Cowboys Break: Top 10 Standouts So Far

of what we have to do today. You know, It's been fun sitting in the backseat of the limo, but now I guess I have to get up there and drive drive this car. So I'm Nick Eatman. Obviously, there's Derek, There's Dave, there's Amber. They decided not to host today, so we're feel you're usually drop I'm actually gonna be the one running in for a touchdown again. Um. Sometimes it's just gonna be a quarterback keep you know, usually you hand it off. I think I'm just gonna keep

it here. All right, let's talk. You talked yesterday about tight ends over and over and over. Oh wait, oh wait, let's ask how everyone's doing d Derek, how are you going, I'm doing well. This is Derek. This is great. Awesome Dave, I'm awesome. I'm so good. Ambry doing well. Yep, anything going on out here today today off. Nope, this isn't exactly what the field is going to look like all day long, which is nice, and everybody's gonna be relaxing, laundry,

baseball game, baseball game, movie, golf dayers. But we should make mention of the fact that coming this Sunday, for those of you who will be in the area, there will be a blue Light scrimmage. I have that ready to go next on my list. There is a blue Light scrimmage. It's coming up this Sunday. It'll be at four pm here Pacific time. For those of you who are not in the area, you can watch it live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, on the Cowboys Mobile app,

on Connected TV and fills. Back in the Dallas area, you can watch it on t x A twenty one, so it'll be available for everyone to be able to see that scrimmage on Sunday. And also, we have this really cool feature that we have this year on our shows, and today's pole question is I figured you'd like a pole question or something. I do that organically. As we start talking, I come up with an idea like, oh, this would be a great question. I put it in. I got gimmy one. I got one because we uh

later today we're gonna have a top ten list. We are having it and the top ten players so far training camp. It's been probably about ten days I guess since we've been out here. Yeah. Good, good time to have a top ten list. So we had all the writers and show personalities and everybody that come up with third ten. Everyone's done it and we well, we'll reveal that today individually and then later today we'll have kind

of the whole collected thing. But maybe that's something for the fans who would be we don't haven't been watching obviously, they're kind of going through, you know, vicariously through us. But I mean we can say who who do you think is the open or who do you think is in the top I guess for so who is it? I'll say, who do you think is the top player from training camp? Based up on all the reports that ye bird, who do you think is the top player at training camp this year so far? And we give

them options. There's only one. We're giving them up. Okay, give yeah, give them options whatever, Marcas Lawrence, why up there? Answer? I would think there's only one answer. Everybody's top pick is like you was left off your list and actually you swoting, you kill the votes. I thought short people hung together, but they don't left off the beast. It's okay, all right. Also, we're gonna talk about tight ends who

are not on the list. Nobody's ten had any tight end on the list at all, which is why we're gonna talk about this. Surprise. No, it's not surprise. Well, you know we we said it yesterday. We said the tight end position was kind of struggling mightily, and maybe we hoped that talking about it today it would change, Dave, Did it change yesterday? No, it's the problem. It's the main issue we have at tight end. Like struggling mightily feels harsh to me. They're just playing like you would

probably expect him to play. It's a rookie, a fourth year VET who hasn't had a huge role to this point in his career, a basketball player, and uh, and then a second year guy, a second year guy who is more of a of a why type of tight end. He's I mean, none of these guys are mashers. Like I said, it was it and I know it's what it's like his third day of practice, but it was

discouraging that. You know, the scouting report on Dalton Schultz was that he's coming from Stanford and he's this great blocker. I haven't seen it particularly. He just, you know, like a lot of rookies, he looks like he needs some time in a weight room for the NFL level. And so I would not classify any of them as terrible. They just don't look like they're ready to replace one of the greatest tight ends of all time, shocker of shockers. And I was gonna ask what's going down the line here?

I was gonna ask Gamber, who's the best tight end can be? Before you get to that, I just want to say something and do what Day said. If I was going to narrow it down to one thing that I think bothers me the most about this group is I don't think they have a really good viable option as a as a blocking tight end. Yes, I think obviously Jeff Swain is the best of the group, but I think he's okay at it. I don't think there's

anybody that you can put out there. And because this team likes to put their tight ends out there and run the ball in those kind of situations, I think that's a little bit troubling because I just don't think they got the personnel to do that this year, and so they're either going to have to spread everybody out and run, or they're gonna have to use some bigger packages. Well,

maybe they bring in an extra offensive lineman. I just don't think they got a guy right now that can be it's a blocking tight end for a game tomorrow. Who's a user starter, I mean it has to be Swain, but as of right now, I mean Blake Jarwin. I've seen a few things from him, but it's just out of the group, just no one really has the whole package, you know that it's absolutely consistent, or consistent enough to even scare a few defenses are even worried about that player.

I mean, I've been one of the biggest critics of Rico, but he'll make He's made a lot of touches out here, but then you watch him and he's so slow with everything else. So everybody has like something good but just not the full package yet. I think it's a good example in the same with mar with Martelli's Bennett way

back in the day. I mean, you can be very athletic, but doesn't mean that you're an athletic player on the field if you're still trying to figure it out and process things, which you know, I thought, you know, that's probably the case with Rico. He's probably the most athletic of these tight ends, but he's not taking it to the field as much because you're always thinking. I mean,

I ask you this. I've heard a lot of people I know on this panel, I've heard I've heard other people say it that he doesn't like he doesn't look like he's smooth. It looks like he's kind of lumbering a little bit. But and I saw this with Martellis. Martellis kind of looked like he lumbered a little bit and he ran too, but it wasn't like he's slow,

like he could move down the field. Do you think that it's a similar situation with Rico where it's not that he's slow, it's not that he's not fast enough. It's that just because he's so big, it looks a little more awkward. It looks a little more lumbering than it would otherwise if he was a little smaller. To bring up Cole Beasley, we always say Cole Beasley, he's not fast, he's quick. Yeah, Rico Gathers is not slow.

He's just not quick. Like it looks like it takes him three years just to make cuts and stuff like that.

It's like I'm planning, my foot's turning, I'm out, I'm facing outside now, I'm looking back at It just looks like it takes forever, and like it's not noticeable until you see somebody else do it, you know what I mean, You're like, oh, okay, that's that's different than what we just saw from Rico, which is why And I'm not trying to discredit the guy too much, but you know, the place he made in the preseason last year, a lot of it was just go downfield and get the

ball or or even you know, um, I think his rookie year was when you know, he caught the ball in the flat and did like the summersault. I think it was in the last preseason game you're talking about, like he ran like a two yard route and then the rest of it was just him running with the ball like we haven't seen him. You know, the class, the great Jason Garrett speech about why option that he gave when Jason Witt retired. Not it doesn't look so

pretty when Rico gathers, does it? Yeah? Well, you know last year, well I was asking Brian this question not too long ago, and Jason Wayne last year he started slowing down and you saw his game slow down. He was still able to make those plays and was successful at it, but it was slowing down. And to me watching Rico sometimes it reminds me of what I was starting to see with Jason as far as movement, you know, And I was asking Brian, am I okay, I wasn't

here when Jason wyn started his career. Did he looked at slow? Did he looked at you know that? So you can maybe talk about that. And obviously it's different because if you have that kind of movement but you're still making plays, then it works. But if not, then

by yeah. But I mean the big differences is that all these guys Jason Witten included, all these guys played tight end in college and a lot of them in high school as well, and you know that they they're still they're not having to process the same things everything that you just said, Dave about I got to think about this my you know, turn my foot here and spend here. I mean, those are things that are probably

still going through your head. But we're still talking about Rico because he's not that far behind the other guys, because they're not separating. But that also might be a part of the problem, right that's probably it's not so much him, it's it's kind of like remember in twenty fifteen when the Cowboys weren't very good and Thember four and seven, and they were one game out of the lead in the NFC East because nobody else was really beating them, you know, And that's kind of what the

tight end position feels like. You know, Rico is not the best, but he's he's not far from the best. To go back to Derek's point, I think there's a few there's a few things about this team that are going to be really interesting because the way it looks out here suggests that they're going to have to play

a completely different style than what we're used to. So are they going to do that or are they going to find a way to rein it back into what they're familiar with, which you know, blitzing Jalen Smith is another example is like, it certainly looks like they want to do that, will they do it when it matters? And it's the same thing with tight end, which it certainly looks like you don't have the personnel to play

tight end the way you're used to right now. Does that mean you're going to change the way you do things? We're gonna see more ten personnel. They've run a lot of empty formations out here. Are you gonna stick with that? Or are you gonna do? You know when when roster cuts come, are you're gonna add a guy? The name Dante Rosario keeps coming into my mind, which he's not going to be on this team. I don't even think

he's in the league anymore. But it's the same type of thing where they added him nearer to the season in twenty thirteen purely to be a blocking guy, Like that's what he was there for. I'm positive a tight end that fits that description will be available in the next month. Do you try to add a guy like that to your team so you can run those twelve personnel sets and things that we're used to, or are you gonna just go off the path and show us

something we haven't seen before. Yeah, if you look at the just the distribution of their personnel packages last season, you take out the two minute drill where they were pretty much exclusively an eleven personnel, twelve personnel is by far what they do the most. They love them, and now you're having a hard time finding one tight end that you're going to put on the field at any given moment. And I don't think putting a second one on there is better than all the wide receiver options.

And again we talked about wide receivers. Not they got great wide receivers, but they have a lot of I think pretty good wide receivers. They're better than what they have a tight end. So I just I just think

they're gonna have to play differently than they've played. Even if they add another guy, the quality of that guy, I don't know if if that's gonna be good enough for them to think twelve personnel should be our base, should be what we do most of the time, because I just don't think that's putting your best players on the field. If they go find themselves a capable veteran tight end. And I don't know that they're gonna do

this for the I'm just we're just spitballing here. But if they did that, I feel fine about Swam or Jarwin being one of two guys on the field. I don't think I want them both on the field at the same time, at least not from what we've seen. But as you want that as opposed to having Tavon on the field me, David Hellman, I would rather have I want ten personnel all the time, Okay, I just

I gotta see it to believe. Wait. Wait, so if um you're saying if they add a veteran, yeah, you're okay with Blake with that vet, I'm just saying I don't think they're on the team. I mean, huh, think about it. Because Schultz is on the team. I mean that's true. He's gonna make They're gonna they're gonna carry three, right, but but is gonna make it, and who knows what

they want to do with Rico. He's gonna try to figure out how to make they have to carry three, and and you could convince me they'll carry four, especially if they go at like I don't think they're gonna carry these four. But if they were to go get a veteran and I think they're like, yeah, we need that veteran block and guy, I just think that takes somebody's spot between one of those two. Yeah, so actually possible. Let's assume they bring in a VET and they're gonna

carry four. Who's the odd man out? If they're gonna carry four, they're gonna carry for and they bring in a VET who's odd man? Probably Rico? Right well, that they would there would that would be too odd man out? Right if you're adding another guy to the roster because there's four now, am I No, I'm being dumb? Well there is eight. Four David I don't doesn't count. Yeah, he doesn't get so I think you got there. There are four main guys right now, it would be Rico.

Rico would be the I think I think he'd be the odd guy out. But it also depends on who you bring in. Are you bringing in a guy that's really just a blocker. If that's the case, I'm not sure Jarwin makes it. What's Austin Trailer doing. I thought he was. I liked him. I liked him too, he and he could and I could ball pretty well. I think he might be with the Broncos now I don't know, but forget about him. There are guys that fit that

description that are yeah available. It's it's just the most unique position that I can remember going into a training camp and not knowing one player who really is a lot to make it. Let me, I guess Schultz would be. But if he keep, if you keep get dumped on his ass like that, I mean he won't. He'll be fine in a fourth round pick. He'll give him, Give him a month and we'll probably Sapper is a fourth round pick, and they they've been sticking with him for

a while. They've obviously sticking with Chaz Green. They stick with guys that are drafted like that. They stick with Dak. They're not I'm gonna throw a name out there and you guys are probably gonna shoot it down. But I know fans are probably thinking this, Why wouldn't the Cowboys look at a guy like Antonio Gates who's still sitting out there as a free agent right now because he's nine thousand years old. I get it, but that's but is he better than what you got? Is? The question?

Is his experience worth having on this team. The only thing that really from what I've what I've understood with that situation, the only thing that hasn't happened is the press conference. You know, he retired like three years. He just didn't tell everybody. I mean, they drafted a young tight end and you know he's kind of been the guy, and of course he got hurt right this year, yeah, Hunter Henry. But they did not to the point to

bring back Gates. That I don't know. I mean, if I mean, they would be a great two on two basketball team, the tied end position would definitely win on any other position if he brought Gates in. I roll my eyes a lot when the Cowboys say, like, oh, we don't want to hinder the development of our I roll my eyes at that. But't like I ain't worried

about right now Gates. Well, Gates is a situation where I agree though, like I'd rather I'd rather let these guys try to get better than bring out up forty year old Tancaro is not a scheme fit. And then this guy definitely isn't a scheme fit. He just isn't. I mean, like he's never really been that that complete blocker. And he remember him saying it one time that they we had him on the conference call before the game.

I don't think it was last year. It might have been a few years before when they played him and he was just like, I'm not like with Jason Witten. I've been a great pass catcher over the years. Jason Witten is the most complete tight end. He is a complete tied end. That's not what San Diego has asked me to do, right, and the Chargers asked me to do.

But the thing about it for the for the tight end, I know what you're saying, Dave about development, but my thing is, are you gonna hinder your team from being

able to accomplish thing to day? Because the one thing I know is I've seen more tight ends get dumped out here at training camp than I've been used to seeing in the last I don't know how many years, And that to me is about strength and leverage and all those things that I don't know if they get better this year, Like you can work on those and you can work on strength in the offseason, that ain't

gonna get better this year, right. I genuinely believe that, like a Kenny Vaccaro or an Eric Reid would make this team better today. I know he's he's probably a Hall of Famer if I had to guess, I don't think Antonio Gates makes this team that much better, Like with where he is in his career, got it, and with what they would need him to do, I don't buy it. I know that sounds silly, but i'd i'd be good. Well, you know he gotta both those guys gotta gotta call up in Tennessee after they lost their

guy Cyprian. I did hear that for the year, they both got an opportunity to go and try out. So we'll see if they actually get picked up there. But that makes one more safety off the market because you would think Tense's gonna probably sign one of them. They're not. You might want to send a second round pick. Well, yeah, they're they're certainly now thinking. I'm sure they're thinking about every option. This can't it's coming up every show. It

doesn't matter, when it doesn't matter. When all right, we're gonna talk about the top ten after we go to burn. No, I actually have something to say now. I wanted to say. I wanted to say real quick, I think obviously not having Jason Wayne. It's a huge you know, we miss him.

The Cowboys are gonna miss him for sure. But the positive side that I try to look at it is that now this forces the Cowboys to try different things that they haven't done before, things that you know how they usually stick to what they always stick to, you know, the the Jason Wayne there and you know everything that they always do. Now, let's see how we can make this work, and let's figure out, okay, the receiver's different places, and maybe go back to how we were talking last year,

how predictable the Cowboys were being. Maybe they changed things up to make it work, and I think they'll be fine what they have. I hope you're right. This coaching staff has been stubborn before, though he may and not have a choice. This year forced them. They've had like ten tight end coaches in the last like fifteen years, and this is the this is the guy. He's got his work cut out for him because he doesn't have

that guy to lean on. Jason Witten has been the assistant tight ends coach for the last fifteen year, So you gotta have you're forced to figure things out a differently, all right, let's take a break here, we come back, we're gonna talk about top ten players of Camp. It can be hard to find the right resource for learning about important financial matters. You search how to build savings, you end up reading about the one weird ingredient from

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you know, at a lot of stuff like that. All right, we talked about top ten players of training camp, and do you want to know what the fans are saying right now? I would like to hear what the fans are saying. It's kind of shocking of the vote goes to Zach Martin. Now, Zach is great, yes, but I'm a little shocked that as much as because we haven't talked a ton about him, just because we just he's just so great, right, But fans are like all over

the fact is Zach Martin the vote goes. It's actually like, I'm gonna let the host do his job here. But that plays into the point I want to make during this second. All Right, let's go. Okay, you know I've been putting out some really cool little highlight clips of players. Oh yeah, specific players and every one out of sick maybe everyone, So maybe it that makes a lot of

sense they've been following. Looks really good. Yeah. So we had nine different people, Wait, I'm doing my math right, Nope, eight eight different people that have weighed in here on our staff and together we will collect all that and you'll see it on the website later, the top ten players of training camp. But half of that, my math is right right here, and so we can just talk about the top ten individual lists of kind of what we've seen so far. So, Derek, I actually have yours

in front of in front of me. Would you like to say? Do you want me to say him? You say him if you've got him all right, Letten, Yeah, it was number ten. Number ten for me is cheetobey O Woozier. Number nine is Michael Gallup, who, by the way, I'm gonna go ahead and say it. This is gonna be one of the best picks the Cowboys have made

in that round, and I mean quite a while. He is going to be a really good receiver for the Cowboys's my opinion, it's yeah, since yeah number eight, Tavon Austin number seven, Cole Beasley number six, Travis Frederick number five, Execuel Elliott number four, Byron Jones number three, Zach Martin number two, Tyron Smith and top dog Tank Lawrence talk about Tank real quick number one, because Tank has just

been awesome. I mean, like, I'll give you I'll give you the example I talked about yes but no, I'll give you the example I talked about yesterday. I've never seen a defensive end decide, especially against as good and offensive line as the Cowboys have, that He's gonna go against everybody on the offensive line and one one on one session and go down the entire line except except

for Zach. And he may mention afterwards, I know, and Nate was talking to him afterwards and he said, yeah, I didn't get to him, but believe me, the next time I'm on the field, I will get to him. And so he is. He's not afraid of the challenge. He can play any one of those positions. He can go one on one with any one of those guys. And again we're talking about some of the best offensive linemen in the entire NFL, and he went against them all except for Zach and did a really really good

job against him. That you know, that is just a microcosm of what he's been out here, ye during training camp entire all right, So his his sement, so David Amber, his top five was Tank Tyring, Zach Martin, Byron Jones, and Zeke Any surprises or anything that you want to talk about. His list, the order is different, but we have the same top five. I mean, like the same five players. Well let's uh, do you have it our? Why does it scare you? Yeah? Get out of here,

you have yours? Yeah, I got all right. Dave Helmon at ten, I had Michael Gallup. I know he's caught a lot of eyes, but he's had some inconsistencies as well. At nine, I had Rod Smith having a sneaky good camp. Connor Williams at eight. He's just been very consistently impressive for a rookie. Terrence Williams. Uh for at seven, for a guy coming off an injury who has loved the receivers, he's mixed slow. Not all of them. Well, you got a lot of them in there. That's only the second

one and those are the only teams done. Terrence Williams mixing into the second team. He's he's made some fantastic catches with his hands. No less, I think he's having a nice camp. Cheeto Wougier at six, Zack Martin at five, which honestly, I'm looking at it again and that feels super low. He's just been dominant. But then I have a hard time moving any of my other guys out of their spots because Zeke at four has just been phenomenal on and off the field. He's been very impressive.

Tank at three. I agree with everything Derek just said. Tiring at two, and then I put Byron Jones at one simply because he is having a great camp at a new position, and I think like that carries extra weight for me. He's doing my job in a new scheme and he's killing it. But here's where i'd ask you a question. You really think that Terrence has been better than Cole? Here's the thing I Cole Beasley not

being on my list is an oversight. But Nick Nick was like, you sure you don't want to change that, and I was like, you know what, No, it's fine because to your point, it's easy to flash out here as a wide receiver. It just is, you know, we talk about all the time, like, yeah, you beat a defender inside on a slant one on one, like you

should do that. It's easy, And so I try not to give extra weight to the receivers just because it's so much easier for them to But when you compare and give the Terrence though, I mean, it's the same thing. He's a receiver as well. I always say I say this to Nick all the time. I gad on, I grate on a curve, like people don't want Terrence on this team, and honestly, I don't think he would be on this team if his contract wasn't so unfavorable for

the team. So that I sent I specifically said, don't worry about expectations like that, but but about it's easy out here, because before fans freak out and go, oh, my guard defense is bad, it's easy. It's easy because why because and all right, eleven on eleven is one thing, but in like in the one v ones and the two v two is like you've got all the the you got the whole field to beat your man, and there's no pass rush and you can sit in your head in your head and say like, okay, pass rush

is coming. There's an internal clock. But like yesterday was a great example in seven on seven down near the goal line, Dak just kind of fiddled around in the backfield for about twelve seconds before somebody finally broke open and he threw a touchdown pass. And I was like, cool, Like what's the dB supposed to do with no pass rush in that situation? Like you should win every single time.

And Cole Beasley's skill set in particular suits him to winning those types of battles because again, he's very quick, he runs very short routes that are hard to defend. He can present himself open within five or six yards of the line of scrimmage. I'm not trying to knock him, but he should look good in this setting in my opinion. And I mean I should have put him in my top ten, but I just didn't. And it's fine, that's cool, all right, So Amber, do you have your ten in

front of you? I do all right ten Jalen Smith. And I was surprised to me, he's been looking really good and his instincts are getting so much better, and he looks a lot closer to being at the level of Sean Lee. Obviously health wise that's a different story and all that, but I love the progress is made and I'm really really excited for excited for him. Nine Tavern, Austin. He's just impressive. Everyone knows that. And he's just quick and just tricks the eyes and let's figure out tricks

the eyes a Michael Gallup. He didn't start off very consistent, but he's starting to get, you know, more consistent. And the thing that I like about him is how much he cares and every time he makes a mistake, how upset he seems. And that's something that all these guys do because of how competitive men are. But the fact that he gets up and tries again even harder. I really like that about him. Rod Smith seven. Rod, he's

been killing it. I mean he's the guy that we yeah, he's the guy that we don't really pay attention that much just because Zeke takes the spotlight. But then he's made enough things for you to pay attention to him. He's been all over the place. He's great at catching the ball, running, He's great. Six. Connor Williams just another one that's good. Five cheetahbet Woozia. He's being impressive as well. Sack for Tyna Smith, three, two Byron Jones, and one

Cold Beasley. Cold Beasley, he's my number one. You've missed the whole camp basis because because here's why, wow, Cole what go ahead? But finished that point? And then I notice he's this one Cole Um. He's so quick and we all know that, and how impressive he has been and how he makes these plays. And although this guy right here, Dave says, well, you're supposed to shine at this situation, still he to me, he has been one

of the most consistent guys out here at camp. So he's been making all of that consistently, and he just makes you look at him. I think we take it for granted a little bit, I really do. I think we take him for granted a little bit. He's been great. Yeah, all right, So I thought I saw something differently, but um that Dave had. He had Byron Jones one, but you had to Marcus Lawrence three, and Amber doesn't have him on her list, and you have Cole Beasley number one,

and Dave doesn't have on that at all. So that just goes here because we know, how was Tank last year. He's amazing, He's amazing, but he's he doing any different than what I expected him to do this year. I know, I know it's not about expectations, but it's just like that Martin didn't either. You know, here's well and it's it's tough man, and honestly, like I know, I have him five. Honestly, Zachary Martin should probably be number one because I probably, like I have Tyron Smith too. He's

gotten beat a couple of times Byron Jones. I still have not seen Zach Martin is just out of here, mauling everything that moves. Like you're right about that, He's killing people and looking great doing it no remorse. Yeah, so, but it's hard. It's harder to notice those types of things, especially in the eleven on eleven because again you're like, you know, well, I don't have the advantage of replay while I'm out here and I'm usually looking at it

through my phone. Next thing, you know, Michael Gallup goes up for a pass and meanwhile, you didn't notice that Zach just bulldozed two people. You know, it's well, and another thing, it's like with those guys they've been so good for so many years already. Like Zach, it's just like a given that you're like, Okay, he knows what he's doing. You don't pay that much attention to him anymore.

And that's part that's why I put Byron number one, is he has not been the most consistently great player out here, but he is having a great camp at a new position, and the Cowboys need him to for that matter, and he's competing. That's what I love the most about Byron Jones. Like he's gotten beat a couple of times, but he's still he comes back the next play, He'll make a play like he's just competing, And that's

what you need from your cornerback. Cornerbacks aren't gonna be perfect, like you're gonna get beat times, even more so than Cheeto, and Cheeto's having a good camp two. But when when Byron does a REP, I'm kind of assuming he's gonna win it more often than not because his track record has been so good. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna throw

in my top ten um quickly number ten. Connor Williams nine, Cole Beasley eight, Dak seven, Ezekiel Elliott six, Byron Jones five, Tavon Austin four, Tyron Smith three, DeMarcus Lawrence two, Zack Martin one. Cheetoh wow, Cheeto number one. I think he's been outstanding and maybe to the point of worrying about the receivers and the starters and getting open and all that. I think every time I look up, he's knocking the ball down, he's running with someone he's I mean, yeah,

he gets beat something. I mean, but that's what you expect, especially out in practice. But for the most part, I think he has been really, really good. He's had a good week of practice this week. That might be what's on my mind. More than that. I agree with you, Dave. I think Zach Martin he's just been solid, consistent. He could put him. I put him number two, but I don't know if I haven't seen him really get beat so um and you know what I mean, the guy

that that didn't make anyone, he made a couple. He made your list, Derek, and he made Rob Phillips's list. Travis Frederick. You can kind of say the same thing about that. Yeah, he's so so, so steady, and it's not like he's not doing well, but um, that's that's mine. I Colbasley, you know, kind of far down there a little bit on listen, and I did not put Gallop on mine. I want to point something out, and that pretty bad to day practice one day who gallop gallop? Yeah,

And that's that's he. He has stayed up there now right. And I'll quantify for you or qualify for you. Why I why I think what I think of Michael Gallop. And I was telling Davis yesterday, if you watch how he runs his routes, what I love about him is he always gets separation. And what if we said about these receivers for the last few years, like they can't get away from defenders. There's no separation nowhere for the quarterback to get a clean throw to a receiver that's

really open. And you watch him and what he does is watch how he cuts hot comes out of his brakes. He explodes out of his brakes, and when he does that, it creates immediate separation. So if the quarterback is always in tune with him on getting him coming out of his brakes, you're gonna always have a receiver. That's all. I shouldn't say always, but a lot of the time you're gonna have a receiver that's open and actually has some separation, be able to make a catch and then

do something with the ball. Shameless plug. But if you go on my Twitter timeline from yesterday, there's a video of Michael Gallup and it might have been against Byron, so Byron's not winning everything out here, but Gallup he stutter stepped and broke outside like he was going up the field, and like in the blink of an eye he had stutter stepped again and cut inside on a slam.

Remember that, And even like even in the NFL where everybody's got great footwork, I was like, Wow, that was really impressive footwork, and like it kind of gives you a snapshot of what people are talking about when they talk about running routes to get yourself open, Like it's not I mean, Dez Bryan can just kind of cut inside and use his body like Michael Gallup doesn't have that size, and you see the footwork translates that. It's

really impressive and he does it all the time. Like his route running is very impressive, especially for a rookie. It's the thing that makes Antonio Brown, in my opinion, the best receiver is so reckless. No, I'm not saying

he's Antonio Brown. I'm saying that's quality. Is what makes Antonio Brown great is that he's not particularly big, he's not particularly fast, but he has such great footwork and such great route running that even when you try to put two defenders on him, he still has a way of getting open because he knows how to run around to where before you know it. Both those guys he's

gotten some separation from him. I love that quality about Michael Gallop, and if he keeps developing that, I think he's gonna be a phenomenal player for the Cowboys in future. I want to look at this list again for Amberg. You've got three players. The Cowboys are really counting on three players to do some things this year, one of them being Dak Prescott, another one being Zeke, and the other one being d Law. Neither of those three a

major list right now? That's okay? Are you kind of more into the Dave like I expect that from you, that you're not really surprising me any or any of these guys not doing something that you're like w I went more toward with the route of who has really caught my eye? You know, um, Zeke obviously he's great and he'll make those plays and stuff, but it's he hasn't really been that one that my eyes just draws

to him and Dad, he'll make those through. He's been better, for sure than last year, but again, nothing that just like, oh my god, Dak Prescott this year. Wow. You know. Yeah, but you know that's interesting, and Nick correct me if I'm wrong. I think Dak was the only one that was on yours of this panel. Correct, Yeah, I think

the other three of us didn't have him one. And that to me, yeah, I don't know if I'd call it shocking because but I will say this, in years when Romo was out here, he would have made a top ten list. Does that? Does that scare you? Does that concern you that Dak isn't making those plays that actually make you say, wow, that was a really great play. Not really because of what we've saw. What we saw

from him even as a rookie. He wasn't very good as rookie year, and he was really good in the preseason. Another thing about about Zeke, he's not gonna look that that great out here. You know, he hand him the ball in a practice, he runs to the side, and a safety and a linebacker come and they get right up on him and they touch him, and it's like, I got you down, and we all know that it's gonna take a lot more than that. You know, you might get him on the twenty, but the ball got

dragged down to the twelve. And that's what the beast mode feed me. Zeke, all that kind of stuff, that's what comes into play. Same with these offensive linemen. You know, these defensive guys that are kind of smaller, they fly around the ball and they get into gaps and they're like, I got it. You know when reality, Zak Martin would have probably driven the guy five yards down the field. But so you don't really get to see all this stuff to that point. It's hard to tell a little

bit just from a physical nature of these guys. That's why receivers in corners always kind of get higher on the list because you see, did he catch it? Did he not eat it? You're absolutely right, but man Zeke and Rod both like you can see it in their footwork and you can see it like again, I mean, this is just my subjective judgment, but like you can just see, like okay, real cool Davier Woods like you're you're there, but you're not there like Zeke would be gone.

Oh and just not to mention the sheer volume of stuff that he's doing, Like, I mean he's he's lining up out wide, he's catching the ball out of the backfield, they're doing screens. Uh, he's he's been very very impressive. Um And I mean Dad hasn't been bad by any stretch. He just he's not lightening the world on fire. I don't know. This isn't Yeah, he's a he's a gamer. Half of it. It's just half of the of the list.

These four and there's also uh Rob Brian McKee, Lindsay also have some so it'll you'll see some different names um on the list as well some of the guys that they voted for, so in different orders. All right, let's take our last break here we come back. We're going to talk about some other really cool that's happening here at training camp. Really need Cowboys fans know that the second best of anything simply won't cut it, and

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break host is just so off today. I don't know what's going on, but whatever, there's something, there's something to be said for that. And you won't ask me to do it again, but you, oh, I will definitely ask you to do. You guys both to drop the ball and decided not to do. You guys needed a day off. I guess as well. I thought it was just a

player's day off. I guess it was. That's okay though, Um, actually I think me and Amber been killing it on this show, so we're doing your job better than you're doing Oursakay, all right, A couple of guys that that did not really want to talk about drop and Dorance Armstrong. Dorance Armstrong will make some other people's list, not on this panel, right here on the top ten. Yeah, that

is somebody that is very shocking. Just somebody watches the tape, the guy, the guy, the guy who actually the guy who's most qualified, the guy who actually watches every play. Yeah, not just the one shocker. So anyways, what are we not top ten lists that we all chimed in on last night, and he's supposed to go on the website today and Nick is just deciding to reveal everything today

here on the show. That's not exactly it. Everybody who listens to the shows, I know, I know, but well I'm gonna talk about rookies because that's that's what rookies and players that aren't on this list, guys that didn't make any um anybody's mentioned. But let's talk about Dorn's Armstrong. He's he's a young guys. He flashing a little bit. I've seen a couple flash yesterday. I'm about to start watching him more now that Brian thinks he's the top ten worthy guy. He has. He has had moments, none

more so than yesterday. What do you do? He whooped Lyle Collins in the compete period, just that I like that posterized him and he's I mean, um, you know, you go back to I'm not trying to dog my guy, Taco, but like last year as a rookie, Taco basically looked like he didn't belong. I mean, put it. That's a little harsh, but fair. I think, uh, the Doran's Armstrong doesn't look like that. He looks like he belongs. Absolutely.

The only thing I wish they'd give him a new number because you know, I know they will, but like you know, he's not you know, he's not keeping seventy four. And so just in my brain when I see seventy four, I just associate it with a scrub basically, because they only give that number to people they're gonna cut um, they're not gonna make it to the season. Usually, if you're not, you're not making it to the season, or you're changing numbers when the season gets here. So, uh,

that's not his fault. Though he is, he's looked nice. I wouldn't put him in my top ten. Yeah, I need to go talk to Brian. He's probably got the same moments, about the same level as Taco, but Taco is in his second year. Yeah, so yeah, he has done about as much as Taco, and he's a rookie fourth round pick and tacos in his second year. Either that you want more from Taco at this point, that you expect more from time. That is the that's I mean,

until he proves otherwise. That's the storyline around Taco. And I want the best for him and I believe in him, but he's got to show more. So we're at that point where it's like the NTA tournament comes out. You know, you see the field, and now it's like who didn't make it? Like where are the snubs here? There are some names out here that haven't been mentioned that I think are gonna freak out some fans. You've got the

fourth round pick that was mentioned. It's kind of why I brought him up obviously making this listen as a tie at the bottom probably will be your third and second round pick, but you don't see the first round pick at all. Layton Vanderesh has not really done enough to really catch anyone's eye. Is that alarming? Is that surprising? There's no position on the field that it's harder to make an impact like get noticed than the linebacker. And he's at his moments. We talked about him yesterday. He's

especially in pass coverage. He's broken up some balls, he helped contribute to an interception. He absolutely hasn't looked bad by any stretch. But like the whole job of a like you can't do your job as a linebacker in this setting, so it doesn't bother me at all. Another player the fans are definitely looking at an Amber Will can attest to this they want to see Alan Hearns. You said, you said had a video out there the other day. You put some some plays out there and

fans are all fifty seven thousand views. They want to see Alan Hearns. Like, what is this guy gonna do? If we're not gonna have this, then who's gonna be the starter? What's he gonna do? And I haven't really seen him play before, but he's been okay. I guess he's dealing with a leg tightness heighten us. I think they're just being careful with him. Yeah, I don't know, but I mean he's been good. He's had some he's displayed some nice hands at times. Uh, he's definitely I

mean he's not a body catcher. I'll tell you that he can go up here, he can extend. He's made some nice snags. I nothing that wows me. Hey, can I back you up to Layton Vanderessh. There was a question I want to ask you guys about that. Is it concerning to you at all that your first round pick hasn't managed to work primarily with the first team with Sean Lee being off the field. No, And I'll tell you why it did concern me and then somebody.

I gotta give props to Clarence Hill because he's the first person that I saw it from, and then I went and asked around about it myself. He they like him working with the second team so he can make the calls. Ah, okay, that's a good that's a good perspective. I didn't think about that. He makes the calls at Mike rather than being your first team will and not making the calls. Right, he will learn a lot more

in his camp doing that. That's what they That's what I heard, And so he's getting experienced making the calls and leading the huddle. Um and And it's weird because they've been rotating these guys so much like sometimes it's Jalen and Joe Thomas. Sometimes it's Jalen and vander Esh. Sometimes it's Vanderesh and Joe Thomas. Sometimes it's vander Esh and who am I Damian Will. It's very nebulous, and I think I kind of like the receivers. They're just like,

let's kind of mix it around. And uh, no, short answer doesn't bother me much Like you know, people want to know about Bo Scarbrough. He doesn't get a lot of opportunities here Leyton vander Esch is getting plenty of snaps, but he's not getting a lot of opportunities just again, because he's a linebacker. In the preseason games, I think we'll get a better idea of what he's all about.

I think that, um, you know, lists like this, the fans are just wanted to see players and on here that that they're kind of worried about positions they're worried about, like linebacker, like safety. You know, I'm sure that that Xavier Woods and Jeff Heath, um. You know that you'd like to hear reports that they're doing good things, and they are. They're being solid, they're not really standing out.

How about Dan Bailey had had a little bit of a rough day yesterday, a couple of kicks would have had a different answer before Yesterday's right, he's been playing. He had been a couple of missus in practice, and you know that's unfortunately, that's kind of where we are with him, because you're just like now watching practice and charting kicks and you're like, oh, you know, and that's

what's gonna be during a game. He misses a kick early in the season, any kick that's not like over fifty two yards and you're gonna be like, oh man, what's the problem, who's out there, what's gonna happen? First time miss is a kick, Like in almost any facet of life, eighty six percent is great, you know what I mean, not kicking like rocket science and field goal kicking,

eighty six is a terrible percentage. Yeah, so that sucks urgins. Yeah, I won't if you If you catch eighty six percent of your targets or complete eighty six percent of your passes, you're going to the Hall of Fame. Yeah, eighty six percent of your kicks you suck handoffs? Yeah, that too. So I mean, I think he admits I believe he had missed one kick in camp until yesterday, and they weren't even long kicks. They were like thirty eight yard kicks.

And so I'm not a total of three kicks he has miss which that's not terrible considering he probably kicks eight field goals per day, but two in a day from a manageable distance. Just I'm not worried yet, but I just you're kind of like, ah, that's just stubbing you put in the back of your mind, like Okay, let's keep an eye on this to see if this becomes a trend. I felt like in case I didn't make myself clear, just to go again, go back to

Laton Vanderesh. Shawn Lee, despite not practicing, still makes the calls for the first team defense just he signals them in from the sideline, which is why Laden Vanderesh makes the calls for the second team. So there you go. Let's talk a little bit about Randy Gregory and Randy what do we expect from him? And the next I would say week, which also which covers a game, first game in San Francisco, the same not be playing in that game, make the trip. I don't see why. Yeah,

I don't know. Maybe maybe to just kind of get him more acclimated with how things are worked out. Yeah, he's keep him with you. He's gonna well, yeah, he's gonna the classic like he's gonna be out with the athletic trainers like three hours before kid I get worked out. Yeah yeah, and a lot of those guys will do that that might not play very much. They'll get a workout before the game. So he's not gonna do football

related things until we get back from San Francisco. But I do think he will practice in pads here in Oxnard. That's my prediction in which that that will probably mean. I think you said it yesterday and I Arizona week three. That sounds right to me. If he's not gonna practice this week, it's hard to think that he's going to be able to practice and then play for the week two game, right because there's a lot of traveling going

on going back that week. So that's the schedule starts to get wonky after San Francisco because you're travel days and preseason games and blah blah blah. So Sunday we've got the Blue White scrimmage. Scrimmage, that's what they're calling it. Yeah, should be very and all of you guys I think him, are you on it? Are you on that scrimm? Okay? I know Dave and Nicker on the scrimmage, and yes, a couple other guys Bryan I know'll be on the scrimmage on the on the air said on the air,

it's on the air, fritage scrimmage on the air. It sound like take Yeah, I'm not taking any step. I would actually like to see that. I would not position do you think. I don't know, I would not get killed. None, would I not get killed. I didn't hold wide receiver. If as long as the ball's not going to me, If all I mean, you get open, just shove the defensive back is probably gonna shove you to the ground right off the line of scrimmage. You're not getting beyond that.

Did I die? That's what you said, right? Like? I all right, all right, Cheeto shoved me to the ground. Air. I'm talking about how everyone said Dalton Schultz got killed out there, right, That's what we're talking. They might just like when they shove you to the ground, there might be a little emphasis on it. And just I think, who thing, I could just hold it. I don't know that. I mean, LP is going to be bringing it back there, but I think I can get it. I've actually done

that before. I would rather that seems hard to me. It was hard. It actually is hard. I did. We did a segment back with Dia in the Alamo, don't I'm all the time ago, and it is not It is not easy. I would rather try I'm not going to try to run a route that's ridiculous, but I would rather just try to fend off a corner without getting my ass kicked then catching hold. I'm like, that's yeah, because that doesn't affect the play and just look elsewhere. Yeah,

I can see you exactly and not not. I'm okay, he throws to Beasley all the time. Let's not act like it's this huge hype discrepancy. You just put Beasley on your list, not just catching and holding a kick. But like you know, Mark Quez White is screaming around the edge trying to block it, Like, no, thank you, that's true. Amber, where you going to play out there? I was about to say you had some soccer, a little bit of a little bit of that in it.

So that's what people are gonna take out of this show. It's so bad up there with Beasley that that now Amber saying that she could kick I mean, Bailey, Baby's the difference. Woo big difference, Yeah, kind of big difference. No, that's true, Derek. I try my hand at safety because at least you're staying back and kind of looking to see what's happening, and there's an off chance that a

ball gets thrown and ye are you serious? Maybe you're you're looking in the backfield trying to find the ball, and Deontay Thompson is a striking past I think I think he I think I try my hand at safety, you would lose. Maybe these are professional athletes, you remember, Okay, let me say you remember you remember and pick up when the bad like the crappy player, you're like, who's the guy in the red shirt? Just run at the guy in the red shirt and I'll throw you the ball,

like that's what they would do. So find the guy in the Longhorn T shirt. But but I but I feel like that's probably the position I have the best shot at doing anything that's worthwhile. Okay, so like again we're playing against professional act like maybe no position in football like requires more like instinct and feel for the game and you're just gonna step in. But which should do like a little competition? All right, best shot? We

should do a competition between everyone, No, we should. I have I have one I have one heart, and like I'm a good sport. I'm not putting my own lack of athletic ability on camera for other people of mployment. Like I'm just not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do You'll play alone with a lot of things. I'll play along with a lot of like there, they're nothing could come out of that other than me looking like an ass and like, I'm not, I'm not doing it.

It's not happening. Every every year at combine time, somebody's like, y'all should do a combine for the media, and I'm like, no, it's no gonna happen. I had a friend in the LSU media who did that. I'm not gonna name names, but literally he all he did was run the forty and he fell down running the forty and broke his colophone running the forty. I'm just I'm not. Yeah, no, that's my point, Like you stand, you stand to gain nothing unless it's you know rich Eis and does it

for charity. Maybe maybe he gains up there for people that I'm not. I'm not. I'm not doing it. So if I if I can come up with a sponsorship where it's like there's a children's hospital, where we can actually help out a children's hospitals. Rich Eisen has the power of the shield behind him, like he raises a lot of the power of the star. We're not we're not gonna raise enough money to make it worth it. That sounds bad. I was about to say bad, what's

worth I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. All right, it's not worth it. Dave's kiddos. Run for the kids to Scott's tots. Oh god, all right, that's it. That's all you got. That's all. I think we're done. We have two minutes, all right, Yeah, two minutes. Tell me something you're excited to see tomorrow? Go that I haven't already seen. Yeah, who do you need to see more from?

I'm hoping that Alan Herts is back because when they when we first saw him out a few days ago, it was like, oh, he's getting that day, and then he missed a second day, and so I'm just hoping that at this point that would be three days with the off day that he would have had to kind of get himself right. I hope to see him back out there tomorrow. I don't know if he's coming back tomorrow or Sunday or win, but I need Noah Brown back on the field because he's my pet cat and

he's missing valuable time. And Lance Lenoor is breathing down his nick lance or is so far out in front of him that he lost sight of him. Is gonna make the damn team. I know, but that's also that that could affect him. I just start blocking guys down the field. Noah Brown needs to start showing. He needs to start showing what he can do. And I hope it's happened soon. But you and Brune needs to step up for you. Would you like to see more from I mean d Law maybe since he didn't even get time,

he's at another level. Yeah, yeah, he's good, he's good to go. I don't know, UM haven't thought about it. I'll pick one while you think, while you're seeing and some Xavier Woods. I mean, it's just if you're gonna if they're gonna give this guy the opportunity to and they are giving him the opportunity to shine right now and to be that that's starting safety. We'd like to to see a little bit more ball hawking skills. I mean, yeah, he's in the right spot, but just make more plays

on the ball. That's what you need. I mean, that's one thing about Jeff Heath. He does get the ball in his hands more than you would think from a safety. You want Xavier Woods to kind of do that. He's been playing good, but you know, good would be a good You need a good third safety to be the starter, you need to be a little bit better than that. I'd like to see more from Xavierwoods. Well, the only group that I'm really really starting to become desperate about

is the tight End. Although I've talked about like they're gonna be Okay, So you talked yourself out of safety. You're a believer, now, are you kidding me? I've given up on that and let's just see what they got in again. That's one of the things that's hard to judge out here. So I'm like, Okay, whatever you do is not gonna impress me right now, So that don't impress me much. No, Wow, I know some country like one. I know one country. So all right, that was the one. Yeah,

that was it. Yeah, all right, Well this was the third straight day with a different host. So Dave, we'll be back tomorrow hosting. You'll probably actually the show will be on Sunday. Host Yes, Sunday, Sunday, probably, So all right, hanging with the boys of Shannon's up there, he is, he's up. Nate Newton, stay with us here for hanging with the boys. We'll see you next time on the break. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.