Cowboys Break: What Just Happened?

Season fourteen, episode number ninety seven. Welcome to a new edition of The Break, live from the SWBC Morgan Studios at the Star. And it's a different Wednesday than we've experienced in the last six weeks. Been a little different. Cowboys go out yesterday and lay an egg literally lose to the Indianapolis Colts in Indianapolis. They lose twenty three to zero, a game that I guess, by all accounts just wasn't The Cowboys just were not playing well on

either facet of the game. As as to Laurence said after the game, they got beat offensively, defensively, and in special teams. It just was not a good day for them. Yeah, I mean it was the worst game, worst game they've played all year, worst game I could remember them playing in a while, and you know, I think we need to see exactly what this team really is. I think, I mean, expectations are different now to Marley, Yeah, I think they are. For me, I mean making the playoffs.

They still have a decent they still have just so much of a chance as they did before. But my expectations of this team are different. If you're gonna play like that, then yeah, I mean about what you type of team you can be. You're not going anywhere in the playoffs. This team isn't. I don't know. I don't get that impression that that doesn't mean that for me. For me, I look at it and I say that they had a horrible game yesterday. I don't know if

that means much for the future. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. We'll find out how they respond against Tampa Bay and we'll see what they how they finished the season, and then what they do in the playoffs. But you know, this happens in the NFL. There were a lot of teams yesterday that lost that weren't supposed to lose. Now, a lot of them didn't get but yeah, a lot of them didn't get blanked. And that's a big difference. But again, I don't know that. I don't know that.

I take that. I go all the way there off off of one game. I really hate the words that are about to come out of my mouth because I despise the notion that I'm a homer. I hate it. But yeah, no, I lean way more toward Derek's side of things than anything else. What I was trying to say about me, You're a homer, But I mean, that wasn't directed at you. That's just direct. You are a homer, but that's just not a that's direct realism that's directed at you. Don't we don't need to go free Amber

agrees with it. I do agree with whatever, regardless it it's it. It wasn't intended as a shot at you, just in general. You know, I'm I work for the team, and I'm sensitive to the thought that somebody would think I'm a homer. But um I this was so bad that I view it as more of an outlier than anything else. Like that's how bad it was. To Nick's point, this was worse than the performances they put up in

Seattle and Carolina at the start of the season. This was, uh, you know, one hundred and seventy eight rushing yards allowed on the ground. That's that's where it starts for me. Like, we've seen this offense struggle. We've seen them bogged down in the red zone. We've seen the play calling go out the window. You know, we've seen special teams problems. What else have we seen? We've seen in the offensive line be completely unable to play a clean game and

protect Dak Prescott. Like all of that stuff is new to see this defense just get absolutely mauled. Is not that that's very new? U? I think, you know, I looked it up that this is easily one of the biggest rushing totals. It is the biggest rushing total they've allowed this year. I think it's the biggest one they've allowed since twenty fourteen. And in twenty thirteen they allowed this regularly when they were the worst defense in football.

It was astonishingly bad. Especially you know, I sat here on this show and talked about how Marlon Mack wasn't going to be a problem for these guys. Way wrong on that. He annihilated them. But anyway, so it was so bad that it just strikes me as being uncharacteristic. Maybe you feel a little too full of yourselves. You don't, regardless of your backs against the wall mantra. You didn't need this game as badly as the Colts did. And

they're a talented football team, especially on the lines. They I mean, god, they all played both lines, and so it was horrendous. But I feel a small amount of confidence that it's just more about being one of those days than some crazy trend about how bad this team is. Amber you know, that was one of my fears. What happens when the defense gets shut down? What I mean right now, the defense has been playing for both of them.

And yes, that's not fully fair to say, because yes they put up some things, you know, as far as moving the ball with Zeke and all that, But in general, I would say defense has been playing for both sides, defense and offense. They've been making the game happen. And yesterday, I mean, it's scary. It's scary the thing, and that's I don't know. I don't know what they're going to be able to do if that happens again, if the defense is not able to help, And that was absolutely surprising,

especially with everything that we've been talking about. And I don't know if Nick made this comment or not at the beginning of the show, but a lot of the comments I've been seeing on Twitter, it's like, oh, you focus on buying hats or like making hats, making shirts or the hot boys. This is the hot boys that gotten there yet? Oh sorry, but feel free. I mean, and you get pumped, you get pumped and all that, but then when something like this happens and you start wondering.

And I'm not saying because yes, you can do things off the field, and that's fine, it's not really going to affect your game. But clearly you don't want to see them walking getting off the boss with hard hats, saying hot boys, and then they get they give this

kind of performance. You know. Marinelli said that they asked him about what do you think about the hot boys stuff, and it was about two or three weeks ago, and he said, well, yeah, if it's if they back it up, Yeah, if they back it up, then I'm fine with it. If if you're gonna, you know, do that stuff and call yourself that as long as you go out there and you put it on the field, and you know, for the most part, I mean, this defense has carried them all year long, and so that that's the thing.

I mean, when when the defense doesn't carry you anymore, then you get that. All I'm saying is my point from the start was my expectations of this team have changed. I think I'm sure y'all's expectations about what they can be. Like, they're gonna probably make it to the playoffs still, but probably probably what were your expectations about what they can But maybe that's maybe that's the part that's a little yeah,

maybe maybe overinflated that a little bit. Yeah, I mean it's like, I think I still think they're gonna make the playoffs, but I just feel like if you go out and put a performance like that on tape, then you're not the type of team that's gonna go win three games. You're okay, So do you see do you

think a similar thing? I know it wasn't as bad, but do you think a similar thing of the Rams today when they were at home and they got beat down like that by the by the Eagles because their starting quarterback in there, right, they got the guy that they should have had in there all along, right, But but I think I think that's kind of the thing when you look at this and that's why to me,

it's it's just I look at the entire season. Yea, And what I know about this team through the entire season except for yesterday, is this defense is really good. They didn't play like that yesterday. Now if they go back next week and Tampa Bay just runs up and down the field scoring points on them, they have no answer for it. Now I'm like, okay, so maybe what I thought of this defense really isn't true. But I know in the NFL there are times when you just

a team hits. You know, the Saints offense is not bad because the Cowboys shut them down. They had a bad week. Now let's see if they get back on it. And seems like by all counts that they did. So I'm just saying I don't put so much stock in that one game. I do think it's a little bit troubling though, and it certainly brings up your radar because now you're like, well, you see one team do it.

Did they expose something that maybe has been there all along that other teams happened out yet Well, I don't know. We'll find out when we see other teams that may face them and see if other teams can run on them in the same way that they ran on them yesterday. The way I see it, it's more of the Dolphins just didn't do enough. And yes it was a bad game by the defense, but the offense is just not helping out. And it's like, but the Dolphins do anything

different yesterday than they've done most of the years. They have, but that's the problem. I get that, But they had They've had a lot of games last They've had a lot of games this season where they've done the exact same thing. They move the ball down the field, they get to the red zone, and they stall out. We've seen that many times. We know there's a problem in the red zone for this team. We know that that

was not different yesterday. The defense was the difference because usually the defense keeps them in games and allows at least until they can get to a point where maybe they get something going and can actually get some points on the board. The defense keeps them in the game. They didn't yesterday. Yeah, I want I want to give credit to Bob Sturnam for this. He does a lot of great work for the athletic I don't want to just cherry pick his stats. But made a fantastic point

in his right up today. And the offense was obviously terrible. I'm not making excuses for that, but the offense was moving the ball in the beginning of the game. You know, I actually thought Scott Lenahan was doing a great job of play calling while the game was still you know, zero zero seven, nothing, etc. Etc. The Colts scored on their first, third, fourth, and fifth possessions of the game,

I believe if I remember that correctly. And yeah, so the offense clearly didn't hold up there under the bargain. They didn't score any points. But that's been the way this team has played all years, that the defense keeps this thing close while the offense gets its act together.

And that just wasn't happening yesterday. Again. I mean, I for all of the different takeaways you can get out of here, the fact that Marlon Mack averaged what was it like five and a half yards per carry and at one point during the game five point one yards per carry, and at one point during the game it was as high as seven eight nine. They just got gashed. And I think it's a testament to the Colt's offensive line.

I mean, we knew quin Quinton Nelson. You know he's people said he's the best guard prospect to come into the NFL draft in recent memory. They'd get their starting center back. Braden Smith handled DeMarcus Lawrence all day. I think those guys were good enough to wash these linebackers out of the game, and nobody has done that to Jalen Smith and Layton vander esh during the last month,

month and a half, and it clearly made a difference yesterday. Yeah, I think I think that was one of the biggest things. You look at the linebackers just today. That was not a typical performance for them, and there were so many times when either they couldn't get off blocks or they were just completely out of position and couldn't make tackles him. So you saw these huge holes in the middle of

the line and nobody there to fill the gap. It's bad when you have a quarterback like Andrew Luck who has carried and can carry a team the way he can when he finishes with one ninety two that he didn't He could have thrown for four hundred if they needed him to. He just didn't need I mean, he was playing Dak Prescott ball like whoop here you go, here's five yards, here's eighteen yards. Break that tackle, all right, and then I'll hit the third and four when I

need to like it. I mean that's that when you have balanced like that, that's how the Cowboys win games. And it was striking yesterday. Yeah, everything was better. I mean we thought it was about fifty fifty, you know in the fans, and I would definitely a lot of Cowboys. I would imagine maybe they were a little ouder. I don't know. I don't know about that, but everything else, the coaches did a better job. I mean Matt Eberflus, I mean, of course, this was a huge game for

him and he goes out there and shut something. That's a defensive coordinator for the Colts. Kidding me, I mean, well, I know that they can't they couldn't score. They let him have, let him be the what player of the week. He was the player of the week for Sunday Night Football. Let me ask, did you think do you buy into the idea that sometimes a guy that's been there and he's seen he certainly knows whatever things can can stop

this offense with Dak and Zeke. He probably knows the things that have given them problems in the past when he was here, and so maybe that gives him an opportunity to be able to go into a game saying, here are the things I know we're gonna do that we'll shut down that office. Yeah, that's why you watch the opponent. You watch games, and you have people that that's their job, and so I don't think that gives Yes, it helps him out, but I don't think that gives

you a great amount of advantage. Season White beat New England Patriots earlier this season, their head coach was a defensive coordinator in New England. I think it does help a little bit more than just saying it it doesn't know, maybe helps a little bit. I think we've seen examples where it certainly things that are not normal happen when you have a guy that has so intimately involved in one team and then the next year he's the head coach or a coordinator of the polit team. I'll tell

you what also helps. And you know you want to call it an excuse or whatever, but when Everflus was the defensive coordinator, here, hen't facing Adam Redman and Connor Williams at guard, and you know you can say it all you want to about, well, the next man up, but that's not the case here. I mean, the next man up is never as good, or you wouldn't be the next man And they can't just keep taking hits to this guard position. And that's what happened again. Who

a Field goes down with an eye injury? You know it just you've already got Zach Martin out of the game and it was bad. I mean, Redman did not look like he held up well at all. Okay, so let's let's let's go down that path a little bit. I want each person to tell me, do you think that now maybe the Cowboys have hit a hit a sit point in the season where what's happening on the offensive line has really caught up to him and there is no answer for it because you can't just go

out and get better players at this point. Injuries have caught up to them and that's going to be a problem for them going forward. Well, yes, they have caught up to him, and this whole rusting. You know, Zach Martin, if he can play, he needs to play. This is the most winnable game you've got on the schedule right here. If you don't win this game and you're not in the playoffs. You know, you've got to win. This is it.

This is your your game right here. So he needs to play if he can play, I mean, if if that's the issue, he needs to come back and this is no rusting period anymore. It gets time to play. No, But that's I mean, and you know, and that's things changed so much in the aftermath of these games, and it was ugly, don't get me wrong. But I don't know this for sure, but I feel like Zach Martin probably could have gutted through that yesterday if he wanted to.

Not not that if he wanted to, but if they had to, you know, if they had to have that, if they were you know, five hundred and it's winner, don't make the playoffs. I feel like maybe he could have got it through that, but they didn't have to do that. He gets an extra week, and I feel much more confident that he'll be able to play against the Bucks because of that Suafilo, for you know, from all the reports is gross, nasty eye injury. It sounded

like it really really hurt. But the report's coming out this morning or that he should be all right. So yeah, I mean, obviously they've dealt with a ton of injuries on this thing. I think they can get themselves geared up for this game, and that's part of the nice thing about having this cushion is you know they can hopefully get Martin back for this game. I think I don't think Suaphilo will have to miss it, so they

can weather this. And as much as you want to overreact to an ugly loss, it doesn't change that they should be in a better spot playing the Bucks. You know what sucks is that going to training camp and heading into training camp, I really thought this offensive line was looking pretty good. I thought they had done their homework and brought in some guys to help in case Tyren Smith went out or whatever. So I'm like, man,

I'm excited. I'm excited for this, and I'm glad they finally were able to take you know, prevent things, or you know, get backed themselves up with something. And now look at this, like everybody on the old line basically has suffered something except for Joe Looney. He's the only one. And then I'll still play he hasn't, but he didn't. He have something that he dealt with, like nothing major, but he up, but okay, Lyle penalties. Yeah, he hasn't played.

He hasn't played, Yeah, right, yeah. So it's like a mix of different things that just have happened, and they've been hanging onto that. And you know, I think there's a rap song that says, if it ain't one thing, it's another left another. I think that's too good thing, go ahead, compound word. It's a kind of fantastic example of life in the NFL. I mean, what you know, this, this Dallas line was the talk of the league for so many years. They were so good, it was so effortless.

What's Travis Frederick's long term future? Do you need to spend draft capital or free agent capital at tackle? Like it's the I wonder about that. You know, I'm not trying to end Tyron Smith or Lyle Collins's career. I think they're both good players, but it's certainly something you should have your mind on. And then you look across the line at Indie. Andrew Luck got murdered for most

of his first four years in the league. And now you're like, oh my god, these guys are great and they're young, and they're gonna Having watched that game, and knowing what I know about their roster, I expect them to be an AFC contender for years to come based on that line though what you just started. And they know, of course that doesn't of course that doesn't mean anything, but did you get two years frown? They've got the

foundation to have a really great team. But well, and meanwhile, like you're sitting here with the Cowboys like you had the foundation two sixteen, and and it's it's not Jackguards at the Foundation last year. It ain't it ain't get on, but it certainly doesn't look great. And it's yeah, it's a it is it not for long league, that's for sure. All right, let's take our first break. Let's come back, and we're going to dive a little deeper into some

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So in the meantime, though, let's talk a little bit more about this game, a little more in depth about this game. Um, when you look at the way that the Cowboys offense, really offense and defense played yesterday, they get behind and I don't know. You guys can tell me if I'm wrong. I don't think by the time they got to seventeen nothing that was the biggest deficit that they've played from this season, not quite okay, was

they were down eighteen in Seattle? Okay, got it? It seems to me, Well, it doesn't just seem to me, it's very apparent that this is not a team that has what it takes to play from behind because of the way it's constituted. Constitute on playing good defense, running the ball. The passing game is probably the weakest of

those three things. Is that a concern for you guys as you go into the playoffs when you think about this team and how they would perform against some of those better teams in the NFL, that playing from behind doesn't seem to be a strength for them. That's a that's a concern. You look at the five game winning streak, there was three games in that that they didn't They weren't trailing at all. One of them Washington, they were just trailing just for like one drive and then they

took the lead. So yeah, this this winning streak was built on the fact that they had a lead early and they play they play well to that when they're down like they were in Carolina and Seattle and where else. Washington, you know, they didn't really Houston. They didn't really Houston. They did kind of come back for him, but Washington,

they didn't those three games out there. Yeah, they just don't have an explosive offense like that, and we've seen We've seen a little bit of that against the Redskins and Eagles at home, but for the most part, there's not a quick strike offense. That probably goes back to the conversation about expectation, which is probably why this game doesn't do a lot to change my opinion, because this

is more than likely a playoff team. They're a good team, a team that has improved, but the deficiencies that this team has, I don't think I ever talked myself into thinking this team could win three or four in a row against playoff caliber teams. I just their offense is too inconsistent. Their defense is good but doesn't generate like the type of takeaway as it takes to win those

types of games. And so yeah, it's certainly trouble. I mean, you know, somebody somebody on Twitter this morning said to me, He's like, Wowoa, y'all been telling us for a month that the offense is fixed. Clearly not. I was like, who's did that? Yeah, Like, who have you been listening to? Because this offense wasn't it was better and and Amari Cooper deserves a ton of credit for that. Zeke has been balling out. But like, they don't score enough points.

I mean they were averaging what like twenty two points per game during the win streak. I think bogged out in the red zone. It's been a trend all year, and we have seen that this team can beat anybody on their day. The Saints game comes to mind, but I just don't know that they're consistent enough to do

that regularly against good teams. I've changed my tune a little bit on what I think about the Lenahan Dak situation, and a lot of fans all they care about was the Cowboys, and they care about and they need a new offensive coordinator. I think Lenahan needs a new quarterback. And I don't mean with the Cowboys. I think Lenahan and the Dak I don't think is a great pairing anymore. And I just noticed that a few times in the

game he's calling plays that that should be there. But Dak's strength is not just putting the ball anywhere he wants, you know that, Like that play where they on third and one, where Jarwin is streaking down the field, That that's a perfectly schemed play, just like Ola Wally, just like Cole Beasley, just like the Noah Brown play around the goal line. He's calling plays that are schemed well, but you need a better quarterback and more accurate quarterback

to make that throw. And that's not what Dak's strength really. But all those that you just pointed out, I don't think all of those were on Dak. Those were also some of the people that should have caught the ball. I mean the old Wally play that was kissed the ball, the balls there. Yeah, I just I don't know. It was a bad throw by Dak. To me, it wasn't. I completely agree with that. It wasn't. It wasn't a

good throw. But I've seen the replay enough times like it was in between his hands and then he bobbled it before the defender even got there. Right, that's not a great throw, which I agree. I think I heard you say that in the press box yesterday. Is like Lenahan seems like he's calling plays for a Breeze or a Stafford more often than not, like guys who just have a different skill set than Deck does. And I think in a different set he could be I get that.

I guess my point still is, though, I think that some of those plays you did you point out, I think maybe it's the caliber of the receivers that he's throwing to, Like that that throw to Jarlin, Yeah it wasn't a perfect throw, but if you had a higher quality tight end, yeah, he probably makes that catch, right, And so that's my point, Like, I just think that what they've given him outside of a mark is a bunch of is a bunch of very average guys that may not be able to make some of those more

difficult catches. I don't I agree with you, But again, I mean you could still perhaps all a better play for that quarterback in that situation. I mean, you know, Jamizola walle jamaez excuse me, jamaezo. While I should he should have caught that. But are we overthinking it maybe a little bit here. You don't even throw to him exactly because maybe he's a blocker not a kid. Uh, and and the same thing. Should Blake jar Wind have caught it? Yes? Was he open? Yes? I can't fault

the play call, But did it have to be? Did that have to be the call? Wasn't it was third and short, wasn't it? Yeah? It was one? It was third and one. So again I don't I mean, I get it again. Well, we can talk about this until we all are blue in the face, but it's the age old like, well, they know we're gonna run, and so we shouldn't run. And maybe they shouldn't have because Zach Martin wasn't in there. I don't know, but some

of these calls seem a little over complicated. But let me ask you this because because thinking of the kind of things we've talked about on this show where we're like, all right, you know, and Nick, this is one of your big things. If you get down a certain situation and you know it's two downs, didn't that should affect your play call? If in this instance they felt like, Okay,

we know we're gonna go for it on fourth. We feel fairly certain that our running back in our offensive line can pick up a yard if it gets to fourth and one. Let's try something a little different, something a little bit creative, and the play actually gave you a chance. You guys just couldn't catch the ball. Then is it hard to Is it hard to fault? Yes, the play call. It's the same exact thing with the

Atlanta game. Like I can't sit here and murder Scott Linehan for Cole Beasley not catching an open touchdown and same thing no no or Dak not getting which for all the Dak haters, I said this yesterday and people thought I was hating on Dak or the offensive line. Andrew Luck did the same thing. They schemed t Y Hilton across the end zone and it was it was such an easy catch and Luck missed the throw because there was a guy in his face. Same thing that

happened to Dak with Noah Brown. Pressure affects quarterbacks. That's why you pay those guys. Where was I going with that? I don't know, But I can't kill these play calls. But at the same time, maybe this is the Madden player in me and grew up playing video games. If it's third and one and you're right, like, am I crazy to think that you could just sneak it twice in a row? Sneak didn't work. Great, We're gonna do it again because our quarterback is six two two third.

Maybe maybe that's just too simplistic and I'm dummy, who's just a third and long one? I think I've just created this. It's Zeke to sneak, That's what it is. You give it third and one, you give it a Zeke, So on fourth and inches you can sneak it and that's not going to be stopped. Now they did on fourth and one try Zeke went negative yard worth than one fourth and one. But but my point, my point is that was a situation where we all say, give Zeke the ball, run the ball. They did it, and

it was negative yardage and a fumble. They take way too much time with some of these runs where we're you know, the guy's pulling here and Zeke has to run, And I mean, just do you think that in there? Do you think that part of because and let me let me preface this saying, I know, earlier in the season this has been an ongoing trend, and earlier in the season you didn't have the same level of concerns

you may have now with the offensive line. But do you think that as this season goes on the offensive line. You're sustaining injuries, your guys aren't playing great. You think maybe that's affecting why they're making the decisions that they're making in these short yardist situations to maybe not run the ball on goal line versus trying to throw the ball because they just don't necessarily trust the offensive line. It's gonna it's gonna not allow the defensive front to

get penetrated. You know, it's never really been a great third and one offensive line, even when you had Frederick Martin and tiring back in twenty fifteen. I believe they were the worst in the league. I know you always said Leary was the one that made that better, and then getting rid of him, you weren't. Yeah, Sophilo has helped with that. Connor you know, I mean Connor Williams

and Redman. Yeah, that was not a good That was not a good line to be now, to be fair, I think that was the play a field poked in the eye. Maybe that was the problem he couldn't see, you didn't see it was. I mean, which I think call hands to the face right there, because believe me, that crew was calling everything else. I have never seen any life. Here's two calls I've never seen this year ever, both on the LP Lattice or number one snapping fraction

does that happen? Fraction? And Washington holding on the snapper. He's not trying to hold. What could he be holding? And he runs, Yeah, he's not holding. Nobody can hit the snapper. Just fills out there that don't know the ruld. You can't hit the snapper. So it's not like he's trying like somebody is coming at him and he's trying to keep them from getting to his kicker, Like he how does he hold he's going down to make a tackle. How does he hold? Nicky didn't think he helped. I

just don't get Mickey doesn't. I don't get cowboys have ever committed a penalty in his life. Maybe that's I don't think I've ever seen a long snapper get a holding. You know, Dave might might ever, like you might occasionally say, oh that was a bad call, it was a hold, but you never say it up in the press box because number one, Mickey won't allow it. Me and Derek

probably don't allow it either. And man, but I mean the officiating yesterday was terrible, and I'll give you two from the The cult should be mad about it as well. I mean, t Y Hilton taunting, are you kidding me? And they had a block in the back, which just because Byron Jones turned around doesn't mean it's a block in the back. It's really bad calls in that game. This is this is this is a weekly refrain now that every week you watch games and you say what

was wrong with the officiator Smith. It's at a point where they figured out on both sides. Smith got to figure out how to block because what he's been doing for years grabbing a guy like this and throwing him to the ground, like that's not working anymore, I guess because that is now called a hold. I'll say this is not a shot at Mickey, and it's not a shot at either of y'all, because it's happened in every

NFL press box I've ever gone into. But like when I was coming up in college and high school, like getting my start, it was drilled into me by like my professors and my advisors, is like you shut the hell up in the press box, like it is a professional. They've never been the working It was drilled into me my whole college careers, Like you don't say s like you are there to cover a game, you are not there to blah blah blah blah blah. So I yeah, I don't talk in press boxes, at least not at

allowed volume. And so I take this job, and I'm like, this is the big leagues, this is you really got to be professional. My god, every press spot it's washed everywhere. It's all of them, and it's our people and it's the opposing like it's a free for all and it's ridiculous.

But anyway, sometimes I actually wait, I'm waiting to see is there're gonna actually be some back and forth talk, because it gets going and then before you know, people are saying stuff to each other like Philly is the worst is yeah, Philly's And like you know, Nickel offers some commentary back, and so Nick loves to just kind of throw something out there just so everybody around can hear that I'm talking to you, but I'm not gonna

see it directly to you. The implier I never I never would have dreamed as a young WI Maybe yes, facts I'm trying to remember. I can't think of a specific example, but like Nike will just loudly be like, hey, everybody get that at their issues, Derek. If anybody, if anybody is doing anything annoying in the press box, you hate it. Like if someone's phone rings or something, or someone says a stupid joke yesterday, but it looks like a mack truck out there, You're like, yeah, that's funny. No,

I don't. I don't say anything. I just kind of look like that. Seriously, I could have never dreamed as a young, like teenage sportswriter that, like, NFL press boxes are some of the least professional environments I've ever been in in my life. You got that right, anyway. Uh, the refs suck. The ref's always suck, and I just don't have time to care. I really don't like I not this again, not a shot at y'all. I hate even talking about it. It happens in every game. It

happens to both teams. If you think there's some type of bias, I don't know what to tell you in fact that it's not gonna change, Like, yeah, it's just the faster and the fact these guys get. The harder it is to call an NFL game and to be it, and we get the benefit of seeing it up high, we get the benefit of seeing slow motion replay. When you're watching it in real motion in real time, you

gotta make a split second decision. I don't want to kill the guys like that and be like, oh wow, they're horrible, but it's just officiating as hard and you're not gonna get them all right, And we're seeing the result of that. And also, you know, one of the things that I do in every game, and I've done for like the last ten years. As I write that article about five plays, don't don't forget about these five plays. And a lot of the times those plays are some

kind of penalty. It's a penalty that changed things. And one of an example of them in the game and the right before the halftime, they have a three third down the culture it's seven to nothing and the Cowboys make a stop. They finally make a stop and the punt team is about is going onto the field and right as they're doing that, that's when the official throws the flag on Anthony Brown yea for holding on a play that happened before the past. They talked about it

because the past was deflected. So we can't call pass interference, so it was holding before the throw. So if it was holding before the throw, then the throw was made and then it's incomplete and the whistle blows and then you throw the flag. Then that's clearly a sideline call that was called from the cold sideline. And actually it was the cowboy sideline and the guy through it from the cowboy sideline. So I don't know, like that changed everything.

They got the first down, they drove down to get a field goal, and that changed the momentum of the half. And so you just look at calls like that and go wow. I mean, they really do affect the games. I mean, so these officials, and I don't call them crooks like other people do, but I mean they do. There's no doubt they affect the game. That's of course they do, and they affect it for both teams. I mean, that's really My point is that I get that at the end of the day, it's a wash. There's no

point really arguing it. But when you're creating calls off things off that you think that you see on LP holding on it when that's not his job as to hold. He doesn't want to hold. It's why calling that I was big two because that put it from the six yard line to the sixteen. You can be a little bit more aggressive at the sixteen than you are going to be at the six. Still, of course, the way they were running the ball, they would have got it. You put them on the one. I mean, it doesn't

really matter. The kicker was better than the Cowboys kicker. Best kicker ever. Yeah, first ballot Hall of Famer. No, Well, has there ever been a kicker has been for No, he should be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Definitely done it in a long time and with some real consistence. That's one of my hot, hottest NFL takes. Adam Vantary, first ballot Hall of Famer. Yeah, all right, let's take our final break. Let's co back, let's get some questions. I know we got Joe on the line. We'll get

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I appreciate you taking my call, ladies and gentlemen, thank you, thank you. I appreciate you guys taking my call. Listen, I have a couple of things and I'm trying to get him in. Nick, that was some very um I say, observing UM thoughts for you to actually say that Lenahan needs a different quarterback. Um, that's that's pretty astute of you. I'm gonna say this, though, I believe that Lenahan needs

to go. Regardless of what's happened, regardless of what the turnaround is, he shows he shows a lack of inconsistency within play calling, not just the cowboys, you know, necessarily going through in in and finishing plays and actually putting things in completing completing, um, you know your your twenty, your inside to twenty, your red zone plays. All of these things seem to they compile, and they and they build up and they build up, but they all come

back to Lenahan and the inconsistencies. For me, they all come back to the inconsistencies. He goes from one game to the next looking looking totally different as a play caller. I mean, we didn't run one screen yesterday, not one. I don't even know that one was given to the wide receivers. Another thing was the idea that I that

we should play with the line a little bit. And I'm thinking of Fleming moving to the right, I'm thinking of Lyal moving back to guard, and I'm thinking of sure Philo moving inside to where to where Zach is? I'm ok, you know, well, I mean is that it? I appreciate, we appreciate it. Thanks. You know. There's a couple of things about that this is the tough balance as an offensive coordinator. And I agree with you. I don't think Lennahan, I don't think this is a good

good to fit anymore for him. For Dak, I don't think this is the case. He remember he was here for Tony and it worked pretty pretty well. Inconsistent, he said, I think you said his lack he lacks inconsistency, which I think you meant to say lacks consistency. But as a play caller, you kind of want to be inconsistent. That's you don't have a bread and butter play. This isn't Denzel Washington with remember the Titans saying I got six plays, Okay, This isn't like that. They don't have

something where they just run over people. They have to trick it up because they're not as good as some of the defenses they play, especially when they have an offensive line like that. So I think you do want to balance being doing things that that you're good at also tricking it up a little bit. Obviously it did not work yesterday. Yeah, I mean I think I said

that a couple a week or two ago. Is like, you know, unless this team wins the super Bowl or gets damned close, I really can't imagine that no changes are going to take place. But that's there's always changes. Yeah, But I mean, Lenahan absolutely like that job is up for consideration as far as I'm concerned. If this team and unless some crazy happens. Basically. I mean if they lose in the first or second round of the playoffs and they scored nineteen points in doing so, that's absolutely

something that I would think would happen. Um. But again like and and moving the offensive line, like it's not time for that, Like we know what this team's deficiencies are, and now is not the time to try to make sweeping changes, you know, like the the bye week is one thing eight freaking weeks ago, and it you your two games away from a potential playoff push, and that's it's just not something that I concerned myself with at this moment in time. That doesn't mean I don't want

to talk about it. It's just we are what we are, you know, Like the k is ninety five percent baked at this point. Like what are you gonna drastically change? Yeah? You know. The one thing I will say, Nick though, about the inconsistency m I actually I get his point because there are and what he was was I thought what I was. What I thought he was referring to is when you see something that they do successfully one week that you say, hey, maybe i'd incorporate that more

into your offense. In future weeks, and we've seen that throughout this year screen work. They didn't go back to it, like you said, this last game, you get they did ran a few scraps. They definitely did, but I guess that would gain My point was you can look at earlier this season when they'd have a game when they would get Tavan involved and then the next game nothing. Yeah, there would be games earlier this season where Dak would run the ball well and then the next game nothing.

It's like it's that kind of thing where you see something, but that's what I'm saying. You see some things that are working well, and then all of a sudden, the next week, it's like, no, we can't do that because maybe they're expecting it, maybe they decide not to do it, maybe forgets. I don't know. Dak running the ball on purpose in the last like month, not really, Yeah, not really. There's a little bit. They'll do it, probably once or twice a game, and usually they save it for those

critical moments of the game. You have a touchdown on one and so which game I'm sorry, I'm this is the one where he ran up the middle and Dell for the ends Atlanta. I don't remember it was Atlanta right in front of us Atlanta. But but my point, I think that's what he was more getting to is just that inconsistency of not sticking with things that actually things that actually work, you just kind of forget to use them in the next game. No, I agree, I

agree with most of what the callers saying. I just like you are trying to be somewhat inconsistent. If you had things, I think that he thought they could just run all the time, but I don't know if they really have that is are we getting close to the rant here? This is a well it's coming about this? You do that, it's a cliche. This this team doesn't have an identity. I mean on offense, they don't have an offensive identity. They do not they have they have

they do well, no, they haven't. They know what they want to do, they just can't do it. And the thing is even the thing that they that they want to do, the thing that you would think is their identity running the ball in so many moments when you think, okay, this is when you should run the ball, they're like, man, they don't trust that's not really your identity. Then they

don't trust them and I guarantee you. You know, we'll ask somebody will ask got let a hand about it on Thursday and he'll he'll he'll slyly say something like, well, I mean, you saw what happened when we ran on fourth and one, didn't you. That'll be his back maybe shut up, which hey whatever before before you do that. Real, I'm gonna be nice. This is just this is something I've had on my mind, and I just I want to be nice and say I really appreciate Jason Garrett.

I thought it was cool. I want to know the exact situation. I'm sorry, fourth quarter, fourth and twelve from the Indie twenty six. You're down twenty three to nothing with four minutes to play, and he went for it. And I appreciate that because ninety eight percent of people would have kicked the field goal to keep the goose egg off their resume. And I'm with you on that. I try to win the game. I would have kicked it.

I would have kicked it, and if I would, I would have sit there and I would kicked the field goal. And if I made it, or even if I missed it, I want someone to ask me, why did you kick the field goal, and I said, because I have a kicker that I wanted to see if he could make a forty yard field goal, that's what I wanted to

see and nobody, nobody would have cared. No would have been like, oh, it's actually pretty good, that's a decent rebuttal, I mean, that's what I want to see, if Brett Maher can make a field But I mean because the last time he kicked it right into someone's armpit. If he misses that or you're gonna cut him maybe like a gal again. If Maher misses a forty yard field goal against the Colts, I don't think they would have to bring who. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know exactly.

I know we already had that conversation, and I just I don't trust that the guy that's sitting on his couch in mid December is better than Brett Maher. If you could say that. You could say that if you want, but I think everybody in that room, including yourself, if you were the media sitting on the other side, would have been like ry buying that. They would have been like you were trying to keep from getting blanks, and so be it. If that's what you're doing. But who cares?

What if he said I don't want to get shut out, that's fine, But I think it would have been disingenuous him to say I'm trying to see if my kicker can make a forty yard field goal. I think it's more he didn't want to get blanked, And for me personally,

I kind of agree with Dave. The only thing you can come back with that is say you was probably gonna still need a field goal as well, right, you were gonna need probably two touchdowns with a two point conversion and then in a field goal in order to Did you see the celebration, I mean yeah, yeah, right, I mean like that that that's a big deal. To that, it's a big deal. Yea. They were in the they were in their locker room like, oh yeah, it's a huge deal to kill shut out. So why why not

make a field goal then? Because it's it's weak and you know you're gonna lose. Like I took LSU to task the same thing. They kicked a field goal down twenty nine to nothing against Alabama, and it was I thought it was weak. I think it's it's well, at least we didn't get shut out if you're saying it's a huge thing for the Colts defense, but yet you you want you want them to have that make a

field goal. I try to win the game, well, and kicking a field goal is not trying to win the game in that situation in my opinion, and so much of and again like literally that's it's it's it's self preservation and it's ego padding, like, well, at least we didn't get shut out. You you also didn't win the game. And so many decisions that coaches make is about that. It's about like what can I easily defend or what makes my ego feel better at the end of the day.

And Jason Garrett passed it up, and I'll give him credit for that. I liked the decision to do that. In a hopeless situation, I would kick field goal because, like you just said, it's hopeless. Anyways, you're not winning the game with a touchdown and all that stuff. Anyways, I would have kicked the field goal. And then if you're not, why were you calling timeouts for the last three minutes anyways? Well, I did not like that. I would not have done so just get your team off

the field. But I do think you have an issue with with your your kicker though. I mean, and and this this whole thing about for who, that's not the point. The point isn't who's going to come in. The point is that it's not about who's better. Okay, it's not that who's better. It's about to use your kicker. Have enough confidence? Is he is he gonna make a kick? Is he confident to make a kick? Yeah? You can make a sixty two yard or all day and no pressure.

There's an absolutely no pressure on you for sixty two yarder. And I said this in pre game when he was kicking. I was like, I want to see if you can make this one right here, forty seven yards? Make this one? And what was the what was the field goal attempt that was blocked? Forty five something like that. So I mean,

that's that's the type of kick. And when it looks like he kicked it low, yeah, So I think it's important to see what kind of in it because if he if he misses that kick, I think that you're you're stuck with him. You're stuck with him, there's no change, And I think you have bigger problems seven yard right now, that's actually not true. That's just not true. For kickers. There's there's fifteen that are out there that have kicked

it more than him, and you could sign one. You're not stuck with him because he doesn't need to learn the offense. Okay, but what guarantees you those other guys are going to give you something better? Exactly then guarantees me nothing. I'm just saying you need to get a guy with some you know. We started the show and as I sit here, I think, and the more I think, that's not always a good thing, because the more I think over here, the more of set I get. And

I was calm this morning. I was calm, and now I'm not last week, and it's taking a lot throughout the whole season. Beginning of the season, I've been like when one leg out of hanging out of the train and the other one in just waiting, and am I jumping out? Am I sticking with them? Last week, after five wins, I've decided to put my leg back in and said, you know what I'm writing, I'm writing alone the whole way. When you start getting comfortable, you get

slapped in the face. And that's what happened last night. And the more I look at this offense and the things that they've done, there's no way they're gonna be able to fix this problem by the end of the season. Even if they make it to the playoffs, I don't think they're gonna get I mean, everything's possible, but as of right now and then consistency of the whole thing, it's gonna be very, very hard to even make it

past one playoff game. And when you look at it, you talk about calling him the play calling, and you talk about him not being necessarily a good fit with Dak, and it's true. There's so many different different aspects of this whole thing that plays together, the play calling, him not being able to position his players at the best position as possible, not calling the right things that kind of fits into Dak's abilities. That that's a problem. There

another thing freak Dak. You talk about the wide receivers not being able to catch some of those passes, and it's true, But how much more do you need to change in order to make it DA friendly or like

cater to Dak. You know, you got a Zekiel Elia basically carrying the whole team and it and it really upsets me when you look at the possible things and that you have as far as the defense, he as they play horrible last night, but in general what you got going on the whole defense Zeke and Mary Cooper and just seeing time again being wasted, because it hurts me when I see like freaking Tony Romeo, Jason Witten gone des Brian and you play and you lose players

like that without really make laden, you know, making something out of it. You know what I'm trying to say. I guess, but you have nothing to show for it is what you're saying. I'm saying it's like just wasting the the player or the time, the time, the career. Yes, yeah, yeah,

so you you have you have something here. And it's a combination of the whole play call and dad not and I love I really like Dak and I really want him to succeed because I think he has all many great qualities about him and we've seen some throws that he can make, so you know, it's there, it just needs to be developed. And Kellen Moore is not really helping out Scotland, and Han is not helping out with the whole the whole play calling because as a

great coach. I really believe you have the ability to look at what you got and I'm like, okay, how can I make it work for you? That doesn't mean changing every single guy in the offense. You're not gonna bring a bunch of elite players in the whole offense. You can't. There's no way you can do that. You got see, he's freaking elite. He can do so many things. Now, you got Amory Cooper who has shown what he can do.

You got talent in Michael Gallup who is still struggling a little bit, but you see a lot of potential there. And then you got the guys in the old line who you have a bunch of old pro guys in there. But you did, yeah, yeah, you did. You did in a way. But I still think you're capable of doing certain things. Even with the hit that you've received in the old line. You can still move the ball. And we've seen it in the past weeks, those five winning games,

and it wasn't pretty yet. But what do they need to do? I mean, I hear that you're you're rant, you know, like venting here and you can't do anything on this point. So okay, But here's the thing about here. There's two things you can do. Because you said this hurts me, it gets me so upset, you can, right, because that's one thing you can do. You shouldn't let the Cowboys hurt you or get you upset because that's

what they do. That's what this team does. And I know I understand what you're saying is what fans are feeling right now. They're upset, they're hurt, and that's that's what happens. And that's what's so frustrating about this team is this minute you think they're one thing, they're really not.

But let's also be clear, like all that stuff you just talked about offensively, that ain't different that game that they want against the playoff team that they actually beat, which is the New Orleans Saints, the offense was pretty bad in that game too. Yeah, they scored more points, but they were bad and again played a great game that game. If this team is going to do anything in the playoffs, it's gonna be because they have an

amazing defensive run. That's what we know. Okay, it's right, but you cannot rely on your defense every single time, and it happened last weeks, not true, not true. That's my point. In the playoffs. In the playoffs, there are teams we have seen that model work and take a team to the super Bowl. We've seen an amazing defensive run where an offense kind of made plays where they needed to here and there, but it was all about

the defense. We've seen that with the offense scoring what scoring something at least maybe who knows, I know one thing. The year of Baltimore Ravens won. That offense did nothing. They did absolutely not. The defense was scoring. Same thing with that Tampa Bay team. The defense was scoring, it wasn't the offense. So my point is we've seen that

model work. That's not That's not the point. I think what we saw yesterday and the reason why it's troublesome for everybody is because the defense which we are relying on, that has been consistent all season, all of a sudden fell off and fell off in a mighty way. They were getting as from the beginning of the game all the way to the end. That's the part that's troublesome.

If they can get that fixed, and if that was just a one game anomaly, great, they still have an opportunity with everything in front of them if they can have a great defensive run to be able to put themselves in position. But that's a mighty tall order to ask because the offense ain't gonna give them a whole lot of support. And that's what we've seen all season, and that I mean again, I'll bring it all full circle. Like I feel like a Homer for saying this, Like

I don't. I don't feel that much different about this team than I did yesterday before kickoff. I picked them to win. I was wrong, but I certainly did not feel good about that game, and anybody that did is delusional in my opinion. I mean, with what they had at stake and what they brought to the table, it was never going to be an easy game. It is disconcerting the way the defense just gave up chunks, but at the same time, they were within their median for

scoring twenty three points. Twenty three points should win you play your games in the NFL. But you're right, I mean, this offense as it is is not impressive, and if the defense isn't carrying, they're into the load, right, They're not going far in the playoffs at all. That's exactly right. Um, But I'm probably, but we knew that probably. But there's a ton of problems with this team, Like the kicker is unreliable, the red zone offense sucks, the defense doesn't

get enough takeaways. They're not changed. I guess, I guess the way that I feel now. You just gotta make the best you may do the best you can two more games, get into the playoffs, and hope that you can catch that strong run of form like you did these last six weeks. You get on your knees and you pray at night, God let the right Like that's really what you got. You catch transform a season at the midpoint, we saw it. I mean you, but but

it's Christmas. Like, you're not drastically just gonna You're not gonna be this drastically different team from now until when your season's over. You're just not. I just don't like. And again, the way I see it is just you hope that when one, let's say, your right hand side is struggling, you're left man is gonna be able to

help you out. Meanwhile, your right hand gets better. But seeing that this year yet, I don't know that there's been a game where I feel like the offense carried more of a load than the defense, like the defensive struggles. That's what Okay, exactly the defense has been carrying this whole team. But that's what I'm saying. Example last night, I'm not saying that's gonna repeat itself because obviously that's

very rare to happen where you get zero points. But in cases like that, that's when you hope you can at least rely a little bit like freaking score something at least as far as your offense, even if you get nice Well, yeah, so far it didn't happen yesterday. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you, guys, Jonas. We're back tomorrow. We're gonna get a big picture look around the NFL. What's happening around the NFL, where the Cowboys sitting in the NFC East, and where the playoffs, how the playoffs

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