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The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break. Yeah, and so much for that. It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys, good morning. Today is December twenty nine, Friday, December twenty nine. I'm taking over today's show because mister Derek Hilton just

had too much of un last night. He is here today, though. Enjoy your birthdast I did enjoy my birth. Yeah, everybody, you're feeling okay today? Yeah? I texted Amber last night. It was like, you think you can manage hosting the show tomorrow? It might not be in the best state of frame, state of mind. A few too many Tito's and soda water water I drate as I drink. I feel like that text happened, like as the guy standing there like do you want another, sir, and You're like

hold on, no, actually yeah, okay yea. As me and SE's are about to leave, we were like uber, it was like yeah, And I was like oh, let me make a text. So I was like, yeah, it's probably a good time to go ahead and let somebody know. Well, we're just glad that you made it out of life and your present. We're glad that you are responsible too. I am responsible all the time. Well, Amber made it clear too. She was like, you know, Uber, you guys make no she said, make sure no drinking and driving.

I was like, yeah, we're going Uber. We're doing it Uber everywhere, Uber everywhere. Okay, Well, I wanted to start off with talking about some of the guys in on the injury report. One of them standing out that we spoke about yesterday a lot was that's Brian. So now he shows up on there with a knee injury, Jasmine demand that wasn't tendonitis? Wasn't that happens? So this first

time he's been the injury report. No, no, no, okay, no, I think that needs to be cleared up a little bit too, Like he has been on the injury report for three weeks, right, Yeah, So it's not the worst thing that he said that that that comment, I mean, he probably shouldn't have. He was just always full right limited for a little while back around. He's missed some time late October early November. He had nothing serious. Well, yeah, I mean he didn't miss into games. Yeah, it's probably justified,

and he's and he's right. It just it was just poor timing to say it. Then. It's just not a good time to say, well, I've had knee injuries. Nobody wants to hear all that, you know, not in not on December twenty seven. I mean, I saw a guy that broke his hand in the middle of a game as a wide receiver, and he dropped five passes, and he was crucified for dropping five passes. Teo, he broke his hand, No one cares. I mean whatever, very catch the ball. So I mean, yeah, your knee hurt, whatever,

I get it. You're not as explosive as you were. But he's still all still hitting you in the face, still hitting me in the hands. I mean, you know, the whole thing has been off a little bit for him, a lot of it. It Actually, are you guys feeling that this is any indication that he might sit out on Sunday? Well, I was about to say, I mean, this isn't a coincidence, right, This feels very strongly like a message to me by whom, yeah, and for whom who?

By Jason Garrett, for Dez Bryant. I mean that, I mean to not be on the report at all, to practice fully on Wednesday, to say Wednesday afternoon, Yeah, I've had a knee issue all the year, and then to sit down for practice with a knee just the next day. It doesn't feel like a coincidence. Yes, no, No, You're right about that. It doesn't. I mean, it doesn't feel like a coincidence. I don't know if I had necessar early by that it's Jason sending that message, or could

it be the opposite? Could it be? Could it be Dez? That's like how I can't go. I need to rest it it could it could be, Although I mean he said he also said Wednesday he said I consider myself a warrior, and if I can move and I can walk, then I'm going to be out there. So that kind of clashes with his own statement. Well, I don't know. I don't know for sure, and I'm sure Jason Garrett will be asked about it today, but that the timing

is interesting. I mean, I don't I don't know if that would qualify as a benching or what but to have him not be at practice the day after talking about suddenly he didn't say anything that would get him benched though, right, I don't know. I like I like Nick said, I mean, you've been battling this problem for the whole season. But does anybody want to hear that right now? Like if you've been going through these games and then say, oh, yeah, by the way, I've been hurt.

I mean I could see that, rubbin people. I'm just saying he implied some things like we talked about yesterday. Did he did not really come out and say anything. I don't think that was all that controversial. I think it. It kind of came off maybe a little bit as excuse making, But yeah, I don't think. I don't think he said anything. I didn't read it as anything that I was like, oh, wow, coach is gonna have a problem with that. I didn't, but maybe you guys did.

I didn't think so at the time. But again, for the third time, it's really interesting timing that twenty three hours after he said that he wasn't on the practice field after being full of the day before that, like he wasn't even on the report. Yeah, and then they add him to the report and he doesn't practice at all, I don't know. We'll see, I mean, see what happens today. Well, and also it might just be them protecting themselves too, you know, from we did that for a reason. That's

a good point too. I mean, you know, because you get guys. You know the way it is now if you don't report guys on the injury report, and you know, and the guy says he's hurt, he says it on Wednesday, Well then maybe he's hurt. Let's hold him out. Then. If he's gonna tell the world that he's hurting, then let's set him out. Yeah, I mean, I think it is a true message. I'm interested to see what he does.

I mean, like I said, he practiced fully Wednesday, so I would assume he's in a good spot where he could play in this game. But we'll see what he does today. And I don't like, is it gonna play very interesting? It's And yeah, I always there's always gotta like, there's always gonna be something to keep the intrigue going, Like they're not gonna make the playoffs. But now we're doing this whole dance with this right now, I'm gonna

we're not hosting Eric, you can't. No, no, I was gonna ask this question, if we're gonna go down the path of maybe this I don't want to call it a conspiracy theory, but if we're gonna go down the path of yeah, I did um. But if we're gonna go down that path, could this possibly be a situation where the Cowboys are deciding let's sit him because we're gonna have contract conversations with him and we don't need him hurt. I mean, could that be part of it?

I don't what is being hurt? Really? What does that really matter? If if he let's say, this is what Dave was saying yesterday, the reason why you don't play your best players in a game like this is because they get injured. And the kind of injury that you could get could be an injury that holds a guy out all during the off season and into training camp and maybe even the next season. Do you can are you concerned about that? For players Let's say, and let's

not even just say Dez. Let's say this is a player that actually has a contract that's coming up, or a guy that you're gonna have to make a decision on it's in the last year. Yeah, exactly do you do you? Maybe does that affect your decision making on whether you let that guy play or not because you don't want him hurt in a situation where you're trying to negotiate a content hasn't shown enough the season at least, he hasn't done anything to make me want to say, Okay,

let's we know what he's all about. I feel like this game he should go out there and try to give it all he got and try to, you know, change some people's mind even though it's just you're big on You're big on like rewards. Yeah, like reward good behavior. You don't deserve a day off. Yeah, I mean I like it. But like you, I think I know where

days going with this. So when you were when he was talking about like a hitchens a guy getting hurt, or would you play him like that only hurts the player, it doesn't hurt the Cowboys helps their negotiating position maybe, I mean yeah, I mean, if let's say des were to get hurt in this game or whatever, and then that's a good point. And then you get into it, it's like, well, okay, do you want to take a pay cut. You know, as you're not you're not practicing

right now, you're gonna rehab for a while. No, I'm not taking a pay cut. Well okay, well we're probably gonna release you then. And now now you gotta go with crutches to go visit these other teams, and that might hurt his you know, negotiations as well. It can hurt the Cowboys too. I'm number ninety, he's out there, he's coming up on a contract negotiation. You probably want to franchise him. He gets himself hurt, what are you gonna do there? And then now you're talking about you

don't have your best pass rusher for next season. It's a good point because if you're talking about a franchise tag, now you're doing a franchise tag, and maybe you got a franchise tag on a guy that may not be able to play at So you're like, well, we're gonna spend a franchise tag on a guy that's going to be rehabbing all year, or are we going to sign into a long term deal knowing he'll be hurt for the beginning of it and as good as he's looked

this year, like he could still probably get a nice deal, even with teams knowing that he'll be out for twenty eighteen. But that's just my point. It complicates things. Yeah, and so we start thinking about it from that standpoint. Yesterday I was completely against what you were saying. Today, in that context thought about it, I would actually think a little bit more. And that doesn't mean I changed the concept,

but I maybe think about a little bit more. If there were guys that I'm kind of thinking about contract situations for the offseason. Maybe, Again, these guys are assets. Their job. Their job is to play football, but their job is to help you be good at football. They can't really do that on Sunday, but they can do it next year. Yeah, that's my whole point. Yeah. But also, do you feel like that Jerry Jones has gone up to Jason Garrett and said, you are coming back, coach.

Don't worry about any of this stuff. You're coming back. He said it in the media. Okay, but do you think he's pulled him into his office and said that, if you just had to guess, I don't think so. I don't. I don't know, Okay, I don't know their relationship. I'm just saying, but if you're Jason Garrett, like, and you need to win this game. I mean you need to win it. So yeah, I think so you think that this game can make can ultimately make a decision as to whether he's here or next year or not.

I think it helps to win on a you know, to in the season on a winning note. I think that you know, he doesn't probably know one. He's coming back, so he's gonna play these guys. They're gonna go and win. And what have we heard about Jason Garrett from a number standpoint, But everyone always puts a label on him eight Nate, I'm telling you what, I'll be damned if I go eight and eight this year. I'm gonna win this damn game. We're gonna win. We're gonna beat the Eagles.

We're gonna have a winning record. We're gonna go nine to seven. They might win the super Bowl, but we beat them. And I would go play this game and that for any other reason. I'm like, our guys are gonna and strong and we're gonna play. Well, that's that's the point I was making yesterday that that's just his mantra.

That's always been his mantra. Is every day we show up and no matter what, until they tell us to stop playing, we're gonna keep playing, right, So, I mean, yeah, that's his that's his thing, and I wouldn't expect anything less from him. Everybody gets it. Everyone. I understand his point, he understands our point. And when the guy gets carted off the field, he Dave's gonna be like, that's where I know he's gonna have that saving little smirk on

his face. I would not smirk about something. Smirk, but I mean just kind of like I told you guys, it's gonna happened. What I was telling Naked about daring my fat in trying to catch his cell phone. Yeah, you can get hurt any way, Like you can get hurt outside of I hate that argument so much because like, yeah, you can get hurt crossing the street, you can get hurt doing anything you paintball. No, you can get hurt in week one. Like, but but you're in control of

the finite amount of things. So take control of one of the things that you're in control of. You know, you can hold be so funny if you just don't play them. And then as they're walking out to the field and they're sweats. They slip and fall and break something, right, that's life. This thing is scary because Seattle last year, like he was adamant about not playing Tony Romo. Remember that.

Oh yeah, it goes down. Um, let's quickly talk about Orlandos Kendrick, who has been out for a while with the backing trees now back to a limited and it sounds like he's just out. Yeah. So there was a lot of talk to the media and it was kind of interesting, a lot of um implications of him possibly not being here next year. Wait, des talk yesterday. What do you say? He said? A bunch of stuff, he said,

hold on, yeah, come over here. To be ironical, not to put in house business out in public, but like it was a hell of an afternoon for our cms to go down because there's like all kinds of stuff coming out of that greatness coming out of that locker room. Yeah. So it seemed though, I saw so many reports like it seemed like it was almost a foregone conclusion He's not here next year, or at least that's the way the story seemed to be written in so many different publications,

like he's not coming back. Well, remember at the beginning of this year during free agency kind of there was a talk about that whole thing of and him very being very offended and having to talk with I think it was Jerry like and Jerry had to come out and be like, no, you're gonna be here, blah blah blah. Do you guys expect this for or for this to

actually happen this year? Well, you know, his contract is really favorable to the Cowboys and so, and I haven't I haven't been one that's that's really been gung ho about the corners that are playing right now. I think that they're they're they're young, they're they're scrapping, They're they're doing the best they can. But you know, they have given up some some plays as well. I mean, and so I don't think that they they're ready. I mean,

Scandrick should be out there. I know he's hurt, but I'm just saying Scandrick is the is still the best cornerback. I think that they have. I believe that, you know, I don't close. I don't think I'm as down on these young cornerbacks as you are. I think neither. I think they've given up. They've given up some plays. But yeah, that's that's what quarterbacks are not going to be perfect. These are not is not none of them are deon

I know. And so I look at it and say, I actually feel pretty good about where they are right now, about the quarterback position without Scandrick. I'm not saying I don't feel good, but I think looking forward, I think you've got a couple of guys that that you know, you had to They didn't make the playoffs either way, so you got to learn. These guys got to play on the run, uh and and learn and and you know, they've get given up some some game winning touchdowns, they've

given up some plays, but they keep fighting. I think Jordan Lewis is I think Jordan Lewis is probably the most talented guy back. Yes, I actually think Cheetos a guy like the most out of them. I would move him to safety. But personally, I like break the tide Dave Oh. I like Cheeto at corner, and I think he's the most physically gifted. But I think Jordan's got that like it think that you need to have to play corner. I'm not saying Cheeto doesn't, but I've seen

it more from Jordan. Yeah. Um, but I mean Cheeto, He's he's freakishly athletic. I mean, and he's got he's got good size. I like him at corner. If if if safety is that big of a deal, which I think it is, I would draft a guy. But anyway, I kind of think you could flip the Byron Jones and and Cheeto and do it in the off seat. I don't want to see Byron at corner. Well, where

do you want to see him? I want to see him question play one more year the Bears one one more year as like a dime nickel hybrid guy, and let him ben and then I agree, well, or or depending on what his market is, maybe you bring him back like you did mo on a on a very agreeable But that's that's the point. Like right now, he hasn't done anything in my opinion to earn the starting job. He hasn't done anything in my opinion, to earn a new contract, a next contract. So he's got another year.

Let's see what happens, and then if if he has a great year, then maybe you reevaluate it. I just don't think i've seen anything yet that suggests that either at corner or when he's played at corner when he's played a safety. To me, he's been just a guys like Combine was the greatest thing that ever happened to him, because if he doesn't go to the Combine, he's probably a third round pick. It just just because he's a you know, Yukon and don't know really where to play him.

But he's a pretty good athlete and all that, and then and then it would everything would work. Then he could be a special teams type guy. Nickel guy goes around flipping around doing that great play a little bit at safety, not be a starter, just kind of nobody. Nobody would care that this is his role on the team if he wasn't a first round Yeah, it's like

JJ Wilcox type stuff. But probably would be better if Byron Jones was doing what he's doing as pick number eighty, which I think JJ was, he would go great about it. He would be a fan favorite. There's no doubt. Okay, guys, let's go ahead and take our first break. When we come back, we're gonna discuss possible roster moves or guys, I may go into the injury reserve list. Yes, we'll be back. It can be hard to find the right

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Now I didn't check out. I'm here Texas gets that big win against big bad MISSOI, and you're just sporting the long horn everywhere you're going out, sported it last week before the game. You're okay that your head coach just mocking love it because do you know the backstory of it? Not really well, the fact that he did

it earlier in the game. No, the fact that the fact that Missouri started all this the day before at the din luncheon, was doing the horns down and talking about how when they score they're gonna do the horns down and all this, and before the game they're taking pictures doing horns down and all right, that's cool, hey, but if you can hand it out, then you gotta be able to take you back. I agree, nobody loves trash talk more than I do. But like, leave it

for the players. Let the players do it. It's it's not a great look for the coach to do it. Coach. All I could say, though, is forty five year old band who made it out eight million dollars a year. When you give it out. You gotta be trash talk is the best, but like leave it to the twenty something and then just laugh when they do it, right, Yeah, yeah, give the but there going to be any discipline for those guys now, he liked, no, sir. He wandered around

the sideline for like ten minutes. He was used to do it too, he was he was so much. But you know, sometimes coaches do crazy things in college because they're trying to and over win over their teams. It's a good win. So it was a good win. They played pretty well. I was impressed. Hell if you can carry it over, Okay, we'll happen next year. I know. But let's start off with guys that may be placed on I R. Who are you guys expect? Well, Sandrid, we talked about Scandrick. I think he is gonna sounds

like Scandrick's heading to IR. It sounds like Tyrant Smith is heading to IR. Which we could have told you these things. Well, we could have told you these things on Monday. But for it's all, it's got to be like an end of the week state secret. For some reason other than that, any specific guys I you would be wanting to see go to ir theyve wants the whole starting line up. Yes, I do, you have to just put them on Sean You're out of here. Um,

I think it's just those two. I mean, they're not gonna put a ton of guys on I R because that I mean, that's more guys you have to pay. Yeah, now you're starting to pay a roster of fifty because you got to bring somebody up and so so bring up Lance Lenore and Kadeem Edwards. Sounds like the guys that are getting elevated. They've been here since camp, both of them. Hey, like third preseason game, third preseason game.

I was like, hey, Dave, do you do you expect the final game of the season, lance Lenore is going to be playing in the game against the Eagles. I think we spent all of preseason waiting for then email that lance Lenore had been cut because he couldn't hold onto any punts like he was. They kept putting him out there to return punts. But he did have a nice touchdown again, that's true. He did have a deep, he had a big he had a long bomb from

Cooper the goat Rush. Yeah, you guys, Cooper the goat Rush you know, we didn't talk to us again at all. I mean, I'm not saying obviously I'm he's gonna play, But how are you guys feeling with his condition right now? This is interesting because you know, if you follow the NFL, you know that this happens with kickers. They have these moments when, for whatever reason, sometimes it's just inexplicable, they just go through these periods where they start missing a

really good kickers right. A lot of times it starts just like this, with an injury. Get an injury, you come back, you're trying to figure out how to you know, kick through it or whatever. And it happened with Nick Folk here. Nick Folk was a Pro Bowl kicker a rookie year, and then he gets hurt and it just isn't the same, and then he gets in your head and then that's right, you guys are bumming me out

right now. No, And it just happens like That's the part that you have to worry about if you're the Cowboys, is you know, good thing is just at the end of the season, so he has an offseason to kind of get himself right. But yeah, it happens, and you see really good kickers. I'm look at how much like right now, if you're going to look around in the NFL, a lot of really good kickers are kicking for other teams.

The reason why is because they went through that moment where they just weren't for whatever reason, they just got off and they couldn't get back. A kicker of all time, they'd be a Hall of Fame kicker, maybe a Hall of Fame. But do you guys feel that this might be something just more mental for him? Yeah, but that's that's the point. Yeah. I mean, you know, eleven years ago, remember the Cowboys signed Mike Vanderjack in two thousand and six.

He was the greatest kicker of all time and a head case he was, and he couldn't he was mental. He couldn't make any more kicks. It definitely is because the leg. I don't think the leg goes, it's just like it's just some how it definitely doesn't go. Because Adam Van Terry is still drilling him at your age and that's not an exaggeration, but he I'm trying to say that forty five year old to be an NFL player, That's what I'm trying to do. But he went through.

I mean and after the game I talked to to Dan for a while actually, and he was in better spirits than than I thought he would be much better spirits than he was after the Giants game and he had those those kicks. But you know, he was like, I'm I'm gonna be fine. You know, I'm gonna be now. He was disappointed that he felt like he let the whole team down and all the guys that worked so hard, and you know, but he um, you know he's shaking your head. He because no, but he his job is,

his job is to go make kicks. It just it just made me upset when I saw some tweets and about like oh Dan made us lose the game or blah blah blah blah. It's just stupid. That's it's it's you know, the guy hit three home runs than he has the final strikeout. Did he lose the game? Yeah? Or the only reason you had seven runs because of him? I mean, he had all of the points, right, you know, he didn't make six field goals. Okay, but but points.

But you expect him to make those kicks. It's unfortunate that they have you know, first and goal from the three and you have to kick a thirty eight yard field goal or whatever it was. Yeah, you shouldn't have to kick any field goals, but they might have scored and he kicks extra point and might have missed that because it's the same distance. Okay, so the Cowboys, Jason Garrett said that they're going into this game and try to win it. We know that this game doesn't matter really,

but who would be some guys? Are you? Guys are wanting to be watching at this game for the Cowboys? Yeah, specifically need to really impress us. I still want to see more from Byronbell just because they got to do something at swing tackle. I don't think Byron Bell had a horrible game last week, and I want to I want to see more of him to see is he good enough to be a solid swing tackle for this team, because I think you got to have a pretty good one.

And they're not just out there like that's the thing. They're really good. They're probably starting for somebody, So it's hard to find a good swing tackling. I think as a swing tackle you probably want a veteran. I would think, because the two guys you got there are going to

be solidified as your starters. So I want to see a little bit more Byron Bell so that or the I think the coaches should see a little bit more of him so that they can get a good handle on whether they think he can be the answer as your swing tackle. I don't think it's Jazz Green. I think after this year, Chazz Green might not be a

part of what they're doing. I wouldn't think maybe he is, who knows, let him finished out his contract at least through really, I mean, at least there's no reason to get rid of him until the training camps over at least, like what's might I mean, why, oh yeah, it's a training camps over. I just don't expect him to be on this team when the season gets here next year. Like I think last year, if what was what was the guy that six foot whatever, the tree skipper? Yeah,

do you cut? Do you cut him last year in favor? If you're going back into this and you had that guy somebody like him, do you cut him for the sake of chas? I think it's next year. At the end of the day, he's a veteran who can play guard and tackle, So I wouldn't bet against him just because of that. I'm not I don't know, but I'm just saying I don't know if I think he can play tackle anymore. I think he's been exposed as a tackle. Maybe he can play guard. I don't think he can

play tackle. I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of your eight, That's all I'm saying. Yeah, and I think he could he you know, make him a guard, whatever you do, just call him a guard. Just go make him a guard. Yeah. Yeah, But the problem is is that he's you know, Looney is better as far as a backup pending free agent. True, it's gonna be interesting, that's yeah. You could get him though for a pretty or deal if to Cowboys one, I would assume so. But yeah, I mean who knows, Yeah, who knows what

they want to do. Um, if you're gonna throw him out there, which I don't want to do, but if you're gonna throw him out there, I mean, I hope that can end on a high note. I mean, he's not he's he's not. To be clear, he's not in that Sean Lee Tyron Smith category where you're like, all right, you're you're good, You're an all pro like we know, you're a grot like he's still he's got a lot of improving to do, a lot of growing to do. He's far from a finished product as a quarterback. So

every every rep matters, especially a regular season rep. I mean, if you're gonna put him out there, I hope, I hope he can play well and then prove on some of the things he struggled with down the stretch. And Tyron won't be there. But I mean, if Zeke's out there with him and he's got at least a few of his starting receivers, I mean, we'll see what happens with Dez, but I mean he should have most of

the main players on his offense working with him. So, you know, I think about players that might affect the team to make decisions on the in the draft, and let's say they go first and second round and don't get a safety, well, you know whatever, you go any other round. You get to the third round, now you're get you're getting into players that may or may not start for you. You know, it's not a given that

you're gonna put them out there. That's where I think Xavier Woods has a chance to you know, if if he can end this season on a high note, if he's not going to be the reason you don't draft a guy in the first round. If you like it this safety, you're gonna take him. You have nobody out there. But if you get into the middle rounds and you're thinking, you know what, this guy may not be better than Xavier Woods. So I think, I know that sounds kind of weird, but I think Xavier Woods has a chance

to kind of do something here. Now. I don't believe there's anybody really that would that would say first round or any any positions corner maybe corner, But I still think if you're sitting at wherever you're gonna pick, and you have a corner, I think you take him. Even though the two guys you got, I still think you take it. Is there a position on this team where you can't where you're just like, I can't imagine taking a guy there? Probably running back. I don't know about that.

I get if Alfred's not going to be here next year, which we don't know him all on the draft or running back train, I think it needs to happen. But first round, Oh, I'm sorry, first round. Sorry, I thought you Yeah, I didn't hear that party the first round? Yeah, probably running back, running back. I think quarterback. I'm sure guy out there disagree. I think quarterback at nineteen. Yes, that's what I'm saying. That's that's where you're gonna be

our seventeen, whatever you're gonna be. I don't like the quarterback there. Now. If for whatever the reason this team was, maybe they had someone else's pick and they're sitting number two or three overall, yeah, I don't. I don't know if Dak is done. And I hate to say this but because it doesn't really matter, but I think if if you are sitting with a franchise type of quarterback up there, I think you'd have to make that decision. I still don't think you spend a first rounder on, say, like,

would you spend a first rounder on an offensive lineman? Man, I saw a mock draft. Maybe a guard, but kind of a tackle. Really, you take a tackle in first round if looks fine? I mean, well if I would prefer a guard. If yeah, but if ty a tackle that maybe you can play a guarding like like Amber's got tiring. But we'll see. For how many games we got, we got tours walking by out there. We can't just

be saying that. Lordy, you know, I don't know. I mean you're gonna resign lyle I guess at some point here, yea, what he's on a two year deal. It was a two year extension. Yeah, he's still got two years. Yeah, but probably not probably not tackle, but any spot on the defense, any spot that you think this guy's worthy of the pick. Yeah, I'm in because of the bodies. Would you spend a first rounder on a defensive end? I know, And I'm not saying that you can't use

a great one. I'm saying like, when you you still think about you spent a first round pick on tackle last year. If if it's ring it, keep bringing them. If he's clearly if he's clearly the best choice at that spot, then absolutely, I love But again, don't sorry. I just they did it. They had a couple of guys that were good players, and then they saw JPP and they're like, keep bringing them for good. I can't

have too many good pass rushers, no doubt. I was just gonna say, I mean, it doesn't always really matter why the position is, don't They usually just go with the best guy available or at least, that's what I think. I don't know. It is a it is a thing that people love to say, which Stephen Jones is even admitted, He's like, it's a great idea that is can be hard to follow when it comes down to nut cutting time, which you know you see that play out all across

the league. You're like, oh, yeah, but we really need that guy. I mean, this is a little better player. But was Taco inarguably the best player available at twenty eight. Probably not, But they knew that the back end was loaded with corners and safeties that they could get later. So I mean Kevin Kings, one of the guys you TuS talked about that maybe they should have taken there because he was a better player, but they knew that they couldn't get a guy like Taco if tackle's caliber

a defensive end. Second right, I'm convinced that that draft was all about Dallas knew the other teams were not going to touch Jordan Lewis, not where they were going to take him. They knew that they could get Jordan Lewis because they had done their homework. They liked what what they you know, what they obviously what they saw from him, and they felt confident about the story He's

gonna be he was gonna be available. So they some teams took him off their board and they didn't and they know that, like they call around for for weeks saying this guy in the box is he off the board? So they knew they could get Jordan Lewis. Yeah. So, and I think that affected the Kevin King not taking him getting in there and and going in the third round. And you know what, I don't know what who else is playing well, you know Corner in the third round.

But you know Taco is playing pretty damn well over the month. Yeah about it. I'm not looking like I directed. That was directed that drop in a while, directed into the microphone to all those listeners haters out there. It's good to see some progress. He's playing pretty well. I mean that was kind of the point of my question though, is because of the way he's played, and obviously you

still got you would think they're gonna do something. I would I don't think DeMarcus Lawrence is going There's no way they were gonna let him walk out of the door. Benson, Han, what plays a lot for you so you could replace? So if you if you had just another guy, if even if it was the first round, do you feel pretty good about that, because again, you're rotating anyway. As good as you feel about him right now, you can remove the tyrone Crawford back to tackle right and oh

my god, I don't do that. We'll talk about that if and if and when that ever happen at training camp, If and when that ever happens, we'll have that conversation. Then I'm not having that conversation. He'll be at training camp. Maybe, how do you know? Maybe I mean, like we don't know that. Well, there's nothing you can say with certainty when it comes to that situation. Okay, but I mean yeah, I'm just saying all right, But I mean, why would he not be because he hasn't been reinstated by league.

Maybe he's not. Maybe he's not. Maybe he has not met all of the stipulations they need him to meet in order for him to get reinstated. I don't know, as I as I update on where he is, as I understand it, like, this isn't just like a suspension where when it's over you come back, right. You have to be and stated by the NFL. So that's up to them. Yeah, so yeah, I just don't. I don't know at this point anything more than the average person out there about Randy Gregory. So I'm gonna assume until

the league says, yeah, you're ready to go. I know that he's not coming back. I know this. We put Randy Gregory in a headline for a mail bag, it gets a lot more, a lot more clearly. All right, let's start talking about the Eagles. We sorry Eagles. Oh yeah, so this thing we don't We don't necessarily know who they're gonna play exactly while players are gonna be available for that game. But we do know that the Cowboys

are trying to win this game. And if so, who would be some of the guys that the Cowboys should be aware of and kind of on the lookout. Well, they have six running backs that they play like regularly. Only a couple of good ones. Huh. I don't know, but I just know every time that somebody's running the ball. Not only that, but they play I think they play or tight ends if you count, if you count, is mac Hollins a tight end? No, he's a receiver. Um looks like one. They got Trey Burton sellec and Um,

Hurts are the three big ones. They probably have a four. It's been hurt some, so that may be what you think it'd have been. Hurts. Hurt's been hurts. Hurts. Yeah, hurts and hurts. It's not drinking from last night. Yeah yeah, okay, one path yards would have got me two points Hurts were back on Fantasy Now Yeah it's over, Nick, it's over. Just let it go. I just I want I just want Fletcher Cocks. I'm trying to killing it. I want Fletcher Cox and Timmy jurn again to sit out of

this game. Um, that'd be nice. They have the first of all, they have the potential to stop Zeke and they have the potential to hurt back. I don't like either one of those ideas, So just get get them out of there. Don't play, don't play? Um what No, Just hand me that. Who's the bet of those two is? If Fletchercox the best guy? Yea, Fletcher Cox, He's a madman choice. Do you know, Dave the draft order where it stands and what could happen with wins losses? It

too hard to tell. It's hard to figure out because I didn't know that, like throw head to head and all that type of stuff out the window. And you're talking about draft order, it's only record and your strength of schedule, and so it's hard. It's gonna be a log jam of like seven and nine, eight and eight and nine and seven teams, and it's hard to know. Yeah, it's hard to figure who's got the best to range right now? Do you know the range right now? Eight

and eight to nine and seventeens they're picking. They're picking nineteenth right now, and depending on what happens this weekend, I think they could climb as high as sixteen, maybe fifteen, but no higher than that. How far down could they drop if they can't go any further than twenty, No, they can't go nineteen because either the Falcons or the Seahawks are gonna make the playoffs, So they're nineteen is the worst? Sixteen Maybe fifteen is the best, Probably sixteen.

It's those four So like, really, I mean people are sitting like, oh, they gotta lose and get a better dress, Like is nineteen and sixteen? Is it really that big of a deal. Somebody's gonna come and say it is, because well, I mean, yeah, I believe and in twenty fourteen, Aaron Donald went fourteenth and Odell Beckham went thirteenth. Wait wait, wait no, no, I'd let me Aaron Donald. Yeah he went fourteenth. Yeah, it's yeah, it wasn't right in front

of the Cowboys. Here's the if it wasn't that it was. I thought he was like eighth, No he was. He might have been twelfth. He might have Okay, he was in that rage. But so the difference between a win and a loss can matter. But it's hard for me to sit there and mf the Cowboys for that because they drafted Zach Martin, like they got the best guard in football. Like, Okay, you didn't get Odell and you didn't get Aaron Donald. Yeah, that was a deep draft.

That was extremely draft, and especially first round. Hey, trust me, I would prefer that they lose this game. But I don't think it's going to be the end of the world if they pick eighteenth because they win. I mean, what about the momentum and that they can't Yeah, when these guys get back to the facility in mid March, they're gonna have a lot of momentum from this game or a winning team. All right, guys, let's go ahead

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John Undos? Right? No, No, I have kind of a really bad story about that. I was gonna I thought you're gonna say you still wear under? Still kind of haunts me to this day. Can you tell us you want to talk about it on the radio. I don't really want to talk about it, seriously. I'd love to hear the story. Tell me at least maybe I'll tell you, but I don't have to tell Like, you know, Rob Vegas about it. Oh my gosh, He's the only color I could think of, because you get it all the time. Still,

we do have a caller Danny in Hawaii. Oh Hey, what's up? Hey? How are you guys doing? Doing great? Um? You know, I would have used this game as like you know, um using more combinations of I mean, I know they did them some this year, but I would like to see it a little more ended with Ryan Switzer and and I'm Beasley on the field together, or like you know, put Zeke and Rod Smith in the in the backfield together, you know, like just to get things spread around and one more thing is like you know,

with the whole dead situation. Sometimes I go crazy watching TV if there's a cornerback backing off. Why don't this um just dumped the ball off to him, you know, like this, give him that little wink and destroy it off because you know, one thing he's dominating at is running the ball. You know. That's the way I sometimes scream at the TV's like they're backing up. Hike the ball and throw it. You know, it's like stuff like that.

And um also for nick Um. I know one thing about this draft what I'm liking is the big number one fatty number one technique Vita via Wilkins. You know those kind of guys. Yeah, that's you know, number one technique, you know, because he's got it all right, thank you for the um. It's like early in Hawaii, isn't it the six hours behind it? Some Oh it's four am over like it's six hours behind, right, I think I thought I thought it was always six. I thought it's

it's early, really early. It's early over there, that's all I know. Even if they're only four hours behind, which know that they're way more than four hours behind. But anyway, Yeah, there are some good defensive tackles in this class on technique. Would you spend a first round pick on a one technique if he was the man of this defense, I don't think they would, but they needed they need defense if they did that. Do you think Malie Collins didn't

is your three technique? Because this year he played a lot of one. He was at he was not. He was better at one than he was at three. For the most part. I've been disappointing this year. Yeah, I think we thought he would. We think the injury has been part of it. Yeah, it's even on the injury port all season pretty much most of the seas. I don't and I think that, yeah, part of it. I think so too. I wouldn't. I mean your foot, you

talk about creating power and leverage. I mean that's what you need and taking double teams sometimes when you're doing that. But like, you know, it's what we've always talked about, Like he's he's his body type's not really for one, you know, not everybody's Jay Ratliffe. Yeah, and I say that with respect to him, Like we didn't think he was big enough Jay, you know, to to do anything that does it. Like, regardless how big or not you are,

it's the best rebounder in NBA history. Rodman does he look like he would be the best rebounder, and oh but he was great. He was crazy sometimes great. Yeah, crazy helps, I would doubt I mean crazy, I think I don't be as he bucks his eyes, I think crazy. I don't know if that's there's a there's a d tackle front coming out of Washington that might have been who he was talking about. And then the kid coming out of Clemson is there's somebody at a Stanford that

y'all were talking about. I don't remember. Off the top of mine, I'm not I'm not all the way there yet. Like Brian's already like thirty guys in and I'm like, let me get, let me get to let me get through the season. Speaking of defensive tackles, is irving up after this year? He's a restricted free agents. Has anything that's happened recently change your opinion on what they should tender what they should offer him as a tender My opinion or their opinion. Both start with their opinion. I

they're gonna tender him. You have absolutely gonna tender you have I'm saying, does it affect where they would so, just there's only three options for people out there who aren't familiar, and I think we've talked about it before, but just in case, we also had a couple of weeks ago, just for clarity's sake, we all said first round tender. Right, what I'm asking is does it continue

with it? And they say, you can offer him a first round tender, which means any team that wants to sign him would have to give you a first round pick and be it out your offer like you have the ability to match. Second round tender is the same thing, but it's a second round pick. Then the third option is original draft spot, which is not an option for David Irving because he wasn't drafted. So essentially, if somebody beats out, you're if you're not willing to match their contract,

they get him and you get nothing in return. Right, so that's out of the question. Let's put some money values on that too the last year and they will go up a little bit. Say it was it's four millions, but first it'll be about four this year for the first round, and then second round was like two eight to nine. That's what you have to guarantee. In the contrast, that's what his contract will be, a one year, two point eight million for a second round tender. I think

that's the way they go second round. I kind of leaned that way. I think I would still be willing to go first because four million dollars in the grand scheme of things is not a lot of money. Seven sacks and he hasn't played in the last month, that's true. So he's and he hadn't played in the first month. Yeah, I mean, oh geez, so basically have seven sacks. It's

got seven seven sacks and eight games. What you say, yeah, all right, now, are you at all concerned with the fact that even before he got injured, there was some games there when it just like he was not necessarily getting sacks Like he seems to me to be the kind of guy that's like feast or famine. He can have some games that he's just just so disruptive and you can't do anything with him, and other games where it's like, did he was he on the stat sheet?

I think does that concern you at all? I think he's he's so rawly talented and freakishly athletic that he can do stuff like that. I think he's got a

long way to go. This is an unfair comparison, but he's he's a lot like Rico Gathers a little bit, I think, just in terms of like, again it's not a totally just comparison, because like David Irving's played more football than he has, but like he's just this freakish guy who in terms of like the Rod Marinelli stuff, like the intricacies of football, like I feel like he's barely touched tapped into that, Like he's just now getting to that in his third year, but he's so freakishly talented.

Was Irving drafted, No, he was an undrafted free agent. He signed with Kansas City Because I know, and it's kind of a weird rule, but if you are drafted by somebody else and then you go to the you know, to another team, you are like if you could put an original drafting or it's it's whatever you were drafted at, not what you got him at, so that that's off

the table because you wouldn't get any competition. Honestly, Like, I hope somebody, if it's not a deep blue, I hope somebody does a thirty for thirty about him at some point, assuming he keeps playing football, because like just the fact that he's even here is one of the most fascinating. I mean, he comes out of this like tiny little high school. He wound up at Iowa State,

got kicked out. Like there's a whole litany of back off field, backstory things there that like, like I think he might have played like twenty snaps for his entire college career. And did you know he's a theater guy. Yeah, Oh that was remarkable to me when I found that. That's where I was going to go next. Like he talked about it this season, like he's he's into acting. He kind of wants to do that. He was I think he was in like a like a C list

movie or something like that. And he does some theater work, like he's he's actually done some work in theater. I never covered Marty b but I kind of get that vibe from him, No, I do, though, Like I mean, really, yes, Marty Bee's you know, he's he's a cartoonist and he's

interested in way more stuff than football. He's not He's not that football player that you can like put into that box where it's like, well, at eight a m. I go to meetings and then I go to practice, and then I watch my tape and then I go home and I watch more of my tape and I go to bed and I do it again and I dream about it. Yeah, that aint David Irving. And I think there's still a nipple ring out there. That's why he's good with the media, because actors love cameras. Somewhere

it's still out there. Like he's an interesting guy. He is. He is a free spirit in a in a lot of good ways and in some regards in bad. I mean, he didn't report a concussion that he got during a game, and that's part of the reason why he's not playing right now. All that type of stuff. So he played well, he did, he did. He's not the most reliable guy

in the world. Football teams love reliable guys, and I like, I think about all that stuff, and I'm like, well, maybe maybe they put a second round tender on him. And you know, they either they get to keep a good player who is not totally reliable, or if somebody wants to give him a second round pick for him, then we get a great pick and we kind of get this sort of unreliable you know what I'm not

I'm not doing the second round tender. Actually, I'm gonna do the first round because it's only a million dollar difference. It's about four or three or you know, two eight or something like that. I'm gonna do that because nobody's really gonna drop there, even if it's the thirtieth pick. No one's gonna do that for David Irvy. But someone will do the sixtieth pick exactly, because that's what That's what the Cowboys did. They wanted Gregory at twenty eight,

but they said, Noah, let's just don't do that. But at sixty, yeah, we can do that. I agree. I would put the first round tender on him because I think that almost assures that scares people. But but back up a second. If you were to get somebody told you right now that you could, they would trade you David Irving for a second round pick. Would not be okay with that, not not late second. How do these second round picks? I know, I get that, but the

second round pick is valuable. It's for other teams. Sure, seriously, you have no effective tackle who can who can bend the way he does and dominate games at times. And like I just said, I get that, but I don't know if I you've just been saying he's not reliable. So if he's not reliable and somebody's offering you a

second round pick for him, that's not a win. That's what I well, I don't I only have to deal with David Irving, like the one time a week that he talks and then during the games, and he plays well, So it seems worth it to me. Maybe it's not worth it to the people that have to work with him all day, every day, and that's may And that's why I think they probably will put a second round tender on him because they line up more with what

you're saying where. But from my perspective, where I'm just a writer that watches him and sees him get sacks, I think he's worth the first round tender. And he makes the defensive lines so much better. I mean, just having him there, it just helps the Marcus Lawrence, everyone else I've he's his presence is just really good on the field. How how frustrating would that be if I mean, you know, last year you let Burry Church and Brandon Cargo. You're We're like, all right, we don't need that, We're

not spending money on that. We're gonna bring in these young guys, and they've been pretty good, but you've seen some noticeable drive off. You don't have playmakers on this defense, do you. But they weren't playmakers last year either. Let honestly, would you agree with that? He's still saying, yeah, you don't have hendymakers on these defense. So you find this guy and develop him into and he's just tapping into what he can do. Like I said, he's still learning

a lot about football. And he goes out, he gets seven sacks, he helps to Marcus Lawrence set a career high most sacks on this defense since twenty thirteen. And then you're just like, ah, we'll find somebody else. We'll get a second round pick in here. That's counterintuitive, but we're also forgetting one part of that. Step two. You issue the tender, a team goes out and they sign him to an offer sheet. The Cowboys have the ability. It's true, absolutely yeah, not just out the door. Right.

That's that's a really good point that I didn't meant. Just so even and the Broncos did this with C. J. Anderson last year. The Dolphins offered him whatever eighteen million I think or something. The Broncos came back and We're like, no, we want you, we're keeping you, and they offered him. I don't know how much more. Was last year or maybe two years ago, I don't I don't even remember

it ever happening. I'm just thinking after they knew that they didn't want Jhi E last year or right oh, the Dolphins, Dolphin might it might have been two years ago. I don't remember off the top of my head, but I know they did that. They met like they've been Dolphins offer. Yeah, it hadn't happened much since I've been here. I want to say Keith Davis maybe safety. I think Saint striged, you know, and they matched it, but it

hadn't been a lot. I just Cowboys actually do something kind of different when it comes to free agents, a restricted free agents that they really like, they'll they'll I forgot what they're what they do, but it's almost like

they just extend him. They just buy out that restricted year and they extend him another year, so they still get the money in the pocket and they don't have to go through the restricted So they may do something like that's sign Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what they just did with Lyle because since he was undrafted free agent. He would have been restricted free this year and that they guys extended him, and now he is on that

contradict at this point with David Irving. They can't do that, right because once the is it, once the season's over, they can't do anything until free agency begins. I believe so, but I don't know. They could do it, and they can do it, but they can do it before free agency begins. I think. So, yeah, you becomes you can negotiate with those guys. It never happens because by the time you get to January, you'd rather just go to

March and see what you can get. But yeah, arn't. Second, I was actually sitting at a basketball game, Arkansas and Kentucky basketball game, and they did that with one who won that game Arkansas. Really yeah, thank you, Happy birthday to me, Phil Costa. I remember Arkansas. No, Phil Costa was a restricted free agent, and they did that, and I'm sitting here at the game and I'm like about to watch Arkansas Kentucky and I'm like, wow, this is

finally I'm waiting. It's like a bucket list thing. And they get it's called They're like, we got Phil Costa signed to a two year extension and just like this is not messing up my day, Like no somebody else whilst a lot of guys but not Phil. I just I get I joked about this like a week or

two ago. I hope I'm not like sitting on a bus in Indianapolis in a couple of months and they're like, well, Taco really came on at the end of last year, so like we feel good about that, and like we got this draft pick, and it's like, can you build on what you have instead of just trying to get away just restart every year? And you know, Outsmart, I outthink yourselves seem like I'm I don't. I don't understand

what you're saying. I mean, like keep you found a good player, keep him here is what I'm trying to say, rather than letting guys walk because he's got another but if they were, if they were to let Irving leave, then they would be well, Taco had a great ye Like, Okay, we feel great about Jeff. He was awesome in the playoffs.

Like I kind of agree with you, like actually build on it, like, actually take those guys you got the are good, keep them and then get more good players, right, I'm all and like, I love the That's my one of my favorite things about the NFL was like the schematics of trying to efficiently and cheaply build your team. But at some point got to bite the bullet and be like, this guy's a good player, and we're going

to keep him here. Yeah, And I mean, like I said, I don't have to deal with him behind the scenes, but I think David Irving is a good enough player that he's worth that. And I think that that's a really big part of it. The Cowboys need to kind of figure that out too, because there's been a history of guys that that maybe you know, don't they're not all like Jason Witten, you know, they kind of do their own thing, and when that happens, they have to be really really good to get caught up in this.

If aolitics that that happened around this organization, because it happens, you would obviously prefer that all your players be Witten, Lee and Dak Like if every player was like that, and you wouldn't have any problems. But they're not. But the thing, like a lot of the guys who aren't like that are still really good and so right, make

it work. But I mean, that's that's it's just if if he wasn't rushing for sixteen hundred yards and jumping in the kettle and doing awesome, I mean, you know, it would be the Cowboys, they'd be scratching their head on what they want to do? Is he But he's so good that you do that. But there are guys that are not that good, that do their own thing and gotta go too. So it's all the time we have for today. When are we back Next Wednesday? Next? Yes,

next Wednesday. Actually next week we will be starting up our once a week show, so so we're not even gonna do like a rap or anything. That'll be our raping, all right. So the schedule will be on Monday, we'll have Hanging with the Boys, On Tuesday, we'll have Talking Cowboys, Wednesday is Cowboys Break, and on Thursdays we will have the Draft show. All the shows will be at eleven o'clock. Next week we'll be back on we'll start our Wednesday show.

Start next week. Yeah, next Thursday. I wasn't I wasn't consulted about that, but you don't want that to happen. I think people are ready for it. I know are They are so excited? Yeah, all right, do you want to do the owners with your eighteen? Have a great prosperous new year for Nick, even Dave helm At Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eels and this has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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