Cowboys Break: Trading Places?

of The Break. We are live from the s WBC Morgan Studios at the Star. Got a lot to get into today, some news from yesterday. We'll kind of recap um, and then we'll get into the New York Giant offense. The news that wasn't yeah right, A lot of build up for it. I mean, I think we were obviously a part of that that build up because we started talking about it and and I'm sure it kind of

that kind of fueled fans a little bit. But the point is, it was a lot of stuff to talk about yesterday with regards to Jamal Adams, and it ultimately nothing came of it, but it was still a lot of fun it was definitely a lot of fun, but really depending yeah, it was fun for me. I had a good time with it, not me because all night

and I would think about it. It felt like one of those losses, like the Cowboys just lost the game because you're like, they were so close to becoming a super Bowl contender like that, maybe even a favorite to go to the super Bowl. In my opinion, I really think that that would have got them over the top and it didn't happen based off of a second or third round pick. They didn't give it whatever it was.

It's like, man, they were close from getting a lot better in five minutes, hard to get better in five minutes, and that I think they could have been see that. I don't know all those stories I see. I mean, I hear you, and you know it's it's conflicting because

you're right, like what you just said is true. But at the same time, like what if I told you could win a big, big game that puts you in, you know, pole position for the bye week in the playoffs, number one scene home field throughout, but you're gonna lose three of your best players. Would you take that? I don't, because that's the one we're going with. It's going to cost you a first and two seconds reportedly, or maybe

two firsts. So your hand string. You're hamstringing not just one, but two of your next drafts to do that, and that I mean, that's come back and say, well, I'll just go without Tristan Hill. Then okay, I'll come back and say, all right, you can't have Layton vander esh and Michael Gallup either. Okay, I mean, but tank or Tank or Jalen Smith, you know, I mean, we keep going with the second rounds. I mean, well, the ones you're gonna talk about were much longer, but go ahead,

I'll I mean, I get your point. Yeah, But but you are You've been trying to get safety, and now you don't have to get a safety. So I mean you have a safety for the next hopefully four to five six years. I mean you have. You finally got one, and you stole one. You stole a number six overall pick because you're getting one with a late first round pick, and you had to throw in some other picks in

there as well. It's right on the borderline of it really is right on the borderline of whether or not I would have done it like you could you could have talked me into it. I said that on Twitter yesterday. I was like, if this, if this reported price is accurate, you probably could have talked me into it. But I can't sit here and kill the Cowboys for not being willing to give up three picks that are that valuable, not when we've seen what they can do with them.

And that's cool if you're pissed off about Tristan Hill, their track record speaks for itself. Yeah. To me though, and I know that people don't like to say this, but I mean if you're losing a second round pick and then maybe another second round pick, I mean that's basically what it is, because you you can't overlook the fact that you're getting a first round player, right, but you're giving up that first rounder so that you look

at and you're like, yeah, you probably did okay there. Yeah, the problem becomes now you've given up reportedly two more second round picks, and that's where you and I were walking down this path a little bit earlier before the show, and my thought was, okay, yeah, you just you secure your safety position for a while, is what you think. But what are you not going to do? At cornerback,

where you've got some question marks on the future. Right, what are you gonna do at defensive tackle where you've got some question marks at on the future? What are you gonna do at defensive end? Well, you've got some question marks on the future. It's nice to say, well, we'll just have to go out and find those guys, but you've just hamstrung yourself because the picks where you could get better players, and I know you can go to third, fourth, fifth round and maybe maybe get one.

The problem is for every round you go down, it becomes it becomes exponentially harder to find a player that's actually gonna be able to step in and be a good player for you. This team has twenty eight guys entering unrestricted free agency at the end of the season, and many twenty eight. Yeah, and not all of those are guys that they're going to care about losing, obviously, but some of them are. A decent number of them are.

And that's I get it. Like I said, it's it's tough to call because, like you want to push your chips in and this is a talented team. You got a short window until all these cap hits start to come home and he could put you over the top.

But what if you don't win that Super Bowl? What if what if they get to the second round and lose in disappointing fashion again, and then you you're losing guys in free agency, maybe you're changing coaches, And then you're sitting there thinking, we don't pick until pick number ninety five. We're waiting until pick ninety five to add somebody to this roster. And that's cool that we have Jamal Adams, but we got other needs too, because MALIEK.

Collins left in free agency, Robert Quinn left in free agency, Byron Jones is on a franchise tag. We don't know what's going to happen there, on and on and on and on and on. All of those problems are going to be fixed by your second rounder that you can no but maybe one of them will right maybe, But but but you also had for draft twenty twenty third overall, twenty fourth overall. I mean, who are you guaranteeing that is going to play well? Not necessarily, but the point

is that means now it's even lower than that. So the chances that we already know the chances of getting that guy at the end of the first round is not as good as getting at the top of the first round. So if that's hard, how much hard is it getting them late second, late third, late fourth, late fifth. I mean, for every round you go down, it is infinite and it is more hard. Is much harder to find a replacement player. You know, Well, we're arguing about

stuff we don't know about. We I mean, if if we had a deal on the table, that we could sit there and go, this is the deal, but we don't. I mean the report from yeah, I think it was Ian Rappaport and Jane Slayter combined on it. The report was that it's a first and two seconds. I don't know one hundred percent if that's true. We heard. We also heard another report was that it was a little bit less than Jalen Ramsey's price, which was two firsts and a fourth. So I don't know. The truth is

probably in there somewhere. It would have been quite a haul of premium draft pick. I will just say this, if the report is true of the one in two seconds, I'm kind of with you, Dave that with a with a little bit of pressure, it's right, you might have been able to talk me into it's right. But yes, we were talking about this on the show. I said, you know, when you guys first said I'd do one in a two, my first thought was, oh boy, that's

that's pricey. One in the four sign me up all day every now, but you're one of the three sign me up all day every day. One of the two gets to that point where I'm kind of like, oh gosh, I don't know that's that's tough. But I could have been persuaded just for what Nick is saying, which is you get the premier safety in the in the game, and getting the premier safety in the game matters, right, It certainly matters. I'm not sitting here trying to like

defend the company line. I don't think there's a wrong answer to this. I think Nick is Nick is justified to be frustrated if if you think that he can really do all that for you. But it's their job to think about two, three, four years in the future as well. And again, with all these contracts you gotta pay, you need draft picks to replace some of that production

that you're losing. That's the way this works. So Man, as an LSU alum nobody would be more excited than me if Jamal Adams was on this team, but I

understand their hesitation. If that was indeed the price. Well, we're gonna put a pin in this conversation because in the next what I don't know how many months, when you get to free agency, that's honestly, I mean, and the period opens again where teams can negotiate, maybe this comes back around and maybe there's something I don't know is you know, that's the thing about that's what I love about the NFL and what I loved about yesterday.

I know you said it wasn't fun for you. It was fun for me, just because that's a fun part about being an NFL fan is when you have some when they're actual trades that are happening, then it allows you to think about your team in a whole different way and say, man, what if what if we could get this guy? What if we could get this guy? How much better would it make us? And it just makes it fun. It makes the whole thing fun, you know.

I yeah, I said that yesterday. I was like, regardless of what does or doesn't happen, I love that the trade deadline is a thing now and but some people came back and me like, no, it's not like nothing's getting done. I'm like, just because nothing's happening at the wire doesn't mean things aren't happening. There were a lot of trades. You saw Brandon Peters get shipped. You saw obviously Jalen Ramsey. Um they sent a keep tell leave

to Miami yesterday. They did they send slay out of Detroit or was it no quads they sent out of Detroit? I mean there was Leonard Williams was another one. There were a lot of deals. And you know, even three years ago, I would have been like, shut up about Jamal Adams or you know, not gonna happen. It's just it won't happen. And now that is that's clearly not true. And that's that's fun for everybody, even if it didn't happen for the Cowboys this year. And the fact is,

the reports are that there was lots of conversation. So the point that there was conversation meant that there were people that were willing to do deals. It just never could come to a conclusion that seems like it would have worked for for both sides. That's just the nature of negotiation. All right, we appreciate you guys. We're gonna go ahead and take a break. We're gonna take a break. When we come back. I do want to hit a quick piece of news. One cowboy is now off the

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At the start, let's get into a little bit of quick news here before we jump to the New York Giants. Dave's got his scouting court for us on the Giants offense. But today we find out Cowboys lost cornerback Michael Jackson. He was signed to the active roster for the Detroit Lions from the Cowboys practice squad, and normally you don't that really doesn't take much conversation. But the reason why I wanted to bring it up to you guys is because I think Michael Jackson was a player the Cowboys

obviously liked. He was okay in training camp this year. I mean, for a rookie, there were some moments that he had. But when you look at the cornerback position, and you look at this, as I mentioned a little earlier, the uncertainty of that position, how much does this kind to move affect the Cowboys going into the future where they may be looking at this thing saying, hey, we need that depth. We expect him to be better next year.

We really were looking to have that depth around, but we just don't have the room to make them a part of our active roster. I think if they would really wanted them, they could have protected them, especially when a couple of weeks ago they had injuries at corner, some uncertainties there. You know, they could have maybe used him. I just feel like, just like we talked about with a couple of years ago, Eagles try to get Blake Jarwin and then they kind was said, now we're gonna

make room for him. They could have found a way to make room if they really wanted them. I'm sure they would have liked to keep them, but you know, you can't keep everyone, and that's why you expose them when you put them on practical one. Nick, make the joke that you told me earlier. I don't want to steal your joke. Michael Jackson going back to Motown. Yeah, it's perfect. Well, I didn't know, honestly. I was like, I thought it was from that area. Well, he's from Indiana,

the singers from Indiana. But like Motown Records is in Detroit, right. I thought it was good. I mean it the narrative was that you were drafting this guy to kind of develop, and he fits for Shard's mold and he can be there for you. It just it didn't pan out. Um. Yeah, I mean it's you know, it's hard to feel like they got bambooz old or anything, because if they really wanted to protect him, they could have. I will say it's early, it's you know, it's October of their rookie year.

But this draft class is not off to a great start. It's just not the and and Jackson is the you don't have a first round. Well, it's a difference, yeah, because when they start reaching sometimes when they don't have that first round, that's what that's the mistakes that talked about yesterday. Absolutely, but Jackson's the first guy to leave the organization. Um. Jelkes is on Iru Hills obviously, here, McGovern's on Irber, Webber's on the practice squad. Joe Jackson

is on the active roster. But you know, you don't have a Tony Pollard being the one guy that's that's doing something for you, arguably not enough. Not his fault, but you don't have a first round pick and you pick at the back end of the round, which then that's the other side of that coin of like, well, if we think the Cowboys are good, maybe those picks they would have had to give up aren't as valuable as we're making them out to be. That's the I

don't know. You got to decipher that for yourself. But I'm also believed that when you don't have a first round pick, sometimes you try to reach a little bit more than you would otherwise because you feel like you gotta make up for the fact that that first round pick isn't there. And if you do have that first

round pick, then maybe you don't do that. You just kind of follow aboard and you kind of just go with it, right regardless, you know it is it's worth noting because they had high hopes for him, and you thought he'd be here maybe to battle for a spot next year. But Donovan Olumbus still in the building, and at the end of the day, you're talking about a late round five pick, and it is curious what's going to happen in a cornerback next year, though, because you know,

you don't know what's going on. You don't know what the future holds for Byron or Brown and Cheeto and Jordan Lewis are entering the last year or their contract. So it's a pretty sneaky big need for this team, especially with him leaving, it's definitely, you know, especially now that you have all your picks, it's definitely going to be um. I would think of, you know, day one or day day one or two pick. I mean, I can't imagine them going through the first three rounds and

not taking a corner. Even if you resigned Byron Jones, I still think you have to do that to protect yourself for the corners that are going to be up for contracts next year. But with Anthony Brown, I just imagine him probably leaving. You would think Mike Jackson could have made that leap to that to that spot, but as it stands right now, he's not the first cornerback off the list. I don't think to be called up. I mean I think Alumba to go would have been

Alumba too. So you guys agree that, do you think Alumba is a better the better player between hill two right now? I think he is, but I do kind of and this is sad to say, I kind of think Alumba is what he is. I think I'm not saying he can't get better, but I think you just kind of know he's a long, rangy corner that doesn't have great speed. Mike Jackson has better athleticism in it, and you would hope, you know, he could work with Christopher Shard and kind of take that next level, maybe

maybe leap over Alumba. But it is fair to say also, I mean, Michael Jackson could have just jumped at the opportunity to be on a fifty three and just pieced out of town, like he's not under any obligation to try to turn that into a roster spot here, Like, if I remember correctly, Blake Jarwin was like, hey, the Eagles are telling me this, and the Cowboys were like whoa, whoa, we'll we'll fix that, whereas Mike Jackson could have just

been like cool in the world. I mean, most people take you know, if they're making you know, one hundred grand, that they'll go for the four fifty, right, Yeah, most people take that. It's weird though they yes, I'll quadrup of my salary. Yeah, it's you know, it's a bummer to see him go because I was intrigued by his talent. But I don't think it's this drastic life altering and I don't news and I don't think the Cowboys really do either, because they can they make they can make

that work. I mean, in fact, I mean we've seen it before. You you can do whatever you want with those players with their salary. Is there a sal is that salary cap part of the salary cap? But I believe Rico Gatherers was R and his salary at rookie minimum and rookie minimum, so he was the squad player, right, yeah, yeah, so you can make the money work. It's so it's like, well, you're not losing anything if you stay with us. They

just may not. They just may not value him in the same see in the league, Rico, I don't believe. So the Browns cut him, which you see him at the fair last a couple of weeks, did you really it was him? Positive? Absolutely positive? He needs to go to them, needs to go to like Europe, play basketball or the G League or something. I think that's what he should do. He probably could make some money. Think about the weights he's been you know, he's been on

an NFL weight program for three years. I mean, now he goes out there and plays basketball. I mean, you know it can throw off his shot Like that's what happened. He didn't have a shot, he had to rebound. He had a rebound. I would ever have a guessed that we'd be talking about Rico. Why not, just because he hasn't been on the team and not been on the show, we serve we will take a turn that nobody expects regularly. Fair. All right, let's let's let's go into this New York

Giant offense. Date. Tell me a little bit about this office. We Cowboys obviously have played them already. We saw their offense. It's a little different. It's way different. It's not the same thing at all. They replaced the quarterback. Um, the their best receiver is back on the team after not being there for the opener. Um. I'm not trying to tell you that they're world beaters, but I just think I think they're a lot more competent than they were the last time we saw them. And sake, I mean,

sa Quan was there for Week one. He played great, we know that, but he was missing. So now they've got him back to um this is this is a this is a fast group in my opinion, Like that's my big impression from watching them is like they are athletically um designed. I don't know how basically. My point is, obviously they got sa Quan Daniel Jones is much more athletic than you want to get him credit for, certainly

much more athletic than Eli Manning. And then you've got Evan Ingram being your top playmaker, who is essentially a big wide receiver. Like this is a team that basically runs ten personnel a lot, because when they have three receivers in a tight end, it's basically four receivers. And that's something that intrigues me with how the Cowboys will handle it because it's a lot of speed and athleticism. I watched this game against the Lions. Say, Quon Barclay's

so good man. He ran for sixty four, he caught nine passes for eighty yards and a touchdown. He does it all. He can. He can go downfield, he can go across the middle. And then Golden Tate is really I mean, we know he's good. We've seen him play the Cowboys a million times. He actually killed them when he was with the Lions last year. He's basically Jones's safety net. Like every single route I saw him run was like a crossing route or something to give Jones

an outlet pass. And they're they're moving the ball pretty good. Um, I'm I'm intrigued to see Daniel Jones against the secondary because he's got the arm, strength and the confidence to make plays down field. I don't think he sees the game that well yet, which makes sense. Yeah, but he'll hang back there for six seconds if you let him. Yeah. So the last offensive perform really well. That's the thing is like they gave him time against Trey Flowers and

like a you know, a pretty decent Detroit front. You got Snacks Harrison up there. He got sacked three times. I don't think any of them were because he didn't have time. He holds the ball, he really does, and they strip sacked him twice return one for a touchdown. Um. This this this pass rush, it's gonna I think it's gonna be a challenge because I think the line, the Giant's line is better than it has been, but Daniel Jones is going to give them time to get back there.

I think talk about strowing Shepherd. Is he back this week? Is the expectation he's back this week? Ah, that's a great question, honestly, don't think. I don't think he is either a concussion, right. I know he's he's a guy, and it's hardered me to keep up with him. I'm not this I had him on Fantasy and I remember looking at the advice, which could be kind of crazy sometimes because I've I've clicked on advice before and it was my own report. So I'm like, oh, I don't

know anything. Participate participating today with the expectation that he will be cleared at some point this week. So that doesn't make it even more interesting Because you talked about an offense. It has a lot of guys running around, move, move around, move. It got some speed sterling just another one of those guys. I'm interested to see how that works because I mean, Shephard likes to work out of the slot. Tate's been working out of the slot since

he came back to the Giants. I don't fear their outside options really, don't. They have a young guy that's They got a guy out the name of Darius Slayton. He's a he's a mid round pick out of Auburn brought us absolutely loved him. He's definite big numbers. Last we didn't know he did, and he had a he had a really great like Dez type of touchdown. He went up and high pointed the ball and just out muscled the DBF Like he's he's a good player. But

I don't. It's it's not you know, this this juggernaut that that I'm just worried, like he's just gonna eat outside the numbers, Like I don't necessarily buy that to be the case. So I wonder, you know, between Ingram, maybe Shepherd and then obviously Golden Tate, Like that's a lot of work that you're gonna be doing between the numbers,

in my opinion, because that's where these guys like to run. Yeah, well, think about I think on this offense is when you got sa Quon back there, he becomes the top priority of trying to stop him, which makes it so so much easier for everybody else to be able to operate. I yeah, it's so easy to say, like we'll just focus on se Quon Barkley and then make everybody else beat you. And that would be great if you can. But that's what's so scary about him is he's so

he's so good, Like that's the you watch him. He's running flare outs, he's running wheel routes, he's running angle routes in between the numbers. He had a forty yard gain where he just kind of up out and end and hip the tackle. Uh. He's spend moving people, he's jumped cutting people. He's not Barry Sanders, like nobody ever will be. I get that, but like that's the vibe I get watching him because he's that type of player that you can have him dead to rights and he'll

do something to get out of it. Laughing about Barry Sanders just because maybe it's because I was watching him play the Lions, but that's I was just like this guy he's never contained and he's also he's I mean, but he's got like Zeke type of power. Like I'm sure you saw the stiff arm he put on them in the fourth quarter of that game. It was gross. Great, he's I mean, he's everything you wanted a running back. And honestly, like for the money that the Cowboys gave Zeke,

that's the way they they should be using him. Yes, sorry, I'm sorry, he is, He's hey, I always That's not the first time I've answered that question. And I can point you to a tweet from like seventeen where Zeke said that himself, he is better, he's more athletic, and he's also you know, he's strong, load to take down, and he's fast. Right, That's yeah, He's got all of the same power and finishing ability with a type of elusiveness that I mean not just like it's not just

that Zeke doesn't have it, who does? But maybe Christian McCaffrey may what I will. You know, I've seen this with all running backs. You know, the Cowboys are fans are saying, well, what's up with Zeke? Now? You know, why doesn't he look the same? None of those guys look the same. Google Look at Julius Jones his first year compared to his third and fourth. I mean, they're different. This is see what happens after his third years. Same

with McCaffrey too. I mean, these guys are taking a lot of hits and so they may not look the same, just like Zeke doesn't really look the same. Still productive I will, I just I mean, and I'll say this for Zeke, Like I think he can do most of the stuff that sae Quon can, maybe not as explosively and not the you know, not the constant jumping and spinning and all that crazy stuff. But like we've seen

Zeke catch wheel routes twenty five yards down field. We've seen him take you know, four yard dump offs and turn them into longer gains. Like I just add for the millionth time, like I just don't think the Cowboys try. It's hard to scheme up touches for him that way, in the same way they don't with Tony Pollard. I paint by numbers. I'll say it again, Like, it just doesn't look as creative to me, because he can do that stuff. We've seen him do it in fits and

spurts before. But yeah, if they can slow him down, then hell yeah, Like let's let's put Daniel Jones back in the pocket and make him bomb away to win, because like, I don't trust that he can one hundred percent do that. The problem is just when say Quine can do so much stuff, how do you completely limit it all? That's a big thing. You've told us a lot of really good stuff about this offense. We're gonna take a break. When we come back, I'm gonna ask

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preview to the NFC Wall Card game. That's what I think, all right? And oh yeah, that's probably what that means. That means you've already given us your prediction for this week, but that the Cowboys would win. Yeah. I have a hard time thinking they lose to the Giants and win the division. It's a big win if you can beat the Giants and get to four and oh because if you get to four and in the division, then you know the Eagles. The only way the Eagles are really

gonna beat you when it comes to a tiebreakers. They have to win out all their division games if they remain tied, right. But that's that's the thing. Like, honestly, I look at this and I say, Cowboys, really they can only hurt themselves this week. They can't necessarily help themselves because I think, just like well, no listens saying, I'm listening, just like they can, Just like they can go through the NFC East and win their games, I

think Eagles could do the same thing. And if the Eagles come back and beat the Cowboys and they beat Washington in New York, which I think they're very capable of doing, then they're still both five and one in the division, right, so it's still gonna come down to their actual record at the end of the day. So really the game that's most pivotal, most pivotal is that game that they're going to have against the Eagles, because I think the Eagles can do the same thing they

can do in this division. I don't think the Giants and the Redskins are close to the Eagles and the Cowboys just overall as far as quality of their talent, quality of their team. I think there's a clear separation. If one of those teams happens to jump up and bite one of them, though, I think that's where you can hurt yourself. So I think the Cowboys can really hurt themselves way more than help themselves this week. It's I mean, any any win is gonna help you, especially

if it's an individually. But I hear what you're saying, I gotta go. I mean, the only what's the one game that Eagles play in the division that they could lose other than the Cowboys and probably at the Giants. So you know this divisions like you could lose any one of those games. The point, the point is both of these teams are better than those other two teams. Anything can happen, and nobody saw the seven and one run coming last year. Maybe the Cowboys finished this season

thirteen and three. Maybe, but well, if you had Jamal Adams, if you had to bet, if you had to bet on an outcome, don't Don't you just feel like the winner of the NFC East is gonna have nine or ten wins and they'll probably be the fourth seed and it's gonna come down to that Week sixteen game in Philly. So that's my point. So it all is about that game. That's the game that's gonna matter the most is Cowboys

versus Eagles. Second to last week, I had somebody on Twitter, somebody on Twitter sent and they were like, this is this is how I think it's gonna play out, and he like separated into three categories. It was like they better win these. It was this Giants game, the Bills game, in the Redskins game. Better win those. And then it was like, probably gonna lose this one, and it was the Pats. And then it was like these are up for grabs. Vikings, Yeah, you need to win two or

three of these Vikings, Bears, Rams and whoever else. I'm forgetting Lions, No Lions. And then the last category was like this is what it's going to come down to at Philly. I was like, this is one hundred percent correct, exactly right. There's no way you can convince me that

Week sixteen won't be the biggest game. And that's why, good chance we're probably gonna be working that night, because that's a game that the NFL is gonna be looking at, because that's going to probably be your division winner right now. I mean, it's way ahead of ourselves. And it just seems to this game though you just said, you know, and it's just kind of the whole philosophy that we've always disagreed about it about do you play to win

or do you play not to lose? And I'm like, what's the difference if you said this game right here, it would would It would definitely hurt you if you lose, then it helps you if you win. I mean, because you don't want to, you don't want to lose. You don't want to, you can't lose it. You're right, You're right,

it's the same. It really is the same thing. My point is, though, if the Cowboys win, when we come back on Tuesday morning, it's gonna be like, Okay, well they took care of their business, like that's it's just much better than that. If they lose, now it's a whole different discussion because now you've just opened the door much wider for the Eagles to step into that thing

and now be the division winner. And I don't think the NFC East is gonna have I think we're all pretty much agree they're not gonna have to play two teams from the NFC East in the ploffs. It's going to be the division winner. So that's where I'm saying that the losses hurt you way more than the win helps you. How much better? How much different would this conversation be if they'd like kicked a game winning field goal, even the ugliest win ever against the Jets. You're talking

about going up to be six and two. Ye, you're talking. I mean if there's if they win this game and go to six and two, you're like, we're right in the thick of the hunt for a bye week. Yeah, they've lost at that point. You were lost to two teams that are seven and one, right, which you feel really good about. Well, like you feel as good as you can about two losses, right, It's who knows. I mean, I would be equally unsurprised if they tore off some

crazy winst you. I don't know what to expect. You have a terrible loss sitting there like the Cowboys will have all year. You better you better get a win that you don't expect. Well, I will say this, that's the only way to in my opinion, the only way to make that Jets game better is you got to go beat the Patriots. Yeah, you got to steal one,

because you got one stolen from you. The one thing I will is, I do believe and I know yesterday and I ask you about this this morning, that the whole thing that with Jamal Adams, did that change or make you almost forget about Michael Bennett. The one thing I know is that as of the when they made that trade from Michael Bennett, they got better. In my opinion, they got significantly better, because I think if the pass rush is better, everything else on the defense gets better,

and I think the pass rush got better. So that being said, I do think there's reason to believe the Cowboys could get on a run and be able to win some games here, even some games that they may not have otherwise been able to win without him. Yeah, I think they set themselves up nicely. Like you said, it would have been nicer if they had that other guy. But I do think having Michael Bennett makes a big difference, and we'll see how much of a difference starting this

weekend that will make Dave. Real quick though, tell me what the Giant's office does not do well. I just I mean, I gave him a lot of credit for how athletic they are, but I think it hinders their versatility. Like you know, say what you will about Jason Witten, but he can help you in both facets. Evan Ingram is a terrible blocker. I mean he's a big wide receiver and he can disappear sometimes just as a receiver games,

Yeah he can't. I mean the Cowboys, He's had garbage yards against them, but like he has not killed the Cowboys in crucial situations the way that other rival players have, I think. But like they have to change their personnel when they want to play you know, traditional NFL poward football. They rhet Ellison comes in, they load up the line that it's very obvious they like draw guys into the box, and sa Quan can offset that because he's so good.

But this is not an offense in my opinion, that can impose its will on people, especially with a rookie quarterback who's still getting used to the flow of the game. So I think it can work very well for them because they you know, they spread things out there, very athletic.

But like, let's not kid ourselves either. They're still not winning games, even though they look more competent with Daniel Jones, and I think they can be a little bit one dimensional, Like they run for good yards per carry, but again, how much of that is just because sa Quan is so special, Like they don't run the ball particularly well as a team. I think you can make them one dimensional. I don't think they're particularly scary on the boundaries. I

think that's good news for Cheeto and Byron Jones. So rally and tackle and I think you can make them one dimensional and beat them that way. And hopefully if you can do that, I love the idea of Daniel Jones throwing it fifty times because you'll have chances at strips and picks. They strip sacked him twice. One of them was a touchdown. I'm talking about the Lions, Like,

that's the difference in the game again obvious. I mean, it's football one on one, But make him throw a bunch of times and I think you can take advantage of it. It seems like turnovers are an issue for him. The flip side of that is that's not something that Cowboys particularly do well. Is did it well against the Eagles? They did, so we'll see four of them. Well, we'll see which team shows up this week. Is it going to be that team or is it gonna be another team?

I do have a question real quick, I want to get to from Twitter. We had a question from Justin Espo. He says, when will we see Donovan Wilson get Wilson get some playing time? Is that a conversation worth having. Do you think the Cowboys to look at some of these guys that played really well in the preseason at safety and maybe start trying to feel figure out how to get them on the field a little bit more. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you want to you want to find

those those ways. And obviously there is a need for safety. We know this that Cowboys have you looked into it, not to the point to make the trade, but you know they want to get better there of course, And so I think, you know, we'll see what happens with all these injured guys coming back, and everybody should be relatively healthy. I think when that happens, he's probably back to being inactive. But I know he's a good special teams player. He's becoming, you know, a player I think

that the Cowboys will use there. So I don't think they're ready to like bench a player. I forget it would. I think it would take an injury for him to get a real shot. And I know people don't want to hear that, but you know, the coaching staff that that you're working with here like this is that's kind of their mo They trust the guys that they have they'd rather deal with the limitations that Jeff Heathan, more

so Jeff Heath than Xavier Woods. But they'd rather deal with the limitations those guys have and unknown commodity rather than throw a guy out there who you don't know just how ready for it he is. And I'm not saying I necessarily agree, but I'm just telling you the way it is. And yeah, I haven't heard or seen anything that makes me think they're going to make a

move like that. I think if if the Cowboys were to give up another eighty ninety yard deep ball and Jeff Heath was on the other end of it, I think it's time you really would have to start thinking, all right, we got we gotta do something different, because the one thing you would always say about Heath and Woods and Heath and whoever was back there is they don't give up big plays. But they gave up a really, really big play to the Jets and they lost the game.

They give up more plays like that, I think I think you have to start saying, all right, we gotta get better here. And we know that Heath is on you know, last year of his deal, is probably not going to get resigned, so you know, if it gets to the point where we have to we think, you know, Donovan Wilson will be better. I think that they would do that. I think it would have to be a weekly, systematic failure. And you can criticize Heath all you want.

The ninety two yard touchdown to the Jets was terrible. I think there that hasn't happened to the degree of, you know, consistency to where you do something. He probably replaces Darien Thompson as the third safety. First, I was gonna say the ironic thing is everybody's asking us about Wilson. If they decided to bench the safety, they'd probably put Darreyan Thompson in there. And again, I know that's not what people want to hear, but I think that's what

would happen. All right, we appreciate you, guys, Jonas. We're back tomorrow for Nick even Dave Helmet. I'm Derek Eakleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.