Cowboys Break: Who's The Pick?

twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, episode number six. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Got Nick Dave in Amber with me today. We're gonna get you guys ready for the Draft. It starts tomorrow, full three days of draft coverage that will have on all of our platforms, Dallas Cowboys dot Com, Cowboys Mobile. This is a great opportunity.

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three days of the year. Yeah. No, Like I mean I'm speaking only for myself, like yeah for him, for him, not for us. People are always like like really like I enjoy the draft more than like any game, more than trading games. Absolutely, yeah, games are stressful. Draft is fun just yeah, yeah, studying all hundreds of face but just because the game, like what does it mean? It

means you lost, or it means you won. Drafting Laton Vanderesh in the first round doesn't mean anything for the next two or three years, So it's hard to It's fun to say all right, all this work and just say like I got it, but like I still don't know what it means, and I just I think it's funny how people are gonna be like pissed off, like I hate this draft, like you don't know anything what's happened yet. But that's what I just think, it's just incomplete.

But but see, I think that's probably why I think it's so much fun, is it's just it's just a big information gathering session and that's the most rewarding part about it for me really. I mean, it's fun talking about what the Cowboys are gonna do and we have an idea of who they're gonna pick, and we get to see how it works out. But like, if you

do this for enough time, you just know the league. Yeah, Like you're just like I got a baseline of information about damn near every football player in the NFL because I studied them during the draft. And it's a ton of fun to just be like, that's that guy, that's the dude that I loved in the third round that the Bengals snatched. Good for them, you know that type

of thing. It's just fun. It's actually one of the reasons I wish I have more time to really devote to learning the draft, because you're right, you get a you get an understanding of the entire league, every player in the entire league, even the random guy that's playing guard. In Jacksonville. You kind of got an idea about him because you you watched him during the tree always joke about how like you know, two people just blow nick up. Every time there's a flea flicker, like every time, like

the good and the bad. Like every time Deebo Samuel does something, people are like you, you were right about him. You loved him so much, you loved debo, you would have drafted him in the first round. And then to this day, every time Lakwan Treadwell does anything, which is not often, they're like, you wanted to draft him in the top five, you big dumb idiot. And I'm like, I sure did. Yeah, that's true. You're gonna be right, you're gonna be wrong. It's fun. I love it. All right.

Let's talk about the pre draft press So that happened yesterday. Yeah, Jerry and Steven and UH and coach McCarthy up there and they were answering lots of questions and we covered it. But there are some different things that came out of it I wanted to talk about. Let's start first with a quote that Stephen made. He was talking about about the drafts particularly, and he said that the draft this year, the depth is really found in the thirteen rounds three

through five, he says. He went on to say that he expects it they'll have roughly fourteen to sixteen first round grades, which again just for those that don't know, typically teams don't have a full thirty two players who are first round who have first round grades on them, and just because it's their draft in the first round doesn't mean they have a first round grade. But he did say fourteen to sixteen, it's a little less than

what they would typically have. That being said Dave nick Amber, from what you guys have seen of draft prospects, you agree with that assessment that really the depth of this thing is really in those middle rounds. That's a nice way to say it's an average draft. I mean, you know, it's just there's not a lot of great players, but there's some good players. That's where you're gonna take these guys.

It also is a good way to say that there's they're probably all over the board officially, there's a team that has twenty five first round either grades. I mean, it's just different. It's just the way they evaluate them differently. Yeah, Well, my number one reaction is like they're always going to frame it in a way that sounds good for them, because I immediately thought he's like, yeah, rounds three to five, and I'm like, oh, you mean the rounds. You have

six picks in those rounds, right, cool. So of course you think it stacks up well for you because that's where what you have to work with. But the consensus on this draft is, yes, it is lacking in sexy star power in the first twenty picks. Like you know, you think about recent drafts twenty sixteen, obviously, even twenty seventeen where there's just all like you go down the top twenty and you're like, oh my god, like he's an all pro. He's an all pro. I think the

consensus is like, it's short on that. But then really starting around where the Cowboys pick, like, I don't think there's a huge difference between pick twenty and pick sixty. No, that's what it's like. And Stephen said that too, which I thought was interesting, is they have more good second round grades than ever before, like or more than usual,

we'll put it that way. So they might have as many as like two dozen guys where it's like not quite a first rounder, but we feel good about him in the second round, which is exciting when you think about the third round and even the fourth round. Like some of those guys tend to hang around. So I do think that's right, but it's also convenient for them that they feel that way. Yeah, I wasn't. I was

gonna say I was. I didn't necessarily like hearing that comment, which, if he's being honest about you know, Okay, these are fifteen first round grades that we have in our list right now. But then when you hear comments, I like, Okay, we don't have any musks. We don't our hands are not tied to picking a specific position in this draft. So then IM we'll get to that. And yeah, I'm

sure we will. But just kind of looking into all that and putting it all together, I'm like, Okay, first of all, I do think you kind of do based on your necessities. But then hearing that you have around fifteen guys, I'm thinking, okay, that limits you even more. You know, you already have a certain limitation based on your needs. Now you're talking about there's only a certain group of fifteen guys. Yes, you can possibly trade up and all that, and we'll see what actually happens tomorrow.

But it's just like another aspect that wasn't like, oh, that's great to hear. I would like to hear, you know, maybe a bigger quantity of guys, which doesn't usually happen anyways. But the quarterbacks, there's no quarterbacks that are that are anybody really want to go get And you know, I mean, there might be some in the first round, but I bet you not a team in the league has a

first round grade on a quarterback. Well then that's not to say they won't get drafted in the first round, but I bet you nobody has a first round and that's that's pushing people down. You know, if I've ever seen that in NFL drafting, I remember that like the year where there were no well I didn't want the year I got here. Twenty thirteen is famous for how bad the quarterback class was. I think A. J. Manuel was the first one taken, and he all the way

down at like sixteen. Yeah, y, I'll pull it up. Yeah, and then yeah, it happens every now and a year to be twenty four when you hope that there's four or five quarterbacks and you hope that there's teams that want to trade up to get that quarterback and you don't need a quarterback, you don't need perfect yeah, which that's we do this all every year. We're like, you need those quarterbacks to go because that's gonna push players

down to you. And you never know what might happen because teams do stupid stuff with quarterbacks all the time. But like, I think you can't count on more than one quarterback getting drafted before the Cowboys pick. It might happen, but I don't think you can count on it. You know. One of the things that when he said that, that jumped out to me and Nick, you and I are talking about this a little bit yesterday, and I think

you have a little different spin on it. But it made me wonder because there are only fourteen sixteen first round grades for them, and because the real meat of this draft, as he was saying, really can't in round

three to five. It makes me wonder if they would consider packaging those first and second round picks to move up in the first round to get a better player, one of those players that they think really is has a first round grade and for go maybe one of those second round guys, because again, as you said, Dave, some of those second round guys that they have second round grades on will likely drop to the third. Maybe

they're in the fourth. You might still be able to get them later, but you can get a better top player. What do you guys think, did you take anything from what he said about maybe what their strategy could be? Well, can we have the conversation about him saying that there are no musts? Yeah, I think that. I think that ties into it because I think that's one of the most blatant lies I've ever heard at a pre draft press conference. Like I was joking with Nick after it

was over. If I walked into the war room and was like, Okay, y'all don't have any musts, so we're just not gonna pick this year like you're from, Like they would freak out and be like, absolutely not, Like we need players, We got stuff we gotta do. And so the reason I say that is, how can you afford to package good picks again in a draft where you think there's gonna be quality in rounds two and three?

How can you afford to package that to address one position when there's probably four that you gotta do something about in this draft? Well, it was my second round pick. Well, okay, I mean I'm sorry. I think I lost one last year. I mean that's what I think right now. I think I've lost my second round. You at least have to you can't. I mean, you have to assume that that's a possibility. So I can't. I can't waste another pick.

And I get it that, you know, but but to move up for a number of like sixteen seventeen, I mean that's still kind of a crapshoot as well, Like I can't do that. But I'm gonna say this about the must. Are we one hundred percent sure that he wasn't referring to first round must. I mean, they've got to get a guard, they've got to get a receiver

at some point. Was he saying that there's no must for us, like right, that would make a lot more sense to me, Like that would be he didn't say, but that would be to me, that would be like, oh, okay, I get that, but but yeah, no, I mean positions that they still have exposed. That's why it all seemed a little weird too. I'm reading the transcript. He said this is verbatim. I wouldn't say we have any must's left in terms of having to take a particular position

at some point. The phrase at some point implies anywhere in the draft, anywhere you just can't not have an offensively you have to draft two offensive linemen. Well, if you had told Stephen Wright and now you're like, hey, I've been to the future, the drafts over and you didn't get an offensive lineman, his face would turn white.

He'd be like, are you serious? Like, unless unless there are free and we talked about this last week on our show, unless there are free agents that are still out there that they're like, we could go sign that guy tomorrow if we choose to, and he can he can play the role that we need him to play

for this exactly. So, So if that's the way they're looking at it, and they're saying, hey, we think we got some vets out there that we can go get tomorrow if we need to, that may be the wonderful vote of confidence that you've left them sitting out there unsigned for six weeks all the offseason program has started on and the rest of the league is also, Yeah, what a wonderful I'm not saying I'm not saying that that's actually what it is what I'm saying is that

would be the only way that that that statement makes a lot of case to me, as if they already know we got to back a plan. And this goes back to what I've said for years, and I absolutely hate this press conference because we're over here talking about it, and in reality is if Steven would have said, yeah, we have some must I think you guys know what they are. There's a couple of positions that we have to take, probably in the first round. Yeah, never say so.

Then when Kenyon Green and Zion Johnson sitting there at twenty two and twenty three and some team in the back is like, we want this guard. I mean the Cowboys. We know they're gonna take a guard. We better jumped them. So that's what this whole I mean. Yeah, which I get it. I'm not I'm not I'm not offended. I'm not offended at being lied to. But I've still got to call into all those specifics. You can just say, yeah, we have some must like every other team every year, Yeah,

there are positions. God bless Yeah. You have to have seen the YouTube video of Brian right Brian Broh when Brian ran the Eagles draft, like he did one of those pressers and like they cut they they asked him that type of question. He was like, you guys know what we need the fans know what we need to like it's not a secret, which is in that quintessential. He would always do that on the show too. You watch that, you you see you know? Yeah, yeah, you know.

So let me ask you this question. And I'm not saying this is what it is, but I do have to ask the question. Do you think that maybe in their minds they are looking at McGovern maybe Farniac, I don't know, are they looking at guys that are currently on their roster and giving them more credit than we give them because they've seen them last year. They have a different opinion maybe than we do of them. Of course,

of course they are. I mean they do. I mean, especially at the center, you know, like they have a different opinion of be honest than I do. They have a different opinion opinion of UM and I think they have a different opinion of what that position is because like, yeah, they had a had a much better thought. I mean, you got ball sitting out there. We don't know what he is. I have no idea what he is they may look at him and say, he's our swing tackle.

We think he can be our swingtack. Who knows. I'm just saying that has to be factored in here as far as how they look at it, because they're ultimately the ones that are answering those questions and they may have a different opinion to those guys. Yeah, or which maybe or also behind closed doors, they're like, somewhere between pick twenty four and one twenty nine, we're gonna get somebody to come in here and compete for this. Yeah, and they're not going to say that to us, right,

It's fine. Do you think that maybe they are looking at the old and again, they're not dumb. They they've been in this business for years and years and they've gotten the success that they've got in the past and all that, so they have the experience and their knowledge. But do you think that maybe they're looking at the old line differently than how we are looking at them based on the soul reason that last year their offense was still able to perform at a certain level with

the guys that they had at the time. I mean right now they lost, Uh, yeah, they don't have oh my god. Aside from Connor Williams le Collins either. But I don't know, I don't know how I'm trying to phrase this question. But do they see it just differently given the fact that they produced so much last year versus how we see them that it's like, Okay, your passing game obviously needs it, your running game obviously needs it, and we see it at a much higher level of

priority at this time. There's sorry, go ahead. There's just no way that they could think that unless they're delusional, because a like, the reason the second half of the season was nowhere near as good as the first is because their running game completely fell off a cliff because they couldn't block anybody, and then and because Zeke was hurt but whatever, and then the last impression we have of this team is a better offensive line that had

Lyell and Connor Williams, who you can't tell me McGovern's better than because they tried to bench him and put him back. So stop better offensive line with two better players. Our last impression is of them getting mauled by the type of team you have to beat in the playoffs, like absolutely destroyed. Dak was sacked five times. They couldn't run the ball. What else do you need to say? Like, if that's how they feel, they are in some serious

denials differently. And that's the part that that you're trying to figure out is are they just lying just because is it a lie and they know it's alive because they have to do that before the draft, slim char or or or is it the situation where they really believe that? And then you're trying to figure out why would they believe that? And that's where you're kind of left pulling straws, like what what do you think could possibly be here? No, I've I've referenced this ten times

in the last few days. I'll do it again. I mean, they told us that running backs is not not valued very high in twenty sixteen. You can't take running backs this high. And then they three days later, So this strategy, I mean, coit is like a nice way to say it, but yeah, they lie. They lie three or four times in that Jerry said that in the past, I'm pretty sure to the media like if my mouth is moving around, jaff time, I might be lying. It's part of the game,

part of Jerry. Actually he did. There was an element of truth in some of the stuff he said where he was like, we chum the water at this time of year, that's what we do. We're stern, I almost said a bad word. We're string stuff up. So it's part of it. Yeah, every every team in the league is doing and that's these last like this last week is really it's frustrating as somebody who starts talking draft in like December, this week is frustrating because this is

when everybody's doing that. Like everybody's chumming the water. Everybody's trying to accomplish this, that and the other, and there's more media attention than ever. So you almost just need to tune this week out and be like, all right, let's just get to Thursday and just see what actually happens, right, Yeah, all right, we're gonna take our first break when we come back. We got some status updates. They did talk

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if you're having an opportunity, you're gonna do that. I'll hold it, I'll hold we'll talk. Well, you can do it twice. I mean, I mean this read will take an hour, So go ahead. Talk about the star. Yeah, he loves just nice little ribs shot to somebody whoever wrote that. There's a lot going on. That's why it's a long read. Yeah, I'm not gonna say all that's going on. I'm just gonna say, if you're gonna be

in the area, go check out the draft party. It's gonna be happening out here at the start of Mar. It's gonna be a really cool event. Should be a lot of fun. You might even see some some local celebrities. I mean, just like you know people that work on our staff. There's about twenty players too that they're gonna sign some autographs. So and after COVID like his first time, you're gonna have that kind of real opportunity and get up and close and personal with players. So get a

chance go check it out. Whether it should be good, it's gonna be out on it should be nice. All right, let's get back to it. Let's get some status updates. They talked about about both Michael Gallup and Kelvin Joseph. Let's start with with Michael. Where's Michael right now in his rehab still rehabbing, Like, I mean he's not ready to play football and he's not supposed to be. Yeah, Um, they're Mike. Mike McCarthy's specific words were like, when we

get to training camp, will have a clearer idea. I mean, he's not gonna This is conjecture for me, but just reading context clues. And I walked past Michael in the training table the other day, I was like, you're not gonna be like part of OTAs or anything. That's not gonna happen. Um, But like the rehabs going well, and they've been saying this whole time, like maybe he'll be ready at some point in training camp, maybe to extend into the season. I don't I don't know if they

actually know right now. Yeah, so I don't think they're expecting him, but expect him for the beginning of the season. He's he's he's on pace with what they projected for him for the time being. Yep, I would imagine. I still don't think he'll be ready for the start of the season, and I think he'll end up on pup actually, which is he'll be out six weeks. He could be out six weeks. I mean that's what I think. That's

the worst case scenario. Yeah, and so, but you know, I think we'll get a better idea, too, of of what that situation looks like based off of the draft. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. You guys might disagree. I mean, just just taking a receiver in the first round doesn't necessarily mean that they don't feel comfortable with with with what Gallops rehab is, because I mean this is a five year commitment. Yeah. Oh no, I don't think that

has anything to do with it. They need a receiver because look like, look a look at the makeup of their core and like in the short and long term, like, yes, Michael might miss some games, but also Noah Brown's on a one year deal. James Washington's on a one year deal. Somehow CD is already inching into the back half of his deal, so they just you just gotta keep replenishing

that thing. Yeah, and I think that, you know, I think a second or third round receiver could still come in and help this team it better because you're asking right now, you're asking Noah Brown, Semi Fihoko, and James Washington to help this team. So a second or third round receiver should help. And I think that they can. I don't know if a second or third round guard immediately comes in as better. I don't know that. Yeah,

I mean, you look at it. This league is littered with second and third round wide receivers who are extremely productive so fast. Yeah, yeah, they're opportunities. You can find guys. You can find guys a wide receiver in the second and third rounds that can contribute to your team. I like, I think about twenty eighteen was so perfect for them, Like they found Mike get eighty one. I'm dubious that. I'm dubious that a receiver as good as Michael Gallup was.

I'm not talking about who he is now, but even what he was like Michael was. They didn't have a lot of receivers in twenty eighteen either, but he was a rookie starter as a third round pick, which even when they're even when it's a thin receiver corps, that's still pretty impressive. I don't know if there's a guy. I don't know if there's a guy that good at eighty eighth this year, Like, but you think they they because you got you gotta also factor in the situation

they're coming into. They're not being asked to be the top guy. Yeah, they're asking to be a complimentary guy. That's a good point. I mean, if if you don't, if you don't need him to be the dude from the get and you do have CD and you'll have Michael at a certain point, but I don't I start to get nervous about the depth of the receiver class after the second round. Me personally, here's here's my prediction on Friday Night. I don't think they take a receiver

in the first round. I think they take a receiver in the second or third round. And I think he is a slot guy and definitely a punt returner. And my prediction is Steven Jones is gonna tell us or Will McClay who's up up there. We feel like this guy could come right in and return punts, which is something CDE won't do. I would imagine which Cedric Wills. You don't have a punt returner really on the roster. So I think that the cell is what can they do?

We think he can come right in be a slot guy for us, helping our punt return We're just so excited to have him. That's my prediction. They're going to get that receiver in the second or third round Friday Night. Don't know his name. Wandelle Robinson, Kentucky. Wandell Robinson, Kentucky, UM something somebody like that. Five nine. I think the

names I have in my brain are later. But yeah, I mean, I think you're absolutely right about that, just in terms of like the type of role can they Can they really afford to get a guy that's more just kind of a slot guy, because they may need more of him if if let's say, for example, yeah, you know gallops out for that six weeks, Let's let's assume that that happens, like gonna need more from that guy than just I can play the slot, right, I

do yeah, go ahead. I mean sure, I mean you're gonna need more than that, but I'm just saying the quick twitch guy like that, I could see them getting. And I would imagine at some point on the Scott and Report someone said Tyreek Kills a slot guy. I think, you know, because he's shorter and he found out he's much right. So if you can run like the win, I mean I think that they'll they'll have you in there. But that's the type of guy I could I could

see them getting in the second or third round. Johan Dotson, He's he's a first round fringe. That's I mean. That's the fun thing about this is like there's about twelve names that I'm positive will go in the first round, and then everything after that. You're like, oh, maybe that is amazing. Maybe it depends on how much gonna be a crazy draft. Yeah, I will say. I'll just say

this and Nick hasn't told me anything. It's funny because like we cover the draft all year, but Nick knows just too to ask, and like Nick will pop up like a week before the draft and be like, you know, maybe they'll do this, and I'm like, who told you that?

Robinson's name at all. Okay, you know why I know one Delle Robinson's name is I'm really good friends with a former cowboy named James Whalen who played at Kentucky, and James had his record of most catches at Kentucky broken by one Delle Robinson, who and you know I've seen him in the SEC catches everything. Um, he's just played one of those eight year seniors you know when when Nick because Nick, like Nick is preoccupied and not

really focusing on the draft most of the year. So like when Nick drops drops a draft tidbit, I'm like, okay, I'm listening. Because you didn't pull this out of thin air. You know, we could probably see it now. It was a long time at a scout in our scouting department used to give you an envelope, right, It happened a couple of times. It's one I mean, if we if you have time for the story, yeah, I think this is this is a crazy story because of all the

things that happened. But but yeah, a guy came up, he's head of scouting or one of the top you know longer. He came up gave me an envelope. I mean, this thing was sealed, taped up, and he was just like, don't open this until the day of the draft. And he came up three, three or four times in that two weeks to make sure I hadn't opened it, and I kind of forgot about it. So it's two thousand and four. We had the twenty third pick, twenty second pick,

something like them, and then they trade. So we're getting them ready to pick two thusand four. We're gonna get a running back, gonna get Stephen Jackson, gonna get Kevin Jones, gonna get one of these backs. They trade out of it, and I mean, that just sucks when you're like, you don't pick today because they traded for next year's one. So now we don't have a pick. I didn't even I forgot all about the envelope the next day. This

is a Parcels draft. They're sitting there with like the forty third pick and they're about to take some of these other guys. But Tatum Bell said that the Cowboys said they would draft Tatum Bell. They told him that Parcels says we're taking there. Yeah, they don't take him. They take Julius Jones and Stead they take Julius Jones. Oh cool. Later that night I opened it up and sleep that little piece of paper it said Julius Jones.

That was written two weeks before. And Julius, they know what they're doing, what they were the Julius was never going to be a first pick. They were gonna take Stephen Jackson. They were afraid of his knee, which is you know, but that tells you whether they really were planning on Stephen Jackson or not. Yeah, it was. It was the most amazing thing because there's so many things that had to fall just right, and it did. I mean,

it might have been lucky. He did it again too, same guy picked him the third round tackle James Martin, which is one of the biggest busts in the history of the Cowboys. So so not too proud of that one. But but but they also but they pigged it. They had it. I think the craziest thing about the draft process. And I remember being a draft fan as a young kid and like, and you get worked up about the

guy I wanted. Uh, the year the Saints drafted Reggie Bush, I wanted a J Hawk, Like I was obsessed with a J Hawk. And but as a fan, you have this list of like nine thousand names the team's got, you know, if there's if there's six hundred draft eligible players, they've got one hundred and twenty draftable grades. And then literally it might be as small as like two dozen names where they're like, these are the guys we're gonna yeah, and like sometimes you have to pivot from that, Like

they were not going to draft Michael last year. I don't care what they say they but they had to pivot. But going into going into a draft night, the list of guys that they're actually considering, it's so much smaller than I think most fans realize. Yeah, I was told that.

You know, they do like these mock drafts with all these scenarios that the scouts, they do like twenty of them, yep, Like and three years ago they did twenty and Tony Pollard was picked in the third or fourth round every single time, Like every time Tony Pollard was there, so they were like, we're taking Tony poll We're gonna take him, and the same happen because they know they won him. You know, anybody's done every anybody has ever done a

fantasy draft. You kind of know, you get your guys that you just kind of want, and so you end up with them, and you could probably run the scenario hundreds of times and you're gonna get those guys you really want in most instance, because you probably draft him ahead of maybe a little bit ahead of where you should, because you know you want. I just bought the Yahoo rankings. Take whatever they give you. But that's a great like, that's a fantastic way to think of it, though, because

like I draft night rolls around. We've all got our trackers pulled up, and it's like, Okay, these are the ten best guys left according to Yahoo, or this is the top of Dane Brugler's top three hundred. These are the guys that are left. Meanwhile, the cowboys are obsessed with Nashan Wright, who's down here, and they're like, yeah, like we were gonna we were taking him somewhere on Friday, no matter what, and like there's nothing. Nobody's opinion matters,

nobody's research matter. Like this guy, Yeah, that's all that matters. Like this guy, all right, tell me about Kelvin Joseph. What do we know at this point? What are they talking about Kevin Joseph? What's that look? Well, Jerry said, I only if I find out my information from what you guys, right, that's another that's good that goes in the group of five. I don't I don't know if I believe that, but um, but I mean, I think what he's saying is there's just there's no news on

it right now. And and also you know, the league will the league and the authorities will you know, they're still investigating this. And it's not like, let's let's also be honest. It's not like I would assume I'm gonna make an assumption. I don't think the police department is calling Jerry and saying, hey, we got some information on your guy. Here's kind of what we're thinking, like, is he's not the person that they're gonna call it give this information anyway, So he's having to learn a lot

of this stuff. They probably have people who can make connections and try to find out things, but at the end of the day, you know, they only get the police are only going to talk about what they want to talk about to who they want to talk about it. Yeah, typically it's it's just it's so weird because the situation is pretty normal by NFL standards of just like you're kind of in limbo and you don't know what's gonna happen. It's just it is such a more serious offense, you know.

Usually it's like, oh, like you know, ze Zeke was seen in a cell phone video doing something inappropriate on St. Patrick's Day, Like that is it's bad. It's a bad look, but it's a lot less serious than somebody dying, which

so it's just it's weird. It's it's very weird. I don't know what's going to happen, but the fact that really nothing has happened and it's been two weeks is a lot of cases of like criminal stuff, murder stuff, all kinds of things, and sometimes it takes a lot longer, you know, and then when you least expected, here's the police knocking at your door, and then the rest is being made. So I'm just saying that's how it's like, I don't know what's going to happen, but sometimes are

you worried about that happening? No? What I'm just saying like that that would be my worst nightmare that the cops just show up at my house like, yeah, we got a warm for your arrest, Like, oh my gosh, you know everything about that, just you knowing. I can't wait for the break because yeah, like what, I gotta be honest, I don't think it. Oh oh that's true, you are I get a lot of ticket. You make me look like a great lot of ticket, and I

drive like a jerk. It um. But I mean they arrests were already made, like they you know, Kelvin talked to the police and some arrests were made. Yeah, that's the part. But that's also the part that makes me think of all things being of all these things that are going on, I would think he probably has a little bit of solace in the fact that he talked to the police and then they made arrest and he wasn't one of those arrests, Right, That's gotta make him

at least feel like, Okay, maybe I'm good here. Who knows. But that that that two weeks later and he hasn't been arrested and other people have been, I would say that that's probably as good a sign as he could possibly have. Right now. Yeah, I agree with you, But I don't know. I feel out of my depth, Like

I didn't go to law school. I don't know any of this stuff, talking about all this because it's like you guys keep saying it is there's something way tragic, you know that happened, and there's a family grieving and all that. Somebody's gonna have to be accountable, right, And you know we said the one thing when it comes to football is that we've said this a lot of times, is the kid Joseph needs to mature. He needs to grow up. He needs to realize that this is a

this is a business, this is his life. He's to be focused on that and that we said that six months ago, and it doesn't seem like it's happened because of that that night. It doesn't seem like he's doing that. But I mean, if he's going to get a chance to keep playing football, that's still going to be in the cards, then I mean, I can't imagine a bigger wake up call for him then to say hey, I've got I mean, I've got to be as focused as I can be. And I hate even saying that that's

a silver lining. I hate saying that because it's not

going to go. But I think it's fair to say it can be a wake up call because I think all of us in our lives probably have moments, pivotal moments where things happened and you're you look at them and you're like, wow, I really got to make some changes in my life, right, And so if it's that for him, I know it's tragic, and I'm not taking away from the tragic nature of it, but if that's what it takes, you know that if this is what gets him to kind of look at life differently, then

that's good for him. It's not good situation, but it's a good thing and positive thing for him if it makes him go in a different direction. His connection to the situation as the Cowboys, that would scare me, that's what that's what worries me. Yeah, okay, I don't where you were in the car and all that stuff being there being associated that, to me, that's a that's a problem. That's something that has to be fixed. And I think that's regardless of any decisions being made yet, whether that's

by the league, the police, or the Cowboys. Sure be out here in the offseason voluntary programs all you want and all that, but as of right now and looking into what's ahead, I wouldn't be making my plans with him like counting on him. Basically, I wouldn't be counting

on a guy like him right now. So my plans would be as if he wasn't part of the team until further notice and whatever else happens as a conclusion, you know, And I don't know if this will happen, but like, let's say that a team was wanting some cornerback, a veteran cornerback, and they're in the fourth round and they say, we'll give you a fourth round pick for Anthony Brown or Jordan Lewis. Wouldn't do that today, No,

wouldn't do it today. No. That's where I think the big difference is is that I don't know if you necessarily have to go draft the corner now, but you're not gonna mess with your depth because also you just don't know what the league's gonna do here. Like he doesn't have to get arrested for the league to come in and say you're out for six games. Like there, that's a real possibility just because you look at what

the league's done historically. They don't need proof necessarily. They certainly don't need anything legal wise, So yeah, that's still a problem. It'll be interesting too to see if that does happen, what kind of suspension Is it a suspension of games or is it a suspension of being away from football? Because one thing we've seen is that some this is one of those situations I think where structure is what's needed. Yeah, you suspend him for six games go,

you're not allowed to be in the building. Was that good or bad? Yeah? You know, because that's kind of where we are here in this So it'll be interesting to see what happens. I just can't imagine him not being suspended. I think, if I'm being honest, I think you should be. I think he I mean at least suspended. I mean, this is a very serious thing for him.

And so the one thing I would point out though, is we saw a similar situation for those that remember it with Ray Lewis, where he was there when someone ended up dead and and he was he was charged at one point, and I remember seeing an interview where he was talking about how he had to take a real inventory of his life after that situation and like who is he around, what does he allow himself to

be associated with? And so I do think there is a there is a model here for Kelvin Joseph of Okay, if he really didn't have anything to do with this and Jess was in that situation because people around him were doing things, then maybe there's an opportunity here for him to say, I can do the same thing from the standpoint of taking inventory of my life and making

some positive changes. And I remember at the time there were a lot of people that were saying, man, the Ravens need to cut this guy, like I get real this guy. They didn't, and he ended up having obviously

a really great career. But I think that's the part where I put it back on Kelvin Joseph, can he be self aware enough to understand that this situation didn't he didn't have to be there and really think about in the future like where am I and who am I with in order to make really good decisions so you ultimately don't end up in these kind of situations. Well, so you can't force anyone to like something or to

do something. And I'm referencing like, yes, this is a game that it's a business, a lot of money involved, but at the same time it is very much a game of passion and you have to want to do it and be out there and do the kind of work that it takes. So with him, and we talked about it in previous shows. I think it was the last show about the questions surrounding him prior to being

drafted and everything that happened in his college career. It's one of those things that it takes you back to that like easy Easy really wanting to even play football at all. And that's not something I can answer for him.

He has to answer for himself. But you as a organization and looking at the business side of it, you do have to now take a deeper look into that whole aspect of mental and the not passion but like the teammate thing that surrounds him and see if it's regardless of him being innocent or not, is this really going to be a good fit for our future here? Yeah?

You know, somebody told me this week ago about him, and they said, I can't I feel bad even saying this, but but when it comes to football, Kelvin Joseph actually impressed the team last year with his ability to play special teams his willingness to do it. I was told he was even graded as the best special teams player

on the team last year. Better than Goodwin, better than Goodwin. Wow, he flashed that's impression in in just because going in my opinion, maybe the best special team players I've ever watched. One's awesome. But as far as the assignment goes, and just you know, you know, you know they're grade you know, like in basketball, you always get this plus mind that stuff.

They have all kinds of grades for stuff. But apparently he was graded as high as any other player and so which is not something you expect a second round corner. He probably didn't do it a lot of LSU or Kentucky to go out there and do that. So there are some things that we don't necessarily see that they're given. You know, the Cowboys some some problems there as a player, but he's got a you know, he's like she said, he's got to want to get there. He's got to

get there. And if if this is that fork in the road that helps, then that's you know, that's great for him as a football player. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take our final break. We come back. We're gonna nail these guys down on some stuff. They expect to see this over these next three days at the draft. Who they expect the Cowboys to take who maybe some of their pet cats are, what their draft strategies would look like if they were the ones making the call.

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Mortgage Studios. At the start, let's get you guys nailed down. I want some predictions on what's going to happen for this draft. Let's start first big picture. I want to go around the table if each of you kind of define what your strategy would be for the Cowboys if you were making decision going into the draft. You don't have to necessarily say a player, but just kind of overall,

how are you looking at the draft? What are the things you really got to address, and what do you think is most important for the Cowboys to come away with. Once you get to Saturday night and you're done with this whole thing, let's start first with you him. You're done with this thing, done with this thing. Listen, I don't over analyze this thing because I think it's very complicated the draft. Do you have so many moving pieces

that you don't know what's really going to happen. But I'm looking and this is no news to anybody but old line specifically a guard. I'm looking at wide receiver, of course we've talked about that, looking at linebacker, someone to help in there because we don't have any bodies there either. And other than that, after those three positions, I'm like, how about it. You can bring me a pass rusher that can help create some more pressure there. You can bring me a tight end if you want.

You can bring me another corner maybe, so I'm bring whatever you want, but as long as you address those three main needs, I'll be happy, all right, Dave? Okay, And it's so funny because the the way we talk about this goes contrary to the way that everybody says you're supposed to draft, which is like just best player, best player. Just don't don't window dress your board, don't do anything stupid just because you need something. But they've got to come out of this draft with a few

things in certain areas. So I'm gonna kind of cheat and say, a week from today, this team needs to have two offensive linemen that are capable of starting that are not here right that are not here right now. If that means you call Eric Flowers and Sam Tevy on Monday and say we need you here, so be it. Preferably you would do it in the draft. But I think they need They need a guard and a tackle who are capable of starting in the NFL. A week from today, they need a receiver. Um. Those are the

three things they need those they need those three things. Um. And then yeah, I would like to see him beef up the pass rush. I would like to see him ad depth at linebacker. I think it would be smart to draft a kicker. Jesus please, uh and maybe address Yeah, no, it'd be a great pick. Hey Jesus, get down here, please kick some field. But to make points, um, make them future of the running back position. I would I

would like to throw a pick at that. Oh my god, goin, Uh yeah, throw throw a pick at the running back position. But really, two starter caliber offensive lineman and a receiver. I don't care how you get them, but those that's what you need. And then to Amber's point, just go for it. Throw the other throw the other picks at guys you like, let's see what happens all right this one or need you're you're didn't ask me, I didn't. You're the guy. What's your strategy? What are you going

into the weekend thing? And I gotta do what I need to do. I gotta trade down, um and hope that there's some lineman there. I want to trade down. I want to pick up a second round pick. I want to use that next year is one and go get a receiver from forty nine ers. That's why, let's go. Then I want to come out. And then then I got a I still got a first round pick who was a lineman, maybe one from A and m who's who's falling a little bit because for whatever the reason,

I'll take him. And then I got my guy from the forty nine ers, which then I gotta pay more than I than I was gonna pay. MRI and more than you're gonna pay a CD. But you call San Francisco, not Seattle. What did I say, Seattle? No, I'm saying you could call both. Yeah, I could call both. I'm just asked. I mean stam Tennessee's guy. Also, Yeah, sure could call Nashville. Two lots of teams you can call. I don't know they're gonna pick up the phone, but

you can call whoever you want to call. And I think the cowboys are gonna pick up the phone now. I think I think, okay, you know what, I think i'd call Seattle. I just think you could maybe do that for cheaper than I think. Maybe if we want to just you know, bring it up for one more time. I mean, I probably go get her old Thomas want to mention it again. I'm kidding. I'm kidding on that, and I'm sorry, and I'm sort of kidding on all of that. I gotta get a lineman, um, I like that.

I like, you gotta get two linemen that could play. I need a lineman that can buy Monday. I thought that was the key. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lineman that that I can I'll draft a lineman that can plug in and play and I'm telling you, sneaky need for me is still a linebacker. Linebacker to me, I'm because because because your offensive lineman makes who better Dack, You're linebacker, I think makes Mike a better agree and so especially

if he's really good. I'm talking about that's the difference between getting one in the first maybe second round versus getting one in the fifth round. Right well, I mean, yeah, yeah, right, he's got to be a guy that can come in and play I mean I'm not and be the man at linebacker. I guess that's what I'm saying is he can be the man if Michael, if you want him, put Michael on the defensive line. Mean yeah, Kobe, Dean, Devin Lloyd, let's go, let's go my whole life as

I mean, oh, go ahead. I want anything that starts out my whole life. I don't know, I know, right, I was just about to admit how painfully white I am, which is I grew up in New Orleans. But my whole life. I thought that was just a football celebration. Throwing up the hooks oh l l s U. D. Linman used to do it, and I was like, yeah, that's badass, Like let's yeah, he got a sack. I had no idea. My favorite basketball player of all times Williams.

I named my female dog after a choralist Williamson, and I thought that's that was just his thing. I didn't know what it meant. Also found out yeah, um yeah yeah. And then don't do it around Derek because he will hit you. He's done that. Yeah, I need to that. No, we don't. Um anyways, can I ask of what what were the thoughts yesterday when we just completely threw a taco under the bus. That was hilarious. And then too No, he had a good comeback. Yeah, he had a good comeback.

To be honest with you, Like, I thought that was funny. It was very funny. Some people know that. Jerry mentioned during the press converence. He said they were asking about who makes the final call. He said, well, you know I used to make the final call, but with Tacco that was Stephen just kind of basically just threw it out there like and he made Tacco. Yeah, it was funny, but also like I thought it was, I was like, really, man, like that's your fault. You're gonna throw him under the butt.

Like y'all left that up, that's you're bad, because half everybody and their mother was like what wa So like it's not like this isn't one of those things where it's like what are you gonna do? Sometimes it doesn't work out. A million people thought it was a bad idea, and you did it anyway, and then you throw his like you say his name like taco sucked. It's like that's your bad, that's not his bad. And so I kind of I enjoyed his clap back. I figured realized

that parents do that a lot. I haven't done it with my own child yet, but I see it happen all the time, where parents just put the blame on their own kid. I'm like, oh, that will say it what way? Like just anything for example? For example, I mean it could be anything. I'm not gonna get into specific,

but just an example. I remember Thanksgiving we would always go to my stepdad's house and his family they're all Americans, you know, and he would be eating all the food, certain type of food, and at that time I didn't speak English that well, but I understood it, and he would put the blame on me when his sister would be asking, who wait, all the blah blah blah. He'll be like, oh, Amber, Amber, Amber, like I said, and I'm over here without being able to defend myself, you know,

because I didn't speak English. But anyway, the point is I see it a lot now that I'm a parent that you blame your child. It were expressing if something smells badly, yea, DJ stop it excuse me. It was. It was a tongue in cheek comment. Like I it was just Jerry was having fun. But I was like, man, that's more on y'all than it is on Taco, and Taco's come back on Twitter was just like the crying me. I was like, that's pretty good, fun, pretty good. Don't

need their conversations. That's that they're already left. Dude, Just go man, just stay. That's gonna linger, clearly, I mean it already is. But yeah, at least for the next year, two years at least, it's gonna be a still be a topic. Yeah, all right, um, all right, So let's talk about the first round. Come closest in the show. Tell me what what you expect to happen in the first round, what you want to happen in the first round.

This is what I meant when I said I hate this week because like the narrative is formed and then we get to this week and and it all gets thrown into chaos. And just as an example of what I mean, like if you've been following along with us on the Draft Show, or if you've been following the draft like we, you know, we put the jigsaw puzzle together pretty well every year. We've got an idea, Kenyan Greene, Zion Johnson. They really like some of the receivers, Traylon

Burke's Drake London. But then Peter King, Guys like Peter King and Albert Brier jump just cannonball into the pool on Monday of Draft week and they're like Tyler Linderbaum, Nakobe Dean, which are not name. I mean, we know these names, but we haven't really been tying them to

the cowboys like those they didn't visit. They're not They're not these guys that are highlighted and people like Peter King and Albert Brier don't throw that stuff out there willy nilly, like these are the type of guys that can call up the right person and have a real conversation. And so I'm just looking at it and I'm like, where's this coming from? So now you're second guessing everything To answer it more succinctly, I think they have a

preference for an offensive lineman or a receiver. I think they're gonna get wiped out of their receiver options, Like I don't yeah, really, I really, I'm starting to feel that way, Like I don't know if how many I mean, I mean, do you think legitimate will receiver options there are in the first round six to eight, and you think all of them will be gone for the Cowboys? Peak? All the ones that they might want a draft? Yeah, I think there's five, no, no, five that the Cowboys

would we have interest in the first round. They love Drake London, Yeah, they like Traylan Burke's uh, they love Chris Olave and I think all three of those guys could be gone dudes, Yeah, yeah, all three of them. Yeah, Jamison Williams will already be gone. Right when you ask what I want to happen, give me Jamison Williams and call it a day. Yeah, put Tyreek Hill on this team and we'll call it a day. I'm fine with that. And then it would be like, are you pretty are

you pretty certain? He's going to be gone, Yes, I mean pretty certain. Do I know for sure? I was pretty certain Ceede Lamb would be gone too. Who the hell knows. But I don't think he'll be Does it bother you at all? A guy like Jamison Williams, I mean, I mean, there's only one Britt you know, others two, I guess. But but Britt Brown, who's like you gonna do? I'm saying doing the courts. I mean, you got Michael

Gallup and you got Jamison Williams, two guys. A. It's a five year contract, and b Williams has he's on the record saying he thinks he'll be ready for training camp. So but that might also be the reason why he's available to you is because there are questions about his health. I'm thinking, right, I would run to the podium to draft that man. I don't care. Sam Bradford tore his shoulder off in the OU Texas game, and U, what's the number one pick in the draft? I mean, like,

if you're good, if you're good, you're good. I think that's true. Um, I think, like we've beaten this into the ground. But I think the realistic scenarios are Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green. And if for some reason they don't like one of the nick kind of alluded to it, maybe Kenyan Green might have a medical issue that scare some people. So that's something to keep an eye on. And if they don't like their options at offensive line, then then maybe, like the quote, like the bailout pick

would be a linebacker Dean or Lloyd. They Lloyd was a visitor, so that would make sense. Dean A lot of people love him, but he seems small to me to be a cowboy pick. No, he's he's a great player like he Wasna you qualify that at the end to be a cowboy pick. Yeah, they ned into like big long. I mean they drafted Laton vander ash She's like six six, Micah's six three. So to draft a five to eleven linebacker in the first round seems out

of character. But if you're if you were the captain of like the best defense in modern college football history, I'm fine with you being on my team. Yeah, and you were a player like a be a whole beast. Yeah. So yeah, that's what I think. That was long winded. Sorry, Amber, what are you thinking? Felt question? What happened. What do you think? I can never guess anything when it comes to the draft. But my guy right now is sighing, like that's the guy I would want them to draft.

I specifically want a guard. I was checking out I think it was yesterday on the website, like the latest mock draft that you guys did on Dallas Cowboys dot com. You know, you see the different options that people are wrong the media picks for the Cowboys, and one of the most popular names still out there is Tyler Linderbaum and that one and we've talked about this on a show. I asked you, Dave, like what do you think about him?

And all that, which is great, like the talent that he has, But I'm still like, I wouldn't be excited about a center, Like I get a talent, you can also help the guy next to you, as you know, you can help the guard and all that. But I want and I need a guard that is very much capable of handling his own, you know, and not so I don't know. I just want a guard. That's all I want. Okay, Nick, Yeah, I definitely I want them to get an offensive linement that can play. Right now,

I think if I had to guess. I think they're going to take a receiver, That's what I would think they would do. But I hope that they take an offensive lineman and one that's got some position flex to him. Well, a guy that can play guard and maybe eventually center. A guy who can play guard and maybe eventually tackle, you know, you know, play a few years and then move out there if if you need it. There's some guys like that. I think. I think Zion Johnson's very versatile,

Kenyon Green, Tyler Smith, Tulsa. I think there's there's a chance there, but I think somebody that's got some versatility on the offensive line. Zion does have center flexibility, which is interesting. Yeah, And what's really interesting about him is, and we have a story up today on him. He started forty nine games I think in college, twenty six at at guard, twenty three at tackle, and he's got center,

you know, a possibility too. So you know, he played three years, was three years at Davidson Wreck, you know, it was you know, obviously at lower level. Then went to Boston College and was still pretty good too. So position flex for him. Strength That means Zion Johnson would be good. But you know, don't be surprised if some you know, just just in somebody that's good position flex that thinks the kid. Oh all right. I appreciate you guys joining us. We will be back next week on Wednesday.

We'll let you guys know what we think about the draft and what the Cowboys got and where they may still be some holes. We'll talk about that next Wednesday. Till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, and Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eaculeton. This hasn't In the Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.