Cowboys Break: Where Each Pick Fits

We already know all the picks and we're gonna break it down one by one and go over who these guys are and how do they affect the guys are already here, how do they play into the whole action? But before we get into it, how are you guys doing? I'm doing well and delightful good. It sounded like you were kind of just annoyed with the whole process of like not not annoyed, but like, hey, well, who's it gonna be? Who's gonna be? Now, it's like we're done, we know, we know. I thought it was going to

be a quiet draft. But then on the third day the cot was ka kept trading back and they ended up with a total of eight picks. So it's funny how you say the guessing is over. The guessing of who is over, and now it's now there's even more question marks about like you know, Cam, but I know at least we know the guys names. We got a group of guys. If you don't, like you don't deal well with uncertainty, do you not for a long period of time if we're doing it for like a week

two week? Nightmare? Basically it's just especially at the at fifty eight, that was a nightmare. I love it. I love the whole pre draft process, like you know, figuring out who they like, figuring out who's out there guessing, you know, it's fun to speculate. But anyway, for everyone dot com, you know you you had, like you guys talked about three hundred, four hundred players in this whole process and then to come out with eight of them. Yeah, and had you heard of all eight? Um? Heard of?

Heard of? No? No? Yeah, no, not all? I mean no, because I'm not I'm not Brian and I'm definitely not Dane. Dane missed. Dane did not have a scouting report on one player and he was a long snapper. Oh one player than Cowboys one point player in the entire draft. Was he mad? He was pissed, and he said he was like he was like I included the six best rated long snappers in my draft guide and this guy was not one of them. So like somebody reached on a long snapper and Dane was pissed that he didn't

do the homework. It's like, it's gonna be fine, man. You got two hundred and fifty three and the two hundred and fifty four. Um, yeah, they took They took a few guys that were kind of off my radar, but well, let's get it started, okay. Second round, they ended up going at fifty eight with defensive tackle Tristan Hill. Surprise here, obviously we were already talking about the position.

This was a guy that was mentioned. I came in a Thursday and I looked over and Brian is sitting there looking at tape and like he has the last three weeks or three months, three weeks, three months, and he's got guys over his shoulder and they're just watching Tristan Hill, and it was almost like, you know this was gonna you know, this is definitely gonna happen in fact, the University of Central Florida called someone on our staff and said, hey, if you draft this guy tonight, just

just know that it's UCF. We don't go by Central Florida. We want to go by UCF or University of Central Florida. And I'm thinking, okay, that's that's fun. But are you gonna call every team in the league or yeah, well then then sure enough here he ends up. So to say a surprise. Now, if you pay attention, this team is not afraid to tell you who they want to take, if you read between the lines and pay attention to

what gets out. I think like a week before the draft, we were like, you know, nothing is for certain because there's fifty seven teams in front of him, but they are enamored with this kid. They value three to nique about you know, three technique and right defensive end. Those are the positions that Rod Marinelli's obsessed with. You know, I know, you know, there's to be perfectly blunt, there's

a little bit of a backlash about the pick. I think there were there were probably guys with higher pure grades on the board. I don't know that for sure, but there probably were. Um but they value the hell out of that position. They need it. MALIEK. Collins is

in a contract year. You know, basically all of their defensive tackles are in a contract year, and they think that this can be you know them, they haven't had a pure, you know, sack getting three technique since Jason Hatcher's contract year in twenty thirteen, and they think this guy can be that, and they thought it was worth the pick. A lot of people disagree with them. There's no way to know for sure, but they kind of they clearly they circled this dude's name with a red

sharpie months ago. Yeah. They you know that they haven't addressed the safety position at a high pick, first or second round in a long time. And it's because they don't want to. I mean, they clearly just don't value that position at that at that price. It reminds me a lot of nose tackle too. Yeah, like they you know, they're never going to draft a nose tackle up here.

Nose tackle in the first round? Was it Jerry Jones who said mentioned, okay, if you have a great line, but I mean pressuring the quarterbacking and getting to it that really helps the safety position. And it all It's

a domino effect from from what it sounds like. And I'm sure this has been told on you know, Yesterday show and some of the other shows, but I mean, it sounded like they got in the room and one Thornhill from Virginia was the guy that they were wanting to take, and you know, they went around and I think they just felt better at safety, better with the guys that are there, with Heath and Woods. Um, then maybe they did in the long term um, you know,

long term process of the defensive tackle position. They just felt better at what they had. It's another, you know, another reason I love the draft so much. It creates these subplots every year. We know who they liked and who they might have taken this year. So all eyes will be on Juan Thornhill in Kansas City to see how he does. If he becomes an All Pro. That's gonna be interesting. You know. Famously, they picked Taco Charlton over t J. Watton. Looks like a pretty bad pick.

Right now. They picked Zach Martin over Johnny Manziel and that was a great idea. Zeke and Jalen Ramsey, every single pick could have been another guy. So for the next four years everyone. I mean, we'll have a close eye on wan Thornhill to see if they were right

about Guy Ridley. Probably l Ridley or DJ Moore. That's a good question because I think they were so hell bent on Layton vander esh which speaking of safety, you know, I say that all the time is well, they could have traded up for Derwin James, Like it's pretty obvious that if Derwin James had been there at nineteen, they still would have taken Layton. Yeah, that's how much they thought about him. So, I mean, they both look like they're gonna be really good players. But I can't I

can't knock. I can't knock the pick based on how great Layton was. And you said, I'm probably Ridley or DJ Moore if I had to guess. I think all the way back to Zach Martin in twenty fourteen, it's the last time I kind of think that we were a little surprised. Maybe or he came out of I don't know about out of nowhere, but there were so many defensive guys they wanted that it's like, well, I'm not sure who they're going to take, and they took Zach Martin and it was a somewhat of a surprise.

But the next few years Byron Jones in fifteen Zeke and sixteen Taco, well, Tac Taco was a surprise. Was a surprise. I don't remember who was there. We knew thought of it might be that big talk foreigner. Oh, Kevin King, y, Yeah, we knew they were not high on t J. Watt. Kevin King was a consideration. I was surprised by the Taco pick. Yeah, that's true. I was gonna say that we hadn't been surprised. So we

pretty much have the thing. If not to pat us on the back, but if you listen, I mean, if you're dialed into us in the weeks leading up to the draft, we might not one hundred percent nail it, but we're gonna give you the name eventually. I mean, one of the names we have circled will be the guy they pick every year. So this guy, and just by what I've seen briefly of him, he just seems like he's just a pain in the ass for the center.

He just he just lines up over him in a in a you know, just all right off the ball and center guard. He just he's a problem. And you know, he's one of those high motor guys that really needs to be in an eight man rotation where he can just come in and be a part of it, which is what he'll have here. If you watch him on tape, he's always busting his butt to kill the quarterback like that.

That's definitely true. And he you know, Dane Brugler, he's got a great line, Like there's only so many human beings on earth who are that size, who can move that quickly. He's six two and a half three hundred and eight pounds and can get off the snap. So I get why Rod Marinelli's enamored with him. I totally get it. Um you know, I might have drafted a safety in that spot, but they don't care about my opinion,

so I would have taken to safety too. But you know, this draft more than any shows us that, and I know we're gonna get into the next picks too, But it's just it's, yes, it's about right now. But I think they did some projecting here in the future of like what this team is going to look like in a year, and really glad that we did this and this and this because of that, Well, I thought that.

Rob Phillips wrote a pretty interesting article on Dallas Cowboys dot Com which where he mentions how this team has been picking for several years, how they reconstructed their offensive line and how that came out to be pretty solid during the end times of Romo and then transitioning to Dak Prescott. Now their focus seemed to be unleas in the first three rounds to be on the d line,

and Rob mary Nelly and what he's doing. So he goes to show what they're doing here, obviously drafting a guy in the second round defensive tackle, which we just mentioned, and then you got on the fifth round defensive end Joe Jackson, and then you go on to the last round defensive end Jalen Jump. Leave that. Leave that orphan talk at the door. In twenty nineteen, I don't want to hear it anymore. Yeah, no more. Got that one

hundred and whatever million, DeMarcus Lawrence. You got second round pick Tristan Hill, third round pick Maleiue Collins, first round pick, Taco Charlton, third round pick. Crowded group, pretty Randy Gregory if he's there, Pretty pretty crowded room full of guys that they spent resources to get, so don't come at

me with that stickery. It reminds me a lot of what Carolina did a few years ago when they just kept picking Yeah, second and third and first round guys, just just loading up the defensive line and before you know it, they have a really good team. I didn't last for that long and they and they didn't. It never does, you know, unless you're in Foxboro, Massachusetts. It just never lasts that. But it seems like this is the year for it. I mean, you got so many

guys within the group to compete. A really good a really good player is going to get cut from this defensive line and that's in September. Like, there's just not enough. Yeah, there's not enough space. Even if they keep ten, you're probably I mean, you know, you drafted three defensive linemen this year. You have Dorian's Armstrong, who's still coming on from last year. Like like, I I mean, are you surprised by how much resource they've put into this whole

position group? Not really, because since they cut to Marcus Ware, their lack of pass rush has killed them on a number of occasions. Rod Marinelli clearly has a ton of influence in this organization and he's a past rush guru, so no, it doesn't surprise. And you know, if you think about the end of this season, I mean, the whole David Irvy thing was was weird, but but there

was always a spot for him. And if if Irving ever showed up to practice and was there for a couple of weeks in a row and then they he's ready to play, that there would have been a spot. I don't know, he probably just takes because remember Karen Reid was playing, Daniel Ross was active, so there's a spot for Tristan Hill. You know, David Irving's gone Tristan

Hill with his spot. But I think when you look at the whole like eight man rotation, let's just say that Gregory is active for week one, which is gonna be that's quite a story. Well, then with him back into the mix and all this story, Garry Jones has said that he's confident that he that he can be. Don't know how or what or how that's gonna work. But let's say he is defensive end. You're you're a

rotation for that first game against the Giants. You've got what DeMarcus and Quinn DeMarcus and Quinn and then Gregory would probably be your number two right end. And then dude, just depends on what Taco and figure out I would say Taco at left end. But figure out what you want to do with Tyrone. Is he in it? I mean I assume he's going to play in It's just you know, people talk about kicking him inside to tackle like that's not a six month project to bulk yourself

up like that. You know, So he plays in, then I mean you just put doorn Armstrong is not not available. I didn't kick him off the team, just not kicked him off the team, just not in that group the to tackle the two ends they just drafted. You know, we'll see what happens with them. But then on the inside, you've got no particular order. But you've got Hill, You've got Malite, Collins, You've got Woods, Antoine and um see that's where that's where I think I think the Tyrone

needs the better start feeding him twinking right now. Yeah, he looks like an end. I was trying to go over the sponsor. I could come. He's at the facility all the time. He doesn't look he looks like an end. So he needs they need to. Yeah, it sucks for important guy. He's always having to go back and forth. I know that's tough. All right, Well you said you're not surprised, Okay, yeah. Do you like it? Do you

like that they use all these resources on this whole group? Well, like I said, I mean, you know, there's plenty of people who think that they reached and you know this was you know, they got over excited about this player and went up for it. Like basically, it's it's a need, it's something they needed to do. It's a position they needed to do something about. They don't have any defensive tackles under contract, and I just keep going back to

Will mcclay's track record is worth trusting for me. You know, Yeah, you know, Taco looks like a bad pick, but basically every meaningful pick they've made since twenty fourteen when he started running the draft board has been pretty good. Zach Martin, DeMarcus Lawrence, Byron Jones, even even mid rounders like Anthony Hitchins, Damian Wilson, Jeff Swaim, Zeke Elliott, Dak Prescott, MALIEK. Collins.

Like the track record is there, Anthony Brown, Anthony Brown, Xavier Woods, you know, and it sucks that he, you know, every everything about Randy Gregory turned out to be true, Like he's talented enough to justify that pick, and he's troubled enough that maybe they shouldn't have done it. So but by and large, the track record is there that I'm not going to kill them for thinking this guy's special, Like I mean, until we have a chance to see

him play. Why. I know, tomorrow on the Draft show at eleven and Will McClay is supposed to them in and talk with them, and not only are they going to talk about this year's draft, but the twenty sixteen draft, Because if you're talking about really evaluating what a draft is, like, we can't evaluate this draft yet until they get on the field takes about three years. Twenty sixteen. It's a it's a good draft to evaluate because it's like one

of the best drafts in modern history. Yeah, I mean, not only did you get a franchise quarterback and running back out of it, but I think everybody but Tapper is on the team right now. Yep, that's amazing. It's unprecedented. Like half, i mean, probably two, if not more of the guys they just drafted on Saturday, you know, won't be here by September, and all their guys, you know, Darius Shackson did leave, went away for a while. When he came back, Rico and Cavan and missing somebody in

the middle there, probably Mary Brown. Yeah, yeah, well, speaking of Rico, I mean, we'll keep going down the line. But surprised that the tight end position wasn't addressed. I mean that was one position that there was a good amount of people talking about it and that the complice should drafted tight end. I think I think if you get one early, like in the second round, if somebody falls to you and you take one there, that makes

sense at anything after that. I just don't feel like they're going to be that much better than Schultz and Blake, Darwin and Rico. I just feel like they've been here enough time where it's gonna be hard for anybody else to jump in and take that spot unless you have just an ultra talented guy that was like, well, he's going to be better than all of them. The difference between like I'm sorry, I'm gonna throw shade, I don't care.

The difference between following like national coverage of this team and following US is as soon as Jason Witten came back in February, you just removed tight end from the draft board, like unless something crazy happened, like Noah Fan fell to fifty eight, which was never gonna happen. He went twentieth. Overall, they weren't going to do that. They're like, you know this band aid here, Witten's not coming off the field that much. And even if he does, you

got these two promising young guys and Rico's still there. Maybe, like they just I don't think they were going to do that. Yeah, like a guy that you draft that late, like where where are the snaps coming from? Where? Like when is he going to be on the field? And so I just laugh, like in April when national outlets are like who they need to tight ends? Like, no, they stopped talking about that three months ago. They didn't draft the tight end. And then looking at the free

rookie free agents, they didn't bring one in, did they not? Where? Nope? They did not. This it's you know, that's a little surprised, and I thought they might do that, you know, just just Sternburger. Did they bring him Sternberger? I have the list right now. I'm talking rookie in the rookie free agents that they signed. No, no, but Fremberger was the second round pick when yeah, I thought they brought him in thirty visits. Oh yeah, oh oh no, we were talking. Sorry,

we were talking about after the draft. You're good. The rookie free agents that they signed. They usually will get a couple of those, um just just for depth purposes. But that's I mean, they did sign a guy and they it goes off, it goes contrary to everything. You know, you're like draft for three years from now, not for today. But like again, witness ye he's gonna play a lot, and then you got two guys you got to figure out. Let's just assume and then you're getting rid of one

of them. Right, Well, I would be kind of surprised if Frico's still here in September, but I think we said that a year ago and two years ago too, so this is probably it for him. But but what if the light bulb comes on. Let's just assume Witton retires after the twenty nineteen season, then you still have then you you know, make the press Conference's good. Hopefully we won't plan our biggest staff outing of the year. For that weekend this time, Um, let's just assume he retires.

Then you've got a three year player in Jarwin and Schultz, So you've got two guys who can conceivably handle the job at least adequately. And then you have a chance to draft a guy high who can come in and get snaps immediately rather than a guy who's just going to waste away and maybe maybe even be like a game day inactive, Like, Yeah, you're supposed to make these decisions with the future in mind, but I just don't think it made sense for nineteen with Whitten being here. Yeah,

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Back to the break, Welcome back now. Like I mentioned before, we're going to discuss third round pick guard Connor McGovern my favorite pick your favorite one wide now because kind of what we just were saying about tight end, you know, they didn't need one, they didn't need one, but they would have taken one if he was just so good that he was right there for him. And that's what I loved about that pick is I think that was

the most discipline thing that they that they've done. It's like they didn't because it sounds like they had a higher grade than they did for Tristan Hill. So they took Tristan Hill because it was a high pick and a need. They're not gonna mess with guard right here in the second round just doesn't make sense. But man, if he's still here in the third round, go for it. No,

we can figure something out here. And maybe this is one of those twenty twenty picks, but I thought it was an outstanding pick to get him and then and then to show best player available really does matter. Maybe not in your first pick, but it matters. I think it wouldn't matter with your first pick. It just depends. Like that's it was fascinating their first two picks, where like this blend between the two is like, well, it's really best player available with a need, but it gets

to a point. It always gets to a point where you're like, well, I mean, what are we supposed to do? This guy is graded twice as high as anybody left on our board. Yeah, which so yeah, I mean they maybe they reached a little bit in with their first pick and then they really went true BPA right after that. So so then what happens now? How does this guy play into the whole old line? What happens here and

moving around? There's so many scenarios that you could see play out here that we won't know until they start playing football. I mean, the one guy in this whole group that I think will definitely one hundred thousand percent be on the team next year or playing in his position as Zach Martin, yes, and everything else is a little bit out there. Question now, I think you tried to retire him last year or two years ago, but no, I mean, the thing is is that we'll see what

he does this year. But his contract is so good and so team friendly that there's there's no reason to really do anything with him. He's not at that point where you're like, well, maybe we should move on. I don't think so. He was awesome last year for the most part. I mean, you know, he battled injuries again and he got called for whole yeah, a few, way more often than you're used to. But you go back and watch those reps and you're like, I don't really

see what he's doing wrong. Um No, I think I think Tyrn and Zacher here, there's but there's so many there's so many variable you know, we feel really good about Travis Frederick's availability, but you'd like to see him play football first, right, Well, McGovern played center at Penn State. He can do that. He could be your left guard based on the way people are just praising the hell out of him, Like I'm almost tempted to think maybe

he could compete with Connor Williams. Right now, having said that, Connor Williams looked like, I mean, he got in the gym this offseason big time. So but then, well, they talked about moving him to which that raises the question of, you know, Lyle Collins more than likely isn't here next year. It's I mean, he's just if he's remotely good this season, he's going to get paid far too much to stay.

So you could move Connor Williams. Do you move Connor We talked about this this morning in the office, kind of shooting the breeze, like do you just move him now so he gets acclimated and he could be your swing tackle, or do you want you know, the proverbial best five that they love the spout and keep him there this year and McGovern, you know, McGovern's presence could be trouble for Joe Looney because they do they have

the same skill set. They play all three interior spots, which nothing summarizes the nature of the NFL more than and you did a great job, Joe, thank you for saving our season and starting sixteen games. But now we

just drafted this kid that might take your job. And all that being said, if if, if, if it's all fair and everyone's just you know, competing at the same level, who's to say that that with a full off season and Xavier Suafilo can't go in another one be better than Connor McGovern, O'Connor Williams, you know at the guard spot.

So if it's anything similar to last year with injuries, you know, everyone had something pop up during the season, like yes, they they beat that down during the post draft press conferences, like we learned last year like as good as you might think a group can be, just keep adding talent to it because you never know what's going to happen. And that's true, I believe that. But like you just said about Connor Williams, he's you know, obviously been in the gym this year to play guard.

He probably starting to look like a guard now that he was going to be moving out to tackle. Then maybe it's a different His shoulders are awfully broad, like he just I don't know which I'm not an expert on that, but he looks like a guard right now. That's what I think. But you know, Jeff Kavanaugh was with us on Saturday. He was like, why can't why can't lie all be your left guard in twenty nineteen and move Connor Williams to write tackle now? Yeah, yeah,

I don't know. I don't see that happen. You know, maybe McGovern is is your center of the future. Maybe that's it too. Maybe maybe it's like, let's see how this goes with Travis, but we just we never know, and maybe he's he's gonna be what it like, We never know. So what if the answer to your question is that Travis goes back to making Pro Bowls. Okay, well then, now, yeah, which position was his main position? Question? I think it was guard guard, but he played center

pretty extensively too. I mean I know that I just talked out of both sides of my mouth, but he did both. So I had lunched with a scalt the other day, was just talking and he said, this doesn't leave the table, but I'm gonna say it, don't take it from the table. He just loved the pick. He just said that was my favorite pick too. He was like, he's just he's so smart. That's why that's your favor. No, no, I said at that night, why, like, that's not even juicy.

Oh you drafted a guy at ninety that you could that you graded at thirty five and you love the pick. Oh man, Oh, don't tell anybody that that's just close top secret information. That being said, you know exactly who I was talking with. I probably if somebody don't leave the table here, you know, Yes, UM wasn't anything crazy, But but I know I like that pick then, because I do like the best available. I like the saying you know what we're gonna we're gonna do that first

second pick. I like best available. Need after that go with its available player. Anytime you get an insane value, it's fun. Yeah. I think McGovern's probably the favorite of a lot of people on that side of the building because he could have been a you know, people saying top fifty, top sixty pick, and you got him at ninety. See what I love the most about it is not taking him at ninety. It's not taking him at fifty eight.

So it's talk about being hypocritical here. It's like, he's the highest rated player you have, because I think that best available players sometimes can be bs. I really do. It's like, yeah, if you had a quarterback rated, how you're not taking him? So we know it's not always best available. You do need to go with needs. So they showed that in the second round, but then they

wiped it off the table in the third round. They said, all right now, now that's what I liked about it is is that it kind of shows that it's not always best available player, but it can be when the time is right. It's kind of like Gregory and back in twenty fifteen, I'm not taking this guy with all the problems at twenty eight, no way. What he's there at sixty, get him on the phone. It called Charles Haley and can get him on the phone and let's

make this happens. That would have been a terrible twenty eight right twenty seven seven, But yeah, oh yeah, yeah for sure. But then get Byron and he's been solid and so he's been good and he hasn't been solid. It's very hard to predict what Connor McGovern's presence here means right now, but I think their offensive line will be better for it. Now, here's another pick that the Cowboys seem very excited about, and Stephen Jones went as far as saying he has a little bit of Alvin

Kamara in him. Running back to the expectations on the guy running back, Tony Polart Pollard. It has an accent. It comes out of my mouth, so it's it's fair kind of like Scottie Pip. Yeah, fourth round. Thoughts about this guy and what he can bring. Obviously, we talked about the running back position and uh Zekiel Eliott needing a backup guy that can come in and help him

lift up, get some weight off his shoulder. This is this is the part of the year where you really have to guard against, which you know, Chris Hall came on. He Chris Hall, assistant director of College Scouting. He was on hanging with the boys yesterday, and uh, you know it's a various stew point. He's like, obviously we love all these guys. We just drafted him all like, so

you got to guard against that. But if Tony Pollard could be half of what they're saying he could be, then you should be excited as hell, because you know, Stephen Jones likned him to Kamara. He's you know, he's a he's a four three seven athlete. He can I mean I saw the play you just diagrammed, Brian, thanks for joining us. Dudes got out dressed in everybody Seriously, I don't know about that. Dudes got burst for days. Yeah. Uh, you know. He motions around in the Memphis offense. He

plays in the slot. They move him all around. They all that exciting stuff that NFL offenses are doing. Now he can do it. Now do you buy that the Cowboys can make it work? See that's where that's where And I just I kind of put it. I just shot something for the Blitz and that I said that, And you're absolutely right about this. Don't tell me how great this guy is. I could see it with my own eyes. You know, don't keep telling me when we

get to Oxen Hole, we're gonna do things. We're gonna do things, And then all of a sudden we come out of Oxnard and it's like, do you feel any better about Tony Pollard here? And all of a sudden he's a week two inactive, a week three inactive, a week six inactive. Then then now it's gonna be like, Okay, we don't need to hear it. We need to see

if this is on Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore needs to come up with a clear plan of either hand him to football or like the play I just broke down, throw it to him the flat and just let him explode past people. The way that I don't think he's going to be inactive is because it sounds like he'll do so many things on special teams to first of all, first of all, yeah, you were there, but to the

point you guys are making, yeah you can. Jamay'z ali wality was also there, and we don't see him on offense either, so you can get lost on special teams. Are you gonna be worth of forty because you don't

need a fourth round pick to do that. Stephen Jones like it was amazing, Like I would like, you know, you know, you have those moments where you're recording an interview and he's like, You're like, he knows, he knows he's on the record, right, Like which he I mean, he's basically he's like, look, no disrespect to Mike Webber, but like Mike Webber is the type of when he's the seventh round pick, so he's like, no disrespect to him, but he's basically Zeke a couple of clicks down, so

he's he's just you your basic running back with a lesser skill set. Obviously he's a seventh round pick. And he's like, you know, Pollard can do this, this and this. He can return kicks, he can return ponts, he can catch, he can do all this. So like Zeke and Pollard are your two backs. And then we think jama'ze Olawalley can can run if we need him too, So like those are your three, and you know, if Zeke gets hurt, then maybe Mike Webber can come in and help carry

the load. But like until then, we'll just keep him off to the side. I was like, thanks, for thanks for giving us the September strategy. In April, Steven just cringes with, here's any kind of comparison. Yeah, did you guys get the feeling that they really really liked Mike Webber? Did that mean that the grade wise where he sat on their board and all that, and maybe it was maybe it was one of those things where it was

just too valuable there. We always talked on the Draft show about traits and about how can you pass up guys. It's the same way with McGovern. You know, you look at McGovern and you say, oh, can I have his second round grade on this guy? And hell, let's make it work, you know, whatever we have to do, let's make it work here. Maybe Brian knows that answer better than we were talking about McGovern. Where did he play

more a guard? Center guard? Again, he's one of those guys that the numbers of starts at each position is fine. I mean that that's where they got a really you know, we talked about Connor Williams lack in power last year. If this guy's got power and so there's no if he has to sit and wait, it's just gonna be about learning and learning pro techniques. And stuff like that. You know, Liken Connor Williams had to throw him into the fire. This guy don't think they have to throw

into the fire yet. It's going to get to learn from Zach Martin and those guys. Yeah, he'll be fine. Travis Frederick being back, that'll help all those guys for sure, these guys being Sorry, woman, go ahead, I was gonna say that, with these guys being drafted, are you still expecting them to even use Jordan Lewis as part of the offense and adding him at all? Due respect, guy, I love Jordan. You always say at lunch about Jordan Lewis.

You have a really good line about Jordan Lewis. You put me on the spike the year the year he is. I think he's a damn good He's a damn good football player who got drafted a year before they changed their scheme, Like he just got screwed over by the circumstances. Yeah, they hired a coach who doesn't think his skill set fits with what they want to do a year after they drift. Even though those eight plays against New Orleans were glorious, he was awesome. Yeah, I think he's a

hell of a player. I mean, I'm not you know, he's not. He might not be Patrick Peterson, but he's an eight plays. It's like eight plays and the last one, the last one was the big the big plays. You think aout the pick. Yeah, no, but I think that What I was gonna say is it's interesting, like we get we get a little bit of the picture. You know, it's kind of like it's like a blurry picture and then it comes into focus. After the draft, we were

just hammering that they want to complete back. They want to complete back to fill Zeke's role if he goes out, Well, they got that guy, but they're also saying, we need somebody who can compliment him. And I had a conversation with somebody a week before the draft, and I felt stupid for not thinking about it. He's like, well, if a guy we draft is just Zeke Light, then what purpose is he really serving? Unless Zeke gets hurt, like you know, a Travion Williams for instance. I got you know,

I loved him. I mocked him here at ninety A lot of Cowboys fans wanted him six. Yeah, he's a he's not playing special teams for you, He's not. He's not playing flyer on punt team, He's not returning kicks like that's not his skill set. He's supposed to be a starting running back. So I think they wanted to compliment just as much as they wanted a replacement, and they wound up getting both. Which right now, I don't have confidence that they'll use Tony Pollard the way they

say they will because I need to see it. I wrote ten stories about all the ways they could use Tavon Austin last year and it didn't materialize. But if they can find a way to use him, it could be really exciting. Amber. Can I ask a question of

the group, and you please answer this as well? Going into the draft, which group do you feel now better about the defensive tackle group or not me going to the draft, but going into free agency and now the draft, which group do you feel better about the upgrades of the backups? Defensive tackle or running back? Because both those

were positions. Both those positions were like defensive tackle because I trust Rod Marinell to get ross and read and not only I just I trust Rod Marinelli to get the most out of those guys more than I trust the offensive staff to use Tony Pollard like, show me, show me something. I think so defensive tackle, just because if if I have to have an injury there in the middle, I lie some of the backups that can the options you have there, I don't like the options.

If Zeke goes down, I don't like him yet. I mean, and I mean, hey, Mike, Mike Webber might be a steal he I mean, he's coming from a badass program. But I mean, bo Scarborough was exciting when they drafted him in the same range last year. Last long the biggest Darius Jackson fan in the world. He's got six, He's got six NFL career carry box years. Kidgo, where did holy Field go? Did he not get that? That was my pet cat? Can I say he wound up

with a with Carolina? Good for him. You run a five second forty at running back at a lot of people, I'm just gonna they at least have a backup. You're going on up, Darius Jackson was drafting, I'm tired running back, Mike Webber, Right, that's I just I want to keep it in perspective. But easier to throw in one of those backup running backs and have it work, right, Dave guys, right, you would hope. So is that just spent another top one hundred pick on an offensive lineman, I would hope.

I mean, yeah, when you look at DeMarco Murray set records here and then he left, and then McFadden came in and had one of his better years, and then he left, and then and then Zeke's led the league two out of the three years that he's been. You think if Zeke if which knock on, all of the would but if Zeke went down for a significant period of time, you think they would roll with what they have here. I think they would, you think, so, I

don't think i'd buy that. Well, I think they would because they have They obviously have enough faith draft faith in the two guys they selected. I mean, if I explaining from what I know where those guys sat on their board, they have faith that those guys can come in and plug and play if they had to. I really believe them. I don't know if I was supposed to say this, must say it anyways, I'm really glad they draft the two backs because if they didn't, I

think Alfred Morris was coming back. And I don't really want that. I mean, Jerry said it. He was like no, but he just said, you know, we'll get a free agent running back and there's only so many available still. Yeah, So the thing about it is, Dave, you guy, you went back and said this even during the draft show, that the prospects of the free agent running back was not great. No, it's not, so why not go ahead and said, you know what, I'm just saying, Darius Jackson

was drafted higher than Mike Webber was. Both Scarborough came from Alabama. He came from a big program too, Like he's okay, Now, hold on, you guys are just confusing me. Why because all this talk about it's so easy to find the running back and there's they're out there in the draft and it's easy to bring them in. That's an easy position to replace. So what's up now? All I'm telling you is that the narrative changes from April to September. It does every single year. I don't I mean,

we got to see this. Maybe Mike Webber might blow us all away. I don't know the argument here, Well, I don't really know the argument. I don't know. No, No, we're good. I think the thing at the point is, though something were to happen, to Zeke. I think they would be okay, I think they would now we would question every single step. You already questioned the fact that they're not going to use uh Tony Pollard, right, I just want to see it to believe it. I tell

because history tells you they're not. I've done the blind trusting thing. I'm done with that. Like I feel like an idiot when myself about Dan's worried this year he's gonna fall for something, to training camp, all we all fall. I'm tired of it. Tired training camp. Oh my god, I can't remember his name right now. Wide receiver Tavon Austin, Yeah,

I can't. I mean all this great time back, all this talk about him and how they can use him so many ways, and you never really know if people take it out on us when we spend all spring hyping guys up and it doesn't pan out. I'm done with that. You know what's really happening is is that nobody really thinks right now that they have a new offensive coordinator because they don't ye now because if you did, which there's less trust and killing more than they are

on these backs. I was gonna I was gonna bring that. Well, I'm just saying, because there's a new coordinator, we don't know how he's gonna do things. But it's like everyone still feels like he's not a new coordinator. I just this is totally unfair. I don't care. I think I trustless. I think I trust Kellen Moore more than I trust Jason Garrett's willingness to let him loose, you know what I mean? If that makes sense, like it's felt nobody went with you there? Yeah, no, no, no there. I

don't care. No, I don't trust Jason Garrett to let a first year offensive coordinator get crazy. Not really. I mean, and he better be better, figure out something or he's gonna be But he can't. He can't just say just like you got it, he's gonna be like, all right, let's see how you got it. If not all right, let me see show up that defense. You You feel better now about Kellen Moore or Scotland a hand last year at this time? Uh? Probably more? Is it just

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you'll travel like a pro. Visit Cowboys Travel dot com to book your travel package to day back to the break. All right, we have two guys left, and hopefully we get to the undrafted free agents and hit that a little bit. So let's move on to fifth round pick, cornerback Michael Jackson. More than two, don't we left? Well, we covered whatever I came in late, so you guys are hitting all the picks. So we have the we have the secondary Mike Jackson calling him Mike. Okay, I'm

gonna call him Mike. I just yeah, that's if that's his name. That I just really was so uncomfortable when we're like, we've got the secret audio of Michael Jackson, I'm like, I don't like this. Yeah, like it doesn't. I don't like it either. He can be changing people's name either, I know, but I think he says he goes by Mike. I think he goes by Mike. All right, anyway, you just want to be starting something right now, don't you. Sorry,

fair boy. I don't even know if we all got it in the room, but that was one of the better ones. Good job, thank you. It was. This is another. This is another, This is it's interesting and again, you know, we talked about it on the Draft show. Like so many of these decisions, so many of these decisions look like they're geared toward twenty twenty because you don't need this guy right now, which you might. Steven Jones kind

of slipped that in there on Saturday Night. He's like, well, we think Byron will be ready for the season, but if he's not, he's like whoa, hey, which was because usually they're pretty confident or like, you know they'll be they'll I've pretty confident I'll be ready. Byron's on crutches

right now, so walked by the lunch him yesterday's crutches. Yeah. Um. But at the same time, like it's hard to imagine they are gonna want to get rid of him because he's this Chris He's this Chris Rashard archetype again, Like he's everything Jordan Lewis isn't. He's like three inches taller than Jordan Lewis. He's long and rangy and Chris Rochard.

I just have to imagine he's like, just give me a guy that I can sort of build, you know, build the future of this secondary around, or try to be traded in that Saturday that's I don't I don't disagree with Saturday's sixth round pick. I agree with you and I hate it. Like he's a good player, he's one of the best personalities on the team. Arms he does have about that tentles. Yeah. If this if this guy is worth glad, you get that right. If this guy can play worth a spit, then I agree with

you because he just he fits it. You know, were you were you a Lomba? Yeah, no, no, that's my guy. Yeah. See this is this is one of the classic Brian your face up, Yeah, this is one of This is the classic Brian brought us over cell about a guy you're just You're just He's just here all the time. That's nobody's in this buildings here all the time too, and no one's but we think team spirit. He's the

biggest cheerleader. Well, I hope you hope you think you just like a lumba because the college he went to was like brought us University, No, Alverson brought us. Now that is a real place. The I think a sweatshirt. By the way, if you're listening to Alverson broad Us, I'd love a sweatshirt from there. Uh, the the the the thing with a Lumbo. Differently, it's one D. It's like Snoop Dogg's name. I am Amber takes me up. Cowboys Cowboy to the Cowboys drop stay on target, hop

scotch Cowboys, thank you. Why do you like this guy?

I'll tell you why I like this guy because I felt like though during when you get kids that play in the practice squad that all year long, they're there their work and their practice, and then you talk to people about them and they're going, you know what, Chris Rashard throws his kid out there when they go when they go live work with the you know when they're doing practice team stuff, practice squad stuff, instead of they throw him into real real work, Like he gets worked

with the first defense. Like they'll have eight plays and they'll throw them out there for a couple of plays. So they just kept every week they gave him a little more the game, a little more. Him and the kid Ward they got traded to Kansas City right before the Houston game. Those were two kids that they were really holding on. I mean they were really like, hey, we got two good young corners that we're going to develop here. And you know just happened. Kansas City did

a great job of picking what they get. Oh, they got a guard. The guard they got hurt in the Yeah, you knee hurt his knee. So but yeah, he's gone. I'm gonna cut him. I think they let him go. He's gone. He's gone. So he's still not just eating in the No, he's not. He's not eating the training table right now. But but that's why I think with the lumba, I just keep an eye on him and

Kyle Quero are two guys on defense. But that goes that goes to my point, which is you gotta think they have a similar plan in mind for Jackson, yes, which that leads me to believe that they're gonna try to find a way to get him on this team, which and there are ways to do that. You know, they only carried four cornerbacks at the start of last and they've carried as many as six in the past, So I always thought it was six and four, but you said last year it was they've done They've been

five four. I've done five and four. Yeah, they went light last year. They've done five and five, They've done six and four. So there's ways to manipulate it. But like his build and the uncertainty at cornerback in the future, just you know, I think they're gonna try to How about the really hard to make sure he's here. The West three kid too from Kentucky, Chris Westy. Yeah, they again a note's a free agent guy. But here's another long This guy's six to four and a half like this.

This position group is about to be the dulest on the team. And I feel bad for my guy Jordan, Like it's hard. He's gonna look way out of place. It's hard to figure out a place for him. Yeah, so sad, which you know, let's not bury anybody in any Yeah. Yeah, all right, Well let's move on to the safety position and position we've been talking since forever, and the Cowboys decided to address it. In the sixth

round they drafted Donovan Wilson. Thoughts on this guy and what he can do or once he comes in here. Cavon Frasier, that's what he looks like to me. It

looks like a Cavon Frasier's a big guy. Yeah. I broke down to play the other today again for the show that where you know, he's playing like in the middle of the field and then they run around inside where he reads the slam all the way and then he drives in really off hand play and I'm thinking, gosh, if he could just come in here and do that, that would be didn't you say, like coverage is really

not his strong suit. No, and that's something new. But but when you talk about the scouts, he's used the word clicking clothes is when they backpedal and they hit and then they go. He's got that ability though, to come forward. They when you talk to the scouts here about him, they are like they just think they stole one. They I mean, they are like, you know, Chris Hall was Chris Hall said in this seat and said like

that's his pet. Cat's class. Will McClay, Yeah, you know he does the one time a year he's willing to do the media rounds is right after the draft. He's coming on our show tomorrow. Yeah, he went. He did an interview with Calvin Watkins of the Athletic and was like this guy has Cam Chancellor like traits. Yeah, which like and even Chancel both of the Cowboys get ready that I taught. I saw Will in the training table. Yes. I was like, I was like, do I have this right?

Like I don't want to say this if that's not what you meant. And he's like, no, that's what I meant. Like He's like, I'm not saying the kid is Chancellor. I'm saying he's got those type of traits. And I was like, but you realize that you run the draft board and when you say that, it carries a lot of weight. And he's like, well, sue me basically like that's just how I feel like I don't know. I was like, okay, man, like just just telling you, like,

you're comparing this kid to Cam Chancellor. Um. So no, they I heard. I have it on good authority. Christopher Shard was handing out bear hugs in the war room when this kid got picked. So again, this is the time of year for crazy optimism. I'm not telling you that you should believe the things that are coming out of these people's mouths, really, but that's how they feel. See, this is gonna be a difficult year for this young man. Tell you why, because you got veteran corner. It's gonna

be veteran safeties. How much love is he really gonna get? I mean people really trying to help him develop him. Yeah, it's gonna come from Chris Richard and those guys like that. That's where the development will come from in the teaching. But that poor kid's gonna feel alone at times. I bet probably because you got some you know, you got you know, Cabon Phrasian safeties that are on one year deal exactly, they're not interested in not trying to help.

They're not trying to help this kid, Wilson get any better. I will say this though it's I know it sounds selfish, but I mean that's human nature. Yeah, it is fascinating. Though Xavier Woods is the only safety on this team with multiple years on his deal. Yeah, and all of the other you know, Cavan's on a rookie deal, Jeff Heath is his contract is you know, not a huge amount, and George Iloka is on a one year like vet minimum.

So if this kid is half as good as they're talking about him, being like, you can make some decisions there without hurting him, you know, I can't. But I have a hard time believing Jeff Heath won't be on this team. But if he outplays Cavon or you know, I always think about Will Allen, you know, yeah, he was so you know, everybody thought he would be a starter when he came in, and he was gone within three weeks of the season starting. If this kid is not if he's remotely as good as like an Eyeloca

or a Cavon, he goes back to your trust. Yeah, he goes back to the trust. Though how long did it take? It took an injury for late Vanderish to play. Yeah, oh no, this coaching staff is always going to go with the veteran that they signed Deante Thompson for whatever the reason. Yeah, like they signed him the first day of training a free agency and then the guy that I think keeps getting forgotten here is CJ. Goodwin. Because it's true because he is a special teams guy that

they just love. Now see a corner. He's really he's more of a corner than he is a safety. He's just a special teams guy. But I mean a hard time thinking he's not going to have a spot. This is I feel like we say this every year, but this is gonna They're gonna have a hard time cutting this thing down. Yeah, well, we're running out of time. We don't have to go under the whole undrafted free agent list, but we know that on drafted. No love

for Joe Jackson. We'll talk about Michael, but no Joe, we did talk about him we didn't talk about Joe. It's okay. Dad never gets talked about always. I put him when when we started talking about all the defensive and it's true, like going to death. But rod Manelli was surprised he was still there. I mean that they had a ray had a high grade on him. Rod Marinelli was very surprised he was still there on the board when they picked Jelks and correct me if I'm wrong. Jelks.

I love Jels Jelks and Jackson both they're both enormous, Like they don't need to put on weight. They're like six five two forty two fifty Joe Jackson's two seventy five. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it's gonna be hard to crack that depth chart just with the proven veterans that they have there. Those second half of those preseason games will be interesting. Yeah, you know, hopefully get some quarterbacks on the ground and those things. Yeah, that I was gonna talk about the

undrafted guy. Real quick had a story, but it goes about the undrafted. So what are you gonna say undrafted? Well, we don't have to go through the whole, but we know that undrafted guys turn some of them turn out to pretty good guys, the good players, and and pretty big names later down the road. So I wanted to go around the room and just give me a name of a guy that other people should be watching out for as far as the undrafted guys. You want it.

Who wants to start, I'll start? This goes with the story I was saying. I'll just go with the guy that's probably the highest rated one, Hyatt Utch Mitch Hyatt from Clemson, Clemson unanimous All American. I mean, for a great scene happened. He's got Zach Martin's resume. He doesn't have Zach Martin's talent, obviously, because he's not a first round pick, didn't even get picked, but he's the same

caliber resume as Zach Martin in college. I don't know if you guys are gonna say another tackle, but but Mark Colombo said to me yesterday that he we're probably gonna be able to block some people in the in the second half of preseason games, which has not always been the case with a guy like Night from Indiana. I believealler do they convince these guys to come here? Don't know there's no room on the depth recruit these guys do a great Lumbo, must be amazing on the phone.

Don't forget Larry Allen Junior. Well, yeah, that makes a little more sense. It's like, hey, you know, come on and at the same time you get a call from the Cowboys and you're no. But that's the beauty. You know. It sucks when these guys don't get drafted, but the beauty of being an undrafted free agent is that you get to pick your force. Well, you remember a lot of agents they did that survey last year. The agents said unanimously the team they want to put their players

worth as the Cowboys. Maybe that's something to do with that, just looking at the depth chart, and so I'm with, how do I make this team? No if I mean, and obviously players have more confidence in themselves than that, but all right, give me a guy they I started screaming for them to draft as soon as Tony Pollard was the pick at one twenty eight. I started saying, Okay, now they're gonna go get Daniel Wise out of Kansas because that they had him graded in the fourth round. Again,

guy that can play three technique defensive tackle. He's got relation his dad. I believe his close friends with will made a lot of sense. And so this is a defensive tackle who has a fourth round grade coming into a position where there's not a lot of long term stability, a lot of you know, you know, Carrie Hiders here, Christian Covington's here, Malie Collins as a year and the old but a whole bunch of guys. Yeah, but these

aren't guys that you have to keep. So if this kid's as good as they think he is, wouldn't shock me at all for him to fight his way onto the roster. The two wide receivers, these kids, the Guidon gen and Um John V. Johnson, john By Johnson. Keep an eye on both those kids, because to me, Guidon was a kid that played at Notre Dame and then had to go to North Texas for some stuff. And I'll tell you what the film on both those guys.

Toledo had a great receiving corps. Believe it or not, you think of Toledo Max School, but they had receivers you legitately had to go and watch and they all were very, very talented. For them to get Johnson out of that out of you as an undrafted free agent, I think was a huge kid. So keeping on the two safety or the two wide receivers Johnson and Guyon, those guys are gonna think turn some heads and camp after. I want to see a six four corner and we

just talked wester Western. I'd like to see him out there and see what his deal is. Well. Seven, from understand seven, all those signed, those newly signed guys were on their draft board with draftable grades. So if you tell me you I mean not many draft picks that they have eight. So you added fifteen players to your roster that had draftable grades. Now, either they're really right

or they're gonna be really wrong, which we'll see. But if you're a personal guy and you add fifteen players off your draft board to your roster, you're doing some good. That was, yeah, pretty good. I saw a scout on Saturday night and I wanted to talk to him about the picks and he was like, listen, this undrafted free agent classes insane. I was like, okay, yeah. Now, In a final note, they did sign four four linebikers. Yeah yeah, it's four of them, and I know that they were

going into the draft. A lot of people were questioning, you know, with Sean Lee's health and all of that. Damien Wilson going and what was going to happen at this position? Where are they going to draft or now? But they got some drafted. Mickey told us, Mickey told us yesterday he thinks Shawn Lee's playing Sam linebacker. I mean he said that he was with with that that Mickey swaggers Mickey, Yeah, Mickey, go Sam linebacker. I'm like

he went, don't know about that. He went, he cornered a coach, he did, he beat somebody probably, Yeah, he beat somebody up that day. Center Nebraska linebacker. I forgot his name, maybe Gifford, yes, Gilford, yeah, Gilford. No one mentioned Larry Larry Larry Allen junior. Yeah, well I mentioned the second again. You mentioned it when he mentioned then he went to a great school. He did. That's all

about it. There you go from Harvard Larry Allen, Larry Allen Junior going to Harvard, as Brian said the other day, And that's that's a bigger hey story. Larry Allen Junior his one. He has won the battle. Good for him, he has one. All right. Well, that is all the time we have for today. Thank you guys so much for tuning in Thank you Brian for joining us today. We'll be back next week on Wednesday for another show. Oh remember the draft show they're having. Will McClay in there,

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