Cowboys Break: Witten's Future?

you guys good? It's been it feels like I was literally just thinking, it feels like it's been a month. It's been a long two weeks. It's fine, Yeah, feel good. How are you good? Derek will be joining us in a little bit whenever he feels like it. You know, that's his thing. You can do that when you're the Boston they're watching TV. I think, yeah, well, let's get right into it. I mean, obviously, as of right now, it's been kind of a slow week and not many

things have happened. But one of the things that did happen was last night, Jason Witten, he had his help me. I would pronouncing this college college, collegiate, collegiate. Wow, definitely not how I expected to say that. Words fine Collegiate Man of the Year award. Well, aren't it like a four point zero I was. I guess they didn't. I guess they didn't say that word. They don't give it grades unpronouncing words. But Collegiate Man of the Year Jason

Witten went to Tennessee. Picked a guy from Tennessee. Shocker. Yeah, okay, that's I. Actually I didn't know who Tray Smith was until I went to this thing last night. And that's an impressive dudeum, which actually typically they give that a word to a guy who's leaving school, but he's actually going back. Um. But yeah, Jason winn gives an award to a guy with extremely high on and off field character.

Tray Smith lost his mother in high school and missed an entire year of his college career with blood clots and his lungs and battled back to be all SEC this past season. He's going back to school. Good for him. Um, he did go to Tennessee. So while we're talking about last night, he was in the start, he got to

talk to the media. One of the things that came up once again is whether or not he's going to play this year, and he once again kind of said or confirmed that he does want to continue playing until he can and he would prefer it to be with the Dallas Cowboys. And he said that he has voiced that opinion. He talked with Mike McCarthy prior to him kind of gathering his whole coaching staff. He has been in communication with Stephen and Jerry Jones and to let

them know that he wants to be here. Now. Basically said that at this point it's just waiting, waiting on the Cowboys and see what they decide to do, whether to bring him back or not on at least a one year contract. So what do you guys think about this whole situation? Would you want the Cowboys to bring Jason Witten back? It sounds messy to me because he's Jason Witten. And if Jason Witten wanted to come back and play for the Cowboys, you would think that that'd

be the end of it. And I mean, okay, well you come back, and well we'll make a deal, and you know it's not gonna be about the money anyways. It's just come back and play and we'll figure out the role. But apparently there's there's a sticking point there and you know, that's something he's not used to experiencing. So do I want him to come back or I mean, yeah, I think I think he could because I don't see anybody in his way right now that it's like who

he's taking snaps from. Blake Jarwin will play and play a lot, but Dalton Schultz doesn't have to to me, so he still can draft one. But I would bring him back, But I don't get the sense that's going

to happen if it's waited this long. I thought it was a really interesting thing that Wit said at the top of his press conference last night, was that this has taken a little bit longer than I wanted it to or than I thought it would, which, yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right if Jason Witton wants to come back. Typically you'd think, Okay, you know, here's the deal, this is what it'll be worth, and you're in. And it worked that way for him last year when his longtime

friend and head coach was still calling the shots. Obviously, Jason Witten is very very close with the Jones family and has those allies, but all of his other allies in the building, and that's I mean, you know, his teammates like him, and I've never heard a bad word about it in that regard, But his allies on the coaching staff are gone, like the guys he worked with forever that he had all these relationships with, namely Jason Garrett,

are gone. And yeah, I think, I mean, ultimately, I think like whether or not Jason Witten here, I think comes down to, like Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones and Mike McCarthy, like who wants that more? You know, is Mike McCarthy absolutely insistent that he needs a fresh start and there's no place for this guy on his roster, Or are Jerry and Stephen Jones insistent that you know, this is Jason Witten and we're going to find a

way to keep him around for one more year. Which is why the other interesting takeaway that I got out of this last night was he expects to have these conversations when the Cowboys come back from the combine and before free agency, so like, this isn't a typical free agent, like like you know you're not doing this isn't a guy on his first contract that wants to test the market. This is a guy who's just looking for the right

landing spot. He wants it to be here. So I think it's interesting to think that one way or another, this will be resolved before a free agency opens in March, so you know, ideally within the next two and a half to three weeks we would have an answer. Me personally, it's nothing against Jason Witten. You change the coaching staff over. He was last year. I don't think he was dynamic. I don't think he helped you in the red zone.

He maybe didn't hinder Blake Jarwin as much as I thought he would before the season, but he still ate up a lot of those snaps. I would rather turn the page and start fresh again. Nothing against him, but I just think you know you're already changing the coaching staff over, you might as well take that final step and just move into a new era completely. But I will be interested to see who wins out in that

decision making process. Well, you know you tend to usually when you see the group of guys in your roster, you tend to pick out the guys that seem better. You know, you mentioned out of the group, Jason Witten is still better than the rest of them. And yes, but at this point when you start analyzing the whole free agency. Are there any tight ends out there currently that might be better than Jason Witten or not necessarily better, but could contribute more on the field than what he

did last year. Yeah, Well, the thing is, and I say this about better, I mean obviously more dynamic down the field player is still is on your roster, and Blake Jarwin he is better at that? I don't. I mean, maybe you know, Jason Witten has forgotten more about tight end than like ninety nine percent of people will ever learn.

I get that, like maybe in the all encompassing duties of the position, he might be better than Blake Jarwin, But like, can you definitively say he's a better option based on what we saw last season in terms of like being a dynamic element of the offense. I don't think you can say that anymore now. I think Blake Jarwin is the better option at this point in their respective careers. Right, But I you know, to me, I'm looking at tight end like I look at who's the

best cornerback, second or third corner. Well, they're both going to play, So I mean, I don't know if it really matters who runs out of the starting lineup now to Jason Witten. It does that does matter, and I don't know if he's willing to be the backup there. But we can see that two tight ends can play. But I don't see where Dalton Schultz has to I mean, where's a role for him. Now, I'm still drafting a guy I know. You know, if Witten comes back, that

might change where you draft a player. And you said on the Draft Show a few times, it's not a strong draft class for tight ends. Really no, it's ironic. It's not top heavy. It was a fantastic class last year, and that is not I mean, there are good players in the draft at tight end this year, but it's not what it was last year with two to three first round caliber talents. You know, guys that were that you could have gotten in the third round that might

have been able to push first starting job. I don't think you're going to see that this year. There is a tight end. I think that's going to be a free agent Eric Ebron. Yeah. Now, now he's a guy that is you're he's a guy that Jerry Jones would would like to sign because he's a former first round pick. I think tenth overall didn't really work out for the Lions, went to the Colts pretty good, like twenty six years old. That's a guy, which yeah, no, I mean he was.

He was the twenty fourteen draft class. So he's Zack Martin's draft class. He's definitely he's not twenty six then he Well, it depends on I mean, all those guys come out at different points. I don't know how old Eric Ebron is, but I do know he was good enough in Indianapolis that I think he would be a little more expensive than the Cowboys would want to pay for him in free agency. I think he's also like the Colts are not in a hurry to resign him.

Chris Ballard up there like made it pretty clear that he was not a priority. So, like you wonder about fit in terms of like locker room culture and stuff like that. And he's and he is another big Darwin type of like pass catcher. Thirteen touchdowns in eighteen last year was kind of not great, but I mean he's a pass catcher. He's in red zone three. Yeah, for sure, that's important too. That's what the position has become anyway.

I mean, like and that's I mean, that's always been the argument about Jason Witton anyway, rights like, there just aren't that many guys that can do it all anymore. It's become too much of a pass happy sport. And I do I wonder about that because like under Jason Garrett, that was always going to be the things like, well can he block? We don't want him if you can't block? Is that going to be the thing under Mike McCarthy, I'm not one hundred percent sure what are you going

to say? Something else? I was going to ask, are you what are you doing it? You're bringing them back now? And I you know, people attack me when I write things down on some almost Cowboys, and I put that out because and I get it from as fans perspective.

You want your guy. You love Jason Witten what he's done, but I think that at this point he kind of slows you down, and even though he has made some good things for you, he made some good things for you last year, at this point I think that the Cowboys just need someone more dynamic and let Blake Jarwin kind of take a bigger role there, but bring somebody else that you know, what do you want to be?

What do you want to be? As a football team, you want to be young, fast, and cheap, like honestly in the NFL, like, those are three of my biggest things. Jason Witten's not any of those things at this point in his career. And I mean he's not super expensive. Says that. Who says young, fast and keep me? I just did, Okay, but ye act like that's the thing, like I think it is. That's I mean, you want young, durable. If you're just gonna take three things, you're not gonna

take young, fast, and chieved. Well, I mean, like talented is obviously like the number one. Those renegade well you know what my problem is now, they're not fast or they'd be in the NFL like that's and most of them aren't young either because they already had failed NFL career.

They're still relatively failed. But last year, sorry, I was going to say last year, I was excited of him coming back because I thought, oh wow, okay, Dad can definitely use him in the red zone and he can definitely improve that whole area where the Cowboys struggled in the previous year. And it wasn't the case like last year. The red zone didn't improve that much. They were still struggling. So to me, there wasn't much of a difference there of,

you know, having him and not having him. Yeah, I mean, okay, I see that point too. I'm still thinking about this one though as well, because the thing is is Dak zeke and you wanted to pay these guys. You know, you want to keep them. You want to keep Dak, right, you know. I mean, so, I mean, he's not going to be cheap, and he's not going to be young, and you're banking on the fact that his experience is going to help back is very young by quarterbacks time.

But I still think that experience matters. You could convince me that Jason Witten doesn't need to be here, maybe because of more of a changing of philosophy, changing the guard, turn the page, let's get done this way. I can maybe see that. But I don't believe that that he held him back. I mean, it was number one offense in the league. I don't think he was holding them back.

I don't think he was holding them back. But I just don't I'm not convinced that the value he brought was was all that much, honestly, So what are you trying to say? You want him back or no. I yeah, I mean if if, if Jason Witten can can kind of loosen the grip a little bit as far as how much he plays, which I think that we saw that a little bit last year. We'll play see more of it then then Yeah, I don't see any reason why he couldn't come back. Um, I don't think it's

gonna be about money. I still want to see Blake Jarwin, but I'm not convinced Blake Jarwin's just been, you know, sitting there with like shackles on, just ready to bust out and go to the Hall of Fame. I mean, I'm not ready to see that. But I do think he's dynamic and needs to play more. But there's nobody else on the roster, and I'm like, well, ah, I mean, who's he gonna play in front of him? It's just

it's so it's like a needlessly complicated problem. Though, is like, and You're like, I don't think Blake Jarwin's like a pro bowler, but I think he's he's a dynamic player. You saw what he could do in the seam, you saw what he could do in the red zone, you saw what he can do after the catch that's really important. That's something that hasn't been part of Jason Witten's came

in a while. If he would be Antonio Gates and do that role and Antonio Gates, the WHO Hall of Famer numbers, all that for the Chargers, and then they drafted Hunter or Henry Yeah, and you know they they basically he I mean, he's been on the team, but he hasn't really been like the main guy to be. And if that was fine, if he was fine with that and he wanted to do it, like I'm not gonna raise a stink about it, that's totally fine. But

at that point, like why though? Like why? And and then he's Jason Witten the backup and like he's on TV and he's still talking on Thursdays, but he's not really playing as much. And it's it's not a distraction, but it's just like, but what are you doing it for? Like what's the value versus the spotlight? Whereas you could roll Blake jar went into the starting role and draft a guy and he could serve the same purpose and he would just be, oh, yeah, that's the guy we

drafted in the third round. So what if he is a a backup player who can who can contribute, can play, and he's gonna help these young guys in there in the locker room. Like I said, I'd be fine with that. That doesn't bother me. I just I don't think it's all that valuable. I just why and and and you like that? Well, I knew League getting a pass. Why Sean League get to come and do this in well, because he's Sean Lee and all that. I mean, why

not Witten? Because Shaun Lee played such a more vital role to this team in my opinion, in all honesty,

and you're you yeah, absolutely, because he started third. He started ten games like the last ten games of the year when your first round pick went down, had a hundred depending on if you use coaches tape for official stats keepers, he had like eighty two one hundred and twenty tackles played some of the bet likes, played at a really high level, and held your lineback and corp together, which maybe wasn't the worst position group on your team,

but was certainly the most disappointing. Like absolutely, and Blake. Like Blake, Jarwin didn't set the world on fire by any means, but he showed glimpses of ability when he got his chances, and I just, like I said, I mean it, Shaun Lee said that he wants to play, and I just stop. But why are you trying to cost drama where there's no need. I'm just saying, there any doubt that Sean Lee says he wants to play.

I mean, I bet they're going to resign him. I think Sean Lee has needed much more on this team than Jason Witten is right now at this moment in their careers. Okay, I think, so go with you on that one, because because Sean Lee is needed. But hey, let's let's be honest. Sean Lee can get hurt like that and will get hurt. And he didn't this year because he didn't play. He played the last ten games he started them, he played thirteen. I think I think

he might have even started thirteen. He started thirteen games. I'm sorry. He started three at sam when everybody was healthy, and he started like the last nine games of the year because Layton's neck was hurt. He played a lot this year, and he played well. But it's such a different position too. It's like you can't to me, you can't really compare the two because of the roles on the field. It's just completely different. I don't think so. To me, you do way more as a linebacker. You

can get hurt. That's when you step in and Shawn Lee is ready to go and attack with some power. He's faster, he moves faster still, he's getting up thirty in age. But when starting to slow down, now, I don't I wouldn't mind. Lee is slowing down too. He's been slowing down. He absolutely is. Okay, yes, I agree. Who's more reliable? Jason Winton? All right, yeah, I mean it's all I'm saying is and this is why are

we confining the two? Well, because they're older and they're good, and they're veterans, and they're white and all that stuff. I mean, they're just easy to do. It's easy to say that. I mean, you don't even easy to compare these two guys. They are the last They are the last holdovers from the older era of the Cowboys, like the mid two thousand Cowboys. They're the last guys here and they bring a veteran, experienced, tough, gritty type of

player to the locker room. And I mean, again, I love Sean Lee and I love the fact that he's coming back. I'm just saying that just yet. Well, I think he wants to play. He wants to play. He could be in the same boat, and for all we know, he could be in the exact same boat. He just the award. He hasn't spoken publicly because he's Sean Lee. He doesn't really like to do that. Yeah, like he could do the exact same thing where free agency rolls around and the Cowboys are like, we love you, like

we would love to have you. If you're willing to go into the season as the backup, you get forty percent of the snaps. If everything goes well, maybe you start if somebody gets hurt. And he could say, screw that, right, I got a house on the West Coast and the Chargers need a starting linebacker more than you do. So here I go, like, we don't know what's going to happen. True, he does seem like the type of guy that would

go play for another team more than Wittenwood. To me, I have a hard time imagining either one of them doing it, to be honest with you, just because we haven't ever seen it, and like they kind of embody the whole Cowboys spirit. So well, yeah, all right, I don't know. Well, I didn't expect to spend the whole

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that we've been talking about since last year. Obviously, we're still waiting on the whole Dak Prescott contract to get resolved. And see why. What's going on with that is that? Is that like a topic of conversation these days? People talking about Daks? Not really, No, I mean that's right one, no, good point, not the actual agent and not the cowboy

that can actually get it done. Maybe they are because Steven said it was heating up, and he said things are about to heat up and it's like forty degrees outside. So I don't think he was talking about that. Please do something. I want to talk about weather. No, no, I don't know. Okay, let's sorry. No, it's all good. It's all good. Okay. We've talked about Dak quite a lot, and we're still waiting on that. Assuming that happens. The Cowboys signed Dak Prescot to a contract. Blah blah blah. Okay,

all good. Let's talk about the backup quarterback position and what happens there and what the Cowboys should do with that given the fact that there are a lot of veteran guys out in the market with free agency, and this is something that you know, a lot of fans start commenting on and asking questions, Oh, is this guy coming here or so and so, you know, so what are your expectations with the backup quarterback? Should they keep

Cooper Rush? Who's been here what three four? Three four years? Yeah, he just finished his third year I believe third year, which yeah, because he's a restricted free agent. So it's a really interesting conversation and you keep, I keep copying out because you have to change everything you think you know about the way they do things because it's a completely different coaching staff. Like Cooper Rush was, he was Jason Garrett's that he was that staff's guy. They found him,

they developed him, they loved him. Mike McCarthy doesn't know this dude, and he didn't play a role in his development. Mike McCarthy has been a quarterback friendly coach for his entire career. He might have a completely different idea of like what he wants in a backup player like Cowboys haven't invested in a veter and back up in a long time, not since Kyle Orton. It's hard to believe that they would want to do that if they're going to drop a bunch of money on Dak Prescott. But

it might be something Mike McCarthy values. Or again, you know, drafting a quarterback is always a good idea in my opinion, that could be a you know, an avenue they go down. They haven't done it. They did it two years ago with Mike White. It didn't work out. But keep trying to punch those lottery tickets. Man, I think you should do it all the time, honestly, quarterback. Yeah, I mean not with a big pick, but this day three hell yeah. Yeah.

This is this conversation is assuming the dad because because to me, it's kind of like walking, you know, like walking to your table at a restaurant. You're really hungry and you just walk past the dessert menu or a dessert train. You're like, okay, well we'll talk about that in a little bit. Well let's focus on this. It wouldn't we get this down and we'll see Because I think what happens with Dak and how much you pay them is is kind of will affect what happens with

it with the backup quarterback. But like you said, let's just let's assume that it's fair market and all this. Um. I think you do need to get a little bit more of experience. There a guy that you feel like, if he has to go in and play in the game, it's not gonna change a lot. You're not having to worry. What's Cooper Rush going to be like, you know, give me a guy that's done it, he started some games. I'm sure there's some out there. There are actually there

are quite a few many names I do. I mean, the one that jumps off the page to me is Colt McCoy. Obviously, yes, Texas guy spent forever in Washington. I'd be all all aboard that train me too, because he's a guy that's not gonna you know, he's not gonna I mean, unless you're the ut guy, you're not gonna be like every time Dak goes a pick, you're like,

let's play McCoy Like, no one's gonna do that. But if something were to happen to Dac and nothing ever has, but if it's someone you've seen do something you can step right in and play. And he's playing. He's beaten the Cowboys I think when they were six and one, seven and one and they had Tony Romo. Yeah, that was That was a game where you know, the Cowboys were rolling and the Redskins were struggling and it was a Monday night game and he came in and beat him.

Career backup Chase Daniel is available. I'd love that. AJ mccaren is an unrestricted free agent. Drew Stanton chat mccaren. Do you like that? I mean, you know he went to Alabama, that's his choice. That's finer. Yeah, I mean if if the Cowboys were interested, I don't think that's a terrible idea. Um case Keenum. It's hard to gauge. Matt Moore obviously has a history with the Cowboys. He was Mahomes's backup in Casey and played well when he needed to this year. Um yeah, I can see that. Shoot.

Blake Bortles is available. Like and I like, these names aren't gonna get you excited, that's not the point, but like, these are all guys that have started NFL games. Some of those guys are gonna be pricey because they play they play quarterback. I don't think he's available. I might be wrong. Um, I don't see him on the list. Yeah, you know, Cooper Rush isn't isn't a name that gets anyone excited either. So but I think, but all the guys I just named have started meaningful games in the NFL,

Like I would go that route. I would, I would, I would get a guy in here like that. Some experience a little bit. I know this is I mean, this is so like the quarterback market is obviously absurd, but like, if you get a guy like that, you're paying good money for that. It's true, that's not cheap. And are you willing to do it that that will be more than what they would pay for Jason Witten or um Sean Lee to come back? Don't you think? Oh year I ten? Yeah, Pam pumped that thing up.

Depending on how qualified you want your quarterback to be, you're probably I mean, which based on what you know, So it's not that important to you. No, it isn't not a ten million a year. I mean, it depends on the quarterback. Like I all right, I don't keep talking while I don't. I don't want to pay a guy ten million to wear a ball cap, and you know what, if it happens, we're dacked out three or

four games, you know what, that's bad. But it's not like these guys are like the Savior, Like you will definitely win if Chase Daniel starts for you. I mean, you know you still struggle. Colt McCoy was only making four million a year on his last deal. That's phenomenal for me. I'm on board with that, gay, But again, like some, it just depends on how experienced he is. Like the Eagles paid Chase Daniel a staggering amount of money to not ever play for them a few years ago,

because you can command that when you're a quarterback. It's a lower number than what we talk about with that because you're not talking about regular starters. But quarterbacks just get paid more money because things go to hell if you don't have one, even if it's just a backup. It's just like insurance on your house, you know. I guess you can make the argument of, Okay, well we haven't necessarily seen Cooper Rush playing with all the starters. Fair but very fair. I don't know, I don't know

if that makes me feel any more better. You know, he plays pretty well in the preseason games. Remember he wasn't playing that well going into Hawaii, he played like a legend as a rookie, like he was amazing, and then it's just kind of been ever since, which which he's not playing with starters, the offensive, backup offensive. Absolutely, I mean it is actually pretty good. But even a practice though seeing him making not making peak, that's okay, But here you expect the growth to happen, and it

was like it's been backwards. You know, this is an interesting This is an interesting wrinkle for me. Cooper Rush is a restricted free agent, which means if you want to bring him back, you have to tender him, which there's three you know, you can tender him as a first round pick, second round pick, or the round originally drafted,

which he was not drafted. So I think that's a really interesting dynamic because you can tag him as a second round pick, and that scares teams away because then you gotta if you want to sign him, you gotta

give up a second round pick to get him. It also means, you know, he's making probably like Cult McCoy money, Like I think it's I think it's three three point five as a second round pick, and it jumps up to like four or five as a first round pick if you tender him in the round you originally drafted him. That anybody can sign him and they don't know you anything because he was not drafted, so he's not technically

worth a draft pick. So I'm if the Cowboys want to keep him, I'm curious what they would do there. And there is a fourth option for those restricted guys. What I've seen the Cowboys do is they'll they'll they say they'll they'll buy the restricted year, so they'll they'll give him a deal and you know, like a two year deal, and they'll they'll pay him for this one and then the next one. So he's not really going into his last year. But I think he comes back.

But I don't think he's the only backup option there because you said it way at the start here. It's hard to talk about this because you don't know what the staff, how the staff values this. I just think Mike, like Mike McCarthy's calling card his whole career has been offense. Like he's tied at the hip to Aaron Rodgers for

better and for worse. He's an offensive minded guy, he's I don't know if he's a quarterback guru, but like that's kind of been his thing, right, And it's hard for me to believe, with everything that I know about football coaches that he's gonna walk in and be like, oh, yeah, this guy's good, like you know, like, yeah, this guy that was here with the last like, I like him just as much as the last staff did. Yeah, I don't.

And I based that on nothing other than my experience knowing that like football coaches want their guys and they want things their way, you know. I just thought about this. So Brett Farve was still had a few years left, you know when he played. He played three or four more years, right, and it was a I mean Brett Farve, He's won three MVPs at the time, won a Super Bowl and they moved on to Aaron Rodgers and he

was the head coach for that. So this just kind of stems back to the last conversation we had of the previous discussion about Witton and Sean Lee. He's had to do this before, where true he parted ways with Brett Farve, and that was that was tough for the fan base still to understand. You know, so, um, he's I'm not saying that was his decision all the way. Now, there was also Aaron Rodgers there, and you're like, yeah, I think Aaron Rodgers are gonna be pretty good and

not call him Blake Jaron Aaron Rodgers. I'm just saying he's had to make these tough calls before that probably weren't that popular for fans, And I think this one was a little different too, because I think fans would probably be okay with it with Witten. I think most sense that they're kind of like I think most fans just kind of want to move into a completely new era. Like they're gonna keep their Jason Witton jerseys, they are gonna, you know, the fatheads not coming down, but they're just

ready for a no era of cowboy football. Well, when anyone searches for Michael Jordan highlights, they don't ever say Michael Jordan Wizards, right because they don't want to see Michael Jordan playing for the Wizards because it wasn't the Michael Jordan that they remember. And they don't want Jason Witten to come out here and have another year like this now if he doesn't have that one handed catch against the Rams that that would be a lot easier

for people to maybe even for himself. Yeah, but I mean Jason Witten's best plays of his career top five catches ever, one of them is going to be from last year because that was amazing. Might actually be hindering this and say, but at the same time, he did make a lot of errors that you're now used to seeing.

Hint me, that's what I'm saying. I mean that catch might have actually been kind of it's it might be that golf shot on number eighteen where you hit it right down the middle and you're right, I'm playing next week and you're like, you shot at one twelve, Like you sucked that. I'm talking about myself. I've done that. I've played terrible, hit it all over the yard, but the last couple holes that was the shot, and that gets you to come back and go, I'm playing. I'm

playing again, Sign me up. And I guess that's the point I was trying to make in the first segment, is like, if you're gonna split snaps and just be a guy, then why not just get a guy? You know, Like, why does it have to be one of the most legendary plays in franchise history. Like you can get anybody to fill that role, including a draft pick who's going to cost you a lot less and can develop into

something much better in the future. Is then embarrassing if that guy is just kind of a guy that does also have this Like that's exactly that's no what I think Jason Witten knows that too. Like he's got a thirty foot mural in the Star of him making his helmetless catch, like one of the best moments in recent franchise history. You can't go out to practice and not see it. And right when you go to practice, you

know he did. He took fewer snaps, like he was a good team player, and like I'm not saying anything bad about him, but like, is he gonna he's a cool just being a guy who gets forty five percent of the snaps, and like he comes in and twelve personnel, but Jarwin is playing in eleven personnel a lot more than him, Like no way, I don't buy that, which is what just you know again, it's nothing against him, but like it just sounds easier for everybody if you

move on, Like Jarwin's this guy you can draft a player in the third or fourth round, and you know, maybe they won't even be that good. Maybe you'll still have to address this position in the future. But it's just it just feels like time for turning the page to me see what I did. I got it right back to right back. Which I feel the same way about quarterback as I do with Witten. Like, if they want to bring Cooper Rush back, I'm not gonna like write an angry column about it. That's fine because I

don't anticipate him playing. Dak hasn't missed a game yet in his career. But I would rather sign a Colt McCoy who's been there and done that and honest, and if we could draft a guy in the sixth round or you know, late, just to kind of like have him and you know, look at him in training camp, like, that's the way that I would prefer to go about it. Brady doesn't miss a lot of games. Oh my god. Okay, let's switch up the conversation a little bit. Please switch

up the conversation a little bit. This question is gonna be hard to answer because you know, we still don't know what's going to happen in free agency and we don't know what's going to happen in the draft, but because it is late February, why not when you look at the current roster and the guys that the Cowboys do have on their list, who would you say is a guy that you would expect to have a bigger role in this next season? Mmma, already on a team?

Because again, for example, I'll give you an example, a guy that people are bringing up and mentioning a lot. Jordan Lewis. Okay, maybe a guy that could step up, depending assuming that Baron Jones leaves and all of that, and maybe he gets a bigger role. Hi, Derek, how's everything going? Hey? Man? Back? Slightly contentious today, honestly, like just a little with Amber and Nick and an air

of contention. Okay, um, So to welcome you back into the show, let me ask you this question we talked about and yet at all so I'm kidding, don't mention who would be a guy this is without think get into consideration what's going to happen in free agency and the draft. Who would be a guy in the current roster that could end up having a bigger role this year?

I got it, bigger role like anybody who's on the team last year that's an ascending player, is what you're saying, will be better next year, have more of a role next year. I obviously you know for sure it's going to be back this year. I just I just want to point out that, like half the roster's not under contract. There's a lot of I think there's an easy answer here, Okay, Tony Pollard, I hope so good. God see, I was gonna say, Michael Gallop, Gallup Pollard either one. Jordan Lewis

maybe if you think you may have to. I don't know if they are convinced that he is a starting caliber corner, like I mean, I have a lot of options though, right, No, I agreed, But I'm just saying, where do you stand between him and Cheeto? Uh? I'm between those two. I'm the middle linebacker because those two are about starters, right and then unless you draft someone, I mean, they will bring cornerbacks into this team one way or another. They have. We've just put Byron Jones out.

I don't actually somebody asked me about this on Twitter before we came on the show. I don't know how how you can't and we're wrong all the time. I say it all like, who knows they might make something work. Maybe Byron Jones really wants to stay here, but it just doesn't feel like it. I cannot your right standpoint. I can't come up with a logical argument for how he stays. It just doesn't feel like he wants. I just think he wants to test the market and he should.

I think he is. I think the markets willing to pay him more than the Cowboys. Yeah. Byron Jones is one of the smartest players in that locker room, and he has to be aware of what good cornerback play is worth in free agency, and Rake quonnerback play even good, also has to be aware that he has been in a contract year for just as long as Dak and Amari and nobody's talking about it art and we are now, But like all through the summer and the and the fall, it was Dak and him a Dak and Amari throws

Zeke's contract hold out in there too, and he's just like, Okay, I guess my All Pro season didn't mean much to anybody. And by the way, when the questions asked to Stephen Jones about who their priorities are consistently since last year. He's always said Dak, He's always said Amari, yep, I have not maybe you guys have. I've never heard him mentioned by its part of that, So it speaks volumes to me, just that nobody, not just the fans and media.

It doesn't seem like the people that are making the decisions are talking about him as a guy that is a priority for me is oh sorry, I hope he goes to a team with relatively small market but has some good money. You know, you know, we'll have a lot of money, like Tampa Bay or some button something like that. Because he goes to a big market with a lot with a passionate fan base. The first thing they're gonna do when he signed this big numbers, They're

gonna look at the stats. He doesn't have any They're gonna have to go to the next Gen stats and all that stuff to Pro Football Focus to show all that because he doesn't have any picks. And then he has an opportunity to be like Brandon Carr was, where he better be absolutely perfect because that price tag is the stat that people are gonna look at and go, Scott doesn't make any plays. We just paid him ninety million,

and he doesn't make any plays. So I just hope that you know, he's gonna go to a place and maybe he will make plays, maybe he'll make interceptions, or that he's mentally tough enough to deal with the fact that everybody's going to be looking at him sideways because he's not. And I do think he is and he has been because remember his first round pick that was ridiculed in his first few years and he kind of

overcame that. And so I mean, I think everybody really likes Byron Jones and wishes him well, but it just doesn't seem like he's gonna come back. Is that a mistake? And that's like, that's the conversation that is raging on Twitter right now. Not for me, you don't think so. Not if the Cowboys can get and you wouldn't know

better than I do. If there are quality cornerbacks coming out of the draft that I feel like I can go and get that I feel like will be half the potential to be better, which I assumed there are some that will win the Cowboys pick, then I would rather go back to the well on them. Okay, then

what do you think about this? Scenario. He's not. You didn't get him, you didn't bring him back, and you you only got a couple of corners in free agency, but nothing that you really like Anthony Brown being won, and then you got some other fifth year guy. So now you're sitting at number seventeen, and then there's a corner right there for I don't know who, who's a decent corner. Maybe seventeen um C. J. Henderson Christian Fulton from LSU in Florida. Those two are okay, those two guys,

and they're pretty good. They're pretty good player. You asked for this, You wanted to go back to the well hold on. But now I'm talking about LSU. Right the number sixth overall prospect on their board has fallen to seventeen, and he's a defensive tackle. Take him. Okay, So that's what I'm saying. I just you want to get a corner, but you don't want to go into a draft pigeonhole. I get all that. My thought is, and I don't know again, I need to go and look at all

the free agents that are out there. If I'm gonna pay top dollar, I'm at least looking for a guy top dollar that's gonna get me some picks or even more importantly, gonna give me some past defenses. Like I know that Byron can cover well, but I want to see. I want to see dollar for dollar, you can just same contract Byron Jones or a Slay that takes Slay. Yeah, that's my point, Like, if I'm gonna pay top dollar, I want a guy that's done it, and Byron just

hasn't done that. And again that doesn't corner, do you not? Don't you have to trade for Slay? Is he not a free agent? I don't believe he is, but to t and I need to look at the list of free agents. But my point is, if I'm gonna pay top dollar, I don't think. I don't think Baron Byron is necessarily the top corner out there in the free agent mark. I think he's up there among the top.

I don't think he's necessarily the top. I want to see if there are other guys that are commanding that kind of salary that at least have some picks on the resume. He's got twenty pass breakups the last two seasons. How does that rank? I have no idea, But it's not like he doesn't get that, but that's my own I'm interested to know how that ranks, because that doesn't seem like a nordinately large number for two seasons. Yeah,

that doesn't seem like it's it's not crazy high. Also, but teams don't throw at him as much as they're he doesn't this this is the debate. He doesn't get picks. But there is a lot of value in just handling

your half of the field. But is that also, and I said this on a previous show, is that also because they saw such opportunity on the other side, and maybe that's your bigger problem, all right, then such opportunity Then they were like, well, we don't in that case, you have bigger problems in your secondary than just I mean, and there is, and I think right now there are some bigger problems in your secondary right now than just

Byron Jones. That's also the reason why I don't know if I want to go out and spend as much money on Byron Jones, because I think you got to fill a lot of it in your theoretical future here though you're letting Byron walk And you just said you don't like the job that Cheeto is doing. At all, and then you're gonna plug not even the best cornerback in the draft class and expect him to excel from day one. And that's gonna be better either him or

go out and get a better free agent cornerback. If I'm gonna pay top dollar, go find me another free agent cornerback that has more picks. I don't think that's realistic. Do you think Byron is the top cornerback on the free agent market? Probably? Yeah? Probably. I saw lest the other day. It had him in three, but I didn't go and look at the stats of the other guys. Let's dive into that. I kind of It's just it's a weird dynamic to just say I'm letting him this

guy go, and I'm now creating a big need. I get that, but guess what, you got a lot of You got a lot of things to consider it. If Byron was the only free agent you have this year, then I'd be like, absolutely signed Byron back. Let's that's not the case. Let's go ahead and take our final break when we come back. Let's figure out who are the top free agent guys at the cornerback position. And then this cuss where Byron Jones ranks. I want to use what the pros use. How about the official men's

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September twenty nineteen. Back to the break, all right, we've been discussing Barron Jones and whether he should return with the whether the Cowboys should try to pay him what he would. Yes, we can talk about when, but stop, I gotta go back to listen. He had a little we got wet after a little bit. Nick Nick wants him back, right, Yeah, I figure here we're going. I just think, you know, I mean, I know, I know

you like your guys. You like your guys, Yeah, I mean I like win and I just like it's the whole Ricky Waters question. Okay, you want to get rid of him for who? For what? You know? Like like, yeah, I mean I think there's a clear I'm sorry, Yeah I did, shouldn't done it, but anyway, y'all go ahead. We'll talk about st after the ship. Are you okay? We came up with a name that I'm you know, Chris. Chris Harris is intriguing to me. He's older than Byron.

We talk about cornerbacks. Now, guys, how much you know, how much longer will he play at a high level? But he's he's already one, been a lost whole owner at times in his life. He's probably trying to get away from Denver. They don't look like they're gonna be competing soon. He's the guy that you have to or that type of player is who you sign in free agency to prevent you from being forced to take a corner in the free ground, and if it falls to you,

you don't take right. That's exactly where you just you don't have to because because guess what you got to replace. Next year, you're probably going to be looking to replace Cheeto as well, Right, so you still want to go out and get yourself you're gonna get Even if you kept Byron, you still maybe probably want to draft a corner high in this draft, right. I think this, I think that is an overly optimistic idea of the type of player that they signed to ensure themselves. Like that's

a that's a high end signing. Like that's a guy that gets fans excited. That's the guy in one of them, and right now they're running low on them as of next year. But like, if that's the case, then the guy you draft replaces Cheeto, right the guy that the guy that you sign, Like just looking at the names, like the guy that you signed to ensure yourself is like Eli Apple or have y'all paid attention to what this team has done in free agency the last like

six years? What I'm saying, that's the type of guy Eli Apple, h Bradley, Robie Um. You could kick the tires on what's left of Josh Norman if you wanted to, Like, that's the type of stuff this team has done in the past is not necessarily Ut does Mike McCarthy have during the free agency? Well, hold on, we just talked about it before. Jason Witten wants to come back and he's not signed yet. He's got a big voice. Yeah,

that's a great point here, boy, right. But again, it's like I don't know when like McCarthy's used to do and during free agent, and you know it would be it would be a departure from what we've seen for the Cowboys to sign a contract that was worth more than two years and tens of millions of dollars like those are not the types of deals. You know, Randall Cobb was their best edition. He was one year what five? Yeah, Alan Hearns even was two years eleven or something like

that like that. It's just try to do it in the draft. And that's my point. So the free agent signing is going to be a corner Anthony Brown, Right, I'd honestly be fine with that. But but and that does give you some insurance so that if you want to go into draft, you know that at least you got a body and an experienced body, and you can put him out there and you feel play inside and

you know decent about it. When that person told me that they were gonna sign Anthony Brown, they said, you gotta have four, you gotta have four, you do so that just means they're gonna draft some body and then they're Honestly, I'm if Anthony Brown can be brought back on a decent deal, like just not breaking the bank. And I don't even want to throw numbers out there, but something that's not crazy, that gives you three, gives you two guys that can play and inside because Jordan

and maybe you can both do it. Then you're still gonna want to draft a corner, but you don't have to do it at seventeen, Right, what are you draft finding sign and Anthony Brown too? I don't because you know what that does agetting. Nobody's getting excited about this

at all about Anthony Brown. But what that does is that covers you for two years, because next year you're gonna take a hit with one of those two guys to leave, right George d People think so, then that kind of covers you for that year, not to mention

the guy you've drafted and all that. Barring something crazy, I probably would want a double dip at corner of this year, just like they did with Cheeto and Jordan, Like not maybe not back to back like they did, but like second, fifth, first and fifth, second and sixth something like. You know, based off what they do. You know, one of those guys is going to be a corner slash safety played two years year. There, We're forgetting that Donovan Wilson is going to be a pro bowler for

this team. We're forgetting about that. Well, I'll say that with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek. I'm sorry, get good. Since we started talking about the draft, and since a lot of people around the NFL have started creating mock drafts and all of that, I wanted to ask each in one of you, what position will you prefer to draft in the first round when the Cowboys come up? Dave, since you've been talking about the draft for weeks, now, let's start with you. I mean, the

obvious choice, if it makes sense, is honestly cornerback. I just I just don't think Byron will be here. And if you could get a Christian Fulton, who is a really good player, by the way, it's not just because he went to LSU, but I mean, there's a bunch of other guys um or it might well or the other logical one is like it might line up that edge rusher is a really good value there. Aj Epinessa is one of the best ones in this class. He could be there another LSU guy. I swear at Claven Chason.

It's not because I went to LU exactly. No, they've got They've got twenty five freaking players in this draft. Those are two guys. But then you guys know, I want to draft a wide receiver, like I just I mean, if we're sitting here saying, well, we feel all right about this cornerback, but maybe the value is a little a little strong, or you could take an insane wide receiver at seventeen and turn this offense into an even bigger jug or not like it's not responsible, but man,

it sounds fun. Like Henry Ruggs or Ceedee Lamb on this team. Let slams either he could be really seventeen. It's I doubt it, but it's yeah he's there, and they don't run up there to get him. Put his name in. It would be so Lamb. It would be surprising. You're just saying that because he towards it. No, he didn't just touch everybody ever was toting somebody. That guy's good. This receiver class disgust. But the one you didn't name him that I think they really need his defensive tackle.

That's another one. Draft me a defensive tackle, one of those big guys in there. You don't know about him yet, but you're gonna fall in love with Javon Kenny Law. Yeah, I've heard about him. Yeah, I've seen a little bit of tape. Six six six six three ten can play all. I mean, he could play three, he could play end in a three four, he could play nose tackle, he can play three techniqueless. Yeah, he was one that was Yeah, he grew up. I think his mom is still struggle.

He's got a really cool story, knows how to knows how to struggle, knows how to overcome adversity. He might not be there either. It's possible, is everybody to fall in love with that guy. It's very there's gonna be a really good player there for him. I just don't know what the value will be. Can I just do my Stephen Jones impression? We're sho gonna take best player available. We're gonna look the board. We're gonna study the board, and you know whatever it is. Honestly, that's how I

would say. Like when you first asked that question, my thought was, I'm the wrong person to ask that because I'm a big believer in I understand Justin Herbert. I understand you get the position you want, But I also believe opportunities present themselves based upon thinking about it from

the best player available. If a guy drops to you and he is an outstanding player, and it's at a position, by the way, I don't think there's a position on this team where you're like, well, we can't use him, Okay,

Justin Herbert Oregan he fell. If you feel great about Justin Herbert and you think he's better, like I've heard some people throw around the option of do you maybe look at trading Dak and going back to the well, I don't believe that, but but I do think that you look, you look across this, across the landscape with this team, I don't think there's a position right now, in my opinion, I can't use a player like That doesn't mean it's a player position of need, but there's

not a position where if I have a great player available available to me. I can't figure out how. Okay, let's say that there are good options out of each position, what would be the position that you they're all equal. If they're all equal, give me a big time safety. I just think they've been waiting, and I think that makes everything else better. I think your cornerbacks get better. I think your pass rush has a little more time.

I think everything gets better if you give me. Like I'm very interested in a guy like Delpit because he's a guy that, to me, you might be able to get a lot of value out of somebody like him because this last year wasn't as good as the year before, and maybe the ankle injury really was the issue, and maybe he really is a great player. But because of last year, he can drop a little farther in the first round and you can get him. Maybe you can

trade down and even get a guy like Delpit. But if you can come up with that kind of like, if you come up with a safety who is a game changing type safety, I'm all in on that. I think that's the position of need that the Cowboys haven't had forever. Here's the thing I agree with you. I came to this bummer of a conclusion the other day. Grant Delpitt and Xavier McKinney, those are the two names you're gonna hear LSU and Alabama. They're are widely considered

the two best safeties. I don't think either one of them is as good as Derwin James really, and the Cowboys were not interested in Derwin James at nineteen. But that's also different because you're talking about a different coaching staff, and we know that coaching staff had very Yeah, you're not interesting ideas on player acquisition. I still think I don't.

I mean, the front office is largely in place. You're right, and Mike McCarthy and his staff are going to have an input on this, But I think some of those philosophies go higher than the coaching staff. If you think Delpitt's two thousand eighteen season was an aberration, no, I think he's a hell of a player. He's a really, really good player, and it should be a first round pick. I don't think he's as good as Derwin James was

coming out. Okay, maybe we don't get Derwin James, but if we get a really, really, really good safety, does that not help this team? Yeah, but will the Cowboys be willing to draft him with that high of a yeah? But the thing is, asset is twenty three? Would you trade back to maybe a twenty three twenty four range?

But Derwin James, Derwin James isn't slip into seventeen based off of what how he played, And maybe that'll help the Cowboys, I mean, because no one expect I mean, he there's other teams that would have drafted him if they thought he would translate the way he did into the NFL. And he was a really really good player, dynamic player. So I think that the Cowboys might look at that and go, you know what, we were wrong on that this guy was better than we thought. It's possible, man,

Grant Delpit could do so much for you. And there are people with concerns about his tackling ability, but I'll take his coverage ability all day, like I got other I mean, I'm paying a bowload of money to two linebackers that are supposed to handle the tackling. Well, those tackling issues a problem in two thousand eighteen. Boys, it just last year. They were better in eighteen. But he, I mean, he's got documented issues well that's gonna that's

gonna be last year a lot. Yeah, tackling, Yeah, absolute, So get He's got eight picks the last two years. He can play Who's I want that center fielder? He can play center field, he can play nickel, he can do all that stuff. Who's your band aid at safety? In March? You gotta get somebody Jeff Heath. Jeff he said that a month ago, and y'all got mad. I get mad. You could sign Jeff Heath for pennies on the dollar by NFL standards, like three year deal. I

don't know. I've said the six million dollars? Is that crazy? Eight million? Guys, you're so mad right now? Cared. He'll just be careful about that because remember, where's what's Jeff Heath's best position? Special teams? Okay, Rich Bisaccia sitting in Oakland, he's the coach there, Jason Garrett, that staff, Jerome Henderson, don't say this. There was the Giants. I'm just saying, but I think he's gonna have a better free agent market than you think he's got. He's got a house here,

he just had a kid. He'll have a house forever because he doesn't pay state taxes just him and had a house here when he went to Arizona. Like it happens. You can pick up a kid and move him. I can turn me like they don't have to see in the same I don't care who gets mad at me for sorry Dad's Dad's going to Jacksonville. I'm just saying, come on, kid, the commute, the ten minute commute down the Dallas North Tollway is better than you're moving to

New York. Money football, same, Yeah, it'll be, but it also will be about opportunity too. I mean, you got to remember this is a football player, and he may say I got more opportunities in Oakland or more opportunity in New York than I'm going to have in Dallas. I'm seas guy m Yeah, for sure he does. With the team goes with the super duper duper interested in upgrading the safety position. I'd love to have Delpitt or McKinney on this team, but I would still make Jeff

Heath a high priority in March, just as a band aid. Yep, that's all right. Well I'm not I'm not totally against that. I'm just saying I don't want I really don't want to go into next season with him as your pencil starter. Hopefully. I think they should. I need, I think they need to upgrade that position. Antoine Winfield is another name I want to throw on y'all's radarter junior because he is that guy's son that I was about to say. That

name sounds anything like him. His dad was a really good play His son hits like an s ob and has really good coverage skills. Okay, take him. I mean, where's where's he projected? Right now? Where do you go to school? Minnesota? Okay? I would hope. I would hope to get him at pick fifty one in the second round. But it's it's hard to nail down all those evaluations because I remember Darnell Savage actually the kid that green

Bay drafted. He would like some people were saying he was like a third round pick, and green Bay took him in the first round, so I would when Fields probably like a second round pick though. Okay, all right, well I get that kind of gotten second round him in. There are all kinds of possibilities here, so we shall see when the time comes. Let's see what happens, all right, Well, anything else you guys want to add we're done. Hi, they we're good. We're good. Is there gonna be a

show next week? I don't know. I won't be here, We'll be at the No combine, Yeah, so combine. So we're looking for the show Draft Picks. We actually will be doing the Draft show. I think throughout next week, right, will be multiple episodes of that, so I don't know if we'll have a break episode. We will have multiple episodes. I can't wait to join it. The Draft Show. Now, Colin,

you're welcome, I don't think so. No. Yeah, we're gonna to just evaluate the drills and they're like black guy, We'll give you half a segment on give us the latest Cowboys news and drill. All right, guys, well, make sure just to visit the website just to know when those shows are going to be happening. And that's it for today. Thank you so much for tuning in. For Derek Hilton, Nicki Men, David Hellman, a member GARCIA. This has been the break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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