Talkin' Cowboys Break: Dez; Switz; Raiders & More

here in a little bit. We're gonna kind of finished this week off here. It's been a good week of practice at the start the Cowboys is the first time they've practiced here at Frisco. Uh fans got a chance to come out, and the Dallas Fort Worth chance to come out. I'm sure all of us have got a chance to shake hands with people as we walk through, and absolutely people that you know, It's it's kind of weird when you think about it. California gets to see

these cowboys a lot. It's been They've been Austin, which all falls thankfully, but um but here in Dallas. You know, training camp in Dallas is not a new thing. But I think it's gone pretty well. Practicing inside you would say, yeah, you know, we we were all part of the Wichita Falls experiment. You know we were. But let me talk about that real quick, you know. And Nick brought up

a point about practicing indoors. You you'd love that back in the day after doing with Austin, Wichita Falls, all those places that you know, the way you guys practice, you're different type of player too. Yeah, yeah, we uh we had to go ahead it hard two days for a minimum maybe ten days, and that was straight yeah, two day practices every day, So you would we would have loved especially when we to Wichita Falls. Oh my gosh.

You know, we could bear a little bit better at saying it was in Austin, but wow, I mean, it wasn't only a long walk out to practice. It was a long walk away from practice. It was a long walk back to the day. It's like nothing was right and the heat one hundred and ten degrees when nothing was right about that place. Hold on, hold on, that's a school. He's gonna fight you going to school. But

I mean I have none against the educational part. None against there you go, the academic part of this school. But I'm talking about logistically, it was. Yeah, I'm gonna admit some I didn't help you with teammates. I didn't do a very good job of getting your teammates for what you were used to playing with. Did that take something otter that team? Did that practice takes Yes, because you guys took advantage of the heat in Austin had

better teammates. Nah, but no, brother, No, when you when you in a hundred degree weather with with the index one hundred and ten, sure it does not work. You can take you can take uh the youngest, strongest, most gifted athletes out there and you run them ten days of that right there. I mean it was you know how the things in the plane when you hit a certain attitude of things oxygen mast all. Yeah, it's like when we used to go right in the training room

just just fall out. I remember that, Remember Nick, Remember walking into that fieldhouse to Colis Cumare and there were there were beds. They were like fifty beds of just people you know, laid up in Wake us up, hey man, it's trying to go to lunch, like, hey man, just feed me IV Yeah, And I tell you can I tell you the flip side of that that you guys probably don't even know that football team out there because I was a student at Midwestern State right there, and

that that's how I got hooked up here. But there were a bad football team. They were making a transition from NAI school to Division two and one, two to three games a year at at most. But but being there and having and Mickey Spagnala joint us here. Uh, but being there and the exposure of that this is where the Cowboys train. It helped get enough recruits that now I think it started in two thousand and one, but now they have won. They've had sixteen straight winning seasons.

It's the laws streak of any college since stat it's two thousand and one, right as dehydration or the Cowboys. No no college football team, whether it be junior college, small college, you know, University of Texas. Nobody in Texas has had more winning seasons in a road than in Western State. What happened right there, you know, because of the facilities approved and all that. The cowboy Boys help some money in there, they certainly did well. We sacrificed

for that's good. Sorry, we sacrificed you. We're talking about practicing indoors, sacrificed us Mickey, how you guys doing? Welcome back? See? Yeah, I think this week is gone. Practice woice yesterday? Was it yesterday or the day before they got off to the slow start? No, it was yesterday when they took the pads off right and put the shells on, and he had to throw the first team off and then he had to throw the second team off and bring

the first team back on to start practice. I think you take your foot off the accelerator and the guys take their foot off their accelerator. But other than that, I think it's been fine. I'm sure they would have liked more space for some of the stuff, but yeah, the practice is indoors, and I think the people kind of juiced, kind of juiced it up a little bit. Yeah. I thought, yes, it was the first bad practice they had, and just overall because that's like you say, with with Garrett,

he's done a good job. I think, at least from a scouting perspective, being able to evaluate practice. You go out there and watch two plus hours of practice, you walk out there you're like, Okay, this happened, and this happened, and this happened yesterday Mickey's right. When you when you open with the thought of an off side, a snap early a fumble, you know that that was that was

a sloppy way to get after it. Yesterday. Yeah, and then the day before they gave him the evening off, right, well, the day before they gave a bunch of the veterans off, and I thought that reduced the efficiency of the of the offense. But the defense had a good day, but the offense struggled, right, So yeah, they Um, I don't know. You change venues like that, change atmospheres, and maybe it was a little too cushy m because we were just

talking about the perils of Austin and wichitall falls. Oh well, from a physical standpoint, it's great, right, I mean it's might I mean ox Neyard, it was Oxnyard without sun absolutely a big deal, all right, can't it's got the phone number, I think for us over there. We've we've changed the number a couple of times. Did you have that number right off the top? Do you want to give it? Share it? It's two and four eight seven two twenty one O two all right, two and four

eight seven two twenty one on two. All right, we've changed. You're just gonna make us like Kruskin like, yeah, try and mine read I had the two one four, Yeah, I was gonna. I'm just good to that point, all right, one four, eight seven two twenty one two. Give us a call, we'll talk. Uh. And also, Brian's got a game for us. I do play out of the box here later on. Ye, I'm ready for that at bit. It's a little bit out of the box, Mickey. I mean it's not I'm not asking you to the ball.

I'm just out of the box. Let's talk a little bit about some of some of the news, if you want to call it that. If anyone wants to share anything about their opinions on Dez Bryant giving his opinions yesterday, this whole thing is kind of blown up, I don't know, for no reason really, um, but breaking news. He's still gonna stand at the national anthem, shocking. Yes, this hand over his heart I think so, yeah, next to the head coach. Right, so, um, nothing new has really happened there.

He tried to have some fun on social media about a pizza place and and and it's kind of taken on a life of its own for no reason. And that's my opinion. He might have anything to share on Dez. Who is that woman Jamal Hill? Bill Hill? Who is that ESPN? She works? She's an anchor on their six o'clock. So why is she? Why is she trying? No one knows who she is? Why is she trolling on? Does Bryant? Are you well? So after she's an African American? Go out on it? You ever, you've never seen her? I

saw her picture, Okay. She ESPN has made her a prominent person on their she six o'clock. Okay, So what is she? What is she trying to do? She's not on like minight trying to do I think she's trying to jump into a story. Yeah, she's trying to do something. You're right, Mickey. She's trying to do something that as an American, you should never do. And that's tell somebody else how to do their business. That's that's the unfortunate thing here to me. Don't don't tell me that the

rights I have. Don't tell me how to put out my exhibit. My rights. Yeah, that's that's why I have rights. Go out on the street and find just ten people, all ten gonna know who does Brian is maybe four know who she is. Focus on the real story though, So no, the real story is she's trying to make a name for herself. I don't think so well I do. I don't. Well, I agree with brought us in a sense that you know, it bothers me because I'm hearing guys all just I'm not gonna take a shout at

you for your opinion. You either, you on the shoa so seriously about people's opinion. Yeah, so I don't the Twitter followers I have, I don't never respond because when you go to saying, hey, this ain't right. What you're saying ain't smart that you know, I'm not getting into an argument about if you honestly think what you think and like you say, we have that right. Yeah, what's what's the issue here? Yeah, don't tell me how to I can't. Yeah, that's where I think your issue not

who she is. Well, I still think she's trying to make a name for herself, and she's got a name. She's obviously on a national program Nightly Mickey. Yeah, yeah, got a name. But but you know, I still think that they try to throw that in there. What I didn't like is the fact that she said, oh, oh, you'll take a stand here, but not never mind, and then came back and said she was joking like yeah, like that that's wrong. Yeah I didn't. I didn't like that.

But it's it's kind of you know, it's it's kind of been blown out of proportion. As I said on yesterday's show, that I don't feel like, you know, these players, whether you kneel or you don't, these players might have an opinion one way or another about the way our country is run. Absolutely, that doesn't mean that they're that they you know, just by standing don't care that they don't care, right and then and then they're okay with

everything that's happening. You know, standing and kneeling for our country. It means a lot more than whether or not I approve of the president or not. This is this is an opportunity that we have, and I think I've had I've had people in the military tweet at me. And that's that's really our new way of talking to fans. That's our new way other than like Mickey going along the rail at Oxnard and saying hello to fans, which

he always does, I think we all do that. We all acknowledge the fans wave to him, but now twitters are a way to communicate with fans, and I know the military folks that follow me in particular. You know, I've made a comment about Kaepernick, and to a person, men and women have said, hey, I fought for their right to do what they're doing, you know, and I I appreciate that. I really really do. And I agree with Nate. I think that I'm not one to tread

on someone else's opinion on this show. We have a form when we go back and forth and discuss, and that's good. But I'm not going to sit there and try and force my way of thinking on you. Yeah, that's not That's not the way this country was form. That's why we have the freedoms we do. If people would just take a moment and listen to what Dez said yesterday, absolutely and almost eloquently expressing himself, and to think where he was in twenty ten. We talked about

he was absolutely twenty seventeen. And you know, I don't get too close to the players, right. I wanted to reach out and hug him. Yeah, I was like, man, look how far you've come. No doubt he wasn't mad. He kept his emotions in check, and he expressed what he felt from his heart. And I thought he did it so well and it should be required listening because if you read it, it doesn't have the same effect

if you hear it. And to see where he came from and the point he pointed out about, Hey, nothing against my mom and dad, but when I grew up, I wasn't taught right and wrong from them. I had to learn, and a lot of it I learned by trial and error, and there were errors. But he's come so far and and and for her to have the nerve to tell him, and basically he was telling him, you got to feel this way because you're a black man. That's what she's saying. That's what I'm gonna say it.

That's no, that's exactly what and that ain't right. No, and that's and that's she shouldn't that that's a bad use of her platform, you know, to to go after Dez Bryant that way. She doesn't know Dez Bryant like we know Dez Bryant does. Bryant is a very conscious individual when it comes to what he believes. I mean, he's a guy that really wears his emotions on his sleeve,

if you want to be honest about it. But Mickey's right where he came from, Holy smokes Ut on the back there, you know, real quick here about I was gonna mention this later on in the show, but because we are talking about Dez Bryant, if this weekend, if you get a chance to check out than the next Deep Blue, it's called Randy, Michael and Joey the Domino Effect.

And I think you're really gonna enjoy this one, or maybe maybe you're it's gonna make you sick, actually, but it's it's about the Cowboys decision of not drafting Randy Moss, what happened later on with Michael Irvin getting hurt, then having to to go get Joey Galloway, and then what happened and kind of how it's snowballed from there. And I think it does have it happy ending. I haven't seen it, but but the fact of that Dez Bryant, you know, they didn't make a mistake. Again, they didn't

take the risk to go get Randy Moss. But when Dez Bryant was sitting there, whether it be twelve years later, they said, you know, a different circumstances, but still we're gonna go out and dynamically trying to get this guy, and we're gonna, you know, put him in our family, put our arms around him, and he's gonna get he's gonna get better, he's gonna be our guy. And I think that that's sort of what happened there. Yeah, if you guys were both interviewed for it. I took a while,

but Dez got there. And I remember when Michael Irvin told me when they drafted him. He said, you know, this kid is getting criticized for what he's gone through. He said he ought to be hugged and patted on the back for being where he is today, meeting he got drafted by somebody because Michael's point was people that grew up like Dez are either in prison, jail, or they're dead. Yes, uh yeah, I'll say it again. He's

come a long way. Nate the player eighty eight, the guy that's I've been out here running routes, catching balls. He seems like he's taking his game to another level though in my opinion, from what I've seen here. The last I would say, week of training camp in Oxnard and then maybe something this week as well. You think he's ready to go. My my issue always has been withd A is for as a player, and that's what That's how I look at it. That's why I'm not

come in a lot on it on this outside garbage. Sure, uh and man and brought was talking about the death is that he ran a curl route two days agoing out and brought us a nice curl rots. He's running routes, yeah, making hear me talk about the movies on it. I say, when dead, yeah, really hits it. When the light goes off,

he'll start caring about his routes. He'll start caring about coverage, and he'll quit worrying about I'm wide open, Yeah, He'll he'll start worrying about clearing out, going underneath, helping his teammates and boom boom boom, and you starting to see him grow in that way. More than that than just the routes. I think he's been He's talked about it a couple of times this offseason, about eating better, I

mean just just things like that. He said he used to go and he'd eat it fast food, two o'clock in the morning, whatever, I mean, he's really working on that part of his leaning. You see his leaning, so his veins are popping out. Yeah, he's leaning. That's you know, I'm so tired of what's happening out the field. I almost want to give the Jason Garrett I'm coaching who's

on the field. I'm talking about who's own the field, because the way our world is set up today, it's always going to be something going on outside of what we do. And I'm gonna I'm gonna stay in there until we play the game outside the box. I'm staying inside the box, you know, staying in the zone. Yeah. I'll tell you this though, if if for fact that Ezekiel Elliott has to sit six games, you better ride

that racehorse. You better find a way. They're gonna have to find a way to run the football and be productive doing it, because but you're taking a big part of your offense out of there. But I think the one thing that Dez Bryant, when you talk to him, he understands his team likes to run the football that he's on. He's not going to ever have the numbers that Julio Jones and some of these other receivers has.

He's about winning, and so if they in fact have to go that route, I think that for everything that we're talking about right now, he prepared to do that. He's prepared to take this team and all of a sudden take a young quarterback with him and say just keep throwing me the ball. You talk about his health, you talk about his mental makeup, you talk about his willingness to do whatever it takes to win games. I'm willing to bet that it will be fine with him if Zeke has to sit, Go ahead and load the

wagon up on eighty eight and see what happens. You say Zeke has to sit. Jason Garrett said yesterday that he expects Elliott to play game in the dress rehearsal game against the Raiders Saturday night. That would be tomorrow night. I guess no. Week's all jacked up. He's keep track of the days. Yeah, he's gonna play. Jalen Smith is expected to play. So you know this, this will be the best chance to see this team against the good

football team and the Raiders. It'll be that their dress rehearsal as well, So this will probably be the best chance for a couple of quarters at least to see, you know, good football with two good teams with a lot of star players. I'm anxious to see how the Cowboys defense plays against this offense. Physical offensive line, heck, they go against that every day in practice, physical running game.

But really a good young quarterback, you know, another number four if you want to say that, they have to deal with the receivers on the outside, quality, better cover, They make quick throws, ball gets up the fields. So yeah, if they're if they're not mindsets not right, even in the preseason game, even for a couple of series, you know, the Raiders will find a way to embarrass you offensively, So you better figure that out real quick to play.

He's one of those guys that he's been practicing like he's gonna play, and I would I would think that, you know, he got some action last week, so I'm thinking that, Yeah, I think that we'll probably see him again this week because he and they've been kind of regulating him and Mayo also, all right, he got into practice yesterday, right, and you know, Nate and I have talked about this that it'll still be a good test for those those those defensive ends, right, they can do

you know what and and just a little bit deeper let him play. David Irvan love you to death. See you when I see you, Demontrey, see you when I see you. But I want to see guys play that gonna have a chance to play in the first game against New York, it's so yeah, I want to I want to see Charlton get three quarters. I want to see it. Man. I want to see uh, the other little backup defensive in the fifty six Lenny, I want to see. Yeah, I want to see Lewis. I want

to see them play to see if they can play. So, you know, and and I know coaches got to do what they feel is best for that team. But it's two guys. We know it's not gonna be there. Maybe a third with with with with Wilson dam maybe Uh. Let's some magic is being worked that we don't know about. But let's see the guys play. And where are we at with the defensive backs? Where are we at? See,

here's the balancing act they have. On one hand, you gotta get the guys ready to play, but on the other hand, you still got to find out about some guys if they can play, yes, and how well they can play because if you look at the secondary right now, you got your top three guys. Now with Anthony Brown back out there, who's next. Yes, that's where it comes down to it, because the next guy up was Leon McFadden. Right, he's out, He's out. So now we're down to Duke, Thomas,

Sammy Seemster. I don't know, is there anybody? Yeah, yeah, but he has I'm saying about And to Nate's point, I'm okay with seeing Duke and White out there playing the whole time. I mean, in the second I need to figure out which one of the two can make the fifty three. Yeah, and then you know what, and then I'm gonna get one more shot at it a Thursday that you know, to see if okay, here, it was round one, now it's round two. I'm playing these

guys to try and figure out the fifty three. Those guys, I'm met. I understand Scandrick's been nice. Brown can use some work. You're absolutely right about that, But I'm I'm more interested in seeing these younger guys step up, and because I'm trying to figure out there's last few spots. Well, same thing on the offensive line, right, Yeah, we got

six guys that you can depend on. Talking to some of the higher ups around it, you know they like certain guys, but I can't get no consistency in the next three or four guys, you know, I can't get no consistency and how they're gonna play and who they like. So this I think this is the most complete team in the Raiders up top to bottom, and we're probably the most complete team they have played top to bottom.

Because we all agree. After your top uh six five linemen, we like everybody else in the league, we're one linement away from getting injured. And I'm talking about the three big dogs that we have. One of those guys get injured, we are back like the average team in the league. So we gotta you know, anywhere I like the countles, you know, and keep it going. But I'm gonna tell

you this game. To me, it's more five defense, even though Lyle Collins got a MAC the deal with another you know, but this is five defense because this this team, he're gonna run and this scene can throw. So we'll see, all right, Well, we're gonna take our first break here, give us a call. Two one four eight seven two twenty one O two. We will take some calls here. In the second segment, we're also going to play a game called out of the Box. We'll stay with us.

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Newton Brian brought us Mickey Spagnol. I'm Nick Eatman. We got a little bit of everybody from the shows. I got a big event going on here, probably right now on the other side of this campus, if that's what we're calling it. Yeah, the Omni Hotel is having a ribbon cutting ceremony. I think they've been open for a little bit here, but I came in a little late this morning. I'm lucky I found a parking spot, but

I forgot about that. Yeah, there's a lot going on here, right, A lot going on yetel yea it is is definitely a beautiful hotel. Just one of many things that just keep just seems like every six months or so. There's then there's the hospital. We'll be coming up here and partament complex is all over the place. All right, let's go to the phone lines here. We've got Johnny from Salt Lake City. Hey, guys, how are you doing today? I just have a I have a comment, and I

have a question. My question is how important really is it to have veteran experience in that quarterback groop? I mean to me, you have Jason Garrett, who was an ex quarterback. You know, he got Lenahan. That's pretty good at I'm guessing coach to coaching these quarterbacks up, how important really is it to have it there? If you were to keep Rush as your backup quarterback. They did it last year with Dak And I'm just wondering about that how important it really is? And my comment basically

is on this whole national anthem protest. You know, I believe Conn Coppran Kaepernick had every right, you know, stand up for his rights. I just believe that his platform was a wrong, wrong way to go about it. Obviously, I was in the Marine Corps for four years, and you know, I didn't fight for people's rights to be being shot on the middle of the street. But I also didn't do it for people being protests of that national anthem. I mean, that's I just wanted to get

your thoughts. I'm really frustrated. I'm having a hard time getting my thoughts together, but I just wanted to hear his comments about it. Thank you. Okay, let me get the first part of it. I think you kind of forgot another big part there. Wade Wilson played in the league for forty four years and he's been around a while, so that's another one. I do think it matters, though, I yeah, I think that when they come off the field. I think having those those veteran guys in practice, I

think it matters a little bit. He's probably saying, would they be okay if it's just Dak and Cooper Rush. Here's where it matters. If he has to play, Yeah, he's not going to practice. Gets half a dozen snaps a week and then it's like, okay, go save the day. Yeah, that's when the experience matters under center. Think about that. Washington tried it a few years ago with Griffin as the starter. I think Kirk Cousins was the backup. There might have been a veteran in there. I'm not really sure.

I know they drafted Kirk Cousins, but I don't know if there was another one. But that's a good point. I mean, these veteran guys know how to get themselves ready despite not having that. They understand mental reps. But the guy from you know, played in the MAC you know, and wasn't even drafted. Yeah. See, I remember I was part of a team that struggled with this one time

because we did it with Farv, Burnell and Detmer. We had all three were really young quarterbacks, not not many starts with those guys, and Mike Holmgren just said, let's just fight the bullet and go for it. And you know, if we don't, you know, I don't need And Mike had come from some programs where you know, you had Montana and Steve Young and and you know, and various guys like that, you know, guys trying to fill in Elvis gerback and you know people like that. But he said,

let's just do it. Let's just you know, let's if we don't find a quarterback that's any better, let's just go with these young guys and see what happened. So personal departments do struggle with this all the time. They struggle with you know, can we go with it? You feel good about your starter, you feel good about his health. You know, you never know, but Mickey's absolutely right. You don't want to. You don't want to dance with that. Uh, you don't want to dance with that problem until you

absolutely have to. But you also want to be prepared if something does happen. And Kellen Moore is one of those rare players that if they he's a veteran guy for SAE, but he's still eligible for the practice squad. So if they did decide a part ways with him, he is eligible come back and play on the practice squad and could kind of do the things that you would want to help those young guys in the room and not take up a spot. All right, let's play some games, got it? Yeah, Brian, what do you got

for us? It's called out of the box. Out of the box, here we go, and it's just going to throw out questions. Each one of you can answer the question, not specifically to the guy, but I want to know I would not want to cut from this position. Well, I'm thinking about the most difficult position to have to make a cut from on this roster. I would not want to have to make a cut from this position.

Meaning gets so complicated the quality of the player you want to cut Leco Gathers, you wouldn't want to do it. I don't want to do it nah now because he he to me, I think he's a better than nice wide receiver. But we got to give him time the block, and if we cut him and he don't come back to us, would you put him on ir Yeah, in a heartbeat, Yeah, that's that's kind of where I would

I would go that route I put him in. But I like what you say, because I said yesterday I thought the tight end was really the one position I felt the best about on this football team. To me, my position would be wide receiver. I think Noah Brown has done some things that you know are intriguing. I think Andy Jones has done some things. Um, I don't know. If you get either one of them back, maybe you could. Um, you have to look down the road a little bit there.

You know, you've got Daz getting a little bit older, but I mean he's still got several years with him. Bryce is on a one year deal. Um, you know, I'm sure you're gonna have to resign Beasley here within a year or two. I would think so though. That would be a tough position to try to just cut that, cut that down, because you need to just go with five. But Brown or Jones or both. It's amazing, man, h Jones just was lighting it up and all of a

sudden get injured. Yea, and Brown the sides the fumble, he just been he's been on fire. Yeah, he's been on fire. Man. How about uh, since there's a little bit of a cloud over it, how about running back? Yeah? You want want to put Rod Smith out on the street. What you're talking about? That name? You know Ron Smith played played specialty and and and and and I will see this week. Let him run with the second team. Let him well, we don't have a second team offensive line.

We just got first team and then some guys. So let him let him run. That's a fair point. Yeah. Does that? Does that go for the evaluation of the backup quarterback too? By the way, me on the backup quarterback ground, No, I mean the offensive line's inability, right these guys that guy too. Yeah. But the thing is,

you gotta give uh rushed it the ball second. You gotta give him the ball a second because if he continue to do what he does, you know, calling Mike Holroom, let's bike the bullet man and do I'm not about if I'm gonna be in a position to to lose. I'm gonna lose with you know, and this kind of come from Jim. I'm gonna lose with people I cant future with yea, unless Keller Moore it is my future, and that's just the way we have decided in our in our locker room, then I'll go. I'll ride Keller

Moore is as much as the next guy. But if that is not your decision, which I don't know, you know, you gotta get his kid a chance, uh, and not to fail, but to prosper because he's a game. But he he played with four fifth and six teamers and he came above them. So let's see what he can do with second teamers. Next question, right, who is the next Jeff Heath on special teams? Smith? Rod Smith on special teams? Yeah, who's the next Jeff Heath on special teams?

Who's that guy? I'm gonna go with Duke Thomas, bell cow guy. I think he's always ben there first made you wait with Duke Thomas. Yeah, I think I like the way he runs down there. I think he's gonna be a good gunnery. He's gotta make the team. But about Cavon Frasier, that was a good get right there. Good Yeah, kind That's what I was always gonna pick up a fun interception because he'd let you get in mud get you like Smith? You say, Rod Smith? Yeah, I'm rooting for this guy big time. Yes, you can

tell well he's on kickoff coverage. Oh yeah, Yeah, he's gonna be better. He said he will be better. He said he he's gonna be I like what I like. And Jeff Eve gonna he's Jeff Heath too though. Yeah, I'm good with Mickey's answer too. I was kinda think when I wrote this question, I was thinking of Cavon Frasier's who I was thinking of. Okay, next question, what position would you like to see them trade a selection

for Oh, that's a good one election for. I mean what position would you like to see them from another team trade a pick for? Trade a player for a pick? Noe, pick give up? What are your picks? Like? You have the third round pick for somebody else's position you want to go get? Okay, I need I need a veteran back up offensive tackle. Yep, I need it too. So you're saying that, You say, if you you guys are willing to part with a pick, he said offensive tackle?

Tackle or guard? What do you think I'll go with tackle? Because we we we can we can get by a guard. But you know, because Chaz Green right now is both. He's the first guy up on both. If something happened to Tyrone, let's say he is he's starting this week at left guard. He's starting the left guard. Something happened to Tyrone or either my man ull he's that guy, he's he's to me. Now, that's what I would do. But they may want to put uh Bill Edwards out there.

I wouldn't. I You've seen enough of that, haven't you. Yeah, But you know I'm gonna make some people happy with saying that but you're absolutely right, and and doing that is not what is the uh right because now to fix one, Yeah, defensive line does nothing for you there, you can really you're gonna roll with this. Yeah, I'm gonna roll with you there because I don't think we've seen enough of Neil. We ain't seen enough of a

lot of these young guys. You know. Uh, I understand the rotation thing and playing fast and all of that, but some of these guys gotta just suck it up and short show if they want to be on this scene. You know, I think that there's there's a spot to get a defensive tack or defensive vand but maybe not to draft one because if you I mean, I'm sorry to trade a draft pick because you are getting those guys back. Um, yes, no more and Irving so whoever you know you bring in and that's only going to

cause a little bit more issues. I think that I think Mickey's right. I think offensive tackle is is the one spot where you know, it doesn't look like it's gonna get cleared up running back corner. No, you don't drafted all these guys. Think that those guys he brought up a really good he said the word veteran, which is really I mean you trust I'm just asking could you?

But you made that decision. Yeah, you drafted all these guys and now you whether it's in training camp or whether it's slowly bringing them along doing the see, you got to look at them. No, I'm with you. I'm with you. Just gotta get them healthy. Yeah, the problem is you don't know right now. Well you know what the day figure it out. I got the deep rows and some seams, but I agree with Mickey on on

the offensive line. That to me, and that's when we lost the kid to Denver and Freed been retired or semi retired or whatever position he's in right now. That's been my battle cry when we first found out about Zeke in his six game suspension, Nick, tell you they what do you think? Well, I'm murder about left. You know that because with the offensive line, it gives us a chance for if our offensive line is is solid, now, our quarterback is solid. If our offensive line is not solid,

then our quarterback it's not solid. Now we're gonna be like hiss dact the guy because you I don't care who you are. You can't tell the team by yourself. All right, Ryan Switzer, it's going to solve your punt and kick off return problems. He still got a slight hand me. He's practicing now, Okay, limited though, Yeah, I mean he practiced on team during team. Yes, right, it's been catching the punts and kickoff returns. But going in, Ryan Switzer is going to solve your punt and kickoff

return problems. Very catching. Yep. I think I think he'll help. Okay, I don't know. I don't know that it's a problem. I think he helps it. Yeah, your word? Um, I mean Beasley can always catch punts? About can Ryan Switzer is right. I don't think we're gonna give you return him. He's not the kickoff return guy. He's been practicing. Has been fattened though. Yeah, but now if he's got a start, I don't know. That's what I'm saying. They might use

those spots. Are you sure that Rod Smith couldn't take that kickoff and come back with it? I mean, I know he's the safety guy, but give him the ball, big strong guy running right at these guys going on one hundred miles an hour. This team, this team had struggled with kickoff with punt returns last year, didn't they? Yeah? Yeah, bad, badly, badly, and I mean always go with death. Well, Lacy was out there catching a few. I'm surprised you guys weren't

more adamant about that. Did you guys didn't see that as an issue last year? I did. I did become like this dude, I think he'll help. But at the ball that like they get three yards and I mean I think Ryan Switzer is gonna change the field for you a couple of times myself. Oh, he ain't gonna change the field if those guys on the outside don't block better than they do. If if anyone can be better than change the fires, that's what you're talking about.

If anyone can be an improvement from number fourteen, Lance Lenore, that's not the punt returner, are you not? Just like every time he's back there holding your breath. Yeah, he gonna catch it. And I saw it when I saw that Rams game calling that. I saw that ball and it goes in the sun and goes to shadows. I'm like, this is not good. This is not good. Thomas or White for the fifty three at corner? Good Thomas or White?

Like oh, Duke Thomas. I think Duke better. I didn't know much about Duke when all I saw for like two weeks in training camp was Duke getting burned. And then I saw Duke playing the game and he did great. So I'm like, I'm gonna take the veteran gal over White at this point, mark kids white as witching m Yeah, I might just white. He made it. I saw what I saw, what he saw, yeah, camp, and it was he was getting you. You've been, you've been kind of

you've been. I'm not saying shined away, but you've kind of put brakes on Duke talk. I mean, he's had he had a nice game playing the second half and rams who's he playing against? But we'll see this week because he's gonna have to go right, Yeah, all right, we got one more, one more, here we go. Has Noah Brown done enough to keep him on the fifty three? Andy Jones was my pick? But no the kid is

I think kid is pressing. Man, the kid is pressing. Yeah, he's pressing enough to be on someone for the wet blanket. I don't know. I'm just I gotta go short somewhere else. Sure, that's what I'm saying, and I gotta go long on the defensive Well, let me ask you. The suspensions are going to help him on the defensive line right real quick. But you're gonna go long in the secondary. You're gonna go long at linebacker. Yeah, you're gonna go long and tight end and running running back. You may go long

at quarterback. I'm gonna go long at running back. You got three running backs at the fullback. Well, maybe with a suspension if he if he yeah, then he comes back and then you cut mor Yeah. I'm just asking you. How about this? Can rush spit rush? Can rush spit the bit these last two games for you? Everybody's him on the fifty three? Yeah, can rush rush. I'll tell you what. He's got to play better than he's practice. Doubt about that. Yeah, you said it the other day.

It's a little pressure. Pressure is hitting him. Let's see if we can get this phone call real quick before we go to break Tony from El Paso. We lost Tony. Tony can't ask a question. We're talking about Romo. We lost Tony. I won't robo back. All right, Well, let's take a break then maybe and then it opens up the phone line. We'll get and take another call here on this last segment. So we're gonna take our final

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You know what I called her the day and then I asked the question about who's calling the faith on defense. But I think what I was trying to get to is, I know, Mary, he's a good defensive line coach, but calling the plays, it's like a different art. You think said if he's very good at calling the plays, because I noticed that's in the playoff games. You know, we got two weeks to prepare and it was kind of

like that band do great defense. And then when they got ahead of us, then we started blitting me and started working. But we got back in the game. But you know, it's kind of kind of too late. You know, how much you sure about the play calling if he's good at that? And then I want to ask one more question is what's Jason garrets records in the playoffs

as the offensive coordinator and the head coach? And I appreciate you guys time and catch two guys as the offensive coordinator and the head coach or do you want two different roles? So he's one and two offensive coordinator, right, he's one and two as the head coach. One two, one in two yeah, same same record, same record. Yeah. Okay, Now if you look at something to change, Rob marionellis her sorry, Yeah, that it is what it is. They play basic basic defense. They slide guys back and forth.

We've been seeing where they've been slanting the guy, bringing the linebacker feeling and then bringing the guy over the top just to cover for them. So you what you see is what you get. Uh. Well, they just have to play good at what they do and they will go three man line sometime and nickel they will uh do a few things on the back end, but they keep they keep it simple, sir. Everybody falls in love with blitzing. Just because you blitz doesn't mean you get there.

And when you fail blitzing, you're in trouble. So I think I mean calling plays. I assume that's what he's talking about. Coordinated defense. So keep an eye on when they go to their three man front with two linebackers and the linebackers are in the holes, they're in the gaps, and they decide which one of those guys, if not both are coming. So it could be a five man rush, could be a four man rush, but the offense doesn't know,

and they've been practicing that quite a bit. So my guess is they're going to use it along with a three man line with extra dbs, right and less linebackers. Yeah, I think there's two things you need to look at. We all were here for the Rob Ryan administration where it just seemed like chaotic defense calls, getting in late. Ten men on the field, That to me is not a way to play football. This team last year, defensively, was one of the best in the league when it

came to not allowing plays of over twenty yards. You know, they're one of the best teams in the league. When it came to rush defense, was the best, top five in scoring defense. If the way that Nate's describing and Mickey's describing the way to play defense is to play it simple but be sounded doing it. I don't think you should have a fault with that. I really really don't. I do remember the Rob Ryan administration days where ten guys on the field, players looking at each other, ball snap,

Now it's a huge play. Give me, give me sound, give me less flash if you want to say an occasional I think he plays the strength of his players. You know, he realizes he doesn't have an elite pass rusher, so he has to do things to try and help that way. Orlando Scandrick on some slot blitzer I think is always going to be something that he's going to go to. But if they continue not to give up big plays in the game. They give up one big play in the game really against the Packers, and it

costs him the game on third and twenty. Other than that, they've been rock solid the whole year. Elite Collins can grow and what he did last year, that's all the games you need. Yeah's all the stunts you need. Cover three technique is blowing up field and penetrating rum and pass. You're looking at a whole different defense, I promise you. And just hold your breath till David Irvin gets back. Right. All right, let's go back to the phone line. Here

we go, Bill in Shreveport. Hi, guys, how you doing good? Bill? It's kind of a silly question, but I'm want to ask anyway, once you retire like before you did, and Momo, and what is what is the timeline for them to come back? Can they come back at wheel or they have to sit out a year? What is the deal on that one? All right, it's not that silly. I mean no, it's not silly that gets hurt. We'll be

asking that question real quick. Romo hadn't filed this paper shot, right, Yeah, And even if you file your papers like I don't know if Mark ron Lynch did or not, but you just got to remember just because you retire doesn't make you a free agent. So you can retire, and if the team doesn't turn your name in too, because they can put you on reserve retired. Romo was cut, right, Romo doesn't for that, right, Doug Free retired and they

probably put him on reserve. I mean, I know for a fact that, and I don't know how many years it lasted. Tech Shram could not bring himself to give up on Roger Starbach. So even though Roger retired for twenty years, he left him on reserve, retired, he didn't release his rights because then when you do that, then the guy can come back and he's a free agent, go where he wants. So yeah, and then the other thing about retiring is I don't know how this affects it.

Maybe Nate knows. Is when you decide you can start taking your pension, you got a file papers and all that stuff like that. But right, the bottom line is, I mean, once the guy retired, how many guys you know, it's only a few guys that that stop that continued to work out at the pace that they did to maintain the ability to play. So we know why you asked that question. Tony's got a lot of work to do. Brother. Oh yeah, he doesn't look like a guy that yeah football. Yeah,

he got a lot of work to do. If ya, if y'all, if you look at Tony, his offseason body is already in effect. You know, that might be the only position I think you could unretire and get away with it, because there's such a vacuum for quarterbacks. Everybody needs a quarterback, right, So that's why you don't give up on Brett five if he wants to come back and play. But if you're an offensive lineman and you lay out two years, you ain't playing, you know, if

you're a running man. But yeah, right, if you're a running back and you spent two years not getting hit and you're gonna say, yeah, I let me go back and get hit again, I don't buy it. That's why I worry about head coaches that say they retired and then five years later, all of a sudden, the fires burning again. You never come back and work as hard as you did originally. When you're trying. Vermil formil is the one guy that I and only because I saw a football life on him not too long thick for

Meal almost got fired if you think about the Rams. Yeah, yeah, before he won the Super Bowl. Ya, Tony Banks is the only reason I know this, yeah, is because I spent in nineteen ninety eight. I would I saw six Ram football games because I was scouting for Jacksonville and the one place I could get into to watch it was the press box was in Saint Louis, and so they were nice enough to have me there. But Dick vermil really was on his way out. Charlie Army, the

general manager. That's what they made the deal, you know, to try and and and get their quarterback situation squared up. But Trent Green gets blown up. They don't know what they have. And you talk about somebody that doesn't know what they have at quarterback fell into that. They fell right into that one. So yeah, Dick VERMILLI it was very very close. It was very close to him. Was

his offensive Do you remember his offensive coordinator? Yeah? Might have been Mike Martin and Mike was right yeah, or quarterback coach. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah, it was got his name back in the news, didn't he. Yeah, all right, real quick before we end this show, I feel like we kind of rushed that last question or two, especially the one about the punt return. You you didn't put it on the list if you didn't think it

was important. What do you think, Brian about I do I think that I think that I'm just looking for a guy that can change fuel position for this football team. This team was one of the best and offensively of going on long drives, five minute drives, finishing drives, you

know that they were one of the best. And I was just trying to think of ways what if they didn't have to get two or three more first downs to drive just because you get maybe this, yeah, this guy an average maybe ten to twelve yards or return. I'm just thinking about getting one more first down instead of starting at the you know, eighteen, you start to

twenty eight, you know that that kind of thing. I just feel like that they've drafted Ryan Switzer with the intent of pushing him to being that guy to where he can change the field for you. And all of a sudden, the ball's near midfield. You get the ball near midfield, Dak Prescott completes one past Dan Bailey's kicking a field goal. Yeah, that's how this is going to work. Well, I said this yesterday, and you know the West Welkers, the Wayne Curbets, the world and obviously Beasley A. Mendolas.

There's a lot of guys in life that look like them walking around, you know, and they don't play football. I mean, it takes a special person to be able to play at that size and be able to play. Well, we'll find out if he can do it, you know, if he can take these hits and all that and hang onto the ball. And yeah, he looks the part. But I think there's a lot of guys that have come through rookie free agents and stuff that just don't make it because they're not big enough. You gotta remember

his bins and stuff like that. You gotta remember his background. His background in high school out of West Virginia was as a running back when he went to North Carolina. So that's the kind of the thought. He's got a little of that running back mentality when you watch him carry the football, and my experience in him, I mean, you guys don't have the advantage I have of watching him play a bunch of games at North Carolina on tape.

When you see the ball in his hands, he's got that ability that you know, Beasley catches the ball, gets with the cans and get and gets down with switzer Switzers. They catch the ball and then run as fast as he can, and then he'll take a hit and pop back up. But I understand you're concerned about that. I just think that he's got that demeanor of fearless, catch, secure and then go what Parcels used to say, you gotta be crazy to be apartment. Yeah, absolutely, a little

bit crazy to be that guy. And he catches the ball. Yeah. Number one, Hey we had a guy like that, sure, Heybay Desmond Howard. Desmond Howard was not a great wide receiver. Desmond Howard was a tremendous secure catch, secure catch. And what happens is if you get a guy like and Mickey wants the blockers to be better on the outside. What happened when I saw in Green Bay with Desmond Howard is nobody wanted to miss a block. Nobody wanted

to be the guy that didn't spring the run. So all of a sudden, the guy's level of blockers comes up because they're watching the tape and they're like, oh God, you missed that. But if you missed that block, we score. If you make that block, we score. And Howard raised the level his ability to make people miss. Everybody else get their block, and now you're averaging fourteen yards or return. I'm gonna take deon off the table. I think Dion was the best to do it because he was just

so dynamic. But after him, the two guys that I remember as really good part returners for this team were probably two of the slower receivers, Kelvin Martin and Patrick Crayton. They'd catch the ball, goes straight up the field. That's that's yeah, exactly. Don't dance around unless you're Dion, who can dance, dance, dance, find it and hit. These guys go straight up the field that part return. Y'all talked about the Eagles Cowboys ninety one game change the whole franchise.

That game when Kelvin Martin went straight up the field eighty five yards, I thought you were gonna say Reggie Switten. He was. It wasn't bad either, It was pretty good. That's pretty Oh yeah, the used car salesman from Arkansas. Yes, yeah, playing in the AF two AF two a F two signed off the streets. So funny. Starry. We're coming back from a game and he's sitting caddy quarter across the aisle for me and I'm writing and he's looking over and he goes, oh, you got my name in there.

I'm going It was his first game back. They just got a body. He needed a wide receiver. Yeah. I can't remember the guy's name. We went to Pittsburgh. He was a punt returner in preseason. Fumbled a punt and we were flying back from to San Antonio and Mickey I can't remember his name, but whatever his name will say the Smith and he was just like God, Smith, hang on to the ball. Guy is sent right behind him on the bus and he's just looking He's just dead.

He's like five am. He's just looking like, yeah, hang on the ball, careful on those bust to be careful on the bus and then plane. All right, Well that'll do that. Yeah, I think that's a full hour. You know. We did pretty good. Yeah, we were here from the first Yeah. Sorry, looked like a little short. Mike's gonna run over to Omni Yeah, who's winning the fight? Which one Saturday boxing match? Well, no, I don't even care. They asked Sean Lee that question, and Sean Lee said, somebody,

it's the boxing match, right, the boxing match. I'm gonna go with the boxer myself, the boxer, Yeah, can't, can't. What do you think whether Mayweather? Hey, whether are you gonna pay to see it? Is the question? No, No, I'm sure I'm gonna find it in the press box, will tell me what happened. I'm gonna find it. This is what I think is gonna happen. He's gonna hit him so hard that it's gonna get stopped because of a cut over his eye. Mayweather, We'll just continue to

hit him because he's never been hit like that. It's gonna it's gonna be a stopping him. Welcome to the boxing show. Hey, why not? We could do it? We fight in here sometimes a lot, all right for Nate Mickey, Brian Kent, Garrison, I'm Nick even. We'll see you next time on Hanging third Average. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.