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edition of The Break. I am Derek Eagleton and we're here live in the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. It feels like it's been a little while, two weeks, feels like an eternity in the offseason. But happy to have the crew back here. We're talking Cowboys football here

with you guys for an hour. It's super Bowl week, so at some point in this show we're gonna nail everybody down on Super Bowl predictions and see what these guys think is going to happen Sunday for Super Bowl Sunday, and then we'll probably get into I know, we will get into some desk talk. I think that's gonna be interesting. Dave had a little tweet yesterday that kind of sparked my interest a little bit. So we're gonna talk a little bit about Dez Bryant, and we'll start in the show.

It's some here at the beginning, talking a little bit about some coaching changes that have happened. How's everybody doing today, doing great? Derek good? Good? Great. I saw Dave's tweet and I decided to hold myself and save it for the show. Oh wow, it, But I'm like, I'll just wait till tomorrow we go getting into this. We're gonna get into this. We're not gonna get into it right now because we've got a couple of things we need to hit first, but we're definitely gonna get into this.

I want to talk about this because me and Nick has some interesting conversations too. I think Nick has some interesting opinions there on Dez Bryant. So not not that everybody in the in the whole country that's a Cowboys fan or otherwise doesn't have an opinion. There's a lot of people talking right now about Dez Bryant. Good point. We'll jump into that conversation. Before we do that, though, catch me up on some news around the coaches. We've

heard some reports. Now, of course, we got to make it clear the Cowboys have not made an official statement on any of the coaching changes UM inspecting them to do that sometime around May. Yeah. I think at some point they'll get around to that and say it's a good good time to maybe introduce everybody. But I mean, if it just history serves correct, they typically like to do it as one big thing, right, they make one big kind of introduction, but what tell me about the

last okay that they do. But that's dumb, okay, so that's not you're not announcing anything. Yeah, I mean, well that's just I don't know why they do that. You probably it's probably should be called an introduction. Yeah, not an announcement, it's an introduct Please don't send a press release to say that they they've signed or they've added Paul Alexander who's had probably is no longer hear type thing, right, Yeah, I don't know. It'll be an introduction at some point

where they'll introduce to the media. But officially, here are coachings, our coach, but our listeners know what's going on. They follow. So the latest stuff is just that they've UM unofficially officially announced that men Bloom will be the linebackers coach. It sounds like Keith o quinn will be the special

team's coach. Yeah, that leaves one unbelievable coach to coach Jason Witten to be the eighth tight end coach for Jason Witten, I was joking around, I guess yesterday when they announced, So, I mean, that's those are the final two hires that we don't have a pretty good idea of. I mean, Jerry Jones said that they have an agreement with Kellen Moore in place, but he wouldn't say what your guests is as good as mine what it could

be if it's not quarterbacks coach. Um. Yeah, So realistically, there's one vacancy left on the staff, which is tight ends. And isn't it clear Jason that you really don't are the coach and you don't really need a coach? I am about to say. I was joking yesterday. I was like, would anybody even like bat and eyelid if they just were like, we're just gonna have Jason Witten player coach. We're gonna have him be the player coach. Does it happened in the NFL. I don't know. I'm sure that

happened back in the day. I don't remember anybody other than Pete Rose ever being a player coach Bill Russell tattoo yeah, Bill Russell. Yeh um, you say tattoo Yeah, Dallas sidekicks great tattoo player coach. Okay, that was like he lost me with tattoo. I had no idea, but yeah, okay, now you now I'm back with MLS. I would like if they were just like, yeah, Jason Witten is gonna be tight end one end coach, and he's gonna teach Hannah and Swim and whoever else, Enrico and whoever else

is here. Uh, and that'll just be it. You know, the coaching's gonna go do what I do. Yeah, And I would just be like, just do what I do. I would just be like, yeah, that's fine. I mean, okay, like who are they gonna bring in? I mean, who's who they bringing in that You're just like, well, this is this is the authority on tight ends right here.

I mean, that's more of an authority than Jason Witten probably be some Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't care at all if Jason Witten was the player coach that doesn't need to have that would be interestless. It does not, No, it does not. I'm sure they will hire a tight ends, absolutely something. There'll be somebody in this day's up till midnight and gets here at five am and cuts up tape and runs the practice. That should not He doesn't have to do that. That should not be Jason. What

do you guys think about those hires though? How do you feel about those hires one way or the other? Happy for Keith O'Quinn. I think he's definitely paid his dues and he's you know, he's done a lot of things. I mean, when you think about what makes Will McClay good as Miltwill was a coach, and he was a coach that now is into the player personnel role that understands what coaches need. And I think Keith O'Quinn, you know,

he was kind of the other way around. He was in the scouting department for a while and now he's been a coach and so you know, he's been bounced around different positions, so it's a good opportunity for him, and I guess the same could kind of be said about Ben Bloom. Right, he's put in his dudes and been here. Why quite a while. He's been in. He's put in quite a bit of dudes in a variety of places. I mean, I think he was he's done. He's done a little bit of special teams. He was

like special projects. He's a defensive end coach. A couple of years ago he was Rob Ryan's the one that brought him here. Right, Yeah, yes, so he's been I mean, he's been putting in So what's what's that seven years. I won't quote everything Rob Bryan said because he wasn't always flattering towards Ben Bloom, but he you know, but he said, there are smarter people in the world. They just work at NASA. That's what That's what he said

about Ben Bloom. Super smart guy. Think took toughs. Uh. He had kind of a six lags roller coaster of a coaching. I mean there was some time when it didn't look like he was even going to be on the staff, and there were other times where it looked like he was the rising star of the staff. Yeah, he was the young guy that you expected to but into the top at something. I didn't expect him to be on the staff this next year. I don't know

if he did. And now he's a position coach for the first time, so, you know, great opportunity for he's he's worked with linebackers before, but it was in a three fourth scheme. His buyer will tell you that they went to two linebackers made it the Pro Bowl that year. He worked as an assistant. I don't know if he was helping DeMarcus Ware make his seventh Pro Bowl or whatever, but well, if there's a position, great where he's going

to another. If you told me, if you told me that, they were like, well, we're just gonna make Sean Lee the linebackers coach, I again would not really bad and eyelid. So yeah, but you still are developing some young guys, Jalen Smith being one of them that you got to take some time with, right Yeah, which I mean my point being there's there's a guy in that room who can help him a lot in Shawn Lee. So and I don't know, we'll see where it goes. That's it's

it's interesting. It's interesting the way that they did all this, like a lot of in house promotions and then a lot of like really far outside help. I mean, you know, Chris Richard is expected to be secondaries coach and passing game coordinator, taking over the Mattie Refluse role. Recruiter, Yeah, Sanjay Sanjay Lal is your new receivers coach. So like

they they went and Paul Alexander. I don't remember if we've talked about him, because it's been a minute since we've been on the air, but again, a very established offensive line coach coming from CINCI. So like a lot of established guys coming from other places, and then a lot of just promoting your own. So it's a little bit of mix and match. But the thing is it shouldn't surprise you the promoting from your own because it still seems like their overall objective here was to keep continuity.

And some of these coaches that they lost were not coaches they necessarily wanted to lose. They were coaches that got other opportunities and decided to take those other opportunities. I would mention like Ebrafluis was Eberflus a guy they necessarily wanted to leave. He left because he had another opportunity. They very much wanted him to stay, right, And you can talk about him you can talk about Besachia. Did they want to get rid of Besacchia? He's obviously already

has a job. But I'm just saying he already has a job. So we don't know if it was kind of a mutual thing or were they trying to get rid of him. I don't know. You tell me, well, I mean if they if they didn't want him to go, they didn't have to let him go. I mean, he wasn't he was under contract. Understood that. But that's also a thing of Okay, so do you keep a coach and it's you know, you have done a disgruntled coach.

I mean they've done that before, and as soon as the guy was able to leave, he was out the door, right. Jerry classified it as the right thing to do, which is I mean, yeah, I mean it's you know, John Gruden is an old friend of his and they've worked together going back away as he helped them win that Super Bowl in Tampa. But to suggest that he didn't really, I mean they he's gonna sleep well at night that rich Bisacci is not here like here, Yeah, I mean yeah,

and don't they're not. That's what And I wasn't saying I wasn't saying that they that they were trying to push, And that's my question. Doesn't want to be here right right, and it's it's mutual parting of ways. He wanted to go and they're like, we can live, Okay, we can

live if you go. But I guess the overall point, though, is I think there were two or three coaches that at least it looks to me like they were not situations, whether cowboys were trying to get rid of them as much as it was cowboys just decided you want to go somewhere else, will allow you to go somewhere else, or their contract was up and they had the right to go somewhere else. I just think what they did they did just enough to keep me on the fence.

Like I'm I'm very intrigued and and excited by the hiring of Chris Richard, who was a defensive coordinator and absolutely coached a lot of great players there. You would imagine he's going to bring some new ideas and man, I mean, all right, I'm just I'm not gonna go there. But you know, we'll see hampering Derek, what if we learned about it. We'll see we'll see. I'm intrigued to know and see if we really see some changes, because I think we'll find out exactly where the problem is

coming from. But then again, they could go to the whole thing. Well, it takes some time to get adapted to this new coaching staff and everything. That's I guess that's where I was going to go is I'm intrigued by a couple of those things. You know, Paul Alexander coming from from since he's coached some really good offensive linemen up there. I mean, they had you know, Kevin Kevin Zeitler is currently the highest paid guard in football

coming from Cincinnati. Zack Martin's probably going to top that. But um, but then, you know, as bitterly disappointing as last season was, they were just like, well, we're gonna keep a lot of these guys that were a part of that and just give them bigger job. I mean, you know, and I'm not saying anything. I think a lot of fans agree with that, and I think it's a fair criticism, which if they had done nothing but that,

then I would be alarmed. But they did just enough bringing in new faces where I'm like, all right, let's let's see how it goes, see how this goes, but we'll see. I mean, that's that's pretty much where I sit with it, which, like I said, there's there's two or three hires that really intrigued me, and then there's a couple where I'm like, Okay, it's not fine whatever. All right, let's move on. Let's talk a little bit

about Dez Bryant. This week. There have been a couple of different statements that have been made in the media that that kind of get that conversation rolling. The one I thought that was most interesting and that will kind of center our conversation around, was one that Michael Irvin form a wide receiver of the Cowboys Hall of Famer and Ring of Honor guy, one of the more decorated players, definitely wide receivers in history of the Cowboys. And here

was this quote about Dez Bryant. You don't find number one receivers hanging off trees like leaves. So what are you going to do? Let Dez go? Who you got to replace him? You don't find them this easily. And the Cowboys would be stupid, stupid to let this boy go. Right now, Dave that I saw the reason why I thought that I wanted to bring this up on the show is because I then saw you tweet after this tweet that it sums up your feelings and not to put words in your mouth. So I'll let you kind

of talk about it. Tell me what you like about this statement and how it kind of kind of wraps up your thoughts on Dez Bryan what the Cowboys should do with him. Well, I think I've said it a number of times on a variety of different platforms that look, I know, he had a bad year. He had a year that is not you can't justify his salary based

on that. All that good. I know all that. I'm not trying to convince you that Dez was actually good last year, But I do think in the grand scheme of things, he is better than anything you could realistically hope to find for this coming year. And I think trying to get rid of him gives you a problem that you don't currently have. Like I mean, you look at the landscape of this team and you say, we need a left guard, we need better depth to tackle, we need to figure out what's going on with our

line backers. Could always use pass rush help, could you stand to improve the safeties. You have a number one wide receiver right now, I'm not I know he was disappointing last year, but you have a guy who can shoulder that workload, and taking him off of this team makes your wide receivers as as disappointing as he was. I think it makes your wide receiver corps immeasurably worse, and it gives you a hell of a job of

replacing him right now. Maybe I mean in the long run, sure you can do that, but I'm talking about in twenty eighteen. I think your wide receiver corps is noticeably worse if he's not part of it. Nick, you agreed, disagree. I just think it's it's on the table. This is late January and I'm still looking at all options. I'm gonna ask him to take a pay cut, because if he wasn't making not a lot at all and had a blow up season, he'd be asking for a raise. So he is making a lot of Money's the third

highest paid receiver in the league. He had a year that was in the twenty five pretty much drank twenty fifth across the board in all three major categories. So I would ask him to take a pay cut. Actually, he hasn't really lived up to the contract for the last two seasons now, so but I don't I don't know if you'll I don't. I mean, I don't know if he'll he'll get that. I mean, I don't know if he'll he'll agree with that. But I'm just looking

at all options. I want to see, maybe, you know, can you draft someone, Maybe can you do free agent, Maybe something's better. I mean, I don't understand what you're saying about if he's not on the team. I mean, it's probably worse unless you throw that money into another player,

you know, from another team. I got a couple of things that you tipped me off that we were gonna be talking about this like I brought the thunder today, Like I'm ready to talk about this, sure one well before before, but real quick, before you get to that, though, I want to let Amber kind of sound off on whether she agrees overall with that statement or not. Well, I mean, I do agree that you can't just get rid of him when you don't have anybody else lined up.

But the thing is, here's where my problem comes from from the statement that Michael Irvin made the saying you guys need to kind of back off on this and less wait till next year, reload again and give it another shot. Well you can't say that, and that really bothered me because you wait a whole year to play sixteen games with the hope of a few more than that. But again, it's not a game that you a season

that starts every four months or so. You wait so long to play for this little amount of games, and then it's not that easy to like, oh yeah, let's just give it another shot. No, you guys need to figure out. But the complicated part, it just goes again with the whole thing that you can't bring someone else. And then even if you drafted a guy, you would want a veteran here and someone that has that kind

of experience and knows the team. But I just more of the fact that I do I agree with him probably needing to be here another year is just what bothered me. Was that second statement that Michael Irving gave, well you can back off of this, Well that, I mean, that's the beauty of football. Though, like we spend so much time, we spend eighty five percent of the time talking about it and fifteen percent of the time actually

watching it, there's sixteen games, less than fifteen percent. It gives you, it forces you into tough situations like that, And I mean, is that not what's happening with the coaching staff right now. I mean you're like, hey, it was a bad year, We're gonna reload, We're gonna try this again. If next year is bitterly disappointing, you think the changes will be as minute as they were this

year in the grands, Probably not. You're probably making wholesale changes if you know, if they don't make the playoffs or if they have a losing record next year. I don't think that's a stretch to say. And so I look at it similarly with Dez. I mean, you chalk it up to you chalk it up to a crap year. I'll cross the board and you try to reload. Okay, I see that, And so I'm basically saying I see Michael Irvin's logic and saying I don't like Michael Irvin's

first line. Number one receivers don't grow on tree. Okay, there's thirty two number one receivers obviously, So yeah, I mean, somebody's got to be the number one receiver. But we're talking about the third highest paid receiver in the league, and and and it's not He's not producing anywhere close to that. That's the issue. And you know, I've never heard the term Dez friendly. I've heard Romo friendly, I've heard Dak friendly. Let's make these this offense friendly to

help this quarterback. I don't know if Dez is Dak friendly, and I'm not sure that he is, and I'm not sure that it's best for for Dez to be with DA. But they're clearly saying we want things to be Dak friendly. They're gonna center this thing around Dak. This is and this is something I meant to bring up your last statement, And it's something that's been bothering me for a week since Jerry and Stephen brought this up at the Senior Bowl.

Am I am? I crazy? Like I just feel like the world is just choosing to lump Dez's twenty sixteen season in as like this bitter disappointment. He was good in twenty sixteen. He did not put up numbers, but fitting up his salary. But he is not playing in an offense that puts him toward that he knew going in. This is a run heavy team with a rookie quarterback, and he went out. I think he missed three games. What he caught like fifty balls for eight hundred yards

and eight touchdowns. He made clutch plays down the stretch in the second half, long touchdown against Pittsburgh, was one of the only guys who delivered on offense against Minnesota, put up something like six or seven hundred yard games and went off in the playoffs. I mean, he had one hundred and thirty yards and a touchdown against Green Bay and that loss. He played well. His numbers do not show that because he's playing with a rookie quarterback.

But to lump twenty sixteen in as well, you know why, you know why that's happened. The reason why that happened is because it's sandwiched between two years that weren't for sure. And so that's why when you look at and when you compare those three years to the three years previous to that, there is a stark contrast. And I think that's why people are starting to say, well, maybe you're getting the downside of Dez Bryan in the last three years, even though I agree with you. In sixteen he had

a good year. You can't twenty seventeen. And it's I mean, it's an excuse to say he was hurt in twenty fifteen, even though it's true. But everyone had a good year in two sixteen. Basically. Yeah, but again, that's the kind of energy that bounces off of each other. Now you got a year that your running back goes out and you are you're counting on the receivers to kind of help out this offense, and the number one receiver doesn't do that. I mean, that's a problem. And you can't

blame it on Dak. I mean I get that, Dad. Yes, he's not perfect, and part of it was, you know, he didn't play one hundred percent great. I agree, But one of the things that I see, Okay, you go into the second year, you had training camp, you had all those practices that you have during the week out there on the field, practicing with each other, and you still don't see a progress between the two. You still

don't see that connection. And take away the fact of all those plays where Dag didn't throw well the ones that he did, still it was death. He couldn't as a RECEI he couldn't do the job as a receiver. I would argue though, And that's another thing. You know, we talk about how bad their chemistry is. It looked fine in twenty sixteen. I mean maybe it wasn't. It

wasn't as good as it was with Tony Romo. Tony Romos, which is to be expected exactly, So don't even come at me with that, because if you expect Dac to be on that level right now, I don't want to hear it. Like the blueprint for the way this team operates changed when Tony Romo lost his job. It's not that team anymore. And by the way, you signed Deaz to play for that kind of quarterback. So no, this contract is not great and it would be wise to probably try to get out of it maybe next year

if his play doesn't improve. But I think it is what it is. And like I said, I think with all that stuff being said, this is a team that's built a very specific way. There's a very specific way for this team to win, and losing your running back and your left tackle for a significant chunk of the season drastically altered that. Again, not trying to say it. Deaz played well, but I think you have to take all that stuff into account and just saying he's crap.

All right, let's go and take our first break. When we come back, I think we're going to change the conversation a little bit because I think there are really two questions here that we need to answer. Number One, is this team really worse off if Dez Bryant is gone? Because I think we need to look back to those three games where they missed him in twenty sixteen and

see if maybe that gives us some perspective. And then the second thing is, if you really believe they have to replace him, are there better options out there, specifically in free agency that you could bring in If you're going to pay top dollar, should you be paying top dollar maybe to a better option. I think those are the two questions we got to answer. We'll do that when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. It can be hard to find the right

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Back to the Break, Welcome back. It is the second second of the Break live from the s w DC Mortgage studios. At the start, we're talking about Dez Bryant some interesting thoughts. I guess in that initial segment what I wanted to do is I want to focus in a little bit on two specific things. One Michael Loran kind of made and I think actually, Dave, you made this point that you feel as though with Dez being gone there would be a big, gaping hole left without him.

Whether it's the production or not, there's something that you're missing if you don't have him. I want you guys to discuss for a second the three games period in twenty sixteen when Dez wasn't here, when he was out injured, and if you look at those three games, I went

back and pulled some of the numbers. They won all three games, cowbel Boys with three and oh in those three games, Dak had two hundred and forty seven two hundred and twenty seven and two hundred and forty five yards in the three games, had a total of six touchdowns and only one interception. They played pretty well. Terrence william was the leading receiver in two of the games. Zeke, which was the big story, played out of his mind, had one hundred and fifty seven, one hundred and thirty four,

one hundred and thirty eight. But when you start thinking about how this team was constructed, and Dave you kind of mentioned this as well. Who they beaten here? They beat Green Bay at Green Bay, which is a big win I think, and then they beat Cincinnati at home, and then they beat San Francisco in San Francisco, which San Francisco and whatever, Cincinnati probably whatever. I just feel like here, I mean, I'm just looking at the order is not Yeah snows it was at San Francisco, then

at home against Cincinnati, then at Green Bay got it. Yeah, I'm not missing that Cincinnati game. What happened then? Zeke at Zeke balled out? Nothing? Lead? Yeah? Yeah, right, keep away from them. But my point is that if you look at how this team is constructed, which you guys have all talked about, this team is constructed to be a running team, and maybe that means you don't need to have a high paid, top wide receiver in order

for this offense to go. Assuming your running backs in place and he's not out suspended for six games, and assuming your offensive line is intact, what do you guys think? I think there's merit to that. And like I, you know, Des' contract is not good for this team in the long haul, and I've said it a million times. In an ideal world, in my opinion, you would go through this year as best you can, keeping him, and then seek to offload that deal next year because it's easier and more friendly

to do. Um I think there's something to be said for that. But again, that's great they played. They played great in that three week stretch. I think I'm just I'm leary about the idea. I mean, let's I'm assuming Bryce Butler is no longer a part of this team in twenty eighteen either, which he had a role in at least two of those games. He had a touchdown against San Francisco and was big for this That was his best game, one touchdown, and he was big for

them against Green Bay too. He had a nice touchdown on that drive right before the half, so he played a role there. So you're basically saying, I mean, if if you're not keeping Dez, you're signing a mid tier receiver replacement in free agency who I mean, maybe he's better, maybe isn't for the month, and and you're still you're overpaying him, so you're still gonna have to pay more than you probably want to, or you're drafting a guy who history indicates won't likely be ready to go from

day one, especially with a rookie quarterback. And I've got numbers to back this up, just in case you were curious. I wasn't at work yesterday. I spent the entire afternoon researching wide receivers. In the time since Dez Bryant has been drafted, So, going back to twenty ten, two hundred

and fifty receivers have been drafted into the NFL. Thirty seven of them have made a what I would call a significant impact in their rookie year, which so my cutoff for that was forty catches, give or take six hundred yards, give or take five touchdowns, give or take. Thirty seven guys hit those How many of those were first round picks? Twelve of the thirty seven, and seven of those twelve were in the top fifteen. How many

overall were first round picks? Like, That's what I want to know, is, like you you're total number of two hundred and fifty something that were drafted wide receivers ever drafted. I'm asking how many first round wide receivers were drafted, and then compare that number to how many of those were I can impactful players. I can answer that for you. I can't. I'm not going to do it on the air because I would have to go through but thirty seven.

So of the thirty seven guys who have hit that milestone, twelve of them were first round picks, ten were second, So you're you need to draft the guy high, first or second. Right. Yeah. And by the way of the guys, of those thirty seven guys, nineteen of them matched what you're calling a bad season by Dez Bryan in twenty seventeen. Nineteen guys in the last eight years. Right. But if you get if you get that production in their rookie year of what you call the bad season, your expectation

is that that's their floor. Right, sure, right, but there's an eight percent chance you're going to get a guy who's capable of doing that in his first year. Well, we don't know that because we don't know if it's a first and second round pick. That's why I was asking the total number that are first and second round picks fifteen of the nineteen or first and second round picks. Even still, and I can go back and do this, but you're still talking. You're talking six second round picks

out of probably thirty that have been drafted. And that's why I want to know. The numbers aren't in your favor. It's the point I'm trying to make. Then you go to free agency, who you who are you looking at. I got a name for you, go for it. I think Jarvis Landry is a guy that you definitely should look at. If you talk about can you is there a way for you to take the money that you're giving to Dez Bryant? And what's wrong? Nothing? This is where my contract no, and and because he's too I

don't know. But here's the deal. You think about it from the standpoint of a guy like Jarvis Landry, if you signed him to a long term deal, it is a twenty five year old wide receiver. You signed him to a long term deal, there's a way for you to get him for this year for relatively cheap. Right, Yes,

that's going to count against your cap. So all that being said, would you rather have a guy like Jarvis Landry who is a guy who has great hands, runs great routes that maybe adds that that extra little whatever you need in a in an offense where let's let's face it, what's most important in from a receiver. I think in this offense is can you move the chains? And I think he is a volume receiver. He fits

the bill. I think he checks a lot of the check marks of what would be a great receiver in this particular offense, you're going to spend the money on somebody like that, then, does that make make it more palatable to not have Dez Bryan on this team. I absolutely despise the idea of cutting Daz just to take on another seventy million dollar contract, and that's what it would cost. You're talking, Oh, yeah, you gotta have to pay him, no doubt about. You have to pay him.

Boatrack dot Com puts his market value at thirteen point eight, and teams drastically overpay for market value all the time. Franchise tag is sixteen based on what Jarvis Landry's done in his career. It's understandable if he tries to demand fifteen, and it won't be surprising if he gets it right.

So you're cutting days to immediately take on a similar number with no guarantee that it's going to pay off based on what we've seen so far from your quarterback however, Well, I mean, you cut Daz this year, you save about eight million on your cap and you could probably save more if you did them, if you'd cut him after

June for you know, designated. You can't use that money, you don't, Yeah, you don't use it on that, but you you use it when you that's when you pay DeMarcus Lawrence and all that kind of stuff, right, you can do Zach Martin after June first also, um, but but I you know you also you got Romo's money

that's counting this year as well. So I agree with your point about you front you backload the contract a little bit where you can kind of make that swap, and you're talking about a twenty nine year old receiver to a twenty five year old receiver who runs better routes and is better a better fit. Like I see that part of it there. Because if you say you're gonna save eight million dollars if you cut days, but what do you I mean, what does Terrence make four

million a year something like that? Four point five okay four point five as as a number two receiver, So you got to you gotta replace it somehow, So you're not really gonna save a lot of money. I mean, that's that would be a bold move. But I kind of can see the point because what this team needs is a better route runner, a guy that can adjust. And you know, if you're gonna keep Dez on this team, then sang law this new receiver's coach. You need to

put him to work, and he's not. If he doesn't take a pay cut, then Desney needs to spend the entire year trying to get better at running routes. That's just you wouldn't think that after an eight year career, but he needs to. So it's holding him back. Let me let me ask you this. Y'all just outline that so beautifully, and so I just I feel like we're walking into a trap here. You're not. You're not walking into like there. I mean, you can have whatever opinion

you want. It's totally doable. The Cowboys have something like twenty million in cap space. Would you agree that they're not going to get a long term deal well done with DeMarcus Lawrence before free agency, before free four the league year starts. Probably yeah, Probably not. It seems unlikely. I'd have no idea why it was a report out the other day to sit that they were trying to

that it might, but I don't know. Steve Oh Stephen Jones said at the Senior Bowl that he wants to get it done as quickly as possible and not have to use the franchise and if it does, it's that means it's a very favorable deal for the organization if you and maybe I'm wrong, but if I'm DeMarcus Lawrence and I'm done with the Pro Bowl, I would sit in my house and not risk injury for anything and know that I'm either about to get a one year, seventeen million dollar payday or I'm going to hit the

open market and somebody might get really nuts. I have no idea why he would agree to a deal right now. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, maybe he will, but it doesn't make sense to me. So you're spending seventeen million of your twenty million on DeMarcus Lawrence for the time being. Assuming you don't get an extension done with Zach Martin right now, you can restructure Travis Frederick's contract to give you something like six seven million. This is

all coming from spotrack dot com. You can look at it yourself. This isn't it's not like. Let me ask you this question real quick, just as a point of clarity. When you say you have that seventeen million against your cap, do you have to be under the cap starting with free agency? Once you tag let's say they have to tag him. Once you tag him, do you have to have that seventeen million allotted against your cap? I believe

so it's held, it has to be accounted for you. Yes, yeah, even if he doesn't sign his tender and until July, and you have to stay under the cap the entire free agency period. Like I thought there was a point at which there was like a date with after which everybody has to be under the cap. I didn't know that there was, like that was always you had to be under the cap. Is that accurate? You have to be under the cap by the start of the league year, right,

and then your top fifty one salaries count right? Okay, thanks, So with all the finagling and the Cowboys do this every year, it's not as drastic as it sounds. Even if you have to carry the franchise tag, they can probably find a way free up about ten million in cap space. If they were to get an extension done with Zach Martin, that would probably give him another four to five million, Like you're talking about as much as like fifteen million dollars in cap space. You can do it,

no doubt. And then that's not even including cutting Deaz, which would free up another eight. So if you want to make a splash, you got the money, you can make the money to do you absolutely can, would you really do you? And maybe you do. I hate the idea of doing all that work and then immediately tying myself to Jarvis Landry or Alan Maybe Alan Robinson's your guy. You can go get him for thirteen million dollars a year. I don't love that. And then after there's a kind

of a steep drop off after those two. You got Marquis Lee. There's not a lot of great free agents outside those Marquis Lee and Paul Richardson who have never had thousand yards seasons, Sammy Watkins, who's had injury issues. I hate the idea of turning around and handing that kind of money to one of those guys when I've already got Dez Bryan on there. I'm already overpaying a receiver.

He's already been here, he's already comfortable. As far as I know, he gets along with everybody in the locker room, even in light of all this stuff. I mean, if he left the team, who knows what would come out. But I don't have any reason to believe that there's some type of rift in the locker room. What if

Jarvis Landry is deck friendly, because it is not. The problem I have with Michael Irving's statement about being number one is that how many number one receivers have defensive coordinators said we'll give you Deaz, we'll give that to you. We're not giving you Beasley, and we're not giving you Witten. We're gonna take away your easy throw and we're gonna make you have a hard throw. That to me. And I'm not saying that it's all on DEAs because I

think Dak that's where Dak Dad can't make that throw consistent. Now, that's where his end experience has come into play. And I think when we talked to all years is defense coordinators is going to figure him out. I think they did. I think they figured it out and they won. They said we will will. We're not giving you these short throws. You have to go these fifty fifty balls. And it was about fifty fifty. He caught what sixty something passes,

sixty nine passes. It was like one hundred and twenty five hundred and thirty, So it was about fifty fifty on every ball. And you know we call them fifty fifty balls the faith. Everything was fifty fifty with Daz, not all Deaz's fault Dak. Dak still has to figure that out. But I'm talking about if they're making Dak friendly, maybe Dez isn't anymore. And you know, that's the interesting

thing about this whole conversation. I think if Dak goes, I mean, I'm sorry, if Dez goes to another team with a more experience, more accurate, will order back, he will light it up and have a great year. This is not about Dez by himself. This is about, like you say, Nick, this is about is Dez a great fit for Dak? And that's why I don't know if that's accurate. I think there might be. And that's why I bring up the guy the name Jarvis Landry. I think a guy like him that gets open more, it

has more separation, has better hands. In my opinion, I think he might be a better fit for this offense and what they're trying to do converting those third downs moving to chains. I think he might just be a better fit than Dez is in this offense. I already I think it's a knee jerk reaction to say Dak and Dez just absolutely don't fit because I thought, I don't think anybody saying that. I'm saying, all right, that's

what it's being sucret. Well, I never got to the other half of my hypothetical, which is, would you rather do all that finagling, maybe jeopardize your long term cap by backloading another deal for another receiver paying him seventy million that's what it would cost to sign Jarvis Landry Or would you rather just grin and Barrett hope that des can recover and spend one of your first three draft picks on a receiver, because that's again looking at it,

that's where it says you have to find these guys. I think you still you still would spend a pick one top three picks on a wide receiver, whether you go out and get a free agent or not. And if that's I just I don't understand the point of putting new money and new deals with new years on the table. When so all right, let's you keep Dez. You just you don't touch his money, you just leave it alone. You restructure Frederick because knock on wood, he's never missed a snap in his life. You can go

get Juju Smith Shuster sixty second overall pick. You can get Cooper Cup sixty ninth overall pick, Sterling Shepherd forty, Michael Thomas forty seventh overall pick. And then you got your freak shows, Amari Cooper, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham. That's probably not realistic. Jordan Matthews forty second overall pick, Jarvis Landry sixty third overall pick. You can find solid receivers. You can find really solid receivers even as late as

the second round. Bring them in here. Don't make them do it all from day one, because very few guys have proven they can handle that. Let them be the third right wide receiver on this team. And if Dez doesn't recover, or if Terrence doesn't recover, hell, you could cut them both next year and it would be way

better for you. But my thing about it is when you're talking about sticking with what you got, I think that what we're seeing in today's NFL is that sticking with what you got gets you beat, especially if you're offensive or defensive coordinator, is not creative enough to do

different things with them than what you did before. You look at some of the teams now that have had success over the last several years, a lot of them went out and they got a piece here, piece there, or piece there that they added to a team that kind of pushed them over the top. We saw it happen with the Giants couple of years with their a couple of years ago with their defense. We saw the

Denver Broncos do it. They went out and got three a player at each of the levels on their defense, and it took their defense all the way to the Super Bowl. We saw the Eagles last year. They did the same thing. They even got a Ji in the middle of the year. All I'm saying is if you're staying the same, if you're gonna say we're just gonna roll out what we got, well, then you better be really really creative with doing different things with those players.

You can't do the same thing in today's NFL, I don't think and be successful. The Broncos are a very rare example where they just they bucked the trends. I mean they did. They went out and plashed a bunch of money and immediately were in three straight in AFC title games and won a Super Bowl. But that's just three examples I just gave you in the last five years the Eagles. I don't chalk that up in the same like the Eagles took calculated risks that paid off Alshon.

Jeffrey was a one year deal, right, That's not what we're talking about with Jarvis Landry. How much they paying for that one year or eight million dollars that was it. Yeah, they didn't give him money at all. I mean they extended him this year. They didn't. They get some free agents on their defense. On defense side of all, Timmy Joern again. Timmy Joern again was a trade for like a fourth round pick. J giy was a trade for a fifth round Yea. All I'm saying. All I'm saying

is they've changed up their team. So what are you gonna It's not just about the draft. I think you got to bring in some players and change it up or you're gonna be in a gonna be in a situation where you're doing the same things. And I don't think that works if you've got twelve million dollars on your salary cap. I'm all in favor of doing something a little more bold than signing Stephen pie Nolan Carroll

all right, all right, the elephant in the room. Would you rather just keep Dez Bryant or would you rather let him go and get the safety? Get the guy if the safety became available and Cowboys had an opportunity to go get him. Frederick Zach Martin, all this stuff, at the end of it, if you got to make a choice between the two, I'd rather go get a safety, a really great free agency, I'm sorry, a really great veteran safety, than worrying about what I'm gonna do with this.

I'm not convinced that you have to choose between the two based on everything we just sat to. Maybe in a rare circumstance, and for anybody that's not picking up what we're putting down, they're talking about going after Earl Thomas in a if, which is not tampering, because he

went after Jason Garrett. He went up to the whole team, physically went after him and said, come get me if if they kick me to the curb in a rare So, if they kick him to the curb in a rare circumstance where he is available and he wants to be with the Cowboys, probably get him for a good deal. Maybe I don't know that I buy that. But if not a great deal, I mean, is he still want to get paid, but you can get him for a good deal. Played Sunday in this far and that's it.

Don't forget that. And he'll bring that up in the negotiate. Earl Thomas is from Texas and wants to be a Cowboys until the forty nine ers offer him double. The Cowboys like, that's nobody's gonna They're not gonna offer him. Why not? Remember he played Sunday. There are some roll bowls were a We're talking about how well the Cowboys are in good shape because they have fifteen million dollars in cap sways, forty nine ers have one hundred million dollars.

They can throw whatever the hell they want around. So don't tell me it's a lot impossible. Yeah no, But but I'm still saying, though, I think there is something to a veteran player that already has a ring and him wanting to go and play for a specific team. I think that happens a lot in the end, in a rare in a rare circumstance, And honestly, I think I think that's a better scenario because didn't see it

would get something, it would have. It would have to be something like this Alex Smith thing where he agrees to a new deal immediately, not absolutely one year. Absolutely, that's part of the deal. Um in a rare sur round pick, fourth round pick. They're gonna lose them anyways, No, they're not. He's under contract for a year. I mean this, Okay, I would I would give a third. I'm just laying out and maybe I'm a homer when it comes to

but I would give a third. No good text for every person that says, God, you can get Jason Witten in the third. You can also you can get j. J. Wilcox in the third. You can get Terence We're going to play that game. Yeah, I mean third and fourth. I would give a third for Earl Thomas. I would too. Absolute in again, if if it was between Deaz or you can have Earl, I'd probably roll the dice and go after Earl Thomas. But that doesn't change my opinion.

Then I think it's it's knee jerk and shortsighted to just think you gotta dumped as sometime in the next three months. That's true, That's okay. We all have our own opinions of what we think should happen. Well, we want it to happen, But you guys all know how the Cowboys work realistically speaking, do you really expect the Cowboys to actually do anything about that? All? Right, hold right there, that's a good tease. We're gonna take a break, We're gonna come back, and I want you guys to

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slash Cowboys. You get twenty percent off your first order Tommy John dot com Forward slash Cowboys. Tommy John. Thank you, Nick, real real quick. I looked this up during the breaks, Joe, I would thank you. Since twenty twenty nine, teams have spent a first round pick on a wide receiver twenty nine total, twelve of them, like I said, hit that six hundred yard in the first year. In the first year, and of those twelve, about a little over half, I

mean little under half. Of the twelve that did it, seven of them were top ten, top fifteen types picks. So if you take the Cowboys pick this year, five guys drafted in that range have done that. So you're looking at a seventeen percent chance that your pick at nineteen this year and one of them is ready to go immediately. One of those guys is Dez Bryant, Yes, one of one of the five is death, which Damarius Thomas says to be another one. He had three hundred

yards as a rookie. Oh are you talking about guys who hit forty forty catches, six hundred yards five six touchdowns. That's why I guess my argument, like if I'm wrapping the whole thing up, my argument is, your decision is either you keep Dez Bryant, or if you're gonna get rid of Dez Bryant, you go get yourself the best free agent wide receiver that's out there in Jarvis Landry and and if you're not to me, those are really

the only two options. I don't think that you can count on a on a rookie wide receiver necessary to come in here and be what you wanted to be for first. He might be better in future years, so I still think you draft him. You just can't count

on him for this year. And if you get one that that shows up this year, great, but you can't count on the fact that this year he's gonna be He's gonna replace the production that Dez with this Sorry, go ahead, I would do something though, in free agency, I would do that type of I'm not saying get the eagle receiver Alshan Jeffrey, but that type of player. Can you do that with Alan Robinson? I don't know, because of his injury last year. I just I'm paying

my starting quarterback a million dollars. I'm gonna take advantage of that. Yeah, I'll take advantage of it. Now. It's gonna come back victually of that fact right now. Well, depends depends of what he does and he balls out next year, maybe you try to get a deal early. If I'm saying, wines deal up two more years. But I mean, you can't, can't. We can't have a good year.

He had a pretty good year. But if he has a better year and they was zeke back and they do better, who is there's no way you can just go in with fourth fourth round pick who franchise wasn't convinced about his deal. I'm trying to make a Kirk Cousins comparison here. Is that a dumb deal to you guys? It doesn't make it seem it doesn't make any sense

to me. It just says the Redskins knew behind closed doors that just Kirk Cousins absolutely did not want to play there, and so they were like this, this isn't great, but we gotta do what we gotta, dude, to protect ourselves. Aren't there aren't there other options out there as far as veteran quarterbacks that will be available this year that you could maybe if you want to spend money on,

you could spend money on. I mean, this is a thirty four year old quarterback in Alex Smith, and you gave up, in my opinion, one of their best cornerbacks. If I was them and a third round pick, it makes sense to me if you're gonna have Alex Smith for a year or two and draft a guy. But I mean, they signed him to a four year deal extension today, so they got him five Smith like thirteen. I feel like you could maybe get Baker Mayfield. They need to get a running back. To me, Alex Smith

is better in a balanced offense. You don't like some no do you like big Rob, No, bat Rob Rob whatever, same thing. Thompson's good, But I'm just saying they need a balanced offense that will help Alex Smith. Thompson is good, really good. Yeah, he's good. He's a receiver. He's a little receiver back. But I mean the way they run their offense, I wouldn't be surprising a couple of years if he's their primary guy, because they did that is a pass heavy offense. They could like, why the offense

with Kirk Cousins. Is it going to be a pass heavy offense with Alex Smith? I'll tell you this right now. I don't think their positioned to be a run heavy offense. So if they're not gonna be passive, what are I going to do? Well? Yesterday I thought the Redskins are the worst team in the NFC from the Cowboys perspective. You know, teams that you have to worry about, and today I think they're the worst team. I mean, I

think it's the same either way. You know, I'm not a big Kirk Cousins guy because he hasn't ever beaten the Cowboys. He's bet he's always been in a one dimensional offense. I think if he finds a more balanced offense, yeah, all things being equal, Like, you know, if you're just assuming Cousins will play where you want them to and like you're just taking all that out of the equation, I'd way rather have Kirk Cousins at twenty seven million than Alex Smith at twenty three. I agree with this.

It's just me. I agree with you. Okay, let's get back to the question that Amber posed before the break has with regards to Des Brown. We've talked a lot about what our thoughts are and what we would like to see happen. But let's talk about the Cowboys. You guys know this team, well, you know the front office. Well, what do you expect that they're going to do with Dez Bryant? And Saul said done. I think when it's all said and done, I don't think Dez is on

the team next year. Wow, I don't. I mean, if I had to just guess, I don't. I'm not going to sit here and say that that's a better move. I'm really on the fence with it because I see all the points. But I think if you're asking what I think they will do, I think they will try to give a pay cut. I think Des has got too much pride for it. I don't think he said,

you know what, cut me and see what happens. I think he's going to an NFC team and to face the Cowboys, and I think I think that would happen. But if I had to just guess, I think I don't think he's on the team, all right, Dave the Jones's comments at the Senior Bowl don't give me a lot of confidence that I'm right. And I mean I've talked to plenty of other people who agree with Nick too, So I don't know when where there's smoke, there's fire, But I just I gotta see it to believe it.

Maybe I should, maybe I should be more cynical. I mean, this team cut to Marcus Ware and Tony Romo, so anything's possible. But these types of things, it just seems like there's always a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing Like I just I think he's gonna be here. Maybe they can, you know, if they draft a guy, maybe they can badger Room into taking a pay cut or something. Maybe, but maybe that's the badgering has already

started in Senior Bowl. Yeah, maybe that's what those comments were. Yeah, but I think he'll be here one way or the other. Amber Well comments on the Senior Bowl, Yeah, it makes me kind of doubt. But at the end of the day, I think he'll just stay here. I mean, I find it hard to believe. With the Cowboys, Yeah, they've made crazy moves, like you just said, Dave, but at the same time, it's like how they feeling they make a bold move in the coaching staff. I doubt they're gonna

make a bold move with Des. I don't know. I just he'll be a good headline. It'll be a lot of news to talk about that, but I don't think it's gonna happen. I waffle every time I talk about this. Today. My feeling is, I think I agree with Day that he's going to be here, but I think it's kind

of a combination of what Nick saying. I think they're gonna ask him for Pacup, but I think the way that they're going to structure the new deal gives him a clear path to be able to make the money if he can get those numbers back up, And I think that will allow Dez to say face on this okay, because I think Des will look at it as okay, I'll show you that I could hit those numbers, and then we're gonna talk some more after this seasons done, and I think that's how he ends up staying here.

We talked about this the other day. So Dez Bryant obviously wants the football a lot. Yeah, you give him a incentive base. I'm not saying it's a good idea. Yeah, what happens when the Cowboys defeat the Bears twenty eight to seven? Zeke has one hundred and eighty all purpose yards and Dak I mean, and Dez has four catches twenty nine yards, two catches for fifty five yard pass interference penalty down to the one that helped but doesn't really show up on the stats. He's not hitting in

center base. But Dez was a big part of that. Are you angry Daz at this point? What kind of des are you getting that? Now his money is tied to his numbers. Yeah, did they win? They won the game. They won't worry about it later. No, no, no, I don't yeh. But But the question is the question is for there are there are some players, there's some players. There's some players that you don't worry so much about whether they're happy or upset about whatever. Dad is one

of those players. As as as Stephen talked about Senior Bowl, he can be volatile at times, and so do you get do you start to worry worry that now you're gonna have angry days, even in a locker room where maybe you're winning. If you go, if you read between the lines on things that he said in twenty sixteen, I would suggest to you that he wasn't completely happy then he I mean, he finished with fifty catches and less than a thousand yards. He ain't cool with that,

But I think he had just gotten paid. Now you're talking about his money, and now his money's tied to it. I think if if the team is winning, I think and he'll be all right. I think he's such a competitor and it's wired to his personality. He might not be happy. But if the team is winning, I don't buy that. He was not going to call it like a bunch of noise. And I don't want to be crazy here, But what if the Cowboys were like a

eight and eight, nine and seven type of team. You know, we haven't seen that really around here, but let's say they're kind of back and forth. Yeah, I'm getting crazy. Now we're getting crazy with the Yeah. I'm not saying they're gonna fish eight and eight or anything like that, I hear you. I'm just saying I think that's it sounds good to make it incentive base, But well, this is not a friendly offense for Decked. I mean, does

the throw poll. What if they're gonna get him to cut his salary, They're gonna have to make it incentive base. That's a part of it. Like they're not gonna just say we're just cutting your salary out right, They're gonna give him a way to be able to earn it back. That's that just seems like what you do in these kind of situations where you have a veteran player, right, and that money goes on the cap too. Yep, However,

however happy or unhappy he is. When DJ Moore's done having his thousand yard rookie breakout season, you can move on from Dez next year. But it's nice to have that security blanket. All right, real quick, we got about a minute. I need you guys to give me some Super Bowl predictions. New England Patriots face to Philadelphia Eagles. Let's start with you, Amber. Who wins the game? Patriots? They better? I hope. So wow? All right, Nick, I think the street continues, um. I think the Patriots win.

I think the Eagles stay at zero. I think Cowboy fans will be more excited about that. Uh. And also, I just think that the Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. I think if they're playing, they win good year for the Eagles. That's David, That's not true, though. I mean, they've lost two. They've lost two of them, and I don't know, man, I feel dumb. I feel dumb going against the I think Tom Brady's the best quarterback ever.

And I mean Bill Belichick's awesome. Everybody knows that. But you better not say no, don't even how do how don't even say it? How the Giants? How the Giants win those two? What they have defensive had a pretty nasty pass rush, didn't they Just saying, Man, these Eagles,

these Eagles front sevens gross in a good way. And I don't trust Nick Foles, but if they can run the ball with a giant and blown and you get a few sacks and maybe get a sack fumblers, I just kind of feel like the Eagles might win this game. I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy, but it's just kind of You're not the only person that's saying that. I heard other people say it, and you're absolutely right, Like

it's not and it's not. It's not just like they have like this one badass in They've got like eight guys who get after the passer. And when the Patriots have lost in the Super Bowl, it's been because the defensive front for the other team, the Giants, was appreciably better and they beat Brady up. As long as the Boys has that. You think the Cowboys have ever been a Super Bowl winning team's last loss? Like, like, it's a good question. I lost to the Cowboys then they

won Super Bowl. Definitely wasn't a shutout. Yeah, I know that game doesn't matter six nothing, baby, But it's like, after that game, you can still not looking them like they're gonna go win. So you're going for the Eagles too. Oh, I'm not going for the Eagle, make no mistake about it. I have never ever in my life rooted for the Patriots. I will be rooting for the Patriot. Who do you think is gonna win? Yeah? I think the Patriots ultimately win, just because I say, do you think it's gonna be?

I still believe Belichick is just so good. I just don't think the Eagles have enough to beat him. Yep. So that's that's kind of how I look at it, and that's that's probably the safe pick because you look at history and history says that that's usually what happened. So says the Eagles don't wines are full. That's a good point. That's a great point. All Right. We appreciate you guys. You want us to be back next Wednesday.

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