Cowboys Break: Super Discussion

edition of The Break. We're life in s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. We are presented by Miller like the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. And there's nothing, absolutely nothing that settles me more. And when I get everybody back in studio together again, feels like home. Thank you guys for joining us today. Brian's back from Super Bowl, Nick's back from Super Bowl. You sitting Nick said, Nick, I figured something big was happening when I was like

doing radio. I looked up and Nick was walking by, and I said, something's going on here, and he just doesn't kind of show up just to be showing up. I'm kind of shocked that y'all didn't like, Nick, get over here, get on the air. Well, we were on and he walked behind us. But Nick, just this is the thing about Nick. Here we go. Nick is kind of this guy that I was kind of watching him. He see, he was swimming laps. He was swimming laps, and Nick would start in radio and he'd go behind radio.

We'd go down to TV, and then he'd come back past the gambling folks and then back to radio. So Nick was swimming laps in that pool, and I felt like that if we asked him to stop that we would probably it would not be good for us, because he was figuring. He was kind of lurking. He had somebody in mind he needed to see. Well, he had some Yeah, there were some directives on one thing he

was trying to was our quarterback. Yeah, the quarterback was the quarterback because we were right across from the sleep number people. Yeah. And by the way, the sleep number of people have a great set up. Yeah, I mean they really had a Yeah. It out crazy how nice they're set up. I mean, their their platform where they brought and they I didn't assue him broadcasts in a whole lot. I mean, we're the table broadcasting, which is fine. Sleep number is like the studio, you know, they had

it and every everybody coming to land down talking. Well, we were yeah people, it was kind of a fun thing to like lay down on the bed and do radio while you were doing that. Yeah. Well the thing also too is that I'm I'm on one or five to three one five three whatever basketball season the three. Ye um, they don't want me then. I mean when you go to the Super Bowl US with Missus McCaffrey

showed up. Yeah, well yeah, maybe we're doing little apologize and we were doing some of that with Dak as well, and that worked out good. But if you love sports and particularly football, it's it's unbelievable. We've done that once. It doesn't it doesn't get old. And to just walk around and everybody's got their guys and that that that do it for him, you know. And you know when

when I when I see Tony Dorissette. I saw Tony Dodrissette every day of my life from like when I was seven years old to fourteen, because I had this poster. I mean, I love Tony Rossette and he's sitting now with Earl Campbell. But Dionne Wat's my life Joe Montana, Well, it never gets old. There's there's sometimes though, where being old, like I am, helps you. We interviewed Carl Eller, the old Minnesota Viking, and my guys had no idea who Carl Eller was wheelchair It was in wilchair. Yeah, he

had his Hall of Fame jacket on. I mean he he you know Carl Eller in my time, like growing up, he was a menace. I mean him, Harvey Martin, Alan Page, you know all these guys. He's Deacon Jones, all these great pass rushers. So my guys when he sits down, you know, you're kind of like they're like, oh my guys, you're looking at me like, okay, brod, is you got

to carry this? So now I'm firing questions at him about Roger Staubach handling scrambling, what it was like to play for Bud Grant, what's it like to stand on the sidelines of the boat teams on the same sideline. You guys didn't get to wear jackets when it was snowing. What was so you know, literally different? Yeah, and so like Gavin Goes, Gavin Dawson, and I work with Goes. Okay, Carl Well thank you so much, you know, and like it was basically a one on one interview with me

and Carl Eller is what it was. And that's just because of growing up and knowing. But Nick's right, sometimes you walk around that room and there's so many people you don't see everybody. You just kind of you're walking and you turn in you're like, oh, I just missed Yeah, oh, I just know you're looking this way. You're looking ahead, but over here to your left is somebody. You should

have probably stopped and said hello to one people. Some of the people we did see was that was I told Derek and you got a little bit of a coaching tree happened here with a lot of former Dallas Cowboys employees rolling around there too, some of the behind media guy. Yeah, four or five six people, and the ones you mentioned weren't even the four. I was thinking

that I know that we're gonna be Yeah. I was like, I've just seen four and you guessed four, and they were all They were all not the ones I was thinking of, but they all sewed up. There's there's a couple of things that happened during that Super Bowl and I'm sorry I hear a storytime guy. There's a couple time I didn't get to go to Fox How to Deal where they had all their talent out. They were

in a room second floor. You can go talk to Jimmy Johnson and all that and Hellman, Yeah, exactly, yeah, and so but you know, I mean, And the other thing was, I wish I would have been able to go because we flew in the Monday night they had the big opening for the media. I'd love to have seen Andy Reid. I'd love to have gone up and talked to Andy Reid again. I had a really great time.

I got the interview talk to Jimmy Man again. If you ever know my stories about Jim McMahon, I was his uber driver before there was uber like when he would go out drinking and you know, and I used to he used meet his wallet and all right, take care of everything, Brian, I'm you know, make sure I get here. And so I told stories on the air about him, and his face lit up remembering these stories, and I was so happy because you know, these these players,

some of the older ones are struggling. You know, they're struggling with the bad equipment they played with and the concussions and things like that, and I just was so happy that I got to see him again and kind of relive all those stories. Yeah, I bet, I bet. And speaking of happy, I mean, do you want to talk about how happy you were when the final score of the game the other day? Did you pick it? Well?

Hold hold on, hold on, hold on. Before we got into that, you know, with the NFL going international, we have a lot of Cowboys fan craving for Spanish content. Yeah, and that's why we were. We were lacking that week. So next year we got we gotta make it. I'm just trying to figure out how I get in on that front. Things about Mica doc Man of the Year, you know, they care about that stuff in Spanish. I'll

tell you this. I will tell you this. Nick came back from Super Bowl and he's like, hey, man, I really think I really think next year we ought to consider starting every year to send a crew to Super Bowl and let's just get on Radio roll and do

some content from Radio Row. And as I started thinking about it, I was like, you know, all the former Cowboys and people related to the Cowboys that are in that environment, we could actually do some fun and I think we might consider that and we'll see if you make that trip can Yeah, because Spanish is not important, You'll definitely if we go, you will definitely be there, no doubt about you. Yeah, that's what I like hearing. No, I'm just trying to getting on this whole experience because

that's the one thing I haven't experienced yet. With the cool I'll tell you this. We did it one year. One year when the super Bowl was here in Dallas. We gotta survive on Radio Row and we and we. That was a weird year because we couldn't get there every day, but we did do a couple of days.

We did shows down there, and it was it was really cool because there were all these people that were walking through And if you're a big fan of the NFL and have been a fan for a long time, it's cool just because you look up and you do notice people that are from your childhood that play that are not walking around, and it's just cool to see all these people in this one environment. It's similar when we went to Hall of Fame and went to Jerry's party.

It's just all the people that are your childhood idol. I think that week everyone is basically in a good mood, and you know, that's when you get people to come up to you and wanting to talk to you, and they're okay with kind of just being friendly. It's a whole different environment than during the season you trying to get content or whatever. They're all there to push something. Yeah, yeah,

you have talking something to talk about something. Yeah. The only team that I saw there, I believe, Nick correct me if I'm wrong, was the Raiders. The Raiders were set up back by where TV was for there in the corner of the Raiders. But yeah, the Raiders seem to go to every one of these things. May have a great budget for whatever they're doing. Seriously, I mean, I mean I see them everywhere everywhere I've ever gone. The Raiders guys and gals are kind of hanging out

there and they're doing content as well. It's but you're right, it's it's a great opportunity to meet people, and the atmosphere of it is. Yeah, once you get past okay, what hot sauce are you pushing, what pork grinds you eating? You know, what bed are you sleeping in? You can get some really good content. You really can. All right, let's talk a little bit about that Super Bowl. I want to get some opinions, and I really want to get it from a Cowboys point of view. Can I

ask you a question about that? Absolutely? Yeah, And I don't mean to interrupt you, because that's one of my questions I had for you guys, And I said this. I said one of the things I said, give me a trait from the Super Bowl teams you wish the Cowboys had when you're watching that game. Give me a trait or something that in that game you said, Man, I wish the Cowboys had that um Patrick Mahomes's arm trait, that they have something the way that maybe that team

was built or somebody. I'll give you one, and I think the Cowboys have it. I just don't think they use it, which is how many times did you see Jalen Hurts on short yardage situations just burrow up the middle of the of the offense And I'm looking at it, I'm like, that could do that. Why don't the Cowboys do that more frequently? Because I do think that that's something that Dallas has the capability to do. They just don't. They're gonna change their rule. They're not changing that rule.

I don't I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I think I don't think they're gonna let people push. I don't buy it. I think they're gonna just because one team's good at it. You don't change the rule because one team's good at it, right, I don't. I think the reason to what Nick is talking about, I think they're worried about bodies on top of bodies, you know, and I don't. Football is a leverage game, push, try and create space. They're worried about men on top of

men on top of you know. But I mean I know, I know, but they're they're worried about like guys, you know, potential knee injuries, back injuries. I know it's blocking. I know it's blocking. I could see with the league with a competition committee says we're not going to allow you to line three guys up behind your quarterback push him or any ball carrier it decides to, you know, take a snap. I do think that they're worried about that.

That just that mass of bodies on top of bodies to create back problems, knee problems, neck problems, you know a lot of I think what you can do is you could say eligible players are not allowed to push. So if the if running back gets six yards and then he gets stopped and then a lineman come in and show up, that's maybe that's one thing. But you can't just head line. I don't know this. I'm just saying that's one way to say eligible guys in the backfield as a designed play to do that. I just

have a feeling things happen when the playoff controversy. I don't even know if it's a controversy, but when things happen when there's a past interference that doesn't get called, and you know with the Rams Saints they change it. Or if Josh Allen doesn't get a turn in the in the postseason, well then they change that rule. Or they don't have three quarterbacks, so the Niners don't have

enough quarterbacks, they're gonna change that rule. So things in that happen in the playoffs tend to get changed for the competition committee. Yeah, I just don't know if this one feels to me like one where you need to change it. It's this team was really good at it, and like I told you, Nick, when we're talking about the quarterbacks, the powerful guy. Yeah, but I think I think the other part to it, too, is you will

have this offseason. There will be five, six, seven teams that will spend this offseason defensive coordinasal spend this offseason figure out how to stop that. Because that's the nature of the NFL. You have some team that does something extremely well, and particularly the teams that are in that division that know they're gonna have to face it twice a year, they'll spend this offseason thinking how do we stop that? And so it'll it'll solve itself. Well, it's

just the nature of the NFL. We got into a discussion on the radio, why wouldn't Philadelphia go for two every play? With that kind of a degree? You know, why would you not even try? I mean literally you could. You could affect games by every time that you scores as much as they score. Don't kick extra points? If I know I'm gonna get a yard two yards every single time, why not just you know you're gonna get somebody lineup off sides, so because they're gonna probably try

and stop it. That way, the submarining the things like that. You know, I like Philly if they're they're so proficient at it that you're like I want to go for two. I mean, they could literally get two yards every time they run that play, you know, and so I could see it, you know it. You know, I think you're right, Derek. I mean I think they're worried about player's safety and that not not that it always matters in players safety for them, because the league does things that are incredibly

stupid for player's safety. But I think this is one of those times that they're probably looking at it and going, you've created an unfair advantage here, you know, and that's we're gonna But that's football, that's you know, you create. Heck, Kansas City run ran two plays that's scored that Philadelphia

didn't even bother to cover. That was an advantage. They knew you were playing man coverage and down on the goal line, and we're gonna mess with your you know, the way you bump and cover and stuff like that. And so that's what football is all about, really is did you have one a trait that you liked from the team, A kicker you can trust. I mean, that was pretty amazing the way they handled that those last few seconds of the game. Absolutely smart. It was the

right way to do it. Yeah, But I was, and that's not even my team, but I was freaking out because I'm just getting just get the points, getting tight and but no, the way they handled that and just being able to trust their kicker in that way, I'm my man. I wish we had that um But it was pretty impressive, both quarterbacks, everything that they did, even Mahomes him coming out what was it the injury when he kind of got banged up at been getting back there and playing the way that he did that was

pretty amazing. So and one of the things, it's like how fast he gets rid of the ball at times, it just boom boom boom. That's another thing I wish we kind of had, and Dak has shown signs of doing that, but it's just again not consistent enough, not in a regular basis where you're constantly being able to trust that part of his game. So just the arm, the quickness alongside with Hurts ability to kind of escape and run and Dac I think he can. He can't

do those things. You've seen him do those things, but just how do you get him to do it week to week every game. I wish the trade I wish they had was to block Philly the way that Kansas City did, the way they can eliminate that pass rush. That going into that game, it was going to be could they block this front and could they give Mahomes, who has banged up, enough time to throw the ball. And you mentioned how quickly the ball it's out. Let's not act like that. The receivers other than the tight

end or Kansas City's real weapons. You know, they did a great job running the football one and they did a really really good job of not letting Hassan Reddick kill them in that football game. And they scheme those receivers and they scheme those guys open. To me, those are the traits if I'm looking, if you're just looking to play Philadelphia, I'm like, letting me block them that way every every time I play them. That give me

that ability to neutralize their front. And the thing about Philly, and we've all known this because we followed them all year. Being a divisional team, Philadelphia scores a lot of points in the second quarter. First half, they're one of the best. The second half, they were close to losing some games.

Now you said that all year, Yeah, they will score early and then all of a sudden the second half, teams kind of figure things out with them, whether they take the foot off the gas or they just don't. They're not as aggressive as they need to be. But that's what got Kansas City back in that game. It was a ten point lead, and I was like, going, Kensey's got him right what they want him here? Kinsey's

good here because Philadelphia will not. Philadelphia does not put their foot on the gas and try and murder people in the second half. The Giants with a team that didn't figure it out, they lost three times. But when Washington played him again, they beat him. When Dallas played him again, they beat him. Obviously Hurts didn't play. But you know, Jimmy Johnson I believe, said that in the middle of the year that maybe Philly teams are going

to figure them out. But if you look at Andy Reid's record at coming off a bye week his whole career, I think it's something ridiculous like twenty two and three or something like and basically, give him two weeks, which is what he had here. Another time to have two weeks, you give him that much time, you know, he's amazing. I'll say another another aspect, too, is a lot of these misdirection plays you see are run off the fact

of Kelsey. When you have a tight end that can line up the way he does, Kittle does it in San Francisco, it is an unbelievable weapon. Schultz is a good tight end, but you don't use him in a way like that where he's not lined up as a receiver, or it could hurt you in so many other ways that touchdown that Tony caught the first one where he went, it's all because of Kelsey. Kelsey's lined up in the slot. Who's gonna cover him? Oh my god, he's coming inside.

Slay's got him. No, everyone's worried about him wide open. I mean, I just think having a tight end like that is a weapon, even when he doesn't even touch the ball. Yep. All right, we're gonna take our first break when we come back. We're gonna talk a little bit about the Hall of Fame. A couple of guys getting into the Hall of Fame, and I'll ask the question Darren Woodson, who did not get in. Was he hurt in some respects of getting in because of the

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the Hall of Fame. You know, we're all getting back. That's the most exciting thing about the Show's not there and I feel like I've got a gonna make that for it. Let's talk about the Hall of Fame. Congratulations to our guys, to Marcus where Chuck Hally being selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame UM something that that I think we all agree to. Marcus's probably due last year in his first year of eligibility. Chuck Hally waited obviously a very very long time, too long, but

a guy that that's very deserving. So congratulations to those guys. We still wait on on Darren Woodson and uh. And it's interesting because I think I've heard several different members of the group that votes for the Hall of Fame talk about Darren Woodson and every time, and what I hear in that conversation is Darren Woodson deserves to be in. He's gonna get in at some point, whatever reason, it

just hasn't happened to this point. Do you guys think that this year it was him not getting in was more of a reflection of the fact that where and how he did get in, and it just wasn't going to be a year where they were going to put

three cowboys in at once. Can I say something. I was with Darren Woodson on Friday afternoon in a Phoenix terminal at the gate and I he was with his wife and a small child, and they had to walk the small child away because I was cussing so much about telling his wife what I thought about the whole situation. And Darren just stood there the whole time and smiled. You know, he took it a lot better than I would have, you know, And I think it I don't think it has anything to do. Let me say something

real quick about Chuck Hally. I think we need to do a better job of getting these veteran members in. If Chuck Helly was good to be in this time, he was good to be in five years ago, ten years ago, let's make it. If we're trying to get these guys into the Hall of Fame, that they realized that they can fully realize the honor that they've been bestowed.

You know, I think there's times where you get to a certain point and you're wondering, age has a factor in this, whether you know Chuck hell, hey, I'm in the Hall of Fame, Well great does he? You know. I mean, I'm not trying to be sad here anything. I'm just saying, you've got we've got to do a better job of when these guys their lives or to that point where they they can they can be a part of it and enjoy it, enjoy it, you know, and enjoy all that. The thing with Darren Woodson is,

and I will I will say this. I've been rile Roy Butler in Green Bay. Darren Woodson's a better player. I've seen John Lynch play a bunch. He is a better player than John Lynch, you know, Troy Palomolo and Ed Reid and those guys. That's to me where Darren Woodson is, you know. But he should have gone in before Leroy Butler went in, and he should have gone in before John Lynch went in. And I don't think it has anything to do with a cowboy number of people.

I just you know, to me, I just don't feel like that these voters have a really a great grasp of what this football player was. And I'm about Darren Woodson. He never came off the field, never, he played on all your special teams. He played on all your defensive snaps. The Dallas Cowboys. He's the all time leading tackler. Am I correct about that? Nick in Dallas Cowboy history? Dallas Cowboys. Think of all the defensive players that are in the Hall of Fame, he is the leading tackler of the

Dallas Cowboys, a storied franchise. Okay, you have to put that guy in and this waiting around and well, I don't know. Well, we've got this safety, that safety. No, the safeties you're putting in are not as good as the safety that's waiting. It's just not. And I've been I've been with Leroy Butler, and I love Leroy Butler. He's not a better player than Darren Woodson. I'm sorry he's not. And so I have a real problem with

the voters. I really do. And we should be to the point now where voters have seen these guys play. It's not like we're watching, you know, watching Deacon Jones play and we're now having to vote. I really didn't see Deacon Jones play. You should know what a great player Darren Woodson was, you know. And and the fact that he's not in the Hall of Fame right now, I thinks as an absolute crime. I really really do. Yeah, DeMarcus Um, you know obviously that you know that's that

was he should have happened last year. You know, it's another flaw in my opinion of the of the voting system of that they're they're trying to I think they're really trying to draw a line in the sand about who it's the first ballot guy, what isn't and so that you know they didn't. I don't think that he should have gone in last year because last year's class wasn't as good as this year's class. But I just think that they're trying to to eliminate that. But I mean,

obviously deserving. Um. You know, from the very moment he started playing football with the Cowboys, it was talked about, well, you know, he's not ready for the Hall of Fame, and Parcels tried to, you know, do that, and obviously he is, you know he is now. But I mean that was kind of the trajectory of his career was could he could he be the next LT for Parcels? Could he be a Hall of Famer? And he wasn't

the next LT. Um who knows if there anyone will be, but certainly, uh, you know where it was deserving and I think it helped him obviously to go to Denver and win a championship there and have von Miller talk about how instrumental he was for his career. So, um, you know that that obviously deserving. But like he said, he knows exactly where he is. He's in the Hall of Fame. Um, I don't know if Chuck Hawley does. I don't know if he knows that he's got dementia

right now. He's eighty something years old. It's unbelievable. You said five to ten years, forty years. Yes, he hadn't made a play in forty five years. You see, That's what I'm saying. If you're if you're to the point where you could be in the Hall, and let me let me say something. Guys like Rick Goslin, Sharne Williams, Clark, judge people that I know that vote for the Hall of Fame. They're the ones championing Chuck. They're pushing for ray Field, right, Bob Hayes, Chuck Halley. And you know

Rick Goslin is from Detroit, Michigan. He has no biased as a Pittsburgh guy or something like what you gotta put in Jack Hamm, you gotta put in you know this guy, you gotta put in that guy. No, I mean they look legitimately you're fighting. But the problem I has I think the league is the Hall of Fame. Butters have done a better job of trying to right some of the wrongs. I think that's why. Now, Yeah, Darren Woodson is a wrong. That's a wrong. Right now,

that that is a wrong. I said it earlier. Trey Paulomalo, Ed Reid, those are those are different cats. You know, the guys you've put in now were good players. They're not as good as this guy. And I and I'm and I don't I'm not making a personal thing. I competed against this guy. I mean, and I've been with great players my my thirteen years of scouting. He is the best player I've ever been with. I've been with Reggie White. I've been with Reggie White I've been with

like Brett Farb, I've been with some great players. Ett Smith been great players. This guy deserves to be that guy. He absolutely deserves coached him one year, says he's one of the top five players he's ever coached. And that's a lot from a guy like Bill Parcel and Bill Bill seen a Ton. You know who number one is? Yeah, And so you know, two, three, and four. I mean, I'm not Jim Burt dot he's in that, but you know,

I mean, but nothing gains Jim Burt. Yeah, I mean, I'll guarantee you if he listed as five, Lawrence Taylor, Curtis Martin, he loved Curtis, Mary did, I would be there, and you know, I don't I don't know some of the others. I mean, he loved Banks and all that. But but but to have Woodson from that group, yeah, you know, maybe Witten, Yeah, I mean yeah, maybe yeah. See that's the thing. I just I just find it so tough, and and Darren Woodson such a class act.

He's standing there and he's just smiling and literally I am losing my mind at a gate at the airport. And his poor wife, she did she had to cover the little kid's ears. I'm sorry, I apologize I did, and she completely agree and understand the whole like where the system is messed up as far as like everything

you just said, Brian. But at the same time, at this point, for this year, I'm like, Okay, and this may sound and says that because it's not me obviously I would won the award this year or give it to me now today, But I'm like, what's the big deal in a way, because you know you're gonna get it,

You're you're step closer than you've ever been before. And he's not that old, he's still relatively young, and guess you want him to get it this year, but it's it's like one of those things I would assume next year he gets in. You would hop every year. It just you think it's gonna happen. It doesn't happen, but it just feels like he's closer than he's ever been, so at some point it's gonna get there. Very So you're right, and my argument is two players win in

that aren't as good as him. That's my argument. I totally see what you're saying. I totally get it that well, event she he'll get in. I'm like, Okay, good, he'll get in. Well what about these other two guys that are good football players, good football players, but not as good. See that's the thing that bothers me. It's all about it's not the hall of good, it's a hall of great. And he is, you know, he's a Darren Woodson is a great football player. And Zach Thomas who also played

for the Cowboys one year. But he's a he's a Miami dolphin of course. Uh, he was at this level four years in a row. So so it's a kind of a process. And that's what Woodson talked about that you know, unless you're a first ballot guy you get to fifteen. Waited song to get fifteen, it's gonna be a little bit. Charles Haley took a little bit of time to kind of get get but but I'm just saying it's it's a process. You're right, it'll it'll happen.

It'll get there. Um. But he to say that Darren's a class act is just I mean, that's just that's that's probably the part I think, just talking about a football player. I mean, we get he you know, Leroy, Butler's a nice guy. John Lynch is a nice guy. Darren Woodson's a nice guy. It's about football, It's about lining up and playing. He is the all time leading tackler for one of the most storied franchises in NFL history,

and he is waiting to get into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, that's that's the issue I have, and especially with who's ahead of him, who win ahead of him. Yeah, that's

the problem I have right now. Well, we will be hoping that next year, or the year after, or sometime soon he will get his just due, because I think I think there's a general consensus among most fans and certainly among some of a lot of the people I've heard that have done interviews who are on that voting committee, that has said Darren Woodson serves to be in the Hall of Fame. And so I think there's there's kind

of that general consensus. Like you said, Nick, maybe that's just a matter of talking about those exactly get it done. Let's be able to celebrate Darren at some point. All Right, we're gonna take our final break, will come back. Brian's got a game for us, He's got some questions. We're gonna go through those in our final segment, we'll be back Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio. The season is finally here. For months, we've been gearing up to win. Now it's

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Wait say again, coaching situation a NFC East that affects the Cowboys more Mike McCarthy now calling the plays or the fact that Philadelphia just lost their two coordinators. Um, I would say, Philly, we don't know the replacement. They haven't know that both their guys just got the gigs, so they're they're trying, they're hunting up to they lost their offensive coordinator and their defensive coordinator. And then I'm trying to ask you here is no no, no, I

got your question. I was thinking who, because we don't know yet. But but I would say probably what's happening over there in Philly with those changes. I mean with Mike, I don't really fully know how he's gonna be calling the place and taking over that whole offense, but you know he has the experience and all that he's been here for a while now with Philly, those are two

big changes overall. So I'm curious to see what happens there, and the fact that they got to the super Bowl, and you know, people want to pull up the schedules that they had, the people that they went up against this year and just kind of say, well, they just had a favorable schedule. But the reality is they still made it to the super Bowl and they still show things in the game that we're pretty impressive, and you

got to give them credit for that. So anytime you have changes like that at the coordinator position, you're hoping for us the Cowboys that it takes them a whole year maybe to kind of get things figure out again and just things clicking. So I would say maybe maybe that because I see that as a biggest change as opposed to Mike calling the plays. Nick, I'm gonna go with the mic call in the plays just because I think that, you know, it'll change The Cowboys lost what

a couple overtime games. They lost some close games, you know, an extra series here that's stalled at midfield that they could have kicked the field goal or scored a touchdown. I think I think calling the plays is going to affect a little a few more games, kind of put them over the top. I think the Eagles will be good. They'll They'll have good coordinators, they have good players, and so I think the call in the plays. I mean, it's a good question, but I call it the plays.

I agree with Nick. And the reason why I agree with Nick is as long as Harry Roseman is still there, I don't know if the coordinators matter of ton Like, he's turned over this coaching staff a couple of times to go on the Super Bowl with two different staffs, So that says to me that it's more about them building the players that they need to build. They can put in the right guys to be able to do what they need to do from a coordinator standpoint, So I don't know that that's going to be a huge

deal for them. I hope. I hope that having Mike McCarthy called plays is a big change for the Cowboys. We don't know, we'll see, That's what I'm hoping. But but the fact of the matter is, I just with Philly, I think they have the players, so and I'm gonna bank on the fact that Kim calling the plays will help him be a manager of the game even better. I think it'll help him. I mean, but I don't know. Some people think it might hurt. I think it'll help

him manage the games better. You know what. I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful what they will do as they will say, give me a game management coach, Give me a guy who sits there and manages the game and gets in the head coaches here and says, hey, Mike, think about this, this is coming up here. Hey Mike, Hey, did you notice that the clock is running down on us? So like, yeah, let help the coach out so the coach can have somebody who is only thinking about game management situations that helps.

I think every team in the NFL should do it, and I don't to this day, don't understand why they don't have a game management coach for every team. But go ahead, all right, Derek, I'll come back to you on this one. Or actually, Nick, I'll cut you in this one. Derek just gave a good answer this. So you guys all gave great answers by the boy. Thank you, uh because you know me, I tell you if you didn't give a game would and you wouldn't even wait to the got right in the moment. I'm that kind

of guy. Hard to get along with. All right, Uh, Nick, Hardest to get a contract extension from Lamber Diggs? M h um, let me ask you this question? Can I ask him? I know why you laugh? Can I ask this question on our show? Though? Is that fair? Is that a fair question? Yeah? I don't have to work for I don't want to get this in trouble or anything. Oh no, No, hardest to get. Hardest to get a

contract extension from Lamber dis Yeah. Uh. The first time I've actually thought about Diggs, this contract and anything that I've done. Um. Sorry, inside joke, that wasn't inside. Uh. I think I think Trayvon will be a little tougher because I believe that Trayvon is going to be the highest paid corner in the NFL. I don't think Lamb could could say that, and I think so that being said, I think it'll be a little tougher to get Diggs. Plus, he's got one year left. He got a couple of

years for CD that you could work with. So I think trey Von, you know his brothers in the league, he knows about big deals and all that stuff. I think that he's gonna try to get the to be the highest paid defensive player or cornerback in the league. Yeah, I agree with that, and I think it's even more complicated by the fact that, you know, when you start talking about cornerbacks, you look at a lot of different things. You can look at the interceptions, and first year he

had all those interceptions. This year he didn't quite have as many, And those are the kinds of things that then turn into negotiating reasons, right, negotiating things that you talk about. And so I think it's gonna be a little bit of a challenging negotiation. But I think at the end of the day, you're right, Nick, like, he is one of the best in the league. So he's gonna he's gonna set the market, you would think. And anytime you got a guy that's gonna set the market,

it's gonna be a hard negotiate. It's gonna have to be a hard negotiation. A gee. I agree with that as well. But with Lamb, just think that the Cowboys would be more important. Like they're not gonna first, who do they have behind Lamb? Nobody else? Who knows who they draft and what position, how high. But aside from that, they're not gonna let their eighty eight just walk out that easily. You know, he's part of the face of

the franchise right now. So the Cowboys, one thing we know is when they want something, they make it happen and they get it done. So I think that overall they would be more committed into making an investment in CD Lamb rather than trevel On Diggs. I worry about Diggs trying to get to twenty one million dollars. I worry about that because that's what There's three guys that make twenty twenty one million dollars in this league. And I wonder if the Cowboys really feel like and I'm

just again, I'm not this is just me talking. I'm not. I haven't talked to anybody in the Cowboys about this, but I would just be curious to see if they see him as a twenty twenty one million dollars year player. I think they should. Honestly, I think he's I think he's one of the best players on this team. And I think when you look at the losses they had Jacksonville, Green Bay, Philly, the guys on the other side were

giving up place they need to invest in cornerback. Cornerback may need to be the first round pick you know, or at least if there is one. I don't know what the talent looks like there, but but in the top few picks because cornerback I think hurt him at times this year and he and it could have hurt him a lot worse if he's not shutting down half of his side. Yeah, And that's that's the point that needs to be made about that is in this instance,

don't get caught up in the interception. Now. Yeah, he what he did in the first year is the reason why he didn't get his many interceptions this year because teams were like, I ain't throwing over there, Like if I got option, I'm throwing, I'm throwing somewhere else. And that tells you just how good and how respected he is as a cornerback. You got a fact of that part in is that's not about the numbers. Yeah. I think they're going to bring him the tackling stuff though, too.

Oh the tackling. Yeah, I think I just, you know, a negotiation like this, when you're talking about all that stuff, you know, that's everything every you know, I think it's gonna be harder for Digs. I just do. I just feel like he's gonna see he's I think Diggs is a is a literally dig in guy. I could see him digging in and saying, listen, no, I'm worth I'm worth more than this. I don't know if you'll see him in the off season if if they don't get a deal, I could I could see a which isn't

a huge hold. Autum could be Yeah, that could be tough, all right, Derek, Oh gosh. Earliest, the careliest round the Cowboys will draft a quarterback? Quarterback? Okay, um, is this what I what I think or what I what I want? I'm just whatever, however you want to answer that? All right?

The earliest I think the Cowboys are gonna draft a quarterback with all the things they got round, with all things they got going on right now where they need some reinforcements, I don't think they should do that until at the early maybe fourth or fifth round, either one, pick one my preference, fifth round. Okay, what do you think they're gonna do? I think that dispensed on how the board falls, Like, I don't know enough about who's gonna be there at each round, but I would say

I was about right. I'll put it like this, if they if they had a guy that they really loved as earth and it was he was a better value than the other round of the other positions, I could see him doing his earliest third. Yeah, yeah, Nick, Well, I think I think the key with the draft always is that there's a big there's a big event happening before that with free agency, So it is tough to know,

you know, what happens with Cooper Rush. Do they decide, hey, we're keeping him, We're keeping him as as our backup. If not, then if he if he goes, if he goes somewhere else, fine. But but I'm if they said, hey, we're going to invest in a backup and have him here, then I think that changes is the question a little bit. But here's the thing though, and we talked about this on last week's show. Whoever they might draft this year, the likelihood they'll be ready to be a backup this

year is probably really small. Right friends, where you draft them, you're not drafting them in the top of the first round because you don't have a top first round pick. You start talking about anything lower than mid first round, it's hard to think they're going to be ready to start this year. If I drafted a third round quarterback, I would imagine he could be the backup really yeah in year one. Yeah, that's why he's in the third round.

I mean, that's the difference between that's the dialogue at that is. I think that's I think that's it's more likely you could have a guy like that you could rely on by year two, three, four, I don't know, if you're one, I would want to rely on them as a backup in an offense where I have a quarterbacks why and I want to run the ball. That's why they don't do it. I mean, honestly, that's why they don't do it a whole lot because you don't. You don't you want your second and third round pick

to play, right, That's my point. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah, how about you ag? I think that to me personally, I would think it all comes down to what that he's tied to do in free agency as far as other needs are they gonna be investing because otherwise if otherwise, if they handle free agency as they have the past couple of years, I just find it hard to believe that they would invest even a fourth round pick on

a quarterback. You have so many other needs. You have a lot of key guys that are about to become free agents for the Cowboys, so to me, I have even though Jerry came out and said that they're planning on drafting a quarterback every year now. So but I would say if they do, it would be fifth or up. Would this be a weird draft if they take a running back in the first round and a quarterback in the third? How would you look at that? Like? Okay, say like it take Bijean Robinson, say you move on

from Zeke and you move on Frodcain. I'm not trying to get rid of Zke care. I'm just telling I'm just doing a show here, not trying to like doing just doing a show. Let's get that, you know. I'm not Dallas Cowboys, not calm, trying to get rid of players there. But if they move on, yeah I'm trying. I mean, I really am. But if they move on, we need disclaimers around here. We do do well. That's

the problem here. Does he need to let everybody know, by the way, we've been doing this for twenty something year. But just in case you didn't know, love Ze everyone just doing shows. We're just doing a show. Contract money. We're just doing shows. Trust me. Really, we love these guys. I'll say he needs they need to cut him, they do. They need to move on Zeke. Yeah, I mean they need to move on. I'm sorry they have to say. I know, but but but even Steven said it the

other day. Even Steven like that. He said it the other day show what do you say? What? He said, Hey, we love Zeke, we love Zeke. He did the whole brilliant thing with but he also said hey, but he said, hey, he's he's got it. It's got to work. It's got to work for both of us. And and if you cut him down to five million a year, which would be a big cut, that still doesn't look that's still too much for what he's gonna give you. I'm sorry. Tony Pollard gets hurt before halftime and it was over.

It was over. They had no shot to win and move the ball because they didn't have any weapons. And you've got to have some weapons. And so I think you have to draft someone first or second round. That guy's here, Pollard's here. Your third back, Malik Davids was making eight hundred thousand. Yeah, that's what the third back is supposed to make, so it's hard to do it on the under the constraints of salary. They won't do

it to Zeke because they respect him too much. But the league minimum is what they want to pay for the third back, and I don't think they they have. I wouldn't want to. I mean, it's like it's like given a tip for a dollar. If you're not gonna tip, just don't tip. Don't don't do that and then set them. I don't think they'll do it. You think that five millions too much. It depends on the role. Let's assume

for a second. Let's assume for a second, but let me say, let's assume for a second that they draft Bijan Robinson in the first round, and let's also the horns up. I mean, for that, of course you would and let's just I though he's that wouldn't even be appropriate. Um, but let's also but let's also assume that they don't put the franchise tag on Polar and Polar ends up leaving. Oh. Now, if you're in that circumstance where Bijandre top guy, and you want to keep Zeke around and you're paying five

million dollars, I feel good about that. I'm okay with that. However, how much is the tag again ten point one? It's like stealing money, like that's so that you have to do it. The thing about that is it doesn't work that I know, because the timing doesn't work. You have

to make that. Yeah, I get that. All I'm saying is, let's assume they decide that they're not going to use the franchise tag on him, and then they would be in that situation because I do think Tommy Pollard would get probably more money in free agency than the Cowboys would maybe be willing to pay a running back. That being said, I guess that would be a scenario where I'd be like five million for Zeke. I feel like

that's okay, But I agree with you. I think the delicate balance is, and it should be, they respect him too much to give him a low ball offer. They're not gonna say, hey, Zeke, we'll pay you three hundred, we'll pay you three million, we'll pay you five hundred, will pay eight hundred thousand. They're not gonna do that to Zeke. And so if he's the third running back, just the dynamics of the salary cap says, you can't pay your third running back five million dollars. That just

doesn't make sense. And the only thing maybe is if they keep him, they cut him down pretty pretty good and then they don't draft until like the fourth round. Then that and that guy will be an all pro. Yeah right, See the thing about it, it's interesting with these running backs the way and again the draft show coming up next h over time that I'm just trying to carry this thing to the draft shows just real

quick though. Yeah, I've got nowhere to go. I know you guys like switch it, but okay, so I'll finish up with this. I'll finish up with this one. Though. This running back class is extremely deep. I might gamble here. I might gamble. I might let Pollard walk and try and sign him but to a lower number other than

the franchise tag. And I might and I might. Just I'm gonna move on from Zeke because I feel like the depth of this draft that running back will allow me to if I get wiped out where Zeke's gone, Pollard's gone, I know now I'm gonna go draft one of these kids because there might be a situation with Pollard might get out in the free agency and people go and he's a good player, but he's not as good as Jamar Gibbs from Alabama ice crutches. Yeah he's not. Yeah he's not. He's not as good as Zach Evan.

There are teams that might not be willing to pay any running back exactly, exactly exactly. That's as we were having this come or listening to you guys talk about

those two guys. In my mind, I'm starting to think, Okay, if I could trust the Cowboys to really use that money somewhere else and not be something similar as we saw after the Amark Cooper trade, I would I would try to cut them and find some money is yeah, but no, like even on offense, I'm trying to look where can I really put some investment here, because I do believe with the old line doing their job, you can't plug in and I know it's not that easy sometimes,

but you can plug in a good running back that's young, and it would work for them if you have Dak healthy doing everything he needs to do, the old line kind of working and healthy as well. All you need is to really add weapons that can really go down the field and just have a younger person there at running back and make it work. And we say we saw it with Malik Davis, and I agree with Nick. When Paula got hurt and he went out, they just couldn't. That was game over. But if you got ready and

prepare yourself for that, I think they can. They can truly make it work. Yeah, you look at roster construction. I saw this graphic the other day, the running back the top running back for the last I think I would say it was like ten or fifteen super Bowl winning teams. Yeah, they're making no money at all. And it's because you can, like the Chiefs, if you've got the right checks everywhere else but check go was mine right.

He was able to do the job. And the running back position in the NFL is so much about juice. Do you have juice in your legs? Can you? Can? You make things happen when you need to. And it's what we saw from Tony Pollard this year. And Tony Pollard wasn't a first round draft pick. You know, you can get a guy who's younger, you can get a guy who is a lower draft pick, and you can get some good production, good enough production to win at

the running back position. Which is another reason why it just doesn't make sense if you're gonna pay especial if you're gonna put the franchise tag on Tony Pollard, to then have to go back and pay a significant amount of money to Zeke. That just it doesn't work in today's financial part of the NFL. I don't think they would have to cut his salary significantly to make it really well, we might not be able to cut it enough enough. Right, all right, appreciate you guys joining us.

Our producer is telling us to get off the air, So we will get off the air and we will be back next week on Wednesday. Till then for nick Et when Brian brought us Amber Garcia, I'm Derek Hilton has been The Break Live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.