Cowboys Break: Time to Make Deals?

Good morning, Cowboys Nation. It is season whatever, episode don't know of Cowboys Break, and I am David Hellman hosting today's episode because Derek Eagleton made a nil advised decision over drinks last night. Hello, Um, I'm here with Nick Eatman, Derek Eagles, than amberg Arcia. You know the drill. We're gonna talk about your favorite football team and do all that kind of good stuff, and not surprisingly, all the cool stuff happens after a day off, right, you think

it's gonna be the downtime. And the response to that is they cut one of their most prominent players, which sounds weird to say about a third string tight end and a whole bunch of contract news drops overnights. So which topic do y'all want to start with? We're gonna get them, We're gonna get to them both, but what would you rather talk about right now? Basically, this just this started as kind of a dare, like, why don't you shoot you know, why don't you just host? No?

You know, I'd started, Derek said he didn't want to. It started with me saying, now, this is roughly about ten o'clock last night, and we're standing there and I'm like, you know, I haven't even prepared for tomorrow's show. I have no idea what we're going to talk about. And Dave's is, hey, I can host tomorrow, And before he could get out I could host. I was like, yes, that perfect, let's go. Let's go. You be the host tomorrow. So that's perfect and you can go with whatever you

want to go. You're the host. Okay, Actually I forgot. I actually wrote down we can do some blanket coverage, so we'll just start. We'll start, well this is taken off. That means you actually like my sem no I do like that first time ever in the history of our show that you guys like something I did. That's good. That's good. So blanket coverage. The Rico gathers era is

over for the Dallas Cowboys. That makes you feel blank Derek, I was gonna say relieve, but that also makes it feel like I was sitting here anxious about it before. It's almost just kind of like, Okay, we all saw the riding on the wall, so it was just like something happened that we already knew what was going to happen. Who knew when it was gonna happen, but at some

point we knew it was gonna happen. We were out amber, you and I while talking about this, I think it was day three, two or three, when he a ball hit him streaking the chest and it just kind of fell to the ground and we were like, Okay, it's just not it's not gonna happen. So to me, it's just kind of, you know, it is what we all expect it's going to be. It makes me feel disappointed because I wanted I wanted him to be that guy.

I wanted him to be the Jimmy Graham and you know, the basketball player Antonio Gates type guy that would have

been cool. I just didn't work. I mean, they tried, he tried, didn't work a g It makes me feel good but sad at the same time, good because I got Will McClay to tell me I was right, thank you very much, and I told him to do a better job with that, and he that has been his guy, and you know, he really wanted him to be successful and the field he didn't work out, and obviously I told I told Will, I'm like, yeah, they're not always

all gonna work out. Yeah, you're great at what you do, but yeah there's some let me tell you, let me tell you. But he is awesome, but sad at the same time because I mean, if it had worked out, it would have been so good, like because of his physique, his size, and the things that he could have possibly done. And it's always sad. I mean we talk, especially me, I like, well, because we do this show, I criticize

people and while we watch and all that. But at the end of the day, when you see a guy leave and you know, it's still sad and I'm sad for him that it just it wasn't enough, he wasn't getting it. I think relieved is a great word just and that sounds mean. I don't have any ill will toward Rico Gathers, but it is kind of a relief because he's the third string tight end and he is one of the more like noteworthy figures on this team because of his background, because of his you know, he's

not afraid to talk himself up. He says stuff on Instagram and Twitter, and everybody wants him to be the next Jimmy Graham. And the writing has been on the wall for at least like a year that it probably wasn't going to happen, and it's just kind of a relief to not have to juggle that in a addition to everything else that's going on. Yeah, I think that that Tom Landry slash Bill Parcels, whoever you want to say,

has this this you know philosophy of year three. You know, you get you get three years to kind of figure it out, and for him, he got a full three years, and then by the fourth year, I just think that they didn't see the progression of this is going to continue to get better and better. And how long do you hold your your roster hostage for it? You know? I mean, he's probably other positions are needed. I mean, a defensive line position, an offensive line. It's gonna be

tough cuts there. You can't linebackers. We talk about the yesterday, Yeah, the percentage that Rico Gathers goes to a new team and has more success than he did. Here is blank Nick sixty who Okay, you gotta catch more than three

passes here. I think you can go somewhere and do that. Um. The scary part is if they somebody got him and try to Maybe not scary, but interesting would be if somebody took him and did something else with him, you know, position maybe, but that was the worst part of his game though, in my opinion, Like I didn't think, I think his blocking was. What if what if he's a defense I don't know. I don't I mean, I don't know.

He don't know. He's got to have it. He needs to go play he needs to go to Europe and play basketball. That's what I would because think about think about what he did at Baylor. He led the nation in rebounding, doing things that basketball players do in a workout thing. Now you've been playing football for three years. Now you're gonna go over. You got a football body with basketball skills that you can make money. He can make money in this league doing what he does. I'm

in this league. I'm sorry, he can in the world the world somewhere g league. I mean something, if he had done that from the jump, he might be in the NBA by now. He might So that's okay, um the Cowboy by well, yeah, numbers on that numbers, I would put it much slower than that. I would guess more like about fifteen percent, because I think the chances of that happening are about right opportunities. So it has to be the right team. It has to be a team.

And you know the team is. I mean we all know that if you want to say a guy the Patriots, if you want to get a guy to achieve more than he would achieve other places, they've been one of the teams that can sometimes make that. Yea, they if they sign him or claim him. I'm not he's a veteran. They don't. He doesn't have to be claimed, right or thank you would well during training camp. Yeah, he's got

that one game suspension though too. Yeah, I mean that's something that if he winds up in New England, I'm just gonna bury my head in mind. I mean, they just they know how to just kind of create these roles for guys, and so if they for a guy like him, I could see where maybe they find that one thing that he does semi well and they say, Okay, this is gonna be the only thing you worry about.

You do this right, and he could give them some help in doing that, and it can make him pop enough to where we're like, oh, Rico's doing a little something. You know, it catches two balls in the game, you know, that kind of thing where it's like the more than we ever saw him do here. But it's all about the role. They put him in a role, a specific role, and he does that decently well. So I think the percentage is low. You tell me what team it is, and percentage may go up, but right now it's say

fifteen percent. I hope he catches on just you know, during training camp, when you have a free minute, you're watching other teams preseason games and reading their reports. It would give me a hell of a reason to check in on the Falcons or whoever if he was there. So the Cowboys twenty sixteen draft class loses its second member, Charles Tapper, and Rico gathers only guys from that draft class who aren't still here, not counting Zeke who is temporarily not here. All right, I don't know how to

turn you on to go with that. I thought you're about who's right. I thought he was going to go and turn it straight into a we actually we are going to talk about that. But no, there's no way to do this. There's no way to do this with

blanket coverage. But the elephant in the room. You've seen the reports everywhere, starting early this morning, the Cowboys reportedly have offered all of their big three top five money and are flummoxed as to why that hasn't why that hasn't generated more discussion, gotten more names on more signatures, all that good type of stuff. I'm curious for y'all's

take on this. I ran some numbers on it that I want to get to, but just, oh, what's your take on that the Cowboys have reportedly offered Dak Amari Cooper, and Ezekiel Elliott all top five money and yet no deals are done. I think I think that statement is a general statement to get them all grouped together. I

think that the top five means is Dak. That's that's where the DAC is got to be in the five, because you're going to insult Zeke if you say anything about other than top two or if not number one, he's got to be number one, I think in his mind, so three or four is an insulting thing, and I think for Cooper it's I think it's got to be in the in the top three range. Don't you think that's act that's really well done? Because I looked up the numbers. I didn't know off the top of my hand,

off the top of my head. But you're absolutely right. Top five works for Dak. Anything other than top two is insulting for Ezekiel Elliott, and top three is starting to look kind of insulting for wide receiver too, because here's the drop Todd Gurley is leading with fourteen million a year, Levion Bell's at thirteen, David Johnson's at thirteen. The drop to the next guy, who is um DeVante Freeman, is eight million a year. So top five money not buying it now a little bit of of a moving

target there because Julio is still there. Negotiation wide receivers wide receivers very similar. Mike Thomas just set the market at nineteen, Odell beckhams behind him at eighteen. The drop off to Antonio Brown is sixteen point seven. Then you got Mike Evans and DeAndre Hopkins both making sixteen as well. So again like and if Julio sets it again, then all of a sudden, eighteen million is the number three contract at the position. So again, top five is already

starting to look. But I see, but I still don't think that Cooper is necessarily a guy I think has to be top three. I think if he's top five, you talk about those names, those guys name, he's right there with those guys. Those guys still take the deal. I think that if he's in the top five with those numbers, sometimes you know how numbers can be a little bit sure of how they but you're doing the best you can there. So I think I don't I don't think he's better than those guys. This is. I

think he's as good. I don't think he's better. I don't think he's better than Hopkins. I don't either, and I don't think he's better than Why didn't they make these offer since we've been at training camp? And that another thing to clear up, to clear up the confusion, like these offers were not put on the table last night. Reporters got wind that these offers existed last night, Like these could have been extended before the team even came

out here for all we know. Just to clarify, I'm anxious to see that quarterback list of five, Like, what's that quarterback list is the easiest to deal with, in my opinion, you got you got Russell Wilson at thirty five million a year, Ben Roethlisberger at thirty four, much smaller guarantee because it's a shorter deal because he's older. Aaron Rodgers at thirty three and a half, Carson Wentz at thirty two, Matt Ryan at thirty So you gotta hit the thirty million mark to get him into the

top five. But that's kind of what we're all sure. He's going to be in that range of thirty to thirty five, right, And I don't know why that isn't signing the deal. I am surprised about that too. And again to go back to I was gonna make the same point about wide receiver, whether we like it or not, it's not purely about stats and talent. It's like, oh, well, he caught ten more passes than me, so I should be comfortable taking more less money. Like That's not how

it works. It's the market is set and reset every time one of these deals gets signed. So eighteen million was top of the line six months ago to a month three weeks ago, and it's about to be middle of the pack for top tier receivers. I was looking at this, I was like, I bet DeAndre Hopkins is piss Yeah, because he is. He's about to be a bargain. And for my money, I think he is the absolute best receiver in football right now. I mean, you can make the argument I do so, I thought. I think

I saw a graph the other day. Last year he went like a hundred and fifteen catches without a drop like something like that. Something just insane to his imagine. And his quarterback play. I know Watson's pretty good, but when Watson was banged up, it never changed. Yeah, it's just the same with him. He doesn't like wow his quarterbacks. I think he's the best league. I think you're just talking about resetting the floor of what's possible. Like Amari

Cooper was shooting for eighteen million. Now, eighteen million is probably the minimum of what he'll accept as a deal or his agents, I should say. I think we're also making the assumption that the overall money is the lynchpin right there there could be other things that are in these contracts that could be holding up negotiating guarantees UM, that length of the deal UM even for for for

for Zeke. There could even be some situations where maybe he doesn't want some stipulations the Cowboys want to protect themselves from him getting in trouble off the field. Like, there's a lot of things to factor into this absolutely that can change, UM A negotiating position on either side that don't necessarily have to do with the overall money.

You know, the guy that messes it up or I don't know, messes up just confuses the whole thing at quarterback to me is wins because there's other guys there. They've won MVPs, they've they've won super Bowls, they've won both. UM wins on his way to he got some MVP votes and he might have won it that. Yeah, I think he would have. And I don't doubt that they would have won still won the super Bowls, you know, but he's won his mind. He's playing really well. He's

won a super Bowl, yeah, I mean he has. He has got a super Bowl ring, and he led them to a position where the backup could come in and win games at home. I would imagine, I can't remember that they win at home. Yeah, they were the one seed. So so he won a super Bowl, I mean history.

The interesting part about it is years from now, and I'm talking twenty years from now, when he's out of the league, people that are looking back at the league and talking about the league in their minds the back of their minds and be like, he didn't win a super Bowl because they will think he had a great year, he was MVV caliber player and they won a super Bowl that year, not even really putting it together all the time that he wasn't a quarterback that did. Here's

that won the super Bowl. Here's what's weird about that. If they don't ever win another super Bowl, when a lot of fans would listen to this would love that, if they don't ever win another one, then it'll be like, yeah, he kind of won, but maybe, but if he leads them to another one, then he'll have to there you go, right, It'll just be like you you have to exactly right. So and y'all, y'all don't call We don't call these shots. And it's a tough thing to it's a tough thing

to parse out. But knowing this, so knowing those numbers and that these offers have not been accepted by these players, what like, what are you willing to do to get I mean, are you Are you willing to pay Dak more than Aaron Rodgers to get a deal done? No, Honestly, I believe that, and I believe that the Cowboys will do this. But I believe the Cowboys have kind of a budget ye lack of a better way to put it, and I don't think they're going to extend themselves much

beyond that. Now. There may be other things they're willing to negotiate, but the money's the money. And Jerry's pretty forthright about that in this public comments, saying you know that they weren't trying to set the market. Um, and I don't think they are, I think, and nor should they know. I don't think that. I don't think either of those three players. Zeke is probably the closest, But I don't think either three of those players is the best at their position in the league. I think Zeke

is right there among the best. I think those other two are. There are several When we went through the exercise of the quarterbacks, what do we have Dak ninth. Yeah, So I mean I don't think that. I don't think they are players that necessitate you saying will blow up our financial budget in order to get them, get them signed. I think you got leverage with some of them. Now, you got to do a deal or two to give you some leverage with the with the the franchise tag.

But I think when it's all said and done, I think the Cowboys stick to their budgets. You still don't know why you really have, right, he hasn't shown it yet, yeah, yeah, not not to the level you need them to. Yeah. I mean, not that that list matters so much, But I mean you're talking about you know, the peers are voting NFL's top one hundred. He's not there. You know, he's not in the top fifteen as quarterbacks rated on your peers. I think around the league people would would

put him somewhere in the middle. And the Cowboys are offering you top five money. Yeah, um, if that's the case, I mean, I just don't understand what they would be waiting for to be in that group that's that would be a good deal for Dak. And so I don't I don't understand Dak's hesitation. If we can assume that these reports are accurate, I tend to think it would

take market setting to get Zeke here. That's I mean, And your point is well made that you know you can argue for Gurley and Belle and the fact that you can't trust Zeke. But it is what it is. I mean, that's probably what he wants. But I will believe it when I see it. The report that Jescina Anderson had out there that he's willing to miss the entire season, I don't believe that. I'll believe it when

I see it. I don't trust the fact when especially if this was going to be the final year like Levion had last year, where it was like, well they gotta they gotta get rid of me after this year. They can't hold on to me for another year, then maybe, But is a player willing to give up two years? And if you're not willing to give up two years, then what good is sitting out one year when you'd be back the next year. It just to me, the

whole thing that does not make sense to me. I can't see him missing an entire season this year, not an entire season, but the number they kept going around and last night here hearing a lot of talk about the Zeke contract. It was ten games for he's got to play six. He's got to play six and and so he may not. I don't think he'll miss the whole year. But if he's gonna do anything, I gotta play six to do what? Like, what's the I think? I think? I think so he could get his year.

He can get that that year, so the year counts, so the year with but the still the still the thing still about it is that his ten game checks, he game checks, I willion dollars for every game. I will believe it when I see it, Like that's a ton of money. That by the way, a guy's trying to get paid. So and you think he wants the money. And here's another well, you know the fact that he's lost all incentives anyways because of because of the game suspension that he got two years ago, so he doesn't

have those incentives for to get anyways. But he lost a lot of money. He lost some you know, with legal fees and all that. So I can't imagine him wanting to do that. I'll believe it when I see it. Now, maybe he will maybe he has enough conviction on this and where he's like, I'll take whatever hits coming to me. I'll just believe it. When I see, I'm gonna go back to Dak real quick. I will bet everything that I have he plays, he plays the first game with

a new contract. There's no way, there's no way they're going to play a game and not take that deal. I keep pointing to that because, yeah, can I throw out this. I thought about this last night and I was It made me think, surely no players would be willing to do this. But what if they got to pass training camp, play a last preseason game on that Thursday night and both all three, Dak, Zeke and Amari all said we're out till we get contracts. What happens

then Jerry and Stephen Jones have a fit. I don't know. Yeah, it's never been done. It's never been done in the NFL. Obviously in the NBA. You know, you've seen teams now get to a point where players have a lot of sway in the NBA, like they literally are dictating what teams are gonna go to. You got guys with long term contracts that are basically getting teams to trade them because they're at that I don't want to be here anymore.

And I wonder if ever, there's a scenario in the NFL where players feel like they have enough leverage, and is that the kind of move they would have to have? Like when you got three big time players that are all due for a contract, all three of them together create enough pressure to where they can force something. I mean, if they really went through with that, I would have to build I mean the season, the season is not

happening without those three, Like you're not winning anything. But I think like you might not win three games without those three players. The biggest risk for them, though, is they alienate a bunch of guys in that lock. Absolutely, and so they that would be the nuclear button, because you blow up your team chemistry because that's that just screams I'm all about me in a situation where, especially for the quarterback, you have to at least project the

image you're all about the team. Yeah, and so I think that would be a nuclear option. I don't think they would do it. I don't think it would be smart, but it made me think like that could create a bunch of really interesting dynamics just across the league. That would be seismic across the league when you start talking about how teams and players interact when it comes to contracts. Yeah, I don't. I don't think that should play. I know somebody said going into the season got me thinking, and

I agree one hundred percent. I don't think he should play the first I don't think he should play. Hold that thought while we take our first break. I want to I want to hear more about that real quick though. Let's let's make some advertisements happy. If you're like me and you love I mean, if you have a thing, then cutting the court is scary. But then I found out I could switch to direct tv now and still

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I'm not. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I was like, I am not following. Yeah, you're right, piece, great piece of viral content we did with number four last week. Nick, I want you to expound on what you said right before the break about dak not. You don't think you should play without a new deal. I really don't, and I just think that, and I know Derek you disagree with this. We talked about it just now, but I just feel like if if something were to happen injury

wise or whatever. I don't know if the value is the same. I don't know if the Cowboys look at it. I know the Cowboys will always be that that organization that does the I think they did the right thing. Let's situation like that. Still think they would try to sign him, but I think just you're risking so much with him, um going into a season and playing on the contract, knowing that how much is sitting on the table.

I just wouldn't. I just wouldn't do it. And I think you can get the leverage if it's just if it's right there, if it's really close, I think you can get there and maybe you don't have to sit out the game, but maybe you float it out there, Like what if he doesn't play, You've got to You've got to like forced their hand in a little bit. He can't. You can't go to the Giants game and lose it. So I think if he misses it, then I mean I think if if he at least threatens

the holdout, like I can't start a season without this contract. Well, the one thing I think you're right, I don't. I think the Cowboys are the type of organization that would do the right thing, especially by a player that they think is in their long term plans. So assuming you did get hurt, I think they would probably honor whatever.

You know. If these reports are true that they have these offers out there to those guys, then my thought is if he plays the first game and knock on wood he gets hurt, then my thought is a Cowbohich probably still honor that offer that they have out their for him. I don't think they would rescind that because he's hurt and say no, now we got a doc you. I don't think that happens. And I also think that

Dak has something to lose. What I mean by that is, like I said before, the quarterback has a responsibility on a team for everybody on the team to feel like he has more of a vested interest in the team being successful than himself, because if the team ever starts to think about think of the quarterback as being in

it for himself. It's with any leadership position, when anybody starts to think on that team that the leader is more and more concerned about his own success than the team, he's gonna lose all credibility and so I think for somebody like Dak it's very different than even Zeke or Amari. I think he has that to worry about if he wants to be able to lead this team into the future.

I think any player that thinks that way would be so naive and shortsighted that they're not remembering that this guy played for you know, a million dollars six hundred and eighty thousand in the first couple of years. I mean, he's done it the right way. He hasn't made a lot of waves about it. He's been one of the most underpaid and undervalued players in the entire league, and

so now it's his time. So I mean, I think for him too, he should also do I mean for him or if you go out and don't play well and then all of a sudden, now that number is going because right now you're sitting at the top five money,

that's all okay. I think the problem though, for a lot of players in that locker room would be, well, then you should have done this back at the beginning of training camp, because then Cooper Rush and Mike White and whoever else they would have brought in here would have been getting those reps and we would be able to prepare ourselves to be able to play that first

game of the season. They were out of you were out of training camp, and so I mean you basically put us in a position where now we're handicapped going into the season without you. And that's more about us than it is about you handling your business. Go handle your business, because I don't think I don't think they think the same thing about Zeke right now. They feel like he's handless business. But guess what, they got running backs out here that are getting number one reps so

they can be the guy that plays Week one. It you feel like they did that way with the Marcus Lawrence. Do you think those hotboys thought he was being selfish because he wasn't getting the surgery. He was what he was forcing their hand a little bit and not saying I'm not going to get a surgery until I get a new deal. Do you think those guys were upset with him? Nobody was doing it kind of for himself too, which I didn't disagree with. Once again, I don't think

it's the same situation. I don't know. I don't think Derek is taking advantage of this opportunity and I'm letting him run there you go. I don't think it's the same situation now if if he would have waited and it all it got all the way to training camp, let's say, and then he was like, I'm now I'm gonna like he gets a season again. First game and he's like, I'm out, I'm not playing. I think that's a lot different because you let the whole team go

through training camp. You were taking the reps. These other guys were sitting out, they were taking second rep, third team reps, and you were You knew all along you weren't going to be there, or there was a potential you weren't going to be there for the first game. That hurts the team. It's one thing to handle your business. And the way he did it in the offseason, Cowboys at every opportunity to say, Okay, well we may not have him, we may want to draft somebody, we may

want to get a free agent. Robert Quinn. I think part of that was them kind of protecting themselves a little bit in the case that they couldn't come to an agreement. But the point is they had an opportunity to do something different. You don't give them that opportunity. If you wait until week one and then say I'm withholding my services, I think that it's it would be

the other way around. I think if it would be worse to sit there as the quarterback and say I'm not even gonna be at training camp and I'll let you guys do whatever and let Cooper Rushford sign another guy and then finally get a deal, and then I come in here and I don't have the chemistry or whatever. He's saying, Hey, I'm gonna show up at camp, I'm gonna do this thing. We're gonna get ready, and I trust that in these four or five weeks you're gonna

get this thing going. But if you don't, I can't be going into the season against the Giants game without a new deal. You said something really interesting there that I do agree with. You said, I trust in these four or five weeks you didn't get something done. So if there was an agreement, a handshake, agreement and understanding while we're at training camp, we're gonna get this thing done, and then the Cowboys don't get this thing done, now, maybe there's a little bit more of a reason why

he would do that. Because he felt feels like there was an agreement and they didn't handle their part of the agreement. I don't know that. I think that's the case. So I don't think again, I still think that he would. He would jeopardize his relationships in that locker room and what those players think of him if he put their season in jeopardy by doing. Everybody here knows what's going on. The players know what's going on with him. They know

and they understand how this business works. They could know in their mind like, okay, this is a possibility, this could happen. And when you're dealing with contract talks, what is the player actually doing in those negotiations. Negotiations you know, that's between the agents and the cowboys. So the player could be sitting there drinking, eating whatever, might as well be out here doing stuff with the team. I'll say this and it's and you know, throw a big cold

bucket of water on the debate. I really, I really feel like this will all get taken care of before it's not cutting time. I think time season the start of the regular season. I agree with that. I you know, it's this is really unique, in my opinion, because usually these debates form up when a team doesn't want to pay a player, you know, like and the Cowboys want to pay these guys. They want to have them under contract.

They want them to help him win games. Cynically, they want them to help him make money too, like these are your most profitably your three most profitable players, and all that stuff. Can I have one more thing into name of time, when and you see this a lot name of time, when a veteran, high profile guy actually sat out games during the regular season and eventually somebody in that locker room made a statement that indicated the guys in the locker room ward happy with the fact

he wasn't there. I mean, this happens all the time. The Steelers were, It happens all the time. And they start off. They start off with us, it's just business. He's handling his business. But I think somebody on this show even said it last week, it's once it starts affecting their business. Not it's a whole different matter. And you're losing games because they're not there. Now it's affecting

their business. And that's what particularly the quarterback has to be aware of, even more so than these other position players right around the time that I was starting to get really anti that the tank situation was gonna mess up the season, he signed his deal and that's just I mean, it's a cliche, but like, nothing happens until it happens, and we're gonna wake up one morning to find out that the ink is dry on the contract.

Cowboys love deadlines. They worked towards they really do, which is why the DeMarcus Lawrence thing was so refreshing because they didn't happen that way. So maybe hopefully they were like, man, that was really great to just kind of get out in front of it. Let's do that again. But no, they actually did kind of work to what a deadline because if you think about it, and the deadline for the surgery, like that was what was shame on Probably

shame on me for thinking that they operated any other way. Um, all right, that ran along, not there's anything wrong with that, but as long as let's let's just hammer are all of this out, because oh what's up? One of the things that you mentioned, it just kept resonating in my head. It's like, you know, these guys do make the Cowboys a lot of money, big time. And another thing, Dak again we don't know all the details of the contract.

But aside from the money that is being talked about, you got all these brands and what is it like companies that want to sponsor you. That's a big part of that makes a ton of money. That's a big part of the Cowboys pitch is the things that come along with being the Cowboys. Quarterback, Campbell, soup, woants you.

You're gonna be on the Sports Center commercials, You're gonna you know, Dak Prescott is in like eight different commercials, the Oikos yogurt stuff with the Yeah, so that sizeable contracts, I mean, sizeable endorsements, that's not gonna stop him. Well

by the end of the day. I mean, if you start adding everything, you're probably making the most money out of all the And that's that's the argument that the Cowboys make, Like they've said, like what their argument is, if we pay you top five, being with the Cowboys will help you to the top one because nobody else, no other brand in professional sports, really has the power

that the Dallas Cowboys brand does. So if you use it properly and stay out of trouble so that you actually are marketable, then you have the ability to make that distance up. Let's think about this too. He gets hurt in the first game, do the Cowboys still do a big deal? Who they? I think? I think they will. I think so, Okay, does all these sponsors that I want to talk to him about the different things? I mean, if he's got contracts, he's got contracts, but some of

the things that his agent's been talking still marketable. It's about this base. If he's not playing, no no, no no, no, no, not this year. Hey, let's hold off on that. You know we could do that commercial still here? Yeah, I honestly, I've seen I mean I've seen guys that have been hurt that still had endorsements. Like I don't think it just goes away. There guys that retire and still have endorsements. It's about the name recognition. Do you have name recognition?

And what do people think of you when they hear your name. If it's good thoughts, then you are marketable and people want you'd endorse their product. I'm just saying if if there's somebody that's wanted to do a deal with Dak and they're gonna shoot a commercial and then he gets hurt and they're not doing it. We're not gonna do with this. I don't I disagree with that. You're not gonna have a guy in crutches do a commercial in October when he's not going to have him

sit down. He doesn't have to have crutches when he's sitting down. The point is, I don't think that kills his deals. Like it doesn't kill them, but I think it shelves them, just like I don't talk about the Campbell's would be like, we still love you, but we're gonna put Todd Gurley in the commerce. His name is still his name, his reputations. Okay, Okay, Marlow, I hear you. You think you think what many people out there got

that reference? A few? Yeah? I fe they'll tweet us and say, Marlow Stanfield let's go um, all right, Well now we're really short on time, but I think it's never short on time. As much as as much as we talk about the Big Three, twenty twenty is going to be fascinating just in terms of how many guys

on this team are not under contract. These these are just some like it's it's even longer less than this, but Lyle Collins Byron Jones, Robert Quinn, Jeff Heath, Randall Cobb, Jason Witton, j Joe Thomas, Malik Collins, Shawn Lee, LP Lattiser, Blake Jarwin, Xavier Sue a Filo up this year, Anthony Brown, Tavon Austin. That doesn't include Jalen Smith and Antoine Woods, who both have restricted deals. Yeah. So my question, I'm gonna I'm I was gonna go down the whole list,

but Mike, I'm gonna pose a couple. Lyle Collins. Does his future lie here? I don't think. Now, with everything you got on the on the campage, I think you're right. Uh, here's okay, here's a good one. Jeff Heath been on what kind of deal? Yeah, if you're getting the middle of the road deal, I don't see why not, I think Jeff Heath, Yeah, I think he'll sign that. I think it'll be a middle of the road deal. Would you sign him to the same type of deal he

signed last time, four years, seven million? Yeah, yeah, unless I got a better option, which again that'll have to you know, that'll have something to do with the draft and if I if I can get him to be number three, and if I could get him to be number three and a special teams guy. That would be ideal. Yeah, I agree with that. But you've been trying to replace him. Well, I shouldn't say you. I think the general consensus among fans and media is they've been looking for an option

to replace him for years and haven't found one. I honestly believe, honestly believe, if you get the kind of play out of Xavier Woods this year that I hope he that I think he will have, then Jeff Heath becomes a really good number two. And I think you're okay with that number two, Jeff. If Xavier is playing to that level and getting the turnovers and actually making

those plays a change game. If you signed Lyle to a big deal or a fair deal, whatever it is, and then you're sitting let's say you had the twenty fourth pick in the draft, would you want to take an offensive tackle? If he's the best player there, don't window dress your board, Nick, Well, is he gonna play though? Oh no? Not if you resign Lyle. Now you're signing l and Tyrant's played, you know, great, and then twenty

fourth pick, You're like, not going to do that. But if you resign Heath and the twenty fourth pick is a safety and it's a guy. It's really good that you like, you're gonna take it still take it, so so that kind of answers my question. I just I don't sign heat to a deal that I don't have to worry about signing another guy. Here's one for you, a g Jason Witten and Sean Lee. I think most people assume that this is the last year of their career. Is there any chance that that's not true? You see

them here longer than twenty nineteen, I don't know. I mean, and maybe depending maybe another one year deal, depending how he does this year. Sean Lee just hiring him as a coach, I'm ready for defensive coach. Not that I mean he's a great player, don't get me wrong. Yeah, what's interesting looking at your list? I mean, when you go over most of those guys, when you separate them most of them, not everyone, you can feel like, Okay,

this guy can be replaced kind of easy. But then once you put the whole list together, I mean, you're replacing a ton of guys like that really changed your whole team. And the interesting part about that is, outside of Byron and Lyell and Quinn. Of the guys that are that are unrestricted free agents, maybe Malik is in

that category. You don't think you're talking about big deals like right, the market for them probably is not going to be a big DEALBA market for them is probably going to be middle of the row, which is the Cowboys have shown they can do those kinds of deals and kind of resign their own. It's a hard conversation to have in August, though, because you know, if this

defense really rocks, I mean, if if MALIEK. Collins gets eight sacks and goes to the Pro Bowl and this team's in the playoffs, changes the conversations Anthony Brown if he gets four interceptions for this defense. The tricky one is Malik and I could see where the Cowboys could try and do a Tyrone Crawford type thing. And I also will say, Jay Ratliffe, they tried this on. These guys will get out in front of it, try to

try to sign them now. And does does Malik say, well that's pretty decent guaranteed money might want to take it, or do they bet on themselves and say I might have a blow up beer and and then I need a lot more than that from an optics standpoint, could the Cowboys? Could the Cowboys get away with doing a deal let's stay with Malik out here at camp right now, with all those other three kind of hanging out there and not being done. Just from an optic standpoint, that

would be, Oh, they don't care about optics. No, no, no, but that would be funny. But from a negotiation standpoints that helped them? Does that hurt them with those other three deals? How does that? How does that affect those other three deals? I'll take the word right out of Stephen Jones's mouth and just like they know, we can do as many contracts as we want. We've got the space. We'll figure it out that it all makes sense to them.

Why I asked him to his face, I was like, can you really do three contracts at once like this? He's like, we can do four, we can do five. So yeah, I think they could. I don't know if they will do it one big stage. God, that would be awesome. And they call the press conference, We're all like, Okay, we got it done in this Malik. Yeah, I would three guys and they signed Jeff Collins and Anthony Brown.

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We're gonna go. She got him. I only think he even knew. It does not mean yeah, wait you dig it? Mean yeah, I think she did hosted because starting look, I got a lot of opinions about stuff. My buddy Connor wants to know. Let's assume six wide receivers make the team, which is more plausible now that Rico's gone in my opinion. Just I mean, it's hard to imagine them carrying four tight ends. Uh, let's say Cooper, Gallup, Cob and Tavon Austin are locks. Again. Feels like a

safe bet. Who are the other two receivers that make this Cooper with the other three? Um, yeah, okay, got it's funny. I think so, Yeah, I think so. We've been talking about this a lot. We just put up Yeah, we just did a top top eleven. Actually, we did a ranking on the site of this wide receivers. I think to read it right now, Um, and Tavon is

or you said five and six. I think as it stands, I think four through nine will will could change with one or two good or bad plays, But as it stands right now, I'd say five is and this is to make the team. I say, Noah Brown and because they love him, and John Vay Johnson is at a six right now? I think, I absolutely, well, we all did the list, so yeah, we came together on it. But but you know, ninth on the list is a Boise I can't remember his name, Cedric I cannot remember

his name. He could make a couple of big plays and jump in there too. But also makes sense of what we knew of this this staff, right, they like guys that they have relied on. They like veteran guys. So he started talking about a Tavon, They may trust them a little bit more to get back there and catch that punt than they do. You know, a young guy that's coming up that that could or couldn't right, And we know they love Noah Brown for whatever reason

they love Noah Brown. I will say, part of it is he does the dirty work that you don't have a lot of receivers on this guy that is the only guy with his body type, and he can do the dirty work, right, So all that, so all those things, when you really start breaking it down, it's not so much about what's happening out here as much as it is about kind of how they tend to build their team. And I think it all makes sense from that standpoint.

Nathaniel wants to know what's going on with Connor McGovern. Haven't seen him. I want to know that too. Something is he still dealing with the whole chest thing. Starting to wonder if he should have been a pup guy. I mean, I'm if I'm not mistaken that he can still be at walk through and stuff if he's on pup right or is that not true? Actually it might not be true. It's not. You can't do that, So he is. That's that's why he's not on pumps so he can take part in learning this. He's got to

be close. He was in pads full pads the other day during the scrimmage going through some of the individual drills, so I can't I can't think he's too far along. But it's unfortunate because Zach Martin obviously is out. Cody Wenchman always say it wrong. I think it's Wykeman, but I don't quote me on that. But let's be real, this was a twenty twenty pick. I mean, this pick. This is a pick that they they're gonna need next year, especially if what we just talked about with Lyel becomes fact.

That's when they need him, so they don't need to rush him in right now. They want him learning, so you want him out here and learning. But that's the other they get into the regular season. They still have practices every day and we don't get to see all of those. But he's gonna be practicing throughout this year. He's going to get an opportunity to be getting himself. He's the brown of the tide of the offensive. Yea, by next year, he's gonna make it here every ready

by next year. If they need him for next year, he's gonna. I think he's gonna be wearing a lot of baseball hats on the sidelines this year. Um, Mike wants to know, with so much depth on this team, what's a position that could get short changed? As in going light when they make their roster cuts, it's a good one quarterback quarterback, I hope, so I hope that's true. I don't know if it's getting short changed, you know,

it's accurately changed, like they don't need more than two. Yeah, when you you know, when you think about, yeah, doubling however many starters you've got, you know, I mean you'll have two quarterbacks. I think that's probably good. But but but that's not really what he's trying to ask. He's trying to ask another position, and I think four. I think four is a lock like Jay's Jamayzolo Wally is

your fullback. And three because you know, you might keep extra corners and I don't know if you'll I mean because I think we talked about the secondary yesterday, and I think that's fair. I mean, they did nine last year. If they feel really good about their you know, front of the line guys, I could see him do nine, especially you know, if you want to keep ten or eleven on the defensive line, which seems possible, I could see that. And then now tight end, I would have

to imagine they're going with three tight ends. So you got throw us up there real quick. I just noticed this on Twitter. Our sister station, or I don't know if you call our sister station, but our flagship station, the Fan. They are interviewing Stephen Jones right now, and Jeff Kavanaugh. I assume he's doing the interview. He just tweeted. Stephen Jones says there's no current momentum to make it feel like any deals get done in Oxnard. M That's

interesting a little bit to me. I don't I don't like that, but but again like to hear once again once again, that's all part of the negotiation process. Like you throw things out there and you kind of hope that then other people hear them, and it starts to get them to maybe move a little bit more because the one thing we keep hearing is they aren't talking, like they're just not communicating. Maybe this spurs a little

bit more conversation. I don't know, but that's at least what with Jeff's tweeting here on one or five o three the fan you can't believe everything you hear. I mean, there's two sides to every story. But like it's certain the Cowboys are trying to project. They're like, we want to give you money, Come let us give you money, and this players are we want more. The players are like, yeah, but tell him what the guarantee is, Stephen. That's that's

probably the reality of the situation, right. Um. I would love these players like Dak mr Too just drop a sentence in there when you interview them. Quit saying like, oh, I'm not worry about it. I'm a you know manager. If Dad start dealing with that, if Dak Prescott was like, yeah, tell like, get him to tell you what they guarantee, and the last offer was, oh my god, that would be gold? Is that what your savage? He would not

do No, he would never, He would never. My buddy Pash wants to know at what point did they bring real competition to camp at Kicker? Personally, I don't think they will not out here. I don't think you need it. I don't think you need to bring in the competition. They know they I mean get it. I mean if he's going to get a chance to go out there, if he misses the Kicks in San Francisco, then they'll

have another guy in here. Do you think that maybe part of this because it seems it baffles me a little bit that they didn't bring in just another leg just just they can see him against him to be able to kind of create that pressure and that kind of thing. But does it do you think that maybe they're they're trying to in all of this to make he build up his confidence because they feel like he's a better kicker kicker when he's more confident, and they

want to build that confidence. You are our guy, you know, or our guy you are guys, there might be something to that because they've always said his confidence is what they like the most about him, Like he doesn't get down on himself far out. Yeah, it's like, what's this And it's almost like he maybe lose his focus or something when he gets down closer, takes it a little

bit from ground. I don't know, I'm throwing out. Yeah, I just I really don't understand why they wouldn't have brought in more competition for him, especially a team that always talks about the fact that they are about creating competition at every position. And it doesn't seem like they did in this instance at the kicker position. No, that this is normally what they do. This is how what they do. Um, they bring in a guy that can do both, that can kind of help the kicker and

help the punter without using a roster spot. Yeah, but it doesn't seem like this is a dual threat guy. Casey Redford is really more of a punter. He's not much of a kicker. He's not really given him much as far as kicking goes, other than a did just just take somebody's extra point tries and stuff like that. Ames says, give me some surprising names on the chopping block.

Which we talk about everything with this team, so we've you know, it's probably not going to be a big surprise because we just talk about everything, but because we get three weeks to do it. But give me names anyway, Sean Lee, Wow, that would be a surprise. Wow, I appreciate your moxie. It would from way back. Yeah. I don't think it would be a chopping block. I think they would do it in a delicate way, press conference

like entirement. It's the injury is It's just it's gonna have to put them on this list or I R for eight weeks type thing or something where you know, they just I don't think they need to do it for money. Standpoint, No, they don't. But that would be a surprise, and it would surprise me. I'm not saying that's what they should do. I asked for a surprise name, and you gave it to me. I asked some about

you know, we do you want Kerry Hyder? I mean all day at these practices, you know, we're standing around watching and talking to each other and feeling feeling out ideas. And I was having this conversation with somebody. I was like, is there any chance that Witten wouldn't make it all the way to the final roster. And and like we were, you know, like, oh, Sean Lee's a possibility. So and so is a possibility. I brought up Witton and they

were like, no, that's not happening. What about you? I mean, can you dream of some somebody like a dream scenario? I say that, not dream like I want people to know I'm joking because of what you said today. And oh, I mean I think I think I had a dream that they cut Robert Quinn. Like that's that's where I'm at the point where I'm dreaming about roster moves. And as last night was, you know, can be like a dream was a little foggy too, So did we talk

about that? I was like, did somebody say that to me? Or did I just make it up? I think I made it up. That would shock me. I got Well for you, you think there's any possibility that Darius Jackson, who started camp as the guy getting the number one reps, ends up not on this team? Yes? Absolutely? Is that a just yeah? Just think about where he started to where he would be if he got cut like that.

It seems to be a little bit of a precipitous drop, but it but he's started at number one because the real number one's not here, and I mean we've said

it a million times. And then they also signed out well, and then that's that's why I think four is four running backs is a lock because I think I think the people upstairs at least at the Star of I know there's nobody above us right now, but the people upstairs at the Star saw what C. J. Anderson did to them in the playoffs, and I think that resonated with them. I think they liked the idea of having a capable, you know, every man backup who can do that type of stuff that they need him to. There

will be a former pro bowler that gets released. That's not really saying much because because uh, Alfred Mars, two time pro bowler. Yeah that's fair. Um, Nathaniel another Nathaniel too today says, uh, what do you feel the worst about this team in terms of depth? Not starters, but what position has the worst depth? Easy? Quarterback? M hmm, yeah, good point. If you want to take quarterback out, you

probably have a better conversation. But yeah, quarterback, and forget quarterback, forget quarter well just just think about you know, the drop off Zeke to Pollard or Alfred Morris is Darius Jackson de Marris, Zeke Morris, Udac to Cooper, Tyrn Smith to Cam Fleming. The ta tackle depth on this team is not inspiring. Who starts no butts in front of it? Who starts after Layton Joe Thomas? Yeah? Probably, I don't think quarterback like quarterback is the biggest drop off in

my opinion. Now, if you want to get to the next position, I would I would start to talk about safety. I you talked about it yesterday. You don't really feel great about either one of those safeties being the guy out down every down kind of basis other than the two starters. So you know, I'd say safety for me would probably be the next one. Okay, what is a position of depth that could get traded when it comes

down to it, roster cuts and such. I was told last night by some people that defensive line is going to be the toughest position to cut in years for this team years. So when you think about that, maybe some guys with a little bit of trade value there. Who Yeah, that's a good question, Pens And then that didn't run into like what teams are off what teams want see. Last year was a little tricky because you wouldn't think you would go you would trade the court,

you would trade the rookie for something. You would kind of keep the rookie and see what you can get. But last year they did the opposite and traded Trevarius war to the Chiefs, which was kind of a surprising move because he was having a good camp, but not a great camp. I think that was a little bit desperate, just because of what happened to Travis Frederick. They traded him for an offensive lineman who wound up not even playing.

But the reason why I say that is, let's say that everybody's kind of you know, Hyder's doing some good things and it sounds like he's turning some heads, and they love Chris Covington Christian, But then what about Joe Jackson and Jelks and those guys? Which wise which one would you like? You would feel like, if you're gonna trade, you'd trade the veteran, right, you would think, although you know, as good as Jelks and Joe Jackson might be like what are they doing for you? On game day? Like?

Are they really far enough along? In their development that they're going to get a jersey and make an impact. Whereas if he makes the team, I trust that Carry Hyder is going to have a role. I mean, he's been there and done that, whereas Jalen Jelks might be a baseball hat kind of guy. And how much does it factor in that this year if they believe this, which I think they probably do, they feel like they

have a team that can really go somewhere. Do you maybe as opposed to other years where you're willing to kind of mortgage them now for the future. This may be a U and they're like push all the chipsy and old agents because yeah, because you don't know what the future is gonna be, and we got the team right now, so let's go all in. You know. That being said, though, you can look at the other way,

look at all those free agents on that list. You know, you need some guys that some of these young players that you can keep because if you if you decide to keep let's say, a Carrie Hider over a Jalen Jokes, a guy that a veteran player who's going to probably be an active either way, or do you keep it? You know, because next year. Is Hider going to be

your guy? Or would The lifeblood with the CBA, the way it is the lifeblood of a good team is rookie contracts, good players on long, cheap contracts, so which you're getting at point now that's about to run out. They're about to have everybody, but you just all like, no pressure will but you gotta keep hitting on these

draft picks if you're gonna start paying these people. But also to answer that question, don't throw out maybe cornerback again, you know, maybe maybe a Jordan Lewis or maybe an Anthony Brown who's only got one year left on his deal. Maybe something like that if they if they felt like Mike Jackson was playing, well, yeah, but I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do that, not with the injury to Byron Jones, and I wouldn't. I just I keep a lot. You

can never have too many good corners. One last one for Lance because he tweeted me during the show, shout out to Lance. You've seen anything more from Tristan Hill since the last time we talked about him. I know Rod Marinelli called him the caboose on the train getting you know, got us speed up or get left behind. I feel like I've seen him flash a little bit more here over the last couple days. He's pooped up to the food cart, they said, and they and Marinelli said,

he's got the menu now. Oh, is that I must have missed that. He doesn't have like the hat like sideways, you know, saying all aboard or whatever. But he's he's moving his way. I've seen him a little more often. He looked pretty good in one on ones the other day. I'm encouraged. Yeah, I think you'll be fine. I mean that the first and Rookie about him, what do you mean other than maybe the way he plays? But rod would he looks young. He looks like you're right, But

his demeanor and stuffing didn't. He seemed like he's kind of been here four or five years. I actually say the opposite. I think he seems like I look at his face and he's like, oh, there's baby fat. And not saying all that. I'm not saying he's not he doesn't have some of that going with him. I'm just saying he's's demeanor, he's not like yes, yes, sort no, certain means just well, you know, it was interests comfortable, He was comfortable. I was. I was in a quick story,

I was in a h I was. I was behind the scenes the other day and the team was Actually we had a company out that's a partner of ours, reveal suits, and they were fitting some guys for suits, and and so Tristan's in there and then walks the hot boys. Right, you got on the marcause you got Crawford, you got all of them, right and uh. And so that they're talking to Tristan about his suit and everything, and one of the people fitting him says, so, are

you one of the hot boys? And when I tell you real quick, He's like, no, no no, no, I'm not. I'm not a member of the hot Boys. I'm not. And they are all standing back there looking at him to see what he's gonna say, because you know, they hold that really tight. You don't just become a hot boy because you get draft after or because you played the position. You gotta earn your way in. So it was just like you could tell like he has a

he knows his place. He knows that I'm not in the club yet I got to earn my way into the club. And that said a lot to me about kind of how he's probably approaching this and how they probably treat him like, dude, you just because you were a second round pick that means very little. You gotta earn this, like the O line. You don't just get to walk out with the big dogs right away. All right, That is all the time we have for Tuesday's break.

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