Cowboys Break: Who’s Better Than Dak?

for another edition of The Break. Got Nick, Dave and Amber along with me. We're talking some Cowboys football with you guys for the next hour. Man, we got a lot to get into talking about. We'll talking about quarterbacks today. I think yesterday we've spent quite a bit of time talking about the running back situation in Zeke Elliott. Uh and I just think we spend a little time on this quarterback. Lots of things to talk about there. How's

everybody feeling this morning? I feel great, feel comfortable. Nice. It's sixty three degrees here. Hey, it's better than Dallas. It's great for the players Cowboys. All right, Well, let's jump right in. Nick. Hey, actually just like we did yesterday, We're gonna start. We're gonna start with a segment of blanket coverage. That's what I call this segment. What I'll do is I'll have some statements for you. We got three states, we got three statements, and they're all gonna

have a blank that you guys will fill in. Let's start with the first statement. Kellen Moore is the first time Now this one's a little long, so follow me here. Kellen Moore is the first time offensive coordinator with a ton of weapons. John Kitton is the first year QB coach task with taking back to the next level. The coach who has the harder job is blank, Dave Kellen Moore, Because I mean John kittnas he said it more times than I can count at this point. Like Dak is,

he said. Dak is the most driven player he's ever been around. His desire to be great is all consuming and refreshing, and he wants to be coached and pushed. So I mean, it's you know, it's hard. I get that, but that doesn't sound that challenging. Whereas Kellen Moore's got to do something with an offense that finished twenty eight second in the League last year ever, Kellen, I mean, when you look at it, Kinna essentially has to coach one main guy. Yes, he has to coach whoever the

backtub is gonna be. But that's important too, very very important. Don't lose that, don't lose very important. Yes, But in essence, you're focusing on one to three guys versus Kellen Moore, who's having to take control of a whole offense and dealing with different components and making sure that he's creating something different that we haven't seen before. Not to which I mean Nick needs to answer the question too. But Kelly Moore's gotta make he's got to make this thing go.

And there's a lot of talent on that offense, which means there's a lot of people who have an idea about the way it should be, whether that's dad and when someone else's job is on your shoulder. But he also is dealing with a lot of guys, at least in my perspective, aren't necessarily give me the ball kind of guys. No, they all want they all want to be a part, don't get me wrong, But I don't know if you've got guys that are give me the ball, No, like you make not so much. Sometimes you have that

much talent, Give me the ball. But that didn't work. This would have worked, which a lot of times this would have worked. Means it would have worked if you'd gotten to the ball. But Nick, it's Kellen Moore because last year the offense struggled, and what happened the offensive coordinator got fired, or what happened the quarterback coach got a promotion, so Kellen Moore moved into a spot. And so it is. It's obviously the pressure is on Kellen

Moore now is the offensive coordinator. If they don't do well, he may not be the guy. But John Kittenham, for some reason, as the quarterback coach, just like Kellen did, got a promo motion out of it. So I think Jerry and Jason and they look at it, like you know, there's obviously a lot more pressure for the offensive coordinator, and I think last year was a good example of that. All right. Statement Number two, Shaun Lee reportedly asked to

be a special teams player entering his tenth season. Sean Lee is blank. I'm not going to agree with that. Okay, I don't think Sean Lee asked to be a special teams player. I think Sean I think Sean Lee has said I'll do what it takes, whatever is needed of Okay, Okay, I just want to get out there. I think that's yeah. I think you could probably say the same thing about moving to Sam linebacker too. Okay, but let's okay, Let's say Sean Lee has agreed and he's willing to be

a special teams player in his tenth season. Shan Lee is blank nick, all in, all in for this football team. He whatever it takes. Sean Lee is there. And I know that there was a lot of talk about, Hey, he lives in California. He wanted to go go back to Dallas just so he could take the charter, and he said to us yesterday, I want to get on these charters as long as I can those charters. This is when the football team is together and going up there. He's all in. He knows Layton and m Jalen are

the two best linebackers on the team. He wants to have a role, and he understand it. I just think it's all in, Dave. I just suck up to Jason Garrett and say driven les driven, which that can mean a lot of I mean, he's he's been driven to be great at football since he was, like, what at

fourteen years old? But I think, you know, I think i'll use a Brian broadest term too, like he's he's chipping in on seventeen or eighteen, like his his career is much closer to the end than the beginning, and wouldn't surprise me if this is the final year of his career or you know, it's close. And I think he knows this is a really talented team and rather than worry about his ego, he's gonna he's driven to do whatever he can to help them. I really admire it.

Shan Lee is blank Amber. He's awesome. I love him. I love Slee. He's passionate, he's smart, he is driven, he's focused, he loves this game. He is a great teammate and like every both of them have said, he would do anything for this team. And the fact that he's not selfish and still does it with good heart. You know, you don't see any animosity. I don't even know if that's the right words, but he sounds right.

He doesn't have any hate or envy towards anybody. He's just a great teammate, and I think that's exactly what the Cowboys needed, especially at this time. And he's he's amazing. All right, let's move on statement number three. The Cowboys to this point have had all their practices in shorts and T shirts. Today they put on the pads when the Pats come on. I'm most excited to see Blank Amber fight fight. I already sucked up to Garrett you can't do it too from last year. No, I am excited.

I'm excited to finally see some contact and be able to see, for example, players like Tacco, what is he gonna do? There are some guys I come in here and yes, they look physically, they look good, they have you athletusis and but once that contact comes in in action and you get to do it and get off the line of scrimmage, what are you gonna do? Are you able to move around? Are you able to take guys like Tyrn Smith? Are you able to take other guys out? You know? So, I'm excited to see them

full go Dave action. Yeah. I don't want to single one specific thing out because there's so much to watch, but I mean these, you know, the OTA practices are I mean boring, for lack of a better word. There's not a lot going on, especially out here. At least in the spring. They were going against each other, no offense versus defense whatsoever. The last two days. That's going to change today, whether it's one on ones, whether it's actual offense versus defense, We're just gonna see action in

real football. And it's great. Yeah, I'll just be specific to what they're saying. I mean, one on one drills, you know, the lineman versus the live versus the D line. You know, the guys like that, and that's where you know, that's where you noticed Antoine Woods from a year ago. That's where he started to make, you know, some noise. And so who's this year's guy going to be? So yeah, it's it's very interesting you said that. I know you and I were talking about this yesterday talking about the

offensive versus defensive line. This may be the deepest offensive line that we've had around here in a while. We were talking about the fact that if you look at this second team offensive line, they may be as good as some first team units around the NFL. So when you when you consider that and you consider that up against the talent that this team has on the defensive line as well. I think there's some really really unique opportunities to see some really good football there and see

some fun competition here over the next couple of days. Um, so, let's let's go and jump into this conversation on the quarterbacks. I guess the first thing I want to kind of get into is a lot of talk that was happening during the offseason, and you guys watched all the OTAs in mini miniicamp practices. There was a ton of talk about how, you know, Dak's been working with Kitna, He's

improved his footwork work, his accuracy is better. I'll ask you guys, after watching that, was there anything that you saw that that gave credence to those kinds of statements that his accuracy has improved, his footwork has improved. What have you seen just in OTAs in mini camps and maybe the first two days practice mid level throws eighteen yards? Those throws right there are the ones that you see these guys open a lot. I think that that's a credit to also Kellen Moore. I feel like these guys

are getting schemed open more. But you know, he can throw the ball deep. He can obviously throw it short underneath and make the right reads and all that, but those eighteen yard throws, those are the ones that are the toughest ones. And to make a really good quarterback, you got to throw it over the linebacker and under the safety as the guys moving. And I think we've seen We'll see what happens when them when you know, pads come on. But I think those are the passes

that I've been impressed with. Yeah, just looked, I mean, his anticipation and his placement looked phenomenal. In the spring, it really stood out to me with Randall Cobb. That's I just have sky high hopes for what they can be. And yeah, intermediate throws leading the receiver, putting it on him instead of behind him or too far out in front of little stuff like that. I haven't really you know. I know people are arguing about some of his throws out here so far these first two days, and I

couldn't care less. It's all on air. It's really hard to tell how accurate they are when nobody's contesting it. So I haven't seen anything to really give me an impression to this point out here. But in OTAs he really he looked different in a good way. Really, yeah,

he did. That's good old now, you know well, And I like when he's starting to step out of the comfort zone that I feel that the Cowboys had built around him and for him of those short yardish throws you know, to Cole Beasley, Jason Witten when he was here and now that he's back, Yeah, that's great. But being able to see him make those throws down the field now at this point of the what it's not

the season, but the off season. I guess at this point of the year, it's good, yes, training camp, but it's good to see and the fact that he is being able to make those throw it's very motivational for what is to come this year. Yeah, it's interesting. I just I want to see it here now. Yeah. Right, it's very interesting. And I think at this point what we really are wanting to see is does he take that next step into being one of the elite quarterbacks

in the NFL. He's done some really good things. I was telling you, Dave before we went on the air. I went back last night and I was doing some research on just some historically how you would how would you would characterize what Dak has done in the first three years of his career, and check out some of these numbers. Really remarkable stuff when you think about it. But the first thing said out to me is he is only one of eight players in the NFL has

started all games. So the first three years as a quarterback's again, we're talking about one hundred years NFL this year is celebrating a hundred years of existence, and in a hundred years, he is one of eight players that's been able to do that. Here are the interesting numbers. He is second all time in completion percentage in the first three years of his career at sixty six point one percent. He is fifth in wins with thirty two.

He is six in quarterback rating with ninety six. And here was the stat that really jumped off to me. He is number one all time one hundred years first three years of a quarterback's career in game winning drives with fourteen. This guy's had a pretty phenomenal first three years as a quarterback in the NFL. So here's what I wanted to do with you guys. We're gonna play

a little game. It's gonna be I'm gonna give you a name I'm gonna go down this list of last season the quarterbacks in the NFL in order of passing yards, and when I want you guys to tell me would you rather would you rather have Dak or this guy? All right on, Dak for what to this year? Or as my quarterbacks because I have a new franchise. No that Derek acts like that's not fair, but it totally is. It's fair. I just it's just I didn't think that far ahead. Tell you what, let's how would you prefer

to do this year? This year? Just for this year? Yeah, just for this year, not for the future, just for this year. All right, that's fine. I'm going with that. I'm going with that. So here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna go through the list. You tell me would you rather have that guy? That guy. I'm gonna try to keep score here, and what I'm looking for is the total. So if we can get two out of three,

then we'll count that person. I want to see how many quarterbacks in the NFL you guys would rather have instead of Dack? Okay, got it, Ben Roethlisberger, Dak. That's tough. Come on, first thought, I don't like this scheme, let's go probably been all right, which that's tough because I assume Ben's gonna miss like anywhere between two and four games, all right, and you'd rather have been I think, So okay, Amber this year, I think Dak. I'm gonna go with that. Okay,

So Ben is out. Patrick Mahomes my homes all right, that's one. Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan. M I would say with Dak, you stay with Dack Nick. I'm sorry for I need the judge's ruling on this. Is this for the Cowboys? Is Matt Ryan on the Cowboys or Dak on the game? Is that what we're doing? Who would you rather have on the cowbooks for this year? Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan. Okay, So Matt Rown makes two. Jared Golf, Dack Dack I'm not a I'm not a believer in golf yet. Andrew Luck Luck Look yeah, all right, So

that's three. Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, that's four. Tom Brady, Tom Brady, that's five. H Philip Rivers Rivers for one year. Right, We're not building the franchise this year? Yeah yeah, uh Rivers Rivers Okay, I mean yeah, all right, So Rivers that's six Eli Manning. Dak seriously, come on, Kirk Cousins back all right, Deshaun Watson Dak Dack all right, that's interesting to all y'all said that, okay, Um, Derek Carr Dak Dak all right, Drew Brees breeze freeze all right,

Caseina Dak Dak all right. I mean and now and now and now and now you get to the point of that's where Daki is right now, yeah, in passing guards right then. Matthew Stafford, Oh, that's tough. Like that.

Matt Stafford is just he's so interesting because like he's everything you could want in a quarterback, except like he doesn't happen well, he doesn't have the one thing that Dak has, which is like it, you know, the game winning the chair, Matthew Stafford, and once he does, we're still at zero playoff wins within with yeah, no and what and you know, I get that that's hard, but like,

and he's very good. Like he's he's super talented. I think recently somebody was quoted in the story of being like he's the most talented quarter just if you're talking about talent, he's the best one ever. Just in terms of like god given ability, but he has yet to dis like it, like and he's had a Megatron. You can't say that he hasn't had Guys, He's had some great things. I'll take like. There's no doubt he's more talented than Dak. But I think i'll take my chances

with that Dack. You in Amber, can you switch them in now? Like, okay, at this time of the game, let him all right? Uh so he's out Baker Mayfield. I really love Baker. I think he's going places, but I gotta see more. I gotta see more than twelve he starts. Yeah, Russell Wilson, Russ, I love Russ. All right? Uh Cam Newton, dam Cam Newton on this Cam Newton on this team could do some damnah. Yeah, I'll take Cam.

You'll take Cama going to camp. Okay, that's nine. I'll take all right, Mitchell Trubisky Dak all right, Um, Carson Wentz Dak Dak my game in sixteen games out of wins this year. Okay, don't want this based on his history whatever, whatever you think of his history. That's really tough. I said it quick, but it's tough. It is tough. But that may be one of the toughest ones that's in this whole thing. I mean, if they're both healthy, you know, don't kill me. Wentz is probably a better

pure quarterback. But Dak has never missed a game. Winz has had a problem with that his whole career, and we had a problem with him. I'll take that because I know I'm getting sixteen games, all right? Yeah? Still, okay, all right, so he's out, Um, Jamis Winston back, Sam Donald back, Andy Dalton back, Marks Mariota back. I don't think you can getting into the Yeah. The only other guy that's down here you would even want to throw in there would be Lamar Jackson. He's a starter, no back.

All right, So we got nine guys. That's probably where you would say that, so he would had him ten? Yeah? Is that? Where? Is that? Where? And this is where this was all leading? Is that what you would think he ends up? If you were to say here's how I think Dak ranks in the NFL, would you think he's right there around ten? In to is a top ten quarterback in the NFL, depending on how much the person you're polling likes the Cowboys. Yeah, he's somewhere between

ninth and I'll even say sixteenth. Like, you know, there's somebody out there that's, like I saw yesterday, somebody was like, dak is Andy Dalton. That's just who he is. That's what the stats say is And Okay, so you might even just drop him down as far as like fifteen or sixteen, but he's somewhere in that range between second tier in the middle of the past. Yeah, depending on who you ask. There's a lot of people, you know, a national that would say, you know, Roethlisberger is better.

He's won super Bowls obviously, and then they would go wins and and maybe Stafford and some others. But are people that are listening right now are probably like, how could you pick him over Matt Ryan or something? You know what I mean? They would probably have him seven, you know, six or seven. So it's a fun game. That was a good game. All right, let's go and

take our first break. When we come back, I want to talk about I want to narrow that down a little bit more and talk about two guys that we've compared him to on this show. Some of our other conversations Russell Wilson, Tom Brady and their first three years and where Dak ranks there. We'll talk about that when we come right back. This is Dalas Cowboys dot Com Radio. If you're like me and you love I mean, if you have a thing, then cutting the chord is scary.

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second segment of The Break Black from Oxnard, California. We are in date three of training camp here in Oxnard. Today Cowboys put on the pad, so it should be fun, fun afternoon of getting the CVS guys compete. To this point, it's just kind of an offense on offense, defense on defense, but today we'll mix it up a little bit and get to see some really interesting things. We can also

have a little training camp live action this afternoon. I think with Brian brought us and who do you know who's gonna be on there with him, and believe it's me Dave, Dave Helm and our own Dave Helm and helping off will be starting off training camp lives. So make sure you check the website and mobile app, the Connected TV app pretty much everywhere. We're everywhere if we have to find the content that we're producing you. But I did want to talk back get back into this

quarterback conversation. We talked about where Dak kind of ranks historically around the NFL, really great numbers. He compares very well over one hundred years of quarterbacks in the NFL.

I do want to say, and I'm not trying to take credit away from Dak, but with the way the game is now, absolutely comparing rating and completion percentage to anybody that played before like two thousand and five, is I don't care, Like, yeah, of course he's got a better completion percentage than y a tittle like the you know, safeties used to literally murder people in the secondary back then. So still very impressive, but the stats are so skewed.

I think he when he retired, he had the all time leading quarterback rating in the history of the NFL was like eighty three eighty three point two. Yeah, and now if you look at the all time leaders, they're all at current players. You know, it's just the way the game it is and that but that also wins something. The wins in the first three year and saying that

that's impressive, but that also speaks to something. It speaks to the fact that even with those guys that have been playing since two thousand and five, that's the number you're gonna go with. That's the year You're gonna go with, there's been a lot of quarterbacks in NFL since two thousand and five. And for him to be ranked where he is in all these stats, in all these different categories, I think says something. You know, and I don't know where where he ranks as far like, what were the

other guys in there from the victories? Did you say Russell Wilson or uh no, Actually I was going to get into that. Uh, those guys actually were lower. Russell Wilson and Tom Brady actually were lower as far as number of wins than what he was in the first three years, probably layoffs with his difference. Okay, right, playoffs

was you know. But the thing about about Dak is, you know he comes in on a team that went won four games the year before, you know, so it's not like it was, you know, a Roethlisberger situation or that just kind of jumps into a good team that's already there. I Mean, this team had to had to you know, move its way back up. So um, you know,

it's been impressive. These first three years have definitely been impressive for him to go and win games, and especially like you said, game winning drives that have to come back and huge fourteen of them in his first three years and eight I believe it was a full season where eight fourth quarter comebacks. I believe eight think so I think it was eight. Yeah, fourth quarter to comeback is eight. He's tenth in the league. He's tenth in

league history in that stat. I can hear the people in my mentions right now saying, well, if he played better at the beginning of games, they wouldn't need to do that at the end. And I'm just like, you must not watch the NFL, like you must have no idea what this sport, what this league is all about, because it's a freaking it's a field goal league, like one play between a win and a loss. League was

captain cumback. No one says that about him now, Seriously, I think that championship, like you know, we we just sat there and we I think we all pretty much agreed that there's anywhere between six and nine quarterbacks that we would take over Dak right now. But he is. He is clutch. He has the it factor that we talk so much about. I don't care if you get tired of it, because I really do think it means something.

He doesn't make too many mistakes, like to see him clean up the fumbles from last year a little bit, but he doesn't make mistakes. His feet are an asset that need to be used more. And eighteen touchdowns on the grounds for itself, Like, there's so much to like about where he is, and he is turning twenty six today and that's great, and you want to talk about

so much should be happy about where he is. I think you have to look no farther than, in my opinion, the two guys that are most comparable to him from the standpoint of the start to their careers, and that would be Russell Wilson and Tom Brady. The reason why I say that is because at the start of their careers they would in very similar situations to Dak Prescott. They had teams that had really good defenses, really good

or great defenses. They had really good or great running games, and so he was just the They were just the parts that had to not mess it up. Like just you have a few throws you gotta make every game, but for the most part, relying your running game, it's okay to punt, rely on your defense to get the ball back to you. Don't screw it. Up, make a player two here and there, and your team's going to be successful. And if you look at if you compare the first three years of all three of these guys,

check this out. Daki has a better completion percentage. He has twenty more passing yards per game than the next closest guy. UM. He's got more game, more touchdowns per game than than than than either of the three. I'm sorry that actually they're about the same one point four one point five um. And then he has fewer interceptions than both those guys. When you start thinking about it from that standpoint through the first three years, it sets

up really nicely for him to take that leap. In the fourth year, which is when Russell kind of started, you started seeing him take that leap. For Tom it really kind of happened more in the fifth year. But you start seeing an opportunity now for Dak to take that next step and see if he can become with those guys have become, because he certainly has had to

start better start than those three. Get those two guys did, and all three of those guys, if I'm not mistaken, I'll have something else income and they all are replacing good quarterbacks tier two quarterbacks in NFL history. I think you would say as Drew Bledsoe, Um, Tony, Romo, and maybe even Matt Hasselbeck if if that's he wasn't that direct.

He didn't even replace. They didn't know what they they had to varg got Matt Flynn, right, They didn't know what they were doing at quarter back when he showed up, paid him a significant amount of money. But they gave when they gave Matt Flynn twenty million dollars. Yeah, before a comparison standpoint, you know, that was like the last great quarter or good quarterback that they had. Same with Romo.

You know, you're you're replacing a good player, not at all, you know, not a Hall of Famer, but a good player. Blood say it's not a Hall of Famer? Is he He's not gonna be. I don't think he's just a good player. Yeah. So, but the standards were pretty high for those guys coming in, and they've done then they've exceeded. I don't think you would say Dak has exceeded what Romo has done yet, but he's getting there. And none

of them were first round picks. That's the other the unique thing about them they were all guys that kind of were he took a little flyer on him. You put them on a team that had good things around them, good running game, good offensive line, good defense, and you just let him kind of develop into the position, didn't give them too much too soon, and let him really develop.

I think it was you, Dave. They were saying that in the tenth the other day, like that's a lost start in today's NFL, putting those putting quarterbacks in those kind of situations where they really have time to develop. I don't know if it ever was an art like this is such a this is such a win now,

don't make mistakes League. The conversation we had in the tenth the other day is, and I know it wouldn't be everybody, but how many lesser talented quarterbacks would have a chance to shine if they got the opportunity that a Dack or a Russell Wilson got, where you know, the starter goes down or the backup goes down, and

all of a sudden, you're actually getting snaps. Because we'll see it over the next month, Cooper Rush and Mike White are gonna get snaps because they need it, because they got to figure out what to do with that. But typically your third quarterback gets like four reps in a period, and if you're the fourth quarterback, forget about it. Like the kid they just sign. How many meaningful reps is he gonna get in the next month, like maybe a dozen. So there's just not time to develop these guys.

And you're so worried about making sure you're winning games. Why we can't practice you. We gotta get these reps. And now it's Dack. We gotta get these reps for Dack if we're gonna win the super Bowl. So I would just love to see and it'll never happen, but I would love to see how many Day three quarterbacks could develop into worthwhile starters if they got that time

and attention to develop. It's interesting. And the interesting thing though there is if you're going to do that, that means the team will have to put the right resources in place to have a running game, to have a defense that can allow that quarterback to develop. And that's a hard thing to do for a lot of teams too,

because you have to kind of build that. You have to build that the right way and then get to the point where you plug in the quarterback and let him kind of be just the guy that keeps everything on the rails right. Yesterday, John Kitten had a quote that I thought was really interesting. I wanted to read it for you guys and get some feedback on it. He said, the thing that I keep talking to them he's talking about the quarterbacks about, is forget the idea

of I'm trying to complete the ball. Just cut it loose, rip it, rip the throw. If you're good enough, or you wouldn't be here, make your best throw, and the completions will handle themselves. It sounds to me like what he's really trying to get them to do is be more confident, trust to what they're seeing, and just go for it. How much do you think that that helps all of these quarterbacks because I don't know that. I don't know that I think that of Dak, that he's

a guy that's too tentative. But I do think we've had some of those kind of criticisms of the backup quarterbacks that they're a little too tentative, a little too afraid to kind of just let it go. You think in stealing that kind of confidence in them today, Hey, if you make a mistake, make the mistake all in

rather than being too tentative. Any saw that from Dak last year, though, I feel that last year he took somewhat of a step back where he got a little more hesitant and just didn't at least to me, he just didn't feel or seemed as confident to move around and throw the ball. It just it was taking a little too long. And I think that's also part of where all those fumbles came from, and just part of it.

I like hearing what Kinna said, I think this is the perfect time of the year for him to do that, to feel, make those mistakes, make them here, let it out. Rip I love that. Rip it, rip it, rip it.

Let it out and you'll feel better, you know. I took a little different approach on him holding the ball a little longer last year for me, and maybe I was looking at it the wrong way, but I was thinking that was more function of him waiting for things to happen down feel and not just getting rid of the ball, and I think both can cause you to hold onto the ball too long. I thought of that more than him being hesitant. It may not be the case. I may have just given him the benefit of the doubt.

But that's what I kind of put it on. What did you guys think, I mean for sure, but I definitely I agree with age like there I feel like in Dak's mind, he's like, part of what makes me valuable is I'm not going to lose the ball and so if it's not an obvious throw or not, you know, if it's not a high percentage maybe not a high percentage completion. But thinking about the Beasley throw, the you know, the famous the hail Mary, Like that's either going to

be a touchdown or an incompletion. You know, like, that's no problem. It's the it's the well. If I don't put this exactly where it needs to be, something really bad could happen. I feel like at times maybe there was hesitancy. Didn't trust his arm, didn't trust his arm, didn't trust his protection, didn't trust his accuracy, whatever it is. Whereas I think you do need to have that confidence.

But it's a tough line to ride. And to be fair, I'll shout out people on Twitter, great quote by kitten Up. It's fair to point out he threw one hundred and sixty nine touchdowns on one hundred and sixty five interceptions in his career, right, so you've got you gotta find that balance isn't always good, No, I mean here it is though, And actually it makes me think to last year. You know, there were reports coming out of Kansas City like Mahomes is throwing four and five picks of practice.

Oh my god, is he terrible? Turns out not so much. But this is the time to let it. You know. I'd rather you rip it and see what you can do and develop some of those skills as opposed to well, I'm just gonna check down because it'll look good tonight in the film room when I were watching it, you know, and and the all time leader and interceptions, I believe it is bred farve. I mean, like, you know, you have to kind of you have to to play that

way sometimes. But you know, when I think back to like Romo when twenty and ten eleven, you know, if he if he just let it rip every time he was throwing the ball to Dez Bryan, I mean, who who knew where the ball was going to be and who was going to intercept it? You know, you have to also trust not just your arm, you have to trust where the guys are and where they're going to be, because you know, you have to make sure that everybody is on is in sync with the offense and who

you're throwing too. And I think Matt Ryan can can let it rip when he knows hu Leo Jones is route there, running a route or whatever, just because where they are. That's why, you know, going back to why why Cooper, you know, why are you here? Why aren't you doing what? Because he knows he needs this time right here in this offseason to get to that point with um you know, with Dak and Gallop and those

guys as well. I think now he has all those all the right elements for him to get to that level where he needs to be because last year you had all the confusion of what are you doing in the offense, all the receivers coming in and out? You know, it wasn't completely clear. It started becoming clear once I'm already guy here. But I think this time of the year, we know who those receivers are gonna be and who's

gonna be there for him. So the connection between them is being built as of right now, and it's gonna show once the season starts. I like that point. I do too. All right, let's take our final break. We're gonna come back and we're gonna play a little sea on No miss appers going to throw that out there force. We'll have all of that in the final segment. Join us.

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in the pro Shop or at Stetson dot Com. Today. Back to the break, Welcome back. It is the final segment of the Great Black popgard California. We're talking Cowboys football here at Cheney Camp Data Cowboys put on the Pad's day three right now, Abergarcia is going to lead us through a game or no, All right, let's get it started. This is uh, this question is are kind of all over the map, So thank you to those who sent them in. Let's get started. Anthony Brown is

a better slot corner than Jordan Lewis. See or no, m M. I don't think so, I'm gonna say no. See, I don't know. See Anthony Brown has played more snaps in the slot than Jordan Lewis. He's he's a little more battle tested. See I say no. I say I think because I want it. Yeah, I think I think he's got more talent um than Anthony Brown. He probably has a little bit more quickness. Maybe not speed, but quickness.

And I'm gonna go with I also think my personal belief is I think that if given the opportunity, I think he may be a will get a few more turnovers than Anthony Brown does. I think Anthony Brown's okay slot corner. I think Jordan might be able to because of his quickness. I think he might actually and I don't think he's really gotten that opportunity, but I think he might be able to get a little a few more turn without trying to derail your game real quick.

I just Anthony Brown is interesting to me because like he might be the most unappreciated player on this team. He's a three he's a three year starter. He's definitely. He's not a pro bowler. He's made his share of mistakes. He's he's gotten beat as all cornerbacks do. But three year starter, pretty good player. He's made some big plays and like, no, just nobody, everybody wants to give his job away or whatever. Like he's I'm interesting. I mean, I'm interested to see he's in a contract year. Is

he worth resigning? What kind of price would it cost? Well, I'm gonna sign like with the Jets or somebody for like four years, twenty six million, And they'd be like Anthony Brown, like yeah, that's what the interesting part is. You know you got Byron coming up, So do you allow Anthony Brown to also get away? If you can get him for a modest deal, which I think you

might be able to get him for money. That's why you hope, like hell, that Mike Jackson or Donovan Alumba or somebody kind of catches your eye the next month to give you that leverage that maybe you don't need to sign that deal. Yeah, is this the most talented Cowboys roster in the two thousands? Yes, okay, see two thousand and one. Man, I don't know. In the two thousands, two thousand and one since two thousand that was that was my guy, Brian. I wasn't here. I wasn't here

for two thousand and seven, y'all were. But this is easily the most talented roster that I have covered. Yeah, this this team. I mean, I know that two thousand and seventeen maybe had thirteen Pro Bowlers, but I don't thirteen wins. Yeah, I think I think this team is better even. I mean, you know, we love to mythologize fourteen because of the run that they were on at the end, but like they didn't have a pass rush.

Their best defensive back was you know, probably Brandon Carr, who I love, but you know, wasn't wasn't a you know, this amazing guy talent whearing Greg Ellis and Robert Quinn, and I would still take where Greg Gillis as the better duo as pass rushers at that at that stage when they were together, Greg Ellis was at that point in his career when he was really, really, really good.

That the linebacker is much better. I think your best cornerback may be better, right, So you start looking at the positions that really matter, and I think you could probably make the argument that you have better players at those positions in a running game. So if you're saying this is their best roster in the two thousands, that means this is their best roster since they won the Super Bowl. Is that what we're saying right now? Okay, I'm good with that, all right, I'm good with it that.

If they're not, it's a very very very very small margin. But I think they're definitely are right up there with the best the Cowboys I've ever had. I agree with you, and I'm not surprised, but like it to say it out loud, is that's a trip that sits crazy expectations. Like you guys mentioned yesterday, it's a sky high it's exciting. But I've you know, this is my seventh season, and every time the expectations are up high, that's when the

s hits the fans. So we'll see, Please think positive. Okay, you know me, that's not what I does he make the fifty three c or no, he had an arrest day yesterday, by the way, he did. I think I think he does make the fifty three because you know, you can't coach speed, which I'm interested though, and you don't want to read too much into unpadded practices. But they didn't have him returning punts the other day, and I was like, if if you're not returning punts, what

are you doing right? Because we got three guys that can handle the three receiver spots, you know, no offense. He's not like this acclaimed route runner or like the you know, he's not this amazing receiver. He's more of a gadget web guy. But if he's not, you know, if he's not contributing heavily on special teams, well we have enough of a role on he ain't running down with it. Yeah, he ain't running down to make tackles

on special I don't think so right. If that's the case, If he's not back the returning punts, I have a hard time thinking he makes it. So I'm kind of leaning to Wood right now. I'm having a hard time figure out how he makes this team. I don't think he person I'm putting him on the team, but I'm writing it in pencil, and that's gonna be. I had a really I was so I knew what the receiver corps looked like. I mean you, I'll admit it right now. I thought Alan Hearns was on this team. I you know,

he can play all three positions. He's a good attitude guy, he can do the dir dirty work. He moves on. And now it's chaos because you had four. If Hearns was on the team, you had four, so it's only one maybe two roster spots. Now you got three. And we just said we don't really know what Tavon would do here. So what's I mean that you know, Noah Brown, Cedric Wilson, John Vay, Jalen Guiden. I mean, it's it's

total anarchy back there. I don't know what to expect. Yeah, all right, does Connor McGovern have the size and strength to start Wake one? If necessary? What does if necessary mean? Well, like, yeah, see, I mean if he has to see because he's gonna be on the team. I mean, if you know, knock on wood, if somebody's not available. Well, but when you start talking about things like size and strength with the threes, I don't know. I don't know if I can. I've

seen enough to be able to answer that question. I mean what we what we found out about Connor Williams last year was we thought, Okay, this guy's gonna be pretty good. And then he got out here and you actually got pads on and he's having to kind of show his strength and how he uses his size. Then we found out, hey, he's gonna have to bulk up a bit. I think that's what I have to see from from from a government. I haven't seen that yet. I'm I'm anxious to see that today in those drills,

the ones. I want to see him mcgoverned more than anybody. But we were looking at yesterday, we were thinking, man, look at the backup lineman. There's some good players over there. You know, Can Fleming has started in a Super Bowl. Joe Looney is started a lot of games for the Cowboys. You've got Umil to a Filo who started some games and he and I still think he's really good. And then which Wenchman was the other guard, which I was

kind of surprised it wasn't McGovern right there. A lot of stuff would have to go wrong for that to happen, because if something were to happen to Travis or a guard, then Looney would be the next man up. I think so at guard too. Yeah, okay, for sure, Well I don't know. That's fascinating because either either a very talented lineman is going to be on the street when this is all over, or we're gonna see some roster cut

trades because there's just too many bodies and not enough nine. Right, but even if you keep nine, you're probably putting somebody good out of a job. Most likely to keep nine. Nine's fine with me? Who are they? You got your starters, You got your starters, you got Cam, you got Joe, you got mcgoverned, right, I mean those and you're nine the suaphilo? Right, isn't I had this argument yesterday. Isn't that a lot of interior linement? If you're gonna keep nine,

don't you want another tackle? I mean that that's nice. But yeah, that's probably although but having and I'm a little more worried about. Okay, so are we sure that Travis's gonna be right? And that's where I say it's okay to have a say in Mitch hy Mitch High is a guy to watch. Brandon Knight is a guy to watch. They're very talented rookie offensive tackles that signed undrafted. They were you know, they're highatt was all American Night,

was all conference worth watching. But let's say they don't turn out to be anything super great. There's I mean, I'm not getting rid of a very good, experienced guard just because like conventional roster building says, you should, like why take away from a position of strength. But if I could get something for him, I got now we're talking, I got you now. This one is gonna be hard to answer. And speaking of the offensive line, Travis Frederick, does he go back to that Pro Bowl caliber status

this year? CEO? No? See. I say no only because the only person I've heard talk about this from a from a point of experience, another offensive lineman said that for him when he went through that and missed an entire season, it took him two years to get back to his previous form. Now again, Travis may be completely different. His injury may I mean is is condition may be completely different. You know, obviously there are levels to every condition, right,

so but I just want to see it. I don't know if I trust that he'll be back to being what he was before. That doesn't mean he might not be really good. He I don't know if I'll trust he'll be back to what he was before in the first year coming right back after this, because we all know, watching him last year, it was pretty you could know. You noticeably saw he was limping. You noticedly saw he lost a lot of weight, so there had to be some strength that was lost with that as well. So

I just want to see it. But I'm curious to see is if, even if he isn't regained the form, where is he going to be better than Looney? Like, where's the where's the difference in how you know all pro level and what Looney gave you last year? Is he in between? Because if he comes back, it's not the same, It's really not better than Looney than to

kind of have a problem. Well you do have a problem, but you know, I think I think, let's not forget Dak was sacked more times than he ever ever was before last year, So I think I think what Travis is going to give you is a little bit more from a recognition standpoint of where these guys are supposed to be. Just hopefully, you know, he can hold up. But we'll find out here in the next few weeks.

I would imagine there's just a small group of guys that I don't bet against, and Travis is one of them. He's been I mean we're at the Star every day. He's been working since February to get back. There'll probably be some growing pains. Maybe he won't hit the level that he was, but even if he's slightly less than that, it'll be pretty damn good. I feel confident about that.

You know something that I've noticed because I'm working on this project, I'm having to look through a lot of old line footage and watch a lot of different practices and stuff. One of the things I've noticed that it was kind of cool. Travis was always the one person and the only person that even if there was nobody in front of him, he would still go through the motions and put his hands where they needed to be and it was just air and he would just go

through all of that. And I'm like, that's amazing. I mean, that's the kind of things that takes you maybe to that next step and that next level, to where you're going above and beyond, to what you can do to get there. I don't know. It was just something cool to see. And I think we're out of time. I guess I think we are. Unless you have a few more questions. If you want tell you what, let's take

one more take one more. All right, Well, we've been talking about contract extensions and all that the Cowboys extend all Big three and stay competitive. See No, see, they're gonna extend all three. See see. And I would even I'd be willing to bet, be willing to best significant money, decently significant money, that it gets done before training camp is done all three. You'd be willing to make that bet. I'd be willing to give me some money. Let's have

a conversation. I mean, I said yesterday I thought they would too, But I have a feeling, I have a feeling that that they already know what they want to do. The only way it doesn't get done, in my opinion, the only way it doesn't get done is if the player doesn't want it to get done, which I could see a scenario where Mari's like, look, I'm holding I just want to see where all this plays out. I'm

not ready to sign anything, Mari. I mean, if if I was the Cowboys, it'd be like cool, like you're you're fine waiting, then we'll wait on you right where? And then Dak didn't want to answer it. Dak did not want to answer whether he would table these conversations, whether when the season started. So I want to see And that's that's what scares me is we all just said it, we all just gave him a big vote

of confidence. And if he's going to be more expensive in January, I mean if this season, Yes, if this season even goes remotely according to plan, he's going to be more expensive. Yes, I think I think it will acquire. David will, thank Squire, it will any shout out Cover four know why he had to deliver that while I was on the air. But it will require it will require him having to have I think a super Bowl year in order for it to be terribly more expensive

than what it is already. It's it's already all those numbers I just threw to you. Guess what, his agent has already thrown those to the Cowboys and they're like, look, you're sitting on a guy that historically is one of the best quarterbacks in their first three years in the NFL.

So they've already thrown those numbers there. I don't think that changes by him having a really good year this year, even getting into playoffs and playing if he gets a super Bowl now becomes at flackall situation outside of that though I think he's already going to command a significant amount of money. We'll see. I think I think the price goes up if he has another good season. Maybe not by a lot, but that's I mean, every little bit accounts. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys joining us.

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