Cowboys Break: Why No Trades?

live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we've got so much to talk about today. Happy Halloween all you guys out there listening. But we're gonna go ahead and jump right in. Um, I guess the news begins with what the way it started? Last night? We get word that there was a ruling in the Zeke Elliot case he was not grant at the injunction and Dave,

I guess, let's let's turn you. You basically tell me what you really want to do that I do spend five minutes saying we weren't going to get her ruling yesterday. You've quickly become our legal expert on this ship. That's my point. I'm not. I try to tell you all that, backup, back up, there are a bunch of guys that are legal experts that botched, I shouldn't even say botched this, that had a completely different opinion of what was going

to happen than what actually happened. So the fact of the matter is, I don't think anybody other than the judge knows in these instances how they're going to turn out. But tell us what that means, what would basically what happened yesterday and what that means for Zeke going forward. Well, Zeke and his crew had a two hour hearing with Judge Catherine Failure Faila. I don't know yesterday. You know, this is the one that we've been talking about for

two weeks. The hearing that came after the temporary restraining order was granted before the San Francisco game. She went back to her chambers and deliberated and wrote her out and denied the preliminary injunction, pulled it and there's a twenty four hour delay, meaning you know, so tonight Ezekiel Elliott's suspension is in line to go into effect. He is still consulting with his legal team. The NFLPA and

the Cowboys legal team to decide what to do. He can appeal it, he can go after that in bank hearing that we talked about a couple weeks ago. Don't ask me what that means. I don't really know. We were just talking about this before the show started. There are ways that he can still fight this, but I am dubious that there are ways he can fight this

and remain on the football field, like there are. He can appeal this and and ask for another injunction, but everything I've read describes it as like a nearly zero percent chance. Because this is the same district that denied Tom Brady that and forced him to take his four game suspension. That's why the NFL wanted to file here. That's why everybody was talking about New York and the

second district. So, you know, barring something crazy, it sounds like I said, he can fight this, however far hard he wants to fight it, but he's gonna be doing it while he's suspended. More than likely, that's what it looks like right now. How much did you see from the as far as the rationale, the ruling of the judge here and why she ruled a way that she did, yeah, um, I did. I mean I read through it last night. The big one of the big things that I came

away with first. I mean, you know, she said, you know, Zeke and his team had ample opportunity to make their case to the NFL arbitrator Harold Henderson, going way back to August. She also said something that I disagree with. I feel weird for quibbling with this, but but she had something in her in her decision that basically said, you know, Zeke's whole argument for this is that it would cause irreparable harm, you know, for him not to

be on the football field. And she said, basically, I don't buy that because, just like in any other labor dispute, you know, monetary awards can be given out afterward and

that's sufficient or whatever. And I read that and I was like, this is somebody who like doesn't follow football or sports really is basically understand comes down to, because that's that's six games that can go toward you know, NFL Offensive Player of the Year or getting your team to the playoffs or and that's not a monetary value necessarily winning a championship that you don't put a money

on that, right winning a championship. That's six games that he won't have to help him go toward Cowboys and NFL rushing records and those types of things. Um, So I just I don't buy that in the slightest. Like I said, it feels I feel weird quibbling about it, because at the end of the day, you take this back, we're arguing about a very serious issue and whether you know, obviously this case isn't about whether or not he's guilty of domestic violence, but it all stems back to domestic

violence allegations. So, like I said, it feels like a quibble. But I don't think she could be more wrong about that in the sense that, yeah, you can award him money for the lost games later and that's fine, but he will never get this back in terms of I mean, the average NFL running back career is not long, and that's a healthy chunk of games behind a great offensive

line that he won't have. He's averaging one hundred and twenty five yards per game right now, so you're talking about several hundred rushing yards and touchdowns and chances to you know, build his legacy that he will never get back. So I didn't agree with that at all. Well, I mean, that's absolutely wrong. I mean, it's unbelievable that anybody would would say that and not understand the dynamics of this thing.

When you get drafted fourth overall, you get drafted, you know, there's a sense of security, there's some guarantees that you're going to be here, and you know, if Zeke comes back, and to my understanding, if he comes back and gets at an injury and it's career threatening, I mean, he

has no guarantees anymore. All of those guarantees of a first round pick are gone because they get voided when you get suspended like this, and that's nothing that the Jerry Jones can say, you know what, we're gonna go ahead and do. It's not something that they can do. That's an NFL policy. So you take that in into consideration. The lack of endorsements that will probably be there probably I mean, I mean that won't be there because of this.

There's a lot of money that that's lost in this situation, not to mention all the legal fees that he's paying for this. So I mean, I think he should keep going as far as he can. But it doesn't sound like there's there's a lot of options. Well, I think this is going to continue. I mean, it's still going to go into twenty eighteen. I would guess. I doubt that this is just going to be the end of it. In terms of Zeke's case against the NFL, we'll think

about it. All this was was just the injunction. The injunction simply just hasn't gone to give him relief until the case goes through court. Right so the case, this doesn't stop the case from going through court. It's still going to happen the league is I mean, he's still gonna at some point be heard by I assume some court in his case that the NFL was unfair and how they handled this whole situation and so. But that's not going to change him playing right now. I don't

think it doesn't. I don't think there's a lot he can do to try to get back on the field without serving this suspension. I've been wrong. I was wrong yesterday. So we'll see. But that's what it looks like right now. Yeah, sorry, go ahead, No good. It's just you know, and Jerry Jones talked about it on the fan this morning. It's

just it's it's a crappy situation. And like I said, I mean, you know, we're so far past the point of what actually happened between him and Tiffany Thompson in July of twenty sixteen, and at this point it's just a ridiculous mess that. Yeah, I mean, the NFL once again, I don't think could have handled this much worse. You mentioned Jerry, and you mentioned the NFL not handling things much worse. Let me give you some of the quotes

from Jerry this morning. He was actually pretty fourth right, and and we harkened back to earlier this year when he was saying, I'm not going to say a whole lot about the Zeke situation. I'll say that, and it seems like this morning he doesn't have a whole honey right now. He's like this morning was the moment when he decided I'm tired of saving it. I'm going to throw it out there. But here were some of the quotes. He said, Elliot's decision, the Ellott decision absolutely was made

to appease the public. But that was a pretty big statement to make. And then he said, speaking of Roger Goodell, he said, I'm sure he'd like to have he'd like to take back his stance on Rice and others because of that that Zeke is an overcorrection. Again, very very

big statement. When you hear those things, What do you think I mean from the standpoint of just kind of how Jerry is not only not only talking about this from the standpoint of what this means, like why this is all happening, but also kind of pointing a little bit at Goodell, pointing a lot at Goodell and saying that this is really him trying to make up four

things that he is screwed up in the past. Another one not to criticize you, I think another big one you left out of there is he said, under this same CBA that was agreed upon in twenty eleven, twenty ten, whenever that was, Zeke would be playing two years ago, two years ago, Zeke would be playing under the same CBA. But because of things that have happened that the NFL mishandled.

I really and like I said, you know, I don't know for sure what didn't didn't happen that summer, but I do know that this is a classic case of a massive organization over correcting, you know, and like, I feel bad because you wind up having to paint in broad strokes. But I absolutely think that this is a result of Roger Goodell and the NFL feeling embarrassed and not wanting to further embarrass themselves over things that they've

mishandled in the past. That's absolutely what I think. I mean, frankly, the way I look at I think people realized that the way that whole situation with Ray Rice, the way it played out, was it looked bad on the league. But I'm totally a believer in the fact that the league that didn't have to go the route of saying, okay, because of that, we're going to now start doing our own investigations and figure out how we can penalize guys,

whether the legal system does it or not. I think there was still a middle ground of saying, look, we'll go with whatever is happening in the courts. If the courts find you guilty, you're obviously going to get a penalty. But if they don't and there's not enough evidence there there's a middle ground. And if if something comes out later that changes in let's say it's a tape video,

then then yes, react to the tape. It's okay to see the tape and be appalled by the tape and say this was not evidence that we had before, because if you remember back in that situation, it wasn't that the tape came out, it was that there was in There were indications that maybe the league knew about the tape before it came out and didn't do anything. That's

a whole different situation. So I just think that it's almost like they were waiting for a tape this time, almost were waiting for some kind of video that would surface and say, well, this is kind of why we're dragging our feet on this or whatever. I mean, they're putting it, putting all of the thoughts together. But you know, I don't know, I don't know exactly what to make of that what Jerry said. There's a lot more going on in that dynamic with Jerry versus the League versus Goodell.

There's been all these reports about Jerry's the one that's kind of stopping this new contract for for Goodell. So anytime there's a chance to kind of go at each other, you're definitely seeing that this is going to be an interesting how all of this plays out when I say all this, I mean even the contract extinction for Goodell they in another was four years. I think the CBA is gonna expire something, and then you're in a situation where you know the league will be negotiating again on

a CBA. So whoever sitting in Goodell's seat, whether it's Goodell or someone else, that's important, right. So there's a lot of dynamics to this Z case that extend well beyond Z and and and for the NFLPA, they're probably looking at this too, and it's probably giving them like, even though this only affects a small group of guys, you've now had two superstars in the league in two consecutive years that have had to deal with core cases

with the NFL. Does it become a situation where although it only affects a small number of them, that the players start to say, we still have to address this because it's not only it's not a situation necessarily of just bad guys doing bad things. Sometimes it's guys being falsely accused of things and the league is taking out harsh punishment on them for things they don't feel like

they've done wrong. I don't know how this couldn't be like one of your top priorities if if I was a player, could Yeah, I mean because it could be you, right, it's a tiny minority of guys. But all it takes is the wrong set of circumstances, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, getting involved with the wrong person, whatever, and all of a sudden, this is you. And you know, it's unfortunate for Zeke and the Cowboys that I mean,

it's too late for him. But I guess if there's a if there's an upshot of this whole thing, like there's there's just gotta be a better way to do this. And I mean, like, domestic violence is so heinous and Jerry Jerry said that today. If you know, if you're if you're guilty of domestic violence, you should not be playing. But Ezekiel Elliott has not even been charged with anything

in the American court system, let alone proven guilty of it. Yeah, And the fact that a multi billion dollar organization can sort of, you know, play judge, jury and executioner with your life and your career, that would be terrifying to me if I was an NFL player. You know, it's interesting.

I was having a conversation this morning with Shannon Gross, who does the Hanging with the Boys show, and we were kind of talking about this, and he had an idea, and it was like, you know, if you really if you're the NFL and you really want to do if you really want to get into the business of doing investigations and figuring out, you know, guilt or innocence and then doling out punishment, why wouldn't you just have a completely separate group, like a group that's not owned by

the league. This is a group that both the league and NFLPA go fifty fifty and pay for, and it is a group that is made up of legal professionals. These are people who have worked in law enforcement investigations their entire career, and all they do is look at issues that come up in the NFL with players. They investigate them, they come up with a decision, and they decide what the punishment should be. It takes it out of the league's hands. The league doesn't have to worry

about it. But you have competent people who are looking at that kind of stuff. And it's not one way or the other. Both pay the salary, right, both NFLPA and the league pay the salary of this group, and then it keeps it to where it's it really should be just based upon looking at the facts and making a decision if the NFL is going to stay in the business of investigations. Right, the cynical side of me would suggest that the NFL doesn't want to give up

control of what happens in these situations. And that's I think still goes by problem. Right, that's the problem of Harold Henderson shouldn't be the appeal guy. It just says it seems like, hey, we've decided to spend him two games for an illegal hit. He's appealing it. Hey two games, he's appealing it. You know, it opens the door. He comes out like, yeah, I still I still think so too gay? Yeah, sorry, your pills denied? I mean it, yeah right, we heard. Oh I know, we don't agree.

I don't. Yeah, I don't trust that the NFL actually wants that. But I mean, and the NFLPA, maybe they should be stronger, I don't. I mean, they get they get roasted all the time for being the weakest of all of the you know, professional sports league player unions. So like I said, I'm I don't know. I don't have the answers. But this system sucks. But yeah, and the league should want that because right now, I think the problem is the league spending way more time dealing

with things that aren't about football. Yeah, and I think it's it's affecting their product. And I think fans are seeing that too. I think fans are like, Man, I just want to know that when I sit down and watch my game, I'm gonna see my players that I expect to see. I don't want to be up to having to hear about court cases like it's not while I tune in the football. I'm exhausted by this and I'm technically getting paid to cover it and talk about it.

You know, I can't imagine if this was just like my hobby and my escape from life, if I had to hear about this crap every time I turned on the break. So I empathize with all of y'all. I'm sorry, but that's where we are. Yeah, the Cowboys lose a running back for six games and the Eagles get one. Nick you have to kill every I'm gonna get to that. Okay, Well, let's go transition. All right, let's take it. Let's take

a break. We come back from our break. Before we get to that, because we're gonna talk about the trade deadline and what other teams are doing and maybe what the Cowboys should be doing. I do want to talk a little bit, go into some detail about what the Cowboys have to do now without Ezekiel Leather for the next six games. And I want to get these guys

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the next six games for the Cowboys. So what I want to do is I want to go through some of these games and get your opinions. This is this is a part of the season where at least for the next three weeks Cowboys are gonna be playing three teams that are, in my opinion, pretty much two of the three are locks I think for the playoffs. One of them was in the Super Bowl last year. So it's gonna be a tough road for the Cowboys for

all six of these games. But I want to go through and just get your opinions and how you think the Cowboys can do. What you based on what you know now of these teams, because things can change, but based on what you know now of these teams, whether you think thumbs up, you think the Cowboys win that game, can win the game against whoever it is without Ezekiel Levey or thumbs down, you don't think there's a great chance for them to win. Let's start with Kansas City

this weekend. Cowboys can win without Zeke Well, I mean, I'm not gonna mess up your game. I think the Cowboys have a chance to win every game. I mean, I really do. It doesn't I mean, we know this everything you don't think I guess just if we want to just paint it as a broad thing. You don't think that this necessarily changes their ability to win. It

changes the ability to win. It doesn't mean that you can't win, but it decreases the ability to win because he is a better player and he can extend drives better than the other two guys that you have. But this offensive line is playing better that they're getting into a groove. They're getting into a groove with Zeke, but they were getting into a groove and I think running backs they can move the ball and be efficient. But everybody else on this team's gonna have to step up.

The defense is gonna have to play better, and they have been playing well, and that's the sad part. They got to play better. The receivers have to get open, and it's gonna take more from every single person. But do they have a chance. Sure? Okay, So just to give people kind of a some way to kind of quantify that, let's assume that with Zeke they were at a ten on chances to win. Where would they be now without Zeke? On a scale of one to ten, six,

you could almost say, well, they weren't at a ten anyways. Yeah, I'm no, that's what I'm saying, yeah, you get what I'm saying. I'm not saying that that they were necessarily going to win all those games. I'm saying that if you just assume with Zeke ten was the max. Without Zeke, where are they? You know, you say six? Right? Six? I like that. I mean I got thirteen stakes ober here. I don't think it's weird, be like, I don't think this. Yeah,

I'm with Nak. I don't think it changes it that drastically. But the problem is they're about to play some really good teams that are that were better than them when

they had Zeke. In my opinion, like I I don't like their chances on Sunday against the Chiefs of Zeke is in the lineup, to be perfectly honest, just based on what I've seen of the Chiefs um Philly interesting because Jason Peters is out now, but that defense is still gross in a good way, and that that hurts when you don't have a guy like Zeke who can

turn a zero yard gain into a three yard game. Um. So yeah, obviously they're not remotely as good of a team without Ezekiel Elliott, but I think they can still follow the blueprint that they've been following, and it should give them a chance to be competitive in most of

these games. Yeah, but I think what you just said kind of illustrates how I think about it that in those games against those teams that they need to get wins over, their chances of winning those games was has been harmed quite a bit because of the fact that they don't have what they need. Like you're playing a team like Kansas City. Kansas City's offense, in my opinion,

is one of the best in the league. They've got game like, they got guys that can in one play go to distance right on a return, on a catch, on a run, it doesn't matter. They can go to distance on any one play when you're playing this defense. That's not really an opinion so much as a fact. Right, did you get Brian's stat sheet this morning? No, I haven't looked at. It breaks down like everything they're good at and where they rank in the league. First, Kansas

City has just won all the way down the pitch. Yeah, And so my point is that in order for you to beat a team like that, number one, you got to keep their offense off the field, which you need a good running back to do that, and number two, their defenses in the slouch. So you're gonna have to be able to drive the ball and be able to get those that one yard game, turn that one yard game into a three yard game, a four yard game. And I haven't seen yet. It doesn't mean they can't

do it. I haven't seen yet this team function in that way without Ezekiel Elliott. I haven't seen Dak be the guy without Ezekiel Elliott. There's a lot of things that haven't been seen yet. And so for me, I look at this and I'm like, I think I can't really say that. I think that this will not be an appreciable difference than what we've seen just because I haven't seen it yet. I don't know. I don't agree with that. Really. I will be surprised if they completely

lose the ability to run the foot. Yeah, Like if they just can't do it, if it looks like Denver all over again, that would surprise me. I know it's preseason, but we saw these guys play just fine all through the preseason. Darren McFadden and Alfred Morris. We're having, you know, eight carries forty nine yards, nine carries fifty six yards rod Smith. I know it was garbage time, but he looked great against the forty nine ers in the fourth quarters.

So like, if if they just completely lose the ability to run the football, that would surprise me a lot. But you just lost arguably the best running back in the NFL. Like, it's not gonna be as pretty. You're not gonna have as you know, the potential for game breaking plays quite as much. Again, probably the most important thing. I just don't know if you have that battering ram player that can consistently turn nothing into something, I think

it's gonna be tough. And this is this is definitely gonna be a different approach that they can't go into it like they've done with you know, Morris gets a series, you know, and that's it. I mean, I don't think the backup is going to get one series. I think you'll see whoever that they decide to start. If they decide to start Morris and then go McFadden or or the just just leap frog Morris with McFadden, or if rod Smith jumps out, I mean they're gonna it's gonna

be interesting to see the dynamic of it. I wouldn't be surprised if you see four different players in this game with five carries or more, I mean, I think that that'll happen. Take me back to twenty fifteen, that was the last time this team didn't have Ezekiel Elliott. And going back to what you said a little bit earlier, Dave, they were they were. They didn't fall off the map. It wasn't like they couldn't run the ball. But I do remember there were games. I think I remember you

guys probably a lot better than that. There were games when and in moments when they wanted to run the ball and could not do it very effectively. That I think may be the difference if I'm remembering that correctly, and so yes saying they won't completely fall off. That's one thing. They may be able to have yards at certain times and games, But when they really need to run the ball, will they be able to run the ball. That's the big difference. I think the differences between those

teams are this. Number one, you've got a better offensive line than you had then in twenty fifteen. There's no way that just from the three all pros you've got, they're better players than they were then. And then they have to be um. I think that the left guard was Lyell Collins. Now it's Jonathan Cooper. I think Cooper is better than than Collins was as a rookie rookie guard and I you know, I'm Doug Free was kind

of banged up a little bit Collins. They might not be as good right there, but their quarterback is better. He's more polished than than they than down the stretch there, and so you know, you can say McFadden maybe he's lost a step, but he hasn't had a lot of wear and tear on him since that twenty fifteen So you got Morris, you got me faddened. They should have some fresh legs. You know, they're capable backs. I mean, it's gonna be a drop off. I'm not saying that

they can't. You know, it's gonna be exactly the same, but I think they can get the job done. The Cowboys have played teams this year with backs that probably aren't as good, and and it happens there's the NFL teams out there that don't have what the Cowboys have right now, even without seek well, I I one hundred percent agree with that, and I think they've done a good job as good a job being ready for this

as they could be expected to. But that twenty fifteen team was bad in short yardage, and I don't know that. I obvious the quarterback situation is so much better, but I don't know that I agree that this line is better than that line right now. And the other thing is like Zeke is basically just like a cinder block. Like I mean, I think about that fourth down against the Packers where it's four yeah, the fourth and win where he gets four yeah, and well, and the stretch

all all of that, Oh that play. I'm sorry. The Cowboys have gone forward on fourth and short six times this year. Do you think they're gonna do that without Zeke? I don't. I don't think Jason Garrett has the confidence to do that without Zeke in the lineup. We'll see if I'm right or wrong. But he went forward on fourth in a long one at midfield against the Redskins because he knew on top of the line, he's got a damn battering ram back there. And maybe Rod Smith

can do it. He's a big guy, he's six three, But we haven't seen that. And I wonder if they'll have the confidence to play that way. I don't know that they will, and I don't know that again, I don't know how good it's gonna look when it comes time where you've got to get two yards. And that's what works with the thing that I would be concerned about here is, you know, the guy that I think can get the job done is McFadden. I really think that. But he's been out for so long that his biggest

problem is hanging onto the football. I mean, and when you're not in there, I mean, you know, they're not popping and hitting people in practice, even though guys tend to get hurt on Wednesdays around here, so maybe they are. But um, I just I feel like him kind of being out of the fray for that long and then kind of getting getting in there and getting that first hit. I wonder about the rust there and hanging onto the football, but I mean, he'll have fresh legs, but you but

you wonder about the flip side there too. Yeah, this is this is gonna be a tough situation, I think. And I do wonder if we get three weeks into this and we all of a sudden are thinking and talking about Rod Smith more, because I do think Rod smith is is maybe that kind of his style of running is more of the style that can take that one yard or to a three yarder, because he's a big, like you said, a big, a goal type back. The challenge for him is that he's never been the guy.

He's never actually run, He's never been the primary runner, not even in college. I mean, he just hasn't been that role for him, and so I don't I would like to see more of him. I just don't know if the Cowboys would be willing to bypass their two veterans in order to give it to him. I don't trust that this coaching staff will I will see and I mean you could argue very easily that he hasn't

earned it. I mean, when you think about it, it it sounds crazy to think, like, well, this third year player with like fifteen career carries deserves more of a shot than these pro bowlers who have a thousand yards seasons. Like that sounds crazy on the surface, But I would like to see what he can do. I just and I don't expect him to be the lead guy. But I hope, I just hope they don't forget about him. Yeah, I actually I woke up this morning and I was

thinking about this. One of the things I thought was, I thought it would be really great. How great would it be right now for the Cowboys if they had one of those young second or third round pick running backs, because there is something to the spry, young running back and throwing him into the situation like Jagie, you mean, well,

we can get to that. I mean, he's got some issues on his own of you know, I assume, and you would have to give up give up a pick for him, which I don't know if you want to give a fourth round pick for a temporary solution. All that being said, we'll get to that. I'm just saying, though, when you when you talk about just guys that and you see a Dave you do the Draft show every year,

they're guys in second, third, fourth rounds that are running backs. Said, you might not say, Hey, I'm gonna bring this guy in to be my you know, five year starter at running back. But he's a guy that comes in and because he's spry, and he's young, and he has that energy that young backs have, you get him into a

six game mix. He can jump right in and be able to get you some really quality starts there, and I just personally I like those guys better than it's the veterans sometimes because of the they're young and their spry. You know, can't cut this out and save it for the spring. It's October thirty first, twenty seventeen, and I think, give me a name. I think, no, I'm not gonna give your name. But I think the Cowboys would be bonkers if they don't use a moderately valuable draft asset

on a running back. I agree with that Zeke is first, he has not one percent proven that he is a trustworthy guy going forward. We I mean, we just have enough time has not passed for us to be able to say that he's one slip up away from being banned forever? Is that not true? Just in terms of domestic I mean afterward if he had another domestic violing elsewhere to happen, I don't know, if it's forever, I don't know the year. He don't know, another slip up

away from being in big trouble. Put it that way, um, which I will say this domestic I don't think, and I could be to totally speaking out of target. I don't think domestic violence in this instance, is something like drugs where you kind of have a relapse. I don't think maybe it is some extra you're a target. Yeah, and it's it's it's just smart insurance, it's smart thinking ahead. I'm not saying he's going to do something else, but

I'm saying, just cover yourself against all possible outcomes. But Alfred Moore and Darren McFadden are near or on the wrong side of thirty. They're both in contract years. Rod Smith I like a lot, But again, that's just one guy. I would you could convince me to spend a third round pick on a running right round. Well, let's think about this too. I mean the Cowboys drafted him, were excited about him fourth overall, they still spent a sixth round pick on a back because they liked him. So

I know that's not what you're talking about. You're talking about earlier than that, but still six would be fine. But but but but what I'm saying is is that they I think that they all they have that that opinion. They had it then because Darius Jackson was a guy they liked on their board, so they said, I don't know where he fits, you know, and all this, But let's just take them. So I think they will do that.

And you know, you're talking about now Zeke's he'll be getting into his third year, and they've said all along that, I mean, their opinions have changed on drafting and their philosophy has changed on drafting backs because you know, it's just basically just five years and didn't turn them. So he's gonna have to show that he can stay out of trouble, that he can stay healthy and do all

those things to get another contract there. So yeah, I think this would be about the time that you would do that unless you've, you know, traded your third round pick for something here in the trade deadline. Well, let's get to that. You guys have been really pushing to get to this Jagie talk. I've gotten a lot of sweets. I'm sure you guys have as well. A fan saying

what are the Cowboys doing? Primarily because trade deadline ends today and you've got teams like Philadelphia who are making moves. Philadelphia brings in a running back Jedi a And to be quite honest with you, that wasn't even nary I considered a weakness for them. They've been getting a lot of production out of out of there. What's the guy's name, Garrett Blunt. He's been running well for them. Now maybe it's not as consistent as they want. Maybe they feel

like they give them themselves another body. Maybe they're protecting themselves because he's not the most reliable guy either when you talk about off the field stuff. He's had some suspensions as well, So maybe this is just kind of a protective move to give them a little bit more. But either way, they made a move. You've seen a couple of other teams make some moves here over the last day or so. Do you think the Cowboys, first of all, putting on your hats of I know we

always talk about what should or what would happen? Do you, guys expect right now that the Cowboys will make a move based on the people that you've talked to and what you knew of this team, do you expect that they will make a move here before the trade deadline? I do not expect that, No, but I haven't really heard either way. I just I'm just going off of nineteen years of trade deadline and I don't I'm sorry,

I don't remember anything really major happening. So when was it right at the trade deadline when they traded for Roy Williams or was that earlier in the season than that a little bit early in October. It seemed like it was early in October. I don't think it was out at the deadline. Yeah, in my experience, they've only ever done trades during the season out of necessity. They traded for Bryce Butler because Dez broke his foot. They traded for Matt Castle because Tony Romo broke is clavical.

You could come at me and say that the Zeke suspension makes it. But for whatever your opinions of those guys, I think they've done a good job. They are already covered in that area and they think that as well. They've been I mean, they carried extra running backs for this very purpose, like they have more than they needed all even going back to the spring. Really, so that would surprise me. Jerry Jones said this morning that they you know, sort of you know, they had a couple

of things in the mill. I think was his jerryism for it. I would I'd be surprised. And then you know, if if something were to happen, I don't think it's going to be a blockbuster, like trading for a Jgie. So let me throw this etue just to play Devil's advocate. You say, they've already covered themselves at the running back position, but we all have talked about the fact that in order for them to do well over the stretch, the other areas of the team are going to have to

pick up and do more. So when you start talking about it from that perspective, are there guys out there say at the wide receiver, yes, like Ty, I knew where you were going, t Y Hilton. How cool would that be? That would be really cool. I don't know that the Cowboys would do it, but you know, and I've read something yesterday. I think it was Chris Mortenson that was reporting that basically in Annapolis is like, if you're gonna get him, you're gonna have to give up

something significant. Are you willing to give up a first round pick? Are you willing to give up a second round yes? Oh, you are willing to give up a second round pick? Yeah? I definitely would do that. What so I can keep so I can get another Gavin Escobar? I mean, their their history on second round pick be DeMarcus Lawrence. Right, Okay, but it's not gonna be a high second round pick. Who you got the cult second round? No, No,

you would give up your own round. How do you know, Because it'll be it'll be in the middle, be in the middle of. If this whole thing just really goes south here during this wall game, it won't. It won't. There's still a five hundred team at worst. It's what Nick saying. No, you said middle of packs a little bit of middle pick. So at worst they're gonna be

five hundred fifty something like that. I mean, at fifty, if you could get a wide receiver who is a playmaking receiver, who has speed, who is he's really doesn't have a big contract, he probably wants one, but I mean he's gone, he's going to want one, but he's already proven in the league, and he's you know, he gives you something you don't have. I mean, I definitely would do that. I don't think their history was second round picks haven't haven't been that that great at all.

So it's their risk taking spot. That's what they do. They in the second round is where they kind of take some risks and flyers that they've done it for five or six years if you were hurt, you were a first round or you dropped down here like Bruce Carter, we're gonna take you. So I certainly would in a

second round. You think their history of what's happened with big time wide receivers they've brought into trade or through you know, through just signing free a do you think that effect would affect them making a decision like this. Obviously the two that come to mind, or Roy and uh and then Joey Galloway. You think I would affect them making a decision like this where you're gonna give up a premium pick in order to get a veteran wide receiver. Well, that's why I would, Yeah, probably, So

that's why I don't they wouldn't entertain a first round pick. Yeah, I would think they would be burned by taking giving them a first rounder. But I think a second rounder is completely different. We saw that last year, I mean two years ago. You know, do you want it, Randy Gregory? Yeah, they wanted them, They wanted them at twenty eight, they didn't take them. They took Byron Jones, safer pick. Then get to sixty and it's a little different. Now. Now we're gonna do it? So, yeah, I would. I would

do it. I mean maybe even a third round pick. I don't know, just tampering, which we're just kind of talking about what three just three bros shooting the breeze about the trade prospects, other other guys that are out there that you guys think would would fit. I've seen reports Antonio Brown would Yeah, right, I heard. I've seen reports that that Miami might be looking to move on from Indomican Sue Um Like, would you would you look at would you look at the situations like that? I

don't know about that one. Where where where's this money coming from? Ye? That's true. That goes for Ty too. I mean if I'm if I'm giving up a pick like that, I'd better be resigning him. Well where's that money coming from? Because that's I was again, And it's hard to it's hard to project this because you know,

things change and you restructure contracts. But like they're I think they're sitting on like ten million in cap space, So they got some work to do when the elite when the year ends, just to even have room to do everything they want to do, especially if they have to franchise tag to Marcus Lawrence. So you're putting a mega deal like Sue or I'm thinking t Y Hilton, Like you're gonna try to I mean, he was the leading receiver in the NFL last year. He's gonna want

big money. You're already paying Deads. You gotta find get rid of him or restructure him, whatever you're gonna do there. You gotta figure that out. Then you're basically either Deads or Terrence. You're saying, sorry, there's no room for you here. I know I just gave you a bunch of money, but what are we gonna do with you now? Um? I just needless complicates things. I'd rather just draft a guy. And honestly, here's the thought, a guy like t Y Hilton.

I know Nick wants that guy that can take the top off the defense, but like, does that really fit what they want to do? Like is this a big play offense? In that sense? It could be think about it like this, you got anything you wanting to do that, but think about it like who traditionally Traditionally, when you have an offense that runs the ball really well, what

really can kill teams is that play action over the top. Right, If you've got a guy that can get deep on you on any given play and you're running the ball effectively. If you start getting that safety to bite up, or if you got eight men in the box and you just got one safety back there, that's when you really

can can make sense. Hey, I'm over, I'm over simplifying, But like, I just feel like their idea of that is like the play action fake and then you throw the eighteen yard crossing route to Terrence, and it isn't that because they don't have that guy they can take the top off the defense, right. Terence is pretty fast, man, Like if they wanted him to just run and go down the field, I feel like he could. I just at the level of a t Y Hilton. I'm not saying, Okay,

I know there's a difference. That's not my point. I just I don't think t Y Hilton is the guy that I've been asking about for a long time. That's not what I've been talking about. A guy like Ross is it Rosston, yeah, the speedy guy out there, or Nelson It's Nelson, Um John Ross is Rosy year. But you're talking about that kind of talking about In the day, was Mike Wallace from you know, um from Mole miss

or or or or a Ted Gain type. You know, somebody that is a complimentary receiver, but he can definitely run. Maybe that guy that was playing the other day and he's played at Texas and the Bills and track good good woman. I mean somebody like that. Um, now you're getting into a number one receiver and t Y Hilton that does that, then that's a little bit more you know, complicated.

I guess if if the little short guy is your number one, he needs to be like Antonio Brown, and he has been, he has been, and so you I agree with Day that that kind of complicates things a little bit. I think I'd try to work it out if you know, if you couldn't. I don't know that that guy would change the way the Cowboys would want to play offense. I really don't. I think they want to hold the ball, and I mean, yeah, if you break up play obviously, touchdowns are great, but like they

they're just they're methodical. They're not that like Big Ben type of let's just chunk the ball forty five yards eighteen times per game. Like I don't think that's the way they would play even if they had a guy like that. So I'm envisioning a world where t Y Hilton's frustrated because they're not really using them the way they're supposed to. And maybe that's just me being pessimistic, but I just kind of think that Garrett comes from that kind of offense, Like that's what they did back

in the nineties. They ran the ball and then they got harper over the top, they played underneath control type football, and then when they had an opportunity to do play action and they were trying to go and get that big one hit. They haven't had a guy really liked this on a long time. Alvin Joe wasn't that guy they wanted him to be. They wanted him to be Rocket.

They wanted him. Yeah, Rocket Rockets is the guy that that you know, the was supposed to be a complimentary to Michael Irvin though, and he was just a pure fast guy. That's what they need, in my opinion, they need that. They Terrence and des are kind of the same when it comes to athletically. I know Dez is more of the guy that can go up and get the ball. I bet you Terrence is faster, I would guess. So, yeah,

so you you want you want will Fuller. He's got like fifteen catches for Houston this year, and seven of them are touchdowns. He can go, that's exactly what it needs to be. So yeah, and there may be guys out there that you can, you know, trade for like that, but I would be pretty surprised. I'd be surprised if I'm sitting here tomorrow talking about that. I agree. All right, let's take our final break. We'll come back. We're gonna

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Numbers two one four eight seven two twenty one oh two again it is two one four eight seven two twenty one two. It's actually just four now the two ones gone. What huh wow? Sorry, okay, just a little a little tempt at humor. Do you have any do you have any questions? From Twitter? No way to go, Dave. I wasn't told that I needed to do that today. I have a question, hey, Twitter, thank somebody tweeted in what about trading for Carlos Hide? That kind of go

Ohio state guy. That kind of goes back to my point, and I like, that's something that people have talked about, even you know, weeks ago, when we weren't sure what was going to happen with Zeke. You know, I don't know what you'd have to give up to get at

Carlos Hide. I mean, you just got Jay Jay for a fourth round pick, so maybe not something huge, but I just feel like they're they're as good at running back as you could hope to be, like as Carlos Hide, that much of a pure upgrade over what you have. I know he's good, That's not what I'm trying to say.

But when you're talking about giving up assets to add to something that you've already done a reasonably good job of addressing, I just you know, if you if you want to trade for somebody, trade for a defensive tackle or a linebacker or a wide receiver like I just I don't know that you need to spend assets to add to that. But let's think about this though. Even though it sounds like this would be just a quick fix, you go into of the season knowing that, Okay, next year,

McFadden and Alfred Morris, I can't see them here. They're both free agents and they maybe they'll sign one of them, but not both of them. Rod Smith has kind of a unique role. So if you traded for a running back, maybe it was we'll say a guy like that Hide or somebody, a younger player, he would have a role. Even next year, even when Zeke came back, you were talking about drafting a player in the third or fourth round. If you could get a relatively young back with not

a lot of tread on the tires. I mean, I mean, I think you'd be okay, I'm trying to remember. I guess you would want tread on the tires. I'm trying to remember, not a lot of mileage on the car. Sorry, I'm trying to remember when he was drafted. He was he was the guy at Ohio State before Zeke, so he I'm guessing he was drafted in twenty fourteen, which I mean that so he's in a contract year. I don't know, Yeah, second round pick twenty fourteen, so he's

in a contract here. Yeah. Also that's why, Yeah, that's why you trade him because they didn't have to resign him. Also, would Carlo well, yeah, would Carlos Hide want to be a backup? I mean, he's good enough to be a starter, and that's what he would presumably be like and so, but he would love this opportunity because if he's going to be a free agent, he gets could certainly do a great work for himself, there's no doubt about. That's

actually really good point because that's the thing. You look at this and the running back has I mean or whatever the position you're getting they have to. You have to feel like as a team they're going to help you just for a short period of time. All you're doing is renting them. So this is a great opportunity to be able to go ahead and get a player like this that you can rent basically for six weeks. Gives him an opportunity to show what he can do

then become a free agent. Gives you an opportunity to get a great player for a specific amount of time just to tide you over until you guys. And it's a position that you can rent and not every position you come in and you and you can do that. And that's the kind of the scary part about Jagie is that when you go into Philadelphia, you know by Wednesday Thursday, you pretty much know what they're trying to do.

If you're a wide receiver, I don't know. If a wide receiver is gonna it's gonna take a little bit of time to get him to be dominant running back, though you can get That's why you see rookies that come in and do it well early. It's there's not a lot to it. Here's the ball, go to that gap, make a cut and do what you do. I mean, I know there's more to it than that, especially when it comes to blocking, blitzes and stuff like that, but

running backs can come in and make an impact. Let's just suppose for the purposes of this, that the Cowboys pick number one, twenty eight in the fourth round next year. That's what the forty nine ers want for Carlos Hide. Give them that, and you get Carlos Hide plus what you've already got for the next six games and beyond. So how many games are left? Eleven? Nine? Damn already halfway through? So you got that for nine games? I said nine? Oh okay, no, I said nine. Don't say twelve. No,

I didn't. You have Carlos Hide and those guys for nine games and then you got to figure that out, or you just take what you already got, get through this stretch, and then you have pick one twenty eight to spend on a running back who will be under contract with you for four years. I think that's about

long term play. I think that's a panic move to go get a guy like Carlos Hyde when, like I said, you're about as reasonably well set up as you could expect to be at that position, and you can address it next year, and you will at some point have Zeke again. I just I don't think that's something that you need or should do. I think the other thing to consider here, though, is everybody's looking at this as

six games. The likelihood that Zeke comes back after six games and is ready to just pick up where you left off is I think. I think that's being a little naive. But you won't need him too, because Alfred Morris will just be ripping off one hundred and sixty yard games. Yeah, if one of these backs gets into a nice groove, that's a good thing to have, because really you're gonna have and looking at the way this

team brings players backs, they're gonna ease him in. They're not just gonna go in and just throw the whole load at him when he comes back. I don't think so. All that being said, I think you have to look at this and say, really, your expectation is you want to have Zeke back and hitting a stride if and when you get to the playoffs. What did everybody say about Romo when he was with row momentum? Is that what they called it about to have some Alfie momentum?

All right? Get ready you believe in that? Not really, but I think I'm not. I don't believe that Alfred can't do it. I actually think Alfred can run well against I think I think, I don't know. I'm rooting like hell for him because he's probably the best guy in that locker, absolutely, and he's shown flashes when he's had opportunities. He's got the longest run of the season still, So I mean, like, I don't I don't think they're gonna be hopeless. I'm I'm intrigued to see how he does.

I hope he does well. YEA, all right, let's get a phone call. We have a call from Steven, New York. Steve, what up? How you doing guys? Thank you? UM obviously very concerned about the next six games. I'm curious. I agree with me on this. I mean, you know, Morris McCadden of whoever the good players with I don't think you could just plug them in and expect them to do what Zeke is on without adjusting the offense. What I mean by that, it's not only from a production

standpoint about blocking. I think a lot of people are forgetting how blocker that Zeke was. Yeah, no, there's I mean, he had a play in this game. I think it was either this, No, I think it was San Francisco, Like he just absolutely blew up an oncoming linebacker and gave Dak the time he needed. And I mean he's good for one or two of those per game. Like, he's really underrated as a blocker, There's no doubt about that. Darren McFadden struggled with that in the preseason. That's something

to remember. But I don't know it is what it is. I mean, play Devil's Advocate. They plugged Darren McFadden in after the bye week in twenty fifteen, and in his first real chance to start, he ran for one twenty nine against the Giants. So from a running perspective, I really do think, like I said earlier, I'll be shocked. If they just absolutely can't run the ball, you're gonna miss Zeke. But I still think they'll be able to move the ball on the ground. I thought that was

a lot more than that thought. Yeah, I mean one twenty nine against the Giants. I think so, But I mean, like that's I'm not thinking one sixty now. I think you're spoiled by a year and a half of watching Zeke do that on the rag, but I think it was one twenty nine. I'm pretty sure the rag on the regre for with any Powers? Okay, um no, I mean the thing about Zeke that which is so different than those other guys is that you know, when you think about the three you have, now you know who's

the fastest of the three? Um, probably McFadden. I think maybe I don't know, Yeah, but you know who's the best, the best and third and one? You know, you don't really know who's the best pass catcher. You know, maybe maybe it's Ross Smith. You know who who's who's your best? Got to start. The thing is is Zeke is the answer to every question you've got when it comes to running back. That's why it's really hard to get him

off the field. So now it's just it's gonna be tough to like mix and match who who does what? But I do think it'll open things up a little bit more. I think teams will have to figure out how to play them. It is unrelated shout out Matt t Y Hilton's under contract for a while. I didn't know that they sign them. I cover the Cowboys. It's not the Colts. Sorry, but I still don't think it's I don't know. I assume it's a hefty contract and

it's not something I'm trying to take on. I mean, that's the thing either way, And I think you guys said it at the beginning of this, the segment where we talked about this. The Cowboys are not one of those teams that gets out and as a big player in trade deadlines, a big player in free agency, they

look for bargain deals. They really expect to build their talent through the draft, and so everything else is just kind of the little add ons where they can get hopefully a deal here or there and they can pop, and one or two of them can pop, but that's not really their thing. Hasn't been their thing for years. I'm about to selling Mickey Spagnola, and I apologize in advance, I really do, But well, it's something that I thought

about though. You know, these trades are happening. Jagi is an Eagle now and people like, well, the Cowboys aren't bold. That's why they haven't won any Super Bowls in twenty years, and like that, I didn't I wouldn't even hear and I know that that's disingenuous, because half the reason the Cowboys were so inept for half of that time was because they were doing stuff like that and screwing it up.

I mean, you're going to get Joey Galloway, you're going to get Roy Williams, You're moving all over the draft, You're making you questionable decisions, and from what ninety eight until oh six, that was the philosophy that permeated this team and it set them back. I mean, it's not just like they were going eight and eight. They were bad for a real bad for a solid junk of that. And so I get that. It's frustrating because you want

your team to do things to make itself better. But in the way the NFL is structured, I just think it's so much smarter to mitigate your risk. And that's what you do when you build through the draft, because you're dealing with small contracts your deal. Again, none of your free agent signings from the spring panned out, but it doesn't matter because you didn't invest them in them anyway. So it's disappointing, but it doesn't set you back months and years like it did when you were doing those

bold things. So I just think it's so much smarter to build this low risk way where your hits hit big and your losses are mitigated by the fact that

you didn't put that much into them. Yeah, I will say this, I do think, just to kind of go a little bit on the other side, I think they're probably fans out there to say, hey, isn't there a middle ground, Like there was a time you're right and during that period when they were just going out and they were going crazy and free agency they'd get you know, in three years or you remember that ours still remember that one big day or two days where they signed

all these free agents and spend all this money like they were going all in. But there is a middle ground where you say, maybe there's one guy, one particular guy that you like. This guy completely fits what we're trying to do. The money's gonna work, and and it's a guy that that will completely change and help us

be better than what we were before. There's that middle ground where I think fans want them to at least be in that middle ground versus just being hey, we only want the bargain deals and and other than that, we're going to build through the draft for the most that the compensatory picks too. You know, for next year, you're gonna have some because you lost a lot of free agents, so you're gonna have extra picks, maybe in the middle round a little bit later on you can trade.

You can trade them now, so you are going to have that a little bit. I know that they're already factoring that end. So when you're thinking fourth, fifth round, you're probably gonna have more than one of those picks, so it maybe it'd be easier to pull the trigger on that. I think they they traded away one of their picks this year, I think, but they's they still should pick nine or ten times. Yeah, all right, guys, appreciate you joining us back tomorrow nine thirty a m.

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