Cowboys Break: Why Not Draft A Safety?

episode number seven. Welcome to another edition of The Break, live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, and we appreciate you guys to take us some time to talk to some Cowboys football with us today. Post draft, Cowboys completed the NFL twenty eighteen NFL Draft picked up what's the total number, five, six, seven, eight, nine players? Um?

Nine players they drafted. I should say, we're gonna talk about a few of those guys, talk about some of the moves they did and did not make, and give you guys our opinions on where this team goes from here. How's everybody doing today? Great? Wonderful? Good? All right, so let's jump right in. M As I said, the Cowboys got nine nine draft picks. There were two players that they traded for Um. Let's talk first about just overall.

What were your thoughts coming out of the draft based upon I guess it's hard to do that without talking about whatever your expectations were for them and what they were going to do. Based upon each of your expectations, how did you feel about what they were able to accomplish in the draft. Let's start with you, Nick. I thought they drafted for need. Um. I think that they you know, they'll say all the time that they got best available player, and maybe maybe they did in certain cases.

But I thought they had a need going in and they drafted for need, especially with the first pick. In the second pick, I still think that was a need pick because Connor Williams is going to play guard. So overall, I just thought that that they went in here with some glaring needs. They didn't address all of them. There's one still sitting out there, and I think it to that they'll get to it, and they will get to it. But I thought overall they had some needs that they

didn't address a free agency and they drafted that way. Amber. What were your thoughts? I like it. I liked the overall everything that they did. I was surprised though, to see how many wide receivers they got. I really didn't believe wide receiver was that big of a need, you know, so, I mean it is, but as of right now, if you're wanting to get right wide receiver, I would have

expected someone way higher than the guys that got. And I guess that falls down to what Nick was saying, kind of getting best player available, and that's kind of what they said to along the draft when it goes to those rounds, you just go for the best one available. I didn't say that, I said that they got. I think they got best available need, yeah, which is very well, very way to put yeah. Yeah, and then they have plenty of needs. I mean, I mean it's pretty broad.

So I just it still surprised me, and it surprised me not to see the whole safety situation. I mean, you get, you got very close to Derwin James and nothing happened there. But it just shows that they really weren't interested in someone like him, and in fact, they just believe linebacker was a bigger need. That is. Yeah. I think that last thing you said is right. And I've said this a million times in the last couple of weeks. Like the biggest secret in the NFL is

that they all draft for need. That's my opinion. I mean, you do the homework and you lay it all out the best that you can, but at the end of the day, you're going to opt for the guy that addresses the needs on your team. I think there's maybe five teams in the league that don't operate that way, and their teams like New England, who have had enough success that they're not worried about their jobs. So I

don't think it's a coincidence. You go down the line of their picks, with the exception of ignoring safety, almost all their picks addressed a need. I mean, what are the odds that that would continually happen down the course of seven rounds in the draft? You know, But I think they got good value. I said this in our draft coverage over the weekend. I think even if you think that Layton Van was a bit of a reach, I think if you factor that in with I think

they got amazing value in Connor Williams. I think, you know, they looked at Justin Reid in the second round. I think they decided Connor Williams was a better pick. I agree with that they got great value with Michael Gallup, a guy that they said they thought about drafting at fifty, and then all down the line. I thought they got really good value with their picks, and most of them addressed the need. It's interesting that they ignored safety, but

I understand that that's the way the draft breaks. I think when you factor it all into one big picture, what they did makes a lot of sense. We'll see

if the players are any good. We will talk about the safety position because I think there's a lot to dive into there Before we do that, though, I do want to talk about the first round pick Vander I'm sorry, um Um Layton Vanderesh at the time when he when the Cowboys were on the on the clock, you had Rashaun Evans, who was a linebacker who was still available. You had Dj Moore and Calvin Ridley, both of the two highest rated wide receivers that you guys on the

draft show. It talked quite a bit about heading into to the draft, as Amber said, a couple picks before Derwin James was there, which nobody expected him to get to that range. And I think we talked about even last week that if he got to thirteen fourteen, we would you know, be okay with the idea if the Cowboys are willing to jump up to try to make

a play for him. All that being said, do you think the Cowboys or would you have preferred the Cowboys go a different direction than vander Esh in the first round With all of those other options sitting there on the board, you got to go off of what they wanted, and they they evaluated vander Esh higher than all of those players. Every one of them was higher, So there's no reason to trade up in their mind and get a player that's rated lower than vander Esh. And I

think Derwin James was right there. If someone takes Vanderesh, then you know they'll probably they'd probably take the safety. But you know, I still think it's not all complete because they haven't addressed safety, and they will. They have to. There's no way they're not going to get a safety.

So let's see what happened here, and then I think when you you know, lay it all out there, you're gonna be like, well, probably worked out better to go this route than this route, because who's going to be the be the linebacker? If you would have taken trade it up and taken Derwin James. You probably don't have Gallop right right, do either? You guys wish that they

would have done something different in the first round. I've I've said it from the very beginning, like I am not in love with Layton vander Esh as a player right now, but I have zero qualms with what they did. I you know, I loved Derwin James all through the draft process. I love DJ Moore too, But again, you look I look at it as a puzzle, like you

have to look at it all within context. If you and if you don't take a linebacker there, I feel terrible about what you're gonna find later in the draft. I feel especially terrible about what's going to happen if you trade up for Derwin James. Now you're probably not picking Michael Gallup. Maybe you can't address tight end the way you want to. And I hear people at home you don't pick for need, don't pick for need, but you can well not only that, but like you can

do both. I legitimate I agree if Derwin James had been there, I still think they would have picked Laton vander Esh. And you can draft a linebacker who is capable of starting at nineteen while still holding onto picks that help you address other things, and so um, you know, I I had other guys that I liked more than him, But I think that I think the pick makes perfect sense and I don't have a single problem with that.

All right, let's talk about the free safety position. Obviously, the big name that everybody was talking about was the possibility that the Cowboys would trade for Earl Thomas. So I'm gonna ask you guys straight up, if there were a scenario in the draft where the Cowboys could have given up their second round pick for Earl Thomas, would you have been willing to do that or would it had to have been a third or lower pick for

you to go for Earl Thomas? If you had if there was a scenario where where fifty would would be what had to be given up, would you have been willing to give that up? And again, you got to do it in the context of you're giving it up as opposed to taking Connor Williams. Can we just say that the right? Can we just say that because I know that I'm pretty sure that there was Okay, Seattle was ready to do it. I think the Cowboys looked at it and said, Connor Williams, is it fits our

need right now? And if we don't take him, then we're not addressing this need. And yes, we could. We address the safety position for one year at least um and and then by not doing it, you draft the guard or you draft Connor Williams, and it's still open to maybe get a veteran safety. If it's Earl Thomas or somebody else, you can still do it. So you don't close the door there. So I understand what they what they did there. Yeah, I wanted to. I still want that thing to happen, and I think it can

and I still think it will. But I understand what they did there. It Okay, tell me who the veteran is, because it's Exaca Woods is not that your safety started, So it's gonna be somebody. He's gonna be. Just you're closing the door on that, yep. Okay, because he's because he's short, and he's fifth round and he's he's sixth round. They had a third round grade on him though, sorry,

sixth round, sixth round pick. And I just don't think he's I mean, you don't think that this front office has shown a willingness to bank on their hopes for a player rather than the reality of the situation. They do it all the time. They do it all the time. I'm just saying they will back it up with somebody else. It'll be one of those three veterans or Earl Thomas. They'll be one of the three free agents out there. Oh. I agree, they're going to add a safety this summer.

I would bet money on that they will add a safety, like an accomplished safety. And they'll tell us they like Xavier and he can compete in Caven. Oh yeah, cave On too and all that. I really, I mean, I don't know that it'll be anything worth getting excited about it. I mean, and I don't know anything. I don't I don't know that I think this is likely. I don't think they'll do anything to this position until the summer. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's JJ Wilcox. Just

he just got cut yesterday. I'm that serious. You can be as upset about it, but honestly, I'd already have that guy, right. They have like four of those guys. I don't think. I don't think he gives you anything and that's probably I don't think JJ really gives you anything based upon the other guys that are out there. At least maybe there's an upside within that you haven't seen.

He gives you a veteran who knows how to run the scheme and has shown that he can do it all right, as long as you limit his snap count, right, which, but again, we've seen this team do stuff like that before where they're just like, well, Heath can do it, yeah, like they do. I mean, this team has a lot of faith in their coaching and their scheme. And I'm not saying I agree with it, but I mean, this isn't a team that has done a ton of like bold swing for the fences type stuff over the last

four years. And that's not to say that that's always been wrong, but they just they have a lot of confidence that their way can work. So I don't feel super confident that they're going to do something drastic. I do think they'll add to the position, but I don't know to answer. If you'd told me Friday morning that pick fifty would get me Earl Thomas, I would have been so all in, But knowing now that it was that it got you, Connor Williams. I'm a little more

reluctant because I mean that that was a guy. He probably would have been a top fifteen pick if he'd come out after his junior year. And even still, I mean Brian had him rated higher than Layton vander Esh. I mean, this was a guy we talked when we went down to Austin for that pro day tour. We talked about him maybe being the first or second tackle off the board and maybe you draft him at nineteen. So again, you got insane value on that. So I'm

reluctant to give that up for a thirty year old safety. Yeah. You know, I don't know how real or true this is, but sometimes I get to thinking and feeling that they might be focusing too much on their strength. You know, let's reinforce the old line, let's take care of the offense. You know, wide receiver lists, build this great offense. And I get it, that is your strong point and you

should do that. But at the end of the day, they I feel like they remember seeing what they can do with Zeek and a great old line right now they're wanting to get that back. And it's like, once you get to a point in the season playoffs, we've seen that if you don't have a good defense that can go out there and stop the offense, you don't necessarily win games, right, So I just get afraid of them focusing too much on that aspect and kind of

forgetting those little areas. As far as safety, when you talk about safety, they they've shown that it's not I mean, according to them, they're like, Okay, well, we're fine with what we got right now, Savior Woods. If we need to move back some guys back from a corner that they can play safety, you can do that. That's not what I'm wanting to hear. You know, that's a big need and it's disappointing to see that it was an address.

And as far as linebacker, that came down to an obvious thing that they all know, shan Lee and we saw what happened last year. You got Tyren Smith, al shan Leel. You know what that causes. But at the same time, you can't forget about those other areas. But I think I think that's the key if you look at last season, and you guys may disagree, but I feel like last season when things went wrong, it was when Sean Lee was out of the lineup. It was

when Tyren Smith was out of the lineup. And I think, obviously you can talk about Zeke as well, but I think those two players. I think we figured out very quickly that without those two players, they had bigger ramifications on a lot of other positions. And that's why I look at this draft and say, when you talk about them drafting for Need, I think was absolutely about Need.

I think they looked at that too and said, even when you go back to free agency, the fact that they went and picked up Fleming, I think what they said with Fleming and what they said with Connor Williams is we are not going to be in a situation this year where if our left tackle goes down, we're screwed. We're going to give ourselves a chance to still be able to play. Because what we saw in that Atlanta game specifically, was after that Atlanta game, I don't think

Dak was the same beyond that. And I think what they don't want to see as a young quarterback that gets ruined because an offensive line camp protect him, and that's what happened in Atlanta. So I think when you look at vander Esh and you look at Connor Williams. Those two picks were all about the fact that last season those two positions held your hostage and they don't

want that to happen again. Now you have to make sure that you're not holding Dak's hand this whole season, and by that, I mean overprotecting him and the whole saying of making this offense Dak friendly. You're at the point that you can't do that. We need to find out who Dak really is and what he can really do. So there's some and it's great obviously we know we've seen the success they can have. But at the same time, it's you gotta be careful how much help you give

that guy. I don't know. I mean, you can't over protect your quarterback on my opinion. That's I mean, I get it, but I guess where I'm trying to get at. It's like, I don't want them to just fully rely on the running game. I need to see Dak throwing those passes. I need to see him connecting with his receivers. You know, That's my point. It's like, Okay, let's not protecting that much, like and the fact like let's give him those easy throws again, or let's go back to

what he did in twenty and sixteen. No, now we need to see some improvement there. Now we need to see that they can throw the ball down the field. Teams with NFL MVPs on their roster make picks to help and protect their quarterbacks. I mean, I yeah, I don't think you can do enough for that. And I get your point. You want to see some growth, You want to know that he can do stuff beyond just make the easy read. But I can't. I can't complain about making that running game as good as possible because

I mean the running game fueled their run deep. You know, when they had a shot with Tony Romo, it was the run game. I mean, DeMarco ran for more yards than Zeke did, So that's I mean, that's something every quarterback should want. So I don't have a problem with that. And again, I see your point that you want to see Dak developed, But I think all of these picks

will help in his development. So don't you just never know what can happen, And of course you want to be sure that your guy is able to do other things. Then hand off the ball and you have a great running game. You want to make sure you have other weapons and that you're able to succeed in that way because you never know what can happen. Well, that's a good point, and we're going to hold that right there.

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Welcome back. We're in the second segment of the Break live from the s WBC Mortgage studio that the Star were talking draft and we're talking a little bit of a little bit of trade action. Cowboys traded for a couple players this last week, busy weekend, and one of those players who I thought was a very interesting trade was Tavon Austin. This is a guy that when he was drafted, was drafted I think number eight overall, is that correct? It was first round, was high. It was

definitely a top ten pick. It feels like he's been in the league a lot longer than I mean, he was in six years of twenty thirteen, so he was Travis's year. It seems like he's been in the league since like two thousand and seven. But it doesn't seem like and you guys can can have different opinion on this, but it doesn't seem like he's had the kind of impact that that you would probably expect from an eight

overall pick. But that being said, um, I do think that players sometimes go to other places and they're used in different ways, and you can utilize them and realize benefits of them in different ways. So talk to me about what he does. What does he bring to the table that the Cowboys didn't currently have when they decided to trade for him. He's experienced, the dynamic type player that can probably use the sideline to sideline better than

they've had in the past. I think he's he's like what they wanted to get out of Lucky Whitehead, but a little bit more vertical and down the field. UM. I see this very similar to NBA players that are drafted ninth tenth overall and they don't work out there because of the contract you're paying them in the expectations, but they go somewhere else and they're pretty good in that role, like a JJ Reddick type of player, where

it's like, oh my god, what a bad pick. You know, he's not that good, but then he goes to another place and makes more sense. I think this will make more sense, not asking him to save the world, just just make some plays and helping them in the punt return. He mean, it's an upgrade from Ryan Switzer. So I think I think it's a great pick for the sixth round when you you're just throwing picks. He gave up a sixth round pick. Yeah, I mean two years ago

they took a good rebounder. So in the sixth round. Yeah, I mean, you know, you're just you get you get a first round talent and Tavon Austin with a different with a fresh start. Yeah that's still young, by the way. Yeah, I uh oh no, I love this move. I hesitate to compare him to a Hall of Famer, but he reminds me of Devin hester By, like I mean, it's I mean, he's to be nice. Well, and I'm not saying he's gonna return twenty five kicks for touchdowns, but

he's got or whatever that number was. But he's got dynamic ability in the return game. He's better than the guys they've had here in recent years. And he is not a He is not a dynamic receiver in the sense that like his route tree or his ability down the field is gonna wow you. I don't even you know, I don't even think of him as Nick's like speed guy. I don't think you're going to be throwing this guy a lot of nine routes, like let Deonte Thompson or

somebody do that. But he can, you know, bubble screens, jet sweeps, anything near the line of scrimmage. I just looked it up. I mean, he's never had more than forty or fifty receptions in a season, never more than four or five hundred yards, but he did when he was healthy for the Rams, was getting you know, forty to fifty carries a year and averaging four or five six seven eight yards per carry. I mean, we talked about it on Twitter the other day, like it was

so hilarious how the lucky jet sweep. Everybody knew it was coming and it still worked for ten to fifteen yards every time he did it. So I think you got a guy who can do all of that stuff, but hopefully better. Right, That's exactly right. And I think one thing I want to clear up, and I want

your opinions on this. We heard a term web back being used quite a bit as kind of the role that they see him playing, and I think it seems to me, at least that a lot of fans on Twitter have taken that to mean that he is going to be their running back, their third running back, or third down running back. Although I think he's going to play some of those roles. I want to be clear, it sounds like he's actually coming in here to be

a wide receiver. He'll be working out with the wide receivers, but he will be kind of that hybrid player that will sometimes line up in the backfield, sometimes line up wide. We'll do a little bit of everything, although he'll probably be working with the wide receiver group. Is that how you guys? When they drafted Switzer, they said that Switzer is going to do some things that Lance Dunbar was doing for them, So they've always kind of had this

role of a running back. I mean, remember Lance caught up more passes I think than he had carry So it'll be that type of role there. I think for him, you're not gonna see him run the ball in third and one or two, and like you know, unless it's maybe a jet SUITEP or something like that. I just think what it does is it just brings the game

more you know, horizontal. I guess if you will just just kind of use all all fifty three yards of the field and just kind of spread things out more so, and that might be what you see if if you've got a different tight end here, which I'm sure is on your list, it is on my list. And actually before we get to that tight end position, I did want to talk about some of the other wide receivers at the Cowboys picked up. They made two draft picks

of wide receivers, Michael Gallop and Cedric Cedric Wilson. I'm sorry, talk to me about what their skills are, like, what kind of receivers did the Cowboys pick up and what can they deliver to this wide receiver group that they maybe didn't have before or is it just more of the same I think, I mean, you heard us talk about in the draft coverage. I mean, Gallop is like a third round version of DJ Moore. I think you're getting the same type of player. This isn't your health,

this isn't your big body Dez guy. He's a he's an accomplished route runner for what he is. Not to say he doesn't need to work on it, but he's got a good route tree, he's tough, he's physical, it's hard to bring down. And then Wilson. Wilson was at the Senior Bowl. I know, like he can move inside and outside again like these you know, it's not that classic receiver type or it's either like a big bodied

guy or a burner. They're just well rounded, you know, average looking wide receivers, which I think that's you know, Stephen Jones keeps talking about it. They're not They're at peace with the fact that they don't have a number one. They're just trying to throw as many solid, well rounded receivers at it as possible. And I think it's gonna be really fun because I think there's probably only two on this receiver corps that have guaranteed jobs by the

end of training camp. So have fun figuring out who's gonna make the team, even with Switzer being gone. Now you think going two of them are guaranteed a spot at this point and go down the line. I mean, Alan Hearns is here. They gave him too much money for him not to be and he has a skill set that not a lot of these other guys have.

And then Gallup is here because they just spent a top one hundred pick on him, But who else, I mean, Terrence, you might feel pretty confident Terrence is gonna be I mean, it would surprise me, but that's not I mean, a four million dollar cap hit is not so crazy that if he just gets badly outperformed in training AMP that

they wouldn't do it. But you'd have to be something drastic, to be honest with you, probably for him and Cole would probably have to be something pretty drastic for them not to be honest, I would expect them to make the team. But I mean, I can't sit here and say that they have like this crazy job security, not with all these other guys that are going to be

fighting for roster spots. So with I think that they're not going to get cut, but I could see a trade scenario, especially with maybe not with Terrence as much, but with definitely with Cole. I mean, if you wanted to go that route. But I still think they're going to try to make that work with Beasley, and you know, that's a guy that works well with Dak, and you know Dak is that's that's a throw that he can make I mean, I'm not trying to be funny here,

but that is that is one that he's good. But I agree with you when you go back to what she said earlier, and I've said this as well, I think on the last show is that you know the time is now for him. I mean he Dak needs to really take his game to another level. Um, this whole Dak friendly stuff. I mean, these are guys that can get open, catch the ball and make place for him and he needs that, but he needs to to

kind of elevate their game as well. So I think this is a big time for him, especially if you don't have the tight end that you're that you've had the first two years. So let's talk about that. Jason Witten. Last what was that Thursday, Friday, Friday, we hear word that there is at least some contemplation, some serious contemplation on Jason's part that he will hang them up and instead opt for a position in the Monday night football

booth calling those games. There was also a report that came out I think Saturday, that another network may have stepped in and created an offer for him as well. So now he's at a point where he's trying to make a decision on whether he continues to play or whether he opts to step away from football and h and just focus on broadcasting. That being said, Um, do you think that? Um? What do you think of what

the Cowboys have left at tight end? Let's assume now that what they have you remove Jason Witten from it. Do the Cowboys have enough of the position to be able to enter the season and feel good about what they want to do with the tight ends they have? You want to take that or Man, Yeah, that that's

the biggest curveball you've ever thrown. Um, how's that? That was a good curve And it was like I started hearing down because that's Jason Witten, and you're just like, Okay, we don't know what But the point is we don't and I'm I don't feel like we're putting words in his mouth on what he's gonna do. I don't. I don't know that he knows right now what he's gonna do. So now you, unless you have some insight, feel free

to jump on in and get it. Did I did minutes ago, and then eight minutes ago it changed, and then four minutes ago it changed, and now it's back to what it was. It's up in the air, right, this is a This guy is a damn football player. That's what he is and that's what he's always will be. And I Garret, hey, hey, hey, I don't have any information. You don't have anything answer that part about them. I don't. I mean, I'm not sitting here trying to tell you that, like, oh,

they're fine, Everything's gonna be okay. Like this, the tight end position certainly looks like a trouble spot if Jason Witten's not on the team. But I'm just I don't. I'm not losing a ton of sleepover It's fine. I mean, it's it's funny one of those things where like all through the spring it was like Witten's holding this team hostage. He's not what he used to be. He's terrible, Like he's holding this offense back. And then he's like I

might retire, and everyone's like worse good. I think you know there will be a drop off from a locker room standpoint as well as an on field standpoint, obviously, I mean obviously, but just you look at the talent. I think Jeff Swain and Blake jar how many times over the weekend, did Stephen and Jerry Jones say Blake Jarwin by name, like this dude must be freaking Travis Kelsey, like they look Going back to my point, this team is not afraid to have faith in guys that they developed.

I mean, you talk about the safety spot, how but they're just like, now, this guy we signed undrafted last year is pretty great. We're good. And then they get Dalton Schultz in the fourth round. The other thing that I'm interested in is if Jason Witten's not here to play ninety seven percent of the snaps, maybe that frees you up to play different looking football. Maybe you see more ten personnel no you know, four receivers, no tight ends, or maybe you see more you know, even more eleven

than you're used to with one tight end. I don't know. I'll be interested to see because I would imagine if the drop office as severe as people want to make it out to be, then I would adapt my personnel to make up for the fact that I don't have

a great tight end. Yeah. Last year, I think eleven personnel was probably the most was the predominant yeah thing that they did, and particularly when they were in two minute they would typically have Witten on the field with three wide receivers, and I always thought when they drafted Ryan Switzer, my thought was, if you could have that ten personnel, where's Switzer and it's easily in the two slots, it gives you some really great opportunities to do some

cool stuff. I'm I'm fascinated by the thought of this team playing ten personnel. I think that is suited to Dak. I think it's suited to Zeke. Give Dak more options to throw, put smaller defensive personnel on the field, so Zeke has a matchup advantage you've got. I mean, if Connor Williams is joining this line, then your line should be even more capable of handling it without a tight end. And then again smaller personnel, so you clear Dack up to maybe run if he wants to. I just I

love the thought of them doing more of that. I think the most important part thing you said right there was that it forces that linebacker off the field. With Witton on the field, you could put a linebacker round. You cannot do that and run a two hundred and thirty pound running back right at your face. Right, let's go,

and if you want to spread them out. That's a great way to spread them out and force them to still be able to respect and make a decision between whether they're going to respect all those wide receivers or respect the fact you still got a beast in the backfield. I think that's your best way to do it, as opposed to eleven personnel with Enfield. I would be a big fan of that, but they don't ask for my opinions, not yet. Amber, did you have an opinion on that?

I mean, I'm just shocked. I think it took everyone by surprise, the whole Witten retirement thing, very much so. So I don't know. I'm gonna be happy with whatever decision he makes. Honestly, I thought his time was coming up. I am expected to be this year, but we all knew that his time was coming up. He's starting to slow down. He's still an amazing player, better than most out there, even with him slowing down. So it's gonna be a big drop off. And I'm curious to see

what's up with Rico Gathers. I don't I still don't know the story behind him. Yeah, get in line, Nick. During the draft, there were some I guess the better tight ends in the draft, which I don't know how great you put him on the scale, but there were some better tight end options in the first and second round.

Do you think the Cowboys missed an opportunity to not either draft one of those guys or even in the second round trade up if they needed to in order to secure the services of one of those top two tight ends. I think that, you know, I don't think they were interested in taking Goddard at fifth. I mean, so that was another and if Philadelphia really needed the

guy that, you know, that's good for them. Um, you know, they didn't have the Eagles as an organization, did not have a great Friday Night and trying to trump the Cowboys, and so if that was their attempt, and I don't think it really mattered. Now if they thought it matched up, I thought they needed it, they lost it to backup tight end. So but based off of what we saw there, I mean, I don't think that. I mean, they obviously were making an attempt, and they they tried to jump

Dallas because they thought Dallas needed a tight end. I think it was both. I think they needed a tight end and they knew Dallas has ever traded up for a player that it needs, right, I'm just I just saying, but they obviously thought that Dallas needed them, and if that would have been to be honest with you, if that would have been Oakland sitting in that spot and they knew Oakland needed a tight end, they would have

jumped Oakland to get that tight end. I don't think teams are trying to make any statements as much as they are trying to get the players that are best for their teams. Only got a few picks, not trying to make a statement, but the narrative was pretty evident. Bratt and and and I mean the Cowboys did homework on tight ends on Friday, they called around, they talked. But I don't think the Cowboys would have drafted Dallas s Gooddard had he been there. And that's the important point.

I think a lot of people missed that that it was pretty clear and some of the things that we've heard, I know we've heard it that that that wasn't even a part of the conversation. There were other players that were being considered, and really Connor Williams was their target. Phillies move makes like I don't think they did it to rub Buddy's face in it, right, But they were like, well this is a team that of course, yeah, of course that was I'm talking about the moves. The biggest

fail of all time. I mean, seriously, you bring you bring a puberty kicker to the stage who didn't win a ring. That was Did you see Tyrone Crawford's tweet where he just kind of ended it with some basing your voice and he was like a kicker said that. No. I mean I've watched enough wrestling in my day that the guy walks out there with the belt like that's it. So walk out with the trophy and then just make

the pick. That's all you have to do. In the last three hundred and sixty five days, what has happened. You won a championship, which is great, good job for them, but that's all you have to say. You come up with something better than that, and let's bring David Akers. They should have been sent Dawkins would have been from that would have been a better guy and as many rings as you. Yeah, but still I still probably a

better guy. I get it. But in my I think Dawkins is technically part of their organization right now, Like I think he I think so, yeah, but don't. Well, so we sent I would have sen up there. He works for What's what I'm saying, But I'm no. My point I think he does, does he not? Haven't seen him in a while. My point is that I think I haven't seen him either. Andre's still here. I don't know about Miles. Uh. I think Dawkins technically got a ring, is what I'm trying to say. With Philly. He works

because he works for them. Last year, Yes, I got you. I think a while to get It's fine, It's fine. I would Yeah, they could have done a way better job. We could have too. All right, let's take our final break. We're gonna come back. I do want to talk a little bit about jah Jihad Ward, another player the Cowboys picked up on Saturday. We'll talk about that when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the staff, we're talking draft Cowboys, make nine picks, trade for two guys, come away with a lot of players, and we're actually going to see some of those players here coming up. The rookies will be here next weekend for the Rookie Mini Camp and then I think it's the week after that or maybe two weeks after that, the Cowboys Cowboys will start their official on the field activities and we'll be bringing you all the coverage from those then heading

up to training camp in July. All right, So let's let's talk about one of those other players that the Cowboys traded for this last weekend to hod Ward, who was a defensive tackle they traded with Oakland. That was the trade where they sent off Ryan Switzer and picked up jehad Ward. Talk to me about jehad Ward and what kind of player he is he where he possibly fits, Well, he's um probably a three technique that can play him

one and get up the field. Then they started liking him at the Senior Bowl when they covered when they coached there a couple of years ago, and he just I don't think he was a good scheme fit for what Oakland was trying to do, especially now with with

with the new staff that they have in there. So it's just just an opportunity the Pits, I mean, Oakland needed a guy, you know, and obviously Bess Switzer and wanted to get him, and you know, they're just kind of looking at the roster, like, well, who would you part ways with? Yeah, well, you know, we could use this, so I think it just kind of works and let's see. Yeah, it's disappointing that we never really got to look at

what Switzer could bring to the offense. But it's the it's a perfect trade, like both teams got something they needed. Both teams had to part ways with something to do it. I just found out with in the last two weeks. It's famously you know, the Cowboys wanted Donelle Pumphrey and the Eagles took him one or two picks before Besacci is the reason Switzer was here. Bosacci was like, all right, Pumphrey's gone, this is the guy we need to get,

and so they did it. And so it makes perfect sense that as soon as as soon as they added Tavon Austin, well, Psacci probably told Grudener Reggie mackenzie like, get on the phone, let's get this guy. And Keith O'Quinn is one of the reasons that Tavon Austin is here. You know, he sat down right next to Jerry when they were thinking about it and said, you know, does this guy make us better? And he was just like, are you gidding me, like one hundred percent better tomorrow

he makes us better. And literally he you know when he said tomorrow he was. I mean, we saw the video we put out there. I mean, he shows up yesterday already here, you're ready to go. And I think it's just one of those cases where a fresh start's really gonna help him. But that's where it starts with punt return a little bit of the offense. I think if Switzer really would have been a able to contribute, I think we would have seen maybe more than than

than four catches. I mean, I know he didn't get a great opportunity, but I think he you know, if he had a whole lot there to give, I think we would have seen a little bit more there. Maybe, And I'm easily he's right in his way. Maybe there's just no I'm not when you got Witten on the team, I think I'm not trying to say the dude. Maybe I'm not trying to say he's welker, but I think Beasley and Witten both being there probably hindered his opportunities.

But again, I mean, if he goes on to have a Hall of Fame career, no offense to Ryan I you know, I wouldn't bank on that, So I think you guys, but I think you could go on to be a productive receiver. Absolutely. I think I think it was about opportunities for him lat year. He didn't get a lot of them. Yeah, he really didn't. But again then especially post if you had Tavon Austin, you didn't. Again we talk about safety. They didn't draft a d tackle either, so they got one that they had a

good grade on two years ago. He's still early on in his career. It addresses a need. It's basically like drafting a guy. I think you guys need to be cautious about saying that the offense can look so much better and different with out Witton because you kind of know what he is there linebacker on the field, because Witten does give you versatility to run the football and catch the ball. Now, he doesn't spread you out as much, but I mean, you don't know exactly what they're doing

when he's out there. And I think that's what's made him so great is that they can play big boy football with him out there. They can also spread it out a little bit too, so the next tight end that they get, I mean it's true he did have some complete package to him. Yeah, I think I think, and I think that's great. I think that's a great way to look at it. But I do the one thing I will say is I think there are ways

to be able to do that. I think we've seen them at times take an additional offensive lineman and put them on the field. I think there's ways that you can do that. But I also think that on the flip side of that, what he what you forced them to do, As I was saying earlier, you forced them to change their personnel. If you've got ten personnel on the field verses eleven personnel, you forced them to add

an additional secondary guy. And now they're too If you let's assume for a second you've got you could put Herns in the slot. Hearns plays a slot. Let's assume that you got Herns in the slot, and let's assume you've got on the other side, you got Cold in the slot. Now you're forcing that other team to have two good enough slot corners. Now you're four deep on their corners. You're forcing both of those to be good

enough to be able to cover in man. And I think that's where you can create some real mismatches for yourself that maybe you can't create, because a linebacker can cover Jason Witten and man coverage at this point in a lot of instances, I don't agree with that. You don't know, I do not think a linebacker can just shut him down. And that's not what I said, That's not what I said. What I said I said, in a lot of instances, a linebacker can. There are a

lot of very, very athletic linebackers in today's NFL. I think that there are a lot of those linebackers that can cover Jason Witten man to man. Well, I mean my point is is stop making the Pro Bowl and then we'll see if he's really wind it down. He's not the same as he was, but he's still making the Pro Bowl. He's still doing his thing. Get all that. I'm not saying he's not. I'm not saying he's not. I'm not saying but they'll just look at the production too.

I mean, it wasn't like it wasn't like there were a whole bunch of opportunities last year that that they had to get the ball to Jason. And you know what I'm saying, It just it's not showing up in the in the game. So so something he's changed something. Example year, something happen. Maybe it's that guy or that's throwing it. Okay, and that's fine. But I'm just saying, whatever's happening, it's not working. So you have to start throwing different things at it if you're going to get

it to work. Right, I'm sorry that they dedicated a whole wall to people that make the Pro Bowl. I just don't know if it's not working if you're still making the public alternate, yes, but how many six tight ends better than him last year. I'm just saying he's still he's still producing. He's still producing. It's hard to say that it's not working when he's still producing it.

I don't think that's his decision. I think he's pondering what he wants to do because I don't think he wants to get in a situation where he is a liability. And I don't think he was last year. I don't know if he was. I know, I'm not saying liability. I'm just saying I still think he can play at

a pretty high level. My thing is I think that there is some diversity that they can get in this offense that right now, Let's be honest, the problem is right now when Jason's on the team, Jason ain't coming on to understand that. But I think there's some diversity that can happen if you could have both Jason and be able to go to ten personnel. I think you're probably that doesn't happen right now. Jason's not coming off

the field. You know, I agree with what you just said, but also I want to see that to believe it before I get all excited about it. This coaching staff is stubborn. I don't I gotta see it. I mean, maybe they just do the same stuff with different players. I don't know which. Another thing I was gonna say now that I'm trying to sunshine pump, I mean, well, what can a fourth round pick possibly be expected to

contribute to a team in his rookie year. I'm being sarcastic because Dak was a fourth round pick, but uh, you know, this time of year, I love to do like informal poll anytime might see somebody from football ops, I'm just like, who's your favorite pick? And I just,

you know, just out of curiosity. A lot of people people talking about Dalton Schultz as that guy, I mean, coming from Stanford, he knows how to do exactly the type of stuff they want to tight end when it was a third round pick, like, it's not unheard of to get a good tight end. And if you listen to some of the things that people that were around when Jason got here say, like Jason didn't come in

the door being as well rounded as he became. It was a lot of hard work and really Parcels, like I remember Parcels talking about how important it was to beat a well rounded tight end, not just to be a pass catcher or not just the blocking guy, but if you're gonna be great, if you're gonna be among the great tight ends, to be well rounded. And so if they can do the same thing with Schultz, maybe he has enough of that to to kind of develop him into Witten light right, the secrets in the dirt,

that's what Whitten says. Let's get some questions. We've kind of we hit on the same they're drawing plays. Yeah, okay, we talked about safety, and there seems to be a lot of confusion or questions in regards to why do the Cowboys knee a safety. So I would like to for you guys to please expand on this or explain why are the Cowboys not okay with just Jeff Heath Caven Frasier. The Cowboys are okay with that. We don't think they should be okay with okay. Yeah, technically they

are okay. Yeah, you've got bodies there, they can do the job. Why do we see that as a need because they're moving Byron Jones, which a lot of you know, if we're talking about fan questions, fans hate that guy more than he deserves. They're moving him to corner. They literally don't have I mean, Xavier Woods has four starts to his name, none of which came at free safety.

Cavan Frasier has never started a game, and you have Jeff Heath, who I think is a solid player and I don't mind him starting, but you need somebody to partner him with. I mean, so it's basically a projection that Xavier Woods, who they felt great about. I'm not trying to say he can't handle it, but they're bail like right now, they're saying, we hope he's up to it. I mean, that's what their super positions can wreck your game, like wreck a game if they if they are playing poorly.

I mean, to me, it's left tackle and safety because if you're safety is not where he needs to be. I mean, it's all I mean, you're you're the last guy out through a cornerback in their two corner. You can but if I mean, if you have a great free safety, you can also kind of clean cornerbacks have some bad games that ended up wrecking a game, I get it, but I guarantee you that that a lot of it was probably bad scheme too, like give him some help if he's that bad, or get him off

the field. But safety, he needs to kind of be the quarterback of you know, of the defense. And I think that they just need to get better there. I mean they Byron Jones was getting benched last year halfway through the year for for Cavan Frasier in a game that they don't really love. For Cavan either and Xavier Woods. We'll see he makes plays, but I mean, I think they want to see more of it. But you have a chance to get a guy that you know, a veteran out there that they can play, I think you

gotta go for it. And I think they will. I want to take exception to something he said earlier about I don't I don't know that I agree that the Cowboys are okay with their safety position, all right, let me let me alter it. Then, based on everything they've done so far, I have no choice but to conclude that, well, I have not done anything. But I think that part of that is you can't address I don't think you can address everything in one draft, not as many holes

and needs as they had. I don't think you can. And so no safeties on the free agent market right right, But but I think there are well, but I think that maybe those guys don't fit in their opinion. But however, all I'm saying, all I'm saying is that I don't know that it's necessarily that they don't see. I think they see that that's something they got to address. And you guys already said it. You think that by by this summer they're gonna put something, bring somebody else in.

So if that's the case, you know that they feel like they need to address it. I just don't think it fell to them in the way that these other positions did well. And I'm not killing them for not drafting and safety alreadies. I mean, you know, I think Connor Williams is a better pick than Justin Reid. I think Layton vander esh is a better pick for what they need than Derwin James. I don't know if he's as good as a player, but it so it's not

that I get that. And then once you get past the third or fourth round, you're not talking about safeties who fit what they want anyway, You're just I mean, you're talking about what you already have, you know what I mean. And so that doesn't bother me. What will bother me? Now that they drafted Connor Williams. I feel confident that Lyle Collins isn't going to move now. I'm bothered by the thought of moving Cheeto Woodsier to safety or making Byron Jones flop back again after he already

flopped once, which I think they will have to. They are that little faith in Xavier Woods. They said that. I first of all, Xavier Woods isn't going to get a chance to showcase anything in the next month or two anyway at OTA's I mean, that's not football, So I don't know. So, I mean, I hate that thought. I And that's they said on Saturday. They can address it from within the team because they've got some guys

with flex. I hate that I thought Cheeto looked great in the month that he was playing corner last year. Don't mess with a good thing at an important position. You might have some really good corners here for the future. That's Jordan, Like, I really like what I'm seeing so far, and and it frustrates me because I mean, for the millionth time I've heard that Kenny, Vacaro and Trade they're

not scheme fits whatever. They're experienced pro safeties who have started games, and they probably wouldn't be expensive to bring in, So what's the harm. But let me ask you this, if you're gonna if you're gonna go there like we do know, I mean last year with specifically with Vaccaro, he wasn't playing very much in in New Orleans like they had basically, Yeah, but I'm saying though they were

already not very happy with his play. So my point is, for whatever it was, they didn't feel like he was living up to They also talking about the fact he said, is that why you laughing? No, I'm just talking about the fact that I guarantee they would have liked him to be the guy at safety and when Stefan Diggs was making a play, well, I mean maybe it's hard. Not it's harsh because Martin, they drafted Marcus Williams in

the top fifty. He had a damn good year. I mean they did, they had options if we had it so good, that's the point they feel like they needed to upgrade the position. So that's my question is what can they really expect from from the car if they were to bring him in Nothing right now? They better do it like now, Like, don't wait a while. I mean, what you need is a veteran guy that can come in here and help these younger players. Don't do it in June. The guy's already there. He doesn't know where

where the bathroom is. I mean, let him come in here and be a part of this program. I thought what Tavon Austin did was was really important from the timing standpoint. I mean, yeah, he can go work out anywhere, but be here and be a part of the team. Be a part of the group. That's what they need to get this better. If they're gonna do it, do it now, because because you're right, Zavier Woods came on

Razor not gonna make any plays on the ball. They're not gonna separate anybody from you know, a pass and knock at anyone on their ass. I mean, they need to get a guy that can do it right now, come in here and play. He's not more of what they are well, and they're gonna tell you, and they might be right, but they're he's well, he's another like box guy. We already have that, but he's different from what they already have in the sense that he has

started and played well and had an NFL career. I mean he I know, Okay, last year he got hurt, he wasn't a big part of it, but he has started for them and played well. I don't know if he's ever been to a Pro Bowl, but he has been in Pro Bowl consideration. He's been part of a Saints team that made a playoff push like or even I mean Trey Boston too. It doesn't have to be Kenny of a Car. I just they don't have a guy who has started what you want to experience, Yes,

I want. I mean, and again for the million time, I feel like I'm worried people think that I hate Xavier Woods and don't think he can play. That's not the case. I just hope is not a strategy. It's not it's a I just think that's a bad idea going into it. Jerry was asked if Eric Reid was an option, and he did not answer it either way. He didn't say that he's not or he just said, I'd just rather not talk about any veterans that are

out there free agents or whatever. And Eric Reid, obviously he's you know, he's really good player and a former first round pick and a player that was that kneeled every game right for the anthem. Yeah, I was a big part of it. So yeah, that's those are the facts. I don't know. I don't mean, Jerry's not gonna say one way or another, but just those are the facts. Whether I mean, I don't know. I mean, and again,

I hope Xavier Woods does. I hope he is the safety of the future because they got a great deal on him, and again they thought very highly of him, and he fell all the way to the sixth rounds. I need to be the safety of the future. He has a has a unique skill set of being a slot corner type safety. I mean, there's a spot for him. That doesn't necessarily mean that he has to be back

there starting. I think, well, I think Jordan Lewis could be a hell of a slot cornerback, and so if Xavier Woods can play safety, that's where I would prefer for him to be. But I mean, you talk about look at all the things they've done to foster competition at receiver and all these other spots, like nobody like the Xavier Woods has gotten the greatest vote of confidence ever. They're literally just like the job's yours to lose like

you can. But I guess that's my point is I don't think they're doing I think what they're doing right now is he just haven't found the right opportunity yet. And we all agree by summer they're gonna find somebody to put in that spot. I don't think they're going to camp with just those guys. I would be shocked if they haven't added somebody July. I still think it's going to be Earl And maybe it is. All I'm saying is I don't think. I don't think they go

to camp with that with just what they got. How you just trade you go into next year unless and don't trade next year's one, but you can trade unless he stages a holdout? What is Seattle's motive for? Kind agree with you on that? Why do you want to you? Why would you give up one of your best players for a pick that you can't use for eight months and if you let him leave in free agency next year,

then you get a comp pick for him. Anyway, that's probably gonna be a three out of guess as good a player as he is depends on the size of the deal. Kids, it's gonna be significant, right, I just I mean, when do you want to make this pick to yours or or next year? I'd rather have a no, That's what I'm saying. I mean, your scenario is you you keep him for a year and then you get

a pick a year later. What would you change? What would you rather have for the twenty eighteen season as the Seahawks who have already dumped a bunch of players when they got a secondary Now you Pro Bowl caliber player or a pick that you can't use until the season's over. I just maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I just I don't think it's as easy to get this done now that the draft, So I don't know.

All I know is that the reason why the Cowboys and other teams wait until the last second to turn into the card is to see if someone's going to offer you next year's one. Well, yeah, that's that's what they always say. Next year's one changes everything. Well, I mean next year's two is still probably valuable. Sure it is. No, it is. And I think I agree with both of you guys, and I think both can kind of exist.

I think they're kind of the dual things that are probably why Gil hasn't been done is because you're kind of going back and forth between the two. Yeah, they would probably love to get a two from the Cowboys. But on the flip side, as Dave said, they got a young secondary and they're probably looking at like, well, if we're gonna get him for one more year and let him kind of be the veteran in this secondary with these young guys, and then even if he walks away,

we thought we'll be compensated with a pick. So either way it would probably pretty good. So it has to be a pick that we're getting from a team that just knocks our socks off for us to actually move us, to actually make us say, yeah, we gotta do it.

Now and struggle with next year having an extremely young so and that's why, I mean, that's why stuff like that happens on draft weekend, because it's like you pick up the phone and you're like, you can have pick eighty one in fifteen minutes, So just add that to whatever you're already about to do, like you have that instant chance to upgrade your team, Whereas now it's like, well, we're gonna lose one of our best players for these sixteen games that matter so much, and we don't get

to do anything about it until next April. And I'm not saying it's impossible. I just think it's way it's even more unlikely than it already. Lets them go get the car, oh hey, and that probably that would be that would be happy, right, That would be upsetting for me. Is like the Cowboys are like, he's not a scheme fit, he's not as scheme fit, we don't want him. And then somehow the Cowboys get Earl Thomas and the Seahawks go sign him to do what the Cowboys said he

could do, which that's probably well. The other thing about the Seahawks to remember is their strong safety. They don't know what's gonna happen with him? He still has not come back from that injury. Yeah, so if they're gonna lose him too, now you have a completely different secondary from what you had the beginning of last season, and are you willing to let the guy who is the kind of the centerpiece of that in Earl Thomas call.

The reason why I still think this is happening or there's gonna be some veteran is that they had ten picks to start the draft and they had to sign eighteen more free agents, so they had to bring in twenty eight players. I think it's ended up being twenty seven because of the trade. But I mean they brought in twenty eight players and there's one safety who's an undrafted player from Oregon. That just tells me that there's still nobody's come in here and change their mind about anything.

In fact, it's even worse because you got twenty seven players that have come through and you haven't added anyone, so it's even more of a need. Yeah. I mean Rolando McClain, the year he was good. He joined this team on like July tenth, you know, so I don't think this is done. I just would be surprised. If it's et all right, guys, appreciate you joining us. We are back next Wednesday. We'll give you, guys a little

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