Cowboys Break: Will Dez Affect The Draft?

news here. Rob Phillips, I'm just kidding. Rob Phillips and Bergarcia, Dave Helman. I'm Nick Eatman. This is this week's version of the Break here in the Evening News or Cowboys Podcast, a little bit of both, even though that way it's not even new. It currently all right, I'm trying to figure out academy sports and outdoors the studio. This is kind of still a little bit new for us. But

we're going to talk cowboys. We're not talking cowboys. We're going to talk cowboys, even though we've got Rob Phillips from Talking Cowboys. Thanks for a very different show. Thanks for filling in. How's it different, you know, different personalities, a lot less grumpy. Yes, how different, Bro, It's again, different different personalities, different, different folks, happier folks. Maybe, Okay, maybe I was just saying a little bit more hair

over here. Yeah that's true. Yeah, all right, Well everybody's well. Derek's still out. He's he's one that's out. I think he's in Las Vegas or something work related. But Rob, you just got back from a trip. Dave was last week going all over Texas. I was traveling to Amber. I don't know if you've been anywhere this month. I know you were chilling. Well, bully for you. I was gonna say, I'm I'm don't ask me what I do

during the off season. That's my new like like like you make small talk with people and they're like, well, what do you do in the off season? It's sust it sucks to answer that because you've got an answer, but nobody really understands it. So it's just kind of like, this must be a really easy time, and you know, for it's really not false. It's not And you always say the off season ends like right now, so that's a comforting thought. We're only like halfway through, but once

you get the draft time traveling. We've got what OTA's coming up next month. People people like to roll their eyes at this, but like, starting from the day the draft starts, every week after that there is a football related activity happening until training camp. Well, and then I mean they take June off from but from from early May until the end of June, there's dudes out on the field doing football stuff at least once a week for the for two months, like they're off season is

basically over for all intents and purposes. Well, Rob, but you got a little bit smarter yesterday. That's the way I always been. This happens briefly kind of explained where you went to Florida and what's going on there. Yeah, went down to South Florida. Kent Garrison as well interviewed a legend former Cowboys head coach Bill Parcels for a Deep Blue that we're doing and what August doing. He's doing great. He's seventy six years old now, which he told me that, and I was It just didn't strike

me that he's that age because you think about it. Okay, he left the Cowboys he was mid sixties, but he's fully into retirement. He has thirteen horses. He's training horses now raising him. You said it was a training him, which my uncle used to do that, and that's not cheap. But he's got some money, so you know he's doing it. It was a hard out, you said, ten forty five he had to go. Was it like golf? He looked golf he was, He was dressed. He was golf. He

dressed for sure. I don't know for sure what he was up at. Probably golf. He lives down there and enjoys it. Um. We had a good visit. We're gonna we're gonna document the O three season, his first year in Dallas and how he kind of changed the culture and how I think it's still there's still ripple effects today for what they do around here, some of some of the philosophy and stuff. So he shook things up,

and he was entertaining, like you said, we always learned something. Yeah, when he was running press conferences here, pretty funny stuff. So it'll be good. I do miss those press conferences. I'm all more entertaining than the ones we sit through now. It's true, well lightly slightly, yeah, And you know when Wade Phillips took over. It was from Bill to Wade, it was, it was a bunch of it was a change. But then when Garrett it's it's been. It's just kind

of gone one way a little bit. Yeah, look Fellas, look Fellas. All right, So the Cowboys, it's been a little bit of news here. I guess in the last a few weeks. There may be a little bit more in the next few days, but coming I would imagine it with Cony Ely, Cony Ealy signing Cowboys with signed defensive end Cony Ely, what does this mean? This just another guy that can come in here and I love to hear brought to this opinion on that. He was very passionate about the Cowboys not signing this guy or

why they would sign him. But we went over all that already. Well, but I mean, and we talked about this. I was on talking. We're just we're kind of just double dipping, double dipping. But it's a little bit of both. I think it's it's this is a very reminiscent signing of a lot of things the Cowboys have done. Honestly, it makes me think of Jonathan Cooper a little bit, A highly touted guy his career probably hasn't worked out the way he thought it would given his draft stock.

The Cowboys loved him, they brought him in on a visit, and he's available for for a cheap price. He's on a one year deal. I think only two hundred grand of his contract is guaranteed. So at best, he's a guy who could come in and maybe find the form that made him a top I think fifty draft pick or whatever it was, and really be a big piece of your pass rush. And at worst, he's a guy that you don't you're not obligated to if if, if

it doesn't work out. I don't think there's anything that keeps them from cutting him if they decide that that's the best way forward. So boom boom, a high potential, low risk I guess that's what I'm trying to say to me. That's he's Demontre Moore's the same him. Well yeah, okay,

hopefully without hopefully without the bag, hopefully without that. And this is a guy maybe this a little different because this is a guy they had their eye on four years ago, interested in him in the draft, put in acclaim for him, I think so last year, last year, Yeah, yeah, so you know, they obviously like him a lot. Dave said, low risk. If he can step in be part of a rotation, we'll see. Now. I'm interested to see how it works so with Taco because he's got to earn

the snaps. But he got a lot of snaps after Demontre Moore left and seemed to play better. So what do you do there? Bottom line is Rod likes as many possible ends as as he can. I mean, he just wants, he just wants to shuffle guys in and out. But at some point, I think you'd like to see Taco take the next step. Well, I would hope, and I mean, who know, it's it's April, but I would hope Cony Eely could work the right side with Tyrone Crawford and Taco could work the left with DeMarcus Lawrence.

That's what I would like to see. I think I would put Taco at left end. I'm not trying to turn that guy into a right end. Um three tech work defensive tackle in general, but three tech if I can for sure, because he talked about he told us last year he's playing heavier and maybe end was a possibility. Well, and he played some end in twenty sixteen, not so much last year. Yeah, Um he could. I he's so disruptive at tackle, and I think, I mean there's some

stuff you got to figure out there. I know this is assuming he'll be back, right, I mean it's April. What's today, April eleventh, So I mean in the deadlines in nine days, we haven't heard a lick of news about some of the offering David Irving a contract, So I'm assuming he'll be here. Um, I would play him at tackle. I wonder because I think Millie Collins is a better three tech. Uh and David Irving is great at upting the pastor too, so I wonder how they'll

balance that out. But and what are they draft? Yeah? Draft draft somebody that could change everything? I think. I think when you're you're talking about the end though, you've got Cony Eely, Now you've got Taco Amber there. If there's a great defensive end sitting there at nineteen, none of these two guys, and even with the Marcus on a one year deal, nobody's sitting at a defensive vent. That's going to prevent you from drafting another one, right,

I mean one round, first first round? No, we're talking nineteen. I mean, yeah, No, nobody's going to prevent you from from taking that spot. No, I mean because the Marcus Lawrence is a key part two. I mean, he's not it's not a guarantee that he's going to come back. You don't. You die enough guys right now to get the job done, and that I feel good about. Is

it great? Like again bringing this guy in? Yeah, he could take reps away from Taco, But at the same time, you you want to allow that because what if Taco goes out, then you want the guy coming up next to we prepare us. Well, yeah, it's good. Rod wants eight guys and just move them in and now keep him fresh. So he wants he's all about quantity. I sat next to him yesterday eating lunch, and he's a lot closer to a three technique, if not a one

technique than he is talking about. I thought you're talking about Rod For a second. I was like, right, I don't think he should play any position? No, no, probably not. But Tony Ealy is a big guy. I mean, and if he plays in that's great. Remember he was playing in a three four scheme and defensive end. So you know, to me, three four defensive ends really a tackle and right and that maybe that's where they're gonna they're gonna

play him. But totally, he's gonna have to change some things around a little bit to be to be an end. But you know what's Taco's biggest problem, strength, you know, just and so maybe you're getting a guy that can that can play the run a little bit. So it'll be interesting to see. But I think it's a good move. I mean, he's not. It's probably great for him. It's absolutely a good one. I mean, this is as good

as I think. I believe, this is as good as I've felt about the Cowboys pass rush in the time that I've covered the team. Just I mean, they got they got guys and no, I mean it's not it's not like the Von Miller, DeMarcus ware Denver pass rush, but it's I think it's got a chance to be really good. Especially I assume I know they're going to add to it one way or the other, whether that's with an edge rusher at nineteen or a d tackle

in the third or fourth round. They will draft. I think they will spend a valuable draft pick on a defensive lineman at some point, so you add that guy into the mix, And honestly, I think that's important because as good as they are primed to be this year, there's not a lot of certainty for next year. I mean, DeMarcus is on a one year deal, Tyrone's coming up on the end of his contract. Irving, if he plays here, will likely be on a one year deal. Elie's on

a one year deal. Obviously, that's who we're talking about. So you've got a lot of question marks for twenty nineteen. So I think, you know, even with all the bodies on the line, I think drafting guys is a great idea. Ye seems like this signing too, which is interesting to me. Yeah, well, a little scary if you judge just straight off your mentions.

But I felt like, I feel like they seem to like the fact that it was a low cost guy who's got some upside who they've heard about before, which is a little different from the reactions we got early in not to be where it's like, oh, you're just signing low, low risk, low cost guys. I'm not trying to be a total jerk, but fans get excited if they know the name and Elie was a guy that they brought in. I mean he was an official visitor. He was on the cover of our draft magazine a

couple of years ago. I mean, he was a big time prospect and he has speaking of which speaking of draft magazines or Daniel's plug, yes, and he's I mean he has today nine five online. He has tapped into that potential at points in his career. I mean, I think we said it when we when we knew he was coming into visit before we even signed. If the Panthers had won Super Bowl fifty, he probably would have been the MVP. Like he played out of his mind.

So there's talent there that he can hopefully tap into. It's just a matter of whether or not he do it. Here, all right, let's shift gears a little bit to the wide receiver position. I was going to ask you a question. It wasn't about wide receiver. Okay, Well you you went to Canada and you did you had a trip over there visiting. Uh, what is Crawford's Camp's name? Oh? I thought you said, what is his name? It was Tyrone Crawford. No,

his camp that he does Windsor's finest the Gods. There you go, But the point is, here's something I'm curious about. You got a chance to talk to Tyren Smith, and yeah, he spoke about his injury and how he's feeling right now. Right, So how did he look out there? I know he wasn't obviously doing on my list to talk about Tyrans. Sorry, sorry, I'm just saying. I mean, you got a chance to talk to him. He's going to be on the team, so we'll jump I mentioned you're trolling the implications around.

He's going to be on this team for years. He's the guy left tackle. I did talk to him a little bit. He was doing He's doing great, he says, he feels as good as he's felt in a long long time his backfield, he said, great, amazing and awesome. How believable was that? Was it convincing? Well? Usually I believed him, you know, I mean I think it was.

It was convincing. Um typically, you know, when I'm looking up at somebody like that, I say, when you go to shake, you got to shake Tyrant Smith's hand, and he just develops yours in this bear claw. Yeah, yes, Tyran sounds good. Yeah, whatever you sad better, whatever you say. Jerry did second that By the way, though the owner's meetings of a couple weeks ago, he said no indication from what he's been told he should be fine in terms of his health. Had the decision to have surgery

and there really was no need for it. There no need for surgery, which is which is good. So let's let's see what happens. I mean, you're not going through practices every single day, and I know which your point is that, You're like, I'll believe it when I see it. When and he's got to go through sixteen games, I get it, but I think for right now he's feeling good. Well, it's good to hear that. Anyway, he's got to go. He's got and I'm such a huge tyrant Smith family.

He doesn't have to go through sixteen games. He's got to go through like five practices in Oxnard. Where he does. I mean, if we get out there, if if the narrative all offseason is that he feels as good as he hasn't forever, and we get out there and on day four he's on a vet day, I'm just like, ah, well, what's going on? Um? So That's what I'm curious to know. I want to know when we when they really start playing football, even in just a practice setting, how's that

going to hold up? And not that they're concerned, but they are clearly taking steps to improve their depth there. Now, we don't know how that's all going to shake out in terms of that. Sound like, wow, Collins wants to play. They might have improved their depth there. Well, they don't know that. They've taken steps to try to. Yeah, at least they brought in a guy who's played in the Super Bowl, started in the Super Bowl, Cameron Fleming, So

we'll see. They're obviously they looked at tyrant situation and said we've got to upgrade the backup spot. Yeah, Jazz Green is still on this football team. I think I think they did better than getting a Byron Bell. I think from what they did two years ago, I think Fleming and Martin are Marcus Smartin are better. But you're right. I think it's all stems on Tyrn Smith and then what happens there with Lionel Collins. I think Lyle's got a chance to move inside, but I don't think he

is going to move in there. I think the Cowboys are thinking about that. I think just like they're thinking about Zach Martin playing tackle one day if he needs to. I think if you move a guy to write tackle and he does well in his first year, I think they'd be foolish to move him inside. We're gonna it's gonna be fascinating because on this very set yesterday brought us said in his gut he thinks that Lyle's gonna move,

and I agree, I agree wholeheartedly with you. The point I was trying to make Rob is they've only done something about their depth. If they don't try to make guys move, I'm like, you only have you only have three good tackles if one of them is not playing guard otherwise, then you just have two good tackles again, and we'll see what happens. Yeah, and so yeah, I don't. I mean, I think I've said it in as many ways as I can by now that I hate that idea. I mean, we'll see what they decide to do. And

then obviously the draft plays into that as well. If they draft an offensive tackle high, then that gives them a little bit of freedom to play around if they want to. But same with guard. Yeah, yeah, that's that's exactly what we talked about. With David Irving. You know, let's see if they get an end or tackle, it might decide where he plays. I think if they get a guard or a tackle an offense here, that might decide where Lyle plays. That's that's the advantage of a

position flex. But it's not really good for the player. We've talked about this on Talking Cowboys. I'm sure you guys have two player. What do we say about Byron Jones? You know, versatility great? Do you still at this point three years in, where does he play? That's I think with Lyle you saw enough progress. I thought he played his best football down the stretch, even when he kind of dealing with a back injury. He might have been the best player on the team down the last month

of the season. In all honesty, all the top guys that he faced, all the reps, he got what you invested. To me, he's he's such a piece of what you're trying to do going forward. I wouldn't move him back, but again, it's that whole best five thing, So we'll just see how it shakes out. I hate the best. Well, hey man, that's just my opinion right now. Don't don't mutter it. Say I hate the best five thing. I hate it. I did too, because because Lyell Collins is

a good right tackle. Yeah, but he's not necessarily a good as good at guard. I mean, who's to say that just because he's the best five. This isn't basketball where they all kind of can do the same things, which just the best five players play. It's it's different.

I understand the logic, but I agree with you guys, because I think you could argue Chaz Green, if he hadn't started at guard, he might have been a better tackle when needed to play late in the season because he had spent those reps at tackle in training camp and not trying to play another position. They tried to do that best five thing with him and then moved him back to tackle, and when he did was time

to play, obviously he struggled. Yeah, all right, I agree with Let me just add real quick to throw it in to that, but real quick if that was the case, I mean, I wouldn't be feeling devastated. I would obviously rather um Lyle Collins have played tackle, But him playing a guard, he still did a good job there, and he I think he's good enough of a player to overcome that and be great at guard too. So I don't worst thing in the world. I don't disagree with you,

but it's just like why why I get it? But worst case, I mean, it's still not a worst case hashtag best five. I'm gonna reserve. I'm gonna reserve getting too angry about it until we see what happens in the draft. But I don't I have another theory about this that that could be what the Cowboys are thinking. Here, we'll take a break. Here, we'll be back and we can discuss the offensive tackle and then maybe we'll get to the wide receiver place, maybe talk about as well.

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John Deer dealer dot com. Slash football terms, conditions, exclusions, and warranty limitations apply so you can to love for details. Back to the break, All right, back there on the break. Rob Phillips sitting in, Thank you for joining us. Derek is sitting out, Thanks for having again again. He's a busy man. We do the show one more than half of the shows we've done. Well. I'm curious about it. I don't really don't know why. But when he comes back and he starts to to bring out the total

of you know, episode fourteen, right, I don't know. You think he's gonna be caught up? I mean, yes, he will. It's in the back of his head. All right, real quick, let's continue talking about offensive tackle guard Layelle Collins situation. Do you think it's possible the Cowboys are looking at this like maybe maybe they do draft a tackle and thinking, all right, we'll move Lyle in. That's that'll get our best five on the field. But the tyrant injury. You

never know what's going to happen again. Maybe next year is going to be just as bad as last year. Maybe it's gonna be worse. Maybe it's better to have more tackles there. So Lyle we think of him as a tackle long term, but right now we're trying to figure this out. We have a chance to get an offensive tackle sitting in nineteen. Maybe they go that route. Absolutely, and Mike McGlinchey was a visitor and arguably the best tackle in the draft. They brought him in. I mean,

I can't imagine why they would do that. I mean, you want you want your options as wide open as possible. Notre Dame, I mean Notre Dame's I mean, oh line, you my god, Zach Martin, Ronnie Stanley, this kid, Quentin Nelson. Yeah, Anyway, the only reason I could think that they would consider drafting that guy is to move Lyle to guard and have Mike McGlinchey or who Connor Williams whoever be your swing tackle behind Cam Fleming. That would be my guest.

But if you don't draft to tackle, it makes more logical sense to just have Fleming as your swing tackle, Yes, because then if something happened to Tyrone and you've got Fleming at your right tackle, then what do you do? You move Collins back to tackle and have to shuffle

him out, and then you got to replace guard. I think it's you're you're changing out so many pieces at that point, it would be smart of them to try to draft a guard with one of their I mean an offensive lineman with one of their more valuable picks. And whether that's a guard or a tackle, I think we'll say a lot about what they plan to do. Yeah, you could do either, because I think correct me if

I'm wrong. Both those guys, Martin Fleming won year deals. Yes, Like I mean, I had Will Hernandez all mocked a G nineteen and you changed it last night. I don't think there's anything. I don't think you needed to change it because I think that's still something they can consider doing. Well, Okay, I would do that, would you? Yeah? Well, with the Mickey's not here today, because he'll jump right over the table at you, but speaking of different personalities, saying shows, huh, why, well,

because maybe he's not number one. Would you play your number one over my first round pick right away? Maybe not? So are you wasting a pick and you're one? He also thinks you could get a guy in the second or Mickey thinks. Mickey thinks that he's forgetting about David Arkin, and he's got he's got a point. I Mackey just thinks it's a little absurd to need to use a

first round pick essentially on your entire offensive line. I mean, which I can see the point, but again, the draft is all about best value, like what like what's there for you where you're picking, and how does it make sense? And if it's a guard, then just draft the guard. I don't think that will be the case, but I wouldn't kill him for making that pick. I look at it from a value standpoint. When you're in the nineteenth pick and you can get a guard like that, you're

gonna get one of the better guards. And I think you make that decision before you draft him. About canny play or not. That's what you have forty seven scouts all over the place that they're sitting there and probably living in El Paso for a while. Can this guy come right in and play if he can, that he's worth the pick. It's not. Those are decisions not to mention.

I mean I say this all the time. Off guard is maybe the only big position of need on this team where a first round pick would definitely play one hundred percent of the snaps. I think it'd be great. So maybe I'll change my two cent next time. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, maybe it's a receiver. My argument has been I'll let just well segue that. I'm just

saying maybe, yeah, maybe maybe they will. I just feel like it's the strength of your football team, and it became not the strength of your football team last season. Everything's built around Zeke and making sure the table is set for Dak Prescott. You gotta make sure it's fixed, and if that, you can find a guy who's going to step in and dominate for you year one. I mean, yeah, take him. Tyrn Smith missed three games last year that just missed the whole game, and then there's two others

that he missed most of it as well. I think Oakland and Seattle. He tried to play a little bit and couldn't. Yeah, those five games, the Cowboys gave up nineteen sacks in those five games. They gave up thirty two overall for the year. Nineteen of them came in those five games. And I know Atlanta was the big one, but I mean even after that with the Eagles the next week, it was four. Yeah, so it was not pretty, not pretty. All right, let's go, let's talk about wide receiver.

There we're there finally, Well what about it? What about it? Katie Cannon's a guy that can come in and really do some thing strikes the field. I think we're gonna talk about Brian Brown release. They cut Brian Brown. What does that do to shake it up? Now? Lancelin Or did a nice job. Bryant talk about Well, there isn't any news right now, and then we're getting close to the offseason conditioning program, which starts next week April sixteenth,

on Monday. They better figure this out with Dez Bryant. They need to figure it out is he on the team or not before this thing starts. And that's the question I'll ask you, guys, do you think that he will be Do you think this thing will be resolved? How about that? One way or another. Do you think it will be resolved this week and that means he's cut or they come out and say Dez is on the team, and they're probably gonna come out and say it in a way of like, what are you guys

talking about? He's on the team, he's got a contract. I've been out a couple of days. Sorry, Dave, I've been out a couple of days. Came back and you brought this up, and I hadn't thought about this timeline wise, guys coming back in the building, voluntary ball, terry offseason program. You don't want guys getting hurt. I've always thought you wait till after the draft and you see what you do in the draft. But maybe maybe they don't wait

to have a resolution. And Jerry did say a couple of weeks ago he was trying to meet with him in the short you know, short term period of time. So maybe this is the week they're gonna meet. I think we know that. I think that we have figured out here that they are going to meet this week and they're probably going to meet on Friday of this week to talk about it. Maybe that means something's going to happen. Then maybe it doesn't, but I mean, I'm

surprised they haven't met earlier. But from what we're hearing, it sounds like they're going to talk on Friday, and I hope so, honestly, because for the life of me, I can't figure out why this is why this has gone on this long. Because yeah, like the logical conclusion is to think, well, they'll wait till after the draft,

see what happens in the draft. But they don't want a guy that they plan on cutting to blow his knee out during voluntary workouts which start Monday, which, assuming he wants to come, I don't know, but you can't open yourself up to that risk. But if that was in your mind all along, why why did you wait till now? Like, I don't really get it. I don't understand why they've been talking about potentially sitting down with this guy since January and it's it'll be April thirteenth

on Friday, and that's oh, Friday thirteenth. Oh is that right? Yeah? My goodness, goodness, gracious, Jerry did say a couple of weeks ago in Florida, Jason's involved. Huh, Jason's he probably the machette guy. Halloween. Halloween man, oh the uh there's a lot of cuts. God my god, all right show Jerry said Timelines had had conflicted so so far in this offseason. I I agree. I mean it's been well, guys, get you call them, you pick up the phone, you

get your phone, you open it up. Okay. I know, I know Dez went to Australia an iPhone, and I know the front office went on vacant. Like I don't I don't believe that. I don't believe that there wasn't a day in February or March where Dez could drive up here from South Lake, okay and sit down for twenty minute. I think we kind of know what what they were doing by I mean, they probably have a

price tag. They would like Dez to play four yeah and say and you do it right there in March thirteenth, when Alan Robinson's getting fourteen million a year and everyone's getting all this this big money, and then you cut them, Dez is gonna get a contract if you wait, you wait, you wait a little bit. Maybe the money's dried up a little bit and it's to the point where, okay, now will you play for this? Which I still think the ends there would be. No, that's just you look

at this roster and it's Dave's talked about it. I mean, it's there are so many receivers here and there's only so many passes they're going to go around, especially when you're a run first offense. I don't know how it all shakes out at this point, assuming does is on the team, still like they've got to figure it out. I know they say competition, but you signed Allen Hearns to play for you next year, right and play some

play some meaningful snaps, I would think. I don't. I don't know how it makes sense with Dez on the team, honestly, I don't. I don't know how you spread. I mean, you've got you've got two receivers that work only in the slot. You've got Terrence Williams and Alan Hearns. I would hope you're at least going to give Noah Brown a chance to compete to keep his job at training camp, and then they are taking a hard look at receivers in the draft. No, they're going to draft, that's the

other part of it. Yeah, and so again, I don't know how you make the numbers make sense. With Dez on the team, not just from a financial aspect, but how you make the offense go. I mean, I wrote a column about this last week. There's so much writing on the wall, there's so much smoke, and I don't feel comfortable saying for sure what's going to happen. But they sure want people to believe they're going to do

something with Dez. I mean that that is what every indication points toward, is that he's not going to be on this team, you know what, That's what it looks like. I don't think at this point they should do anything before the draft as far as taking action, but obviously you should meet with him and figure out where each person stands in or is that how he's saying what their stands is right there and you know, saying what

does is willing to do or not? If that's the case, you know, I think that at the end of the day, maybe this was a good strategy to wait. And I think playing mind games, you're you're letting this you know it is scary, but you know, we know he's a very emotional guy and this actually hurts him a lot. Hearing all the negative comments on social media and all that from the media. But if they do that, you think Daz would become a little more rational when it

comes to that meeting. And if they were wanting to ask him for a pay cut, wouldn't he accept We've talked about that on our show. If if you come to him in a respectful way, say this is what we're trying to do, there's nothing you think he would he would agree to that because he wants to be here.

I don't think he wants to play for any other football Yeah, He's never wanted to play for any other There's nothing respectful about letting this drag out until April thirteenth and now have supposedly Let's say they talk Friday and this is the first time they've talked. There's nothing respectful about that. Well, comes down as to business, there's a way. I think there's a way you can handle it in a business like fashion without I mean, I agree with you about the business, but the business has

not changed, Like his contract hasn't changed. All that stuff that we knew has been sitting there and they you know, it's not like. That's why I think something's going to happen. I really do think he will probably be released at this point because I can't imagine how you would sit down and talk and now you look at this contract and go, oh, we can do that. I mean, it's the same as it's always been. That's kind of my point.

This is the Romo thing to me, like all over again, different types of circumstances, but and I don't know what the end result is going to be. And Tony ultimately was let go. He asked for his release. But I think it was a year ago today. Did it happened just about this one this week? Yeah, something like that.

And it was the same type thing. It dragged on and Jerry talked about how we have great communication, but there wasn't a resolution, and I you know, that has lasted a long time here as it dragged on, what happened? What was Tony doing? He was working a deal for CBS, he was he already could do his next move and all that he was right, you know, and by that time he had a plan, he was cut. He was doing this and he had dad was on the team. And at this point, when it comes to wide receiver,

who is better than this right now? I mean, yeah he's not. He didn't do great, but we all agree that he is the best player. They got a wide receiver, I think so, yeah, I would agree with yea from the time you don't have it back a wide receiver that comes in and whiles everyone and everyone's excited about and yeah, you know they have to get that guy.

First look at Alan Hearns and you say, two years ago he had that type of season that potentially a thousand yard guy, but he's had injuries and does it's had injuries, and so maybe that's they're looking at their numbers and saying, hey, we you know, competition, depth, all that kind of stuff. Here's the other thing too, is you mentioned it Dez isn't He's not gonna get Sammy Watkins money if he is released, Like he's not just

gonna pace the market. But he's the type of much like Tyrn Matthew back at the height of free agency, he's the type of free agent where when he hits the open market, eight to twelve front offices are gonna perk up and be like, like, we could make the money for this guy, right, yeah, like we can offer this guy a competitive deal, like somebody will want him,

Like he will not be if he is released. I'll be shocked if he's unemployed for more than like five days, and unless the money is just outrageous for one particular team. But I guarantee, if you're not on the Cowboys schedule, I don't think he's interested. Now, what if the Cowboys are thinking that, sorry, what if you know how Jerry said that they do have the money for it to pay for it as long as that person is being productive and you know, balancing of and making it worth

the money. What if they're thinking that he can be that guy this year, I mean, and he and just take the risk for it. If they think he can be that guy and that it goes back to sitting on the bus with Jerry at the combine and he said he said something like that like, well, we can make this work if we want to. We need to talk with with Dez. And somebody asked me the question was like, well, if you think he's a number one receiver, why do you have to have a conversation at all?

Like why do you keep talking about how you need to have this talk if nothing has to change? So I don't buy that at all. So, like I just it's you're saying they've they've prepared for life without him, Yes, if they so choose to take that step. Sure, two receivers they're looking at receivers are theoretically they're prepared for life with him, like they could carry money, they could make it work. But like, why is there so much

smoke to the contrary. If they're okay with that, like everywhere and that's all we're talking about, we're talking about then potentially releasing him right now, that's how Like, that's just how the insane amount of speculation and anonymous information that's come out about how they might want to do that, it's just for it to amount to nothing would surprise me. At this point. I keep thinking of the movie A Few Good Men. If Santiago wasn't in danger, why did

it need to be transferred off the base? Great movie, maybe my favorite ever. Hey, maybe maybe there's some you know what, maybe there's some truth to what Jerry said to us at the ribbon cutting grand opening of The Star a couple of weeks ago. Did you hear what he said? My memories part? He said, um, not running over the art, right, he said? He was joking. Maybe there's a hint of truth, he said, I told Dez to stay away from the building because I just want

this to stay in the news. Oh, let's just keep the headlines going. Let's keep the cowboys on here age he buried its second segment, Wow, point, we did guard talking, Hey, drawing ourselves. There's probably some validity to that. In all honesty, I mean, it's it has It has been a talking point from December until today, with without much in the

way of developing as a story. I mean, Dez talked in February before the combine, so like Dez talked two months ago, and that's really been the only development in this story since. And it's still just has this crazy shelf life because people want to know, and we do too. We're sorry it can't be of more help. You're the one who has the power to make the decision. Are you in a rush? You can make the decision whenever

you want. I wouldn't be in a rush. But again, like, I get the point, but I'm just saying, if I'm looking at another perspective of it, I don't see the point we talked about at the start of the segment. You probably want to have it resolved before he shows up for workouts if he decides to so if you can't wait until the draft, then I don't see the

point in dragging it out. Yeah, I would have. You're right, they don't have to rush, and there is a business aspect to this, But I would have think that you could have at least had a conversation with the guy by this. And now I don't disagree. I'm just trying to make sense of it. Good luck sense side of all this. All right, we're gonna take our last break. We'll be back. We'll talk a little bit more about

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I've got the cover here. You can get your copy of both online and the physical magazine still exists here at the Cowboys Star Courtland Sutton, Christian Kirk, James Washington. See what we did there. Wide receivers we talked about there. You can get implying anything four ninety five. You can shop Dallas Cowboys dot com or one eight seven seven NFC Boys wide receiver. You think they're gonna get a wide receiver in this draft? I mean not in this draft.

They got ten picks, they get everybody but a deep snapper in this draft. But first two days you think, you think that they're there. Friday, we're gonna see a wide receiver here, I do. Yeah, m with or without Dez, yes, one way or the other. Which it's so weird because it doesn't make sense for them to do that if that is on the team. But I just try to read the tea leave. Let's think about it. If is on the team twenty eighteen, is he on the team in nineteen? For sure? Do you know he's on the

team in nine? Probably not? Terrence Williams probably not. Then got to get a receiver Cole Beasley contract year? Yeah, no, I got Switzer right right, But I mean you're talking about a guy. I think you don't get a receiver regardless of who you have. I agree, And that's why you know you get Hearn's on what a two year deal? Yeah, I'm not I'm not convinced it will be nineteen, but I think by the end of Friday, I think they'll

have added a receiver. That's my guess. Let's say it is nineteen, Ridley, is that is that the one guy that makes the most sense. I know you love DJ Moore. I love DJ Moore, and I try not to push that on other people because I don't want to push him in the wrong direction. I want to try to make people sound smart. But they brought DJ More in on a visit, sure, that's and that is we know that is the tell all indicator of who they want to draft in the first round. I feel confidence saying

they're not going to get him at fifty. So if they brought him in on a visit, that to me, that says they're at least toying with the idea of drafting him nineteenth. Overall, they at least want to cover their bases real quick. Rub If if they go to nineteen, if they trade nineteen back to like let's say twenty six, pick up a third or maybe a late second in that process and get DJ More, are you gonna be is I do? I would try to do a backflip.

I was gonna say Cartwell, I was gonna say cartwill backfl I had some money going on that, I'll Joe. I don't think. I don't think, but I don't think that's realistic because there's a couple teams like that's kind of his range is twenty two to twenty six. I know the Carolina Panthers picking at twenty four love him. They brought him in for a thirty visit earlier this week.

It's kind of one of those things where people will be like, oh, nineteen is too rich for DJ Morries, shut up and pick him because he's gonna go twenty three. Like is the difference between nineteen and twenty three that vast um? But no, if they if they can trade back and get him, that would be awesome. I don't. I'm not banking on it to happen, but I'd be excited. Who would be Rob? Who would be your receiver of choice here? Nineteen or fifty? Or man? What about my

man right here on the cover? Man the age. I don't know where he fits with the Does he play inside or outside? But I don't know where where he fits at at and T Stadium, and that's in the end zone because every time he plays there it gets Arkansas. He's scoring two or three touchdowns a game. To me, yes, bring him. I don't. I don't know if he can play outside in this league consistently, And O'Brien has questions about that. I trust Brian, trust Dave two, but trust

Bryan No, I trust both. But he's just a smart player who gets open, finds the way he runs routes correctly. He's explosive, deceptively explosive. He can return kicks for you. I feel like he's gonna end up going to aim like New England, and he's gonna have a Super Bowl ring because I just think he's I just think he's he's a guy who's gonna wind up play right here. He's gonna play ten years in the league and be

really really productive for somebody that play right there. And I remember this game and they're one of his six touchdowns that game against Arkansas. But it was a really great play because he's trying to figure out where to get open. He's the play breaks down, the guy rolls out and he just finds a crease. That to me, is a guy that knows how to yes even when

you you want to run. Chris Browse, now this play, we could just stop this because this is gonna right there right yeah, I mean, this is this is what you're drafted right there. I mean, just and see people say he's not fast. That's what I don't understand. And it's kind of I'll say this, he looks he looks far more electric on the field than he does when he's running, like the forty. Which that's that's what you want.

I think you have. I think you have to say the same thing for this other guy on our our magazine here James Washington, which I know you don't really love him as a as a receiver, but he is a guy that will kind of run by people. Is here. Here we go, cure the tape. But um, you know, and I think it's the twenty eight that kind of looks like he's a he's a big running back, but

he can he can fly, he can get down the field. Here. Honestly, I'll say all three of these guys, I'm sure can we fire up some Courtland Sutton tape while we're at it, Because that's the three guys on the cover of our magazine. I feel boom, yeah, there we go. I feel similarly about all these guys. I mean, they're very different receivers. I'm down to draft any of them in the second round. I just don't want to use pick nineteen on them. No, we I'm talking cowboys. When you filled in a couple

of weeks ago. You think there's smoke with Alabama visit Jess and Garrett the staff going down there. I think it's more, you know, I've done it before. There's a lot of draftable prospects. You're kind of you know, two birds with one stone kind of a thing, or nineteen whatever. How many guys are gonn get drafted. I think if you, if you are drafting receiver at nineteen, Ridley, ready made route running, can just step in and play for you. I don't know if he has the ceiling of DJ

more necessarily um, but all guy. Yeah, but we saw him here last week, and I get it. It's ironic coming from me. I'm five five or whatever, but he's he's he looked he's need to put some meat on those bones. Really yeah, Calvin Ridley, But I mean it, there's and that's the cool thing about this receiver classes. Maybe maybe two Ridley and more. Maybe Sutton goes late in the first Yeah, Kirk's the second round picking thing. I think. I honestly, I think all three of these guys, Kirk, Washington,

and Sutton or second round picks, with the exception. Maybe somebody falls in love with Sutton's upside because he's six three and drafts him in the first um, but none of them get to fifty. I don't think so that's and that's the thing is, so you got to take that into account. But the top of the top of the board with Ridley and Moore is not super stack. But it goes like ten deep and you ask ten different people who follow the draft, none of them agree.

I'm Michael Gallup is a guy that comes to mind, Anthony Miller, Jamon Moore from Missouri that there's like ten guys that you know, people feel differently about depending on who you ask. So even if these three guys are gone by fifty, there will be a guy there at fifty, There will be a guy there at eighty one. Like, they can definitely add to this position in any of those three rounds. Amber, Do they need a receiver in the first two picks nineteen or fifty? You know what?

I'm yeah? What, Amber? No, I don't. I don't want a receiver definitely not on nineteen Maybe second round, Okay, yeah, we can discuss it depending on who's still available, but as far as nineteen, no way, regardless of whether Dez is on the team or not, I would not go for it. What do you want a gie? In a fantasy world, I would want them to trade up and get a safety. Sound like me, Yeah, yeah, Derwin Jay, But I doubt that's going to have nineteen. They're picking nineteen.

What do you want? Well, everything's pointing towards linebacker right now. Give me. I'm not that. I mean, they did need a linebacker, I wouldn't be upset at it, but I mean, that's the perfect way to put it. I would not be upset about them drafting a linebacker, but I would just be like, yeah, okay, but they need it. It's badly, I know that, and that's that's I wouldn't be mad about it, but I wouldn't be excited either. I Okay, the two studs are going to be off the board.

You're sitting at nineteen. They need a linebacker. You get the choice. Do you take the guy from the powerhouse of all powerhouses that bring out players every year in Alabama or take Boise State, who the Cowboys just seem to love taking players from. And you can there's other differences between those two players as well. Most of the Boys guys that they've spent I mean, when they draft

the Boyse guy. It's worked out. I mean, okay, yeah, Tyrone hasn't worked out contract, but yeah, he the third round pick in twenty twelve and he's still a starter here. So yeah. So I worked out great with Skeandrick was a great pick in the fifth round and looking real good with DeMarcus yep Um. I mean I would rather have Kellen Moore has been really quarterback room. I would rather have Rashaan Evans, but I'm not I'm not gonna Layton vander esh Is. He's fine, He's I'm okay with that.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe in the last maybe eight years, between the guys that they've drafted offensively versus the ones defensively, all the offensive players have made a Pro Bowl in the last time. You're gonna make me, dude, math Like, first, did you say first seven? Yeah? With their first round pick, I think not one defensive player. I think Tyring. Yeah, I forgot the one that they picked the highest round. Yeah. Well, and then Byron Jones, Moclayborne.

I think the there's the discri Yeah, it's five, verse two and well three. Now, yeah, you know you're right that if they've had way more luck with their offense, and that's been I mean, if they can start hitting on these defensive draft picks the way they have on the offensive side, they might really have some. I'm surprised they haven't taken Obama guy, just because the McClay way has been big programs, and there is no bigger program than Alabama. I hate to say it, it just hasn't

worked out that way. Maybe this is the year. Yeah, maybe, yeah, they'll I mean there's three dudes from the same that's and that goes back to my point about Okay, I get it, Jason Garrett and Nick Saban or friends. Tuscaloosa is on the way back from Orlando. I guess I don't even know if the geography makes sense, but there's three dudes from the same school that fit right into that range at nineteen, like right where they're going to

be picking Ridley, Deron Payne and Mashaun Evans. Yeah, I mean, just knock them all out, sin that to go get the head coach to sign off on them. I guess. Okay, let's just say that that's what you hear they drafted pick to pick is in he's from Alabama. Who do you want it to be, and they're all available. Let's say those three guys just Alabama, I said, receiver who you say weighs one hundred pounds one hundred and eighty five. I think I would want Evans, even though I just

said it wouldn't excite me. He represents the biggest need. Yes, prediction, Pain another good movie possible? Hey, And honestly, I think that would be great too, because I mean, David Irving's on a one year deal, Malee Collins is there. But I mean, depending on how you want to use those guys, Pain can play one technique. I also think he'd be a pretty monstrous three technique, so pretty good tight end. Nothing wrong with that. Amber you got a vote, get

your linebacker if needed. It wears ninety four. No, he can't have that here all right now? Why not? How do you say? Yeah, Layton vendor Is he does popular vote. Um, what I've seen as far as linebacker, two of our two cents were him, Oh yeah, but we can. I kind of like to change our mind. Obviously you say change it from I mean that Friday, I'll work on that. I'll get that. I don't wonder if it'll be our

biggest story. But we might do that on Friday. Um, yeah, I don't know who my number one pick will be there. I mean I had pain. I don't know if I need Have you changed who did you pick for the long draft that you guys did the two cents one? Yeah, I did to Ron Payne. I don't know if I'll if I'll change it. I mean, I still like like him. He was one of the guys they visited. I'm gonna ride this Rashaun Evans train until I have a reason to think otherwise. I just like. I mean, the signs

point toward linebacker right now. I mean, that's again a lot of smoke. That's just kind of It's just kind of how I feel right now. I mean, with ten draft picks, I think I think I would I would like to move This would be one year where I would like to move up. I'm not a big fan of it all the time, but I think there's just seems to be big drop offs between thirteen and fourteen and nineteen. I don't know if they're gonna move up at nineteen, but I'll bet you any money that they

don't make ten picks. They just it's not gonna happen. I could see it less than ten. Yeah, like seven will be a twelve. Yeah. I hate to sound like Cowboys brass at the pre draft press conference every year, was like, well, we could do anything, but really the options you could I could see one of three ways. Really no, you kit Yeah, I know they don't tell you anything, and they shouldn't tell anything, but they make it sound like they're saying like something really really meaningful.

In a way, nineteen is kind of no man's land because how many first round picks do you have. Maybe maybe you don't have nineteen, right, so okay, maybe you trade down, or maybe you see a guy you really want you trade up. Or and Jerry spoke to this, if a bunch of quarterbacks get taken and they always get drafted higher than they should, maybe a guy false to you, maybe you get lucky. You know, I think, say, David, I know you've said this a bunch of times. Lamar

Jackson's the key for the Cowboys. Lamar Jackson from Louisville. He's a guy that needs to be in the top eighteen. He is. Well, there's actually I put out a tweet about this the other day. There's a handful of guys that could really be big for the Cowboys, And we talked about in the first segment, we talked about Mike McGlinchey as a pick. What about trade bait and Mike McGlinchey might be the best tackle in the draft. Connor

Williams is probably right there behind him. If if somebody, you know, New England just let their right tackle go to New York for sixty million dollars, if somebody decides they need to get the best tackle in the draft, that could be huge. Mike McGlinchey, Colton Miller, Connor Williams, those are all names I've got my eye on. Um I'm trying to I mean, and then obviously the quarterbacks. But how weird would that be if New England at thirty one jumps to Night there. That's right, That's right,

I was thinking them at thirty. Let's say somebody in that range of the thirties thirty thirty one trades with you to nineteen now, just like they did what twenty thirteen with Travis Frederick, Yeah, nineteen to like thirty thirty one.

Now you're talking about a bunch of different players, different scenarios that don't don't seem such a good idea at nineteen twenty three, which but I'm just saying, if they moved to thirty, we moved just back to thirty thirty one, just something in that range right there, it opens up to camp for everybody even well, and that goes back to you know, the Cowboys. They got hosed in that trade when they jumped back to get Travis Frederick because

they didn't want to make the pick. They just wanted to get out of there, so they took less than it was worth. What would be great is if let's just say, Mike McGlinchey, the best tackle on the board is there for you at nineteen and somebody else is dying for it. You know, let's say New England really wants to get up there and get that guy. Well, you can overcharge them because of what they need. That they need a right tackle and so you're in control

of that. That they want a quarterback, that's or that. Yeah, that's the type of stuff that you're hoping for. Ironic part of that is that is that they didn't they didn't get what they should have in that trade. However, their pick other than maybe Emmett Smith at seventeen overall their pick, and they might have the most value ever of any first round pick. The Cowboys have taken and Travis Frederick at thirty two, and they got killed for that deal because they didn't get what it was worth.

But you can't find, yeah, I mean, you won't really find another pick in the first round that has probably as much value. And that includes you know, Michael Irvin and Zach Martin and Troy Aikman. I mean three all pros. Now, yeah, when I'm all sorrow at thirty one overall, not too shabby, ye, A guy that wasn't really on anybody's radar. No, that's

I mean that was my first draft. But every other draft we've done, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, like we've had we've had like a list in our head, and we weren't surprised that I was not ready for that at all. Yeah, Frederick, I don't think there's any way we start to this draft coverage, h like Christmas time. There's no way that somebody's gonna be picked at nineteen that's gonna be off

the radar. That would yeah, this Dane and Brian. If it happens, I don't want to be around those all right. Next week, who knows where we'll be and who's gonna be on the set, but it'll be fun. So for Rob amber Dave, I'm Nichol. See you next time on the break. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.