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what we Know, What we don't Know. We're gonna talk about each position on the team, and these guys are gonna tell you what we know coming out of the offseason and heading into training camp, and what we don't know about each of those positions to get you ready and give you kind of a roadmap as to what we'll be looking for. As the Cowboys entered the twenty twenty one training camp in Oxnard, California, later in July. How's everybody doing today, I'm I'm I'm so good. I'm

I'm excited. I thought you weren't going to be with us for the last show, so I was I'm pumped to see you a gee. I send my goodbyes to everyone. Last week because Nike said no shows on Wednesday was like stuff to say, Yeah, no, I was the one that was so that was kind of up and down on this, Like I was kind of talked into maybe last week should be the last show, and then I was like, well, no, we should do this one. So

that's all of me. But I'll okay. I hope you tell you guys do a good job at training camp, that you guys give us information. Don't screw it up, don't make us believe one thing, and then the season stars and we believe we see another. So don't mess it up. Not be judging from the outside. The foundation has already been laid for her to blame us. I know anything that goes wrong, and by the way, I do it too. Every year, by the way, that's gonna happen,

like it always happens. We always have our camp gladiators and then we have to get into the season and it's like they're not as good as they were in training camp. So that's just the way it goes. We're gonna jump in real quick before we get to our game where we start breaking down this team. Heading into training camp, I first want to get some camp observations. Cowboys start their mini camp yesterday. They have mini camp yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and then the veterans will leave and not

be back until training camp. So what you guys see yesterday in the practice that happened out here at the Star, well, I didn't only watch a few minutes of it. I got here late, so it was the one of them boring as practices I've ever seen, so I really didn't get a good view of it. It wasn't I don't know. I know, we wrote an article of some practice points, but I mean from what I saw, I got the end of it where it was like helmets off and it was just like two hand touch and pulling flags

and stuff like that. So I didn't really get to see. Yeah, they kind of lured us into a false sense of security. The first two weeks of OTAs. It feels like because first two practices we got to see we're pretty exciting by nonpadded standards, Like you know, there were interceptions and rookies making plays and Dack is back and all this stuff. And yesterday was like the epitome of why you kind of roll your eyes at OTAs because it was it was boring. It sucked, to be honest with you, I

think it was instructional. They did a lot of situational work, like a lot of the types of situations where they're going through the reps in slow motion and the coaches are literally like out on the field moving guys into the parts of the zone that they want them in and that type of stuff. I'm sure it's beneficial for them, it's just not very citing for us to look at. And that's that's probably what two thirds of it was. Other than a couple of some seven on seven periods,

it was pretty boring. I'm not gonna lie. That's what I was gonna say. Like, even though it might be boring for whoever's watching, it's good to hear and see that they're doing these kinds of stuff because it needs to happen. So I'm glad to see that they are putting in the work and going back to basics we always talked about, and the players actually talk about that when they mentioned, oh yeah, this coach is going back to the techniques and basics. Players do like that from

what I hear them say. So it's good that they're getting those kinds of basics out there. And even though it's not fun at least by training camp, things will ramp up and be more exciting too. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter that it's boring for us, not like good. This is what they didn't have last year, Like the instructional on field stuff. I'm sure you can try your hardest to implement something you learned on Zoom, but being out there and seeing it for yourself, I'm sure matters.

So good for them, it's just not super exciting to watch from an outsider's perspective. Yeah. One of the things I'm actually going to be looking at a lot this year is how much different is this defense than last year? Because I'm a big believer in the fact that there are people that there are lots of people out there that learn that can learn by looking and by learning on a chalkboard or whatever kind of thing is in

front of them. There are a lot of other people out there that learn best by doing I'm one of those people. I learned by doing anything. I'm going to learn it, give it to me, let me try it, and I'll learn a lot faster than just listening to you talk about it. And so I'm really interested to see if that's similar to way a lot of these players are out there where last year trying to get into a new defensive scheme where all they were doing was just seeing it and not being able to really

do it as much. How much that set them back and how much they'll be advanced this year and trying to pick up this defense in situations where they're actually being able to do rather than just here. So we'll see. We'll see how much that makes a difference for this team. But I think that does make a huge difference for a lot of people, myself being included. All right, let's go ahead and jump into our game. We're gonna play a game called what we know what we don't know?

All right, I'm gonna give you guys a position. I'm just going to toss it up in the air, and then we will start first with telling us what we know and then we'll get into what we don't know. Let's start first with quarterback. What do we know? The Dallas Cowboys employee one of the five or six bests in the league, and he's fully healthy, ready to go. Mike McCarthy said, he's gonna be. They expect him to

be completely ready for training camp, like no limitations. He didn't take any off days this year, you know, like it would make sense to have him on a schedule. He didn't do that, and they expect him to be ready to do everything by July. So that's what we know.

I love how you just threw out that one of the five or six best quarterbacks in the league, because you and I, You and I and Danny McCrae had a long like it probably lasted about an hour conversation zation about like where players on this team rank across the league. And there's probably some argument that people have, but I agree with you. I think he's one of the best five or six in the league. Steph Kurry is one of the best players in the NBA, and

he couldn't get into the playoffs. So I think what we don't know is we don't know how good that is. Dak is the leader of this team. We don't know if he's good enough to translate to wins. That's what we hit. We don't know. We didn't know it last year. He was two two and three last year as a starter, so we got it. He's great, and I think he's fully healthy, and I think his tackles will help, you know,

in front of him. But we don't know if with the guys around him, if Dak is good enough to just carry the team to where they need to be. I think that's what I don't Does he need to yeah, like carry? I mean he needs to be good, But this is a really talented offense. Like I when I when you say carry, I think of like early on who had no help. What I think of the press conference that they created out the front for a forty million dollar quarterback. I think he definitely needs to carry

this team. He's been he's been making two or three million a year and then last year he made thirty one. I mean he's got to carry the team. That's what a forty million dollar quarterback is supposed to do, because who where else is it coming from? Has he not carry the team? Well? I guess I hear what you're saying, and I get your point. Yes, when you pay forty million dollars to a quarterback, you expect that he is going to carry. But I agree with Dave. I don't

think he has to. I think this team has so many weapons. I think it's it's important for him to make sure he does his job because it's not like this is not the kind of situation where you have a team where the quarterback is everything and everybody else is just kind of like if the quarterback doesn't do it, we don't win. Like I think this is the kind of team where the quarterback has to do his job. I don't think he has to step outside of what he does. You have a really good running game. He

just got to do his job, I think. Right. But I'm just saying going off of what we know and don't know. If we know he's the top five or six quarterback, that's what we think. I guess it's our opinion. Yeah, and I agree with that. I mean he's in the top five. I guess he is. I mean I can't. I don't know where you were going with that. Lady's in the top five, all right, No, I don't know he's in the top ten. He's in the top ten.

I don't want to go through this whole thing about it, because that's a tough argument because you got young guys. Would you rather have I mean, is he better than Herbert? Yeah? Who would rather? Who would teams rather have on their team? If they were starting a new team, they would probably rather have him because he's younger and he's got more upset. So it's hard to rank, you know, because would you rather have Dak or would you rather have Tom Brady?

For the next five years? Back? What about for today? Back to win a game today? Back Tom Brady through three picks in the NFC Champion Like, Yeah, it's a loaded team. He's not who he was ten years ago. Well, that's a great example of what we're talking about here. He's not carrying that team, contrary what a lot of people, the narrative, a lot of people try to create for him. He's not carrying that team. That defense carried that team for a lot of last year. It wasn't necessarily Tom Brady.

He's also arguably got a better receiver corps than the Cowboys, and the best tight end in history, I mean, or one of them. At least. So my only point I just like I said, not going to go into the deck versus Brady argument. I mean, Brady's unquestionably had a better career, right, but Brady's highs have unquestionably been better than anything DAC has done. But at this point in their careers, which I'm high on DAC, that's fine. But when you say which, we're already in the weeds won

position into this game. But when you say carry, I think of Lebron James trying to beat Duncan, Genoble and Parker with Delante West like that's carrying. It's like, hey, you gotta score forty ten and ten or we're gonna get our asses kicked. Whereas Dak's got to be good. He doesn't have to play at an MVP level for this team to make the playoffs. He's just got to be good. Yeah, in my opinion, I forgot what the question was. We're talking about what we know and what

we don't know about the quarterback position. We know he's signed, we know he's gonna be here, we know he's moving around like he hasn't been through an injury like the one that he went through. So that's really impressive. Honestly, I honestly did not expect him to be moving around

the way that he's been moving around this soon. So it's very um promising and exciting to know that he's looking this healthy at this point and he's apparently going to be ready to go full go during training camp hopefully. I mean, when Nick is making the argument about the guys around him, I mean, the only position that I would think you could question would be the old line, depending on what happens there and if he gets that kind of help and protection from the old line this year.

But other than that, I fully expect Dak to be able to make those throws during the season, be the quarterback that he needs to be, and also be mobile. I don't think that he's gonna necessarily be restrained after

the injury because of what happened. I think they're going to find the way to utilize him, especially in the red zone, so that I feel like we kind of know and then we're gonna know who maybe the backup quarterback, unless McCarthy finds someone after training camp or something and they decide to sign that guy to back up Dak. But as of right now, I feel like we all agree would be Gary Gilbert. So let's go on to the running back position. What do we know about the

running back position? I mean, we know who's gonna play it, but first and second string, Like, I mean, that seems like it's set in stone. Beyond that, I mean, I think we know that Zeke looks a little bit better right now. I think this offseason will help him because I think he looks I think he will go into training camp better than he looked last year at training camp. And I think that's probably a lot of players because they weren't doing the same hopefully, but I think with Zeke,

I think it matters a little bit more. We've seen some of the videos, we've seen the training. He looks pretty good out here. He hasn't been getting hit and he certainly hasn't been fumbling, which is what he's got to fix. But I think I think there will be You just get the sense. I get the sense at least, and I haven't even talked to him, but I get the sense that he hears all the voices, he knows,

he knows. When we put out an article later this summer about where's Zeke ranks against the running backs, on this schedule. We do it for quarterbacks, we'll do it for running backs. I don't think Zeke's going to be in the top five of that. No, what there's fine, You're probably right. I think there's five running backs, five running backs on this schedule less better than Zeke. Well, I mean you think through the schedule, I cook comes

to mind immediately he I'm going with Kaffrey and Barkley. Okay, you still gonna put Barkley because he hadn't even started practicing yet. Yeah, you're still gonna put him above Zeke. That's a good question. I think he probably will be. Yeah, I mean, maybe he will be. I'm just saying that right now. I'm not willing to put him there just because I don't even know how. If you know cowboys, you think cowboys are more scared of Barkley than giants are scared of Zeke two years ago. Maybe that's what

I'm saying today. I don't know. I don't right now, I would think I'm not scared, definitely. I mean it's right there, he's right there in the think. He and Kamara, to me, they're they're they're they're about the same time that crazy see kamaras I don't see Kamara as much better than I'm sorry, I vehemently disagree with you just

based on what they did last year. That's fine, But I just I see Kamara as I will be interested to see is Kmara the same quality back, sure, without having the benefit of the passing game that they've had to this point, because I don't I don't think they're gonna have that kind of passing game anymore. So I want to see is is Camara able to do things when when you know, when teams aren't having to pay attention to Drew Brees at quarterback and the receivers, he's

got it. You know, Drew Brees has missed a decent number of games the last two years, and they've leaned on him in a big way. I get it. He's come to get it. His game against Seattle two seasons ago was incredible, but he's still well. I mean, we're gonna go back a couple of seasons. I think Zeke has some pretty good performances to a couple of seasons

go as well. I mean, I'm just I don't see them as All I'm saying is I don't see him as completely different I think they're both really good quarterback. I mean, we're really good running backs. I think after that you can just kind of make the argument. I mean, the Raiders running back Jacob Jacobs, he's pretty good too. I mean, so so you know, the Chiefs back those guys, you know, for what they do in their offense, I think they're kind of all comparable. I mean, I think

Zeke is right there. Now, where does that rank, like top five in the league. I mean, I know Henry's Henry's not on the schedule, you know, and the Colts running back he's pretty he's pretty good. Yeah, Taylor, again, I don't put him a boves No, now I'm getting into the part where I don't put those guys about. Okay, I'm just saying about what my point is is, I think other than Henry, you're pretty much facing the best backs. Yeah, yeah,

I agree with it. This for this season. I might be missing one or two, but that's pretty much the case. So I think what we know, I think he looks good. What we don't know is will it will it matter? And mean when you get to the season. But yeah, that's like I guess that's I kind of had a hard time saying what I was thinking. And it's just because like we know, we know Zeke and we know Tony too for that matter. We know who they are,

we know their strengths, we know their weaknesses. I think Zeke's much a much better player than he looked last year, but I don't I don't know that he's gonna be better. So I'm just like, well, like, we know, we know who they are, we know that they're going to get the ball, we know that they're probably not going to get a heavy workload in the preseason. Just see you week one and hopefully it looks better than it did last year. One other thing I'll point out, and now

I want your opinions on this. I don't quite know what they're gonna do with Tony. I think he deserves more opportunities. I just don't know where they're going to come from. You've got three wide receivers that you really like, you got Zeke, you got two tight ends you really like, Like, where is it going to come from? Where are you gonna find opportunities for a guy like him? Where, by the way, where are you going to find opportunities for

the two tight ends? You know? I've heard. I think someone said last week that that there's a possibility they may use two tight ends on some packages. I'm like, that'll be nice to have in the playbook, but I don't think I'm expecting to see a lot of that. Who are your two tight ends? You're talking about Schultz and Jarwin? Yeah, yeah, I think both of them will probably deserve opportunities. I think Tony deserves opportunities. So my

question becomes, like, how many opportunities can you give them? Me? Is just because you have so many skill position players. If I am, if I have a position of need that in training camp that I've got to go trade for, um, I'm throwing Schultz out there as a truly Yeah, last year of his contract, probably not going to resign. It's coming off sixty catches. I don't think he's dynamic. I think he benefited from the guys around him. He's not

down the field breaking down one on once. He's he's sitting. He's smart enough to sit there and and makes some good plays. He gets himself open. But I don't think he's He's a guy that you would lean on. So if it's you know, if you if one of these young tight ends does something like they typically do. You know, they typically play well and we'll you know, catch your eye or something like that. Jarwin comes back, sprinkle does

his job and all that. Then Yeah, I think it's a it's a position that you might be able to trade for if somebody needs a tight end or something like that. I'd rather not. I like the idea having both of them. And actually our mail bag is about this today. I looked it up and not it's skewed because of all the injuries last year. But they were in twelve personnel twenty one percent of the time last year, Like they really leaned into eleven personnel understandably. Is that

also okay? Sure? Yeah, I mean, like injuries are part of that. They didn't have Jarwin. So now you know, with Jarwin and Schultz available, I think you could tick that up even maybe north of thirty percent if you wanted to. And I think it all works. Jarwin you can also flex him out and use him as a big receiver if you want to, Like I don't worry about the passing game. I think there's plenty of opportunities

for all of that. Tony's interesting. I like, they're not they're not gonna use him in the passing game in any sort of creative sense. I got to see that to believe it. But yeah, you say the day you're not believing him. I mean you started practice. He was out there running slants yesterday. But there's five injured receivers, like you know, show me this in the season. I don't care what you're doing in the spring. But you know that's why he's practicing now. He's practicing now because

nobody else. He's practicing because amar he's wearing Jordan's right now, like Amari's not practicing, and like half of the rookies are hurt right now. When the time comes, he can be ready in case they decide to be creative with him in the passing games again, and I will believe it. When you have so many different weapons you get. Give that to Kellen Moore who he showed last ye're several

different plays that we're pretty creative. So I think that, and again, this is expecting that all of these guys are going to be healthy throughout the whole year, and we know with injuries they can happen whenever, So I think that they are going to be able to find a way to utilize Tony Polar And we talked about it last year for so long. Oh Zeke versus Polar and how many players do you give to Tony now

that he's playing better than Zeke at that point. But I think Zeke is gonna be better this year than last year, and they are going to be able to utilize both of them and be productive. I really really believe so, especially after what Tony Polar showed last year. I think that gives them more confidence to be able to create plays our design for both of them and to be able to have maybe different occasions both of them on the field. Yeah, I think we all expect

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the break. We are live from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We are presented by Geico, and we were talking about what we know what we don't know heading into this two twenty one Dallas Cowboys training camp that will begin in Oxnard, California, later this summer. We have talked about the quarterback in the running back position. Let's talk about tight end. Nick, you mentioned what you would do if if you got in to the preseason, I mean, if you got the training camp and had

some other options there. I like Schultz, Yeah, let don't. I mean I'd like I think I'd like Schultz before anyone else did. I do like him, but I don't think he was a huge difference maker. I mean, I think he sat in his zone and caught the ball and it was a safety valve and all that. But I don't think he's a guy that you go into the season and you ever go into game plans and

teams are really worried about. I think he's just he benefits and just like Jarwin's gonna benefit this offense, guys around him, you're gonna benefit for being but a Jarwin's a little bit more explosive down the seam and will be a little bit we'll be a better player. But I don't see you guys keep saying twelve personnel, two tight ends. I don't think this is a good setup. These two guys aren't good blockers. Usually one of them

is a better blocker. So this particular twelve personnel, just because they're tight ends, I don't think that they I don't think they benefit. I don't think they could just run over people because Jarwin and Schultz are in the game. So that's why I think. I think it's a one in three situation, you know, like a the one consider a better blocker. Sprinkle's got to be a better blocker. If you had twos, be think those two though, who do you think is the better blocker of the two? Yeah,

probably Schultz, A probably Jarwin. But it's that clue. I mean it's that I think of him similarly. Yeah, I kind of agree, and I and I thought, huh with which one? I agree that it's it's kind of close, there's not. Honestly, I don't think there's a big difference between the two when it comes to blocking, and to be honest with you, what I saw last year from Schultz, I'm not sure that even as pass catchers, I see a huge difference between Like, Schultz made some plays down

the field. He made some plays that that he had to show some athleticism. Um and sometimes after he got the ball in his hands, he showed some athleticism. So I don't know that. I think I thought before last year, and I was one most people before he even got to last year, I was like, why is he still on the team. Uh, he showed me a lot last year. I think he's just as good as Jarwin. I don't

think you lose anything one versus the other. I just think from like twenty yards down the field, I think it takes about twelve steps for Schultz to get there. I think it takes about seven for Jarwin's. Wow, that's a different I don't agree with you for whatever. Maybe that's an eager but but it's I'm talking about just how quickly he gets down the field. I mean, Jarwin, he just eats up yards and that's why his average

is pretty high. So everybody was excited about what they were going to get out of him last year, and I'm you know, I think it'll be I think, I mean, I just think he is a more of a difference maker than Schultz. But I give Schultz credit for what he did last year. And Schultz made some plays downfield last year, like he had a nice touchdown against Atlanta Cleveland, probably twenty twenty five yards down the field, like he did it. But I don't I disagree with you, Like

I really I agree with nick. Jarwin has a little bit more of an explosive element to his game, like what he can do in the seam. If you remember the yak touchdown that he had against the Giants a couple of years ago where he caught it, Yeah, it was like a ten yard catch, but he scored a thirty yard touchdowns. He just outran everybody and slipped a tackle too. Like I think he's a better athlete just

bottom line, And that's exciting. But I mean, if he can get down the scene with all the attention you got to pay to everybody else, but when the season started, everyone was excited about Jarwin and said the stats will be sixty four catches for five hundred yards, five touchdowns or four touchdowns, which is exactly what that's Schultz's numbers.

I think everyone would have been excited about that. So, not trying to talk out of both sides of my mouth, but I just think there's upsides, is still a little bit more. That's probably the best you're going to get out of Schultz. Probably. I do think he's still a young and developing player, and so I think last year was just the year where he broke out because mainly because he got opportunities, and I think we saw from him last year that he is more than adequate in

this offense to play that role. Okay, to answer the question what we don't know, and I'll say that what we don't know about them is how those two guys will work together and benefit the Cowboys as a twelve personnel. Those two can they when they're both in the game, Are you worried about the team's worried about the way they run the ball because they're two tight ends in there.

That's what I don't know. Yeah, and that would be it would be disappointing if you had to run, which no disrespect to Jeremy Sprinkle, but if you had to take one of them off the field to use multiple tight ends, or if you had to use like Big eleven, like use Jarwin as your slot receiver and take one of those receivers off the field. I don't like the

sound of that. It was a baller in college though, Sprinkle Sprinkle, he's I mean as a pass catcher, right, and he has he has had a decent Like his stats are not terrible for a guy who's never been you know, a starting caliber tight end. I mean, I guess that's my point. Like I think if you see twelve personnel, I think it's actually gonna be with one

of those two plus Sprinkle. Yeah, I think that's the where you get an advantage because you have one that can literally stay in and block if you needed him to so. And this team likes Let's do not forget about Sean McEwen. They like him and if you watch some practice out there, he seems like he's always doing something. Guy know, Jarwin's not out there, but McEwan is a guy that you know they like. And we'll see by the any rookies the tight TCU tied end Lynn maybe, yeah,

don't make me say. I think it's like number forty seven. And they got a kid from Michigan too, looks the part. Yeah, he looks the part. Nick Eubanks, Nick Eubanks, Yes, that's the guy that gets off the bus. He's that kind of guy. I don't know about you Banks. I'm talking about seven. Oh well, who's Artavious Land No that you're forty nine. That's the one. He It has like twenty catches in his career at TCU. You know they weren't like feeding him the ball. But yeah, all right, let's

I guess. I just I just don't know what it's going to look like. Really, we did talk about tight end a lot. Yeah, I thought this is where we would make up some ground on the quick. We got time, We got plenty of time. We can get through all of these. I thin say, so, let's go to wide recess. If you say so, let's go to wide receiver. What do we know? What do we don't know? We know that they have arguably the best receiving corps in the league.

I think only Tampa, not even not even Tennessee even with Julio, Like, I mean, they don't have one of the three, they don't have the best duo, but they arguably have the best trio in the league. I think, really only Tampa can compete. Um, there's another team. I was thinking it had a good trio too, and I can't remember who it was. I'll take I'll take Dallas against damn near anybody, if not everybody. I mean, sometimes that third guy is just there because like whoever the

third guy in Tennessee is, I don't even know. I mean, either that's my three year or something. I don't know. There ever, it is, there are four or five teams that have a better duo than the Cowboys, in my opinion, whether that's Tennessee, Tampa obviously can say that when the Cowboys duo is undefined. I mean we could we could go around on the table and probably have different I mean, but I just a CD and and I guess as

clear as CD and Cooper, right clear, I think. So I don't know, that's tough because like I'm the guy that's always like stop disrespecting Michael Gallup. But like if you made me pick two of the thirty, I think I think Gallup is a really good receiver. And I will tell you this, I'm I'm very interested to see

and Nicky I talked about this yesterday. I'm very interested to see how he performs this year because he is in that range where there may be a team out there that looks at how he performs this year and says we'll pay him one or two number one, number two wide receiver money, and it'll make it tough for the Cowboys in that situation unless they're planning to move on from say Cooper, and it will make a tough decision for the Cowboys of which one they value more

where they are in their career. So I think he's right there on that cusp of that kind of guy. What we know, CD Lamb will be on the roster in twenty twenty two. Yeah, yeah, what we don't good point, Yeah, I don't. I don't know for sure about Cooper. He's under contract, right, Yeah, but they get out of it. His guarantees are done. They got loaded the heck out of that contract. Man. I mean, he was so good, like, well, we don't have to worry about that. They don't have

to worry about it. Knock on wood. Yeah, I mean, not like twenty twenty two is going to bring a whole host of questions, but knocking on wood and we're talking about training camp, they have arguably the best trio in the league. They are all healthy and in their prime and look like they're ready to light the league on fire. Which and I know the quarterback back. Yeah, and it didn't come with you know, even when Dak

was there. We know they had a losing record, I get it, YadA YadA, but they were prolific, Like they were all on pace for like twelve hundred yards before Dak got hurt. I actually I said this on the radio the other day, Big lsu Homer here, but even I'm kind of like, let's let's settle down on the Justin Jefferson hype because he got to play a whole season with the right circumstances. C D had a fantastic season. And I mean there were drops he had, he had

some problems. It wasn't all perfect, but I think I think people would be talking about him a lot more if he had had better circumstances. And I you know, people are like, well, why did all these other receivers get drafted before Justin Jefferson, I'm like, wait, just wait a minute, Like, let's just wait a year and see if you're still saying that when CD gets to go through year two with Dak and have a better offense.

And I'll say this, one of the things about receivers for me is in their rookie year, I know they're going to be challenges because that's the nature of going to the NFL. But look at the kind of catches they make. That'll tell you a lot about what you can project them to be. In some of the catches he made, I don't know if ninety percent of the receivers in the NFL can make, he would have won. He made some amazing catches. He would have won Rookie

of the Year with one catch against Pittsburgh Baltimore. Baltimore. Yeah, I mean, I hate calling it a drop. It was fifty five yards down the field and I didn't really know Andy Dalton could sling it like that, But right before the half, remember that, hell mat I mean, if he went up and snagged that, that would have been one of the highlights of the year. Yeah. I'm not saying maybe he doesn't beat Jefferson. His numbers were incredible.

But um I here's one more point about Gallup. I would do everything I could to resign him if I'm the Cowboys. What I like about him not not anything to do with with on the field. He's great there, he's a deep threat, but he is he is not the prototype when it comes to DIVA wide receivers. He likes to share the ball. He likes to be a part of this um. He even said one game was it you know I had a hundred yards at the half. You know, somebody else needs. He has that mentality where

he's not a problem. It's not a problem. If Harper had a lot of great plays in a game, that that's good for the Cowboys. But Michael Irvin had a problem with it, not not saying that they didn't like each other, but saying, Michael one of the ball. And then you can say that there was a dog mentality and all that. And I still think Gallup has it. But I think he is a great, great fit for other star receivers, and I would do what I could

to resign him. Hell yeah, it just sounds like, sounds hard, sounds tough to know because and that's you know, maybe more than more than Cooper than is what I'm really saying. Okay, I mean, he's really got to have a subpar year or the Cowboys have to make a tough decision between him and Cooper. Right, there is no way between. If he has a great year, then it's I think it's going to be very difficult to sign him to a

contract that other teams aren't willing to beat. And then it becomes situations does he just want to be here for less money? But I don't suspect that's going to be the case. So all that being said, like it's a it's a tough situation to be in with a guy like that, in in a in a three you know, in a three way. I mean, he's got three wide receivers on this team that are all really good. And this goes back to my you know, we had that

argument with Danny McCrae. I think, and this, I love Coop, but this is where I'm like, well, let's let's respect. Let's put some respect on Amari Cooper too, because I think he's the top ten receiver in the league. And people kind of balk at me when I say that he's not. He's not like, he's not Hopkins, he's not He's not top three, and the disappearing acts, the road problems, that's all fair, but that last season, coming off what he did, really only had one bad game, and it

was when Denucci was the quarterback. He was consistent. Everybody, everybody had a bad game. Then it was one of the worst professional football games I've ever watched in my life. But week after week he's a route technician, he's a deep threat. He I mean, I I think not enough people appreciate how good Amari Cooper really is. So unless and we can never predict it, like maybe he gets hurt and missus eight games and then all of a sudden,

it is a tough conversation. But if they get seventeen weeks of what Cooper did last year, I don't think it's even close in terms of who I'd rather have no offense to Mike, you know what. Going back to focusing on this year specifically and going back to Nick's point of all, like Michael Gallup and how he is, That's one of the things that I was going to mention that I'd really like about this group is that

it's it's like a quiet group. And even though to me many many times last year, I would forget about Amari Cooper, like he wouldn't make necessary, like really flashy plays, and it was like, how much has he played? And then you look at the end of the game the stats and you're like, oh, oh, crap, okay, so and that's not necessarily a bad thing. I mean, that's great when you have guys that don't necessarily are causing that much attention, but they're being really productive on the field.

And those two guys, I think that City Lamb he can be that, he can become that kind of diva guy. He has the attitude and the skill for it. He could become that. He isn't that yet or anything, but I think that because he's surrounded by two guys like that, it's pulling him back as far as maintaining that teammate thing. You know that it just works. You know, it just works, and they're fine with being spreading things around with each other and not taking old I need more plays or whatever.

I think that right now. I just love how this trio works, and I love Celey Lamb's attitude and the fact that he's talking about being more aggressive for next year and some of the things that we have been able to see during these practices. I mean, it's freaking impressive the fact that he's still looking like that, and this is just the beginning for him. So it's really really exciting to see that the Cowboys do have this

trio for this year. Yeah, I agree with you. I think the reason why Cooper isn't as respected I think sometimes or at least not put in that category across the league with those great receivers because he's not as flashy. He makes things that are not ordinary look easy, and so I think people just kind of think, oh, well, he was just open. Well there's something he did to get open to make that play. And I just think that's a part of his game that people don't respect

as much as they should. All right, let's move on. Let's talk about the offensive line. What do we know? What do we don't know? What do we don't know? Probably is Tyrn Smith, you know, we don't know, Joe Looney, I don't don't We don't know about the center position. This is the position where we probably got more I don't know, And that's interesting to say on a team like this with that defense, I know, don't know how many games Tyrant's gonna play, Zach Martin is gonna line

up at right guard. He'll be that, He'll be there. That's I mean, And I mean, you know, this is this is what I'm saying. I know I was I thought you were done. Oh no, so I just this is what like, this is the epitome of optimism season, and it is. It's exciting, you know, Tyrn, He's talked multiple times in the last week. He's he's in a he's in a fantastic mood. Like he's smiling from year to year. Oh yeah, no, I like he's he's not a jerk, but he's just kind of a low key,

stoic guy. And he seems yeah, he seems to be much more bubbly, which is never a word that I thought I would just to ever do it. Never never said a word. Yeah, no, I don't know. I just get the best to ever do it. Said a word. No, that's not uncommon. He's going in the Hall of Fame. It's just a cloud. I don't know. Man him and his wife. His wife came and got him. He knew

that he was the one. That's funny. My point, it's this is the time of year like everybody feels great, like the surgery when amazing and I feel awesome, and I'm you know, Tyrn's gonna play till the wheels fall off. That's what he said yesterday, and I hope that's true, but I don't know it. That's all the same, I mean, same thing goes for Lyle, honestly, like hip injuries. That sounds really scary when you know your whole job is leveraging gigantic strong people. So man, I really, I really,

I think they're gonna hold up. I've been bullish on them this whole time, and everything we're seeing suggests that they're in a good spot. But you just don't know, and it's that's scary. I just I don't want to I don't want to be in where are we going week two? LA? I don't want to be in LA, And like you know, two quarters into the second game of the year, we're talking about this again. I hope that doesn't happen. But we just don't know he's done well.

We know that sac Marine can do a good job at tackle, so yeah, that's one thing we do know. Other than that, I mean, there are many things we don't know for this whole thing we know that I think this group has I think this group has the potential to be their best line in a few years, because because of this injury, it hasn't been like that's that's five years ago that the Dallas line had this

amazing reputation. But I think they have the potential. Probably not as good as like Cleveland or some of these other great lines that have come up in the last few years, but much better than what we've gotten used to seeing since twenty seventeen. I think this team has a borderline problem at center. And I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't like what they have at center. You're not a fan of of of their their young guys. You don't like what Andy Dalton said, No, no, but but no,

I don't like. I don't like the fact that you're putting all your eggs on in the basket of Beotish, a fifth round pick who got hurt in pregame warm ups last year with his hamstring injury. That bothers me too. And then and then who's the backup Farniak? Why don't they put Connor Williams over there at least to try. I don't I don't know Connor McGovern, Connor McGovern, he was a fourth round pick, just that. But I mean they trade it up. Yeah, I mean he was picked

one forty six. It's not a big difference. I think he's fifth round. I keep saying, semi Phojokos is six. The's a fifth. Once you get to day three, it just blurs together. It's fine, looks like an eighth um. But I thought I played last year. I thought he played okay for a rookie on that offensive line. Yeah, yeah, I played okay for rookie like like like, I think that's that's right, that's what standard. And you hope that

he's gonna get better and all that. But if not, then what like, I don't I don't like the position as that stands right now. I need even if it's a backup, if it's Joe Looney, whoever, I need a backup that will be like if we have to play him, he's played four or five years. I need that journeyman guy that can at least back him up. It can't be farniok as the guy so or even McGovern. So.

I just there's something about this position. It's just unsettling right now, and that's we did a whole segment on it last week. We don't have to do it again. But their whole thing always every position is like we're gonna try to create competition, and that center, it's we got Tyler and if that doesn't work, we got like four guys who did this five years ago in college. Like that's you know, even McGovern's taken snaps and OTAs like a few times, he's never done it in a

meaningful situation. Connor Williams, I don't know if he's ever played center in a game, even in college, because he

was All American tackle. So it's just weird to think that that that's what they would go to training camp with, which is why we talked about Joe Looney for like a because I think they need the competition and be because we all like Joe, Like I hope he is on the plane when they eventually get ready to go, but I don't, And I'm okay if he's your backup, I'm okay if he's your backup, because I love him

as a backup. I mean center, guard, guard, he goes to the game, he can fill in at any spot, and if be honest, is the guy beats him out and they really want him to win the job. But Looney's right there kind of behind him pushing him. I'm fine with that. I'd feel better about it. They can't be Farniac pushing Beadish. I mean, I don't know. It's just unsettling. This might be a dumb question, but I'm

not trying to be funny or anything. How difficult is it really to find decent offensive lineman because I mean I feel like every year, whether it's the tackle position or maybe I mean, guard hasn't been questioned as much as I mean Connor william has been questioned during his time here, but now center, I've like every year there's some there's always a big doubt, whether it's on whatever side of the line that the Cowboys have, And I just it makes me wonder about the rest of the NFL.

I don't really keep up with kind of what their backups are other than quarterback and pass rusher. I mean, it's it's absolutely one of the hardest things to do, is to especially more so tackle like it, you know, and that's what you know, centers tend not to get drafted highly kind of going in the nose tackle argument. Kind of fill that. When they drafted Travis thirty first overall, everybody freaked out saying you could get him in the

third round because centers are undervalued. But just in general, like finding quality offensive lineman is very hard to do, mainly because the differences in blocking schemes to college, what they ask their players to do, the caliber of players they go against. So I mean this is a league wide problem. Like if you if you if your top five get hurt, you're typically in a world of trouble. That's not just the Cowboys. And last year they had a lot of injuries and it was at those two

premium positions at tackle, right and left tackle. So I think, yeah, I think it's a hard position to be able to find. Let's go and take our final break. When we come back, I want to jump to the defensive side of the ball. We're gonna talk about what we know and what we don't know. We'll do that when we come back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Hi, I'm Clint Tullison with United Aggin Turf. Before you can park yourself in front of the game, park yourself in a John Dear

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do we don't know? Can we just do the whole defense and be like we don't know anything, we don't know? You know, some things come on, I know that they have one. Brandy Gregory is having his best offseason he's ever had. True because he's having it off season. Never sorry that Michael Parsons is looking to be a badass. Okay, he is everything that he's just shown so far in the way he's baps, Yeah, backup tackles and stuff like that, Like, no, no, we need he needs to go up against Zach Martins

And I don't know. I don't know what any of it's gonna look like like I do. Yeah, Randy Gregory is having a great offseason because it's the first time he's ever had one. Michael Parsons does look really exciting. But do I know how much he's gonna be on the field? Do I know what his role is? Not? Really he's doing a little bit of everything. Do I know? You know DeMarcus Lawrence is a rehab guy right now, He's not really practicing, which is fine. I don't care,

but I just I'm not I'm not seeing him. Um, they rotate the defensive line and which the alignment every other rep. I mean, they're they're doing it. Looks I hate saying this because it's a bummer, but it looks a lot like last year in terms of, you know, the four man front and then the dropping and the three man front, and they're using different personnel. I just don't I don't know. I think Bryn Urban is going to be more of a factor on the defense. Then

Davean saying that, Yeah, that's right. I gotta give you credit. You've been saying it. I know, I mean, I know, I know when we go up to Canton for the Hall, for the Hall of Fame, a game and all that, Um, they're gonna be sizing Bohanna's like bust and stuff like that. That just get him him ready, getting ready. Yeah, they're not putting him in, not putting him in ready. But see even with Brent Urban, who yeah, like he he's gonna I think he's gonna be one of your base

ends when they do the three four stuff again. I think he can kick inside. But I don't I don't know what it's how good he's gonna be. I think he's got the potential be good. I think he'll probably be one of your predominant starting defensive linemen. But I just don't. I don't know, And maybe you know I'm gun shy because what we always talk about of like hyping people up too much. Yeah, is this one of the like I'm specific I'm speaking specifically about the inside

part of the defensive line. Is this one of the few positions on this team maybe other than that in safety where right now, we could probably go around the table and we would have different names as to who we even think are going to be the starters. Like, there are a lot of starting jobs up up for grabs. Defensive tackle. I can't tell you that the two guys that were starting there last year will be the two

guys starting there this year. Right, one of them is not practicing, you know, I'm in Tristan Hill, right, and then Neville Gallimore. I mean he's gonna get in there. And which we pencil them in as the starters because they were high drafting hicks and they were here. If they started more than one game together, it was it couldn't have been more than one. Kristen was hurt by the time Gallimore came on, So like, it's not even like that is an experienced duoford. You know those guys

played in there. Ye Urban will factor in, Um, he's gonna, he's gonna, And Chauncey Golston has been kicking inside Watkins, Carlos Watkins. I mean, he's your other base end right now. When they when they do three man fronts, played a little bit of yeah he played all knows he don't line up in there. Well know that's it's it's weird to think about it. You know, we haven't seen Tristan

and they never stay the same. So like Watkins will be out there in the three man front and then he comes off and somebody else comes in when it's a four man front, or maybe he's he's played some one in a four man front. Two Like it makes my head spend trying to keep track of it all. And they don't even have their full Allotmentum guys, so I couldn't hope to tell you what their rotation will be when it matters. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't know everything thing we don't know.

I know they got it. I know they got a lot of guys who you couldn't call proven. I get urban is like the one he I mean, he's been in the league for eight years. He's got a pretty good reputation for what he does, which has stopped the run and eat up blocks. And that's the closest I think you can come to a guy with a proven reputation. I think, I think what what sets the defensive line apart is when you have a third guy that that

does something a defensive end. You know, you you got to you gotta have a stud rusher and he's got to play like one and have the stats like one and get the reputation where you know, draw the double teams. And I will see if d Law can do that. And then he got another guy on the other side, if he can make a difference like he like he

shows he can. But then if you get a third guy that that comes in and can do you know, maybe five or six sacks of seas him, that's you know, if bash him can be that player, then I think I think the defense can be much improved. And um, you know, he has the potential to be that guy. All right, listen, we want to linebacker position. What do we know? What do we don't know? We know, as Amber say, if Parsons will be a badass, but well no, we don't know that he's looking to be a badass. Oh,

he's looking to be a badass. He's shown the flexibility in the different positions, how they've been kind of moving him around. He's looking to be that like someone who can actually help create some pressure and get to the quarterback. So that's exciting when you talk about, you know, getting tacks.

I think he's looking to be like someone who's gonna start I'm sorry, this is coming from the woman who, like at the end of the summer or in October, she's going to be the one that's pissed off if it doesn't go the way that she wants it to go. He looks so good at yeah. Oh, and he does, by the way, worse than last year saw. He does look great at OTAs like he's getting like he's intercepting passes,

he's getting his hand on the ball. He killed Garrett Gilbert yesterday, like if it had been a live rep, he would have killed him. He actually screamed because he got off the line so fast he was in the backfield before Tie and Secky even got out of his stance. He was already backed the swing tackle ladies in jail like. By the time Garrett Gilbert had the ball in his hands and looked up, Parsons was there and it was it was exciting. That is what is exciting to me.

The fact that we haven't seen him in real NFL football game, which the speed we know it goes way up. But as of right now, that's one of the exciting things for me is seeing his speed, which is something that to me was lacking last year at the linebacker position, and again we haven't seen it in a real game, which changes everything. But as of right now, I'm excited to see the kind of speed that he's showing and maybe what that's going to look like in an actual

NFL game. I need four preseason games from from him, I mean, and not four for everybody, but for Micah Parsons. I want to see him in four games because he hasn't played any footballs in two years, so I think he needs to not a lot. I'm not talking about a bunch of time, you know, but I think just the speed of the game. Even though preseason is different, it's still fast. It's way faster than anything he's ever experienced,

anything he's experienced in a year and a half. So I think it's important to kind of get him out there in different, different roles. And I think the preseason games will benefit him as much as anybody. Especially for a number twelve overall pick, you would think it's more get in and get out, which it will be, But I still think he needs to play some of these

games a little bit more than normal guys would. All I'm willing to say I know is that other than quarterback, this is the position that they've invested in the most. And it's kind of crazy when you think about it. Thirteen million dollars a year, Jalen Smith, nineteenth overall pick, Layton vander esh twelfth overall pick, Michael Parsons, the best free agent signing of the year, five million dollars, Keyan O'Neil,

fourth round pick to brill Cox. Like, they know it's put resources, they know it's a problem, yeah, and hopefully that does something to fix it. And we're not talking about it like we talked about the wide receiver position. That's what's scary. Yeah, yeah, if you invested all day that, I really wish I knew a lot more for how much money they've spent on it. All right, let's let's finish this up with the secondary. What do we know?

What do we don't know? Well, you mentioned Kian O'Neil, and I want I wanted to ask you guys, what have you guys seen from him? I feel like I don't know much. And that's a guy we talked a lot about him during the off season, so I mean, I like what I've seen a lot. The only thing that gives me pause is just I don't know how they make it all work with all these other linebackers. But he's out there a lot. In Nickel, he's out there a lot. Like I think he's he's going to

be one of their passing down guys. Like if it's third and more than four or five, I think he's gonna be on the field. He adds, going back to the speed thing, I mean, if him and Micah Parsons are on the field together, yeah, that is a fast linebacker corps. And then he was he was a strong safety in Atlanta for most of his career. Anyway, like that's what he does. Like he said that, He said that a week or so ago. He was like, in my head, I've been a linebacker for a long time,

Like that's basically what they asked me to do. Somebody posts a video clip of him last week yesterday on Twitter meeting Leonard Fournette in the hole and just stopping him cold. I mean, he's got that kind of power and ability. Um, he looks good to me, he looks the part. Yeah, I just again have fun figuring out how these guys all rotate. Um, but he's a linebacker until something like he is not playing safety at all. For anybody that wants to know, he hasn't done it.

We kind of need some help back there in the backfield. Is that what we know or what we don't know about the secondary? Like you know there, there's lots of questions there because he and Curse have been the guys that have been here the most, and they've been playing together,

and they've been the guys the first team starters. And if you're out there wondering where Donovan Wilson is, I mean he hasn't participated as much in the voluntary injury No, but remember now, it was voluntary and this is not normal. You have the president of the nfl PA and you know, players committee saying that we shouldn't do this. So players had their own thoughts on how they did stuff. And I'm not I don't even know the deal with Donovan Wilson.

I just know he didn't. He didn't participate a lot. He's out here though in the this is not this is mandatory. They're holding him out. He's got they're calling it knee soreness, and he's been at OTA's. Yeah, he's been here. He's been here. He hasn't. He hasn't been here for as much of just the offseason, like pre spring stuff as some other guys. I guess what I'm saying is is, don't get the sharpie out for putting him in starting safety even though we kind of thought

that he was, you know, doing all that. And I don't think they're looking at it like, well, he has to be the guy. He's gonna factor into this because he's a playmaker and he don't positions that are up for grabs. At this point, it's like who's gonna win. Even before he hurt his knee curse was getting reps with Kaze ahead of him. He was mixing in and I'm not trying to assign strings in the spring, but urs is getting a heavy look. Um I think I know.

I'm gonna go as far as to say I know who the I know who the cornerbacks are going to be, at least at the start of the season. I really feel that way. I think Kelvin Joseph or Nishan Right would have to do something incredible to pass up Anthony Brown, Treyvon Diggs, and Jordan Lewis at least at the outset of the season. And Nishan Wright has looked great. He's had a great spring, but he's still the spring. He's going against Ben d Nucci and Aaron Parker. You know

there's a difference there. Um, So I think I know what the cornerback depth chart looks like, at least for the start of this thing. Safety not so much. Wouldn't we get to training camp and they do the one on one drills and stuff like that. I want to see Nishan Right against um the I want to least see him against the Cedric Wilsons and Noah Brown level

and I don't see that. Definitely like to say, I don't know if he's just boom put him right there, but you know, I he's done a nice job, and he's he's exceeding expectations which were in the dirt when he was drafted office, which and that's they were in the dirt, and now it's like they're here. You know, I'm like, well, yeah, come on, let's bring it down in the middle somewhere. Which is it's funny because I'm I've been reluctant to just proclaim things, but I have.

I think I think fans will probably be pissed as training camp winds down and it's like, wow, like Kelvin and Kelvin and Nishan aren't gonna just grab this thing by the horns, Like no, it's hard to play cornerback in the NFL, and the three guys at the top of the depth chart have been doing it a lot longer. Other than his parents, nobody gets excited about Anthony Brown. They just don't know. Nobody does. And that's just because he's just the guy that comes in and does his job.

But you know, he's made a few plays in his career. He's probably one of the what top ten tenured players on this team right now, just because I've even he's been here five years. But you know, he's solid. I think that's the best definition for him, and which doesn't get people excited. No, nobody gets excited about solid corners, but those right and and Joseph, they've got to get to that level and that's hard to do as rookies. That's yeah. I just think the deck is stacked against

those guys. And sorry if that bumps people out, and maybe they'll prove me wrong, maybe they'll be incredible, but I unless somebody gets hurt, I think the top three corners, it's gonna be hard to unseat those three in my opinion. All Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. That's a rap for us. We will be back once training camp begins in Oxnard, California. We will the three of us will be an ox star. Amber will be taking a

little time, that little family time writing that down. Well, Jerry is said it, So I'm betting on the fact that if Jerry said Jerry, Jerry has said nothing about me being an oxyd, the Cowboys, I assume will be You're gonna be an oxydh Okay, cool, trust me, you'll be an ox. Good to know we'll breaking news here. Yeah, I'm gonna say like nobody is in your back, Okay, we'll get you there. I'll make sure that happens. Amber

will take a little family time. She'll be back with us at some point in the season how that goes, and we'll probably be calling her and annoying her and making her, giving her and give us some opinions throughout camp till then. For Nick Even, Dave Helm and Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagles and this has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.