Talkin' Cowboys Break: Kellen Moore Named Offensive Coordinator

and John kitten of the new quarterbacks coach. Jerry almost tipped his hand last night on the fan, just almost almost or just did kind of did. Yeah, he stopped himself and said, Jason will probably be sending this out pretty soon, very quickly. We got a nit definition of soon then, didn't we? Yeah, seriously, I mean, I'm I'm surprised in the sense that I thought this would happen Monday or Tuesday after the Super Bowl. M me too.

Maybe maybe the firmness Jerry Jones literally last night said to do it, said I'm gonna I'm gonna let I'm gonna let Jason make an announcement here soon. But I won't be surprised if if you know, Kellen Moore is heavily involved in making the play calls on the field next year or ultimately he has the full responsibility. Like that's what he said. Let he's gonna let Jason do it.

So he's gonna let Jason make the announcement except not really really, And he didn't want to take away from the super Bowl except not really, except he always does right, Anythony Davis already did that in the NBA. Right, I gotta trumped him on Monday. But hey, it's this is big news regardless, Nick, Yeah, it is big news. And you know there's a big question out there about you

know what, what's gonna be different? What's different? Because because Lenahan and Kellen Moore were always connected together, But you know what's he going to be able to do it to call these plays that are different? And hopefully it's get Dak Prescott more involved as a runner in my opinion, to be able to do more things that he's good at. So that's what I'm hoping we'll see at a Calmore. Now, have you guys ever been in a bowling class in college?

He almost failed it. Yeah, Sword of God, because what probably happened is you're supposed to go out there and throw out like a forty four to start it off, and then from the rest on it's like, well, you can only get better from there, and that's how you're graded. Went out seven points in the Pro Bowl. You know, no one's expected much. You can only get better from that. But I do like the flee flicker he called, you do like your fleeflickers. I can't. How about the snap

to to Zeke? Yeah, all that, I can't. I can't grade a guy on a game where running backs were rushing the passer A lot of people did know people did one hundred and less than one hundred and fifty yards and seven points in a game designed to score points and not be real football is not good, But it's so far. When he got his quarterback and they went down to school, damn right, they did Russell Wilson's fault.

That's Mitch Rubisky out of here, miss Rubisky. That it's interesting, I mean to your question like I don't know, I like I've heard you know. Travis Frederick had a glowing endorsement of his football IQ. His coaches at Boise State have been quoted recently Dak Prescott is obviously his biggest fan, going all the way back to twenty sixteen. But how can you sit here and know for sure one way or the other if it's going to look different. I mean, I think it would be disingenuous to to just rave

that it's going to be this vast departure. I don't expect it to be a huge departure. I think this hire makes a lot of sense for the type of things that Jason Garrett likes to do. I think he wants familiarity. I think he wants a guy that he knows well and can work with. Doesn't mean Kellen Moore won't be able to have his own ideas, But you know, I don't think Jason Garrett wants to go out and hire some guy he's never met to be in charge of his offense, especially if he's got one year left

on his contract. So I don't know, it's curious. I don't know what to expect, but I'm willing to have an open mind that Kellen Moore can bring some new st off at the table. For sure. I think we have to see how it pans out. I mean, it's one thing to have a title. It's another thing to see how much authority you have. And you know, he's not gonna sit in his office just you know, and be an independent contractor and start, you know, drawing up

some extravagant things in the offense. Jason Garrett's going to be heavily involved in the game planning during the week and putting the scheme together. Now, Kellen may call the plays, but remember Jason has a headset on, just like he had a headset on when Lenahan was here. And you can talk on the headset to each other. So it's not like this guy's gonna have Kellen's gonna just have free rein to do whatever nilly willie he wants to do. You know, Jason still can trump him on a play

call or this is what we're gonna do. We scripted this stuff, pick that play from that situation to call now. And so I still think he'll have a heavy hand in in developing what the game plan he is on for Sundays. Yeah, and I think, well, Jason loves to use the word collaborative. Jerry used it last night too. I think we've heard way too much talk about Doug Nussmeyer, John Kittner. You know, it kind of gets buried under the Kella Moore news, but he's officially on the staff

as the quarterbacks coach. Yep, Jerry Jones. I don't want to say surprising, but I thought it was noteworthy how often Jerry Jones brought up Mark Colombo as a guy whose ideas he's interested in. MY main point being is I think mixed right. I think there's gonna be a lot of people involved in this. I think it's kind of you know, Kelly Moore might ultimately call the plays, he's the offensive coordinator. I think there's gonna be a lot of voices involved in putting the plan together. Jerry

spoke to that yesterday on the fan. He called it a collaborative effort, and he said he wants these young coaches. I think he said he wants some you know, figuratively step in front of the train, brings some new ideas to the table, try to figure out ways to get this offense better than it was last year. And I know Mickey and I discussed this on Talking Cowboys. I know them the break you guys have too. I mean, no question the offense improved, not coincidentally with Amari Cooper,

uh there down the stretch. But there's still growth, room for growth. There a lot of room for growth there. When you look at the offenses that made it to the Final four this season in the AFC, in the NFC, they were more prolific over the course of the entire season than this Dallas offense, no question about it. Yeah, and then and then the Saints scored twenty three points. I don't really care about that. I'm talking about the

entire macro. But the Rams defense was was good, and I don't know what took them so long to kind of get there, But I mean their defense is like finally turned you know, all the all the guys they had brought in and all the money they had paid for they finally played like it there in the playoffs, you know, and merely shut down. And we saw the Saints. I mean, the Saints guy shot down by a cowboy defense as well. So that's that happens. But you're right, Rob,

the red zones got to get better. I gotta get more consistent there, and I you know, I think I think they need help at tight end. I mean, I think we everyone thinks that that they need to get help at tight end. But I think the tight end will help with the red zone if you can get a real um blocking tight end who can who can catch? Yeah? Or how about just a tight end who's played ten

games in the NFL. Yeah, that would help too. And so now you've got he's the second round pick actually played right, You played with three tight ends after Swain got hurt that had never played in the end. But but that's there. That's that's another thing that's got to change here in my opinion. You know, drop the arrogance. I mean, drop drop the like we do what we do and we're gonna put in Just because you put te next to the guy's name doesn't mean they are

real tight ends. And and and they they they went into last year thinking we don't need a number one receiver, watch this, we don't really need we can replace Witten with this, And that's not true. Now now they scrambled halfway through the year to get a first round pick receiver. And I think they didn't need to get it. I mean, just quit acting like you got it all figured out, like, well, that's that's what they do. But they, well, to your

to their credit, they figured out halfway through. We got to do something with a Dak even spoke to this on the fan today. We'll get to a cut from him about Kellen later, but uh, he said, I wasn't comfortable early in the season because we had it wasn't like guys weren't trying to get open or getting open, but we were shifting guys in any team receivers either I needed. Basically, he said, I needed consistency with the rotation.

And that's what they figured out. Um, and they should have played more in preseason because this wasn't an established team. Played the first team offense needed to play and and they just assume, Okay, now this season opener and we're gonna turn it on, and we got everything figured out and score eight points. That goes. I mean, that's a

whole other conversation. I mean, you know, if you want to go all the way back to August, I mean, three fifths of the offensive line is missing, Travis Fredericks being diagnosed with autoimmune diseases, Like, I mean, there were some factors there other than think, well we're good, isn't it the rams? And I don't know this because I'm kind of on the fence when it comes to the preseason stuff. But winning the Rams, the team that did played absolutely nobody. They sat a lot of guys and

then start off well. So I mean, I think there's cases for both, but well, no, what I was gonna say to your point is like, Okay, they deserve credit for recognizing the problem with Amari Cooper. They also deserved plenty of blame for feeling okay that that was a good idea. The tight end thing, I'm not as willing to kill them for, Like we talked about this on the break the other day, like it kind of gets swept under the rug, like Jason Witten did them no favors, Yeah,

no favors whatsoever. I mean, you wake up on Friday morning and find out you might not have your starting tight end Friday morning of the NFL Draft, Like that's when they've knew for sure that they weren't going to have them. Like that's crappy timing. So I don't want to kill them for being arrogant there. I think they kind of they probably got caught a little flat footed and just in hindsight, you know, Philadelphia got them by one pick. But do you would you have wanted them

to take Goddard. No, no, and it's a gigantic myth. I think they were always interested in Connor Williams. Maybe Philly was being preemptive because they thought the Cowboys might draft Alice Goddard. But we'll go fire up the audio of the phone calls. They were but okay, But now after what you've seen and in one year and they're both about the same, they kind of I'm well, I would say Goddard got better as the year went on and Connor kind of had a little up and down.

Now after everything that's happened, and you really haven't fixed tight end and you got to a filo in the mix. I think you can address it this year though, because it just it's early. But looking at the draft, it's pretty rich and tight ends. I mean, you could go find one and is he gonna come in here and be able to block when you go two tight ends? Because that was their problem. They stuck with at two tight end, think because that's what we do. But the

two tight ends couldn't block. And let's not kid ourselves. At the end of Witton's career, he wasn't exactly a block of granite out there blocking. I'm very comfortable having a guy who can start at left guard or theoretically maybe help me address my tackle problems. Yeah, that's another conversation, which to your point, that's the biggest thing for me with Kellen Moore, and that's what we're here to talk about in the first place. Is Yeah, I agree with you,

Like I think one of this team's biggest problems. You can call it confidence, you can call it arrogance, like Jason Garrett's whole deal is like, if we do what we do to the best of our abilities, we can beat anybody. And what just wasn't true a lot of the times last year. It hasn't been true from a

personnel standpoint exactly. Yeah, Well, but if you don't have the personnel to line up and win, you got a scheme ways to do it Otherwise I thought, you know, it drove me crazy, and I know Tavon Austin was hurt for a lot of the year, but again, you go back, go away. I hate to compare him to the Rams because the Rams are the best offense in football, but they don't do anything that that's the complex. They make it look complex and then they run simple looks

out of complex looking schemes. I mean, you know, I've said it ten million times. I'm sorry, motioning receivers, orbit motions into the backfield, moving your running backs. I just I would like to see more of that, because this big boy attitude of our best will beat your best. When it works, it's awesome, but it doesn't work a lot of the times and it gets you beat And I hope Kellen Moore can can change some of that.

And you know, if you look at that, that mentality, you know that the quarterback obviously matters there because when you think back to twenty fourteen, you know they were

doing that. They were running over people with de Marco Murray and Romo was the quarterback and they were rushed for eighteen hundred yards and then fifteen Romo gets hurt and Kellen Moore was one of the quarterbacks and Weedon and Castle and those guys, and they were the worst third and one team in the league because they couldn't really knock people off the ball. So and then they got back in sixteen and they were doing it again.

So you know, having quarterback presidents obviously helps with that offensive line. And so you know that I'm not I'm not saying anything that no one doesn't know. I mean, Dak's got to play well for the offense to do well, and he needs also not get sacked fifty six times. You want to hear a cut from Dak Prescott today, Yeah, I'd love to hear him where we got kent This is on the fan Earlier, Dak Prescott asked about Kellen

Moore before the announcement was made. I mean, he's honestly one of these young genius phenomens in the game and just what he knows the way obviously he knows the football that we've been playing and kind of where the game's been going, the wall on the ball or whatever it is. That the style of player you want to call it. But he's specially, he's specially he knows a lot about the game. Just the way he sees the game.

Where he's ahead of the game. He can bring a lot to us, a lot of creativity, uh, something we need. And by the way, that's not lip service either. Dak's been saying that for three years that Kellen has called him a genius before. I think he really he trusts him and he appreciates the help Kellen gave him as a rookie. When Kellen lost his job to injury as the backup, and then ultimately Dak took over as the starter.

There's a trust factor there, there's no question in trying to figure out a solution once they parted ways with Scott Linahan. I'm sure Dax was asked, you know how, what do you think about this? And I'm sure he's comfortable with it, which and that goes back to my point. You're right, it's not lip service. Dak loves Kellen Moore and I mentioned it earlier. You can go find the audio on Twitter. Travis Frederick said some really glowing stuff about Kellen in a radio interview a week or so ago,

of really insightful stuff. But so is it lip service? No, because I think they believe it, But like I haven't seen it, you know what I mean? Sure, And that doesn't mean he can't do it. It It doesn't mean he's not a phenom. But I feel weird sitting here talking up you know, his credentials, Like I have no idea. We talked about that all year long. Is you know, people were mad at Kellen because he's inexperienced, He's too young to be Dak's quarterbacks coach. I'm sitting here like,

I don't know what do we have? We have the Pro Bowl, we have the Pro Bowl and like footage of him sitting on the sideline with Dak, Like that's really all we've got to go on. True, and that is fair because Wade Wilson was the quarterbacks coach for what fifteen years, and you can't really say that you ever saw much there. I mean, yeah, he had guys go to the Pro Bowl? Yeah, Romo did did well.

Was it because of Wade Wilson? He also had Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter and Drew Hinson and sometimes that didn't work either. So what does the court? It's hard to really see what a quarterback coach is doing. Yeah, until they get into him. It's more of a more until they get a really good quarterback. Well, I've been I've been going back and forth with people on people with people on Twitter for two weeks because I think it's it's it's just an interesting thought. Kellen Moore is

the quarterbacks coach of it. He's a young, young coach with a young quarterback for the Cowboys. Up and down results a lot of people don't like him. A lot of people did not want him to get this job Mike Kafka as the quarterbacks coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. People would be doing backflips if he had been hired to be the offensive coordinator here because his quarterback just through for fifty touchdowns and redefined what a quarterback is

capable of. They have the exact same resume where they came out at the same time, they played the same number of years in the NFL and accomplished the same amount. They've been coaching in the NFL for the same amount of time, and who coordinated that Kansas City offense well this year was being the enemy Andy Reid too. Here's the difference the head coach. Where did Kellen Moore start his career and who'd he play for? Yeah, Scott Lindhand, And that's the thing. He's tied to Scott lind Hand.

And people that don't like Scott lind Hand and what he did in this offense, they think with Kellen coming in, it's going to be the same thing. And I'm with you guys on the fact that it's Jason Garrett's offense and it's been his offense since two thousand and seven. So I have a hard time believe, like Mickey calls at Star Wars, you know, some of what we've seen throughout the league college offenses, some of those concepts becoming more prevalent. I don't see that. I think the core

of this thing is going to stay the same. But it doesn't mean that Kellen Moore can't bring something to the table. And he's a clone of Scott Linehan. Now. I just hope that they realized that, you know, gone of the days or not gone. But but this isn't your franchise stand in the pocket Troy Aikman, Tony Romol type of quarterback. This is a guy that needs to be on the move a little bit. I think it's

I think the stats speak for themselves. I don't mean he has to run twenty five times a game, but he needs to run a little bit because that is what he's good at. And you have two runners that can run like that. They need to I think they need to need to think about that a little bit more. And I one thing that gives me confidence is Kellen Moore is not your prototypical quarterback. And I don't you know,

college success clearly doesn't translate to the NFL. But he was very, very good in college despite being much smaller than average and not a runner, but a mobile ish quarterback. He could use his feet. So I'm encouraged to think that he knows how to incorporate those types of things into calling an offense for Dak. I don't think he's going to ask him to play like Troy Aikman, because he wasn't that way when he was in college. Again and go, you know, I've mentioned five or six things

you can see on the internet. Another one, you know, people pulled up his clip with John Gruden in the pre draft process when he came out, and you know, it's it's not going to show you what he's gonna be like as an offensive coordinator, but if you want to get a look into what he's like as a football mind, it's really interesting. You can find it on YouTube ord Twitter and just him shooting the breeze with

John Gruden about football for three or four minutes. People saw that and they kind of they didn't know about it, and they were like, oh no, maybe this guy actually knows what he's gonna be not stupid. He's definitely not dumb. Like he knows more about quarterback than anybody listening to this podcast. So, like I said, I just you know,

nobody likes it when you ride the fence. But like I think this could be a really great higher I don't feel confident saying it definitely will be, but I'm alright, I'm alright with it. I'm interested to see how he does. We you and I talked about something a minute ago pre show. It's kind of interesting, Okay, It's the engine of this thing is Ezekiel Elliott. Right. It's a run first offense. It always has been, and that's not gonna change. I mean, he's gonna be a significant part of this thing.

But the Rams are an example of a team that has an elite running back that are as versatile and nimble as you can ask. So there are ways to still have Zeke as a primary piece of this thing and maybe be a little more diverse in what you do. Yeah, Dak really killed me this morning. He went on he was in he's in Atlanta, you know, radio row and all that stuff, and this is what he said on the radio today. They asked him about about that, you know,

more pre snap motion more misdirection. Don't be so predictable, he said. It's fair for fans to have those arguments. He's like, I get that. You know the offense I came from, the offense Zeke came from. We do some of that the same coaches. You know. Dak was under Dan Mullin, Zeke was under urban Meyer. They worked together. He said, you look around and see the pieces and the team we have. When you have a guy like Zeke and you've got a running back like that, you've

got to give him the ball. You gotta make sure you dominate time of possession and do that type of stuff. It takes away sometimes from the movement and all this other stuff that people are talking about, but it's about being who we are, which that last sentence, like Jason Garret texited to him, I'm sure. So I'm positive. I'm positive. So what did they do in twenty sixteen? I think, well, and that's I think they have not have motion that they Dak run the ball more they did this past year.

I think. So it's interesting because I would argue that they did, like Lucky Whitehead was a fixture in that offense. Just again, it sounds stupid to say, but he was a constant threat moving across that formation. When he got the ball, he averaged ten yards per carry. And I don't have the stats in front of me, but I would venture a guest that he did that a dozen or so times per game. So who was Lucky Whitehead this year? Nobody? Nobody? Yeah, Jordan lew because it was personnel. Right,

you didn't have that guy. Once you lose Tavon Austin, you can't do that so easily. He's not going to cause anybody a problems running the football at his size, right, Lucky Whitehead was a little bit different. I can't literally anyone else do it well? Whom? So just have something you want? Noah running thou Do you remember the guy? Do you remember who kept doing it over and over for the Rams? Remember that guy? What's his name? Yeah? Exactly, I don't remember, but I just know it was somebody.

I think Cooks was the one that wound up, which Brandon Cooks like Reynolds to everything very fast. But and Reynolds got some deep speed by the way, No he does. You're not wrong if you're on that. They had that guy and they tried it, so it didn't work. Very well. Well, I mean, yeah, they tried with Jordan Lewis. I mean, why did they beat the Cowboys. Let's face it, the seventy three yards. This isn't about the Rams game. No, I know, I'm not saying, but that's why they didn't

go to the next round. Oh sure, because if they had won that game, then everybody would have been real happy. They Oh yeah, they're in the NFC title game, right, But they also they also ran for two seventy three because they got the opportunity to run that much because the offense wasn't doing well. I mean, the offense did not help him in that game. And I think everyone knows the offensive. If the defense plays exactly like it plays next year, and if the offense improves, this will

be a better team. Doesn't mean they'll have a better record, because they sound like they have a tougher schedule paper for sure, Yeah, I will see it's it looks it looks terrifying right now. There were four games that went down to a field goal they made, they won two, they lost two. I mean, if you if you win three out of four and then you know you're sitting at a completely different record and weren't they like eight and two in games decided by a touchdown or less something? Yeah,

I mean it was. It was ridiculous they did. Yeah. Yeah, but that whole streak down the stretch, it was all one possession games. I only wiped out one team, right, right, And they only got wiped out really once in Napolis, right oh yeah, although Tennessee wasn't close. It was touchdowns. I know, I just disagreed with you, Mick, but like in overall, I tend to lean your way because that's you know, and I think a change was needed. We talked about that the offense was trending down the last

two years. Twenty sixteen with a lot of the same guys, they were top five with Scotland a hand in charge of the sting, and I don't and I think, honestly, the big difference was they had the personnel to bully people the way they went. They had a dominant offensive line was much better. That's probably the best way they got to line this decade much better. Fourteen. Could make an argument there maybe last two years, but um, they had much better personnel. The offensive line was much better.

The receivers played a lot better. But I don't think they're that far away from being able to do those types of things. We'll see, and I mean Kellen Moore is going to play a huge part in that, but well he better get Travis Frederick healthy and ready to go. So nice. Just to clarify, you're kind of hinting at it. I mean, you feel like this is more about personnel for this team going forward next season to improve more

so than trying to change things. Well, what was the what was the difference between three and five and seven and one? Amari Cooper? Thank you? That's the only reason the offensive coordinator didn't change? Did he raine? Four? Well? Offense? But it was three and five at the halfway? I know, but Cooper lost. Yeah, well, okay, I know, I'm just

saying he and he. I can't fault them for going seven and one, but they still were only scoring twenty one points per game in that time period, Like, they went from twenty pre Cooper seven games to about twenty two in the last eleven games counting playoffs with Cooper and he had a goose egg in Indianapolis. Still bad, but that But one of the answers to that question is also on defense too, because they're their best defensive player started to play. I mean he got to really emerge.

I mean I think when I think vander Esh thing really took off. Him and Jalen both just played together. And I thought that the defense was better in that stretch too. Amari for sure can't forget that part. But I thought the defense was better in that stretch and Vanderesh was taking it to another level. It kind of it kind of goes back to that point, is like people want new, people want different. Jason Garrett's not gonna do that anyway. But like, don't I don't think you

need it. I don't. I don't think you need to do a ton to make this thing a lot better. You need you need some new ideas. I think you need to be a little bit less predictable. You could stand to upgrade your personnel in a couple of spots. But like I just I don't think I buy that you need this drastic overhaul to make this offense more functional. So and that was Frederick at center. That would be nice.

You need. You need Zach Martin playing on two good knees, not one, Although I will say like that is part of every single football season in the world. I understand like, and then every team in the league game sitting here left guard. Uh, you got your Pro Bowl left tackle playing with a knee brace on his elbow. I mean that offensive line wasn't what everybody's used to seeing it, and it showed which it brought back diminishing returns. To get another running back in here, you can't get another

running back in here. Real with the second round. You can't sit here in February. You can't sit here in February and say like, well they just be better though, because I mean I've I have resigned myself. I love Tyrant Smith to death. He's going to be dealing with these problems for the rest of his career more likely than not. Uh, Travis Frederick, all thing it sounds really positive. Can't bank on that until I see it. Um can get you a better backup offensive tackle, maybe, but you

did it at at linebacker, right. My point, backed up your your ace card attonbacker, So back up your ace card on the offensive line. You're never is the backup. Well, maybe you're never. You're never going to be perfectly healthy, and in those situations you need scheme to overcome those things. And that's what I mean that is why this is important.

You know, it doesn't need to be a drastic departure, but if you're not equipped to line up and say our eleven are better than you're eleven, then there's got to be some other way you can overcome that. The Pats are probably the best example of any team in the league. No do that, the Pats. I'm talking about. The Pats are in the super Bowl with like a bunch of scraps at offensive line. It's unbelievable, and Brady was not. I mean, Mickey talked about it on our show.

Was a picture of him holding up his jersey after the game with I mean, just the Patties can be. The Pats spent a first round ross st Pat's been a first round pick on a guard who didn't play a snap this season, and they didn't stop them. They're the outlier, no question about it, I know. But the Cowboys trying to take steps to improve things in house. Kellen Moore the new OC and they get to play in the AOC East. John Kitten the new quarterbacks coach,

and address that because he's here. He really it's my argument what I bring it up. What's that what's that that they got to play in the Oh no I talk? Oh yeah, Kitten, I'm low key really excited about that. Higher. I think it's I think it's a really good movie. This it's the guy we've been saying we would like to see working with. Like I wasn't thinking about Kittna.

I was thinking, you know, back when um Luke McCown had a cup of coffee here, I wanted him to be on the team just because I was like, can we get a guy who's been through the NFL to work with Dak for a little while? Know, so what else could you possibly want? Then? A guy who's played fourteen NFL seasons, He's had two four thousand yard seasons, he's played in NFL Europe. He's coached at the high

school level. So I'm confident he has seen, you know, some of the newer things that they're doing at those levels of football over the last and he's been doing that for six years. So it just happens a great high and just haven't been around him for a couple of years here. He's a good communicator. Guys listen to him, Guys follow him. He's got kind of an IT factory I think I think he's got communication skills along with his knowledge that will translate well to a coaching role.

And he's been you know, he's been in a high school role for a few years now, Yeah, which may be the hardest coaching job. So there. Yeah, well and the Sun has been a quarterback too, so he's been coaching at home, I you know, for a while too. But you know, backup quarterbacks are always coaches. You know, when the guy comes off on the field, that what you see. While I saw this too, and Garrett did it for years with Troy. I mean, you know, it

doesn't mean you're better than the guy at all. It just means that you're giving him a different set of eyes. And so Kittnah, you know, he's always been able to kind of get it and understand his role. And you know, cart he took over for Carson Palmer was drafted, he was the starter and then he hey, he understood the deal. He just kind of gets it. I think I think it's an outstanding addition to this staff. I really do. Yeah. I wonder if that was a tough sell or if

that was, hey, we got this job for you. I mean, I'm sure sound like it. I think he was on a trip to the Pro Bowl, like real quick, like, oh hey, that was the easy sell. He might to come down to the Pro Bowl. He was going to be the OC for the San Diego Fleet. Now he's the you know, that's a good well I was gonna I'm sure high school football coaching sounds incredibly really good. Yeah, I mean, you know if they do. I mean, well,

his last job was at a preparatory school. I think it was last year in Yeah, he was hired to be hadn't actually so just such a small world. Uh you know who plays for the San Diego Fleet? Do they play? Gavin Escobar? Way? Like literally two weeks ago, somebody asked Escobar about Kitten ap because he's gonna be there OC, and Gavin was like, well, yeah, but I mean he just he just agreed to be the Cowboys

quarterbacks coach. This was like three weeks ago. So, I mean, you know, like we said at the top of the show, this has been a long time coming. Hey we stir the pot and big what if he took Gavin to come in here and help out it? Tight end joking, that's sorry, And that's where we had. Good job, Nick they opened February ninth. By the way, yes, that new league. I think it's important to mention Gavin Escapar when we say, you know what I would drafts tight end in the

second rounds, right, fix this problem. I'm not gonna bring the draft show onto this. But like I'm out, I'm out on tight end. Well, I'm just I just was saying it's a deep position this year. It's deep, so you can quite one in the fourth round. But we had a mail back question today Blake Jarwin. They're gonna be better than Blake Jarwin with another year of development. No, maybe not very very well. May not be very few tight ends who aren't drafted in the top fifteen do

much of anything while they're rookies. Yeah, very few. So give me pick fifty eight if anybody cared, what I think should be a receiver that can play inside and out. If you said you didn't go, if you said you didn't go to the super Bowl because you didn't have a good tight end, you had other problems. Okay, Yeah, that's not why they didn't go super Bowl. That might be why the red zone isn't as good though, could certainly help. Actually it's been not the red zone, the

inside the ten yard line zone. That's where they face. They were dead last and goal to go. We should call that something like maroon zone. I mean, it's really read. Last year was the dead zone. How can you be How can you be dead last and goal to go and have the NFL rushing champion on your team because your offensive line couldn't run over Yeah, they don't give it to him as much. I don't even buy that, Like they didn't trust the offensive line when they got

down there. I've never seen Zeke get tackled backwards in his life. Well, how about fourth and one and a half at the thirty five. Well, something changed because in sixteen and seventeen they were among the best in the league at it. And yeah, I mean I think that's a factor as well as Joe Looney. Joe, but yeah, Frederick if he was when we would have like a center competition every year, like who's gonna start this year?

I mean just go look at fourth and one and a half at the thirty five and to see who got blown up to him. Yes, Joe, Joe Looney did an amazing job. He did, but not the best center in football. There's a reason why he was a backup and to next point, then you try to do some things differently and sometimes execution was just a factor. Cole Beasley drops a touchdown, Noel Brown Dak misconnect on a touchdown. Cowboys an't the only team to get, you know, cue down.

Two of those guys, like the guys who just all right, you just got about that one too, the most obscure player on the team. No one talked to him. I don't know if he talked to anybody in the media. Y'all just name interviewed. Y'all just named three players who aren't coming off a Pro Bowl trip. I know Elliott Is. I know he never got looked at down there, and I'll just go to my grave not really knowing why can't just show to play where he did get looked at and he got stuffed. It was after the Ola

Wally drop, wasn't it. Now? That was the Rams game. Lord, Well, maybe Kellen Moore can fix all that, and maybe John Kidney can help you all that as the new quarterbacks coach, Kellen Moore new oc checkout Dallas Cowboys dot com for them softly there it is almost went with that for the headline on the site, but it didn't make sense. Maybe we'll change it up next time. Thanks guys for joining us. Thanks everybody on the producing stay throughout the offseason.

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