Draft Show: 4 More Picks To Make?

Kevin kat Turner. As we are forty nine days out from the NFL Draft in Cleveland, Ohio, and we've got some compensatory picks to talk about. The comp picks have come in and the Dallas Cowboys have a league wide high of four comp picks, and we're gonna talk about each one of those. But first I wanted to just kind of get where everybody's at. It's been a crazy week around these parts. If for those of you that

have been paying attention. Dak Prescott of course signing his long term deal with the Cowboys this week, the press conference yesterday that I didn't actually get a chance to watch yet, I'm gonna be honest with everybody because I was doing college basketball. However, I did hear that it was an all time great Jeff cabanall and it was one that's a classic among Cowboys fans, or it was it classic because it was good or bad? Because I'm no lie at all. I have not heard even a

single word from it. I think Kyle that it was very very clear that Jerry had missed the microphone. He was ready to rock. He was ready to rock. He kept the traditional live of circumcising insects. He had himself a great time. But yes, we now exist in the world where we got cow picks and a quarterback. Life is good, Katie? Is it? Is it really that good? Because now we can kind of look at the draft

board with a little bit more accuracy. And sure, I mean there's gonna be some pieces that fly in here in the next couple of weeks with free agency in the new league year. But the Cowboys at least have that first domino that's fallen. Yeah, And I think the comp pick thing is it was the most exciting thing of yesterday for me. I mean, look, the dack things great, we had I had two days to process that I've looked at these COMP picks and going, okay, we knew

we were gonna get four. We did. Likely one of those is gonna be a third rounder. I mean, but that's the thing that got my trade bones jumping, Like, for instance, m Dane, would you h like to trade seventy five and ninety nine to get up to fifty eight? Would you like to trade forty four and ninety nine to get up to thirty four? Would you like to trade forty four and seventy five to get up to

twenty seven. I'm started thinking about those types of things once the COMP pick came in, because look, Byron Jones, we all question like, should they have signed the Robert Quinn thing? That you got a fourth round pick for a fourth round com pick for excellent Robert Quinn was terrible for the Beers last year. It was two sacks and just beating up and hurt, and it's like, oh,

what a good decision. Now the Byron thing we can question because there's a reason where really scouting these cornerbacks really hard. But that's the thing that kind of got me a real giddy yesterday was getting all those COMP picks in here. I love the wheels turn in there. That's there's So with more picks, the more opportunity. You know, there's a lot more things you can do, and you can get really really adventurous, and you know, it just

opens your options with what you can do. So that's a lot of fun and I'm just glad to be we don't need to be talking about quarterback anymore. And when it comes to the draft, we've been saying it all year here on this Draft show that it's pointless to be talking about these quarterback prospects at ten because that's not going anywhere. And thankfully the deal got done, so you know we can we can stop that charade

and focus on the realistic picks at ten. The one guy that's not even in this Dallas market is the one that's saying that, hey, at least this is over with now, which is great because I think all four of us share that same sentiment. But I love how Dan, even from outside the market, can say, let's just move on. Let's move on. It's done. And you mentioned the comp pick already at ninety nine that was for Byron Jones. Katie, you've mentioned that, So the Cowboys with four top one

hundred picks which is intriguing in its own right. Then round four they have the top comp pick from that Robert Quinn deal Dallas Cowboys, picking at one thirty nine. Then you've got one seventy nine for the Cowboys in round five, and then they go all the way down the list in the sixth round at two twenty seven. Those are the four comp picks of the Cowboys ultimately

ended up with and Dan. Whenever you look at the depth of this draft and you see all of the prospects that could be available in those four rounds, is this a good draft to have a league high in terms of comp picks because the Cowboys didn't have but one last year. And it's also something that you could look at as a huge plus because, like Kat just said, it's draft capital, but also there could be some prospects that are available as well. Yeah, I mean, it's never

a bad thing to have more picks. Um. You know, this year is a little unique because even though I do like the depth at certain positions in this draft, we have to remember this draft class as a whole isn't as deep as maybe some past years because a lot of guys went back to school and it's just it's a little bit of a different dynamic this year.

So now with that said, again, I still think that at certain positions it's a it's a deep group and you know, wide receiver, corner, edge rusher, those three especially those positions are gonna stretch in terms of depth. But you know, I think that it would not. I think what smart teams are gonna do is they're gonna use some of these draft picks this year to possibly even acquire draft picks next year. And so if I'm the Cowboys,

that's something I'm looking at. Um. You know, I'm not not talking about maybe the first or second round, but outside of those, you know, just being a little open minded with how you use your draft capital. It's not okay, we've got you know what, ten picks, Okay, we're taking ten players. You know, it's maybe trading a fourth rounder this year for a third rounder next year, or you know what Kat was saying, packaging two of those picks to go up and get one better player, quality over

quantity type of thing. So you know, there's a lot of different directions they can go. So anytime you have more picks, the better. Jeff, do you think if the Cowboys wanted to this would be that draft because of kind of the uncertainty around these opt outs to where you could be looking at maybe a twenty twenty two draft pick here and there and then shifting back either jumping back down to in order to complete that deal, or do you want to go for it now and

have those darts for the dartboard. So I think it works either way, and I think the fun part about having those picks is correct me if I'm wrong, but four that they just had six picks, You add the four comp picks. Now you have ten picks. Even if you draft really really well, odds are ten dudes aren't making your roster. So it's just a matter of which way you want to go. And there's nothing wrong with drafting ten players or eleven or twelve players and seeing

if you can hit on four or five. But I love the idea of depending what it is that you're looking for, because this is all just gut feeling, right. But we think that the Cowboys would like to have a free safety. I don't know that Richie Grant makes it to forty four, but what if you can get him at thirty six, because now you've got extra picks

to move around. I don't know exactly where each corner is going to go, but like, depending what they do at number ten, I think you could immediately then turn around and go, Okay, guys, let's talk about what we don't think we'll make forty four and if we need to go up, or let's talk about what won't make seventy five and maybe we can go up. And it's just it opens up. I think the possibility of guys

that I think currently exists in no man's land. Like one of my favorite players in the draft, Nick Bolton, the linebacker round of Missouri. I'd love to haphim as a cowboy, but you're not going to pick him at ten, and I don't think he's making it to forty four. But Kat has already drawn us up away to get to twenty seven. If you want to go get a guy.

And we spend a lot of time talking about like Jalen Smith, I don't think we spend enough time talking about Laton Vanderish because that's a thirteen million dollars fifth year option, so that might be a need. They have so much they need to do on defense, and I think the creativity that you're allowed to have. When you have ten picks, it makes the draft board, whether they're

actually going to move around a lot or not. It at least makes it fun for us because we can draw scenarios to get guys that you think fall in the in between. Sorry, well, I just, Jeff, I wanted to get your opinion on now that I mean, we knew we were these camp picks were coming. But now that they are, you know they're here and we know what picks they are. Does that change your opinion at

all about the option of trading back? Are you more likely to stay at ten now now that we okay, we know we have a third or fourth, we know we have ten picks total. Are you are you more likely to stay at ten and say let's just get the better player as opposed to trying to get cute and trying to you know, maybe you know, we could maybe maximize this positioning by getting to two good players. Does that change your thinking at all? It's being cute.

That's the thing about mere good. That's why I grew all this glorious hair is because I like to be cute. I don't know, because where I get torn is I'll tell you my biggest struggle in this draft. When the Cowboys get on the clock, at least according to me, I bet the best players available will be rashaunse Later if he's available, Kyle Pitts, who may not make it, Jalen Waddle, who I'm guessing will be available, the Alabama Watterstrooper.

Like my best players play offense. And I'm sitting here going, Okay, do I just skip over all day and pick one of the corners that I really like. I think it's still actually inviting for Captain train down to Rhyde because see what happens at corner, and I'll pick multiples. You know, I don't mind if I'm picking one in the teens and then I pick another one in the second or third round. So no, I don't think it moves me

either direction. My problem remains the same that at ten, I feel like if I'm picking a defensive player, I'm not picking the best player available, and that hurts my heart. Yeah, I kind of was thinking along the lines. And first of all, I'm glad you brought that up about Vanderesh because we've talked so much about Lyle Collins and maybe Tyrant Smith's injury problems like he lay in Vaanderesh has those as well, and you know he's very much a

question mark, just like those guys are. I do think if Slater was the pick, or let's say maybe it was Pinastaol or let's say if offensive tackle or even offensive player was the pick at ten, like I do think that makes me want to keep my picks and have three more top one hundred picks been on defense.

Whereas if I don't go offense at ten and I take a corner, let's say we take Farley or Certain, That's where I think I'm more likely to maybe go get aggressive and say, oh what can I can I pair these two together and go up and get married or Richie Grant or another cornerback that I'm in love with. I feel like I'm more more willing to trade if I do go defense in the first round, because because defense is the immediate thing I have to have, I would like to have an offensive tackle. I can skate

by one more year without drafting an offensive tackle. I wouldn't recommend it, but like I can do it, you can't do that at defense. So like to me, what you're saying you have makes sense, Like what happens at ten determines how aggressive I'm gonna get with those picks. But to me, I was thinking about this real hard.

I was like, would you rather have three top sixty picks or four top one hundred picks, because that's what you have if you trade ninety nine and seventy five if you bump those up, that goes inside the top sixty. So three top sixty picks or four top one hundred picks. And I think it's probably for me three top sixty picks probably, But you know, it's the old age, old question. Show me who I'm drafting, and then I'll answer the question. Yeah, put them on the board. Tell me who's on the

board with those Yeah. I admit it's a cop out answer, but like it's it's something to think about. It is something to think about. In the Cowboys will certainly be looking that direction. They could use those picks maybe on some defensive lineman. And we were gonna talk defensive line on the Tuesday show with Bucky, Brian and Dave, but a little bit of big news kind of hit instead, and there was a quarterback that signed a big contract, so we kind of pushed the defensive line aside. Plus,

I think this is a great group. They'll talk about defensive line because well, it's not necessarily the first or second round where those guys are being mentioned. Sure, there's the Christian Barmore's of the world, and maybe Tyler Shelbyn from LSU and Levi aon Zerique from Washington, But ultimately, if the Cowboys are going to draft defensive line, Dane, it's probably gonna be in the second, third, fourth rounds if they're gonna try and spend any kind of extra

premium to pick on that position. Yeah, and I think, I mean, there's not a defensive tackle in this class that's a lock top twenty five pick, even Christian Barmore, who you know, I think is probably the clear favorite to be the first defensive tackle drafted, but he's not guaranteed to go top twenty five, maybe an even top or even the first round. So it's just a it's an interesting group, and I think it depends on what

type of tackle you're looking for. You know, you've got a guy like owns Erricke, who's you know, a violent, more of a one gap guy, or the USC kid Tya Popolo. I don't think I said that right, But that's okay, you know what I mean? Uh, you know he's he's he's better as a run defender. You know, I don't know much juice he's going to give you as a pass pass rusher. Um, you know Davean Nixon, he's more of that one gap guy who is a really good athlete, just you know, needs to learn how

to be a better football player. Um. You know Tommy TOGII is a high floor type of run stopper. You know you wonder about, right, you wonder about how much better he can be as as a pass rusher. Is he just kind of you know he is what he is just a a stout, you know. Um, you know two down player Elim McNeil, another guy who is explosive and you know, I see a lot of Javon Hargrave there. But again you wonder about what's the value there in

terms of second down, third down. Um. So this, this defensive tackle class is really interesting because there's a lot of different options, a lot of different ways you could go, and I think you could find decent value in the third round, similar to the way they did last year with the Oklahoma kids. So, um, you know this this

defense tackle class. Even though you know it's not strong at the top in terms of first round, second, third, or fourth round, you know there's there's plenty of options, and these teams are gonna to do their homework, no doubt, it's a bit of a sweet spot for defensive line. But Jeff, whenever Dane already mentioned it, you've spent premium picks on interior defensive linemen each of the last two drafts.

You talk about Neville Gallimore last year out of Oklahoma in the third and then the year prior, Tristan Hill out of UCF at the second. Are the Cowboys even remotely in a position to be able to spend another top pick, top one hundred pick on a defensive lineman and interior defensive lineman after they've already kind of established that they're trying to build that around those two guys. I think so only because I think rule number one in team building should be what we've done before doesn't

matter now. I think there is a question to ask if you could do what you want to do on the defensive line better. In free agency, I think there's a good group of agent guys out there. They can step in and be a starting nose tackle for the Cowboys. But you know you spent a first round pick on a linebacker, the thirty fourth overall pick, and a second contract on a linebacker, and those guys didn't play well

last year. So if I'm the Cowboys, I think I think I'm really prioritizing not necessarily a Nevill Gallimore or a Tristan Hill type, who were more of those one

gap guys that Dane's talking about. But I'm looking for the two gapper and I don't know, Dane named a guy like the USC guy, And there's a t in there somewhere that I think you missed, but I'm not gonna get it right either, but to to give or take um, but like, yeah, there's I think there's some guys in this draft that really interest me in that. And teams are on the NFL are going to value obviously the pass rushing guys more, but I think the Cowboys that are in the unique position that I want

them to add the big body. I want them to add the nose tackle because I think it gives your linebackers a better chance to play well. And it's just a matter of what do you realistically think you're going to hit out of a rookie nose tackle or should you take that a different direction and say, oh, Dalvin Tomlinson's a free agent, Hello, here's some money and fix it up that way. This is a part of the year, like if you're you know, you're watching tape on these

guys and you're searching for positions. But sometimes, at least for me, and I know Dane's seen you know, way way way more, But for me this time of the year, it's always fun because you're finding guys who might be six or seventh round gym, so they always pop up. It feels like we always fall in love with the

one technique late in the draft. But we've spent so much time talking about defensive tackle, and I do think it just needs to be kept in mind that, hey, if you can find a defensive end that you might like a little bit better than Dorance Armstrong and Bradley and I it's the age old thing that we've did that we played with Sean Lee for years. Is like you should never go into a season banking on Sean Lee to be there. All right, Well, I would say

the same thing about Randy Gregory. You know, I love Randy Gregory, but they're banking on him to be their starting defensive end, and I'm not sure that's a great idea. I want him there. I believe in him, I think, I mean, I hope he's the guy, but I think we all know it would be a little bit foolish to just assume that Randy's going to be there. Um so like that sort of very unavailable will no longer

make him unavailable? I hope so, But the NFL is weird, and I don't trust Again, I'm gonna trust the policies, Like I'm the guy who doesn't think Randy should have ever missed time. Uh like, so it's it's it's it's always it's always a strange, strange thing for me, like on that conversation, and I know it's always always makes me sick when people are like, oh, so, I know that's ridiculous, like you don't even know the situation. But like again, banking on him to be there because of

the league, because of everything involved a bad decision. So I'm looking at defensive end too, so I don't Dane on the Athletic put out to two articles this top twelve defensive tackles and defensive ends. There's also some guys you know who played defensive and sometimes they were the three four. They played defensive end, but you know, maybe their best role is mumping inside on pass rushing downs and playing inside. Um. You know, I kind of like, oh,

Diggi Zoowa, the UCLA guy. Oh so Diggi Zoowa and you remember his brother from a few years ago. So like, there's guys like that, and I think can be found on Day three, but maybe it's early day three and oh yeah, we got an extra fourth, fifth, and six year out pick yesterday. Now, I think the guy that stands out to me um a defensive tackle that's just so intriguing as Tyler Shelvin at LSU UM. I mean, this guy, I once scout tell me that he could

be Vince Wolfolk if he wanted to be Wow. And so that's just what it comes down to, is just understanding where he is mentally. Um, does he have the motivation to do that? Is it something that you can coach into the guy? Um? If not, then it's a non starter, and you know, you move on. You know, if you just decide that he's lazy weight is going to be an issue with him and you just move on.

But if you think that there's something there in terms of a spark that you can light, he's really really intriguing. I think because of his issues, he's probably gonna be there on day three and out of you know, there might be a good value pick if you believe there's a chance he could pan out, you know. And Katie mentioned this a little bit ago, but I like the point he brought up about edge rusher because edge rushers kind of with all of the knees. I mean, Jeff

said it earlier when we were talking about compics. You could go anywhere from the Cowboys defense and find a hole to fill. It could be linebacker, it could be corner, it could be safety. But edge rusher is kind of one of those that you have kind of written off and put on the back burner at the moment. But should be should we really be doing that if you're looking at this Cowboys roster because Randy Gregory, like you said, and I'm not even really worried about the off the

field affecting his on the field stuff. It's more of the fact that he missed so much time. Is he going to be consistent enough to be a good starting edge rusher in the NFL. I once again, I think he can be. However, that's not a certain and it never is a certain in this league. So where's the sweet spot for edge rusher Dane? Because once again, it's not gonna be a first or second round pick. Most likely.

It depends on how the board draws, and of course the way that the Cowboys want to shift around if they wanted to shift picks and whatnot. But where is that sweet spot for edge rusher if the Cowboys wanted to look that direction, much like how they might if it's interior defensive linemen, Well, it's probably that that second round pick, because you there's a good chance we don't

have any defensive tack or defensive ends. Go and say the first fifteen picks, Okay, so you know, let's look at the top eight or nine pass rushers in this group. You know, you've got Augillary and Quittipey and Jalen Phillips and o Way and Rousseau and bash him and try on Osai. One of these guys is gonna fall to

forty four, you know, probably more than one. So you know, I think that there could be value there with whichever one of those guys falls, and then even in the third round with a guy like Rashad Weaver from Pitt or Patrick Jones his teammate at Pitt, and in the fourth round Chauncey Golston. So second, third, fourth round, there's going to be some pass rush options. And you know it might be where there's a player at safety or corner that they have rated higher that might be available.

But I think second, third, fourth round there's going to be a pass rusher available at that point that's going to at least make them stop and think and consider them at that point, Jeff. And it is so to Dane's point, like when you asked, like what round is the sweet spout, in my mind immediately went to the exact same pick because I don't think you're gonna pick one at ten, because I don't think there's one that's

deserving of the tenth overall pick. And will there be some in this class that we'll look back and be like, oh I should have been picked at the top ten. Sure, maybe it's just a matter of figuring out with one. Basham is a name that is really intriguing to me. Jalen Phillips is a name that's really intriguing to me. That's Wake Forest and that's Miami, and it's just a

matter of, you know, how does this board fall. And it makes me think, because I've seen the Cowboys do this before, that I can almost draw this map of how this draft goes that if there's not a lot of moving around that get ready for Patrick Certan or Caleb Farley at ten and at forty four, if the right safety is there, maybe they do like maybe you go a different position, but I really feel like it lines up that if you want an edge guy, forty

four is the spot. And everybody may have different favorites for that, and dan Quinn may have different favorites for that. But the two names for me which are my edges three and four is Jalen Phillips and Carlos Basham, which one if one of you gets there, I think they're absolutely worth the pick. The positions so important. That's the thing is, even if you feel like I'm rock solid with Tank and I like and believe in Gregory, I want four good edges if I can find them, and

most teams don't have it. But just you know, between your depth chart and just the positional value, how important it is. I think it lines up pretty well at forty four, and it's where what they do at ten really does change the way you think about the draft, because what if it is let's say it's a slater the tackle from Northwestern at ten, and you're there, well,

that's what you're thinking. But then they're like, oh man, we didn't think, you know, bash them or Ronnie Perkins would be there or you know, or something like that. And let's say they like the guy and they go

defensive end at forty four. It feels like if that happens, then they might might get aggressive and pair seventy five and ninety nine to get up to fifty eight and get a corner, because I know there'd be a lot of Cowboys fans freaking out if you had gotten through two rounds of this draft and they still haven't drafted somebody, I would be freaking out. I feel like that would cause a little bit of chaos surround here. I think the other pass rush I want to throw out there, Uh,

Ronnie Perkins from Oklahoma. I think that you know this. They went defensive line from Oklahoma last year. They could do it again. On day two this year. Um, I think he has a lot of things that say Cowboys, including a six game suspension for testing positive. But uh yeah, he's Uh, I believe it. It was just a field drug test, so it's just a little THHC in there, I believe right. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't care less. So, I mean this guy's got he's got length, he's got power,

he's balanced, he can free himself from blocks. Um, you know, he was really productive for OU, So I think he could be a name that's on the radar there at forty four. Well, then I'm gonna throw in a name because I like Peyton Turner at Houston. Just super long, versatile, a little bit of tackle, a little bit of end, knows how to use that length. He's uh, he's got it. I think I like more than others. I've got him as like a second round guy. Am I too high? Dane?

Is that too high? No? That's uh yeah, I've got a I got a late too on him, So I mean I'm pretty close. I mean he's What I love most about him is he makes some plays that he has no business making because his effort is consistent, the motor doesn't quit and you'll love to see that. And I think you're you're right about the versatility he can kick in and you know, reduce inside on third downs. Um, you know, maybe he's your new Crawford on that defensive line.

There's a lot to like about Turner. While we're throwing out names that we like, I know you guys talked about this earlier, but I have heard rumblings that the Cowboys do like Tommy tom Guy out of Ohio State. I know you guys just talked about him a minute ago, and I threw an inn in his name that is not actually in his name. It's I think it's to Guy. Is that it Dane? Is it just Tommy Toga toy Togy? Okay, so there's like an e, but that not actually an

E tokey? I Tommy Tokey. I. Yeah, I've heard him. I've heard rumblings the Cowboys do like what he puts out on film. So maybe that's somebody they look at. Where would he be sweet spot? Is that a third fourth round guy? I think third round, mid third round. I think right where right about where they're picking. And you know he's that one technique, you know, he's he's stout he's his strength out standing. He's also got some

flexibility to him. I mean, he was really the defensive MVP of the Buckeyes that late run they made this year. In the Big Ten Championship game against Clemson, he was outstanding. And then he didn't play in the national title game because of because of COVID, so uh and you could tell his absence was definitely felt in that in that contest. So a lot to like about him. I don't know how much pass rush he's gonna give you, and so

I think just understanding what a strengths are um. You know, he's a dominant run stopper who has a little bit of upside as a pass rusher. While defensive line might be a sneaky need for the Dallas Cowboys, tight end might be a sneaky need for other teams. And if Kyle Pitts falls to pick number ten, could the Cowboys trade out of that pick for a team that wants to go up and get the Florida tie. And we're gonna talk about that scenario and a couple other things

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the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Onto the second segment, we go Draft Show presented by Miller Light, Kyle Yomen's Dame Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, and the Great Kevin kat Turner. Time now for some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the twenty Chris Beam on top of things back here in the SWBC Mortgage studios, and we've got some good questions to start off. And the first one that I want to get to is the one that I teased going into the break, and this comes from Ernie. He

says Kyle. If the quarterback falls to pick number ten. Oh wait, excuse me, I'm looking at the wrong question, Ernie. I love your question. We've answered that before though on this show. If the quarterback falls to ten, who could trade down? But base basically the same question, but with Kyle Pitts. We've talked about some of the teams that

need quarterbacks. We've talked about some of those trade down options potentially for the Cowboys, like the Colts or the Bears and things of the sort along the way that could be trying to come up and get a quarterback. Are there any teams, Jeff, that you see a little bit further down the list that would be really interested in coming up and getting Kyle Pitts if he should fall to pick number ten, I should want Kyle Pitts.

And that's the only thing I struggle with about Kyle Pitts is just battling kind of history, right, We're like, hey, we're the great tight ends in the league come from and it's like, oh, I'm not in the top ten. But I can't hold that against him. He's a monster, He's a stud. I would just pick him. Answer. Yeah, I've accidentally fallen in love with Kyle Pitts and Jalen Waddle, Which that's what I do, right, I want to pick Yeah, it's just that they're they're both unfair, they're just the

mismatch that Kyle Pitts is is incredible. Yeah, just pick him, Like sure, yes, there are other teams that I think would be interested in him, and it's all of the teams. So like, could you trade away from Kyle Pitts and get some value for that? Maybe not like quarterback value. You're not gonna hold somebody up, but man, everybody should want Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is a he's a rock star.

He's a freak show. When I go to twenty twenty two, there's a good chance Michael Gallup is not on this team, and there's a chance that Blake Jarwin's on this team. So what's the point, I mean, what's wrong with having Kyle Pitts on your team? Then? Like, I know we all think immediately, and we should, but we also did just sign our quarterback to a pretty long extension. He's

gonna be here a while. Like I understand the idea of like, oh, we gotta go for it now because we haven't been to a championship game in all those three decades. I understand. But Kyle Pitts is not stopping you from going forward. Oh no, he's not. He's not. So like, let's just, you know, take the good player right there. So I ain't mad at him. I know there's gonna be a lot of freak out if that does happen. I'm mad at him. You take the guy who's awesome. Yeah, there is no question that's I'm not

trading away from Kyle Pitts. I'm not gonna beat that guy, you know, I mean, I think, I mean. Jeff's point is, uh, you know, it's it's factual. We don't see a lot of tight ends drafted top ten pan out the way that you know, the you would expect. But I just we'd never seen a guy like Kyle Pitts. That's not hyperbole, you know, like we we just we don't see guys like Kyle Pitts very often. His athleticisms, ball skills. I

just it's it's rare, and he's getting better and better. Um, you know, like, uh, in high school he was he was not like a pass cat. He was a quarterback and defensive end. He wanted to be a tight end. He had actually transfer schools to a place where they let him play tight end. He wanted He was playing quarterback and he wanted to play tight end. He wanted to be Jared Cook, he wanted to be Eric Ebroun. Yeah, Hill, and well, I mean he's a smart guy. He knows

where his strings are and so. But the high school that he transferred to, they were basically a power run team, so he was blocking more than he was catching the football and then you know, didn't too much as a freshman at Florida. Last year, as a sophomore, he had like six drops. I mean, you saw the talent, but

it was you know, flashes more so than consistency. And based off of flashes, I still he was I think the eleventh overall player on my board coming into the year this year zero drops, and we saw just a polished pass catcher, a polished weapon. So he's getting better and better and that's kind of scary. So yeah, I'm if somehow he's available at ten, I'm drafting him and I'm feeling great about it, and I'll figure it out.

If you miss Kyle Pitts with your throw, like if you have a really bad quarterback and you miss five I don't know, eleven yards, he'll catch it. It doesn't matter where the ball is, it doesn't matter. We all just talked a big game right there, though. I want to do a quick exercise, and it may sound crazy since we're all at different remote locations. Kyle away in as well. Yep, I'm gonna count us down three two one, and then you're gonna yell out the player. You would

take it ten. If it's Slater, I'll even throw Pina Sul in there, so we're having fun. Slater, Seul, Pits Wattle, Certan Farley three two one Pits Slater. Oh, I guess if you threw Seul in there, I would I would pick Seul, but Slaters it would be offensive tackle there for me, I think out of the bunch. If if it's all those players, huh, you dirty dog. You didn't play the game, I said, Pitts. I just kind of

said it, not loud, but I don't know. I didn't feel like, well, here's the problem with the kat games. Kate T's games and game shows. They're always great, but the rules get sworked squarely on you and you don't give prep time because like Sewel and Slater are both those two and Pits they're all probably for me. If you eliminate the quarterbacks, they might be the three best

players in the draft class. I mean, yep, you're not you If you told me they picked Pinay Suel, Rashaan Slater or Kyle Pitts, I would say, you're gonna have a lot of the fan base it's like, what the hell, man, when are you gonna fix the defense? And I would just go, well, they picked a dude that deserves to be picked in the top ten, and you're picking a guy for a half decade maybe ten years, So good pick. Like, you're not going wrong with any of them. You're not that.

The top five players in this draft non quarterbacks for me are Sewel, Chase Pits, Waddle, and then Slater, So yeah, I'm with you. To me, it was a a top five player and then after that it's you know, maybe Farley. So yeah, the top five players in this class non quarterbacks are those five guys, and probably none of the five will be there for you a ton. Oh what a jerk. Probably it's a good chance, but hey, you know what, that really works out because it takes the

pressure off the Cowboys. They're just like, all right, we can take certain and feel fine about it. Yeah, that's trude. We're not skipping over somebody that we love. Yeah. Yeah.

Because as if any of those five guys falls and you don't take him, and then you take the guy that you're pretty much supposed to I guess, or that you've been pigeonholed into picking, which is Patrick's Utan or Kay Lafarley, then you're gonna look at the other guys down the road, and man, man, what about that guy Kyle Pitts that we could have had, but instead he's going along and playing really well for I don't even know who the team is directly behind the Cowboys at

this very moment. But here's another question, and I just go for Oka saying we need to do another show, because I'll go eleven hours on how Jalen Waddle doesn't move like other people move. Jaylen Waddle is Oh my god, I'm like he's going to be a New York Giant at eleven Oh No, You're just gonna have to hope he pulls a hamstring or something. Because I saw Jalen Waddle Labama receiver get covered once and it's because they ran a bracket with a deep safety and one of

the bracket guys held him like that. You can't cover Jaylen Waddle and the acceleration, the speed, the change of directions. And I'd say, what, I don't even think he's a very good route runner and you can't cover him because he just moves different than everyone else. It's not fair. He's a lot better route runner than he was last year.

I think he's really improved. But yeah, he's he's more he's like hesitate and go like it's mostly just physical and it's and it's, oh my god, it's incredible that work. I mean, just the threat of his speed has defenders just like, okay, what do we do? What do we do? Okay, I gotta I gotta play off, I gotta okay, I gotta jump on his first movement, I gotta. I mean it just it. It creates doubt in the minds of corners. It's great, but I mean, honestly, I don't know does

he make it that far. I don't know if he makes it out of the top nine picks. Because he is that good. He belonged somewhere in the first in the first nine picks. So we're picking three quarterbacks in the top ten, three wide receivers in the top ten, two offensive tackles. What would that be. That's tight picks

right there. That's say four quarterbacks, four quarterbacks go top nine, and then you got, uh so five more picks and if it's sewell, Chase Pits and Wattle Slater and then well then let's say those four and then you've got and then that last pick before comes down the Slater Farley. Maybe Parsons, I mean, really, that's realistic for the top nine. You know you're looking at You're looking at Sir Tan Slater Farley. I mean that we've been kind of talking

about those three all along. But Parsons, if the Cowboys will do it, I would tell Parsons, which honestly, I mean, I know you guys aren't as excited about him, But as long as I'm comfortable with the character, um, I'm yeah, No, I don't sound I don't know enough about the character too. Um. I mean, we we've we hear things secondhand, and so you know, we don't know one hundred percent. But if I'm a team and I'm comfortable with the character. He's the top ten talent. Easy for me. Um, let me

ask you that is this? Uh, if the pick is certain, are you excited about that? No? But I'm comfortable. That's I think that's the perfect way to say it. Like, because I'm not gonna be sitting there like high five in people like we did last year when ceedee lamb. I'm not gonna be toasted beers and and and throwing a celebration or running to the star and back. I'm gonna be saying, Okay, that's a good pick. I mean,

that's a pick that we made. And now let's move on and let's try and fix this defense a little more. That's a pick that's one we may I feel fine about. Let's let's say, don't go back to like the realistic option. Just say I don't think the Cowboys would do the whole pits thing, but they might, but like the realistic

options of offensive tackle or cornerback. Like I listened to the Draft show on Tuesday, it was a good fight that Bucky and Brian and Dave were having about well, what would you rather have that second round group of cornerbacks or that second round group of offensive tackles, and I think I would rather be in the mix with that second round group of cornerbacks. So I mean, if Certan's the pick, I feel fine about the flexibility that

it gives me for the rest of the draft. But I think I would be more excited about maybe Rashawn Slater and kind of trying to revitalize that offensive line and then getting one of what I could do in the second round. But then again, I'm more excited about drafting Kyle Pitts just because potential to be the best player in the draft. Soe, Farley or Slater, you have to take one of those team players at ten. Can't

you take Slater? Thank you? I haven't. I haven't grated higher, but like it's close Slater, Yeah, I mean I think Slater. So for me personally, I think Farley is tantalizing talent, but I actually think Farley's a risky pick. I think in the top ten. I think in the top ten if I picked for Shawn Slater, you'll have some people

who are questioning, like, well, not the prototypical build. But I would just be like, guys, I picked a stud left tackle for the next twelve years, And I think the way people talk about Pinay Soul, they should be saying Pinay Soul and Rashawn Slater. I think that's how good I think he is. Wow, that's I mean, that's a high praise because Pinay Soul and we've talked about this previously, and I know, Dane, one of the first shows that we did, you said Pinay Souls the best

non quarterback in this draft? Is he still that guy for you? Just really quickly? Yeah? For a twenty year old, what he's doing out there is just silly. But I really do like Slater as well. I mean, he's he's a bona fide top ten pick in this draft and a really good player. And if that's if that's the pick of ten, I'd be excited if I was a cowboy. Gosh,

isn't this so much fun? Being able to make these conversations and not have to throw quarterback potentially in the mix or put it in the back of our mind. I love this. We mentioned that I got to think about Trey Lance now, that sort of athleticism, He's got the big arm. He could be Decks understudy for three or four years and then you can cut him. That's not what I was expecting you to do. That was funny. So Katie specifically you were talking about that second round

group of corners. I want to Aaron Porter asked the question, and we'll take a break after we talk about this. But Elijah Molden out of Washington strictly a slot corner or could you potentially see a shift to safety because I know the Cowboys have looked at him as a safety in this draft just from conversations. But is there a chance that he sticks a slot corner because of how talented he is there, I don't see why you would want to move him from the thing that he's

awesome at. So, like, you know, that's where I'm Elijah Molden. Um, he's from Washington for this that don't know five ten about one ninety. But I mean, look, he's on the field all the time for me, and I'm not moving him away, you know, from from slot corner if I

don't have to. Now the thing is like to me, like late in the year, they started tinkering with the idea of and I know we have a new coaching staff on defense, but they started tinkering with the idea of putting Jordan Lewis at safety, and I'm like, why did you guys start working on that years ago when Jordan Lewis couldn't get on the field. So but the idea that they're looking at guys to potentially play safety is encouraging because again, as we know, this regime is

not taking safety terribly seriously over the years. But I think I think if you're drafted Elijah Molden, you're taking him because he is the best slot cornerback in this draft. Black into discussion, That's what he is, and I don't I don't have any reason to really move him because that's a very valuable position. He could be the best slot corner unless you just want to move our Darius Washington in there. But I like Molden. I think he

could play safety. And the reason I think that is what jumps out to me about Elijah Molden is just that he appears to be incredibly, incredibly football smart, like the positions that he puts himself in a lot of the zone stuff that they do. He's gonna follow the quarterback's eyes, he's gonna have a really good idea what's happening, and he's gonna go get his hands on the football, so I can understand it if you want to. But I'm also with kat the spot where he lined up,

he played it really, really well. But I do love the way he plays when they're running their their zone, where he's just kind of drifting out to where he knows the ball's gonna end up, and it does. He's a beast. Moulden's awesome. I mean, instincts are off the charts, the way he can quickly process, very coordinated, he breaks on the ball to make plays at the catch point, and then his compete skills are off the charts. So do you wish he were bigger, longer, maybe had a

little bit more twitch to him? Yeah, you wish he just he had that. But you know, you know he's got some Buddha Baker to him, you know, to make a Washington connection. Wow. And you know, Buddha Baker is one of the highest paid safeties in their league. So there's a lot to like about mold and he's he's a top fifty player in this draft, and so he should be in the conversation of forty four. I like it. Flexibility options never a bad thing, I don't think whenever

it comes to players like him and whatever. You know, the talent is there, and then he could also play a couple different spots and maybe fit in where you need him and then hey, we'll figure it out from there. So I like that idea overall. When we come back, let's do some tell me More's a couple Twitter on the twenty questions kind of lingering over guys just wanting to know more about certain prospects. We're gonna rapid fire some prospects when we come back and conclude some things

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Cowboys dot Com app. Got some questions kind of raining in in terms of tell me more's in this draft class, and our friend Dustin gave us a whole list of guys, and I think this is a good thing to kind of exercise from here and here and again, because we do mention a lot of names on this show, but it's nice to get deeper into some of these guys. So we're gonna start off with a couple of his potential names. Jamar Johnson, free safety out of Indiana, Dane Wick.

Can you tell me about what Johnson brings to the table, because, like we said, safety could be a very very intriguing need for the Cowboys now that these comp pics are here, Yeah, I like Johnson in the third fourth round range. He's only a when you're a starter, m but he was really productive this past year at four interceptions, did a nice job finding those passing lanes. I do question about his want to his his toughness, his discipline as a

run defender. Um, I want to see him, you know, kind of he's a little choosy in that area, but in terms of awareness, in terms of range, in terms of ball skills, I think he could be the interchangeable safety and nickel that you're looking for. Anybody else have an opinion on Johnson? No, sir, you do, but I will tomorrow. Yeah, hit me up tomorrow. I'm about that life. I know you have an opinion on Divine Diablo though out of Virginia. Ten. Let's go, let's go, let's go.

I know you have that guy guy um and by hate a strong word, right and by hate, I mean has him lower than me, which means say hate him. Um. I was surprised when I watched the Divine Diablo tape, which that's the best name in this draft, first of all, and I think it's it's just it's not normal to see a six three, two hundred and twenty seven two thirty pounds safety. But he played the position for Virginia

Tech really well. Like I think his awareness in zone coverage, Like, as a guy of that size, you're not going to ask him to, Hey, let's play man coverage on a slot receiver. I think that's a danger zone. But I'm watching him like, man, this really really big safety. Like he runs fine, he moves well, he's tracking running backs in the run game. He can move, he can tackle. He made a really nice read where Trevor Lawrence never even saw him coming as a backside safety to pick

off a ball against Clemson. I like Divine Diablo like I would, I would be Okay. I think what's gonna happen as a lot of teams are gonna be like where's he playing? Like is he gonna be a linebacker? Is he gonna be a box? Say he's not a free safety, So I really like him, but I also acknowledge the what exactly are you doing with him? You're either doing box safety or you're gonna say, all right,

I'm turning this guy into a linebacker. But he's one of He's one of the my favorite guys I've watched, and I've got him as like a if you're letting me make picks, I would pick him somewhere between the mid end second round and they're in the third round. I like him now, he's a gamer. I guess where I'm at on him. As kind of that same discussion is if I don't immediately know what I'm going to do with the guy, then how high can I take him? And it just leads me to the to the very

friendly boat. I'll just let someone else have him and we'll go to war with him every once in a while. I've got him in my fourth round of mix though, you know, like I've got him in that mix of guys who I like. I know he'll definitely help me on special teams. I'm probably grooming him to be a strong safety, but maybe he is a linebacker. I mean, it's not uncommon to see linebackers two hundred and twenty five pounds. I do think he's a pretty reliable tackler. Um,

you know my issues. And I know he had four interceptions in twenty twenty. So the tape that I saw, he wasn't asked to play in space much. And I know he had some snaps at free safety, but you didn't see him play in space enough, and to see it and run and things like that, that just it just wasn't encouraging for me. So you know, again, I don't I don't hate the guy at all, but he is a Day three guy for me. But you know, fourth round you need a safety, maybe a guy that

can play a linebacker. Maybe you've got a plan for him. Nothing wrong with the pulling the trigger on that guy. Yeah, And I kind of went the opposite way than Jeff where I when I watched him over the summariz, I this guy maybe a top one hundred guy. I like him. And then then where I watched it a senior. I don't know, I kind of walked or backed off that just a little bit. Um. I mean I still like him, you know, as a fourth fifth round guy somewhere in those mid rounds, Um, I don't know. I just I

want more explosiveness at my safety position. I want more, um, you know, kind of what Katie was saying, be able to play in space, have the recovery speed to make plays. Um. Now I think he's you know, he's kind of tailor made for that. Um you know, like a box safety, that robber scheme. Um. You know, he could do that really well. But he's just not gonna be a fit for everybody. Another name. What about Jordan Smith defensive end out of U A B. The Blazers having Jordan Smith there?

I believe he was a transfer right Dane Florida. Yeah, he got into some some trouble there. Um. Oh yeah, trouble guy. But you know he's really really talented. If he's got length for days, um, and he's still figuring out how to use that. Um. So there's he's a little bit of an older guy. He's already or he's gonna turn twenty three in April, and he's still a little bit of a developmental guy. And so, um, you know,

where do you play him? He played in a three to four at at Ua b Um, you know, is he gonna be a hand on the ground rusher for you? Can he play off the ball. Is he a sub package guy? I don't know. I think he's really really toolsy. I know that length, athleticism. You know, he's just scratching the surface of what he can be. But he still needs a lot of work, you know, and you know, for where am I going to be able to draft him?

I don't know that I would draft him in the first two rounds, but after that, I think you'd consider it. Anybody else knows. I think Dane probably had a great scouting report and I can't wait to watch. So what I'm gonna do is other than my guys, I'm just typing down names so that I can watch him. It's gonna be amazing. This is good. I like, this is a good exercise. Can I throw out a name too? I mean kind of the toolsy, you know, a Pastorsher type of guy. Where are you on hammocah Rashed Junior

from Morgan State. Yeah, he had such a ridiculous twenty nineteen season. I think he was he led the nation and tackles for a loss more than Chase Young. Um. I he's another tweeter, you know, like he's he looks like he's probably a three to four only guy. Um he's he's a little tight hipped, he's a little stiff. He's more of that face up pass rusher. But you know he's a signmon sound. He plays physical the point of attack. I like his attitude. I just think he's

a sub package three four outside backer. You know a guy that's gonna you know you want on your depth chart, but I don't know that you know, you necessarily want him as a starter or kind of key piece of your defense. So quality depth guy somewhere probably in those mid rounds. It's pretty wild. Fourteen sacks in twenty nineteen and then I mean obviously twenty twenty was shortened, but

zero sacks in twenty twenty after fourteen sax season. It's just like, yeah, just kind of when everyone in dradar and now I watched and you're watching his tape. I was like, I've got I've got fifth round on him. So Jeff, I got another guy to add to your list. Uh and Katiano's telling me if you come come on, Simi Fehoko wider Fiver at a Stanford You know, you know how I know his name? How's that? Because I didn't have ta going Uh ucf corner in my first

two corner, first two rounds. So he DMS me and he said no going. And I was like, hey, I hadn't watched twenty nineteen UCF yet, hold on and he was like, watched the Stanford game. Here you go, so take go and wants me to watch this guy. Yeah, Wow, Joko's interesting. He's he's he's long, he's rangey, he's a little raw for a guy that's already twenty three years old.

He's he's a two year mission guy. Uh, you know, religious mission and so that kind of you know, he's a little bit of he's a little bit more work for an older guy. But man, he's watching UCLA tape from this year. He had a ridiculous game. He's a fun player to you know. He's a Day three receiver, but uh, you know, a guy with him upside and a guy that could end up being a better bro A couple other names. What was that, Katie? Oh about some guys that we haven't talked to about kree Uh.

Troy asked, what about Milton Williams, defensive lineman from Louisiana Tech. We do love our law tech bulldogs here in Dallas, of course, Xavier Woods, a six round pick. Out of there any any extra insight on Milton Williams. He actually Troy said that he saw him mocked by CBS to the Cowboys at seventy five, but hasn't heard anything about him. I don't. I don't think he'll be there at seventy five, to be honest with you. Wow, Um, I think it's a good, good bet he goes somewhere in the top

seventy five picks. Us Was he on my I think he was six my six defensive tackle? Uh? Yeah, Yeah, he's he's really interesting player. He's he kind of blew up this past year. I mean he was good as a sophomore. Um, but this year is when he took it to another level. I love the team in tax for loss, in sacks. He he's there's some there's some Michael Bennett to him. You know, he's he's got that inside outside versatility where you know he could play either spot.

He's he played about two seventy five, but he's up to two ninety right now. Um. Love the way he uses his length. He's got some flexibility, He's explosive. Love the effort that he plays with, so he could be a three technique you could play. I mean, this might be your Tyrn Crawford with the way he plays so big fan of Williams, and I think somewhere on day two is going to be where his values at. I could be right in that sweet spot for the Cowboys.

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