Cowboys Break: WR in First Round?

are live at our homes. We're not the s WBC Mortgage Studios, but we do appreciate them for sponsoring our studio. But I got Nick Dave Amber here with me. We're talking Cowboys football. If you guys for the next hour, glad you can join us today. We got a lot to get into. We're gonna talk about this new virtual offseason that the Cowboys and the rest of the NFL will be kicking off here in April. We have some

mock drafts. Nick and Dave both put together mock drafts through seven rounds that will let them dive into and give us some feedback on what they think the Cowboys will do. And then we're gonna continue our position analysis. Today, we're gonna talk about the wide receiver position. Lots of things to talk about there. How's everybody doing today? Good? Great, good, good good. Let's jump right in. Let's start with this

virtual offseason the Cowboys at well. The NFL announced this week that teams will be able to start their virtual off seasons. Tell me how that works. I think April twenty is the date the Cowboys can start. What does that look like? What is this virtual offseason going to look like? I think there's an emoji on your phone that kind of goes like like that. Like I don't know, Like I really I don't know. I have no idea.

Dave might have a better answer, Amber might have a better answer, but like, I just think they're gonna try to do certain things as closely, you know, to what they've done before, and maybe you know, have meetings like this and Lisa get the guys to understand the playbook. But I have no idea how they're able and they're going to be able to do this. It's gonna be different,

and hope hopefully everybody kind of understands that. Yeah, I mean, i'd laughed when Derek asked the question, because how on Earth are we supposed to know for sure what it looks like. Um, just reading you know, the league's release and having listened to some interviews with Cowboys players about it, I assume it's gonna be a bunch of extensive zoom calls,

for lack of a better term. Get the coaches probably, I would assume, buy position group and offense and defense, get them in there and go over the install for all the different parts of the offense and defense. I think there's a stipulation that probably my favorite part is like for players of a certain experience range, teams have to provide like up to fifteen hundred dollars for workout equipment.

So if you remember we talked about that last week, Like, if you're not this big money guy with his own home, Jim, how do you work out? Well, I guess the Cowboys are going to send you a both lex. So that's that's pretty great as far as I'm concerned. But I mean, it's anybody's guess exactly how this is all going to work. I hopefully they can get something, you know, meaningful out

of it. Well, it did sound like from some of the reports I read that as you said that players can get this fifteen hundred dollars Stipe in that the league or that the teams will provide them in order to get workout equipment, but there will be a classroom part of it where they'll do those on zoom calls, it sounds like. And then there's a workout part of

it that. Again, all of this is voluntary, as it would be if the Cowboys were in the facility, but if players choose to do the workouts to physical workouts, the teams can request as well that they would have to have monitor that they could have monitoring equipment that

monitors their workouts. A little bit so team because I think, you know, for some of these players, there are parts of their contract where they get workout bonuses and the like, so I think some of that's included in this as well. So it looks like there's both a physical component as well as a classroom component to this. Again, still going to be left up to the team to figure out how exactly it works, but it sounds like there are kind of these two components that players will have the

option to be a part of. Honestly, I don't think it's gonna be that bad. Obviously, this is something that's definitely not ideal, especially when you're talking about multiple people being involved. But me, during this time, I've been taking classes online and it hasn't been bad. And I've been

doing workouts online and that hasn't been bad either. So given the situation of everything that's going on, honestly, the whole process of it, once they get it going and it would take a few days to get it cost him.

But I think it can be done pretty well. And you know, I'm not necessarily concerned like these guys learning the book, you know, the new book and then doing their workouts, as long as they stay committed, because it takes a lot of commitment of you actually going through it and doing it, because when you're at home, it's totally different than being in person around people that are doing it with you. At the same time, nice humble

brack about bettering yourself and going to school age. Really, I'm I'm very impressed because I haven't been doing anything. You're not doing that. No, yeah, I'm doing that day bro. I actually Zach Martin at Oh, I'm sorry. Zach Martin actually talked about this like last week. He went on one of the NFL radio shows and talked about how they were setting up the the you know, the frame for them to do zoom calls and getting all the

technical bugs worked out. And Zach is really smart and diplomatic, but I swear he caught himself because he was about to say He's like, if this was the same coaching staff and the same exact scheme, this would basically be easy. He didn't say that, but I like, that's what he meant, is like, if you're not transitioning over, there's not that much to worry about if you're a veteran player. So

it is a little bit concerning. Like even the Zack Martins of the world, the All Pros and the Pro bowlers, like they got an entirely new language and system to learn. I'm sure guys like that are up to the challenge, but I don't think it's gonna necessarily be easy on anybody to try to learn a whole new way to play, you know, remotely. That sounds annoying. I mean that's a really great point because and you guys tell me, I mean, how many players are left on this team that have

known anything other than Jason Garrett. I think maybe Latticser and Sean on Lee lp Laddiser that's it right at it.

If it's not, it's dark. I mean, so so when you start thinking about it, from that standpoint, everybody virtually on this team is going to have to adapt to a brand new coach, a brand new uh well, I don't know, want to even want to say brand new scheme, because I do think if if coach McCartney mcartney thinks about all this, he may decide that they may want to keep doing some of the things they were doing before now with these circumstances in place, just from the

standpoint of being able to keep some continuity without having those guys in the building. I mean, they do have a lot of guys too that weren't here that they've been with other teams. So I mean, I don't know if yeah, I mean, you guys said one or two players that have you know, known a different coach, but you know that there's just a lot of new new

faces here. So it's just gonna be kind of messing a lot of guys in here when you look at every position other than maybe you know, running back, but every position is gonna have some some new guys, some some new faces in here, So you know, I think that that's going to be the key to this whole thing, is getting everybody united on the same page. And you know, we talked about the offensive line. Man, I would like to have Travis Frederick right now in a situation like that.

You know, I think he's a what he had two degrees or whatever. So if anybody knows how to study and communicate and all that, I think, you know, he's gonna be missed at least for this offseason as well. Yeah. Interesting thing. I think back before all this happened, there was a lot of conjecture about Dak Prescott and whether

he would be showing up for offseason workouts. My question for you guys is do you think that or what do you think he will do in this instance, since since it is virtual and doesn't even really matter, how much would the Cowboys miss him if he doesn't take part in these virtual workouts this offseason? I think so, I think they would miss him, and I think he

will participate. I mean I don't. Yeah, I know he needs to take a stand and he's trying to negotiate and all that, but um, I think you know, I haven't talked to him or anything like that. I don't I don't know, but I would imagine that if you're going to be the leader of this football team in all situations, especially one that's turned upside down like this, you need to be there. And I hope he understands that he needs to be frontline, front and center. Uh

you know he can. He can. He has a contract, I mean that he can sign and they can pay him what thirty two thirty three million dollars. So I think he needs to be there, and I would be I would be disappointed in him if he wasn't. I said this on Twitter yesterday, Like I do. I think it's important regardless. I think you need your quarterback there learning the new you know, the playbook, learning the differences in the offense, getting FaceTime with the coaches, you know,

being part of the workouts, being bought in. I mean that is that's one of Dak's best qualities. But I just can't bring myself to get worked up if he's like not not on a zoom call, you know what. It just it just doesn't feel the same to me as like being in the weight room and like, you know, rallying guys or like being in the meeting room, Like I mean, I'm sure at some point during this quarantine, like you've seen a screenshot of a college or high

school class that's on zoom. It's like thirty little pixelated boxes of people all sitting in front of different backgrounds. Like, I don't know, it just doesn't feel as big to me if the quarterback is not part of that as it would if it was like a real life environment. But what would he be doing having a party? I mean, what would he what would he be doing other than this? I mean, like that's the weird part about money. But Nick, here's the thing though, It's like with him, this happened

last year. You know, he was trying to look for a contract, obviously didn't stick it out and went ahead and went through the offseason, went through training camp and was there, was patient and all that, and then you get to this point where he still hasn't gotten what

he wants necessarily. And then when you look at other guys, Zeke, when you look at the Marcus Lawrence, obviously different scenarios, but to me, it looks like, Okay, maybe this is the only way for me to get what I really want, is for me to kind of hold on and not participate in these kinds of things, even though it might hurt me later on, you know, but sometimes this is the route that you need to take in order to

get what you're looking for as far as a new contract. Yeah, I kind of agree with you, Amber, But I'll say

this too about what Dave said. I just think it still does matter that if he's not there, because I just look at it from the standpoint of any business right now and any group of people that typically work together, it's even more important right now that those leaders step up and bring the group together, whether it is in those calls, whether actually doing team related stuff or just on his own as the leader of this team, being the quarterback, is he pulling his offensive guys together, is

he pulling the whole team together and just kind of making sure that everybody's holding each other accountable, that we still need to be getting our work done, we still need to be communicating, we still need to keep our

relationships intact. Right That's what leaders do, and so him not being there I think does matter, and I think it certainly is going to matter in a time like this, maybe even more so than when they are actually face to face, you know, And I'll add to this, and I think you guys are right about standing his ground and all that, but he also needs to remember this is that you know, a wide receiver who's not on the same page as you can make you look bad Roma.

That happened to Romo a lot early in or early in Dez Bryant's career, and other receivers as well. So it does. I mean, I'm sorry, Dak still needs to play at a high level. I mean, even if he just plays on the franchise tag. So this is an important year for him because if he takes another step back or a step back, or however you want to look at it, then the money that he's looking for

is certainly not going to be there. I think everyone would realize that Jalen Smith got the money when he was supposed to last year, because if he doesn't do that and he tries to get a deal this offseason, I think his price value would have been a lot different. So it's very important for Dak to have a great year and being a part of these offseason workouts it

virtually or not, I think it's important. I'll say thing about go ahead, I just I think Dak Prescott cares too much about being great to not work like he's he's going. He's going to put in the work like he's whether whether it's socially advisable or not. Like he's been working with receivers over the last few weeks. Probably should do less of that for the time being, but he's putting in the physical work. Stephen Jones said yesterday

he's got an iPad. They send him one for the install There's no way he's not going to use it. Like he cares too much about being good to not work at it. Whether that means he'll log into these full team activities, I have no idea, but one way or another, I trust him to get the work done,

even if he does it mostly on his own. Yeah, that's also the issue though here is I think for a quarterback, probably more than any other position in the sport of football, it's very difficult to do that in isolation. You can do the work on your own of learning it, but it's pulling it together with all the other parts. It's pulling it together with the offensive line when it comes to making adjustments to protections. It's pulling together with

the wide receivers. And the running backs and the tight ends. When it comes to routes and making sure everybody's on the same page what they're gonna do. I don't think he can really do it as well in isolation as

maybe another position could do it. And that's going to be the rub here, and that's always the rub when a player decides to hold out or to not take part in activities that are in the off season for contract response, for contract reasons, it's probably the good thing for them to do for their leverage, but at the same time, it can't hurt them on the field. And we'll see just how much that affects Dak if he

decides to not take part in these offseason workouts. The annoying thing is that, you know, if everything was normal and we were at the Star, we have ways of finding out who's there and who's not there. But good luck doing that when everything's happening over the phone. I mean, I have no idea. Well, maybe I can tap those and get some information with well, if he keeps hanging out with a certain wide receiver. He likes to tweet everything, so then you know the point, you'll get to see

what he's doing. Good point all right, hold on, Derek, you think it is interesting, Daks we need to get des on a team, not the team, not this team, but eighteen. Well, I don't. It might have been a Freudian slip, like I don't. I don't know if he was purposefully trying to do that, but um, it was interesting. It was interesting that he said a team and not this team. Oh well, what do you guys think, Dave amber I pointed that out last week when we talked

about this. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. He's He's got the type of voice that if he really wanted that to happen, he probably could make it happen. So read into that, which you will. You see, when Dak speaks, he tries to be very political correct, you know, like he tries to be very neutral. So a comment like that, I wouldn't read too much into it because it's coming

from Dak. Now, I want to talk to you guys one thing, because I've seen people kind of still asking about the contract situation with Dak, like what happens now until when does he have to sign the franchise tag? And as far as like if he doesn't sign it, what happens the tag deadline is fifteenth at three pm

Central time. Once that deadline passes, you cannot negotiate with the franchise tag player, Like, even if you wanted to give him the contract, you can't do it per league rules, which is why if nothing is agreed to by then Dack will sign it because it's better to have thirty three million guaranteed than nothing. So they've got until July fifteenth to hammer something out, and if they don't, then he plays the season on the tag or I mean, he could pull a Levy on Bell and not play,

but I just don't see that happening. So that also means that the likelihood of him missing training camp is probably not there. It's not the same kind of situation as maybe what they faced with Zeke, right right, Yeah, not training camp, but I mean, we'll see how we wants to play it. But there's nothing forcing him to be part of any of this offseason stuff, right but yeah, by training camp, who're gonna do We're gonna go ahead, in fact, sorry, yeah, go ahead, right, let's go ahead

and take a quick break. We're we're gonna take a break. When we come back, we're gonna talk a little bit about the mock drafts. Dave and uh and uh Nick both put together mock drafts a full seven rounds. We're gonna let them go through those and tell us a little bit about what they what they think the Cowboys will do, and then Amber and I will tear that down. We want to continue to let you guys know and encourage you guys to stay home, stay strong throughout this

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Let's go Welcome back to the break. We are live from our homes. SWBC Mortgage is still our sponsor, but we are all in our homes doing the break today and we appreciate you guys taking some time to talk to us about Cowboys football. We're gonna get into some mock drafts. Nick and Dave, as well as a couple of other writers on our website, put together their own seven round mock drafts. We're gonna have Dave and Nick run down their picks. So here's how we're gonna do this.

Nick and Dave, I'm gonna have both of you go through and tell me your seven round pick, your seven rounds, I'm sorry, all the picks in your seven rounds, and then we have a couple of questions we'll ask for each of you regarding your seven round mac mock. I'm sorry. So let's start with you, Dave, give me your seven

roun ounds and the picks that you met. Okay, this it really stresses me out because, in my opinion, the Cowboys, they say they've done a really good job in free agency, and they did all right, But I just there's a lot of holes that need to be addressed on this team and only so many picks to do it. So I went with Grant Delpit at picks seventeen. In retrospect,

we made these picks what a month ago? In retrospect, I don't feel great about it because I just don't trust that the Cowboys value the safety position enough to spend a top twenty pick, But if they wanted to, I think you could do a lot worse than Grant Delpit. He's got ball skills. I know people are worried about his tackling, but he's a turnover machine. He's a versatile player. He can play in the slot safety, probably even do some linebacker. So he's my pick at seventeen, and then

the quarterback situation terrifies me. I think pick fifty one is a good spot for cornerback. There's five or six of them that would make sense in that range. I picked Noah Igbanogeny out of Auburn. I think he's a great man corner. He's got really impressive athleticism, handled a lot of the best receivers in the SEC, and did a great job with it. Pick eighty two little bit of a curve ball, because every draft has one. Like offensive tackle is not a crazy need for the Cowboys.

But if a guy like Sadiq Charles out of LSU's the best player available at eighty two, could get yourself a heck of a swing tackle and a potential air to either of your tackle spots. I think that's good value. I think the Cowboys need to come out of the first four rounds with a wide receiver. I went with Michael Pittman, junior out of USC almost won the Blitnikoff

Award in college last year. I don't know how realistic it is in the fourth round, but as long as they find a receiver in the first four rounds, I think he could contribute in an early stage. I think Michael Pittman absolutely could contribute early. I rounded it out with my Day three picks Dan Jackson out of pitt cornerback. I would love it if they doubled up on the position. Um,

he really impressed me at the Senior Bowl. James Lynch out of Baylor's a big, beefy d lineman that that we know that they've talked to, they've shown interest in him. And then I think, you know, like we talked about last week, they probably need a depth linebacker. UM, you know, not necessarily a starter, but a guy that can bolster that depth chart. So I went with Sean Bradley out

of Temple in the seventh round. UM. I don't feel great about a lot of the names, but if they came out of the draft addressing all those positions, I'd feel decent about it. I had a couple of questions for you on that one. Dave talk about the cornerback Noah and I'm not gonna butcher his last name. Tell me how he good anyway? Um So tell me how he played against LSU and Alabama because obviously there are first first round wide receiver projected first round wide receivers

on both those teams. How well did he perform against those two teams in particular? Honestly, that's what sold me on Noah is And I don't say this because I'm a Homer. You can go watch the tape. LSU embarrassed a lot of dbs this year. Trevon Diggs out of Alabama as another cornerback that is in consideration as a first or second round pick. A lot of people don't like him, and I swear it's completely because LSU just torched him. I mean, he couldn't do anything with LSU's receivers.

I thought Higbanagen he played really well. He manned up on Jamar Chase, who was the bulit and a coof Award winner last year, did a really fantastic job with it. LSU only scored twenty three points in that game, easily their least explosive performance of the season. A lot of that it's because Auburn's pass rush is so legit. Obviously the Cowboys could use some help there as well. But Igbanogeny again, like they put him out there on an island against those guys, and he held his own. His

parents were track stars, He's very athletic. If you were going to draft him, I think you would do it with the idea that he would play a lot of manned defense. You know, he's not a can't miss prospect or else he wouldn't be targeted in the second round. But I feel good that he could contribute at an

early stage of his career. The other question I had for you is on Michael Pittman, junior wide receiver from USC Can he play the slot because that seems to be the position where the Cowboys really needs some help. I mean, I'm not gonna say he couldn't, but I don't view him as a slot receiver. He's a big bodied outside guy. And yeah, I mean, I'm with you. There's a dozen slot receivers that I think make more sense. But think about the fact that Amari Cooper and Michael

Gallup can both move inside and outside. I think back in the day you were kind of hamstrung into pigeonholing these guys because guys like des b Is that him? What's that? Is that him? Number six? Right there in the middle. I clicked away from our feed. Sorry, yeah, yeah, I guess it is. I mean he's like leading the cheers there. I mean, I don't want him to step on Amara Cooper's role, because that's exactly what Amark Cooper is going to be doing, is sitting in the middle

of the receivers like that. He was actually, uh, Pittman was one of the finalists for Jason Witten's Collegiate Man of the Year award. Like he's done a lot of stuff in the in the LA community. It seems to be a really hard Is that going to be hosted this year? Where's that going to be hosted this year? I don't know. I'm just derailing the whole thing. Sorry, I was about to say, you're just ow I got the toilet paper? You good? Were I haven't brought out

the toilet paper. Yeah, it's over there, so all right, all right, I am paying attention to what you're saying. Okay, I'm sorry Pittman's Pittman's not a slot guy, but Cooper and Gallup can both play in the slot, so it doesn't bother me as much, although there are other receivers that I think fit better here. Okay, Nick, let's jump into your your mock draft. Give us your seven guys. Yeah, you know, I just like Dave. I take a safety there at seventeen. I don't know if I feel great

about it now. Xavier McKinney at I've Adlabama. I probably would rather have delpit I think. But but Xavier McKinney just because he's like on the cover of the magazine, I guess that for us that I guess McKinney is too. But I don't know just because Delpitt's he's he's been a better college player, because he's been a two time All American, and I would rather have him. But I think McKinney, uh, you know, he's got some good size

to him as well. So if they go with the safety, I don't think they can go wrong either one of those two. But when we do the next mock draft next week, I don't think I'll be picking Xavier McKinney, and I doubt that Dave will be picking delp It. But in the second round, I went Cameron Danceler or cornerback from Mississippi State. I know that Christmas Shard's not here anymore, but I still think that they're going to

probably go with that bigger corner. Al Harris was a big corner and I think Danceler kind of fits that role, kind of tall and rangie. Third round, Texas Devin Duvernet. I just think the speed track guy that I've been looking for for a long long time. I think he would be a perfect slot guy, good punt returner, kick returner. The fourth round, I took the Missouri tight end, and that's what I'm gonna call him. I think they call him Albert. I'm not I'm not even gonna even an

attempt for the last name. Maybe Dave's got that one, but you know, just just give him some depth there. In the fourth round, they tried with Dalton Schultz. I don't think that really worked out, and you know, I could see them maybe taking another stab at it. Blake Bell is going to be the second tight end, but maybe a fourth rounder would work. Evan Weaver in the fifth round if he if he's there, I think he's

a productive linebacker at CAL. I took Telvin a game from Arkansas because you have to take an Arkansas guy. But I just think he's he's a he's a big defensive tackle that that's doing. You know, he's kind of taking advantage of the fact that he wasn't invited to the combine to the last minute and he had a really good, um, I'm sorry, Senior Bowl, had a really good Senior Bowl there. And then in the seventh round, just took a corner Reggie Robinson from Tulsa, Like Dave said,

doubling up on a position of need. If you can get two corners out of this, I think that that will be good. Yeah. I see that both you and Dave went defense in the first two rounds. Are you guys convinced that this is going to be a defense heavy because if you take defense first two rounds, to me, regardless of what you do the rest of the draft, it becomes defense heavy. Do you got your guests convince

it's gonna be defense heavy this year? I think we're all convinced on this show that it's going to be defense heavy. Yes, I know I Amberfield absolutely and they need it. They need it. But I have a different question. You both said that, well, you both went for a safety on the first round, and that was a month ago, and you said that you don't necessarily feel the same as of right now. So therefore, what would be your different pick at this moment that you think the Coboys

would go for. I'm a thinking receiver. I don't know. I think Dave has got me brainwashing into thinking it's going to be a receiver. But ironically I'm not even saying that. But well, no, no, no brainwashing me to think that that's gonna be the best value. That that's that's where it's seventeen. That's that's where the best guy's gonna gonna be. And you know, when you think about it from a standpoint of you need three receivers to play, and he will be a starter. I mean, Randall Cobb

was a starter. I why not drafted a wide receiver there? I mean, I do think they need defensive h you know, playmakers, but I just think the value is going to be their receiver. It just depends. It's oh, go ahead, Derek, sorry, good, no quick, But it's just it's really hard to pay, it's really hard to peg how the picks like ten through seventeen are gonna go. There's I mean, there's there are three receivers that would be worth running to the podium to draft at seventeen. I don't know if any

of them fall that far. How many offensive tackles go ahead of the Cowboys and push other players down the line? Same thing with quarterbacks, like are there going to be three drafted in the first or you know three or four? Is Jordan Love gonna be available when the Cowboys pick? If one of those three receivers is there, I agree with Nick or Mate, you know, you could talk me

into Justin Jefferson easy. But the name that I just, the name that I keep coming back to is Calvan Chason and if he's there, his upside and natural talent, plus the fact that the Cowboys desperately need edge rushers, it just makes too much sense for me to ignore. But that's where I have the question of I think I've heard more. I've heard more potential downside for chas On than I've heard for either Judy or Lamb. So that's where I start wondering, is this a situation where

the value of what you can get. I have a hard time thinking that a Judy or Lamb, and I like Rugs too, but but I really think Judy and Lamb, if either one of them is there at seventeen, I'm hard pressed to think that any other player that's there at seventeen is a better talent than either of those two guys. And I still believe personally that the wide receiver position is a position of need for them, just like defensive end is. Because right now, who you're going

to run out there in three wide receiver sets? Because I don't think they have that guy right now. I completely agree with you, And further record, if CD Lamb or Jerry Judy is there at seventeen, that's who I would draft. I don't really think that's plausible. They're both way too good, I agree. And there's two I've seen wide receivers fall sometimes. Yeah, I've seen I've seen wide

receivers fall sometime. And I think in a draft like this one where everybody says, man, you could get a wide receiver in the fourth or fifth round that may

be a really great player. It does make me wonder if teams will say, hey, I'm gonna go ahead and go with something else in the first round and see how far I can go before I have to go with a wide receiver because I think I love a guy that I can get in the third round who might be just as valuable to my team as if I were going to spend it in the first round. That is, it is the ultimate test of like best

available player verse, do you draft for need? Because I feel way way more confident that Jerry Judy or Cede Lamb will be a productive NFL player than Caleb and Chase on And I also feel way better trying to trot Alden Smith and Randy Gregory out at right ind than I do trying to work with what they have at receiver three right now, like they have essentially nothing. So I'm with you. Can I give my prediction of what I think is going to happen? Though, Yeah, I

think at seventeen we've seen this. I've seen this twice since I've been here, and I see it happening again. The Cowboys get to seventeen, the Utah State quarterback right Jordan and love Yep, I think he'll be He'll be there, and I think Jerry will be on the phone trying to talk to somebody, maybe the Patriots, to see how bad somebody wants to take Jordan Love and try to

move down and try to you know. And I think that when a guy, when a team is going to get a quarterback, they pay a little bit more, don't. I'm not saying I'm not saying trade this year's for next year's one. I'm not saying that. But I could see them, you know, maybe moving back a little bit out of that spot there's like collect some picks. Would

you guys be disappointed in that? Especially if there's talent like let's say Chase On and one of those receivers is available at that point, would you guys be disappointed if the Cowboys moved back now? Because what if you move back to twenty five and still get Delpit or McKinney or one of the safeties you want, and then you picked up an extra second or third by doing so.

I mean, you gotta see how it plays out. They were crucified for what they did in two thousand and thirteen and to take a center and ended up being arguably the best center in Cowboys history. So that's gonna be the interesting That'll be the interesting thing for me though, because obviously the pick worked out, but that was a bad trade, Like the Cowboys didn't get nearly as much as they should have because they wanted to bail out of the pick more than anybody else wanted to come up.

So if Jordan Love would be the player in question, they could stand to get a lot more out of the trade, which would be a lot more exciting. I would be disappointed if they traded away from one of those three receivers, because I think that's worth the pick. But anybody else, I mean, I doubt it. But Jason could fall to twenty four. It's possible. Um, And even if he doesn't, Yeah, at twenty four, you feel way

better about drafting a safety. There are other receivers you could consider at twenty four, whether it's Jordan Jefferson or excuse me, justin Jefferson. There's so many Jefferson's, Um, there's other cornerbacks, Jeff Gladney, you probably feel decent about taking in that range. Like I feel great about my options in a trade back, especially if I add, you know, a second or third round pick to to my draft hall. I watched the TCU receiver Jane then Rager and I thought, man,

he would fit. He seems like he would fit perfectly in what they're trying to do. But I mean, yeah, he's a local guy. But I mean, but I just got not so much at seventeen. But maybe if you move back, but if they really know what they're trying to do though, Like that's my thing. I keep going back and forth on what I'm used to seeing from this seem under Jason Garrett and then now with Mike McCarthy, Like, like what side of the ball do they value more?

Does he value more? You know? Like what does he feel that he needs to make stronger? You know, because some teams prefer having a heavier defense versus an offense, and then some others go with offense. And based on what we were able to see last year with what Kellen Moore was able to do with the offense and

making them number one around the league. So like, I don't know, I still feel although they need a wide receiver for sure, I still feel that they can still make it happen without necessarily drafting a receiver in the first round. And maybe so again, this is a draft that has a lot of receivers in it. So maybe third or fourth round is a place where they feel like they can get a guy that can come in

and immediately start at it in the slot. I mean, you guys know how much I have affection for Duvernet. There are other guys like that that will be available in later rounds that you could bring in and be an im media player for you. So maybe that is the to go. I just feel like when you're talking about Judy and Lamb specifically, those two guys, in my opinion, are talented to the point where you're getting a steal if you get them at seventeen. And I thought, that's

where I feel like you just get. You go for the value at that point more so than you go for what you what you may think you need more. I thought we had a really good mail bad question a couple days ago about that, and it was saying, you know, why do you have to go get a Cole Beasley or west Welco or Randall Cobbs slot guy. Why don't you just get a wide receiver if on third downs, if Amara, Cooper or Gallop can slide inside

to play that that they can. But I mean, go get you a good wide receiver doesn't have to be five eleven, one eighty. And I thought that was a good point. I mean, we think about that, but but you know, if you just need three wide receivers. And he's right, the guy that asked the question, because Amary Cooper can play in the slot and so can Gallop. So I thought that was interesting that, you know, DuVernay and all that would fit perfectly and Jalen Rigor. But

if the guys six four and two twenty. The guy I'm thinking of is Iowa State. Is he in this draft? Dave that was last year? Last year? Whatever? They all run, but run together. I'm thinking Lazard or something. Yeah, oh no, that's the guy plays for the Packers. I know, yeah, Butler, But I'm just thinking of a really big go getter, you know, Dez Bryant type guy. If he's there, Hey, he could be the third receiver. Yeah. And I'll say this, I don't think they have to get a slot receiver.

I do think if you get somebody who's really good at it, like Duberne, then that still would be good for your team because you can still leave those guys on the outside. So I don't I don't think you have to do it that I agree with you old hardily. You don't have to, and that does give you some flexibility in what you might decide to draft here with at the wide receiver position. But you do need a punt returner. You do need somebody that can do that.

And they've watched Pollard how to do it. Teach Tony Pollard how to do it. You'll be fine. Um, I'm fine with that. The guy, the guy you want to go watch nick is Leaviscas Channault. Um, he's your big body guy, and twenty four would be Yeah, twenty four would be fine. Maybe a little early, but not the end of the world. What are you gonna say? Is he a Dallas take guy? Yeah, local guy. He's a DeSoto guy. Yeah? Oh yeah, which yeah, another thing I want to talk, I know, a brainwashing and you guys

are really switching my thinking over here. Like I've been stuck with defense since forever, with the freaking safety position, and then now cornerback that's also an issue. But I gus sorry, just think I got in this argument with Neuis Scrugs on Twitter, like last week, think back to twenty seventeen. They fixed the defense in one fell swoop, and I mean like they did a decent job. I mean they found three starters in that draft, but they draft did Taco. They drafted Cheeto, Jordan Lewis, and even

throw An Xavier Woods. What did those guys do as rookies? Like they played and they contributed, but none of them was in every game starter. You know, they had Xavier Woods playing nickelback just because injuries forced them to. Taco

was rotational at best. Injuries kept Cheeto and Jordan from being full time contributors now at Like, so even if you go all defense, what are the odds that you're going to hit on guys that are just ready to go right away, as opposed to drafting a third receiver who has two eleven hundred yard caliber guys taking the pressure off him. Allah Calvin Ridley in Atlanta two years ago, who had eight hundred yards and ten touchdowns as a rookie.

By the way, I just think if you're looking for immediate impact, I think it's way more likely you're going to get it from a wide receiver. You know, Dave, you just changed my mind actually by saying all that, and I'd go and now I'm going back to corner, because you're right, all those guys they didn't contribute at all, And so where's my corner going to be? Second round,

third round, fifth round, both? So now he's got to be seventeen then, because he's got I got to give him the best chance for my corner to come play. Because they picked on Cheetah. Who's my number one guy? Jordan Lewis is you know, I think he's a good corner and he's a playmaker, but I don't think he'd be great on the outside all the time. And Anthony Brown is Anthony Brown. I need an the frontline guy. So now I don't know if I can wait now in my corner. You made it such a good point.

Now I disagree with you now, but I still think that comes back to who's available to you at seventeen. What quarterback is there? And if it's a cornerback that you think is as good as one of those other guys, in great, If not, I don't think you press for it. I think both of them are needs for you reach. That's me reaching you got to reach. It's a fascint guess conversation. I mean, they need to come out of this draft with a quality cornerback, a quality They don't

need an edge rusher, but it would be nice. They need they need defensive backs and a receiver, and they need them to be good. Yep, yep, center, those are positions they need for this year. I will say this, you look at the defensive end position. There's still some guys on in free agency that are still out there that that you could possibly pull in if you needed more help there. I don't know that you have the same that You can say the same thing about cornerbacks

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for us. Let's let's see what you got Amber. What what What's in our what's in our game bag for today? Well, it's just the usual CEO, no little game. But before we get into that, I wanted to go back into the whole first round topic real quick. If the Cowboys where to select a defensive back with the first round at this moment, which position do you think that has

the most value? Safety or cornerback? Because we keep going back and forth, so based on your observations of the team right now, which one of those two positions do you think would be better for the team. I'll say corner because I think you know Zaberwoods has started and ha ha Clinton Dix has started. And I think those two guys together, you know, are probably wouldn't be the

worst duo in the NFL. But Geeto and Jordan Lewis and Anthony Browns, is your three corners that that needs some work and so I would think there'd be more value at corner if you could get it, if it's even. If it's not even, then you want to take value. I'm gonna ask that question with a question, Dave and Nick, do you guys the only corner I've really heard that's the caliber that would be selected at seventeen is Henderson and questionable whether he'll be there. Are there other corners

that would be in that range? Because if not, I don't think you reach for a corner. I think you take one of those two safeties. But are there other corners that would possibly be there if Henderson, let's say, has already gone, that will be worth the seventeenth pick. That's gonna be a fun question for front officers to

figure out. We as we all know, like we can do all the work we want, watch all the tape we want, and you're still gonna be wrong about the way one of these teams feels about a guy like A perfect example is the Oakland Raiders drafted Cleveland Farrell out of Clemson, the pass rusher fourth overall last year. Nobody in the media scouting community saw that as like a fit with his value, but the Raiders did so. Yeah. I mean there are cornerbacks. Trevon Diggs out of Alabama

I mentioned him earlier. Christian Fulton out of LSU is a guy we know the Cowboys have talked to. They published the video with him, Jeff Gladeny out of TCU. Those are probably the next three after Henderson and obviously Jeff Okuda, who they don't have a chance at. It's just gonna be you know, nobody, you know, nobody in the media thinks that it's worth that pick at seventeen, none of those three. But that doesn't mean the Cowboys

won't feel that way. If Trevon Diggs just fits exactly what Al Harris and Mike Nolan think they want to do, then it might be worth it to them. But if you're going based off of like the collective opinion of people, it seems like a reach. If Henderson's not there and you would take one of the two safeties in that instance before you would take one of those other three guys. That's a really good question, honestly, because, like I mean,

cornerback is the more valuable position. The Cowboys aren't wrong about that, like they are right that cornerback is more valuable than safety. I just think they make a mistake because sometimes it seems like they think safety has no value at all. Um. I think Grant Delpitt and Xavier McKinney are better prospects than those cornerbacks, but they play at least important position. So that's a that's a really interesting debate. I think I would go with the safety.

But if you're just convinced that Digs can do what you want him to based on his athleticism and his track record, I can at least see the logic even if I don't agree with the decision. All right, well, let's go ahead and start the game. I see a lot of people asking about Dak in the whole situation right now, So C, no, would you entertain the idea of possibly trading Dak ce or no? No? Yes? See entertain, Yeah, I say I'll entertain. Entertain is a vague, vague term

that's an easy out. Yeah, I'll entertain it. What am I getting? Okay? You know you know what that means though, Like would you be up for it to actually make a move like that and trade Dak and to go up and get more picks in the draft, obviously a higher one. Okay, it doesn't guarantee me a better quarterback. I'm not in. I'm not interested. And I mean guarantee me a better quarterback, I'm not interested. Okay, Well, I

mean yeah, I think you listen. I mean, the price would be two first two number ones and and and two number ones. But it's not like it's the twenty eight pick this year and probably the you know, twenty eighth pick next years. I don't think that's what you want to do. I think it would have to be a team that have sitting at twelve or thirteen that wanted to one of those guys to fall to them, and they didn't. So now they're offering you that and

then next year's number one. Think about that. I don't even know who that is, the twelfth pick in the draft, and and then next year's one. But but Nick, that's where I look at it. I say, it's got to be a team that I think is one of the worst five teams in the league. Because if you're gonna get a quarterback in the draft that's gonna be replacing Dak,

you're not gonna strike. You know, you're not gonna You can't bet on the fact that you're gonna that you're gonna strike, like like you struck with Dak in the fourth round. You need to be up there at the top of the draft. And so even at twelve, the likelihood that you're gonna get a franchise type quarterback at twelve is not It's unlikely. So Dave, what would you do? Then? I know exactly what Dave would do now. But here's the thing. What is it about Dak that scares people

and pisses people off so much. It's not his level of play, it's not his character, it's not any of that. Fans are absolutely terrified of cap hits decimating the ability to build a complete team, right, Like, if they can just keep having Dak on this cap hit, nobody would complain. But if Dak's making seventeen percent of the salary cap, that's when people start to get freaked because all of a sudden, you supposedly can't surround him with talent anymore.

So if I'm the Miami Dolphins and I have a chance to draft one of these three quarterbacks to play for me for five years at a ridiculously low cap hit and build a ridiculously deep team around him, why am I giving that up to do the same thing? And like, the Dolphins have cap space, but so they're trading.

You know, the Dolphins would have to give up two of their three first round picks on top of some other stuff and then pay Dak and all of a sudden, they don't have any of the flexibility that puts them in such an enviable position, Which is why I just don't I just don't think it's realistic because the teams that want quarterbacks would rather take their chances on a cheap one than turn around and have to pay a really expensive Why that's why I didn't say five. I

said twelve. Those teams did twelve. They didn't get any of those three. So and Derek said, no, he probably wouldn't do that out But I mean, what if you do that? What if you trade two number ones and then you get Cam on a one year deal, you immediately I mean, is Cam, what if is Cam better than Dak? Does Cam have the longevity of Dak? Like, I think there are too many questions with with with Cam right now for me to say I'm Desk going to be a chance I'm willing to take honestly that

but is i't go ahead. I was just saying I would entertain it. And when when you're talking about Dak, this will this will be my third one of the show. But when you're talking about Dak, I think the term entertained has been mentioned several times this week, and I think that I would entertain just if someone wants to talk, Yes, I'm gonna listen. You better come strong though, because I'm

not looking to part with him. But yeah, if you're gonna, if you're gonna call, you know, virtually, let's we'll talk. I'm not trading Dak unless it leads me to a clear path for a potential upgrade. So like in your in your theoretical world, they're trading they're getting the twelfth pick in this year's draft. Sure, I just under nick scenario. Yeah, and then the next year I have to trade away of fortune to try to get up and draft Trevor Lawrence or something like that. I don't know because Cam,

I know I was. I expressed expressed interest in him last week, but like, he's not the long term solution to your quarterback problem. So unless you give me a path toward one of the three in this year years draft, or like Trevor Lawrence next year, it's just not very enticing to me. I'd rather you know, one in the hand is worth two in the bush, as they like to say, yeah, and I mean part of that for me is I lived through years of the Cowboys not

having a quarterback. If I'm if I'm a Cowboys owner or decision maker with the Cowboys, I never want to be back in that position because you have no chance of winning on Sundays when you don't have a quarterback in this league. So I have a quarterback. I feel like, whatever his words are, I have a quarterback. I feel good about that quarterback. I'm doing whatever I have to do to keep that quarterback. All right. Well, we've talked a lot about the defense and then also the wide

receiver position. Do you see the Cowboys drafting and interior linemen in the top four rounds? You know, I was about to mention that earlier about what about javon Kinlaw. We haven't really talked about him in that scenario, but I think the signings of McCoy and Poe. I'm not saying you don't draft a guy, but I think you can get to get a good idea of what kind of tackle they're looking for. And I'm not sure Javon Kin Law is that guy. I'm talking about the old line.

I thought you said d Line. I'm sorry too, Okay, oh line first four rounds? M Yeah, maybe in TI a flexible guy that can play a little bit center and guard. If that's a good value. I could see that Dave's got a tackle in the fourth round, right, Yeah, if they're doing there, if they are doing their job the right way, the only positions that should be off of the board, like just no consideration at all is

running back. That's the only position that they should just be like, no, we really can't justify that this early. Everything else is on the table. They don't have a proven swing tackle, they just lost their all pro center, they don't have a slot receiver, they only have two defensive tackles, they don't have a right end their cornerback. The chart is shaky, and both of their starting safeties

are on one year deals. Like, you could convince me to draft anything, and if they're being true to their board, they shouldn't rule out anything except running back, because I can't see that. I will say this though, if you're talking about priorities, I think offensive lineman would be a lower end of the priority because I think when you start thinking about like a swing tackle, I think those are guys that you can look out on free agency.

There will be guys. I guarantee there will be guys that when the Cowmen, when the NFL teams make their final cuts, there'll be some veteran guy that will be a swing tackle type that the Cowboys could go out and get. So't I don't put this in the context of as important as trying to get another receiver or trying to get a cornerback or a safety or even

a defensive end for that matter. But yes, I agree with you, Dave from the standpoint that there's really not any There's no position other than running back, and you could actually convince me that fullback you might maybe you should. There's no position other than tailback that I think the Cowboys shouldn't at least give some thought too, if there's

value there. I'm not going to be the least bit surprised when some front office and coaching types tell us not to sleep on Brandon night, just for whatever that's worth. But yeah, I mean I could make a case for just about any position at any range of the draft. All right, do we have time for another question? Or now? Yeah? One more? All right? Well, do you think based on everything that has happened? Obviously there's no point because we

can't go back in time anymore. But do you think that the fact that the Cowboys coaching staff did not go to the Combine will play a role into how that it's going to affect them in the long run due to the fact that there are no many pro days happening or any of that stuff. Well, they went to the Combine. It was the Senior Bowl that they skipped. Sorry, sorry,

the Senior Bowl. Oh, I mean, yeah, it's it's not well, no, Honestly, the fact if they had missed the Combine yet, liked you know, the Denver Broncos and the La Rams didn't send their staffs to the Combine. I do wonder if they regret that now, because that's forty five fifty interviews that their coaches didn't have a chance to be a part of. I'm sure they filmed them, but still not the same. I think that's going to be a challenge for every team in the league is it's a very

limited opportunity to get your hands on these guys. I mean, you can't do it at all. All you got is is video calls, which seems like a poor substitute. So this draft has a lot of potential for wonkiness in my opinion. And let's also be clear about the Senior Bowl. The scouts were there and you know the coaches. The

coaches were not. The scouts were there, and I think that, you know, with the Senior Bowl, most league we're talking about you know, mid round or maybe second round guys, and there are some first rounders for sure, But I think that it will just weigh a little bit more on the scouts, which I'm not sure is a bad thing, so that it's not like they just totally neglected at the Senior Bowl, but I just think from some of

those players, the coaches are allowed to rely on the scouts. Yeah, you know, I am interested to see if this year in the draft teams come out of the draft feeling like, you know, maybe in the future, we ought to not go to some of these things and not put as much into all these interviews, because when you think about it, all you do when you start getting to this point of the draft or the draft process, is you talk yourself out of what you've already seen on tape, right.

And I wonder if a lot of teams will come out of this saying, you know, we're going to rely a lot more on what a guy did on the field then we're going to rely on these other things. We'll still have some interviews with them virtually, we'll still get their times and stuff like that, but spend a little less time on that and maybe a little more time on just the film and how they actually performed

when they were playing football. I wonder how many teams will come out of this and feel like they drafted better doing that than than all the other things that they would typically do in a draft season. I think there's something to be said for that. But I like, I think about the thirty visits and we all know how important that's been for the Cowboys, And I can't tell you how many times over the last like six seven years, I've heard a drastically different opinion post visit

as opposed to pre and obvious. I mean, the tape is what matters at the end of the day. But you get a chance to spend eighteen twenty four hours with these guys and they can either impress you or in some cases, I've even heard of just completely turning the entire organization off based on the way they handled themselves. And I think I think teams still really value that, and I think they miss it right now because I just don't think you can get the same experience over

a zoom call. But my question for that would be how many time, Well, I was gonna say my question for that is how many times that has that been right? Though? Has that proven to be right? The impression that you got to the guy when you met him changed your opinion. Did he end up being a really good player and you thought that maybe he wasn't, Or did he end up being a poor player but he convinced you how good of a person he was that you went ahead

and drafted him. So again, I don't know if that necessarily is even a good thing for them When you look at the overall of how this is. You know how this all turns out what you say, am rup,

Sorry Brett for cutting y'all. No, I was just I was just gonna say, not that this happens a lot, but an example is when you look at what happened with Tackle Charlton and just you know, I think those interactions are important because in the long run, you saw how that played out, like he did not fit with this group of guys and their dynamic, and I think that was the biggest issue with him, aside from his on field performance, was more being a part of the

group and clicking with them. And I know from previous conversations that I've had in the past with Will McClay, I know that they value a lot those like personality assessments and just getting to know the players and just really seeing how that person would fit into the group and seeing how that plays out. I think that's a lot and me I always talk about analyzing players and the way they move, the way they talk, the way they carry themselves. I think it does play a big role.

It'll all be interesting. We'll see how it plays out this jat because every team, every team the NFL will have the same situation where they will not have been able to do the same sort of in person due diligence that they've done in the past, but it'll be an interesting, interesting experiment. We'll appreciate you guys join us. We are back next Wednesday, our normal time, eleven am till then. We want you guys to stay home, stay strong for Nick Eatman, Dave helm and Amber Garcia. I'm

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