Cowboys Break: Who's Calling the Plays?

another edition of The Break. We are live nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star and it's good to be back on the year with you guys, talk a little Cowboys football for an hour. This is our normal schedule for the offseason. We'll be every Wednesday at eleven am. Of course, on Monday we have Hanging with the Boys at eleven. On Tuesdays we have Talking Cowboys will be on Wednesdays, and then on Thursdays the highly Rate It

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for starting that whole thing up. So let's just let's talk a little cowboys. But how are you day? Nick? I'm great? Thank you? Good? All right? Amber, Good to have you back in the building. Hey, the three of us, what are you talking? Oh that's true? Well yeah, I guess Yet where where were you? Where did you go working on my side businesses making commercials art? I was in Mobile, Alabama? So yeah, very different than one yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So we got a lot to talk about today. Um,

I want to talk first. I'm about this coaching staff, and then a little later in the show. I have some questions for you guys, and those questions will kind of give us a good bow or put a good bow on this season. It will be a little bit of a season in review. We'll go around the table and get some answers on some of those questions. But let's start first with the coaching coaching staff. What we know right now is that Scott landa hands out. Jason Garrett said as much a week and a half ago.

I think it was at this point we know that John Kittner is maybe in. Do we know that? What was gonna say. What we know is he was at the Pro Bowl with the coaching staff. We know he operating right operating with the coaching staff. But there's been nothing official that says that he's in and that he has a role. Those are the things that we know

right now with this coaching staff. So what I figured we would do is let's talk a little bit about assumptions, and let's make an assumption first that there will be no new members added to this coaching staff. I want you guys to tell me what you think of these people in these roles. John Kitten as your quarterback coach, I love it. I think he's a good coach. Number Number one, he's a coach. I mean, he he has no good He's done it, though, but he's done it.

He's been a coach before, and he's when you're a backup quarterback for sixteen years, which sounds familiar. But Jason Garrett, I'm just saying, but but you you've been coaching way longer than when you started, you know, becoming a coach. I mean, he was coaching Carson Palmer at Cincinnati. He was coaching Tony Romo when he was here, So he's a quarterback coach. He's he's gonna be very, very valuable for Dak And I love it. If that's the move. I really like it, MP, I don't mind me it

at all. It's I know, I did some research on his whole experience, and I know one of y'all wrote an article about him and his whole story, which is, like, you know, the experience from college and all that stuff obviously helps a lot, and he can do a lot of things that I haven't. I mean, it's so hard. It's so hard to evaluate Kelen because you're not there listening to what he's saying to Dack. But at the same time, just watching from the outside, you feel that

he's not really doing much to help him. But it's just going back and forth. But I have a feeling that this is a great addition and it's gonna add rather than subtract or not do anything. Dave. Everything they just said, I agree with. I do like it. Overall, part of me is just kind of leery because it's such a Jason Garrett higher, Like, like, who do I know? Who? Who do I know that? Who have I worked with that could maybe do this? Okay? Yeah, John, Like he's older,

he's coached in high school, Like I know him? Okay, Like, and I know you know that's something I know frustrates fans because I read my mentions every day, like you want new, you want different, you want conflicting ideas and ideologies, And that's probably not this because it's a guy that's played here that knows Jason Garrett really well. Familiarity is

a big deal to him. He's never told me that, but every higher he's ever made, suggesting that there was a big higher that they made last year and christ Chard stepped outside of enter and the results were right, maybe great, awesome, And I think you hit the nail on the head that when you look at this and the ability for someone to come in and create, to create clash, I guess that's the best way to put

it into in debate. That's kind of the thing, to be able to come in and create a different viewpoint, to be able to come in and challenge things that everybody just thinks are facts, which really aren't facts. They're more opinions. But it takes somebody from the outside sometimes it doesn't think like that to say that's not really a fact, that's an opinion. And I think there's another opinion that might be better is Byron Jones a corner.

If Christoh Chardon Wright higher, he might be, but you can't say for certainty that he would write yeah, stuff like that, And so at the end of the day, I think it's a solid hire. Actually, you know, I looked this up for the story I wrote, like kitt and I had success as a high school coach, Like he took over his alt right. Well, he started at his alma mater and Tacoma, Washington. They were like, I think they were like two and eight and he went eleven and one and you know, like they were. Yeah,

he turned him into a pretty good team. And then he went back to the Cowboys for a game. Yeah, he actually left it. Yeah, they hired him. They hired him back. And I think that's important because because they needed somebody on the fly who knows it and who can come in and be smart and figure things out. Quickly. And you know that was just a one game option. But he obviously just proves just how much he's still with it. I mean, as far as what this offense is,

he can come in, he can adapt quickly. Was he as a player, He was a He was a pretty good player, A solid quarter. Yeah, he was solid. He was never a great athlete looking guy, you know, but it's like he wasn't the fastest, didn't have a great arm, but he was good enough to be a backup. And I'll say that he had some pretty good years as a starting Cincinnati in Detroit, he had some pretty fantastic years.

When they drafted Carson Palmer, I know he sat all year because Kittna played, and he was good enough to play and keep the first round to pick on the bench, which was what the philosophy was. But he obviously was good enough to keep him there and then and then he better than anything. He handled it of like, all right, now, you're the guy. I get it. I know that he understands the dynamics of things. At the end of the day, I think it's a good hire. But the the the

familiarity of it gives me pause a little bit. But that's okay, and that, to be honest with you, think any coach in the league is any different. I really think that a lot of coaches higher than people they do. Oh and you're right, you know, or at least somebody that they know knows him, you know, refer to him. All right, let's move on. Let's talk about now the

role of play caller. And I'm gonna throw three names out, and I want you to tell me of those three names, put them in priority order of which one you'd want to see first, second, and third. Now, again we're assuming we want to see that you think should be the play caller in order of one. This is the guy definitely want, down to three, this is the guy don't want, all right, And again we're assuming that there are now no new people that are going to be added into

this mix. The people that are already on the staff are presumed to be on the staff, will be the people that will they will be choosing from. All right, So it's Kellen Moore, Jason Garrett, Doug nuss Meyer, and one other qualification. We're talking specifically about play caller, not necessarily just offensive coordinator, but the person that's going to be calling the plays on Sundays. I think that you know,

this isn't to mess up your game or anything. I'll give my answer because I don't you know all I've seen really call plays as Jason Garrett. But I think we know who it's going to be, you know, Jason Garrett. Yeah, yeah, he did talk at the Pro Bowl, not to us, not to the media, but he talked to Jason Witten and the crew of the of the Monday Night crew

that did the game. And if you listen to the game, if you if you put yourself through that misery and watch that and listen to it, they said, you know, Moore is gonna have a good year. You know he's gonna be able to call the plays, and he's gonna have a different style. And it wasn't like this is what they think is going to happen. This is what's going to happen. So I think Jason Garrett told them

that's what's going to happen. I really believe that. So I that being said, Kellen Moore will probably be the play caller. I've only seen Jason Garrett do it. He did a nice job. You think should be calling place. I'd like seeing Smarr honestly, really why Um? I think Dak is the closest thing to a college quarterback. UM college type system. I think that will work with him here, and I think he's got the best experience when different college systems. I think it'd be interesting to see what

he does. What do you know about his because I haven't researched it much, but just in reading little articles and tweets here and there, it sounds like he wasn't a guy that was beloved by a lot of college fans at the stops where he was an offensive coordinator. What do you know about his career there? I guess as a college offensive coordinator, I know he did. He did win a national title with Alabama as their play call. Everybody exactly that's so yeah, I mean, pig that for

what it's worth. And uh, his stint at Florida was not very memorable when you could. I mean that has a lot to do with talent. Michigan to the Alabama was his best results also probably his best talent. I think he got there right after McCarron left. I think I think he was there the year Jacob Coker one, which is like the worst quarterback Alabama's one a national title with he did something with a little less well,

he had all Americans at every other position. He might have been there with Amari Cooper, but don't quite me. Maybe no, yeah he was, because that's they talked about it when they traded for and they're like, yeah, nus knows amar from Alabama. Um, well good because he's got a Pro Bowl receiver, Pro Bowl running back, Pro Bowl quarterback, and two offensive linemen. If if these are saying this is bamma, I'm saying, you've got some guys that if

you need talent, they got here. You're right, You're right. If these are my options, I'd just as soon go with Kellen Moore, to be honest with you, because I don't think any of them are great options. But this is the route the Cowboys have decided to go with. But why would you defer to Kellen Moore with those other two? Because I'm going to and I'm not saying that I should, but I'm going to choose to believe

the glowing praise about him from every direction. You know, Travis Frederick talked about it, His coaches at Boise have talked about it. Since all this kind of started to leak. Dak has been effusive in his praise for Kellen from the get you know, in the time since he kind of emerged as an offensive coordinator candidate. His John Gruden quarterback camp videos have surfaced where he's breaking down tape with John Gruden and you can see that he's a

smart guy. You can see the type of offense that he ran at Boise State, and you know, they incorporated things that I think a lot of Cowboys fans would like to see, you know, when it comes to misdirection and making simple things look complicated and things like that. I'm not saying he's gonna be good at it. I have no idea, but I'll take the young unknown who has the chance to be really good at it over the guys that we've already seen doing. Like I said, no idea if it'll be worth it, but if these

are my three choices, I'll just go with that. That's and it just absolutely blows my mind that that's even an option. Like, no disrespect to Kellen Moore, absolutely no disrespect and keeping in mind that I know very very very little compared to what they know over there on the football side and what they do in those meetings. But I just cannot comprehend how you go from being in charge of one guy basically Dak Prescott training him,

you still didn't really see growth. I don't feel like I saw any growth and difference from Dak compared to previous years. Just something not impressive, you know. And I just feel that you get one person that you're looking after, it wasn't successful. Now you're given now you're being promoted, and you give him the role to kind of manage a bunch of different guys in a way in coordinate everything. And again we haven't seen that, but we know we haven't seen him in this role. But we know the

relationship he had with Scott Linehan. And I'm not saying they're one person, but we know how similar or from what we heard, how similar they were, and how how connected they were. So I'm thinking, in my mind, my assumption is where they must be very alike, and their train of thought and their methods must be very alike. You know something. I've heard of other people say that, and I think that's a little bit unfair. Here's why

I'd say that. I'll give you an example. Nick and I have worked together a very very long time, and for most of that time I've been a supervisor. A lot of people think me and Nick think alike because of that. I would guarantee you that if I were no longer in this position and Nick was running this department, there will be a lot of things that will be done very differently. I don't think it's fair to assume

that's true. It's very true, true, a lot of things would be done different I don't think it's fair to assume that us two people are connected and have been connected for years, and have known each other for a long time, and have worked together for a long time, and work in a relationship where they were kind of doing similar jobs or doing the same kind of work, that all of a sudden, if one would have the ability to make the call over the other, that things

would stay the same. I don't think that's fair to say. And Stephen Jones did his best to put that idea to the torch at the Senior Bowl. He he didn't say Kellen Moore's name once, but he just he was like, you know, you work under a coach, you have a lot of respect for him. That doesn't mean you agree

with everything. And he was like, you know, we've got young coaches on this staff who we think can implement change if they're the ones calling the shots, which again no idea if that will come to pass, but that is what they are hoping for, and and it's again it's it's right in line with the way Jason Garrett has done things like they yea, I'm sorry, you don't want to hear this listening at home. Like they don't want radical change. They want minor tweaks that feel familiar

that will help them to be more efficient. They don't want to completely overhaul everything. They just want it to be a little bit better. Do they need a radical change? I mean, because you can hear the arguments on both sides. On one side, you could say, well, this is a team that has talent, this is a team that got to the divisional round the playoffs, you don't need to

make radical change. But then on the flip side, you can say, yeah, this is a team that over the last few years has been perpetually in this position to get as far as a divisional round and can't seem to get over the hump. So maybe you need radical change in order to see something different. What are your thoughts. I think they need a change in philosophy on this.

You know, we do what we do because yep, teams look at the teams are they have five or six guys on their staff that are looking at what the cowboys are doing all weeks. So they know what the cowboys do. It's their job to be better than that and say, you know, oh, well they think we might do this or we you know, we might do that. I mean, they need to be one step ahead of things. And you know, look no further than Dak when they win games when he runs the ball. When he doesn't

run the ball, they don't win. We need to think about that kind of stuff and and just try to be better in and there, you know, play calling and just and being you know, an imaginative a little bit. And they don't do that as well. It's very vanilla. And as to Amber's point, you know here, but the only reason Kelen Moore has ever been an NFL quarterback is because Scott Linahan pulled him from Detroit and put him on the team and the team was so bad because Romo got hurt that he got to play, and

he's played. He's probably the only reason he was on the staff. So yeah, I think there's something to be said for you. They must have something, you know, that that's linked together. I just hope he may think that he's just smart and he's a good coach, I hope, and he understands a sport. That doesn't necessarily mean that if he were calling the plays he would do it the same way, right, it doesn't, But it's just it's just something that doesn't really get you excited at this point.

It's not as such a drastic change to where you would expect a big change in the whole offense and the play calling. So I do wish him the best, and I hope he's if he is given that promotion, I do hope he's able to turn things around. But at this point, it's nothing that gets me off my

chair jumping around and doing anything different. And one a few weeks ago I had asked Nick, I'm like, okay, when you start analyzing teams in the NFL, example, the Patriots and what they've been able to do for so many years, be so constant, and that's keeping in mind that players come and go. I was asking you, what what are they doing? Because I don't watch enough games but you know that, um, they got a great quarterback

over there, there's absolutely no doubt exactly. But aside from that, I mean, what are some of the guys some of the things that from you watching the Patriots that they they've been able to accomplish year after year and just kind of make it happen what he just said, which first, it's so it's a waste of time to try to if we could all be the Patriots would be a great example in a bad example. It's very very everybody

can't know. Nobody in the league can't. I will you know, there's a thousand reasons why they are the way they are. But going back to Nick's point, the one thing that they do so well that any team could learn from, and a lot of teams do, is that they adapt

themselves to their opponent's weaknesses. And that's per game and per season, like six years ago, within games yeah well no, yeah, but I mean six years ago they were winning with two tight ends and they you know that everybody thought that was going to be like a revolution in the league, and it was for a little bit, and then they were like, okay, one of these guys as a murderer. Well, we'll switch our team up. That's fine, and now like now they're back in the super Bowl. Matter of fact,

what I mean, Am I wrong? No, it's absolutely right, Dave. So just your way of saying it. I love the way you see it. They go. They go from dominating the league with two tight ends and now now now what are they doing. They're they you know, they can line you up five wide with Brady and the shotgun, or they've now got a stable of running backs when from Corey Dillon all the way until now, like they were running forty year old Kevin Falk out there for

like six years. Like they just adapt and they ever look the same. Like I said, week by week they switch that up. They can go power at you, they can go spread at you. And they do it based upon This goes back to Nick's original point too. They do it based upon what you do well. Because if you watch it Patriots game every single week, the first one thing you can count on every single time you watch the Patriots, whoever the opposing player is that's really

really good. He's not gonna have a great day. I know that from watching from playing fantasy, like they're gonna shut that guy down and say, now you gotta beat us with your second guy. That guy's not gonna have a great day. Can you do that? And that means every week they have to adapt their game plan and their personnel to be able to stop a particular player and then say, now, with what's left, can you figure it out? And most teams cannot consistently figure it out.

So basically, not we do what we do, name it faceless. It's exactly the opposite. It's exactly the opposite of philosophy that the coach says publicly. Now I don't know, maybe behind the scenes they do something differently, but what he says publicly it's exactly a different philosophy than what they Jason Garrett's mantra is like, if we do what we want to do, you know, to the best of our abilities, they can't stop us, whereas Belichick is like, hasn't worked out,

they're pretty good at stopping that. So we're gonna do something completely different. And that's I mean, that's that's the essence of football, in my opinion. It's like having a countermeasure to their best, Like that's like the essence of the game really, So that rules, Like the Patriots I mean, I don't know if there be. They've been though. They've broken a few, they've broken, they've broken a few, miss broken a few. Miss me, miss me with the cheating talk,

like you don't. I'm sorry. You know that's fine that you don't have to buy into it. But it'sn't true. It's true cheating talk. I should they've been rules, they figure out ways to get around stuff. They've broken rules. Okay, it's documented at least twice. At least twice. Everybody cheats, but he's done, but not every doing grazing nine super bowls, and you can cheat on accident. The quarterback, not the

quarterback cheat on accident. Also, Tom Brady, you don't find him in like the guy that makes the most money in the league. No, because he's past all that. He's like okay, I know. And they also got a very wealthy wife, like there are help. It helps the whole family. And that's I mean, it's like wife, it's bringing in a little too. There's a hundred thousand trust me, here's one hundred thousand reasons why the Patriots are where they are.

Like it's dumb to even try to compare it step by step, but you can start with big, obvious examples like the one we just talked about that could probably help you be more successful. Who's next? Though, Like, who's after that? You know, people always like to say, well, look at the Patriots are well who's next? Who does it? Who has been consistent like that? Who? No, I was gonna say, let's take a break and then come back.

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Mortgage studios at the Star We're talking Cowboys football. We've been talking about this coaching staff and Nick, just before the break, you had a question you wanted to throw out there. What's your question? Well, we were just talking about obviously what the Patriots have done on a completely a different level. But you know, when you're talking about other teams that have done it well on a consistent basis, continuity is also a big deal. And and and Jerry loves continuity,

you know. And don't think it doesn't matter. Don't think it doesn't This team hasn't has drafted well because there is continuity in what Will McClay wants to do. He knows what Jason Garrett wants, and their staff they know what they want. It's working as far as drafting goes. Other teams doing it, I mean other teams that consistent.

We mentioned well, Saints, well, we mentioned we mentioned teams like the Steelers, like the Packers, like Seahawks, And to be honest with you, there's one thing that I think is in common with all of those. It is number one, they've got a really good quarterback. And number two, the continuity is between the quarterback and the head coach. There are a lot of other pieces that change. They'll change coordinators. They'll change other skill players on the team, They'll change

other you know, other pieces on the team. But what stays consistent on all three of those teams is their quarterback and their head coach have stayed pretty much the same. Now the Packers are changing their head coach, we'll see if that if that kind of reasserts their their consistency, because obviously this year was a little bit of an anomaly for them. But that all being said, again, the quarterback the head coach makes a difference. I mean, sorry,

I was going to ask a different question. Well, you know what I was going to ask one two that I've been thinking for the last few weeks. You said, quarterback and head coach. Can you think of the greatest head coaches in the history of the game? Belichick? Okay, the best coaches, every name, best coaches, A Lombardi All Sorry, not of course, Landry Landry Law Yeah, every coach, Uh Parcels, forget that, I'm getting there. But the thing about it

is he's the only one. Bill Parcels is the only coach that is considered a great coach that didn't really have a Hall of Fame quarterback. Everybody that you would ever call it to be a great coach has had a great quarterback. Maybe it's the other way around, maybe the great quarterbacks because it's a great coach either way. The classic that is a really good parselves now blo. Now he also moved around a lot to he made a Hall of Fame career out of kind of jumping.

I know that he didn't. I know he didn't play in that Super Bowl. But Parcels had sims for a while. I mean, he's not a Hall of Fame He's pretty good though. He's a good player. He's good. He was a really really good player. But he wasn't. He wasn't Hall of Fame worthy and Bledsoe has all these other guys were talking about, sure their quarterbacks were in the Hall of Fame. I get it. Yeah. So it's just they kind of go hand in hand. That's what I was trying. It's a good point for Parcels. What was

the drop? What was he saying? Mickey, Mickey? What would you what would you okay, not including the Patriots, what would you say? What would you say of in the most consistently good teams in the NFL over the last like ten or so years, Pittsburgh, I got, I got Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Green Bay, and Denver pulled up right now, I would say Seattle, oh, oh, Seattle is a good one. Hang on because ten years yeah, last ten years say yeah, um,

I'm missing anybody would missing anybody here? Mean the Seahawks. The Seahawks are probably a good example because so all right, starting when Carol and them took over, they had two losing seasons and they haven't had one since. Everybody else is a good resume, everybody else is Uh. Pittsburgh's gone eight and eight two times in that span. They went nine six and one. This year Green just went six nine and one. They had an eight seven and one

when Rogers got hurt. Uh. Point being like, the best teams in the league are going to have down years, well, they pale in comparison to what the Patriots have done. Absolutely freaking The Patriots have been to the Super Bowl nine of the last eighteen years. Half I'm talking in a late in a league of thirty two teams, half of the last eighteen years they've been to the top, to the game to win a championship. And if you

go back to the last fifteen or seventeen years, eighteen years? Um, how many Hall of Famers are going to be from the Patriots? One for sure out of Son? Well two okay, Brady Gronk Bronk for sure. That's it? Unill well, I mean, well, are we we're talking technically? Randy Moss is a Hall of Fame? Is lawyer Malloya in the finalist this year? Maybe he might be a guy that can get in, saying, um n they all was there for a little bit.

Rodney Harrison count No, he's charger. Rodney Harrison's probably not a Hall of Fame, or is he? Uh no, oh yeah, if Darren Woodson's not a Hall of Fame, No, I don't think so. They don't have the offensive lineman. They just William mc ginnis might get in maybe at some point. Oh no, there's another defensive lineman that's finals too. Um no, no, no defensive lineman. Umm, will might get into. Yeah. Still not going to be a super long list. Yeah, no,

you're right, And it's a good point. It's a good point. It's just it's just the and that's what they've done in the free agency era is unbelievable. It just really is. It's it's remarkable, and it's it puts all these other coaches of like, why can't you be like that? I mean they're just they're just on a different level. But yeah, maybe they guess something else going on. Okay, maybe maybe good for them. I mean it's working right whatever that word?

You know what I would win? I was driving down the highway yesterday and you know those signs that that oh yeah, you'd buckle up and all that. You know what? They tweeted it out. Yeah, and then Darren Velt picked it up and and tweeted it and what is it? Finished the sentence? Then what does your tires flat? As a Patriots football call? Whatever the number is? How that just seems in Dallas? But seven years later, five years later, No,

it's just people. It's just people that are looking at the super Bowl like the super Bowl is a big event. I want to get my piece of it. So here's my going to cause a wreck? Because you're like, what what did I Why don't they do that? Like they I the one that I don't drink and drive and just move on. No, but no, I think it's great. Like during the holidays, they were like the sign said was like you don't want to see your in laws anyway,

slow down, drive safe or something. And I was like, yeah, okay, smart not for me, but it's a good one. Yeah. But they have jokey jokes like that. No, I think it's it's running those I got one good, I got good. I wonder if they ever step over the line, you know how you a social media person, like you step over the line where it's like, oh, you're gonna get five whoa, whoa. No, don't don't say that. Yeah, yeah, I can guarantee you like I'm gonna put this around right. No. Yeah,

that's a bad idea. It just speaks I don't think it speaks to the Super Bowl. I really think it just speaks to how much people hate the Patriots, Like, oh, yeah, everybody hates the Patriots. If you're not a Patriots fan, you hate the Patriots. But guess what, I don't hate that. That's the same thing that you that most people say about the Cowboys and would say about most big franchises

that have had a sustained period of success. It's because over that period people start to say, I just don't want I want to see anybody win but them, And so if you're not a fan, then you become an anti fan, you know. So it is what it is, all right? Let me let me ask this real going back to what you started talking about, Nick, the whole correlation between the head coach and the quarterback. Now that you got Dak Prescott and in three of his first

years here, they've made it to the playoffs. Three in the first years, two of those they made it to the playoffs. Does this start a new clock for Garrett? Or you're still running the same clock? Wait? Say again, they explain that to me, Explain to me what you're asking. Well, now that he got a young quarterback, new one, he's proven in three years out of those three he's they've

been able to get to the playoffs twice. And whether you'd like Dak or not, or you hate him and you think he sucked, they still made it to the playoffs twice. Does having this and seeing what they've been able to do in three years start a new different clock on Jason Garrett? Or you're still running they asked me? Yeah, ask me, has gotten a new contract yet? Yeah, that's

a good point. If if he starts a new contract, then yes, But which well that it's fascinating because you know, before the season even ended, the rappaports of the world were reporting that those conversations were going to ramp up and maybe they will, like Jeff Sullivan had Yeah, you're right, he did. Uh Jeff Sullivan had it in October yea, um, maybe he does. And there's no and he's nobody still believes that too. He's like, hey, this is happening. There's

no parameters for coaches. You know, we know when DeMarcus Lawrence needs to have a new contract by like, there's no time limit on Jason Garrett, but other than by the end of next year, right, No, I'm just like, they could sign it today, they could do it in three months, so I don't know. But if he goes in the next season without a deal, then hell no, that's where he's win or you might not be. Right now, we're having the same conversation we were having last year.

Now a week from now, he might be on a five year deal and that's a pretty telling indicator that he's got more time. And by the way, let's also remember they did an improbable thing this year. They got to the playoffs after starting three and five. If they didn't turn that around. It's my personal belief that we would have already seen them make a move at the head coach. I don't I don't think Garret would have stuck around if they would have continued on the track

they were on at three and five. Let's say they end at six and ten, I don't think he comes back. So that to me says that it didn't set a new clock. It's about what are you doing right now? And I think he probably bought himself a year or two with what they did this year getting back three and five. Well, but let them let them blow it

next year. And I think all bets are we should have We should have talked about this when we were more knee deep in the Kellen Moore stuff, because hey, maybe he is getting maybe he is getting a new deal. But it's interesting that that's they're higher because I mean, if Jason Garrett's getting a new contract, then you can

go get whoever you want. If Jason Garrett's going to play out the rest of this deal and he doesn't have a long term future, it hinders your ability to go get some oc to come in here and not know what it's Yeah, and I don't know this for sure. I would not be surprised at all if Jason Garrett gets an extension this offseason. But to me, it kind of says, all right, let's let's try this young hotshot out, see what y'all can do, and hope for your sake

that it's good. Like that doesn't Isn't that hope? Hope it works out? Guys? Isn't that kind of how that sounds to you? Like? Am I crazy for thinking that? That's logical to me? And so we'll see im And I don't know. Maybe Garrett will get an extension, but I kind of feel like we would have heard more about it. Maybe not though well that I think there's still is that possibility, mainly because I believe him talking, him not talking to Nick. You were there last week.

I believe him not talking last week. I think there are a lot of layers to that, and I think one of those layers could be he doesn't know what his own status is, and I don't mean from the standpoint of necessarily getting fired, but he doesn't know like he might be getting a contract extension. If he gets to contract extension, maybe it changes how he looks at being able to go and get a new OC. If he doesn't, then he's sticking with the options that he

has here. No, that's the point, like they don't have there is no timetable other than by the end of next season, by the end of nineteen is is contract is up right, So at that point then there's a timetable because he's basically free agent and you don't have you don't have franchise tax for head coaches, so he's a free aging do whatever where he wants to. But before he didn't get his last extension until after the

conclusion of his last year, which was fourteen. Like we right, But the point, but the point is, at that point he could walk. He doesn't have to take your off right, so he can go out and just bid this services out. And if and if what Jerry said earlier this offseason, which is if he'd have been out on the market

this year, he'd have gotten five offers. And how you're bidding against other teams, maybe it's a lot harder to get him back for the money that you want to get him back for because some team is just like, hey, we'll throw more money at him because we feel like we really can get some value of what he brings, you know, Yeah, all right, here we go. Let's talk a little bit of season and review. We're gonna go back and look at twenty nineteen, and I have a

list of questions here. There are six questions, And feel free, as we do in all of these instances, if there's a name that you want to throw in, feel free to throw it in for discussion sake. But I'd like to stick with the names I have here because I thought about him and I think I have a good list here. All right, Okay, so let's start a question. Number one player who most exceeded expectations in twenty eighteen Byron Jones or Layton Vanderesh. Layton Vanderesh exceeded my expectations.

But I don't know how you can't say Byron Jones. I mean, I'm Layton played great. I think there was a lot of doubt about that pick. He deserves a lot of credit, But I mean, you know, we were we were labeling buyer and a bust or a disappointment or whatever you want to call it, and he got to a Pro Bowl. I've answered this and after a position change, Yeah, I'm gonna go. I think it's Laton though, I really do. I at first when you said Byron,

I was like, how's it gonna be anybody else? But but the fact that that Layton is like an All Pro player, he was second team All Pro and as a rookie, he he was just unbelievable and he had I mean, think about it. Now, he's played linebacker two years in his life and one year Boys State in one year, and the year of Boys State got him to a first round pick, the year the Coloys got him to All Pro. I just think that was at

the limit. I don't have a problem with that. But I mean, again, you know, he's a first round pick. He's a rookie, like he's a fresh you know, he's a he's a block of clay that hasn't been molded. Like who knows what your expectations are? Like some people had low expectations, some people had high where as a Byron, he got benched at the end of the last season and then they changed his position and a lot of people thought it wasn't gonna work out. And he's a

pro bowler now. So I'm fine with either one. Garcia, Yeah, either one or good options. And I would I would go with Byron though, because like and he was new, he's something new, exciting. You have all the high expectations and hopes for him, and he exceeded them, which was great. But at the same time, when you go back to looking at Byron and his status playing corner, then back to safety, then back to corner. So the fact that he was able to turning it around, yeah, okay, and

that's that's true. But if I had to tell you one of those two guys is gonna kind of have a drop off next year, I think everyone would probably say Byron because you actually started to see a little bit of it. Yeah, he didn't play as well towards the earl year, So I don't like calling the fluke or one year deal. I don't like calling that at all. But I'm just saying I feel like Layton is kind of here to stay a little bit, and that is just surprising after one year that he is just so

dominant like that. But two great choices though we don't know well, I mean, if you will name me a guy finally, the guy that played well, yeah, no, but I still want him on the field for my most important play of the season on third and eight. Yeah, I'd like to have kind of you, the kind I mean and not to me. We don't know what the long term future holds for Byron, but I would fair to guess that we've got four more years of Layton playing at a pretty good level. So at least, yeah,

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be on the field with America's team. Find steps and hats in the pro Shop or at Stetson dot Com. Today. Back to the break, Welcome back to the final segment of the show, Live from the s WBC Bortgage Studios. At the Start, Nick tell us about Tommy John you know, Tommy John is not like an offensive coordinator because Tommy John, there's no adjustment needed. You don't really need to make these on the fly. So this would be perfect for

Jason Garrett. Yeah, because you just go in to just go and do what we do, do what you doing. We don't adjust anything. We're gonna be good. We're meaning so Tommy John Army dot com for Yeah, he went there. I was just talking about in any offensive coach, offensive coordinator David Hellman might be one. Tommy John dot com

Forward Slice Cowboys. You get twenty percent off your first order, and we've been doing this for a while, so I wonder what it's like for the second and third order, because I bet you we have some listeners that have gone back to the well yep, making some adjustments there. There you go mark adjustments to your underwear order, but not your underwear themselves. Exactly know what I mean. You're like, I need more of these, I'm gonna adjust, but not

my actual underwear. Yeah, and we can make an adjustment too. Maybe Dave can read these from now on. So why I don't know, I like, because I'm why don't we wait till the beginning of the of the the coundar or the NFL year, And yeah, we'll flip it and then you start back over from one on your show count. Yeah, and when we do that, we're at one fourteen where

we get to eighteen. Uh. The year will be up at the end of March, so you mid March going two rounds in the playoffs, probably you know, spiked it up a little bit. Huh uh. Yeah, we did a few more shows, and we probably would do otherwise. Ask me some questions. All right, we go our next question, which player's absence was a greater loss? Travis Frederick or

Jason Witten. It has to be Travis Frederick because as much as I love Jason Witten, by the end of his career he was not the best player in the NFL at his position. Travis Frederick was. And I love Joe Looney, He's one of the feel good stories of the season for how well he played. But we're talking about a team that like you, We're gonna line up and run right at you and do what we do well. You need a guy like Travis Frederick to do that. He gets to the second level unlike anybody I've ever seen.

He cuts defenses in half. He takes linebackers out of plays effortlessly, and for the Cowboys to run things the way they want to, you need him. I mean that's Hey. This offense doing a lot of the same stuff with the same offensive coordinator was top five in the league in twenty sixteen, and a lot of that is because their offensive line play was far and away better than it has been the last two years. So Arca, Travis Frederick, it has to be Jason, okay, and I don't disagree.

I don't disagree with everything that Dave said, but at the same time, I mean they were able to do a good job still handle the situation with Joe Looney in there as a backup, and he gave me everything I would expect from a backup. He was able to hold it down and Jason wouldn't. Although he was declining towards the end of last year, he was still I think he would have still be able to provide you some some production on the field, especially with the connection

that he had with Dak. Dad would be able to find him and it was always like a how do you say this? A comfortable throw, you know, And I think he would have definitely helped in the red zone. I don't think the Cowboys would have struggled as much.

And aside from having him there, I mean, even with having him there, that would have also opened things up for them in the red zone to whether if it was not a shot directly to Jason, it could have been to Amari or somebody else, or maybe Zeke would have been better at running the ball in there, even though the Cowboys didn't really put much effort in that. But at the end of the day, I would say Jason both great points red zone as he wouldn't would

have helped there. Frederick would have helped there as well. Um, I I think it's Frederick, though it's close. I think Frederick because just how great he was and Looney he played well, but they did give up a lot of sacks, and so gun to your head. Who's more likely to be named in All Pro if they'd played twenty eighteen? I mean, why, why would have to be aggressive? All right? Forget your imagine your gun to my head, forget the gun. Just with as few words as possible, Yeah, it was

more likely. Yeah, Okay, Frederick was a better player at that point in his career. I get that. Yeah, I get that. That's not always the answer because it's like, how much was how much was the drop off? Joe Looney had been an All Pro, but he, you know, was the drop off greater? I mean with jar One and Schultz running around trying to make plays. Given the chance. I Travis Frederick, if fully healthy and not dealing with with gian Barre is probably he's no worse than the

fourth best player on this entire team, or fifth. I mean Tyrn, Zach, DeMarcus, Zeke, and Travis like that, those are probably the five. So give me one of the five best players on my roster. I'll okay, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Travis there, all right, Next question, more underutilized weapon Cole Beasley or Tavon Austin. Oh, well, it's got what. I haven't check Tavon's Twitter, but it's it's cold. I know how cold would vote him. It's Tavon by default, but that's he was just out for

so long. No, I get that. I guess I'm the point of what I'm saying because even even before he went out, they forgot how much did we talk about every week? Like how do they get this guy get more involved. They need to use in more in offense. What are they doing. I'm gonna remember that. I'm just I'm gonna remember. And it's not necessarily Tavon's fault. I don't have any beef with him. I would resign him

for the right price. I would too. I'm gonna remember this when people get up in arms about offseason talking points, because we were talking about how Tavon could theoretically touch the ball anywhere from eight to twelve times a game. Yeah, he might have touched at twelve times all year. It felt like, so just keep all that stuff in mind when we're going over Ota storylines. You know, the reality is often not the offseason hype. We were talking about

this before the show, like kole Yah. Yeah, he disappeared at times. In half of their games, he got targeted left less than five times, which seems far too few, especially to say that his average for the year was five targets per game, which means if he was under five, there was a lot of games where he was probably in the eight to ten range, or at least half the games where he's in that range. At the same time, in a run happy offense with an all Pro running back?

How many? And as the third receiver? How many more? He finished? Sixty five catches? Like? How many more does he reasonably expect to get? Right? So I do agree that he disappeared at times, but that's about the resume that I would expect him to have in this all in that role. Yeah, I don't mean to like change your your different answer there. Oh yeah, it's a jazz answer. Yeah, but um, I think the most underutilized aspect was Dak's running. I would go with that. Did I say underutilized aspect?

Would you say Nick plays by his own? What did you play? Play? Well? Then? That that press here? Now he said if we could find a better one, we could go ahead. Okay Tavon, yeah he could have been. He was hurt for what five games? Yeah? So oh that's a good point. I like your point. That's a good one. Um, but both of them are good. I mean, I just don't it got to the point where nobody trusted that they were going to use Tavon that way.

And who did they play at the end? Oh Seattle, you know, seeing locket and you're like, man, that's what you want Tavon to be. But they just don't use it, and you're right. I mean, when Cole caught seventy five passes, it was like, look what he can do. He needs more money and all that. Now I caught sixty five passes. I mean, okay, that's I mean, you got Coop, you got Zeke, and then you probably won't Gallup came on. But then they say Beasley is the third option. Sixty

five catches. I think in twenty sixteen when he was so good, I think he only had seventy five, so he had ten more catches. I think ten and eleven are open next year. I think I think those jerseys are both. Okay, well, that's actually the next question. That's actually that's actually the next question. I will say this, I think hindsight, I don't need your had Ward. I would rather have Switzer. I've come full circle. I'm saying I would I would rather have Bryan Switzer on the

on the team he got. Beasley got targeted eleven more times in sixteen, so over the court. So what that's like one extra target a game? Yeah, a little less? Yes? All right, So both those guys being considered, do you want if they're both gonna be a free agent, they're both gonna be free agents. Do you want to keep one both or neither. But let me also clarify the switcher. He's not better player than Cole Beasley. I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is Cole's a free agent.

He obviously has made it clear he wants to get a lot of money, and I think it might be a time to kind of move on. They had Switzer here and they wanted to get better with Tavon. They didn't really do that. And now you know, I thought Switzer was kind of a decent role player for for Pittsburgh. So to answer the question, I'm not bringing Tavon back Beasley really, no, why, I just I don't not even as a return guy. No, I don't remember what I mean. I just said it a few a few minutes. The

dancing just really bothered That bothered him all. I thought y'all would catch. But I said he was hurt for five games this year. I know he missed ten, but I said he's hurt for five and he I just know. I don't think he's I don't think no. And yes, you know what, where they're smoked, there's fire literally, so I don't sing bothered now it did, It's fine, it absolutely bothered. I think they're you know, the alarms went off at the end of the season on that situation.

I think I hear you. I hear you loud and clear. Ah. I feel it feels harsh to say I don't want Cole Beasley back. I think he's the hell of a player. I think he's underrated. I think he could be outstanding in another offense. Like there's I have no doubt about that, and I think there's a better chance he comes back with Lenehan being gone. Like, there's no beef between him and Dak that I'm aware of. They love each other. The thing Like, so you're applying that there is beef

between him and Lenehan. I think he made that pretty obvious, didn't he. I mean, I'm just I'm from like October onward. That's so. I did a radio hit yesterday with somebody in DC and they're like, oh, Beasley was on Twitter last week. I was like, Beasley's been on Twitter since September. Man like his whole career. He went back from London. He was, Yeah, he was. He's at some moments, some memorable moments until his wife too. Yeah, they go in. He's been a waiter for a while. If you can get,

if you can get the god I can't. I can't. So I just caught that after you said it. It took me a second, But go ahead, if you could get if you could get him back on a team friendly deal, I'd be fine with it. And I feel harsh saying this because I do think he's a good player, but like I'm I'm down to upgrade that position. And basically what I mean by that is like there's no rule in the NFL that says your slot receiver is only effective within ten yards of the line of scrimmage.

Like that's not that's not a thing. Like I know Cowboys have had that guy for so long it feels like a thing. Juju Smith Shuster is a slot receiver. Jarvis Landry is a slot receiver. Like these guys exist who can be dynamic within ten yards of the line or downfield, and I'm all about getting one of those. But that's also precisely why, in my opinion, I don't think you go out and get a slot receiver. I think what you give is you can play in a

slot and outside. Cooper here you go and move them around and make defenses have to adjust to the fact that you don't know what they're gonna lie, which is why I sorry. If they they'll draft a tight end, they will do it, But I don't care about getting him in the second round. Just get one, because I'll take Jarwin and Schultz and they can do their thing. And again, a badass slot receiver or a badass receiver who can play in the slot will be far more of a friend to Dak than a tight end in

my opinion. Ye in my opinion, yep, Amber one boat, one vote or neither. Who's in free agency. They're just so close to each other. I mean, I don't know, there's nothing else to say than everything they've said already. But one of the like cold Bleasley, he doesn't want to be here anymore. He's over it. He's ready to move on. Tavon. I would love to have him back, but unfortunately did not see anything this season to where it would give me hope that the Cowboys would be

able to Utili. Yeah, but let me ask you this, because I think you guys are kind of glossing over the idea that he was a much better option as a return guy than anything else you had on this team. And even if you brought him back for the purposes of being your main return guy, that still has value

in my opinion. Now, maybe he's not willing to take that contract that comes with that, but I think that has value, and I would, at the very least, if I'm the Cowboys try to resign him for that purpose alone, I will. I don't think it's fair to say Beasley doesn't want to be here. I think about that. I think Beasley wants to be appreciated, Like Beasley wants to be, maybe not a focal point, but a guy who is not an afterthought. And he could maybe be that here

if the money's right or maybe not. Yeah, but at this time, if it doesn't feel I appreciate it, doesn't he's got it. He's got a better chance of getting what he wants somewhere else. I will, And I actually, I personally believe there will be other teams out in the free agent market that are willing to pay him

closer to what he wants than the Cowboys. Where's a list out there somewhere that says he's one of the top five available free agents in the Cole Beasley in my opinion, and I think the Cowboys let him go do that. I agree with that, which is why I and I'm all about bringing Tavon back mainly because of price. Like he could he's the closest thing you have to a dynamic returner. He can do some of that slot stuff. Not going to command huge money on the free agent one.

That's I think you can get him back relatively cheaply. His injury history, his lack of really being able to find a true position, bring him back very cheaply to be my fifth or sixth receiver slash return guy. I'm fine with that. Ye all right, um, next question, who's more in need of backup support? Rod Smith? And I'm talking about the position and the player, right running back with Rod Smith, linebacker with Damian Wilson, or safety with Cavon Frasier. Were they more in need of backup support?

They need to upgrade the backup person? Oh boy, well you know safety? Well? Actually starting go ahead, Nick, Well, I mean I still this is about time you want to talk about the starter. I want to talk about the backup they don't need. They don't need backup help at safety. They need starter because they're going to get a good backup. Okay, so let's weed that one, that one out or Heath Yeah, let's okay, good point. Let's leave leave that one out because I know where you're

going with that. We'll talk about that later. They need to running back, running back or linebacker. With Damian Wilson and Rod Smith running back running back. One look at the Super Bowl. I mean, look, who's who's gonna be the best running back in the game. Girly, girly you think, yes, I'm out at his back up? I'm putting my house on it. Yes, okay, but no, I'm not who's the best running No, who's gonna be the best one in that game? It will be Girly. Girly has two weeks

to be He'll be fine, he'll be ready. I get it. But I'm just saying C. J. Anderson has a role. The Patriots have seventeen backs that they were they run got it. But I'm saying you got it, Okay. They don't get there without it, don't get there. They don't get there. To say is that it's okay to have the best running back in the game, and and I also have a good backup. And the saying, what are you saying, I'm saying, he's not a running back? Oh,

he's really not, Like what is he? He's a good player, but he's he's he's tall, He's not really a dynamic type of running back. I know I want to get I want to draft one in the fifth round. And he wanted him to be earlier than that third. Yeah, I'll do that. I got other needs for that, Sure you do. But honestly, I believe it by the end of this season, I believe they had beaten up, They'd beaten Zeke to death. I think I think Zeke was.

He was kind of at the point where it just he didn't have the same juice I think by the end tough and but and it's because of the mouth that they used him. And I think that if you're smart in today's NFL, you need to have two quality backs that can that you can take one out and put the other one in and you don't lose a whole lot by doing it. And fact the matter is, you look at some of the really good teams and you brought up in the break the Saints. Saints got

really good again when they got Kamara. They already had a running back that was a really good running back, Roll Bowl Running, Yes, exactly. But they went out and got Kamara, and Kamara added a whole different dimension to their offense. To me, that's how I look at this. You can have a great running back, you give me another another running back that has that kind of dynamic ability, and you will make your offense infinitely better. I bet, I'll bet, I'll bet a paycheck that they upgrade their

backup running back position the offseason. And that's a key position for him, Like we know, when they don't have a good running back in there, they just completely crash yep. Which and I wrote about that actually yesterday shameless plug. They do have other needs, but I really think this roster is uniquely positioned, like they have enough talent in

enough places that they can afford to do that. If the best guy on their board in the third round or even the second round is a running back, I think they would do it, because this is as few holes they have on the starting lineup as they've had

in a long long time. Yep. And I think I think if he had another backup spot that needs to be addressed, and maybe he'll be a starter, But I think defensive tackle is something they need to be looking at as well, just because you know, they didn't have Irving's not going to be a part of this, and they had the Daniel Rosses and guys like that. But

you know, not too early to start, you don't. You don't know what the future is going to be the next few years, about Tyrone Crawford and Malite Collins and Antoine Woods and all that. Just keep them coming, keep getting these young guys in there a defensive tackle. How many more questions do you have? I just I had guessing we only got to like three out of ten. No, no, no, we got to five of the six, and there was one that was gonna be like multiple questions, So we'll

save that one. Okay, we gotta We're already over time. But I do want to ask this last question. Hopefully done too long, but a better chance of being here three years from now, Taco Charlton or Jordan Lewis. Oh did I just introduced a whole new show? Maybe? Well? I think I think Taco has the better chance just because of his contract, Like he's got the first and he's a first round pick. You're probably not gonna cut

a first round pick, you could trade him. Not that I think they're gonna cut Jordan, but I said three years, so that would be at the time when they would give him a fifth year option, and all that kicks in, right, So it's it's that would have said Byron Jones is out, but right options, so you never know. You never know, and that's that's why it's it is not fair or right to call Taco a bust based on what we just saw with Byron. It is fair to say he

is not a hit. You know what I like you see, Well, no, he's not a hit because if you hit Layton vander Esch just made a Pro Bowl as a rookie. Zach Martin has never not been all Pro. So you're saying Byron's not a hit. Byron's not a Hittitron just salvaged his draft stock, he became a good player. He's not a hit. You only got one Pro Bowl season out of him in four years. Like that's he's not a hit. Zach Martin is a hit, a Grand Slam. So Taco is not a hit. That doesn't mean he's not a bust.

I mean it doesn't mean he's a bust, but he's got Work's got to be an in between between a bust and a hit. I mean a little touch butt, a butt like a butt. He's a walk right now. He looks double a single. I don't know, triple whiff right now, the whiff, he's a strikeout. If you're a first round pick and you're a healthy scratch in your second year, there's I can't defend that. Yeah, and I was a big defender of Taco, But that means that

means they didn't want you on the field. Yeah, there's not that they didn't just give you a few like they didn't want if they made you a healthy strategy, didn't want you on the field. Although I will say, and I think the world of Jordan Lewis as a guy and as a player, but the guy that's calling the defense does not favor his style of play, for lack of a better way to phrase it. So it's an interesting question. I don't I don't really know for sure.

I wouldn't be surprised. I would not be surprised if one or both of them doesn't finish their contract here. Yeah, wait, and I don't know anything, Like I don't mean to speculate it, but we'll see. They're both in a precarious situation right now. You would think just because of the lack of opportunities that they got this year, that does signal something, right. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys.

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