Cowboys Break: Who's No. 2?

the Great Queer Life and the SWBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we're talking Cowboys football here with you guys for about an hour and a lot of things to get into today. We're going to talk a little bit about some some players that are coming up on their contracts will be expired ring here in the next several week couple weeks, and what the Cowboys should maybe do

around some of those players that. In the first segment, second segment, we're actually going to spend a little time going through a very interesting article that Nick wrote about the Super Bowl, talk about some of his takeaways from the super Bowl, See if Dave and Amber think they're as interesting as I do. And then in the final segment, we will get to some phone calls, so you guys can call us eight eight eight eight five five two

two nine seven. We'll take questions, we'll take comments, whatever you guys want to talk about. In that third segment, we will be here for you and have those conversations. How's everybody doing today, great, We're good. Yeah? Yeah, you guys enjoying offseason? Love it? Nick? No, Yeah, I mean you know it's offseason. This is the first time it's a tough offseason, though this is tougher than usual. Well, I was just gonna say this was the first time

that I was actually kind of bummed and upset. Like usually I'm like, oh, yes, offseason, I'm ready to take a break or whatever. But this was the first time of me seating all my college watching the Super Bowl and being like what the heck like, which i mean not that the Cowboys deserved to be there, but I'm saying, like we should have been there making this happen. I should be in Miami right now, and I was not there. Should be in Miami. Two years ago the super was

in Super Bowls in Minneapolis. I doubt she was out of boy, should be in Miami living it up and covering the Cowboys who are about the battle. Yeah, I was bummed. I know, I don't like this was an eight and eighteen. They didn't deserve to be anywhere near there, like that's twenty sixteen. Yeah, I remember being like, this is stupid. We should may I never thought that should be there, but it should have happened last year. Should

means deserve Like that's no, they're very different. It's like, honestly, I have and then, like many other people, very high hopes at the beginning of the season, and I was certain that that was going to be the year, and it clearly was not that way. I think she just wants to cover the game, like be at the super Bowl. Maybe not so much the Cowboys. You know, there's a lot of media here in Dallas, they though, and the fun reasons to go there, well, you know what, it

was a great way to phrase it. People find reasons to go there. They definitely do, which I kind of I thought about that, not to get into journalism weeds, but like, if I ever have a chance to cover a Super Bowl, I wanted to be for a better reason than just like I found a reason to be there, you know, like like the team that you cover and it's the Cowboys first trip in thirty years or whatever, as opposed to just like I'm gonna find a way

to be down there even though I cover Anthony Hitchens. Yeah, I don't really want to do I've done that. In two thousand and nine, the Cowboys had UM. They the coaching staff was the coaches for the Pro Bowl and then Emmett was going into the UM to the Hall of Fame. It was the Saints and Colts. It was that whole week and I did that. I like found linebackers that played for the Saints. I forgot their name. They had two of them, Scott Figina and Vilma probably Shanley. Oh,

Scott Shanley. Yeah, a couple of formers, you know. Yeah, yeah, really care about that. But it was a reason to get the Chiefs. Have six guys yeah that that that have a ring that we're with the Cowboys. Yeah, and it's like cool, you know, very few of them, well only half of them actually played an important role for that team, but yeah, they all get they all get rings like like the next guy. So right, yeah, all right, let's jump into this free agent talk a little bit,

just to give you guys some context. The Cowboys, where I guess the NFL, their schedule is set up such that starting February twenty fifth through March tenth, that will be the period where teams can designate their franchise players or transaction I'm trying transition tag players, and then free agency will begin on the eighteenth. There will be that little period of two days between the sixteenth and eighteenth

to March where teams can start negotiating. But all that being said, during Super Bowl week we heard some interesting things. We heard comments from Stephen he said the Dacks is the number one priority for them, and follow that up with the Mars probably number two. And and we also heard some things from Dak about his thoughts on the contract.

The first question I have for you guys is, how would you handle this contract coming up, this contract period coming up, Knowing that you have Dak out there, you have a Mari out there, you have Byron Jones out there. How would you handle specifically Dak and a Mari going into this this free agency period. Well, you know, I think it's easy to say Dak's top priority, Cooper second, because that's kind of what people think is going to get the most money. But I think it's important in

the order I think DAK needs to have. You need to get a long term deal with that so you can be flexible with what you want to do with Cooper if that means a transition tag or a franchise tag. But you got to remember, transition tag could go away if the CBA is signed or it doesn't. It doesn't go away, but you can't use both. Yeah, right now, the way that the CBA is and it's since it's expiring, you can use You can have a transition tag and a franchise tag, but if that doesn't happen, you can

only use one or the other. And when you say, if that doesn't happen in other case, in other words, if the Cowboy I mean, I mean, if the NFL and the Players Union actually come to an agreement on a new CBA, then tell me what happens at that point if you have a franchise and a transition if you have both, yeah, I mean, if you have both, from what it sounds like, the transition goes away. So I don't know, maybe maybe then, And these are all things I assume that are maybe negotiated, So it may

not actually be. In fact, we know what's going to happen. But the point is there is some there is some ambiguity about what happens with regards to those tags if there's a new CBO. Right, let me just answer it differently, and let me just say that I think that that. I think you signed back to a long term deal. You just got to get it done. You have to get it done, and then I would franchise Amari. I

think that makes more sense with him. That's what I think. Yeah, I mean when you ask for my approach, like, yeah, I mean they both need to be signed. I want to sign them both. And that, honestly, that was I appreciate it Dak's honesty there during Super Bowl Week when he was like, honestly, I thought it would happen before the season, because so did I, so did a lot of us. And I know, you know, it takes two to tango. Dak's got to be willing to sign a deal.

They've got to be willing to offer what he wants. I get all of that, but they need to get this thing done. Okay, So but but I think, and there's the rub. Are you willing if you're the Cowboys. Are you willing to go to the number that he wants just to get it done? Isn't that important to you just to get it what's the number that he wants if if he really wants forty, I'm gonna I'm gonna guess that number is well above the thirty two, thirty three or maybe even thirty four that that we've

been thinking. He probably falls in line with those other guys like Golf and and went. It's probably not there. It's probably something above that. Or what is your point where you're like, Okay, I can get up to here, but I can't go beyond that, even though I know that that can be hurt. That can hurt my team

if I have to franchise him or whatever. And that's the fun part is that that conversation is could change soon because the Chiefs have made it known that it's a priority for them to lock down Patrick Mahomes, who has the credentials and the resume to ask for whatever he wants, and he will be the NFL's first forty million dollar player. I don't I mean, there's somebody bench that the other day and I was like, yeah, I

don't think you can completely rule it out. I don't think he would do that, because it would I mean, now you really are starting to talk about crippling your team. You would honestly have to have a new CBA, and the economics of football have to drastically change to where you can afford to put fifty million on a quarterback. I don't think I would be shocked if he hit forty two million a year and or you know, the

forty three whatever. So point being is that's going to happen, and if it happens before Dak is signed, that's just economics. Is Dak is like, well, the structure has changed now and now like thirty six isn't what it was or thirty eight isn't what it was, And so I guess to answer it more bluntly, like my line in the sand right now, it's probably like thirty five, where I'm like, dude, what are you doing? Like why do you think you

deserve more than that? Like why would I pay you more than what I'm what's Russell Wilson is being paid? And but again, if Pat Mahomes making forty two, I know he's not. Pat Mahomes, stop yelling at me. I can hear all of you doing that, but again, it's economics more than anything. It resets the market, so that number changes if he signs, which is all the more

reason why it's got to happen soon. You just can't afford to be going up against that contract, and the fact is resetting the market then kind of resets things for Russell as well. It almost blows the thirty six out of the water because then it's like, well, yeah, thirty six, he may not be better than Russell, but Russell hasn't had a new deal since the forty two is set, So yeah, that's why it makes it difficult. Right,

That's the guy I think that's in the way. But honestly, the one that I think the Cowboys are really worried about is Deshaun Watson. That's the one that you look at his stats and what he's done in accomplishments, and Houston might be the type of team or you know that just says we're gonna pay for what he's going to do. And that's the one that kind of scares they think the Cowboys more than Mahomes because I just think Mahomes is on a completely different level. But Watson

Russell Wilson. You're talking about those other two guys that God deals that both have been in the Super Bowl. Yeah, you know, so I don't know. I just don't. I just don't think. I think the Cowboys need to stick to their guns on this one. I really do, and I don't want it to happen where let's say they go and pay that big amount of money and then Dak essentially he's playing the same way that we've seen him play, although he had a growth this past year.

But at the same time, you know, Nike always talks about clutch moments like can he be that player in those critical moments of the game, And if it's not, then we're really gonna be talking about like what And he happens all the time with players when they get those kinds of big contracts. Exactly. Let me let me go back to what you just said. Let's go back to the start of the season, and let's say that

he signs the deal for thirty three million a year. Okay, he is now the you know, highest paid in Cowboys history and all this stuff that goes with it, and then the season happens just like it did, like it did. What are we viewing him differently. I think we'd be viewing him very similar to how people are viewing DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, I think DeMarcus Lawrence had a bad year. I think for the contract, people are like, h did we really

get what we're paid for? Like, that's the point, that's right, And so when when you factor all that in, then it's like, Okay, well should he get more than that? You know, because if he would have had that money and gone eight and eight and not ever led the team back in the second half of any game, then I think, you know, I don't think. I don't think DeMarcus and all those guys that have signed deals, I don't think they had that much of a step back. Year.

Is just you know, I think I think I will be alone in this, but I think I would view it more favorably. You do, Yeah, because I would be like, well, not the best season, that's not going to cut it. He's costing this towards the salary cap. But again, we started the clock. We started the clock on this contract. We're already working toward being out from under the bad

part of it. He is already settled into the hierarchy where Mahomes is going to pass him, Watson's gonna pass him, Lamar's gonna pass him soon, and in two or three years he will be tenth on the list, like Jimmy Garoppolo, who I will say, for the millionth time, set the market when he signed and it's been less than two years and he's ninth. That's that's how this works. It

is amazing. And so if it had just happened in September, I would be like, no, you didn't get your return on investment, but you feel good about his development and his trajectory, and you have started the clock on this instead of sitting here going exactly how much are we gonna have to pay this guy? Because it's starting to get scary when you're thinking about these other deals that are going to hit. So yeah, I would feel way back.

And he did not have a great season, not a season worthy of that contract, but I'd still feel better about the situation if he was under contract. Now. I think everybody feels like we could you know, you could sign this guy four or five years. I don't know how much it's gonna be, but yeah, he'll be the guy. But are you as comfortable with the four to five years at that price or you know, at the top

value for Maria Cooper. See that one seems more scary to me, and I'll actually, I'll that's a great question. Let's take a quick break. When we come back, I want to hit that question. And I also want to ask the question, like, when you start looking at that, should he really even be your second priority? You got other guys like Robert Quinn out there, you got you know, Byron Jones out there? Should he really be the second priority for this team? Based on what you've seen so far?

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At the start, we're talking about free agency. We're talking about some guys that Cowboys will have that they will have to either resign or let walker or maybe put the franchise tag. I'm talking about Dak Prescott. But the question before the break is about who the next guy is. Who's the next highest priority for the Cowboys. You got Amari Cooper out there, You've got Byron Jones out there,

You've got Robert Quinn out there. If you had to choose only one of those guys that you're really gonna make a priority, you know, you're gonna try to keep Dak with this other guy's going to be the only other priority that you have. Who's that guy gonna be? I mean, it's it's a mari because you know, if you start trading away draft picks and not getting any return,

that's when you your team will will suffer. And so I think that I still view him as the first round draft pick from last year, and you've got to get some you know, investment on that. So I would I would do that, you know, I would try to see if this new receiver's coach in this new offense. You know, I don't know if it's a new offense, but you know, different wrinkles. I would like to see

what they can do here. And you know, but I like the franchise tag for him because I like one more year and then, you know, then then we'll see where you are. And then after three years, if he didn't work out, then okay, maybe maybe you can move on. And here's the thing, Dak, He's not to me, at least in my perspective. He's not the type of quarterback

that can make it happen on his own. He needs those kinds of players like we've seen them go by committee and switch around receivers and it just did not work out. Dad needs help from these other guys that are able to catch the ball. And when it comes to a Mari, I mean he obviously I have my questions about him because those away games, he just never

showed up. And it sucks when you only have a good player for half of your games and then for the other half it's like, all right, well what a bummer. But my thing is, if it's not him, who who is it gonna be? Who else can come in at receiver and create that kind of impact when it comes to Dad handling the offense and finding guys on the field.

All right, So Dave answered that question for me. Let's assume for a second that the Cowboys did want to say, hey, we're gonna take our chances here at wide receiver because we think this draft is deep enough. Are there guys that would be available to the Cowboys in this draft who can come in and immediately because that's the thing. You can't wait two or three years that immediately can provide you at least what Cooper was providing you as of last year, and have a ceiling that can get

even better than that. You're always taking a risk that that guy's going to be able to contribute right away. I mean, just especially where they're picking. I mean, first of all, this receiver class is absolutely loaded. They will be able to find talent. If they found Michael Gallup at pick eighty one, receivers like that'll be available. Receivers like that'll probably be available in the fourth round if

this receiver class is what it's supposed to be. But again, Michael Gallup, like inconsistent as a rookie, was not ready to put a real load on himself. Blew up this season to a degree, but still wasn't a consistent He still would call a number one receiver, yet of course not only had the chance in the Jets game, it didn't work on Um, you know, Jerry Judy's out there, uh Te Higgins, Henry Ruggs from Alabama, like the Rugs

is a speak guy right incredibly. Um, the list goes on and on, but if you take them on, it's it's what it's that classic thing of like if I take a Mari Cooper out of this lineup and plug in a rookie, let's say, alongside Michael Gallup and Randall Cobb. Did I get better? I don't think the answers. Yes, maybe in the future, like you know, two three years down the line, that could be really nice, or you like, I love the idea of keeping a Mari and drafting

a guy. I love that idea. You know, wouldn't stop you from bringing Randall cop back? Sure, Devin, Devin Duvernet, Colin Johnson, Um no, no, no, Okayne is really ever heard at Duvernet in my life? That's fine? But I mean the list goes on and on. Calmney called Denzel Men's Oh geez, I forgot arguably the best guy in the draft, Ceedee Lamb could be there for you at pick seventeen. Take that. Um yeah, the list goes on and on. But I don't know. To to Age's point,

I just does this team get better letting Amari Cooper leave? No, I don't think. I don't think the answers yet they get better when he got But yeah, but I think what you guys are not considering is are you willing to commit the money? I get your point. I actually I am more in line with you from the standpoint. I'd rather see him franchise, be honest, with you because I'd like to see another year, But are you willing to commit? And again, I don't know what they're asking.

That's the thing what is happening right now because we don't really hear answers from him or the Jones or nobody. They're just like, oh, yeah, it's one of our priorities. But it's like, Okay, we've heard things about the Dak Prescott's a contract, but then when it comes to a Mari, we haven't heard anything. I'm not asking top five money. I'm not willing to do that this year. I don't think. What do you guys, hop, Um, do you consider him a top five receiver in the NFL? No, you consider

on the top ten receiver in the NFL. Well, let me flip this back on you. I mean, is Dak Prescott a top five quarterback in the NFL? Is that No? But I will say this about what it boils down to some degree in other positions. I think for quarterbacks the difference is if you get a quarterback that you think is good enough to get you to Super Bowl, you have to hold on to him because they are not plentiful. Wide receivers are plentiful, like there are a

lot of good wide receivers around the NFL. You get a good when you put him in your system, and you can probably have product productivity from your passing gig Like, I don't think it's the same thing as the way you have to evaluate a quarterback where you just can't afford to go back to the bottom of the league where you don't have an option at all. Yeah, that makes sense, and that's I mean, I'd be fine signing Amari.

They have the cap to handle it. But if they I would not hate the idea of franchising Amari, drafting a receiver somewhat high, and grooming that guy to help you move forward if you don't want to resign him later,

that's fine with me. You know, I think there's three receivers that are definitely better or you know, Houston, m what's his name, Hopkins, Hopkins, Michael Thomas, Michael Thomas, Julio Jones, Fante Adams is in there, and Mike Evans, And then when you get to that point, you know, in O'Dell, I still think it is. I mean, I think there's a lot of stuff going on there for Cleveland, but I think he's still talented wise. I mean, I think he's as good as anybody, so, but that's when you

start making arguments. That's where I think the sixth seven, you know range, he's somewhere in that jumble behind like you know, those top guys. I think Hopkins and Julio are in like a class all their own at this point, but he's in that jumble behind everybody. You know, where you can go, there's like a list of eight. I mean, Keenan Allen's another one. Nobody you know still only like twenty six or turning twenty six. I really wouldn't have a problem paying him. And that's do you get better

letting him go at least? I mean, if again, if you want to draft Jerry Judy and groom him, that's a different conversation. But like you're not getting better without him, And that's and I get your point Amber, Like, yes, Dak does need help, but like so does everybody. By the way, like Mahomes is encouraged, Mahomes is incredible, but let's not act like there's not a boatload of skill

talent on that offense. I'm actually shocked that you guys don't put Tyry Kill up there with those top wide receivers, because I think he should be up there with those top guys. I think you look at how he performs, and it is a consistent thing pretty much throughout the year, game in and game out, he is making place for his team. His route changed the Super Bowl. Yeah, the ability to turn that safety the way he did and

and create himself wide open. And he does that all the time, and teams are paying attention to him, teams are trying to take him out of the game, and he still's fine. It's kind of like what Abe was doing in Houston for a long time. I mean, I'm sorry in Pittsburgh for a long time, where teams would try to double him, would try to take him out of games. His route running was just so good that

he could still get open. This is not fair, And honestly, i'm a little I'm reluctant to say this about Michael Thomas because he did it with Teddy Bridgewater and his hands are like vacuum cleaners. He's nuts. But like I said, it's not fair. But Tyreek Hill, I'm like, I want to see you play with not the best quarterback ever, Like I want to see you play with somebody that's not a human cheat code. What I think a lot of it is just his insane arm talent combined with

hills insane speed. Like that's a ridiculous combination to try to defend. But I've seen Hopkins do that with Ryan Fitzpatrick for years. I get it. I just the way I look at that is you get a quarterback that can just sling. It works right because Tyreek Hill is a guy that's gonna make you look really good because

he can just get open. He's faster than everybody else, and he runs good enough routes like you were saying, a Super Bowl runs good enough routs at if he gets you, he's smart enough to know how to get you off balance, and then if he gets a step, he's gone. You can't catch him. Between all, I I mean, Hills on a big contract, Watkins is on a big contract. Kelsey's arguably the best tight end in the league. And then Nicole Hardman and they spent a top one hundred

pick on and he's got he can run too. Mahomes is absolutely incredible, not taking any credit away from him, but people act like he's the only thing on that offense. Sometimes I'm like, no, there's there's a lot of talent there for him to work with. Yeah, okay, well here's another question. It's high from the whole talent subject. Are any of you guys concerned at all about all these foot injuries that and Mari went through last year? That

doesn't concern you for this year? Yeah, yeah, that wouldn't. That wouldn't even my number one concerned. But yeah, now that you mentioned, and it is really Yeah, I don't know. For some reason, I'm not as concerned about that. I kind of thought of those as just kind of you know, kind of those fluke injuries that happened when you play football. You know. I've never heard said he's dealt with that

for a long time, so it's like that. But I don't know that I've heard anything that suggests that this is a long term problem for him. I think when you run as much as any receiver does, you're probably gonna have issues. And by the way, he wasn't missing a lot of games like he played through a lot of that. Now it was one game where there's one game that that you know, he just he obviously did had it that day. But but my point still is I think that this is not what which the game?

Which game you're talking about? Honestly? Was that the Jets? Yeah? Well I don't yeah, I didn't know you're talking about that game or the one where the Ego game where Yeah, I mean no, the Jets game is weirder to me. The Jets game is the game that just seemed weird to everybody because you were like, so, you were pretty good or thought you could play all week, and you thought you could play on game day, and then a couple plays in without anything seemingly happening, you just kind

of like, I absolutely can't do it right. That's the part that was wed next week. Yeah, that was a little weird to everybody, to everybody, but again we don't know what is Like his body may have just like he may have just twisted it the wrong way coming out of his you know, coming out of a break or something. Who knows. I need you on the field on fourth and eighth. I need you to be on the field, like that's on the Eagle game, Like that's

the one in Cob too. I mean, let's don't put you know, the Cob kind of got him down there. But yeah, I don't know is demeanor scares me. And I don't like to say that because it because it's like everybody's built differently, and you're like, don't question my toughness or my heart or any of that stuff. We based off what you see. Because I'm a quiet guy, I get that, but I just it scares me because you don't know. If you don't see the fire, you don't see it. I'm saying you have to be like

Odell Beckham, but you just don't see it. And it's it's scary because that was a contract year when you're supposed to be really really hungry. Yeah, so I don't I just don't know. It's it's so funny how you swing from these different extremes like yeah, where it's like, man, just settle down. Yeah, it's okay, and then on this you're like, man, you gotta pick it up. Something we

gotta see. And I don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't feel the same way, but but it is kind of this this dueling thing where you're like, give me a look. You want to have the kind of the perfect guy, but you know, guys aren't perfect. They aren't perfect, they are perfect. It is what it is. Right, you watch the Pro Bowl, you know, and first play the game, he like drops a pass or you're like,

first play of the game, but he didn't score a touchdown. Later, Um, I'm sure, Dave, you saw that he scored in the Pro Bowl. Yeah, didn't watch a second of it. That's a little more going on that day. What was that day? I don't know. Oh yeah, that was a weird day. Um, I don't know. I mean I sort of agree with most of what you just said, but at the time, I don't know. I mean, guy's had a thousand yards like five of his six seasons in the league. He's

pretty damn good player, he is. But the question is, do you want the guy that's consistently gonna give you ninety eighty nine one hundred yards a week or you want the guy that's gonna give you some two hundreds or some one fifties, but then some weeks he has thirty. Like that's where you have. That's what you have to make it. We've said recently that like that's almost everybody, really, like that's almost every receiver, like at the top, very very hard to be a week in week out, six

catches hundred yards. Guy one now I will say, though it is a little even I will say this about some of those other receivers, though there are times when you see them they might not have a great game statistically, but there'll be moments in that game, maybe it's towards the end of the game, where they will make a huge play for their team. And I think in a Mari's case, I do wonder if it seems like when

he disappears, he kind of just disappears. I would want to see even in games where they may not they may not think the matchup is favorable to really go to him a lot, but I would think at some point in that game they figure out how to get a play that really can make a difference in the game. And it just seems like it's either or for him.

It doesn't seem like there are those games where even if he's not having a great statistical day, there's a big moment that he provides where the team needs something he can look to him. And when you look at it in this different perspective, it's like, in those games where he wasn't playing necessarily well, does his presence still bring something to the field where it now creates more opportunities for these other guys. It probably does. And that's

how I used to see the Marcus Lawrence. I'm like, Okay, even at times in my mind, like even before this past year, he's the one guy that, regardless of him not making a specific play, his presence still creates opportunities for these other guys next to him. So is he that type of player when he's on the field. I don't know. I mean, I mean, I would think that it probably helps. I would think defenses have to go into games thinking as far the passing game is concerned,

the first priority probably is you got to stop Amari Cooper. Now, the first priority really you got to stop to run. But and that's the number one with the Cowboys, I would think if you're playing them, but when you're talking about the passing game, I would assume that the first guy they got to be worried about is Amark Cooper, and they're going to spend a little extra time trying to take him out of games, which should create opportunities

for others. To go back to the overall question, I mean, I think the world of Byron I think he's underrated. He doesn't get takeaways, but his covers. He's outstanding and to do what he did this year without an offseason really impressive. Robert Quinn fantastic, like played out so perfectly. Like that's exactly the type of addition the Cowboys need to be making, low cost, high upside saying it for years.

I'd love to have him both back, and I think it's realistic to think two of those three can be here. Probably would. I think it would be Cooper and Quinn. Unfortunately, point being is like I'm going to resign the guy that touches the football the most often and really has the biggest chance to directly impact games because we always I mean and like the best day of your life as a defensive end is getting like three sacks out

of eighty snaps. You know, Like you just don't have as many opportunities to impact the game as a quarterback obviously or a wide receiver. So Cooper's got to be priority number two. Ember, you agree with that, Cooper your second priority? Yeah, Well, like I said, when he comes up to the offense, third at a Quinn, MALIEK. Collins and Byron Jones. Yeah, you can take whatever free agent you want. Who's the third guy? If we all agree

that Cooper's a second. Who's the third guy? I'm sorry, go ahead, Well it's to me it would be between Quinn and Byron Jones. I just don't think they'll be able to give Byron Jones the kind of money that he probably deserves to keep him here. But he's a guy that I don't think it's gonna be that easy replacing him, and regardless of him not being able to catch balls, I mean, the way he plays still and the Cowboys are still gonna need a lot of help in the secondary as a whole. I mean, you got

Cheeto Jordan. When when are they next? Next? Next? Next year? That's coming up too, So maybe you gotta draft a guy and somebody so definitely got a draft a guy this year. I think there's there's a lot of question marks there in a lot of needs. You better do one of those two, Quinn or Byron Jones, because if you don't have Byron Jones, and then you need somebody to definitely get after that quarterback. And if you don't

have Quinn, then you need someone to cover. So, I mean, I just don't think they're gonna get Byron Jones in a perfect world. I don't think it's even close. I would resign Byron, like if money was him a Quinn, Yeah, if money was no object. He's twenty seven, he's super athletic.

But we're not in a perrect w I just I don't based on the money factoring everything, you know, I don't think it's realistic to think Byron Jones comes back here, and unless they were to get a deal done with one of these two in the next month and open up the franchise tag. But guess what for Byron Jalen Smith. We're thinking those guys, we're gonna get somewhere else. News flash. We're wrong all the time. But like, but to your point, yeah,

that would that happened in August. That happened, like you got months to sort through it and get you know, get through the season. We're in crunch time right now where there's there's five weeks until free agency opens, and unless the Cowboys were willing to blow Byron Jones away, he'd be insane to take a deal right now when he's this close to hitting the open market where and they don't have a lot of options. They can't franchise them, probably because they got these other ones they got to do.

Probably can't transition. I mean, they've got these other ones. This is this is the most earning potential he'll ever have in his life, because somebody's going to be willing to throw stupid money at him. And I just can't imagine he'd be willing to take a deal before he sees what that would look like. And I personally, I think that's a mistake for a team. I think if a team pays him top five cornerback money, I think that's a mistake. I think he is a good cornerback.

I think we're our opinions are somewhat put on a curve because based on all the cornerbacks you got here, he's the best of what you got here. But I think he's a good cornerback. I don't think he's a great quarterback. I think, I mean, that's so hard to say until you know where he goes. Like if the Detroit Lions pay him out just out the wazoo and it's great, like yeah, then it probably looks like a mistake, like is he going to put you over the top.

But like if you were to go to a team like Philadelphia where they are, they mean they still they're like the Cowboys, like, despite being disappointing, they have a nice roster, like they're built to succeed. They got the quarterback, they got all that stuff in place. They need to draft a receiver. But I could imagine he goes there and it's like, oh man, Philly's pass rush has been on another level since they had this cornerback that can stick to his coverage and blah blah, and all of

a sudden they look really smart. So I think it just depends on where he goes. What I do wonder though, is that we think the coverage has been pretty good. I wonder if on a team where where opposing teams figure, hey, we're going to test him a little bit more, because I don't think he doesn't get tested a whole lot here. I think there are better options to go to, obviously, but I don't think he gets tested a whole lot here.

I want to see what he happened, What happened to one of those teams where they say, hey, well we'll test him a little bit more. I want to see if he still can because he's not a guy that necessarily he's gonna get his hands on the ball. So what is he gonna what is he gonna do there? Because we've seen it here, even in tight cover, sometimes teams are able to complete some passes on him. I wonder what will happen on a team like that. Yeah, I would argue that he gets his hands on the ball,

he just doesn't ever catch it. He bats a lot of passes down, he just doesn't catch him. I don't. I mean, obviously the Mike Nolan quote that he said, the story he told about Troy Atman telling him a long time ago. I'm not worried about guys that don't pick the ball off. I mean I'm worried about Dan, and I'm not worried about I guy that bats the ball down. And I thought immediately, well, that's not good for Byron Jones. Um. I don't even know if he

leads the team in past breakups. I'm not sure. I don't even know where he ranks in on the league, because I think that's another I will kind of argue with you a little bit on the on the standpoint of you know, he doesn't have they don't have to test him. I mean, you want to be able to play the whole field, and so if it works to test him, you would. I mean, I think the reason why he doesn't get tested a lot because the guy's guy covered. I mean, he's got it covered. Uh, he's

a good cover guy. So I just think there's thirty two teams that value differently when it comes to cornerback and coverage and the scheme that they play, and somebody's going to have that cap value and be like, this guy covers. That's good, that's better than what we've got. But when you're going into it, let's say you're the posing team. You're going into a week against the Cowboys,

and you're looking at how this defense plays. You're looking at Cheeto, You're looking at you know, Jalen, You're looking at you know, the safeties. Yeah, and you're saying, there are a lot of ways exploit them in the passing game that I don't really necessarily need to spend a lot of time over there. And to be honest with you, that doesn't mean you don't go over there because they

still throw it by, right. Yeah, It's just that when you look at it, you've got a lot more opportunities in other places, So go to those other places, and because they don't move around, you could take your receiver and move him around and put him in some of those favorable situations. That's my only point. And I don't know if on other teams that will necessarily be the case because of the construction of those other defens I'll i'll be interested, because you know, it's the week after

the Super Bowl. Everybody's reflecting on, like, you know, everybody that's not the Niners and the Chiefs is trying to think about, like how that worked for them. And for the longest time, you know, the Seahawks were the story of the decade with how they hit on all these draft picks and it was just this perfect storm. And that is obviously a very successful way to build a super Bowl team, but we've also seen that there's no one way to do it, and the Chiefs just and again,

Mahomes is the biggest part of it. But the Chiefs put together a super Bowl roster that is absolutely full of gaudy free agent signings. The Broncos did it a few years ago too, Like, there are multiple ways to do this thing. And so if Byron were to go to a team that like to nixt point, he fits the scheme, he fits what they need I could see it being a really smart signing for somebody, just depends on who it is. Let's take our final break. We'renna

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Back to the break, Welcome back. It is the final segment of The Great Live in the SWBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, I'm having a good time with these guys a day. We've got a good conversation flowing about free agency. We're gonna get some calls and some opinions from you guys. Call us at eight eight eight, eight, five five two two, nine to seven. We'll do that to the end the show. We got a call from Brian in Waco. Bryan, what up, Hey, guys, how's it

going today? Good? How are you good? Doing good? Doing good? Hey? Um, So I have a little bit of a comment. So I was watching the other day the sounds on the timelines that y'all put out, which are all awesome. By the way, I know all the fans really shout out

to Alex. Shout out Alex slowly. Yeah, Yeah, they're they're amazing. Um. The one the last game against the Redskins, there's a there's a particular part where I think Michael Gallat just got his second touchdown, I want to say, and uh so Marcus Lawrence comes over and talks to uh, you know the wide receivers till you know, Mary, you know, here's hers is up next to them. Mart He's like, no, I'm good. You know I'm good, and uh that awesome. Just his demeanor kind of scares me a little bit.

I'm with you know, Nick on that a little bit. So I was curious what you guys would think about maybe uh uh like releasing him and maybe signing like a Chris Jones from the kansasse ce Chiefs, uh their defensive tackle and then just you know, gain the safety in the first round and maybe seeing about getting one of those wide receivers and the second or third Just kind of your thoughts on that maybe. All right, Thanks

for call. Somebody actually asked me about Chris Jones before we went on the air on Twitter, and I mean, yeah, he's like he's the biggest free agent on that Chief's team. He's a hell of a player. He made a play that changed the game. Um. I know the coaching staff is different, but I think all the front office people are the same. And I just don't think the Cowboys are going to spend that kind of money on an

outside free agent. I don't think that has changed. Ultimately goes back to Stephen Jerry right, And I don't know that they that they've shown us in the last several years that they're willing to go all in on free agency like that. Yeah, I mean, you know, when you're talking about Amar's contract or Dak or whatever. I mean, Dak's obviously going to be here. But if you don't do that with Amari, like the caller just said, I mean, you know that that was my biggest problem about not

signing Deaz. I mean, they didn't do anything with the money. You know they didn't. I mean, I guess they'll argue that they did, you know, moving moving into the next year and maybe signing some the guys that they signed, But I don't know, you better do something with it if you're not gonna if you're not gonna have a top wide receiver. And I think if you look at that Jets game, I think they beat that team by

fourteen points. If Amar he's there, I think he was a difference maker not being there, So you better replace it somehow. Like we talked about this in the first segment, like, if you don't want to give him a long term contract, I'm not going to argue too intensely with you, but he needs to be on this team in twenty twenty if you're expecting to accomplish remotely close to what your

goals would be. I think because it sounds great. The caller even said, you know, second third round again, I mean that that's Michael Gallup and he's great, like that is a successful draft pick. But was he ready to be a starter on I mean he was, but was he ready to be a starter Week one of twenty eighteen. I think he caught one pass for six yards against the Panthers that day, and even and you know, Odell

Beckham hit the ground running. Hopkins has been awesome from the from the jump like it's doable, but it probably there. It's right, and even for a first round pick. I mean, you know, people give the Bears crap for draft picking Trubisky over Pat Mahomes, like the Tennessee Titans drafted Corey Davis. I believe in that draft if I remember, and like

he's had injury issues, it's just it's a crapshoot. I'm not willing to put that kind of strain on a rookie, even even if it's Julio Jones, it's a big risk. You can even think about a guy like Deebo Samuel's who everybody agrees is a guy that's going to be a really great player in this league if he were the only receiving or brought in to be the best receiving threat that they had, and they were going to be relying on him like the Cowboys relied on Amari Cooper.

I don't know that he was ready for that in his first speaking as his fantasy owner, it took him half the season to come on. He was a non factor from September to late October. So another example is a later first round pick was DJ Moore for the Carolina Panthers. His first year, pretty good year, you know, but it took a while to kind of get going. And then this second year, I believe he was in

the Pro Bowl. Ye. So I mean it's not a bad route, It's just that I'm I want the Cowboys to draft a receiver and to do it with a high pick this year because I think the receiver classes that loaded and it could be beneficial. But at the very least. I think Amari needs to be on attack. But every year it's the same thing. It's like, oh, let's good displire for development and for the future. He's like, Okay, I'm tired of the future, Like it needs to happen now.

I'm ready for someone that can come in and do it now. If that's the case, then signed, Sign the guys you've got, you know, sign a Mari Cooper. He can do it now at least twelve. And you can make the case that a deep receiver class means that you know, somebody you like in the fourth or fifth round, you know, because it's so deep, absolutely, you know. And

that's the thing. What you know, they had a vision of Tony for Tony Poller's I mean, he wasn't he wasn't highly rated running back you know where they drafted him. But they thought that what they had was Zeke, that he would be a perfect compliment. So far, I mean, he looks like he's That's the quality of this receiver class. Could push a guy like Devin DuVernay into Day three of the draft. I don't know that for sure, but could Yeah, he's he's exclusively a slot guy. I mean

he's a little less versa. Where is the Verney gonna go? I don't know. We gotta figure you we gotta figure that out. Um yeah, I mean there there's talent to be had in the draft, for sure, but I just you're not You're not a playoff contender without Amari Cooper on your team in twenty twenty at least. All right, let's get a call from Tim in Boston. Tim, what up? Hey, guys,

thanks take micall. I appreciate a quick question. Do you think that this new regime coaching staff will actually decide to spend some capital on a defensive line as far as like one technique or the three technique. In the past, like Dave and Brian went on the Draft show, they'd always talk about this defensive lineman and like, oh yeah, but he's more of a one technique handicapping your defensive line. Nick's always called for that big old Vince will Flock

type of guy. I mean, I didn't go to m I t H when of your defensive line isn't necessarily a priority in your scheme. I think that rate its head in our run game too. I'm just my question I guess is, do you think you can see a philosophical change, yes, in building that defensive line, because that really scares me. All right, thanks for the calls. I do think you will see a change there, I think. And from the priority standpoint, why why do you think

is why? Well, we talked about this before the show. I think one of the reasons why, like he said, it helped it hurt the run game. It might have hurt more than that too. I think that the philosophy is going to be, you've got really good linebackers, You've got athletic linebackers, cover them up, protect them, get some

bigger guys up front, because the MALIEK. Collins of the world, and those guys that are undersized but they can get up the field because Malie Collins was like he was one of your best pass rushers even across the line. That's great, but the draw all play happens, then all of a sudden, the guard and then center are coming right out of your linebacker. Yeah, and you know, and

then one guy's got a neck injury. Yeah, that's the point. Like, and just for those that may not understand what you mean when you say cover them up, your meaning use those guys as basically shields. They keep the offensive lineman from getting to the second level. Now your linebackers are free again being athletics as athletic as they are, They're free out of rome and get to the ball and get to the ball quickly. And that's hopefully that hopefully

helps your defense be better. All it helps your blitz as well, because you can, you know, you have to kind of contain to those guys in the center and then you can maybe blitz from you know, from the outside or whatever. But I mean, I do think that's a great question because I think it'll be the safety and defensive tackle have never been high priorities, and you know,

I think it needs to be. I agree, and that I'm fascinated because, Okay, we just said they're not going to splash cash in free agency, but they will have to sign people they always do, and I think, I mean, this is a good year to need defensive tackles. I mean, you know, if Malie Collins might not be coming back, Antoine Woods, really, Tristan Hill is the only pure defensive tackle with a contract. Don't make that face, Jim Jim tom Sula's an accomplished coach. He might he might coach,

listen to what you have to say. Wow, it takes time, dereks no time to play. It doesn't take time to play. All right, fine, fine, I don't like I hate it when I'm the Sunshine pumper, so I'll just shut up. Uh. Michael Michael Brockers is out there, um from LSU, but I mean that doesn't matter. Marcella absolutely, Marcel Darius is out there from Alabama. That matters. Jordan Phillips, who blew. I mean he'll probably be too expensive. He blew up in Buffalo this year. But even there's even like less.

You know, Vernon Butler, first round pick out of for Carolina. He's a bust, but that's the type of guy the Cowboys have shown interest in in the past. Um A, Sean Robinson, Jaron Reid, two more Obama guys, Danny Shelton back out on the unrestricted market, like there are guys who could really help them, which you know, defensive tackle looks like this huge need right now. But if they prioritize it in free agency, maybe all of a sudden you feel pretty good about it by the time the

draft rolls. Or don't look at somebody's free agent list and go, wait a second, we just picked up the eighth best defensive tackle from this guy's list, but MALIEK. Collins is third on there, and why didn't we try to sign him? You know? But I don't know all the heightened weight of those guys. I think Shelton when he like the three Sheltons, knows yeah, yeah, he's a monster. So I just think a Shaan Robinson's huge too, different,

different fit and what they're looking for. So yes, I think the caller is right on there about I'm I'm fascinating again. I'm a broken record. I'm sorry, But like under in the Garret era, you're like, well, this is what they're gonna do. These are the types of players they're gonna sign, and then they'll do this in the draft.

But it's gonna change, Like they're gonna value different body types on the d line, they're gonna value different skill sets in the secondary, and there will be new names, new archetypes on this team that affect what they do in the draft. And I will say this, I know we I said the opposite a little earlier, at least it leaned toward the opposite, and saying that will as Jerry and Steven are going to be making those kinds of decisions. They haven't shown recently that they're willing necessarily

make a splash in free agency. The one thing you have to throw in is there is a different coaching staff, and because there is a different coaching staff, and second of all, because the Cowboys have so many free agents that are gonna be in flux, this may be a year that they decide, hey, we fuck, we're really close. We have a new coaching staff. They want to revamp what our team looks like. They want to revamp what

our defensive tackles look like, what our secondary looks like. Right, and if they go that route, they may decide they want to take two or three of those those free agent signings and make them really big, splashy guys like guys that really can be cornerstone pieces to your defense. So I would be very careful. I'm gonna be very careful of assuming that I know what they're going to

do in free agency until I see it. I still think they're gonna probably lean back to what they've done because the guys that are evaluating a talent are still the same, and obviously ownership is still the same, but I do think it's something to keep an eye on. I also think that unlike what you've seen in most years, definitely here. I mean because Garrett's been, you know, looking at the Dallas Cowboys for ten years, been going into the draft. But your head coach this year was looking

at all thirty two teams. Maybe not every game, but he was looking at a lot of games, and so he has a better understanding of kind of you know, the head coach has a better understanding of what's out there than ever before. And that's not a knock at anyone. He was just out of football looking at everybody in the league, wondering where his next stop was going to be.

So when when they pull up tape of a guy, he should have a better understanding because he's been in the league for so long and was watching it last year and may have some pet Cassidy got along the way. He's like, I've been looking at the Scala season. He's a free agent. I think we need to go target him. May get a project of mine to identify all of the available free agents that have spent time around Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan over the last like four years.

I think that's probably a worth which. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take one more phone call really quickly before you in the show. This one's from Han and Tulsa. Han. What up? Hi, thanks for ticking my texting my phone call. Absolutely. Do you guys have any concern about the offensive line and the kicking game? Offensive line, especially on the left guard position? It seemed like unsettled there? Hang our Thanks for the call. What do you guys to think Honor Williams?

I mean, where are you with him? Do you think at this point he's a guy that's gonna be a really good player for the Cowboys? You think he's just gonna be a guy right now? You can hope to be him to be a bridge before you get another guy. Do you think you need to make a move right now? I don't know. I really don't. I wish I had a better answer for you, But I mean, yeah, they drafted him high, you know, but this staff didn't. Um. I think that they're you know, but who who's going

to be better? I mean, is it Connor McGovern? Maybe it's not. I mean you have not absolutely seen anything anything from McGovern, right, but he's a free agent though do you do. Is that a position where you need

to go out and again getting a guard. You don't necessarily have to spend a lot of money to get a veteran guard that can come in and be better necessary right now, he may be a progress stopper if you think that he can still get better that if you still think Connor can get better, it can be a much better player with time. Yeah, then you don't necessarily want to stop his progress. But if you if you're starting sour on that, maybe you do go the route of getting a vetter. I think the jury was out.

I mean, I know I would standing on the table that Suphilo was better. I think it was. I don't know what y'all think. I mean, I think it was kind of a wash. He wasn't clearly better, but I do think he was a little bit better because he was stronger, and I think that's something of need, especially with Travis last year. I don't think Travis's strength was all the way back is it shouldn't have been, so

I think the strength was a need. I don't know if he was technically better, and he certainly isn't a better athlete than or William. He's a really good athlete for guard. So it's really it's tough to tell. There's just a lot of moving parts there at the tackle, at the offensive line position. I'm not super worried about it unless they I mean, we've talked about a million times, Like, unless they want to move Connor Williams to tackle and have him be your swing tackle. IM I would like that.

I think would Actually, I think Connor suffers from be playing on a line full of all pros and being a top fifty pick, Like he's not amazing, But I'm not convinced that he's like this game in game out liability that some people make him out to be and then factor in the part where they have a top one hundred pick who we haven't seen, which not saying he's gonna be great, but Connor McGovern should be available and fight that thing out. If he's awesome, then he

can have Connor Williams job. That's fine with me. But you've so you've got two highly touted talents who can fight for that job, and that's fine with me. Would you bring back Joe Looney? I would love to have Joe Looney act for his flex and just because I love him. Yeah, I like him as my backup center. I think he's steady. I think he's a guy you can rely on. And until I see Travis back to the point where he was before the syndrome, I want to have that kind of insurance in Orlando, Orlando, the

Pro Bowl. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, you know, you know my point. I think last ye. I think last year, I think last year he was he was okay. I think there were moments where you're like, man, I don't know if his strength is really back. You saw him, you saw things uncharacteristically happening to him that didn't happen before. Um, And so I want to see now in the second year, is he even stronger? Is he back to being the Travis Frederick that we that we knew for many years

as one of the best centers in the league. Ryan Tannehill one comeback Player of the Year, Congratulations because it was big. That was a big comebacks. If you if you saw Travis in the locker room at the end of the twenty eighteen season, he would have been a unanimous pick. He would have been I mean just playing football again. Oh, he is playing football game. He's gonna make the Brow Bowl when he comes back, I mean

it's yeah, it's awesome. Tannehill got injured a couple of years ago, but like, did he come back from something besides just being a bad player. Yeah, that's bs. And by the way, he was a nature of the layer. He played okay this year, I think ex seventy five yards in the playoffs, Like Jimmy g came back from an achilles. That's awesome. Not but guys do that every year. And obviously we're biased because we're in the bubble. But like Travis didn't look like he was gonna be able

to walk, let alone play football. He had said himself that he was like, how much longer will I be able to like hold my son? You know, his kid? You know? Yeah, I mean he's like suffering from he was suffering from something that's basically killing you from the inside. I now, you know, it's not necessarily an injury. He wasn't you know. He probably got to the Pro Bowl

more on reputation than how good he was. But he still played center in the NFL at a high level a year after all of that, and it's just stupid that nobody wanted to recognize that. So we all agree he wasn't the fight. He wasn't as good as he was before. And that's the point where I want to have Luney here as my protection. Until I see that. Once I see that, I'm good to say how much good? Here's another one? Until I see Connor McGovern show me that he can be some kind of swing guard, center

flex guy. Because if he can do that, then that's different. But when is he gonna be able to show that? But that also goes back to the point if if if I think that Travis is back to being himself, I think that guard position gets a lot better. I think Connor's a better player if those two guys beside him are playing at the level that we thought that

they'd been playing him. Are y'all ready to have the conversation about how there will probably be a pretty good left tackle there at pick seventeen, We're gonna We're gonna wait, and we're gonna have that conversation at a later date, because I do want to talk overall about this offensive line, because I think there are a lot of different little storylines that you can pick up on this offensive line

that are worth discussing. We'll do that in a later week though, all right, appreciate you guys, Joins were back. He asked about the kicking game too. Oh sorry, are you worried about the kicking game? That was the second part. I didn't hear that, he did. There's a baller, stop it. I'm signing signed Kai for Bath and bringing in at least two guys for for the summer. I was nailing them. I'm in. Okay, we got a kick him. Okay, that's

stopping first time. This is an extra point, Like I don't care how scarred I don't care how scarred we all are by the last two years. Like I'm not drafting a kicker. I got too much other stuff to do. And you can find good kickers just sitting out, like you just gotta find them. Like there they exist, they exist. All right, we get to joining us. We're back next wednesday. I'm sorry, no, no, we will be back the wednesday

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