove it to himself, he's got to prove it to the team. I'm gonna take a chance on a guy like that. I don't think there's going to be a relapse if he don't either, I don't know about that. But he's he sees how important football is and too, and we'll see if he can get to the point where he's reinstated by the league and then gets through a training camp successfully with no mishaps. Yeah, then that

says a lot to me about what he's prioritizing. So I mean, you live and learn, and I do. I give him the benefit of the doubt that if he's if he's trying to do the right things, I want to see him do the right things. And I'm talking more just from a football perspective. My expectations are low. Yeah, yeah, people can't have him. You can't have him at this, I guess. And but the thing about it is how many more chances is he gonna get? You know, if he comes back, and if he is reinstated, this is

probably it for him. So hey, you take one more chance, but it doesn't work out. You've already put contingencies in place on this roster, Coney Eely, He's a contingency on this roster. Well, wet, I gotta see. Got a special guest coming. Uh, gonna sit down in our little interview chair here, I think behind me here there he's got He's got the victory cigar. He lit us is the back nine? Yeah, how well? How is it? How's it going? How's the how's it been on the front nine then

to the turn? Yeah, I'm opening this back nine is much better than me. Uh, it's going. It's going well. I'm hitting the ball every time, So we're making progress. You know, are you having to chase it a lot? Or is it? Is it kind of standing where you're hitting it. We'll have a good caddy. I just play it that way. They're they're worth their weight in gold to you. Yeah, I'm having to chase it that much, but I'm hitting in the fairway for the most part.

We've been asking everybody. I mean, and I mean you're a guy that you kind of picked up golf after you got here, about how how has that relationship grown over the last couple of years? No, it's definitely grown. I'm kind of falling in love with the game. All it takes you. You hit one good shot and you get addicted. I've hit a couple of good shots today, played a little bit yesterday trying to warm up for today. So, uh, I'm getting better. I'm definitely improving. I need quit being

stubbing to just take lessons. You know, Yeah, you haven't take it. You haven't taken lessons, No, I haven't. As I mean also said, I I hit a good ball and I feel like I can figure it out myself. And so when you're a good enough athlete that you play in the NFL, I feel like stuff just kind of comes naturally to you. Right, Yeah, that's what I like to think anyways. And when you know, when you take lessons or you hear something from some person, they

tell you something different from the last person. So I'm like, I'm not taking lessons for somebody to change everything up. But who knows, maybe one of these days going for fishing. Fishing much better? Yeah, yeah, the fishing figure it out that yeah, much better that all right? So you told us a couple of weeks ago you talked to something for Albertson's at the facility. You said, you're down like five ten pounds, but you're gonna go back up for

training camp. Dude, Like, I think you're under selling it, Like you look lean as hell. Man. Yeah, so I mean I'm down five or ten, but then you know, I just put it back on. I've already put something back on the right way. So I mean I played a problem around two thirty eight to two forty last year and I'm two thirty right now. So I mean I just but I was down to two twenty five or less at one point, but I've already put something back on and just put it on the right way.

So what is that? I mean we talk about that all the time with Lineman. What does that do for you? Yeah, I mean it does everything. I'm I mean, I'm faster, I'm stronger, weight room, all my numbers went up, throwing the ball better. Um, it's just allows you to be your best athlete. You can be. The simple simple fact of that of just losing losing the baby fat or just losing the fact that really you know what i mean,

doesn't matter. So it's just about now building it back up, building it all and hustle, making sure I'm leaning more flexible, being the best athlete I can. So all right, we I mean, we know who's not here anymore. But coming out of the draft, how pumped are you about what the Cowboys have done to make your job easier? Between Connor, bringing in some new receivers, just everything that you're gonna

have to work with. Yeah, I mean I was excited with the draft from the first pick to the last pick, and then on the free agency or undrafted free agents as they did. So, I mean, I'm I believe in this this organization. Obviously they picked me in so I mean I believe in the way they handle the draft, and I think every pick they made was the right pig.

There was the right time, and Jerry and those guys have said it a couple of guys that we had failed to us and we couldn't be more excited, as you said, picking up Connor, picking up a tight end there late, getting another receiver, getting two receivers in the draft, and not only that, building on the defensive side. I mean, that's what you gotta do to win championships, building that defensive side of the wall. And I think we're doing

that We've asked everybody this too. Is it if you looked around looking for Jason Witten during these offseason workouts or so far last, you know when you pull into that that parking lot in that first that first parking spots open kind of says that that you don't have to go into facility and look, you kind of feel it at times, but that's just more important for me, Zeke, Sean all these other guys to step up and be more be better leaders, and be more vocal and do

the things that we have to do to make sure this this organization, this team's had in the right way. Simple as Jason did. Well, we know you gotta get out and play golf. I want to let you talk about a little bit, tell everybody out there about your cause with your your T shirts and stuff like that, and just how people go about and grabbing the T shirts that's on your on your site on that four dot com. Yeah, you can go to my Instagram. It's in the biodagfo dot com. And it's just the simple

of the mom shirt reaching out for Mother's Day. It's mind over matters, something my mom taught me. And all the proceeds everything one hundred percent goes straight to straight to my foundation, which then goes to the Stand Up for Cancer to help fight this disease, the Nazial disease that we all have somebody to know, somebody that's dealt with or is dealing with it. So I'm just doing everything I can to allow my mom to be my story and to reach out and help others out there

that need it. Thanks a lot, man, good luck out there playing golf. Appreciate Scott, Thank you very much. The right you never know, you just kind of go around the corner here, you know, we're at the right table. We figured this thing out. Anyway. Dak has this really great habit with the with the whistling like he does, like you can hear him from one hundred yards away, so it's I mean, you heard him back there. I heard him back on the last while. It's like the

bat signal. So yeah, well we're kind of we're just uh, we're like I say, we're here at the the Cowboys, uh, Dallas Cowboys sponsored golf outing. Marek Eagleton was making some passionate points about expectations for defensive ends. But we then we transition into Dak Prescott it really important year, Derek for him going forward now, I think that, you know, the first year expectations, we talked about, wow, when thirteen

games turned around a little bit of rough patch. You know, throughout the season, I thought a lot was put on him. Maybe the team overall didn't play as well, but talk about what you feel like going into now into season three. You know, honestly, I think a lot was made of things that are that were temporary. In my opinion, I think the rough patches and it kind of came a lot.

I think full circle. As I was watching All or Nothing, I think we're about to have coach on here in just a second here, but we'll finish that point afterwards. But I think there were some things that happened at all and nothing that suggested to me that maybe that was a lot to do about nothing when it comes to okay, okay, we'll keep going. But no, I think I think it's it was a lot to do about nothing.

I think that when they hit the rough patch, I think there were other things that happened that pushed them into that rough patch, particularly him, and things had happened with that offensive line that I think we're more about how he is played than anyway, Derek, sorry to cut you off, but we have a very important guest right here, Jason Garrick. Do you mind taking a quick seat. We're gonna talk about today's event, absolutely, so I'll let you

guys drive the question. All right, Hey, coach, how's it going? How are we doing? Guys? Good? Right? Good? The you know, you you've been on the side of it where you know, uh, the professional side with doing a player and then having to do with sponsors and stuff. What's it like now? Was being the head coach and doing with sponsors such such a part of our game now, uh, with with

what they do, what they bring into helping the team. Yeah, I just think it's it's a great event, and it's a it's a big part of the culture that we have with the Cowboys and in the NFL. And uh, you know, my memories of being involved in events like this when I was playing, we just had some great times and a really nice camaraderie with your teammates. But you get the opportunity to meet a lot of influential people and all these different businesses, and you know, you

know as well as I do. You get a chance to play around to golf for five hours with people here don't know in another field, you have a couple of choices. You can kind of be to yourself or you can develop relationships. And my experience has been it's it's it's a really positive environment to get to know different people and learn from different people and just have a great day. And that really hasn't changed. As a coach, I typically come out here and take more pictures than

I do swing the club. But it's a great event nonetheless. And you guys pick the perfect spot right here by the by the sausage shack, because I'll tell you what there are. There's some some friendships you talk about through the years that you still keep people you've played with and stuff as you've kind of gone on and they're like, oh yeah, I mean, yeah, I remember playing golf, but yes,

thank you. You know what's interesting about the Cowboys is that they have relationships with so many of these companies and they're they're they're almost lifetime relationships. You see some of the same people down on the field before the game, stuff like that, at the same events at training camp

before the game, and you know, it's really fun. It's fun to develop these relationships and get to know these guys and and for me to learn from them, it's it's it's great to talk about what they do and why they're successful and how that might apply to what we do. So it's a really positive event for so many different reasons beyond just having the Hallapeena sausage sandwich. Coach. You said it a long time ago that you work healthy hours at the ranch and the start and all that.

You guys work a lot long hours. But you're also a quarterback. So quarterbacks tend to play golf really well. How do you balance that? You don't get to play a lot? But that's that's one of the things with me. You know, typically when you're playing and you're a quarterback and you get thrown in with a foursome at an event like this, there's this expectation that a quarterbacks can play and the worst thing you can do is hit a good shot early, because all of a sudden they think, yeah,

you validated it. You realize that golf for you is like golf for a lot of people. Over the course of eighteen holes, you find out who you really are and uh again, So we try to come out here and have good camaraderie and try your best and develop a little team chemistry and have a great day. I'm Dave asked the Witton question. I was gonna ask him what I was gonna ask him about his baseball swing, because we're gonna that's this thing right there. Yeah, a

little little home run derby. Thank God for the snow fence. Just a doubles gap guy, just the whole time. Just yeah, I never had power. You know. One of the amazing things about about that event, we've done it for a few years now is you know, so many of our guys haven't played baseball, but but you see them over the course of the day almost reteach themselves a swing they learned when they were ten, eleven, twelve years old, and they get better right before your eyes. And there's

some great examples of that. So it's always a fun events. That event is also for a great cause with reliance, so it's fun to be a part of that. You know, we've talked to a few guys already and they we've all asked them about Jason and they've Tyrone Crawford Byron Jones of course, Dak. It's kind of standing. We all have to pitch in and step up and be a leader. I would think as a coach, that's exactly kind of what you want them to do. It's hard to replace him.

You can't replace him, but everybody has to pitch in. Yeah, And I think the biggest thing is just the appreciation we have for him and the standard he's set. And you know, he's been such a big part of establishing the culture we've had on our football team. You know, what we want as coaches, he embodies and he represents that. And I think he's had such a positive impact on

so many guys he's been around. I think they understand better how to do it, how to be a pro, and what this league is all about, and what we want our cowboy players to be all about. So there certainly is a void with him leaving, but it's also an opportunity for some other guy to step into it and step up, and I think guys are excited to

embrace that responsibility. Nobody appreciates the draft more than you And you know because your father worked with your dad and he had such patch and for that talk about that. It how the transition of when the team's never the same, it's always it but talk about a little bit about the players you've added, the type of guy you want, and how they all fit into your plan going forward. Yeah,

you know, it's the nature of the league. There's change every year the roster turns over, and more so now than ever, young players will have a big impact on your team. So the draft is important for this coming year. It's also important for subsequent years. When you draft well, typically you don't have to get into free agency very much because you have a team that you like and you're excited about the next group of guys kind of

stepping up into their roles. When you haven't drafted well, typically there's some holes on your team that you have to fill. So you know, we plays great value in drafting well and bringing in the kind of as we

want for our team. You know, it starts with what you want your team to be all about, what you want your individual players to be all about, and then you go look for those traits and you know, we want guys who certainly are talented and are capable of doing what we want them to do physically at their position, but we want guys who who want to be part of a team, who love playing football, to work at it and be part of the culture we're trying to establish,

and we're excited about the guys we drafted. We'll get a chance to see him this weekend for the first time and see if we see if we chose wisely but excited to get him in here. It looks like a couple of players fell to you, some really some quality player. You guys were very patient throughout, just some nicely. Connor Williams was probably a big surprise to where you grab him at fifty like that. He's looks like a special player. Yeah, and we got a chance to be

around Connor at Dallas Day. You know he's from Capelle as we know, and you know he made a great impression on us. Typically a guy who's going to get drafted as high as he was going to get drafted, if they come to one of these Dallas Days, one of these local workout days, you know, they come over to shake hands and say hi, but they typically don't

want to work out. And I'll tell you what. He came over and worked his tail off and made a great impression on us, beyond the very favorable impression we had off him up to that point. So when he was there. We just thought it was a great pick for our team. And that's perfect for this line because if you're not ready to work with these guys, they'll

leave you behind. Yeah, that's exactly right. And it starts with loving football, wanting to be great at football, and understanding what it takes to do that each and every day. And we have some great veteran leaders on our team, particularly on that offensive line and Tyring and Travis and Zach Martin. They really set the pace for everybody, and uh, you want guys who are willing to do that, and we think Collins got a chance to be one of

those guys real quick. I know you gotta go, Layton vander esh what do you what are you calling him? Because whatever you call him as what everyone else is gonna call him. Yeah, we'll probably start with fifty five. There's a lot of syllables there. Yeah, Lyle Collins was a hard one for me to get out of my mouth in a quick fashion. And so we rolled over

to ELC and that's the sticks. So he's still will say but you know, uh, nicknames or some of those things that you know when you see the guy, Uh, typically something hits you and Hopefully that thing will stick, so we'll find out the next days. We might call him Riggan's Idaho. Well, coach, thank you so much for taking time for us. We appreciate that. Always enjoyed being with you guys. Have a great day. Thank you coach. Coach Jason Garrett spending a little time with us today

here on our show. We always appreciate him coming by and then saying a few words, Uh, just you got it, I got it right, There'll be my guy. Yeah, don't sell yourself, sure, Brian, I don't know anybody that cares about the draft as much. Yeah. I was about to say, I thought his dad his dad really his dad was. I always say this one of the most passionate speeches I've ever heard about a player was Randy Moss and he was Jim Garrett was absolutely right about listened. Yeah. Next,

So we got that video somewhere. They've got that video somewhere where. But it's it's really is it. It's great. It's one of actual it's somewhere. It's somewhere on a video cassette and Valley Ranch, which is about it's a VHS tage. We got we got it, We got it. We got it secured, I got it scared. It's not

gonna be destroyed with the building. Well that's well, that's great because it brings chills to me when I watch it about scouts, and it's what's the good thing about with scouts discussing with coaches and things like that, and then Jerry Jones trying to make a decision on the player. And I mean again, you had a head coach and a receiver's coach battling two scouts that believed that the player could be a difference maker, and the scouts in

this case where right. Yeah, scouts didn't win, but they were right. Yeah, first ballots. No disrespect to Jerry Rice at all, but if I was drafting receivers all time and he'd be my first pick, he was just so dynamic. That was a thing like, yeah, you just you weren't going to cover him. So the Cowboys never beat him, Yeah, not one time beat him. But he's just torched him. But even when he was a role player the second time around in Minnesota, they couldn't beat him. They never

beat him. Yeah, that's a tough team though that Those Dinny Green teams are usually pretty good. I mean we had to battle those guys in Green Bay. That was never fun, you know, never fun about that. I was looking at the Hall of Fame class. Has there ever been a better class than this one? Well, it's it's a class. It's a class that we understand because we've seen him play. That's a good point, you know, and a lot of a lot of time the voters. But

it's Moss, Moss, ray Lewis. I mean you're talking about when you just say the best that I've ever played at middle linebacker, ray Lewis has got to be in the discussion the best wide receivers to ever play. Yes, Jerry Rice is right there. But if you're gonna say top five, I think Randy Moss Anti over there, I think who who else? Why does your voice get all high like that doesn't like to I'm just saying, I'm when I think top five wideously, I'm trying to think

of what other names I would throw out. I mean, we got all day. I mean, let's who who? Yeah Rice? I mean, yeah, who's third? If not him? He's got he's got the stats, Yeah he does. I mean it's just he was a scary player to play against. Yeah, I mean and maybe maybe I sound like and I don't want to sound like the old curmudgeon um job, the old curmudgeon writer. But I do think something has to be factored in that the teams he was on

like there were problems. There were always problems, and I think that harm their abilities to be able to get to the ultimate goal, which was a championship. I think that was a part of the problem. So as much as he added to a team, I think there was a part that he deducted from a team as well. That has to be factored in. I had a coach tell me he was the most divisive player he's ever been with Nick. Nick and I have talked about this when he was on this team. We talked about it.

He is one of those guys that kills leadership like he's not gonna step up and be the leader. But he's one of those guys that if there is a leader, he's the one. This role in his eyes and take a fraction of guys with him, some held in their

eyes at whoever is the way. Somebody told me one time early on, like his two thousand and seven six or seven, that Romo is having a hard time here because this guy jumps off sides and doesn't say anything or you know, but Creighton does it, Sam Hurd does it, and he can't say, hey, you know, he can't do anything about it because he's not doing anything about it to.

And that's what you're talking about with leadership. Tony needs to stop the drill, say you know what, get your ass on side, stay awake in the meetings and all this stuff. But when To doesn't do it, it's hard for that. And so that that was a problem, and you're right about that with the leadership. And I don't think it ever got this bad, but I think that was part of the discussion with eighty eight of what's happening here, because it's it's hard. He's a heart Huh,

Antonio Bryant. Not Antonio Bryant, does Bryant? So how dare you? Rob thought? That's what you're talking about. So he was a problem. It was a problem, so disrespected. Right, it's time to tag back in. We're gonna do that. What we got here, we have I don't know football players, Yeah, well who's this group? Then they got to be somebody lacking behind here. Yeah, but we're we have we've had we've had some great guests. Yeah it is, and it's uh, we're we figured out, like coach said, we're at the

perfect spot here where it's not by accident. I've already wanted it. I've already extended to the afternoon. We're gonna do three more hours this afternoon. I think it's really expading that idea. I think you're joking. You should have seen Kent's reaction to that. Yeah, I think, yeah, you're like, no, no, no,

Garrison again. But I had to guess there was I mean, Nick is the emplier, but there was some implication there when Garrett said that, he was like, oh, you picked a great spot here where you can bother all my players all day long. Yeah, well, we can watch him. He's he's like he's talking about he's got the dog. He's got the Hallopeener dog. He's so he's working on that. I think to tell him, to convince him to him,

I'm like, we won't ask any football questions. That's until we ask I picked up on that because she said it when you sat him down, guys, and then yeah, they just were like, screw that, We're going for it. Dave under the bus. But well they had to have it of doing that from time to time. I'm sorry, and Garrett's done this. That's you guys off camera. I'm like, don't please, don't ask football question. Tell him. I'm like, I was the same thing afterwards? Was good? Well we

didn't ask did we talk about a current player? Talked about the draft at the draft? I haven't signed yet? Yeah, exactly, Yes, aren't What if he had given us some all or nothing, Garrett? How cool would that have been? We should have asked him, just like you. I think he would like. I think he would have kind of he didn't really want to talk about I was going to ask him. I was like, you know, you've told the whole world about what why option is? Now? I mean, can you still run it?

I mean do you have any one that can run somebody that can run it? Yeah? Maybe not the question. Yeah, we'll have to figure that one out that we are out here. He does have a press conference or not a little media Yeah, yeah, that should be later on too, Right, we'll have to have that up on the site. Absolutely, we talked about stuff on the site too. Um, you're scouting report, I'll tavon Austin yesterday, right, Scouting report today on jahad Ward Ward. It's just gonna say Ward, Yeah,

I need to figure out where he's gonna play. Need to figure out where he's gonna play. Oh, you just go ahead and say it. You want to play him at end and you think they're gonna pay him atack. I think they're gonna play at tackle. But you want to play him a hundred ninety six pound guy. I'd slim him down myself. You know, if you're talking about Crawford slimming him down, maybe you could do some of the same for him. I don't really think this team

needs another end. Does he have pass rushability? He's got some pass rushability though at that size, though, I don't think he has the pass rushability. Let me ask this question, like how many At this point it seems like there's a lot of three techniques and not very many one tech? Right? Is that accurate? And it's so like, where's he gonna fit? I think that's why you want to try and get Terrell mcclin Terrell McClain back one. Yeah, it gives you another one, gives you a more dynamic one, like a

one who can do some pass for us. What about price? How do you guys feel about Price because before he got hurt last year, I thought he was playing pretty well. I think he's gonna make this team as the ninth d lineman, as your trash can full of dirt. Yeah, I mean you can't move analogy. Yea if you did

that up on the site. Ye, so you did. You did a fifty three man projection way too early fifty three, But talk about where was the difficult spots for you keeping extra tight, in keeping an extra receiver, you're gonna keep a third quarterback. I hesitate to call it a fifty three man projection where the team should be. I just I just I don't you know, I'm not trying to pick fifty three names out of a hat, because

it's that's impossible at this point. But I just kind of wanted to do a thought process on, you know, how they might think about it. Where they might want to go heavy, why they might want to go heavy, why they might want to go light, and honestly, uh, the biggest, the biggest question mark in the whole thing is the defensive line. Because you've got so many capable guys and you're not going to carry more than ten

and Honestly, I feel like that's unlikely. It's been eight or nine most of the last five years, and you just have so many guys. I mean, you got your obvious DeMarcus Lawrence Tyrone, Crawford, David Irving, Malie Collins. But then you throw in Coney Eally, maybe you throw in Terrell McLean, Richard Ashe and Brian Price are still kicking around, Charles Tapper's here, Tacos here h Randy Gregory might be

reinstated by the good competition. It's a good problem to have, but you still got to trim it down to nine people. And so that's their challenge that and that's that's kind of my point. I'm not here to tell you which nine you're gonna make it. We haven't watched a single practice, right when you look at the amount of bodies that are there, and to Derek's point, you got x amount of you got, you got a lot of threes, you got not a lot of ones. It's gonna be interesting

to see how they start it out. I think d line and receiver. And something interesting about that is almost every one of those guys ask position flex which still love So you don't even know necessarily where everybody's gonna line up. They may have a guy they start at camp at defensive end and he actually makes the team because he's at three sex And to be fair, that's I think. You know this team loves to go light on the offensive line, right, and that's because there's so

much position flex. I mean, you've got you got your five starters. You got a draft pick in Connor Williams who can play anywhere on the line. You got Chaz Green who can play guarden tackle. You got Joe Looney who can play guarden center. Can Marcus Martin play center? I would see Marcus Martin play center? Noah. So honestly, he's the only guy in the whole bunch that doesn't have a ton of flex. I think Jazz Green's gonna

make this team. I think I wouldn't bet against him just because he's got the flexibility to play a lot of spots. Honestly, they just need to keep him at tackle, don't they remain? Don't they Do you think they need to keep at tackle? That question? But yeah, but do you think they need to keep him at tackle? I mean, look like right you're ready to move on. I mean, when you guys used to term band aid. He wasn't

a great band aid last year. You know, like one of those band days that started kind of peeling off and you keep having to push it. Well, but here's the problem, it falls off. Yeah, there's another analogy. I like that one too. Yeah, but the problem is you've signed a guy to be your swing tackle. If everything is settles in its place, and you've got Connor Williams at guard, you keep lylea tackle. Cameron Fleming has started a game in the Super Bowl, I think that's that's

your natural swing tackle. So, okay, does he play guard? Will you signed Marcus Martin to back up at guard? You got Joe Looney who can back up both spots? I don't That's my point immediately, Like what his spot is right now on this team. I think he's got to fight for a spot. Obviously he's gonna have to fight for a spot. But I'm not counting him out because I think he could play. Could not saying he would do it great or whatever, but he has the

flexibility to play as many as four spots. And that's what you're looking at when you're talking about like the eighth or ninth guy on your line. But honestly, honestly, I don't know that they that they I know he can supposedly do it, I don't think there's confidence that he can do it well or well enough for them to feel good about throwing him in in a in a tough situation. All the guys that they've thrown at that offensive line this offseason tells you they don't feel comfortable.

But he can provide it. But so he's gonna have to, all things equal, it's working against him. He's gonna have to be appreciably better than those other guys that they've brought in in order for him to make the team. I'm just saying, when you've got your first seven spots figured out, and you've got one more spot to give on your offensive line, and one guy can do one job and one guy can do three. And I'm not saying that. I'm not saying Chaz Green is gonna make

this team. I'm just saying it would be as helps him. It would be a mistake to write him off in May. It would. But but to Derek's point out, written off in Atlanta. Sorry, yeah, seriously, seriously, they're talking about it. I mean, people are talking about it in effect. I mean, they drafted Connor Williams because of vietnams. Terry said, but but they have discussed hay should we have not tried him at guards y, so the talk about position flex Like I I don't think they want to go down

that road with him. I really don't. I think they'd rather just stick him out of a spot and hope that he succeeds there. Maybe it's tackle, you know, maybe that's the best spot. I think this is his last shot. He's gonna have to show a lot of training camp and he's gonna have to what I'm saying, he's gonna have to show so much more at training camp than the next closest guy for them to say, Okay, what

happened last year, we think he's beyond that, right. I think they're gonna have to see a lot in order for them to feel comfortable with that. And I just don't know if that's it is. It sucks because I mean, I feel bad. I'd feel really bad for the guy and the fact that he didn't necessarily get help from the coaches. You know, yes, he'd played bad, but at the same time, he didn't receive any help and that

it really affected him. So I'm curious to see how he's gonna take down mentally, because when you're surrounded by people that are expecting you or they think, oh you suck or whatever, and they all of us, you think, Okay, I need to show prove them wrong. That's a that's tough on you. And sometimes it works on your advantage, but sometimes it works against you. So I'm curious to see. I know I wish him well, but maybe I'm just

a last year He'll end up somewhere else. Last year, we were talking about Chaz as a guy who might start this year. I think you're talking if he makes the team. You're talking about him as a guy who doesn't dress on game day. So yeah, yeah, I let me ask you, we have changed the sub they drafted a quarterback. Yeah, you try to talk about this earlier. Oh,

we had this discussion it last yesterday. Yeah, if they tried to draft our quarterback, I's trying to cut Cooper ru I did not try to rob trying to not say that this is team need a better quarterback. Well me ask you this, Well, this goes back to it better quarterball. This goes back to what This is the point I was trying to make earlier, which is like,

why why does it matter what I think? If they've given us a blueprint for what they want, right and I hear what you're saying that they've they've said they're prepared to go with three quarterbacks. I'm just saying, if you come out of training camp like you did last year, and you got five dbs with hamstring injuries, and you got a bunch of problems injury wise, it is a luxury on your roster to go with three quarterbacks. And if you go there's gonna be three quarters, gonna go

with three. I just kind of wonder why one of them wouldn't be a more veteran guy. What's up? Man? Hanging out there? He is, I'm a seat there, Phil Tyren Smith. It's not that young anymore. Interview. We saw you. We saw you as we were coming out here. We saw how's the game been since we saw you about a couple hours ago? Has things improved for you? I should learn a little bit. Um. It's kind of lining up a little right in the only problem is is

always the problem short cloths. I have very short cloths right now. We talked about that with tall guys, that's stuff, right, But Zack Zach looked like he had his own. When we brought Zach through, he talked to us, He's got his own, like notre dame bag and all that stuff like that. It's like they it's like they're trying at the game, right, They're trying. They're trying to get better at it. Though, But if you go on as far as to take lessons, because Dad came by and told

us he's self taught, he doesn't. He doesn't want too many voices in his ear all that kind of stuff. I took a couple of lessons before, but uh, I's been completely going trying. I'm probably on the same thing as Dad right now, trying to still teach myself right now. Yeah, so, but I think it is I can't still teach myself. I don't have the right clubs. You're you're like, you're like you do this once a year kind of guy, right, or do you play a lot of times a year?

So why don't just get some clubs? Man? I know, Man, I say I'm gonna do it. Then I could kind of go back in my mind and kind of get busb with working is. I mean that makes sense. Priorities, I get it. Um, so we I mean we've been asking everybody else this as well. And I mean I made a joke about it a minute ago. All of a sudden, you're like the most veteran player on this offense. No, no, I mean it's true. Though I didn't say old. You said I tried to call him a young guys older

than me. By the way, it's true. Oh yeah, but I I mean that's that's gotta be kind kind of weird with you know, Winton des moving on. I mean, you've been It doesn't feel like you've been here that long, but you really kind of have. I mean, what's that like, that transition into veteran player. Um, well, for me, I'm not going to change anything I've been doing. I'm gonna keep the same mise i've been doing, um and um for me as a leader, and I I try to lead by example. I'm not, as you guys know, I'm

not a very vocal guy. We do appreciate your time is right now, like this is Tyren Smith. Not sit down else we were gonna give you some golf clubs, but uh, okay, well, and then you know, the other obvious one they draft a guy to maybe come in and play left guard next to you. Obviously they've shown a willingness to invest in the offensive line over the years.

What does that mean for y'all and more so for those of y'all that are already here, you know, lyle not having to move just maybe keeping that continuing continuity here we go, and just what that means to y'all as a unit moving forward and trying to pick your love next love. Well, you know, for us, we always appreciate the kind of any help they bring for us. And this kissing like he's willing to come in and work and put forth the effort and make this seam

better and we will help him along the way. Any questions he has along the way, We're going to help him out. Any any early impressions of Paul Alexander for me, he's this um he has like an old school field to him for me, and uh, you know, he takes pride in what he does as any coach does, and he's he's on the same path that we are trying to get tours. Totally, I feel like a bad journalist. I totally buried the lead. You're out here playing golf.

You must feel pretty good. How's the back, how's the knee? I mean, how are you feeling this offseason? Actually? I feel great right now. I gotta early jump on on everything this year and then that's actually feel really great. Good glad to hear. Well, let's go play some golf that Yeah, I mean that right there. Yeah, you got the right idea, you got everything going the right way here, breaking Smith, Let's get him some golf clubs appreciate, okay,

as Tyron Smith. Nice get by uh An Barr doing the guests we've had, I know, yeah, man, I don't know if we've ever had this many don't know. I can't, I can't stress enough. I mean, Tyron Smith does not like to talk in front of a microphone, like for him to sit down with us as big. I think it's you, Dave. I think they're starting to like you, maybe so growing on them like fungus my roguish charm, rogus charm. I'm just annoying, but not too annoying, I

don't know, just annoying enough. Yeah him er, Sean Lee. It's the most important player that needs to be out there for sixteen. Yes, that's you. Know that was the point that was Actually I'm talking about that earlier and I was talking about Deck like I think that's what everybody doesn't want to today. They don't mention when they're talking about play is it was when Tyron went down that things started going falling apart. You had Tyrn and Zeke out and it was like, that's when things just

started falling apart for the offense. They went through the historically bad stretch. And to me, that's not so much about the quarterback as much as it is about the fact that the left tackle and the running back we're out and I think you hopefully they can get through a season where they don't have those issues. That's a tough question to answer. I'm gonna I'm just gonna say Tyrann Smith. And that's no disrespect to Shawn Lee obviously, but to Derek's point, eight games down the stretch, Tyron

Smith missed better part of three games. I think with that injuries, twenty two sacks on Dak Prescott before and not happened before, and that doesn't count the times he was hit and pressured, and he wasn't the same efficient Dack that we've known to be when the when the offensive line is cooking like it normally is. Let's throw this out there too though, um, and you know, knock on wood. I hope both of those guys play sixteen games, But do you feel like they're better position to deal

with that if they have to? Yeah, they drafted they are. They drafted a linebacker nineteenth overall because of Sean Lee's injury issues, and they signed Cam Fleming who can play both spots and has twenty something career starts at tackle, and that's I just I don't I can't say enough how smart it I think, how smart I think it is that they drafted Connor Williams and they're not trying to move Lyle Collins and mess with that situation because I really think you need three capable guys to get

the job done, and that's what they have. That's fair. Although they did devote a first round pick bit linebacker signed Joe Thomas, so maybe you can say they're better equipped a linebacker too if something were happening. I get I think they're so they're equipped at both. Yeah, they're well equipped at both to whether that better than they did last year. Now, hopefully we don't have to find out. But they've got better experience and better talent in both

of those spots. If something happens. Scouting report on the sausage dog unbelievable. I mean it really is it really that good? Yeah? It really is, especially the way I think yea like a true Texan. Yeah, you go tortilla there. But um, yeah, we're gonna break down here. I mean, was this the quickest two hours ever? I was pretty fast? So it is as Actually everybody goes by, get LC on camera, LC fishing, that's the new company. He's like, I'm going fishing with that guy out. Oh no, absolutely,

we've had locker rooms. Were on a Wednesday where we didn't get as m I'm telling you man, I was kind of thinking about after we're done, set the table around and just as they come by, would just save your recorders out and just fit questions as you go. Yeah, you can get you can get a lot of content here. Absolutely. Uh. The question I asked was about Smith or Lee number one, he's over there, and uh he might turn around and hear it. But no, Honestly, the stat that I looked,

I think I told you guys this thirty Uh. I think they give up thirty two sacks last year. Nineteen of them were in the five games where he did not play or missed a lot of it. So I think he's so valuable. And you know he drafted Layton, Layton vander esh Well, been a lot of faith in No. Fifty five? Can we just call him Rolando two point zero? How about that? Well? That was your boy, man. I love him. I love He's fishing somewhere right now. Yeah,

he's fishing somewhere in Alabama. How about you? And I mean I've asked the question about you, Sean Lee. I mean, either way, I wouldn't disagree. It's just I don't like picking aside because I see the two things completely and some fans gonna tag you about it later. That has ever stopped me. I don't think so. But the answer has to be both for this team. It's just they're not going to be good if it's not both. I mean, I would pick one. If they were both on like

offense or defense, I would picked one. But then since it's just two separate things, they both have clearly highly affected the team when they're out. Who's your answer? Who's your answer? Yeah? I don't think they play without Sean Lee. They don't, they don't. Defense is not the same defense again Byron Bill Amber was absolutely right with the band aid stuff, and that's why they went out and did what they did. You know, I I totally totally agree

with with her assessment on that. But look at what this defense was without Sean Lee. It just they could not stop anybody. They couldn't get off the field two to twenty two. Yeah, I mean that that what's he what's he went out did? Everything was bad? But it was, but it really is even because they couldn't get in the end zone without Tyrant Smith, they couldn't find the end zone. It was it was fueld goal settling for field goals. I mean, Zeke wasn't there. Zeeke helps your

defense though, too, doesn't he? Sure that's why they drafted him? Yeah? Did you go part? Did y'all watch All or Nothing? Everything?

How heartbreaking was that last shot of Sean Lee in the room by himself watching team My favorite thing about every It seemed like every time Sean Lee was on that show, they had to like get it from you know, like fifty feet away, because like you know, there was a scene where he was doing rehabit in the pool during his injury, and they were kind of getting them and like he saw him from behind, and I'm like he got out and him after them up and down.

I would bet fifty dollars like I feel like they were filming him from a watched I watched part of the show with some people that don't know much about football or followed the Cowboys, and they're like, is he the coach? I'm like, na, but because it's not really. But the craziest not the craziest were good good. One of the most enlightening things that the whole show is like he led the defensive meetings, Like I didn't know that. That's hilarious. Yeah, that's awesome. I so when he's gone,

you can see why they or whatever. I think it's. I think it's Sean Lee. I mean as much as I love Tyrn Smith and what the left tackle spot means, because they clearly didn't fix that. They clear not not last season. Oh yeah, with what happened, which you were hopeful that Chaz Green was going to be the guy

because he made a couple of injury starts. Believe since he came in San Francisco, Cincinnati and then the Bear the previous year and there you know, and and Cincinnati can bring the heat I think, I mean they had some rushers and he was able to hold up in I'd feel more comfortable trying to make it work with Cam Fleming, Lyle Collins and maybe even uh Connor Williams. Then throwing Layton Vanderesh and Jalen Smith out there, and what do we what do we always go back to? Though?

How good is Jalen Smith going to be this year? He is the X factor maybe for this entire defense in a way, because if he can be a guy that can play you know, he was at his best when he was playing twenty thirty snaps, right, if he can play forty fifty and be really good and effective everything at number twelve at the whole the swing city. Yeah yeah, people are like this club cover. Yeah, but what about Okay, you get you get Vanderish probably gonna

be a mic linebacker. What does that do with Jalen Smith? Does that mean okay that there's gonna be a competition there? Didn't? Does he now play as the sam? Is he gonna be a rusher or nickel? Where does he? I like Dave's answer. There's that from a few weeks ago. He takes three to play two. Yeah, it does exactly like I mean, I think you play him. You can play him both there he played, we do it. We got to do something about this LV fifty five. I don't

know Layton play Layton. You can play him in in passing situations and where coverage is more import that's something he's really actually very good at your school? What conferences? Your school? In SEC? What about you? What about you SEC? Well, let's just call him Vandy. That's fine. Yeah, man, late, that was stupid of me. You don't want to be late when you're a lineback, now, you don't you You said it though, we said it on a Talking Cowboys before.

He's you know, with dealing with the foot. He was a lot better at times going forward and being a nickel Russian. So maybe this freeze him want to do more that I would. I would love to and you know, I remember twenty thirteen they made Kyle Wilber do that because they had nobody else who could do it right. I would love to see Jalen Smith get five to ten snaps a game as a pass Russian. I think, you know, I was good at I was breaking down

the defense. Did I think that dude, if you let him do that all season, I think he could finish with three to six sacks. I mean wipes, yeah, swipe it up. We didn't wipe it all like our Instagram stories. Swipe up and read more. Swipe up and sack the quarterback. That was stupid. Sorry, could shoot your shot. No, that's but I'm interested to see how they're going to play these linebackers. I really do, because there's like some questions about the defensive line. I mean, you named a bunch

of guys. You named a bunch of guys. Okay, one of the combination is going to be upfront. I I three to play too, figure it out. Jalen can play early downs, Layton can play laid downs. They feel like Layton's probably a mic so yeah, so so maybe it's just a platoon in Mica. That's what they did with That's what they did with Hitchens last year. Hitchens played more snaps and Jalen came in and spelled him. That's I mean three to play two and let let Jalen

rush the quarterback. I'm all in on that. That's uh just kind of thing. I'm just I don't know, I'm just kind of I'm thinking about how I play. I think I would play him at SAM I think I would just go ahead, I'm gonna throw I'm gonna throw Vanderish into the deep end of the pool. Wow, well you could use him in that. You could just you just said it. You use him as a rusher. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm getting all those young guys

on the book. If if what happened last year after the Chargers game where all those young kids had to start playing, by all means, let's just go that round. I just hope that in the next year's version of All or Nothing or whatever it is, that Nampa Bay Buccaneers whatever hard knocks comes in when they show Sean Lee. I hope Vandyandy. Hope he's sitting right next to him. I hope he's I think he's gonna learn. I think he's gonna learn from him. If you learn from him,

that would be great. He's got some he's got some arcag to him. He seems like that type of guy, you know, yeah, before we were running out of time, though, give me some like one thought going into not the rookie camp. But we're having with OTAs and stuff coming up, something you're gonna kind of look forward to in the in the OTAs when the rookies get to be with the veteran guys. Well, I'm gonna bring bring it back to what me and Amber keep talking about. That's I mean,

you know a lot of this. Okay, we know the receiver battle is gonna be tough. We'll sort that out later. Defensive line, we'll sort that out at training camp. This safety thing, you know, they said they know they didn't do anything about it. They mentioned Cheeto and Byron as guys who can play safety if need be, which you don't want to hear. No, I don't. But but my point,

I didn't like that answer. I think we're gonna we're gonna see, we're gonna watch these OTAs and then they're gonna say, all right, we should probably do something about this, or maybe maybe Xavier Woods is just so exemplary that they don't. But I feel like something's got to give with that in the next six weeks. That's my opinion. How Hey, I'm just going with the flow now. I've given up arguing about it. I'm like you know what. Hopefully they're seeing something that we're not, maybe which he

thinks they should do. Yeah, both, y'all. Do you take it personally? Because when you care, you care, you take it personal. No, you do care. But I'm saying it's like, you know, you can criticize your family, but when somebody else, let's say an Eagles fan, come in and talk crap, No, don't do that. No no, no, no, no, no the whole Derek, No, no, no, no no no no no no no no no no. But I'm just waiting to

see there. I truly believe there's no way that they can go into training camp without bringing someone in, like Nike has kept saying, so we'll see. There's no way they're okay with what they have right now. Rob Phillips, I want to see Dave alluded to it, how they sort out this wide receiver position, and we're not gonna we're not gonna learn it in OTAs and we're not gonna see, you know, a lot of a glimpse of

exactly how they're gonna run this offense. But I want to talk to Scott Linehan about how he plans to make this offense dak friendly because I think it's gonna it's gonna Sorry, sorry, Nick, you take it from there. It's exactly what just how are they going to because it's a different type of offense potentially with the new pieces they've added Tavon Austin, how are how are they going to scheme things up a little bit? Uh to make it more efficient for Dak because it's all about

making setting the table for him. They've done it with the line up front. You got Zeke back, you hope for sixteen games. How are the pieces around him in the passing game gonna help? I mean, I think the same way about Lenahan. You know, let's let's change it up a little bit because last year didn't really work as much. You're gonna talk about Dak friendly. I'm echoing everything Rob just said, but without witting. They're gonna need to do things a little bit more horizontally at first

and see how it works vertically, if you know. But but they need to trick up the playbook a little bit more. It's very predictable at times. If we see it. You watch a lot of those tape, you know what's coming, and I think so does the defensive coordinator. A lot of teams. They need to switch it out. I think that Tavon Austin things exciting because it's a little different move than they've had and maybe, you know, maybe without Witton, maybe they can do some different things. But um, he's

gonna be a hard guy to replace as well. I think you guys are all on the right line. I'm going to keep an eye on the coaching staff itself. And there's a lot of turnover at certain positions. We talked about the offensive line, there was turnovers. A tight Ends coach. You are all pro Hall of Fame tight Ends now gone. You know, There's there's changes in the secondary, there's changes at linebacker. There's changes all over the place with us. I'm interested to see, once we get on

the field how these coaches interact. You know, we all have an idea how Rod Marinelli is going to coach. You know, we all have an idea. I mean, there's a new receivers coach, there's a new tight ends coach, new line coach. What will Scott Linahan, how will this will this group look different in the way they trying to scheme and attack people. I'm interested to see what Chris Richard's gonna do. I'm gonna see how hands on

that he really really is. You know, are the are the players, all these young guys responding to how he's coaching. You know Ben Bloom, and we've Ben Bloom has gone from a guy that was on the bottom of the tone and pole one foot in the parking lot. Yeah, one foot in the parking lot, to a guy that's now your linebacker coach. And we all know what Sean Lee is and all that what he brings, but that's gonna be a group. It's gonna be a different group

of guys playing there. So I'm interested to see how these coaches all interact with the players and what maybe it will tell us going forward. Until we get into Oxnard, we'll have a one chance a week to watch these guys every Wednesday. So that's what I'm looking forward to that time of year. Man, it is off seasons over all, right, I think that's I think that's about all the time that we have for today. I want to thank you everybody,

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