Cowboys Break: Who Is Next After Cobb?

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tuned in today. Here's some of this good talk on Cowboys football, and we've got some stuff to talk about Cowboys have gotten a little busy this week in free agency. There are three players that have been in the building. One at the Cowboys have signed this week and now. Actually, there are a couple of other guys that have been signed. We'll get into some of those a little bit later,

but I want to start first with the big signing. Yesterday, Cowboys agreed to terms with Randall Cobb, wide receiver from the Green Bay Packers. They signed him to a one year, five million dollar deal. He is an eight year vet twenty eight years old. His best season was in two fourteen, where he had ninety one catches, one hundred and eighty seven yards twelve touchdowns. Phenomenal year. However, he's missed only eleven games in the last three seasons. It's not horrible,

but not great. And in twenty eighteen had nine games that he played, six starts, thirty eight receptions, three hundred and eighty three yards, two touchdowns. Why they're dropping two thousand and eighteen, let's start there, well as I'll go ahead. Sorry, Well, the team wasn't very good either, I mean, like, um, Aaron Rodgers dropped, I mean a lot of I mean that they had issues obviously, we're, as Parcels would say, trying to keep you know, our house from burning down.

So I don't really know exactly what was going on there, but I know that their team wasn't as good and and you know that's Randall Cobb has been a really good player for for that team and on a great quarterback and with a great quarterback. Uh so when when he has has struggled and you know, they've had a lot of dysfunction, it seemed like with the offense and

hoop pointing fingers and all that. So uh, you know, he was a good role player and it all kind of went down and so um, but he's still those two touchdowns, one of them I believe was a seventy five yard touchdown to win the game against the Bear. So he's got some down field production that's that you don't we haven't seen from a slot receiver. Yeah, they started the opening day with him, and I mean they've

they've really featured him. He made some incredible plays and then as you go through this season, you know there was a couple of times the Washington game, you know, his numbers were low. I was trying to kind of see division opponents maybe somebody that he played that you know, he would play against in Washington just happened to be one of them. I mean, he runs a route that's beautiful that you know, gets himself inside and it drops the ball. It would have been probably a sixty yard pass.

But he doesn't drop many passes. I mean, Nick's right. I think where that they had some dysfunction with the offense. The quarterback was you know, kind of off early, he got banged up a little bit, and then they were trying to get him to football, you know when they could. But it just he's still when you watch him play, everything underneath is really really good, you know. And you know, obviously I think, oh you can use him as an outside receiver as well down the field. I don't know

if it's that, you know. I mean, I'm not saying it's it's not like Beasley. I think it's probably a little bit better than what you get from Beasley down the field. But he's going to do very similar things to what Beasley does. Again, and the report I just watched them table this morning watching play against New England, and people like that. He does all the underneath stuff, but where he's different is the run after the catch. That's where you know, with Beasley, you get you get throw,

it's an eight yard catch and he's down. With this guy, you get a catch, you get a move, another move, and then you get a fourteen fifteen yard game with the way he plays. So I think that's where the big guy. I think Beasley is probably quicker than him. For I think, though you talk about the physicality which the player plays with out of the slot is going to be different. And now with with Randall cop he's

a secure catcher of the football. You know, you put it anywhere in that catch radius, he's going to make a play. But the physicality in which he plays with is going to be completely different than Cole Beasley. The irony which to answer your question, he couldn't shake a

hamstring injury last year. It kept him out and as somebody who had him on my fantasy team, I know, like from a week to every were looking at everything, like you know, I was like, well, Copple will be back this week, and like that's Rogers guy, Like he's gonna come through. Nope, he's an active again. Okay, Oh, he's an active again. Okay. Cool. So I think he missed six games, five in a row, something like that.

It was a big part of it. But you know, twenty eight year old Pro bowlers aren't cheap if they're healthy, Like that's that's part of it. Hopefully he can shake it. I do. It's funny. The reason I said irony is because the Cowboys have had so many problems with hamstrings, and I don't think there's an injury that makes fans matter faster than hamstring. Like you don't want to see that on an injury report. So it's something to watch.

Hopefully he can shake it. But the year the year before last year, twenty seventeen, without Rogers playing a significant chunk of the season, he had sixty six catches for six fifty three and four touchdowns, which is right up there, if not better than basically all of Cole Beasley seasons. You know what, I like what Brian is saying. You know, let's let's don't act like he's gonna just go down the field all the time I had vertical. But what I do think is in this whole thing is it's

about Marie Cooper. Marie Cooper is your stud wide receiver. He's your star. He can actually play all these positions and when he does slide inside because that is the most favorable matchup. You don't have to take Cobb off the field like Beasley really needed to come off the field. You can still do the things you need to do. He won't be a strong suit, but it is something that he can do. So so talk to me about his comparison to Cole Beasley. Brian just kind of started

breaking out some of those comparisons. Is this a better move for the Cowboys? Have they upgraded this position or do you think it's it's less than you had before? And why? I think it's very similar to what you had. I think it's you know, if you're trying to protect yourself and say, okay, if we're going to lose something, what are we losing? You know, we're losing this number of catches. I think this guy is capable of making those plays. I think where where this guy? Again? I

keep saying this this guy is different. Is he has an idea that where the sticks are? You know, when he catches the ball and it's a third and seven and he catches a five yard pass, he's going to run over somebody to get eight yards. He is going to make sure that he's beyond the sticks. He's going to make sure. He's actually a pretty good red zone player too. Now, again, Cowboys don't use red zone receivers very much since des Brian has walked out of here.

It's hand the ball off, you know, And so those numbers kind of a little bit skewed. But you watch Rogers and stuff throw him the football, I mean, he knows how to get separation separation. Cole Beasley is very similar. So I think that to me, it's it's all of those things, say, oh yeah, they completely upgraded. Where they upgraded is with a with a with a more physical player when it comes to throwing him the football underneath

and then him getting north and south really quickly. I think they completely upgraded, to be perfectly honest, and I hate to throw dirt on a guy leaving town, like I don't you know, I think Cole Beasley is a really good player. I think he's an underrated player. And again, Ranald Cobb's health is going to be a big part of this. If he can't get on the field, it's it's not gonna matter. But you're talking about a guy

who can play inside and outside. I know you know, he's probably not going to spend a ton of time just racing downfield because that's not Dax game. But he can you go. Nick brought it up just now. He catches a twelve yard in, breaks a tackle, houses at seventy five yards and most of that is his work. Cole Beasley's not doing that. He never did that in

his career. UH twenty thirteen Hail Mary to beat the Bears to make the playoffs, gets behind the defense and catches a sixty five yard bomb to win the game. Cole Beasley did that once in his final regular season game with the Calvins catch on a broken play. He didn't catch any balls in the playoffs at all. No, I was just talking about if you remember the Giants game. I'm being I'm being what's I'm being a stickler because I'm sure he caught some balls in the playoffs. Sure, yeah,

that's that's not Cole Beasley's game. Randall Cop can do that again. He can move out. I'm fascinated by the thought that Amari Cooper and Randall Cop can both move inside and outside. They can both create separation within twelve yards, they can both go downfield. It's gonna it's gonna hinge on. I mean the downfield stuff gets covered with him. That's that with Cope, the downfield stuff does get covered. I'm sure it does. I mean he can. The separation for

Cobb is underneath. That's where the separation route running. He can. When you watch him play, his ability to he has the same ability as Cole Beasley is to spin receivers or excuse me, to spin the corners, you know, to his route right, it reminds me of like when you watch Miles Austin Nick run routes or Derek when it's all the same speed, it's not there's not any kind

of hesitation or wasted motion or stuff. But when you I think, when you talk about extended speed down the field, I'm not sitting there saying run him on nine routes and run him on deep on digs and stuff like that.

I'm definitely not suggesting that I am. I am saying I think, would you agree he poses a more realistic threat fifteen and twenty and twenty five yards down the field and colbs, Yeah, I'd say that in the fifteen eighteen yard range absolutely, Because there's times when you watch him down the field when Rogers would try and throw him the ball, there's not the separation, right, the long speed is not and that's but you watch cool Beach.

What's the problem with Cool Beasy. Cole Beasley was too short. You couldn't see him down the field right now. This guy's five ten, but he is a physically bigger player when than what Cole Beasley is, I would say that's Cole Beasley is a quicker player than him. I will say, you don't have any problem. He's a quicker player. But but where this guy gets separation is his ability to win off the line and then lean on a guy

and then get into the break. I think that's where he's gonna He's gonna do some good head thirteen touchdowns with thirty yards or more and Beasley had two. Again, I mean these are it's just easy to compare the two. But I also think it's important to also remember that NFL teams are doing their homework. The Cowboys have done their homework, the Bills, all these teams have done their homework.

There's a reason why Beasley's market value is higher, and it was even higher for the Cowboys, who I believe offered him a six million per year, constrobably all about the injuries, right right, So it's like on paper, you can sit here and say he's more productive, he's he's got more you know, touchdowns down the field, um, but more catches, more yards, stats, Pro Bowls. But the market

value was hired for Beasley. Yeah, I think that's all about the fact that you look at right now, the players that we're going to talk about a little bit

throughout the show. They're players that the reason why the Cowboys have interest and the reason why the Cowboys are talking to them is because there's big upside and but there's risk, and the risk typically is associated with injury, and so it's either injury or age, and so it's one of those things where of course his value is higher because Cole has been a relatively healthy player for most of his career. Randall Cobb has not been. But the upside if you can get him on one of

those healthy years can be significant. And that's why the Cowboys are willing to go here. I think this is this is a higher upside than the guys that they typically bring in, right in my opinion. I mean, Carrie Hyder had an eight sack year don't. I don't think even they're expecting that from him. You know, like he's clearly a bridge signing, a guy that can come in and play. Maybe you draft at that position. I think Randall Cobb, if he's healthy, I think I think his

upside is far higher than most Cowboys free agents. Yep. And the thing I love about this signing particularly is because I think it gives you one more guy in this offense who can take at the distance. Because you think about it, right now, you got Zeke, You've got Maari Cooper, You've got Gallup who's become a bit of a deep threat for them. Let's see if he continues

to develop in that way. But you look at all those different options, you look at even a guy like Tavon, if they figure out how to use him, he has the ability with deep with speed to be able to make big plays. The point is, there are a lot of guys that will be on the field that defenses have to be aware that whenever they catch the ball, even if it's a short route, if the guy doesn't make the tackle, they have the speed to be able to get downfield and make a big play out of it.

That I think helps us offense. Yeah, this guy doesn't have many poor passes thrown in this direction, but when there are poor passes, you could see, I mean, the guy's got some concentration on that. Rogers, Rogers will we all know Rogers. He'll throw the ball and he'll throw the ball to guys and you're like, he has no whoa oh, why they caught it? You know, I mean he'll put it between two guys like Cobb was running around against against the Bears, where he wasn't I don't

think he was even expecting the ball. And the next thing you know, it's between the linebacker and the safety, and I mean Rogers just puts her and then and Cobb just puts his hands up and it catches, and you know, and he's now he's got, you know, thirteen fourteen more yards. And so yeah, this guy is one of those you're talking about something snatched the football. This

is what this quarterback here needs. He needs somebody though when it is a bad ball, when it is a bad throw that you know, and we've seen Cole Beasley take it off the back of his helmet before, So you need to continue to add guys like that that can help the quarterback. How does this affect Alan Hearns guy, it's anybody, nobody. Alan Hearns can run for president here

and everybody would vote for him. I mean and the great No, I mean every becomes him, hugs him and he's glad to see him, and he's like no. But more so than being a great guy, he is beloved by decision makers here. Yeah, that's important to remember. I think that. I think the fact that Alan Hearns with and they made the trade and it looked like the

receiver by committee thing was not gonna work. Alan Hearns could have like pouted and you know, been pissed off, and he might have been in private, but you know what, he kept coming to work when they did throw him the ball. He did make some plays. There was always like a game where you have one or two catches and you're like, oh I had a touchdown, Oh he had a twenty four yard catch. Oh okay. So I

think that's why everybody respects Alan Hearns. That when it could have been really bad and he could have bitch, moan and complaint, he didn't do any of that. I think that's why people like him and respect him. Though. I don't know how this affects him. And I know people want to say, let him go save money kind

of a thing. I mean I don't there's if you look at it purely black and white, Yeah, you could cut him and say, what four million dollars six Yeah, it looks like it looks like it would be a five million dollars get the difference, which you could still do that. You could, I mean, there's nothing stopping you from doing that. But I don't think this means anything right now. Again, it's a ninety man Rod. You get into the offseason program, see how he's recovering. You could

even take him to training camp. Day's healthy, Like that's another thing you absolutely. I mean, he's a guy that can play inside and outside. Again, people might not want to hear it, like they love his attitude and his work ethic. He's much like Terrence Williams before him, Like he's willing to do the boring, dirty stuff that coaches love. And that means something whether or not you want him here or not. So I wouldn't write him off at all. No,

I wouldn't write him off. But I'll say this, I think that guys underneath hearns will be the one to maybe push him out. And I say this because if, if, if Austin is a part of this thing, which I think he will be from maybe a punt return. If Austin's a part of this, You've got Cobb, You've got Gallup, you've got Cooper, You've got four wide receivers you know aren't playing special teams for you. So you've got another guy in there, Hearns, who doesn't do that. You know.

I think that if if you see development out of Noah Brown, maybe Cedric will, and you know, we'll see about Lenore. I don't know. I'm not expecting a lot from him, but I still think that they draft someone if they cookie, If they draft someone now, it becomes really interesting, right, especially in the top five rounds or so. So I just think that somebody might not Hearns out. It won't necessarily be Cobb. It could be the development of a younger, cheaper guy if they can play special

team pressure. If they were to use a remotely valuable draft pick on a wide receiver, I think that changes things for Hearns. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, let's take our first break. When we come back, I want to talk about Robert Quinn, Eric Berry two other players that were in the building yesterday. We'll talk about what the prospects are and why the Cowboys maybe should or should not sign these two players. When that when we come

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Eric Bury. Let's start first with Robert Quinn. He visited yesterday. He is still into contract with the Dolphins. So this would require an actual trade where the Cowboys would have to give up something we don't know what, but would have to give up something in order to acquire his services, and then presumably would have to talk to him about the contract if they don't want to pay what he's

already being paid. Pretty unique scenario there. I mean, I'm sure it's happened before, but it's not usual to, you know, a guy under contract with another team making the rounds looking for a new place to play. Yeah, because it's not like whatever he whatever, he sees, whatever he likes, he good relationship with the coach, not it really matters

if kids aren't looking. He could have been banging on the table here yesterday, like get me here, and the Cowboys are like, eh, we're not paying what the Dolphins are asking for, sorry, or we're not paying the contract that yourself. So yeah, there's a lot. There's two factors to it, right, absolutely. But also I think what some of this is is and Marinelli was got a chance to meet with them, and I know some of the

other coaches did as well. If you if you like him, you like really what he can bring, you know, maybe this isn't a one year thing. Maybe it's like, all right, well you trade for you and he's supposed to make eleven million, and maybe you give him eleven million over you know, up front, and then over maybe a two to three year deal. I don't know. Yeah, smart thing by Chris Career down there, the general manager from the Dolphins. You know, he realizes that he's in a scheme change.

And if you look, the reason why that Quinn get to the Dolphins was because of a scheme change and in the rams. So he's just trying to facilitate, you know, getting rid of some salary, but also maybe getting a pick out of this thing. So smart move on. When you say schemes change, explain for the folks, Well, schemes change. Yeah. You know, he went from for three under Jeff Fisher and had great success and then all of a sudden, way Phillips comes in. They try and make him a

stand up outside linebacker. You know, he's a wide nine outside taching on the ground, hand on the ground and go get I mean you can watch him play Tyrn Smith and there's a trouble for Tyron Smith in a lot of those games. So yeah, he goes to Dolphins. You got Brian Flores is now the coach New England. Okay, here we go. It's the same thing that happened with Hyder in Detroit. All of a sudden, he's playing as an under tackle and they get to a three four front. Okay,

he now playing a nose. It's not good anymore. So they can you can move on from guys that way. And so I feel like the team I was worried about was the Saints. But I'm kind of getting a buzz that the Saints really might not be interested, that this might be just something that they look they're looking. They're kid, Yeah, they're kicking the tires. So let's see if that if that happens, but if you can work a trade, I think this is a great move for the Cowboys because I think it gives them a little

bit more leverage in the DeMarcus Lord's potential signing. If you ask me, I think it's a great move for a variety of reasons. You can go back multiple years, like this is the type of stuff I've been begging for the Cowboys to do. I don't want you to

give Earl Thomas fifty million dollars. I want you to trade a twenty twenty pick and take on a little bit of salary and of you know, at a former first round pick, a veteran who like he had a quote unquote bad year last year and still had six and a half sacks, which would have been second on this team. Yep, right, bring that guy in. It reminds me of the Timmy Journagin trade. I bring that up all the time. Eagles moved back in the third round.

You know, ten spots and get this badass defensive tackle who goes lines up next to Fletcher Cox and makes their defensive line that much better on a Super Bowl run Like these are the types of moves that smart aggressive teams doing free agency. You know, the salary makes me curious because I wonder what they'd be willing to pay him on top of giving up the pick. But I think it's a great idea. I really hope they

pull that one off. I think especially and you say it will give him leverage with Lawrence, I say it gives him a right end if Randy Gregory can't play right. So yeah, I look at it, but I look at it is this way if it becomes an impass at least, you know you have somebody that can rush the passer, whether it's Randy Gregor or not. Yeah, but wait, hold on about Randy Gregory. I think it gives you a right end period. I mean, and then we'll see what happened with Gregory. I mean, I think he's a better

player than Gregory. Yeah. Well, that was actually my question. And if you really what I want you, guys, is I want you to tell me kind of if you had to rank those three players, where does Quinn fall in relation to Tank and in relation to Randy Gregory? Is he the best of them? Is he worse than Tank but better than Lawrence? I mean, I'm sorry, better than than Randy Gregory. Where does he fit in that in that group? You know, it's interesting who's your most

important position? If you had to say, on the defensive line, Well, in this defense, right end, right end, and they and they play Lawrence at left end. Does that tell you something? You know, we've been fighting about that for years because, like, tell you something the whole. They don't think he could play right end, the whole. They traded up thirteen spots in the draft for him because they said he was playing left on the board, he's playing left end. Yeah,

you don't think he could play right end. I don't think he could play right end as well as he's played left end. No, I really don't. I'd be curious to see him try. I think I think I think Robert Quinn. I think Robert Quinn is a bad you know what, right end. I think that's you think he would come in here and be the best defensive end on the team. I think As far as pass rushing, absolutely, yes, Wow, that's big. How much tape have you watched of him

to say that? I tell you no, I've watched enough tape to know hit the way he plays, the style he plays, so I've seen him play enough. When you start talking about explosive this pass rush moves he does, thinks Lawrence is rare as a left end. We had this discussion yesterday. Look at the left ends in pro football that I mean, if you're a left end and can rush the passer, you're rare. I'm not saying that Lawrence is a poor Russia. I'm just saying he plays

left end. The left ends in this league that have had had great success, Reggie White, Michael Strahan, Khalil Mack, Okay, those are those Those are pretty damn good players because they don't take that. No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I hear you. But but you're talking about they don't play him at right in. They've had a chance to play him at right end and

they don't. That tells me something. Right there, you don't think he could do it if they just moved him over there, Like I basically refused to believe that he wouldn't be good at it. Have they moved him Maybe that's because they don't feel good about what that would look like. That's what you have a guy that can handle undertackle, undertackle, right and right in and undertackle, the two most supportant positions. What position does he play? That's

what I'm just saying. He plays left, he plays left him but do they have a guy that can play left end if Lawrence isn't doing it? That's the now. This is where if you get Quinn. You've seen Crawford play in the suspension, during the suspension of Lawrence, you saw Crawford play left in. What does your left in have to be able to do? He has to be able to play against the run. Right. That's where Lawrence is rare. He could play the run, he could play

he could rush the pass. Yeah, yeah, that's basic. It's more important to them for him to play the run it left in and rush the passer over there than it is for him to play it right in exactly. And that's he's too well rounded of a player, and maybe it works against him. I bet if you ride him up at right in and say go get the quarterback and don't worry about anything else, I bet he'd be pretty damn good at it. That's all I'm saying. He had more sacks, Yeah you do. I think he

could push for it. Yeah if his only responsibility was rushing the pastor sure, I don't think. But you have more sacks just because of the matchup going up against the left tackle, that's true. Maybe I would like to see it, Yeah, I would like to see it. But what they have is working. I mean, really, you are talking about an upgrade over over Randy Gregory or Taco or you know, and I see that's what you have

to plug out the Tacco you have to figure out. Okay, if in fact that you were to do something with Lawrence, say you know this whole thing. I think it really hinges on the agent here, I really do. I think this whole deal hinges on the agent. And I hope if it gets close enough that the agent's not stubborn enough and then that Lawrence goes to the agent says, we need to get this thing done. So let's I don't want this thing. I don't want this thing to

like to fester, because you've got two things happening. You have a coaching staff that's fighting for their lives right now, and you're starting about talking about not having enough players for them to, you know, to keep their jobs. And then you got the players thinking what are our chances without Lawrence? Let's speak plainly. So most people like common logic. You look at any beat writer, me included, us included. People are on Twitter saying, this isn't about DeMarcus Lawrence.

This is about they don't have Randy Gregory. They need help with their pass rush. They're picking fifty eight. This is a great way to do that. You're saying that this is a shot across the bow at DeMarcus Lawrence. I think it's Will McClay, Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones. Look at all the moves. Even you had a tweet yesterday talking about well they filled this need, well, they filled this need. Well, they filled this need. Yeah, it's all about protecting yourself on the roster. That's what this is.

And if, in fact that they cannot come to an agreement with Tank Lawrence, then okay, what's our next option? What we've got to if we've got Robert Quinn, at least we've got a pass rusher that Brian Broadus thinks is pretty damn good. Whether that means anything or not. Yeah, but you know, here's the deal. I actually agree with you that I do think that this will give them leverage, and I think it's leverage that they probably will use, knowing how aggressively they go when it goes to when

it comes to try to negotiate deals. They're very aggressive in negotiating deals. So I think they'll use this leverage. How I personally feel about it is though I would actually look at it the opposite way if I were them, And then what I mean by that is, if I were able to get Robert Quinn, I would actually give me more impetus to figure out how to get it done with Lawrence, because now I have an opportunity, and

you don't get this opportunity very often. Yeah, I have an opportunity to have two really, really outstanding defensive ends that can rush the passer. That again, if if we're talking to go back to why I wanted them to go after Earl Thomas, is because I wanted them to take the step from being a good defense to being a great defense. You get two pass rushers. The quality of these guys that can also push you to the

direction of becoming a great defense. Your your direction and your desire to go that direction is great until you meet the big roadblock in front of you, the agent, until you, until you, until you So you have to deal with the money. I can get it. You're you're You're a team that can't just sit there and say, oh, we've got one player, wait till next year. We're doing this show. Oh can you believe they haven't signed any of these seven guys yet? How are they gonna play

without Dak? How are the gonna play without Zeke? How are they gonna play without Burne? Job? But you know as much as I do, Brian, and this is something that you can get it done. You can get it done. You can do whatever you want to do. You just gotta be willing to figure it out. But that's what I'm saying. Your willingness to figure it out might not be the gentleman who's living lady that's living somewhere else.

And that's what I said. I said, I don't think I think that they're going to negotiate this hard as they always do. I think they're gonna use this as leverage. If they can sign Robert Quinn, if they can trade for Robert Quinn, I think they're gonna use his leverage. Personally, my opinion, I would actually get the deal done with Tank regardless because I think that gives me an opportunity

to have two outstanding past been done. I'm gonna ask everybody here three months ago, yeah, two months ago, whatever, whatever month, I don't think I would have even gotten to free agency now. Of course, again I'm not writing that check, and and there may be things that I don't see about the salary cap that they do obviously, But at the end of the day, the way I look at it is this, this signing is about much

more than the amount of money and the player. It is about the fact that you asked this guy, show me, show me another year. If you asked this guy to not only be a good player, but you ask him be a good player, You ask him to be a leader, You asked him to to to bring his teammates along. And what did he do this year? No question. I think that the success of that defense in large part was due not just to his play, but his leadership of all the other guys that were on that defense.

He did all the things you wanted him to do. He checked all the boxes for me. I say, you pay a guy like that. If you'd had a bad season, they would have run to the table to offer him a low ball. They would they would have rushed in there to lowball. And he didn't have a bad season. And now they don't want to deal with it. And that's why don't they want to deal with David because it's going to be really expensive. Yeah. And then here's the part that here's the part that we don't know,

but they don't know. I don't know what the age makes it frustrating is they decided to play this game by franchising him. They were like, do it again and you'll be in line for even more money. Well, he did it. Again and he's in line for more money, and now you have to pay him. But here's the part, I don't know what the agent's asking. If the agent is asking, we want to be the highest paid defensive end in the NFL, then I see why the Cowboys of you like, sorry, but I have say, like you

entered into that game. That's how this works. I get that. But that also means that now you have to negotiate it hard because you're not willing to make him. And I don't think he should be the highest paid defense. I don't think he's the best defensive end in the NFL though, so I don't think he should be paid as the best defensive in the Cousins isn't close to be in the best quarterback in the NFL. And that's the market. That's a bad deal. That's a bad deal.

You don't what's a bad deal? For three year deal? What's wrong with that? What's a bad deal because you're paying it an amount of money that he's not do like, he has not earned that amount of money. The market, the market says that he said that, the team said that he did. That doesn't say the market the Vikings paid for the potential for him to be good. He didn't. He doesn't have a winning record. He's never won a playoff game. Like I think that the market was and

that's what you have to do. You have to pay for what's going to happen. That's my point is like, that's how this works. It might not be fair, but it's like the one thing in this league that favors the players, and that's just that's how it works. Will only give him twenty million dollars, Yeah, that's what they're telling you. I don't think they're telling you this is

going to be rushed into anything. I don't think this is leverage for him or against him or anything like that, because I mean, at the end of the day, he's got a twenty million dollars I mean franchise tag. Yeah, but if he doesn't want to play on that franchise tag, Let's assume for a second that he just decides, Okay, well, I'm gonna keep holding out. He does a levy on Bell, Well, if the Cowboys have Robert Quinn, now they're like, okay, you can go and sit and we don't have to

pay you. He can sign. I think he'll still sign the deal. And just play at twenty million. Yeah. The thing about sign the deal and he'll get a surgery. That's what I'm saying. If he signs it. If he signs the deal and doesn't play for you till October, the end of October, that that's a bad situation. That's you know, this is gonna sound really silly. I would rather trade him than live through that. I would rather.

I would rather trade him. I would rather trade him than live with him going into training camp not being there every day. Uh yeah, Jason, Uh? Any word on Laura's yet? No Nick? No word? Uh? Brian? Uh yeah, Brian, any word on Laura, any signing, on any anything going on? You know, have that information. Yeah, it's it's we can

only focus on the players that are here. If we can only focus on the guys that are here, if the choday, if the choices between trade him or you know, again, I think we talked about this last week, Like you get to training camp and he starts on pup and he's wearing a jersey and no pads and doing hamstring conditioning for four weeks and then easing into it like in September, and you know, October, we're playing the bills he might be ready for like, no, get no way.

I don't want that. I don't want the headache. It's not gonna make the team better. The relationship is gonna be bupkiss just no, thank you. And if he's not a happy player, I don't know if I necessarily want him in the locker room, if you can't find a way affecting other young player, if you can't find a way to get this deal done by the draft. But you know it's funny. And again, here's the thing which I think that Brian says. I think of that lunacy.

Just for the record, I think that's insane. What is is he trading him? But I would rather just rip that band aid off than draw this thing out. Yeah, yeah, I think they're gonna get a deal done. It's just amount of timing. And that's what bothers me about this is I want the timing happen now. I want him. I want him in all of the mini camps and OTAs leading that defensive unit. What I want. Where were you gonna say that I was gonna get you fired?

So no, I was gonna trying to get away from No, no, no, no, no, no, this is good, This is good radio. No, no, is is he wrong? Is he wrong in his demands? What depends on what he's asking for. If he's gonna be high pay defensive end, then I think he is wrong for them. Okay, do you think he's wrong? I don't think he's the best defensive end. You don't think he's wrong. No, I don't think that's what he's asking for it. But

I don't know. I don't know that really either. All I've heard is one comment from the agent at the Pro Bowl, and it sounded like it was He's like, what is this a big deal? I mean it's twenty million? I mean why why? Why is this taken so long? Is it start to at twenty million? So yeah, I start talking million, like, that's what I'm saying there, that's science start. You've already said. The Cowboys have already said, hey, we'll give you twenty million. Once you once you said

we'll give you. Now it's now now where are we? That means my counter offers gonna be twenty five. We'd like to, we'd like to, we'd like to pay you. We'll give you twenty million, but we'd like to pay you sixteen a year. It's you know, that's not going to work for its contract was what seventeen a year? Please don't look at that contract. Why no, no for them. For them, they would love a Dford if they walked

in right now and said, we'll take Dford money. The cow was, Oh, well, here Ford isn't in the same stratosphere. I'm saying he's not even close. No, I know, I'm saying that's that's that money. So he's way better more than that. There's no question for these other contracts that

are going to be coming in. That's what they're waiting on here, that these other that there's what there's three other defensive ends that are clowney clowney, So you just got you kind of want to want to see what the market looks like, right, yeah, right, Mickey's that's also the interesting part about this defensive end, I think we would all agree is probably one of the most important

positions in the NFL. And that's and the fact you have such premium names sitting out there they haven't been signed yet kind of suggests that there they need to kind of wait to see what the market does a little bit, right, But he's the best one I think in that group and I think the Cowboys clown Is he better than Clowney? Yeah, he's more reliable than Clowney. I think be Clowney had some issues earlier last year or two. I thought he played a ton of games.

He's playing opposite what's been the guy that hasn't been. So he's also who's playing right in. He's got an all pro playing frost line from him. I'll pull this up for you, Okay. Well, while while he's pulling it up, I did have one of the questions for you on on Robert Quinn. Let's assume, for second, Cowboys are interested, Dolphins are interested. How much you willing to give? What kind of pick are you willing to give in order

to acquire? If I don't have another team involved, and it's gonna take me a twenty twenty pick, with the thought of maybe I don't know the compensatory fate of this team yet of what they've lost, we'll see. But if I was thinking you're gonna if you went twenty

two one, you could probably go a four. If you do a four this year, knowing you have too that that might be if you had another team that was competing against you say, if the Saints who like to mess with you, that coach messages with you, he does her Cowny hasn't missed very many games. He's been pretty reliable. Lest couple still think Tank is better. Maybe so, I just I think they're I think they're comparable. I don't think one place than I write it. Yeah that this place.

They rose from the right side scheme they put a two time, they put a two time defensive player of the year, or run that left side scheme. Nonsense, go away, But no, you know the whole thing with I think that you have to think about if you don't, if you don't get into they they took a four for their quarterback. Do you start at the four because you

have two? Or do you or Everything the Dolphins have done since they hired their new coach suggests that they're going full freaking They're going full Brooklyn nets like Tanka Paloza there does kind of feel like that doesn't What does that team have right now? They are garbage? Sorry Miami Dolphins. No, I mean they're doing it on player you might want. They're trying to build it from the studs up. Yeah, they're trying to get right. If you're

doing that, maybe they have to get good value. My point is, I'm trying to give a twenty twenty pick because that's when that's what you're doing. I'm not trying to give picks that I'm using in three weeks. If you don't get these offense could have a twenty twenty pick if they just hang on to him. Depend Yeah, depending and they get a compensatory pick, but it'd be for Also, then they're stuck paying his salary to play in a scheme that he doesn't fit in for a year,

and that'll decrease. That decreases his value. Yeah, i'd give him, I'd give him a fourth, but I'd rather give him a fifth. But yeah, i'd started five for fourth gets it done if nobody else is in. If nobody else is in, let's go five. Yeah, I'd start with five and then go to the fourth and and think I might get a compensatory next year four one of my guys. I mean, you're gonna have all these you know? Yeah, No,

they are, I mean somebody. Yeah, when they tank, they'll get a whole bunch of stuff for him, So it'd be cool. But I mean I would, I would I would give him a third if I got their fourth something like that. Yeah. Are always those are the fund trades where it's like, well we got a third, but we gave up a fourth. Yeah, I mean because they're they're picking Layton the third, Copley with Layton third, that Dolphins would be higher in the fourth. I would do that.

Let me ask you this, since you brought it up real quick? Would you would you take if someone gave you two picks for Tank that like that Indie trade that we did on the would you yeah, would you pick the players that at say Indie trade twenty six fifty eight fifty nine? Would you pick the players or would you try and move that thing up? I think I'd rather just have three players. Sounds like this is a pretty deep draft on what I've heard. You guys

would know more about that. It sounds like a pretty deep draft. So I can maybe I keep the picks and you think we could get twenty six and thirty four out of the Colts, Boy, I tell you what that'd be both. Yeah. See they hold they hold Tank for a top five pass rusher, Yeah, working for a defensive coordinator that knows him really well on a team that's you know, got that went pretty deep in the playoffs. Would you do that in a heartbeat? I love Lawrence,

I absolutely love Lawrence. Any would it would hurt your team. But I'm trying like hell to get Quinn to help myself, to protect myself, which goes back Derek made and I agree with Derek, which you know that's rare for you and me. I know, let's say, wow, if you add Quinn to this team and sign Lawrence, you have taken a definitive step. No, there's no question toward winning a super Bowl, which is the goal, right, that is a goal.

If you get rid of Lawrence, even if you get a whole bunch of picks for him, don't try to sell me that you're going for the super Bowl. You're gone another too problem. I get to July and the guy hadn't soldier surgery. It's o Nober, and I'm not gonna get anything for him next year. I know. I'm just saying, don't try to sell me that the super Bowl is the goal. If you get rid of that guy, Well,

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America's team. Find steps and Hats in the pro Shop or at Stetson dot Com. Today. Back to the Break, Welcome back. This isn't the final segment of The Break Live from the s WBC Mortgage Studio. We get away with it? Couldn't I have to start? No? Ye, sure you could have done it. You could have done it last week when I wasn't on the show and I was on a beach tweeting you guys or texting you guys. But this week with me in studio, probably had a

good idea. And Andre Dillard, the Washington State tackle, he is flying up the boards and yes, so you guys know, if you're not catching the draft show, you're you guys gotta make sure you check that back every Thursday you talk about and we're going to at some point we'll let you guys know more details. We're gonna actually take that thing on the road. Just found it out this morning. No, why no, we're just gonna take it on there in Dallas concrete. Right, we'll be on the road, yeah, and

talk some drafts. So um, all right, let's get back into it. I want to talk about Eric Berry. He is the final of the three that we're talking about today. Pretty eventful show to excuse me. He visited Earl Thomas coming in and being the third segment, pretty like. Yeah, they visited the Texas Guy to be first segment, the first, second,

and third segment, Brian. They visited with an all pro at the position that everyone and that follows the Cowboys has been desperately trying to address for three years, and then we're saving it for the third segment. Yeah. Well there's a reason why because and I'll ask you guys this question. If you if you look at Eric Eric Berry and where he is in his career, I would say, of all the of the guys we've talked about the day,

he's the guy I'm least excited about bringing in. I would be more excited about Cobbin and Quinn than I would be about Eric Barry. But you guys feel read him well. I don't know about it. I don't know how good he would be, but I think as far as the likelihood to get him, I think he's you know, he's lower than Quinn just because you're talking about a trade. I mean, I think this is Eric Berry, what he's gone through in his life and everything that that's happened

to this point. This is his last chance to really get big money, and I think he's gonna go for that. And I don't know if the Cowboys could be that. But is anybody going to be willing to pay? Maybe I don't know if they will actually But and then it comes down to a good fit, good need, and I think that And I was thinking about this with

Quinn as well. I think if you look at the Cowboys defense, if I'm a defensive player and I have the option to come here, I think the Cowboys would rank right up there with any of the other teams as far as this team is good enough to go win. I mean, if you're a defensive end or a safety, you've got two badass linebackers there in between, you've got a Pro Bowl corner, you've got a Pro Bowl defensive end, maybe another one in Quinn. I mean, it would be

attractive to come here for this team. Can I ask you a question? Though you hate my scheme questions? Does he fit? They don't. They don't like what he can do? Yeah, go ahead, no go no, it's yeah. I like it's a good voice. Appreciate that. Does he fit? I think he fits? I mean, if you think of if you think of where you have with Xavier Woods, wherever he plays, wherever he I disagree. I think put him in the box, that's fine. What can he do at this point in

his career. I know he can tackle. I know he can tackle, and that's what I want my box safety to do. Anyway, he's probably better Jeff Heath, right, yes, better than Yeah, better Jeff Heath better, Jeff Heath, pro Bowl pedigree, all pro caliber work ethic. Put him in a locker room with Xavier Woods and all these other twenty three year old defense at that time, he's shown some passion for some players, and you're getting talking to you. Pisses me off. You're getting to You're getting to you

every week. I like kissed off two really great Pro Bowl caliber players in one signing because you because you would get Eric Berry at safety, and you would get Jeff Heath at special teams. And Jeff Heath, if he played just special teams, would be a Pro Bowler. Not only well that that's that's smart. Jeff Heath at third safety too, because we know they like to do that. That's that is the role that he was meant for. I want him on this team. I don't want him

starting safety Gardner Johnson from Miami. I don't want to spend my second round pick on that guy. Well, if they have Eric Berry. But okay, let me ask you this question, though, does it not that's good for you guys? He's only played three games in two years. It's terrifying. It is terrifying. He's and he played in three games

in two years. He didn't make it through one point. Yeah, No, I mean you now have you would now have two players that you worry about during the games, which, to answer your question, is the shot and leave of safeties. That's what you keep saying, Bobby Belt. It's a good line, but I rank him second behind Quinn. No disrespect to Randall Cobb. Like I think you know that's high praise because you said it in the first segment. You say that, you said that you thought the signing of Randall Cobb

was a really great sign. It is. But if you're getting, even if you're getting a healthy Eric Berry, even if he's like three steps slower than he used to be, I think it's an upgrade. I think everything I know about the guy, I've never met him, but everything I've ever heard is that he would be a hugely positive influence in the same vein as a Shan Lee, a guy who would take these young dudes under his wing.

And again, if he's healthy, play at a great level, maybe not at all pro level, but better than what we've seen from that position. I think it would be huge. And the only reason I wouldn't do it is cost and I just I have a hard time of leaving a guy that's only made it through two games in the last two years, who's thirty, and you know, yeah, but what about what do we we were kind of thinking, we were hoping for We were hoping for Earl Thomas.

Remember I was going one more day, one more day, and the next thing, you know, they just blow you away in and we were talking about, well, can earls stay healthy? Kenny? You know, I don't think that's clue. You don't think you don't think people are you do you think people are thinking about this guy as not being healthy at all? Right? I mean when you are play three games in two years. Yeah, that that scares the heck out of him. You're talking, what Earl broke

a bone? That's a freak, Like we're talking about a heel problem about legally? Yeah, and I don't know whoa whoa wait a minute. Now, you guys have gone from the top of the mountain to like jumping off the cliff. No, you have. Everybody's like all excited about it, and now you're killing my vibe. You're excited about it? My right? Nick? Why did he missed two years ago? He tore his achilles in the third quarter of the first game of the year. Yeah, and then last year, last year's gonna

have a very severe bone spur that. I don't know if it was related to the achilles, but it's like a it's got its own name. I don't remember what it is, but it's like a bone spur that digs into your achilles and supposedly it hurts. Like it's called that sounds like, yeah, bitch, yeah, well yeah, I mean it sounds like he played in the playoffs. Yeah, so sure, I would assume. But you guys, you guys had me go. Well, but he had me going. And now Allison, we're like,

you're in the second wave of free agency. You're not getting I'm you're not getting players I'm in. I'm saying that. I think I'm trying to temper my expectations a little bit because this is the classic example of huge upside. But there's a lot of risk involved, right, and if you guys only played three games in two years, there's a ton of risk. But there you can get the money to work. There's no risk involved if it's at

the right price, right. If you get the money to work, you mitigate the risk and then all you're doing is looking at potential upside. So from that standpoint, I think if they can get the right deal right, one year deal, then this could work. This will work really really well. You guys are going all one year deal, I would do, what would you do? I would do a three year deal. Oh I'm scared of that. Okay, would you get doing

one year? I asked? I asked for me. I'm front loading a lot of it Earl Thomas, but I don't know what. I haven't money. Earl Thomas got in. No, No, two years, eleven million guaranteed up. Yeah, I could do something like in the middle. But all I'm saying is this guy's doing great. Even we saw it was Sue felo a Field had one good start against Fletcher Cox, and we're like, well, was just see one year deal, He'll be back. Give me a break. Okay, I'm sorry, but no, no, I love I love to feel like

I was the one Dolion. I was like one year, that's a that's a different thing. But I'm just saying that nobody blows up. You don't want to have to do this again. No, but for two years, that's no, that's I hear what you're saying. But if one year deal gets it done, that's fine because you can get a compic for him. If he blows up, you can draft a guy this year that can step in. One year deal's fine, and not only I'd rather do it too.

But if you do it too, that's not very much money and he blows up, you're still gonna have to be back at the negotia take one, because he's gonna be like, I deserve more money. Do not have to fight anyone else? Though maybe maybe not. Maybe it becomes very messy and it ends up in the situation where you got it. Brian is saying, you got it. You gotta go ahead and just trade him, Just go and trade.

If the Texans, if the Texans got Honey Badger for seven million last year, I just can't imagine it would cost a ton more to sign Eric Bearer. I just think you get him on a one year and let's just see, it's a prove it kind of deal. I would pay him. I might be willing even pay him eleven million. Yea, I might even pay him like that seven million for a year, right, I would give him more money year one year deal. You better you better get d Law signed because that five for Cobb, what

eight for Berry or something like that? Eleven for Quinn if that happens, I'm just saying, but that all goes O. Look next year you can't play around with one year deals though they're one year they go in. I mean they love the one year deals. Yeah, I don't. At the same point, you've got to get the twenty million dollars one year deal. You got to work on that. I got it, But I guess the way I look at it in one year deals, I'm okay with the one years because I'm saying now after this year, when

contracts you have to do. That's kind of how you play this game is you look for those kind of bargain deals and guess what they're gonna be. More people like that are in the same situation as Robert Quinn, same situation as Eric Berry next year. That if you want to go out and do one year deals with those kind of guys, go do them. It happens every year that they are veterans who, like like Dave said, earlier, had that bad year and now they're available on the cheap.

So that's how you play that game. In my opinion, I get it. But why, But how much are you talking about with with Eric Barry eight, Let's just say that's the I don't even know that's the and that's he left here. I Garrett you know, this is the first time he's ever been a free agent. He's gonna look around and it all. I mean, it's the same thing as the draft. All it takes is somebody to be like, yeah, i'll give you twenty million dollars's to say nine the Ravens swoop. You know, did you see

the other offer that Earl. Earl Thomas was weighing, a one year, twelve million dollars offer from the Chief was about and was about ready to sign it, and the Ravens were like, well, we'll give you fifty. Yeah, so who the hell knows twelve? I think I think Earl didn't want to say anything nice about the Cowboys. That's fine. It's probably a little bit no, not happy. Yeah, that's probably where he wanted to He probably going to work out. Yeah, he's gonna say Kansas City was in the picture, Yeah,

when maybe Dallas might have been the pick. He just doesn't want to mention Dallas by either way. He knows he got in trouble by mentioning Dallas the first running over here, and he owned his money substantially at the eleventh hour. That's my only It always takes one to hear might have been pissed off the day before that game, and then whoever they were playing, he would have chased down that coach and be like, come get me when they kicked me. All right, let's let's quickly. I want

to take one call before the show's up. We have a call from Brian and Iowa. Brian, what up? Hey? What's up? Guys? Hey? Hey, do good? Um? I have a couple of questions. Uh, a couple of my Iahawkeye players,

t J Hodginson and no fan. If it's possible if Dallas would want to trade up to get one with Tens and then um, if Dex still Lawrence had a chance to fallen into Cowboy's lap, what would you guys think he would look like alongside Woods and Lawrence and possibly Quinn and in that line, thank you nice little draft show questions That was tomorrow on the show. Both those tight ends go in the first round. I would give a finger to have either of those tight ends

on this team. Yeah, but they've got a knife. The cost, The cost is large if you trade the defensive end. Yeah, hey, hey, you want to trade full circle? Right, you're a trade all number ninety And now we're taught now you're at twenty six and you have fifty eight and fifty nine and you can go up to fifteen and get Hockinson. Let's go. There's no way they're going to use a high pick on a one technique. Lawrence is from Clemson. What if he said fall in their laps? Though, you

think they'd use fifty eight on him. Not that he'll fall that far, but I don't know. I mean, if if they had to, I think that you'd have to. I think he's gonna go okay if he falls in your lap. Yes, consideration, I personally think they're gonna take that Boston cost. You've you've made yourself well. My guy was on even if the show, would you see that? What's up? Even if they go get Robert Quinn, you still they think they would go in in the Yeah.

I think I think it's gonna be about depth. And I mean you were talking one year deals and stuff and all that. I still think they need. They feel like they need defensive ends, defensive ends in safety. Yeah, that's okay, Yeah, fight it out. Tristan Hill. Jonathan Abram was on NFL Network. That's that's big fifty eight us more. Who is he Mississippi State safety Garrett loves his kids. Hits like an FB eight. What number at Mississippi State? Thirty eight? Yeah, Yeah, I've seen him. You like him?

He's uh, he's what yes, So he must have had a good day that they played, Yes, but he's like a linebacker safety's yes, he's what Jason Garrett would call it r KG. Yeah, and he's gonna be available fifty eight. Let's say he's that good. We're not picking him at fifty eight. We're picking him at thirty four after we trade Tank to Colts. Told you this got it? Bar? What are we doing? Like? I'm just tomorrow and eleven ambles on this show? Right, yeah, all right. We appreciate

you guys joining us to the Colts. We will be back next week, next Wednesday, we'll have more talk. Hopefully it'll be more signings. Maybe a Robert Quinn in the building. We'll see until then for Nick even Dave Hellman, Brian brought us. I'm Derek Eagles and this has been the Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.