Cowboys Break: Who Gets The Most Carries?

edition of The Break. We are alive from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star and we appreciate you guys taking some time with us to talk Cowboys football. Got a lot to get into today. We will be talking specifically about Kansas City Chiefs their defense versus the Cowboys offense. We're gonna take some time to talk a little bit about the running backs on the Cowboys. There was a little bit of talk yesterday, Dave. You wrote an article about what they had to say and when

Jason Garrett had to say. And we'll talk about the running back position what we think will happen there without Ezekiel Elliott. And we will also begin the show talking about the injury report which we always do. So how's everybody doing this morning? Baller a F Derek ball or AF. I like it. Yeah, that's a good attitude right there. And yeah, all right, what does a stand? Can't talk about it. I'll just get it. Tell you later, tell you laid office. I'm good, Nick, good, all good, good,

all right, good, nice and full Nick. So you get a nice healthy breakfast there before we get on the air, I was working on it. There you go. All right, let's get into it. Let's talk some injuries. Cowboys had four players who did not practice yesterday for various injuries. Cheetahbewoozier, Dan Bailey, Tyrn Smith, Cole Beasley. Really the one there that I think is most of note because it's new. We'll not really new, but at least it's something that

we're monitoring for the week. Um, it's Cole Beasley. Any word at this point on where he is he is in the concussion protocol where he isn't in that protocol. Yeah, Jason Garrett said he's doing really well. He's been in team meetings, he went trick or treating on Tuesday night and was posting videos. He appears to be a great video was it was cute, cute as hell. Yeah, Garrett said, he hasn't really been showing a whole lot of symptoms and such. You know, head injuries are always weird, so

I don't want to prescribe too much. I don't know if he'll play, but it sounds encouraging. So and if he doesn't play in this game, then I would imagine he would be back in time for Atlanta. So, I mean, we've talked about it before. The guys that have concussions, I mean maybe they treat it differently around here. We've had two so far and they haven't played any football since. So I would think that Nolan Carroll and Enrico Gathers are not weighed the same as Cole Beasley here. But

in all, concussions are differently. Love just saying the two that we've seen before, they have not played. So I would like to think he'll be ready to go. If he's out trigger treating, you know, good scary out there, I'm sure he'd be good. All right, Let's talk about a couple of guys that were limited in practice yesterday. Noah Brown thigh injury, Des Briant with a knee injury, Willie Collins a foot injury. He showed up on the injury report last week but played, and then DeMarcus Lawrence

shows up with a calf injury. Any of those concern you. They were limited in practice, so the assumption is they at least did some things, which is better than no practice at all. I would assume anytime you're riding bikes, you know you're gonna hurt your calf or you have a chance to hurt your calf. So yeah, I mean, I know he was riding by We all saw that he was riding bikes, So I just hope that that doesn't come back to hurt this team. He rides. He

rides his bike every single day though. This is nothing new except when you put it on camera maybe or something like that. Maybe it hurts. What don't shake your head at me? Why are you killing you where I'm not? I'm not. I love Tyrone Crawford, He's great. Um um, yeah, I don't know. I'm not concerned. But those will all be things Jason Garrett talks about. That is fine. I saw and talked to Das yesterday. I don't think that's a big deal. But you know, you have to list

that stuff when something happens. So none of those four bother me as of yet, but I mean that'll be something Jason Garrett talks about today. If any of them concern me, it would be DeMarcus because I hadn't heard anything about that, and you know, he's playing pretty really good player. He's playing pretty well, So all right, Tittabae Woozier. Just for the purposes of catching everybody up, the assumption is he didn't practice again yesterday. He hasn't been practicing

last few weeks. At this point, we unless we hear otherwise, the assumption is that he is probably not going to be ready to play again this week. I have moved him into that category in my mind where I'm just like, all right, you don't have him. Yeah, He's into that drop by Kent where you're just like, okay until you hear that otherwise he is not going until Honestly, I don't even care about his practice status, like I need to see him in uniform on Sunday to believe that

he's gonna play. You think, even when he's healthy, he may still be inactive. I mean, he's been out on the field every day for three weeks. Like people like every day. I'm like, I tweeted out, I report who's at practice, like everybody was at practice today? Or what people are like, Cheeto was at practice, so he's gonna play And I'm like, he's been at practice since week six. That hasn't translated to him being ready to play. And

let's make a distinction. Being at practice doesn't mean he's practiced, right, means he's there. I mean, you know, he warms up, he does some patent go and some other stuff, and then he works with this conditioning, you know, the training staff on his hammy. He doesn't we are talking about

the game, We're talking about practice. You're damn right, Ai, You're right, and it's frustrating, But I mean you want to be cautious with that, you know, I mean, you don't want to sideline him for longer than he already has been. But he's been sidelined for basically half the season, So I mean, I don't know what to make of that. Maybe he's not good enough to play. I mean, maybe

he's practices, but maybe he's not the best option. I would have a hard time believing that because they wouldn't list him as a DNP if he was going through the team portions of practice, right, right. But I'm just saying when you get when you get to the game though, like he has been, he hasn't been active for the games. That's what I'm saying. That maybe he's not going to be maybe not, I mean, maybe he's not better than

like Ben Wickery. I mean, you would like to, you would like for him to get the opportunity, but I'm just saying he may not be. Here's talking about once he's healthy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I mean that that's something that we'll have to see because he hasn't played a whole lot, so you just don't know. You don't know what the coaches think of his readiness to be able to play either. So all right, let's jump back into the running back situation. Obviously,

Ezekiel Elliott as of right now is suspended. There's still is kind of that hell marry that's kind of sitting over there out in space there the NFLPA waiting for a ruling on whether they can get a an appeal heard by or at least a temporary restraining order from the Second Circuit Court, which they asked for it by Friday, the courts under no obligation, right, just FYI, Right, So there is this really really really small chance that something

happens there. But assuming none of that happens, they're going to play without Ezekiel Elliott. And yesterday I thought it was interesting because Jason Garrett, the running backs that are left on the team all had something to say about it, and they all seem to say the right thing. Let's actually listen to what Jason Garrett had to say about how they plan to work these running back in these

running backs in Kent. Excited about the opportunity for those guys. Again, each of those guys have been very productive players, and a Rod being the most inexperienced of the group, but he's done a lot of positive things for us and the opportunities he's gotten. Darren's been very productive, Alphred has been productive with his opportunities even though they've been limited. And you know, we're excited about giving those guys chances to go play. And you know, I guess your question

is how do you substitute them. We're gonna give him each opportunities. We're not gonna lay out what that plan is they'll get opportunities to practice, and we'll work day by day this week, and we think each of those guys will have an opportunity to help us. So it sounds like they're all going to get a chance. I

was Jason Garrett talking about the running back position. My question for you guys is just based on what you know of this team, based upon your experiences covering this team and the coaches, what do you anticipate will happen with regards to how they run these guys out. Who starts, who's the guy that you think will get the bulk of the carries. What are maybe some of the roles that you could see for some of these guys. Well,

I think Alfred Morris will probably start. That's the way that that's who they like the best, and that's that's who they've liked this whole year, So I think he will start. And then I think it'll just come down too who's playing the best. I mean, if some guy rips off a thirty five yard run, then he's gonna play. So I think they're just gonna give I don't know about third down. I I would say that they kind of rotate McFadden in some but I bet you it's

Rod Smith gets in there. But I mean, whoever plays the best in the second half, you know, in the first half play in the second. I just ride the hot hand. That's kind of most people do it. I bet this is going to look a lot like kind of what we thought it would look, or what we talked about it looking like in training camp, in the sense that Darren McFadden is your number two running back who plays third downs and has receptions and stuff like that.

You know, you talk about him being the better option as a true backup running back, and I think that's what he'll be here. I think Alfred Morris is going to have the bulk of the carries at least until somebody proves that they should have more, and then yeah, McFadden will fill that role that we kind of talked about him having at training camp. And I don't like this,

but I think I don't want to afterthought. Seems harsh, But I would imagine Rod Smith's workload is far smaller than the other two guys, at least to start, but I hope that he plays well enough to merit more of that as this stretch goes on. I mean, six games is a lot, so he'll have his opportunity to show he can do at some point and hopefully he makes the most u It, Amber, what do you think I'd rather see Rod Smith like? I'm anxious to see him play a lot more and see him out on

the field. Honestly, I know Darren is a veteran and I'm sure he's gonna get a lot of playing time here, but he hasn't played a game. We haven't seen him play. When we did see him in the preseason, he wasn't any great, So, I mean, he had some plays, but nothing. Wow. Obviously Alfred was a lot better than him. So I'm hoping that the Cowboys do give rod Smith some chance to kind of go out there a little bit more and prove himself. It's interesting you guys mentioned rod Smith.

Jason Garrett was asked about Rod Smith and maybe what his opportunities might be. Can't can you play that for us? Oh? I think they're all different. They all have strengths. They each have different things they can bring to the table, and again, we have confidence in them. You know, We've given rod different opportunities to run the ball, play on third down. He's been a very good special team's contributor for us, and he's just a guy who comes to

work every day with tremendous passion. He loves to play, and he's getting better and better every day, so he's gonna get an opportunity to do something for us on offense as well. Yeah, it sounds like I mean, obviously they're saying all the right things. Jason's not gonna gonna show his hand on this one until the game, so

you won't really know what they're gonna do. But Dave Ivan heard you mentioned yesterday something similar to what Amber saying, and that you you'd think Alfred's going to be the guy to get the ball of the carries, but you'd like to see them not make rod Smith an afterthought because you think there may be something there. And I personally agree with that. I think I think he's a guy that has some Obviously he's got size, he's got speed. I'd like to just kind of see and maybe that's

what it is. It's just more you want to see it. You know, you kind of want you kind of know what those other two guys are. You kind of want to see if rod Smith has a little something going all the way back to April, like, there is a lot of quiet confidence in this building that he's a beast, and I would like to see him get a chance to showcase that he had a chance. And he did it at training camp. I mean, he was great at

training camp. He was great in the preseason. He was like the goal line touchdown vulture at training camp, Like it seemed like he was always the guy picking up

the rushing touchdowns. Having said that, like I said a minute ago, I just don't think it's realistic to think a guy with twelve career carries in the NFL is going to magically just vault over these veterans with thousand yards seasons and literally thousands of carries on their resume for this coaching staff, Yeah, well for one hundred percent

until he does something that they can't ignore. And I mean it's not like they don't have confidence in them, you know what I mean, But it just Alfred Morrison Darryn McFadden have been doing this and doing it well in the NFL for a long time, and I don't I think that they will have the first chance to really do this thing well. And we'll see how it goes. As you know, as these games go along. I know Darren obviously, it's a veteran and has a lot of experience.

But are you guys expecting him to come into this game and play pretty well out there, even though he hasn't played at all this season so far, aside from the preseason. I don't. Yeah, I mean, I expect him to be I just my feeling about this whole thing is I just expect him to be fine. I don't expect him to light the world on fire or be terrible. I just think they will be fine, They'll be good. Actually, I actually kind of agree with you saying I don't.

I don't really expect and I you know, this is always you just don't know how they're going to do it. But I don't really expect that I'm gonna that we're gonna see a whole lot of Darren McFadden. I think this is really gonna be Alfred Morris and Rod Smith. I actually think those will be the two guys that

will get the bulk of the carriers. I think McFadden will get a couple, but I honestly think that at the end of the game, we'll look back at the at the stat sheet and Alfred Morris is going to be the guy that basically carried the load for them. There's something to be said for I mean, you know, he is a veteran, but this coaching staff also isn't the type to just throw a guy into the fire after six weeks on the shelf. I mean, and that

doesn't seem overly responsible for that matter. So that's something worth keeping in mind. Yeah, I mean, I think when it's all said and done, I don't know how many times you think they're going to run the ball on Sunday, let's say twenty six. Yeah, I would guess Alfred Morris will have at least sixteen or seventeen of those twenty six carries. Like that's my guests. I think he's going to be at least, you know, to start this thing off. I think he's gonna get the bulk of the carries.

It seems like they're very confident. You listen to the running backs in the locker room yesterday. Alfred was talking a lot about Look, this is this unchanging thing for us. We do what we do we think will be fine. Are you as confident as they are that they can carry the load as a group and not really have a significant drop off from what they've been able to accomplish. With Ezekiel Elliott, I'm not as confident as they are, but I shouldn't be, you know what I mean, Like,

I hope you're confident. You're two time Pro bowler, You've been in this league since twenty twelve. You know you've been on playoff teams, You've been thousand yard rusher. I would hope that you're really confident. I actually said that. I was on one O five through the fan last night, and if you think back, it feels like ancient history

at this point. But Alfred Morris joined this team before Zeke was drafted, and there was a lot of excitement about what he might be able to do behind this offensive line, like the I mean, people thought that he would have a career renaissance of sorts if he was the Bell cow back, and obviously it didn't work out that way because of Ezekiel Elliott. But I would hope that he's really confident that he can do some good things. I think he'll be fine, But like I said, I

would hope he's more confident than I am. How confident Unick, Well, I think that I think that all three of them are gonna play. I mean, I don't think that they're gonna play. They're gonna do what Zeke does. But but I just think it's gonna come down to what the defense does. If the defense can keep them in the game and keep them to the point where they can't still run their offense, I think that these guys can still run the offense. I don't I agree with you.

Mcfan's not going to get a ton of carries unless he makes the most of them early that they're not going to try to you know that they don't want that to happen. They want Morris, they want rod Smith. But if if McFadden gets in there and does things that these other guys aren't doing, then you know he's gonna play. He does have the explosiveness. I think we're forgetting a little bit about what happened in the preseason. I think he was. You know, there's no way that

Morris was clearly better than McFadden. I think McFadden was, you know, had times wherever he was better, but he did fumble and then that that was the key, and that's always been the key for him. And that's what I would worry about with him not being playing for six games. All right, let's take our first break. When we come back from the break, we're gonna jump into the Kansas City defense. Dave will give us a scouting report.

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Chiefs offense pretty explosive. I think we all came out of that show a little bit wondering how this defense, how the Cowboys could match up against an offense like that. But let's look at the flip side of the Kansas

City defense. Dave give us Scott a report on that defense. Well, if we bummed you out yesterday, I'm here to make you feel a little bit better today because it's funny you just like you just kind of get stuck in that mold we're talking about that yesterday where you're just like, Ah, the Jaguars are terrible. No, they're not. Like it's just been this recurring cycle for so long that you think that I think of or I thought of the Kansas City Chiefs as like this rugged, smash mouth defense where

they'd have to quarterback. Yeah, they're not very good. They're not very good at all. They have the they head into this game with the thirtieth overall defense in the NFL. They're giving up three hundred and ninety two yards per game. I actually, while I was doing research for this, I read a gamer a game story from Monday night, and the story was about how the Chiefs defense got back on track against the Broncos, which they did. I mean, they got I think they had three sacks, they turned,

they got five takeaways. But this story was like, they only allowed three hundred and sixty yards in this game. And like that was supposed to be good. I was like, that's not good, Like that's not something you should brag about in your game story. They are twenty eighth against the run, giving up one hundred and thirty one yards per game. They are twenty eighth against the pass, giving

up two hundred and sixty one per game. Their nineteenth in scoring defense, giving up twenty three So scoring a decent bit better than yardage, which sounds a lot like the Cowboys. They're forcing opponents to kick field goals and they get takeaways. So with that in mind, there's a couple things that stand out to me. One, I think this defense shockingly missus Eric Berry a lot. He tore his achilles on in the fourth quarter of the first game of the season. Daniel Sorenson is the guy that's

mainly responsible for replacing him. What's that? Oh yeah, I thought you said, or Darren no poor? Yeah? Um, so he's not a bad player, but he's not Eric but he's got here. Yeah, And I mean Eric Berry's an All Pro. He's great against he's a great tackler, he's great against the run, and I think you see him missing when it comes to them trying to stop the run. Um Sorensen's down in the box a lot. They do like he's like a almost like a heavy nickel. He's

their run support safety. He's just not as good at it as Eric Berry would be. The other thing, the other two things I noticed, Um justin Houston again, kind of a hard guy to track because if this was like twenty fourteen, we'd be I mean, it's like JJ Watt, be real, real afraid. Um. Then he's got two injuries, two knee injuries that really limited him the last two years. However, he seems like he's on the come up, like I think he's I think he might be back because he's

got seven and a half sacks through eight games. He had two against Denver a lot. Here's the other thing. I'm actually actually I wish I'd let off with this, to be honest, because I'm I'm aggravated because I spent the last five years listening to the Brian Broadesses of the world talk about the right end bull crap, Like all the good pass rushers in this league are lining up on the left side these days, like I'm going

to capture the corner the right end. That's the most important position of bs because DeMarcus Lawrence is on the left side, Ryan Carrigan was on the left side, Von Miller's on the left side, and Justin Houston's about to be on the left side. So what do you think that is? I'm guessing. Well, I mean, obviously it's an easy answer. Obviously you want to take advantage of the lesser tackle, right But then why why has it been football one oh one for the last decade that the

most important position is your right end? And because they think because you know there's a blind the blind side like like that matters, it does much. It does not, really, no, And I think a lot of them they want to go up they see this tackle, they see that tackle, they want to go up against them. Say, look at the Cowboys. It makes sense, which is why again going

back to the draft. All right, I'm getting off topic, and I'm sorry, but people are like, well, Taco just he's probably not a right end, he probably doesn't have that quick twitch. And I'm like, I don't care. Can he play end at all? Can he play left end? Move him somewhere, do something creative instead of just talking about right end. So that's aggravating. Justin Houston is going to play left end, and it's going to be yet

another tough matchup for Lyle Collins. I think he has the potential to wreck this thing for the Cowboys if he's playing the way that he can, which he's got seven and a half on the season. He had two on Monday nights, so that seems like something worth watching. When when he gets a sack, they are five and oh.

This year, when he doesn't, they're one and two. So teams have been able to kind of control him obviously, and then he hasn't wrecked the game like you're saying, Um, d Ford, is there other rush linebacker out of injured right now out of Auburn? He he is. But I believe did he practice? He practice has limited yesterday? Um or actually I take that back. I think he did not practice. Did not. I don't think he practiced. I'd have to go back and look at that. You can

go ahead. He's he's a tweenter type. He's he's gonna be the guy that's on Tyron Smith if he does play, which that's a win for Tyron Smith all day long. I think, um, the other guy that really stands out and in fact, it's probably dumb that I guess he did not practice. Did not that is that is something to watch, although really back injury, I would he's a he's a wash anyway, like de Ford. I'd be stunned if he's getting the better of Tyron Smith in this

game based on what I watched. Um, Marcus Peters, you should probably know Marcus Peters. He's got seventeen interceptions since he was drafted in twenty fifth. Really really good player. Well, it seems like what was that a couple of weeks he goes. It seems like he got beat up a little bit a couple of weeks, like teams A team kind of took advantage of him a few weeks ago. Who was that that they played? They played oak They played Oakland, and I mean Oakland moved the ball and

scored thirty points. Yeah, maybe I think it was him that got I saw him get beat a couple times for a touchdown, and I I wouldn't classify Marcus Peters at least not yet. I mean, he's a damn good cornerback, but he's not Patrick Peterson. Like you're just not gonna complete any passes on him. Like I don't you'll win some, you'll lose some, though, but he well, not like that. But he is a ball hawk. Like the ball finds him, he gets it. It's and it's not just picks he had.

He recovered a strip and return it for a touchdown. Like he's just around the ball and he makes plays on the ball or you know, if the ball is tipped in his direction, he's going to find a way to it. So throw at him at your own risk, basically, which the other thing, they're right cool. I don't know why you would throw at him because their right cornerback is a disaster zone. Does he travel? Uh No, he

mainly plays left. Okay, Terrence Mitchell, we all remember Terrence Spechel. Yeah, he's had some he's had some really good games for them, but he's also had some dumpster fire efforts, which case against Trevor Simeon and a Denver passing attack that was not working. On Monday, he got benched for Kenneth Acker. I don't know if that's going to be a permanent switch or if it's just kind of one of those things.

I don't think they have a solution that they like on the right side, and they're just kind of doing their best with what they got. So that's something I'm looking for. Maybe you would imagine that you can take advantage of that a decent amount. Peters has to travel with death, right, Well, that's kind of what I'm thinking, is like I just said, he stays on the left side. But like in my head, I'm like, are they really just gonna let dead line up against whatever's going on

over there? Because that doesn't seem start with him. Yeah, which is whether but whether it's DEAs, whether it's Terrence Bryce, whatever, I think you can get some big wins over there, which is something I'm looking at, the big thing for them. So I'm looking at this and I'm like, so, how are they doing enough to win games if their defense is this porous, which I mean it really, it hadn't

been good. They gave up one hundred and seventy six rushing yards to Levy on Bell and the Steelers, which I made sure to watch that game because I feel like that's how the Cowboys are going to play this thing. And he was just doing his thing. I think he ran the ball thirty two times for one hundred and seventy six yards. Ste Zeke this week, right, yeah, I wouldn't it, but there's still that Harold hell Mary. We talked about the Chiefs have and this it comes back

to this. I think they have thirteen takeaways, which is okay, it's not amazing, but again, going back to the offense, only three turnovers, so they're plus ten in turnover differential, which I don't know. Something's got to give there right between. I mean, the Cowboys are pretty good with the ball. They're not very good at taking it away though, so I think it's gonna be hard to win the turnover

battle in this game when you consider the Chiefs. I like the Chiefs odds of getting some takeaways better than I like the Cowboys. Basically, that's what I'm saying. All right, let's go scatter report now, Amber Nick, I need one thing, If you could isolate one thing about this offense. I'm sorry about this defense. What would it be. We'll start first with you. Amber. Well, I kept looking at things that could possibly make me feel better about this game

on that area, so I was looking. Without getting into all the numbers, I would say their defense is the worst in letting the opponent get their first downs, also letting rushing plays for ten plus yards, Nick, was that your point? Sorry, that does stand out, and and it's good to notice that because that does stand out, especially when they're not playing with Zeke and you wonder how they're going the ball, right, So that's gonna be very important.

And also from the Cowboys offensive line, I think they're gonna really have to help our running backs right now. I'm making sure they open those holes for them to let them kind of get those yards because we do know that zek is the one guy that can go up against and get those extra one yard or two yards for those to get that first down. And I'm not feeling very confident about our running backs being able to do that as explosive as Zik has been able

to do. So, so that's gonna be very important. And they're gonna have to take advantage of this of their defense not being able to really stop the rushing the run right now, and basically that's it. That would be the one thing. And again, the Cowboys have been very successful at scoring. They have scored pretty much over thirty points every game, right, I mean over the last month. Yeah, so they've been good at that. And also once they're

inside the thirty yard, the Cowboys rank second. They're still in second place in the league of getting you know, touchdowns every time they're inside the thirty. So that's good for them, all right. Um, I'm gonna go flip to the side that actually some things that they do well. Kansas City's defense does well. You know when you're looking at you said inside the thirty. Um, and then let's

go into the twenty. On the red zone. How about this, when when teams are on third down against the Chiefs inside the red zone, Chiefs are getting off the field nine I mean that they're only converting nine percent of those the teams that they're gonna now in the red zone, in the red zone on third down, the Chiefs are stopping them ninety one percent of the time. Wow. Yeah.

And the league average, that's the league average is thirty six percent, which is about third down conversion average anyways. But when the Chiefs defense down there inside the twenty, teams are only getting nine percent of their third down conversion. So settling for field goals. And now you settle for field goals and you've got nu gent. Let's see, in the last week it was good in a bad situation, so it should be nice and you know, that's really

an amazing number. We really pent of the time in the red zone they hold to a field goal, that's within the twenty they hold to a field goal. Well, I mean, but not necessarily, not necessarily, you can't just say it ninety one percent of the time they're holding to a field goal. They hold them to not a touch they're stopping them on third down. Some that doesn't necessarily mean you know, third and one from the one they stop them, doesn't mean on fourth and one they

don't get the touchdown. But they are on third down for the most part, which is setting up for a field goal. So for the most part, most of the time. Yeah, and that that number, that ninety one percent, even if you factor in those few times that maybe they convert a fourth down, that's still is going to keep that number pretty high, probably thirty six exactly like that three times.

There's some bad teams. That's nuts, that's crazy. Yeah. And and they're and they're bringing that average down to thirty six, you know, because think about how many teams are at nine percent. Yeah, So that that's amazing. So you don't want to get to third down, and the Cowboys do that a lot, especially without Ze, it's gonna be tough. Yeah, field goals aren't gonna cut it against these guys, and

they're not. So that's and you know, that's one of the things I was going to point out with this team. I think that you were talking about Howard teams, you know, with this defense playing as they play, when you look at just the numbers, Howard teams still losing. It's really about the offense. This team is all predicated on pressuring the opponent, pressuring their offense to have to keep up

with the scoring. Right. We've seen other teams in the NFL in past years where you have a really really explosive offense, the Dallas Cowboys, right, What it does is the defense is the benefactor of the fact that the offense puts so much pressure on the other team's offense and you fall behind by one score and you start panicking like we gotta make that up because that offense is going to be hard to stop them. And so not to mention the again, they don't do anything stupid

to give the opponent an easy field. I mean to what two turnovers turnovers? Three no, I'm sorry, three no interceptions, three turnovers? Want well, Tyreek Hill, but Alex Smith has none. Yes, but yeah, I'm just saying. I mean the quarterback. They've turned the ball over three times in eight games. That's crazy. It is crazy. It's when you look at this team, I think, and that's where I keep going back to how did other teams that have beaten and beat them?

I think the real key is can you run the ball enough to where you keep their offense off the field and give them limited opportunities? As you said, that's what the Steelers were able to do. They ran Leveon Bell a huge I mean, that's a large number of

carries for any running back. But if you can do that, and you can do it effectively, now you keep their offense off the field, that gives you the best chance to And that's also and I don't know if this I don't see the Steelers as this defensive juggernaut either, but that I mean, that's about as napped as the Kansas City offense has looked all year too. I mean they scored thirteen points, a lot of three or now. It's a lot of not taking advantage of field position.

So well, let's go back to what you said a little earlier. When you're talking about the you said, you know, how, what would you expect Cowboys gonna run the ball twenty six times this game? Actually, I kind of think it'll be a little bit more. What do you guys think?

I think in a game like this, and as we're kind of evaluating this team, even though you don't have your stud running back, you got running backs that you think if they are confident in do you think that maybe this is a game where you, even if you do it by committee, you got to be rushing thirty plus in order to really have a chance at success here. Yeah, but you it's kind of the flip side. You have to have success to rush the ball thirty plus. Yeah. So I mean I always think teams are going to

go into a game trying to run the ball. But if it's just second nine and then third and seven, then you throw, then you're not running and you're not getting off the field. So I think they're gonna try to run the ball. I think Jason Garrett will probably say yesterday and they'll say it today. We're gonna do

what we do. But that's the kind of my point though, is if they're going to be successful, we'll just have to be a game where they run the ball a lot, because you're right, they're gonna have to run it effectively in order to keep running it. But is there chance for success gonna be their ability to run the ball, and if they don't run the ball, it's gonna be hard to win. Terrence Williams needs to make some plays. I mean, there's just no doubt about. He needs to

make plays in this game. If Beasley's out there winning, those guys need to make plays. But I mean they really need something from that wide sever not just the set number two options, but did they need to spread the ball out and he needs to be able to make some plays. Then they need to be able to count on him. So I think he's my key player for this game because then they can kind of run the ball. You know, I think you saw it. There's no way Zeke's gonna rip off a seventy one yard

run against the Rams like that. The defense was different with Morris in the game, and I think the defense will be different, so they need to kind of take advantage of that. Yeah, I agree, and I hear you, Derek. Yeah, I mean, ideally you want to flirt with forty carries. I mean ideally, Yeah, but not only does it depend on how you're running the ball, probably defends on how

your defense is doing against the Chiefs. I mean, if this is a track meet, then I just think that's not realistic to think that you know you're going to be you know, if they're down fourteen to three in this game right off the bat. I'm not saying you abandon the running game, but it's just harder to play that grind it out style of football like you saw against San Francisco. You have to be in control of

the game to play that way. One thing I will say is if you go back to that would have been two thousand and fifteen, yea, they went when to Marco Murray last year, to Marco Murray's fourteen. If you go back to that, it's sad with time. I am

bad with time, and I admit that. Yeah, But if you go back to that season, one of the things that was I think a trademark of this team is they will fall behind in games sometimes, and they would can they would then the next drive when they fall behind, they would commit to the run, like that would be a drive when they just run. Absolutely, I'll never run. I'll never forget them trailing twenty one to three in Saint Louis and just coming out and run all down

their throats. But and I'm that you're right, like falling into a hole is no reason to give up on the running game if it's early. But if you're talking about thirty and forty carries and just run like just like a you know, we're staying the same. The only thing that opened it up for them to run the ball as much as they did in the second half against Washington was establishing a double digit lead and Washington not being able to move the ball in the ring.

I mean, if if you're not in control of the game, and if I mean if Kansas City's dictating the pace that they go down the field, I just don't know how realistic that is. But I think this is a huge game, obviously for for Dak. I mean, this is the first time he's really going to go out there and play a game without Zeke, and all the pressure

is going to be on him. And it just so happens that, you know, halfway up to the stands will be a guy that he whose job he took in Tony Romo, so and it'll be interesting to see how he plays this game. There's gonna be some kind of videos on the screen about Romo and welcome back and all that kind of stuff and and come back. He's handled everything that he's done, you know, every time there's been a big moment for Dak other than the first half of the Packer game, but for the most part,

he's handled everything you know that he's done. And he played well in that in the playoff game on the in the second half. But we'll see how he does in this game. There would be a lot of a lot of eyes on him. Yeah. I mean, we've just spent a lot of time focusing on their run defense, but they're not great against the pass either. Like there, I mean, there should imagine this is a really really good football team that could use the number eleven overall pick.

I mean, they're a lot like the Cowboys, but because they're getting nothing out of their front pie. Yeah, but I'm just saying they are. I mean, God, I just imagine their defense is Okay, what if they had like the number eleven overall pick a linebacker or a pass rusher or something or another corner. I hear what you're saying, but I don't know. I'm I drank the my Homes kool aid big time during the preseason. Like I think, I think he's gonna be a good player. I think

he would be too. But if I'm Kansas City, he wouldn't. I would trade him. I no, no, I disagree. Big Wow, that was a big state. You think they would like that. Well it's too late now, but yeah, right, well yeah it's too late. But but why why would you have

done that at that point? Well, I mean I would try to try to get some kind I mean, I try to get a first for him, a team like Cleveland or somebody that doesn't doesn't have anything, and I would try to get something like that for him, because I because Alex Smith is really good, and you're soul in the fact that they should keep Alex Smith for there for see for a little for a little while, and then you know you maybe you draft another pick.

But I mean, I'm somebody's kicking themselves. I think for drafting him. I will say this though, I think the value only grows. I don't think you have to do it this year. I think you give him another training camp and if he performs in next year's preseason like you performed in this year's preseason. Yeah, what you can get for Patrick Mahons Mahomes after that is probably more

than what you could have gotten right now. Probably. I mean, Alex Smith is playing at the peak of his abilities right now, and I'm not one hundred percent convinced it's good enough. Really well, yeah, I mean we have you got to prove it. The Chiefs have been good for four or five years at this point, and I think they have like two playoff wins against not great. Has that been on him? We don't, I mean a little bit. Yeah,

I mean you're not. We have not seen a guy that's on that like Aaron Rodgers level of putting a team on his back. He's a good quarterback. Yeah right, we have not on a lot of guys in the league, just to be fair that of that. But but what I'm saying is potentially you're ceiling with Mahomes could be so much higher. If he's what they hope he is. I would never get rid of that. I would. I mean, if he keeps progressing, I would hand him the keys. Because the flip side of that is like, oh my god,

how much crazy better does this offense look? With this freaky Texas tech kid who can run, run around in the pocket and has this insane arm. I mean, I don't. I'm very intrigued by that guy, and they don't need him right now, but I think they're gonna be happy they My problem with him is they didn't win in college. He wasn't really a winner. I mean, he was a gutsy fun player to watch, but they didn't win. In fact, I believe he started a game that they lost sixty

six to ten at Iowa State. So I don't I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, I don't put a ton of stock in Kellen Moore getting fifty wins at Boise State and how it translates to the NFL. But also at the same time, I don't like my star quarterback going five and six and missing a bowl game in a football you know, in college football where everybody who breathes can get into a bowl game. I mean, there's an especially for us. I'm just saying, I mean, we're

getting were I mean fun to watch. I like him, he's a you know, gunslinger type player, but I just Reese, I mean Dak Dak and Deshaun Watson. I mean that's the blueprint of what you want in terms of But I mean, like, what did Aaron Rodgers win at Cow? Like Cow was good while he was there, but it's not like he was racking up trophies. I mean, yeah, people said the same thing about Peyton when he was at Tennessee, like he was a good quarterback, a really

good quarterback. But they ultimately didn't really win anything of consequence, did they. No, they won, They won one SEC title while he was there, I think, but then they never were national championship they won, Okay, I'm not talking about the national champion, just saying get your team in a bowl game. It's still is Texas Tech though, right right, Like the talent around him is not gonna be well and the threat and the thing is is all those guys at Texas Tech, all of them have were not

not really pro quarterback. You didn't like Cliff Kingsbury, He wasn't a pro quarterback. I know, but well, I don't know. I think Mahomes is unique among the guys that have come out of there, and personally, okay, I do too. I think he'll be okay. But the way Alex Smith is playing and what they need on defense. I would have man, there's a scout in that department that's like I knew we should have gone defense drafted in the second round and not first. But oh well, all right,

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only one but two non brands for the Cowboys. Sorry, that's my bad. Okay, I'm I'm in the office. But but that's what happens. So you see those commercials where they talk about other brands. Yeah, right, so we're basically saying thanks Dave, Thanks Dave. No Haynes, no Food of the Loom. Sorry, sorry, Michael Jordan, Hey, we mentioned we mentioned um off air. We were talking about Derek Johnson's a linebacker for the Kansas cy Chiefs. Has been in the NFL probably, I don't know, maybe as long as

you've been alive, Dave. That's not true. He was drafted, drafted five. He's been around a long time. You actually were telling an interesting story there. Well, I remember you busted him my office on draft day. Not very happy that they selected some dude. Uh, instead of well, I mean, what has Troy State ever really done? I mean, are they going to produce any player that's good? So now we don't. We don't need this guy at eleventh overall,

DeMarcus Ware. Derek Johnson's a guy that I liked because back then I was trying to get it prepared for the who we might draft, and I had to go and search the internet and steal photos off the internet. Probably do it back then, Yeah, I could, And so I found three or four with him with the football, Like Derek Johnson. There is in the orange jersey with the ball. There he is scoring a touchdown in a white jersey. I'm like, Ah, this guy's got the ball.

That's who we need all the time, all the time. So I was like, what else, what else do we need? I mean, who do we have in the middle there? Scott Fajita, I mean who, I don't know. I don't even if that was Scott Shanley. Yeah, maybe you just named two Saints linebackers from that era that came from the Cowboys. Certainly came started with the Cowboys. Yeah, well, I don't know if Vegeta started with the Geta was

awesome for the Saints, so I won't hear it. Shanley was okay, Stanley was Shandley came through the Cowboys first and then ended up there. Yeah, Scott no Vegeta. I just like that name reminds me of GOK Did you just say no? Yeah, Dragon ball Z for the one, but it's spelled differently, but the sound Yeah whatever, for sure. I'm sorry, Brady James, I know you were on the team. Sometimes I lose my mind. Was he was there in two thousand and five? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, he was there.

What do you get drafted two thousand and four, fourth round pick two thousand and four or daddy? Derek Johnson was always just like he's like that quintessential badass linebacker that you wanted on your team, like, and he's it's been still doing It's been like thirteen years and he's still doing it. He's he's obviously dropped off a little

from what he was, but still a productive player. I would imagine, like I don't know for sure, but I would guess he's probably a Chiefs Ring of Honor guy when he finally retires, when you probably All of Famer like DeMarcus Ware. But what was that look for? I was just thinking we went to the Chiefs, and I mean everybody is in the Chiefs. Was that one of those stadiums, we really had like three rings, yes, yeah, yeah,

I didn't know. I like remember sometimes like we I remember, we make fun of like the Rams because like they're well when they were in Saint Louis, they had dudes from la and never and like the Air, the Cardinals have guys from the other Cardinals teams that never even played in Phoenix. But as I would assume does Tennessee, Yeah yeah, but like the Chiefs actually have like real deal history, So I mean, I would imagine that their ring of honors pretty prestigious. Elvis guys, I think. I

think it was a lot of guys. That was the issue was that had a ton of guys. It was like, man, that's a lot of guys to say they all deserve to be in and this is not this is not a franchise that has won a ton of championships, right, Don't you got a ton of guys in your ring of honor? That seemed to I just want to say, Snoop Menace, remember him, Snoop Menace? I do remember Snoop.

He's in the Ring of honor for them? He no say wow, Anthony for I don't know, might be Derek Derrick Thomas probably is, yeah, I would guess, and rightfully, so what about Christian Nakoye? I would actually love watching Christian You realizing we have throwback Thursday, Um, that's probably up right now. Last time the Chiefs played here, Last time the Chiefs played here, ground wasn't even moved over there at the stadium. There was no at and T Stadium.

Long Tony Romo had never thrown a pass in the NFL. Wait, when when was the last of all year? Was? The Chiefs are the only team that I've never played here at Aten They started breaking ground about oh six, We opened it in No. Nine. I guess I'm trying to figure out. Why wouldn't they have played in oh nine? There was a weird there was. Yeah, something happened in No. Nine. That will occasionally. No, no, no, something happened in thirteen or twelve. When when was the game that they would

have been? Yes and right, yeah, they should have played here in twenty thirteen thirteen, But but they they didn't. I don't know why. It's something switched with Oakland. There's sometimes you'll see like weird quirks. So the algorithm for the scheduling is you play each AFC division every four years, and it alternates, so like, you know, we play the

Chiefs here for every eight years. You should be at right, But every now and then you'll see a weird quirk where you go back to back and I don't know why. I think I remember it being something something with Oakland's stadium, something with their baseball stadium. I don't have to exactly what happened, but the Cowboys ended up having to play at home against Oakland. It is a long time and

that's why. That's the point of what you were saying earlier about when Kansas City Chiefs fans that live near this area, they haven't been able to see their team here in a long time. You know, when this came out on the schedule, I'm sure they will all in. And it's not it's not just that too. It's people that live in Kansas City that want to go to a game and this is an easy flight. It's a

rather cheap flight, and you know it's coming. And Kansas City and Dallas have like this weird relationship, Like that's something I've learned since I moved here. They're almost like, well, you know the history of that, right, Well, no, if you don't, you're gonna get to go to Five Points Blue. And they have a nice little story about there's a trophy. There is a trophy. Yeah, I know the history of like the franchises and the Hunt family and the Jones family.

But I just mean in general, like these two cities as a whole are like weirdly linked. Maybe it's like the railroads from back in the day or whatever, but like it seems like people from Kansas City move here for work or vice versa, or you know, it's just not a hard distance to travel. So that's kind of how I think Denver is too. Like I know a lot of people that their families have moved between Dallas

and Denver. There's like this I don't know, this weird kind of just relationship where yeah, if you're from here, there's a chance that maybe at some point you'll end up about Dallas not so much. Although real quick, can

I at least give a little shout out. I'm not a baseball fan, so I'm not gonna pretend to be one, but just from my hometown, it was nice to see them get a win last night in the World Series that I know the city's going to be very very happy for the rest of the week, probably the rest of the best World Series ever was know well, right up until that dud of a Game seven. I mean, I was rooting for the Dodgers, but like, I'm not like heartbroken about it, but like I just it was

boring game. Yeah, I just wish it had been for as many fireworks as were in a lot of the other games. It was just you were I know, I was expecting last night it was gonna be just like this crazy the Dodger ten base Runners. It was just not. I mean, it was a good defensive game on Houston's party, but just wasn't as wild or crazy as all the other ones. I was rooting for Dallas Cowboys dot Com always and forever, rooting for the alumni of the website.

And if I had we had a chance to maybe get a World Series, right mister Roland Kavner working for the the Dodgers. Dodgers, Yeah, was he gonna get a ring? I don't know, but it depends on how that works, but it would have been nice. Oh well, plus, you know Rangers, right, I'm Rangers. If you a Rangers fan

cannot root for Houston I'm I'm happy. Still don't really like how that all that went down with the Houston and the Rangers and the Rangers getting a bad deal out of that, which one, what are you talking about? The Yeah about the what they should have done for the hurricane and the Rangers got a real bad rap for I thought for no reason. But whatever, happy for them, good, it's good, happy, happy, happy for the city. Yeah, yeah, that was crazy. I believe it. Sports Hills traded three

years ago? Has I mean, what's been a slow news week? They just the twenty seventeen the World Series champions Houston Astros, and didn't they predict the MVP as well? I thought I saw somebody to treat that. I don't know about that. Maybe he was on the cover. I don't know if they predicted him to, but he was, but still putting him on the cover, Like that's that's a pretty big

it's a pretty big Paul years ago? Right again, do it again if they're still a magazine in twenty keep it going, right and keep it going all right, let's get let's try to get a couple questions if we can, and we're give me something from Twitter. Can they can the Cowboys actually hand the ball to Switzer on the jet sweep this week. Ryan Switzer is He's interesting because we don't know for sure if Cole Beasley's even gonna play, so he might he might have a bigger role this

week out of necessity. I mean, that's something to watch. As the week goes on, we'll see if Bees gets into practice. I would like to see them continue to improve his role in the offense. I don't know if they actually will, but something to watch, especially if Beasley can't play. I'm telling you the best guy to run that is McFadden. He is the best guy to run that play. I don't know about up the middle or whatever,

but my guy Bryce, I don't think so. He's the long strider, takes too long get up to speed, pick him up and put him down quicker than that. Yeah, I'd like Dez doing it because I think des can truck some people over there, you know, if he gets in that mode where he's mad. Of course, if he was going to do it yesterday, he might have been able to He might have been able to have a big game if he was running the ball yesterday. He

seemed a little upset in the locker room. That was Tuesday, but whatever, yeah, you know, probably was set yesterday too. I actually think I actually am hoping at least that they will do a lot of different things in the running game, not just that that jet sweep, but I'm hoping they do a little bit more of the zone read,

use the quarterback, running the ball. I think they got to be they gotta be really diverse in what they do, because I don't think you have the kind of running back, like I said yesterday, when you have a Zko back there anything else that you do, you would think it's not going to necessarily be better than running Zeke. So it kind of makes you say, well, just give the

ball to Zeke. But in this instance, I think if you the more diverse your running game is, the more you can create these misdirection type opportunities and do things that that kind of catch the defense. I think that gives even your running backs a little more opportunity to do, to do a little more when they have opportunities. So I'd like to see more than even just the jet sweep. I'd like to see them a lot seem to do

a lot of different things. Maybe jet see with a couple of different guys, just again give you some diversity in your running game in order for the Cowboys to win this game. Why would you say it's more important third down conversions on offense or third down stops on defense. Hmm, it's kind of I mean, they're both important. Third down conversions because I just keep keep, just keep the Chiefs off the field. Don't put it in your defense's hands

to have to make stops. Just hold the ball down stops because you can score on first and second down. If you're stopping them on third down, though you're probably getting off the field, that doesn't necessarily mean on the on the flip side that you can go score. So I guess that's why I hear your argument. That argument makes me say third down conversions because I feel like you're probably not going to stop this offense a whole

lot anyway. But if you're able to keep converting third downs yourself, that keeps you on the field, That gives you an opportunity to keep the ball and keep their offense off the field, limit their opportunities and if they get if they end up with seven opportunities in the game, eight opportunities in the game, as opposed to ten or eleven. That's probably a good thing for the Cowboys, right, It's

that whole you know. It's why, it's why one of my least favorite phrases in football is that playing to win playing not to lose. It's the same thing. Really, I mean, it is the same thing. We can do it. We've done that before, Like we can do an hour on that if we wanted to. I hate that. I disagree with you as vehemently as possible, but I mean, tune in tomorrow. Okay. It's the same thing, it really is. The result is the same. You win or you lose. So if you're playing not to lose, then you were

playing to win. All Right, We appreciate you guys us. We're back tomorrow. We're gonna wrap this thing up. This guy the game Cowboys Versus Sunday till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagelton. This has been the Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.