Cowboys Break: Striking Out With Carroll

of The Break, Live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, we've got breaking, breaking, breaking news for you guys. Actually, if you listened to The Break regularly, you actually probably knew that this could be a possibility, or maybe it was coming because we've been talking about this for the last couple of days. But we've we've now started to hear reports and suggestions at the Cowboys actually gonna make a move on. Nolan Carroll, Dave, you've been on top

of the story since it started breaking. What do we hear? Yeah, it's not I mean, we got our own ways of getting information around here. It's not just going off reports and other people's knew that was confirmed. It good. We have Well, he is not officially not a member of the Cowboys anymore, but he will be. He is going to be released. Um, biggest free agent signing of twenty seventeen. Uh. I mean it's funny because, yeah, and I defended Nolan Carroll more than most. I don't think he was, as

I said, more than most. No, No, I was agreed with that. I was just saying that you should never I don't think he was as awful during training camp as he got a lot of credit for. I certainly don't think he had a great stint here Um he was, he had a sizeable contract compared to basically everybody else at the position, and he's been out for the better part of a month and a rookie stepped up and kind of took his job away from him. So, um, it's it's funny because I didn't go back and listen

to it. But I think what I remember talking about yesterday was it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to cut Nolan Carroll. But you know, with Cheeto Woozier's hamstring and just the nature of having so many young guys, maybe you still want to keep a veteran around. But I guess you kind of look at it and say, well, he wasn't super good last time he played, and he's making a lot of money, and these young guys are playing pretty well, So let's just go ahead and move

across this bridge. Because that's what he was anyway, a bridge player. So what do you think that means about Cheeto? Though? I know, and I got your point yesterday that until he was completely healthy, why lose a body, even as bad as I thought he'd play. So I lose a veteran body. And we're joking about this the other day about how me and Nick are the type of sickos who were thinking about this stuff all day every day.

So I saw this morning. I saw this morning that he's gonna probably gonna be cut, and I'm walking my dog and I'm thinking about it. I'm like, Okay, well, how do these numbers make sense? And I came to the conclusion that it really doesn't matter, because even without Carol, you still have five true cornerbacks. You got Scandrick, you got Brown, you got Lewis, you got Cheeto, and you

have ben abin Wickery. Cheeto's hamstring is obviously a problem, but for the time being, you also know that Xavier Woods can play nickelbacks, so and then you know you have a roster spot, which, for all we know, you could use on cornerback, or you could find a way to bring another cornerback to the team if you really wanted to. But they have enough corners to play a game even if Cheeto's not healthy. And then when he presumably does get health healthy, hopefully after the bye week,

then you have plenty of bodies. When you think about that, Nick with ben abin Wickery assume I mean, obviously Benet's going to be on this team, Carol is not, and you're not really saving money. You're actually you still had four million. There's a four million dollars guarantee. I think on that one he's gonna count. He's gonna count two million towards the cab next year, right, So you you're

basically paying him to walk away. Way. What does that really say about kind of how the Cowboys feel about him as a player, Well, it means that he wasn't going to help them at any point. They didn't feel like he was good enough to have in the building. So um, you know, and maybe there's more to it that that we don't know. Maybe there's more to this, uh in the DWI that something's going to go come

down at some point there. But I think they're just going to completely wash their hands of him and say, well, you know, I mean, you gave you plenty of opportunities to do things on the field, you didn't do it. He got hurt, they had to make sure he was one hundred percent healthy before he came back, and then they just he's not good enough to be on this

football team. I mean, he's probably better than than been Wickery, but at the at the price and everything, I think they just want to send a message, and that's this is the time to send messages. You think about it too. No one care and that's I never had a problem with the signing. And don't get there are cowboy fans out there right now who are saying I've been saying this March, this guy's a bomb. I told him the

day they signed him, he's a bomb. But they signed him two months before they drafted any of these cornerbacks. That's the way this works is if you're gonna let Brandon car and Morris Claiborne go, you gotta make sure you have a competent cornerback who can play for you if the draft doesn't work out, or if your draft

pick tears his ACL or whatever. So you do your due diligence, You give yourself some insurance in March, and then you addressed the position, and then draft and hopefully your draft picks are good enough to make him irrelevant.

And that appears to be what they feel about the situation right now, and your expectation, or at least their expectation, probably was that it was going to take a little longer, that bridge was going to be necessary for a little longer, because it may take those rookies a little longer to be ready to play at that level, and it seems like Jordan Lewis may have already shown them that good enough to play at that level. You talk about the necessity of having a veteran guy, to me, that doesn't

mean anything, at least with Nolan Carroll, right. Veteran means absolutely nothing because he hasn't given us that. So let's give it to Jordan Lewis and these rookie guys and we'll just see if they can manage with what they

got right now. Yeah, I think that's a good point, because it's one thing for veteran to have a veteran it's another thing of that veteran isn't playing very well, because then you're you're kind of you might as well take the young guy and they grow with him, let him make the mistakes he's gonna make as a part of maturing and getting better. It makes you wonder, you know, if if either of those guys, or both of those guys preferably had been healthy during training camp, if Nolan

Carroll's not a cutdown day cut like Cedric Thornton was. Yeah, so, but obviously they weren't, and so but what it took a month for them to feel good enough about their young guys that they didn't need him anymore. I guess when you still think about it overall, though, do you think it was a bad decision for them to sign

him because they did still guarantee him. It's not a ton of money, but it's a it's a significant amount of money from the standpoint of just it's not it's more it's four million dollars guarantee for a guy play two games. Of course, it was a bad decision anytime you sign a guy and he can't even make it through you know, week five or you know a week six of the season. I mean, yeah, it was a bad decision. They didn't, especially with the guys that they

let go. Um, But I was I mean, I wasn't one that was like, oh my god, this is a horrible move. So I mean, I can't sit here and say that that's the that's the epitome of hindsight. Like I said, But it was a bad decision, right, it has to be a bad you know, it's a it was a good decision that didn't pan out. That doesn't make it a bad decision. How was it a good decision? Because again, what I just said, you need to address the position. No, no, no, no no, no. What I said

what you could address the position. But there were a lot of free agents out there, including the guys that you let walk out of the door. So I if you brought him, if you brought him in, if you brought him in and he could only make it five games, and then you made the decision that, for whatever reason, you're going to continue to pay him what you want him to leave, that has to be a bad decision. Brand cars making double what you're paying, not guarantee, not all,

it's all player incentives. He's right, exactly. So that's the point. So if he plays well, you're happy to pay him that amount of money. Right, It wasn't a guarantees that There wasn't a big difference in guarantees between these two contracts. They didn't want Brandon car Okay, but that's part of the decision, right. The decision that they made was that they'd opt for Carrol. And when they opted for Carol, they ended up with a guy that made it five

games and only played two. You have, and then they paid him to walk away. You have to address the position at some point or another otherwise, absolutely right. But again, when you sign a player, it's a gamble. It's not necessary. That's when you make a good decision or bad decisions. I there's good picks, bad picks, right, I mean, yeah, this is there's nothing Will McClay and this and these guys have been great in free agency, and so we're

not knocking that this was a bad decision. I guarantee he'll come right in here and tell you, yeah, we messed up that one. Yeah, because you talk about double what Brandon car He's gonna play triple the games. He's definitely gonna have double the interceptions and all that. I mean, there's no way that they thought, you know what, just let him play four or five games and then we cut them. I don't look at it as a bad decision because I don't look at him as a guy

that they ever wanted to be around. But you have to pay somebody to play the position. And yeah, I mean funny, this is like ironic. This is like the flip for the game. Like I look at it like it wasn't a bad decision to go score. You have to score, you have to address the points, and so you go and you score, and you have to score and you can't worry about it, so it wouldn't be you know, And it's just funny how it's like it's like I see what you're trying to say there. Yeah, no,

I mean, but I do. It's like it's just the way we look at things like I don't, I don't fault Garrett, and then for doing that, and you you did, and I don't, it's fault. It's very similar. You're right, because you have to sign a player, right, you have to pay that player, especially who you who you sign.

Is where I'm saying, is that was at it. I want you to come back in here with a list of dudes that were available and affordable that car I've been saying, I've been saying forever Brandon Cars a guy they should have kept. And that's where I think that decision was a port. I'll know how calculated all of our decisions are. Um Carrot Kent's always so ready with prayer drops. Now I'll sit right here and say I didn't think that there was much of a difference between

Carrol and car Honestly, I didn't know. I had not Well here's the deal. I didn't know like other people sit and go, No, I didn't know what I didn't know what Nolan Carroll was because I hadn't watched a whole lot of Nolan Carrell. I did see its abuse him, but I didn't know what he was. And I asked Brian as soon as they signed, I was like, is this what do you think? And he was like, that compliment him, Well, that's not that he had a good

games had a good game against him. He's thinking about Bradley Fletch, right, Bradley who Bradley Fletcher Fletcher right that No, that last game that the Cowboys played, when the last game Dez played a lot versus Nolan Carroll, did he not have a few touch I thought it was touchdown? Main. My main thing Nolan Carroll is that he's the guy that Terence used on Romo's last ever touchdown. That's Carol Well. But I guess the point I'm making is I didn't

know what to expect from Nolan Carroll. What I did know is when it came to Brandon Carr, he was a reliable cornerback, didn't miss games, and I never thought he was as bad as a lot of people thought he was. I thought he was a good, solid cornerback, and for me, a good solid cornerback when you're trying to revamp the position was what you need it. You needed that kind of guy to be kind of your glue guy and be your bridge guy until those young guys could step up. I wish I had had time

to research this. I know, knowing or Brandon Carr's contract was very incentive based. I know that, but I think it's guarantees. I want to say, was it wasn't a lot more? I want to say six or seven million, six or seven million, and guarantees Carol had four that's less. You were the ones just saying four million is not significant, So two million is now significant. So you're letting, you're

you're letting go of the guy. You're you're you're still paying him less and for the record, letting a guy, but he's also gonna play a ton more when guy walk over. Four million is not a big deal in the world of the NFL. It's foot two million dollars difference for a guy that's going to be here is a bit. I'm just so they went bargain hunting and it didn't work out. That's what they did, right. It didn't work out because it was not the right guy.

Doesn't make it a bad decision. It makes it. It's a necessary decision, and honestly it necessary was them having to sign a cornerback. Yeah, necessary is not having to sign Nolan Carre. I want Brandon car It has to be Brandon car Like, that's ridiculous, not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that if you're not going to if you're going to make a decision between those two, Brandon Carr was the better decision. That's what I'm saying Brandon Carr might look equally, but in this defense with

no other help around him. I mean, he's public enemy number one among cows. I don't care about public I don't care about what fans think about it. What I said it was I didn't think he was a bad cornerback. I thought he was a solid cornerback that was reliable. This is just the epitome of rearview mirror stuff right here. That's all right, But all all we're saying is is that it was I mean, you can chalk it up

as a bad decision. There's no way Jerry's about to sign this like okay, we're doing this, and then like you sure, like he's only gonna play like two games. He's gonna have a really bad training camp. He's also going to get rested for d WI. Good decision, We're good, great decision because we gotta address the position. I see your point, but that's that's just your way of saying, let's move on, yo. Never the last two minutes he's argued just for the sake of arguing. He saw it

back when you made the analogy. I still I see this is probably not a fruitful I think he's I think what you're saying is is okay, yeah, whatever, but move on like it's not gonna kill this team. I absolutely there's there's that and problem, of course, and I just I get your point and in like, I mean, okay, bad decision, but no history here. But I still know I still can't even go all the way there. I still can't. It's it's a it's a decision that had to be made that didn't work out. And I think

that's different. That's the definition of a bed. I think I have a feeling though, that had the Cowboys signed Brandon car we would be talking about them not getting some other guy instead. I don't think so. I don't think Brandon Carr would be the problem right now, and that it wouldn't be the main problem because I'm pretty sure people would not be happy with that decision either. We would still be talking about it right now right now. Can I say this? And I don't know about Nolan Carroll.

In the meeting rooms, you said that we didn't really see a veteran, you know, we didn't see the veteran type of player that you were signing. I don't know about the meeting rooms and how he groomed those guys along. But I know Brandon Carr is a leader. He is, He's a veteran player like that, so you would get that. I can't speak for Nolan Carroll, but I know off

the field he wasn't setting a good example. You know, he said all the right things after he was arrested, and he talked about a training camp and that, but still happened. And you know, I don't know if that was a major deal in this whole deal. I don't know if he'll ever be suspended or Yeah. I won't crucify him too much over that because I'm you know, I'm big on the idea that, you know, if sometimes mistakes happen and people do things and later they're like, man,

that's not even in my character. I did it. It was a bad decision, and now I have to live with that and I deal with the consequences. So I'm not crucifying him so much for that. I'm more talking about what he did on the field. And on the field, I just didn't think he was that great. He wasn't, I got you know, I'll try to rephrase this. I'm trying to dig myself out of here, but I'll give

you some time to dig yourself out. The nice thing about the way the Cowboys handle free agency the last few years is, Okay, maybe it's a it's a bad call. Clearly it's a bad call. The guy's not on the team anymore, But it doesn't matter. It's it's it was a very affordable, smart signing. They signed him so that they would have bodies if it didn't pan out for them in the draft. That's why you know they didn't.

It's not like Namdi assmoa where you give him a fifty million dollar contract and then he puts up that performance or love him as much as I do giving Brandon car fifty million dollars and getting three career interceptions out of it or whatever he finished with during his time here, and that's you know, as much as people want to see them go big game hunting in free agency, that's a great benefit to doing it is that you're

not making or breaking your roster with these decisions. Yeah, and I agree with And that's why I'm reluctant to kill them over this because it's like, all right, great, like you tried to find a bargain and didn't work out. You got some draft picks, You're fine. Yeah, And let's

be honest. I'm not killing them over this. I'm just saying that I think, in hindsight, I think it's played out in a way to where they at least have to acknowledge the fact that maybe, in looking at this player, maybe they should have kept and maybe it's not Brandon car Maybe they should have kept I don't know. Maybe

they should have kept Mo Clayborn. I don't think so, but I think maybe they should have considered the fact that keeping some continuity would have been a better option than going out and getting a guy that you didn't really know as well, and then you get him in here and realize in two games he's not the right answer. Let's continue to pay him, but let's get him out

of the building. Yeah, I hear you. All right, let's go ahead and take our first break when we come back here intense as every show is here on the break, we're gonna take the break. But on the second half of the show, we want to talk a little bit about an article that Dave wrote yesterday. It's a really good article he talked about He laid out five different

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good Um, let's jump in. Dave. You wrote a really really good article yesterday, thanks Derek Um, and it was detailing to the five factors affecting the Cowboys after the bye. And actually Nick, you mentioned to me in the break that you guys are actually playing. This a three part series.

There will be a second part today that Rob will right talking about the five players who should be playing more getting more opportunities in the second part of the season after the bye, and then Nick on Friday, you're gonna finish it. I'm sorry, Thursday, You're gonna finish it off with a five pivotal plays from the first five games the season. The five pivotal plays, most pivotal plays if they matter, you know, if it even matters to look back. But I think you know, I don't know

that Amber's cares very much. But hey, we'll we'll see if it turns out to be something that fans care about. Dave, but tell us about this article, and I guess let's let's dive in. I guess let's say that the first one, the first point that you made was the Zeke situation. Was what you called it? That would be the first factor. Tell me why that is so important to tell me

kind of what fans should be expecting in the situation. Well, I mean, as far as we understand it, by the time the Cowboys begin really preparing for their next opponent, we will have as much clarity as we can probably hope to have about what's going on with Zeke and his discipline. The US Fifth Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals is supposed to rule on the NFL's request for a stay of his injunction. So basically, Zeke has a temporary restraining order that has let him play this entire season.

The NFL is arguing that that causes them irreparable harm. In other words, they can't take it back. Wait, what do you mean? In other words, the league is saying that there's harm being done right as I can't get back. They can't recoup this right, just making sure fans understand. Yeah, they're arguing that it hurts their brand and their image and their everything for him to be playing games. I know what you're doing after they suspended him. I don't.

I'm just trying to fight through here. I don't. I don't know who he's going after either. But you're just letting your wife know you do pay attention with other stuff at home set. We don't talk about legal stuff. I don't, okay unless Zeke is in court and Derek's like tell me everything. Um, sorry, we got more important. So, uh, it's a this this court, it's not one judge like it was up in Sherman, Texas a month ago. It's three judges there. They already heard arguments. Honestly, I expect

a ruling any day. I mean, it's supposed to happen this week. Uh, they're either going to rule in favor of the NFL and Zeke will start serving his suspension. And I'm sure there's some sort of recourse he can follow that will allow him to try to get back

on the field. But I mean he could conceivably not be able to play against San Francisco, or the court rules in Zeke's favor and he's able to play as long as this is going through the legal system, which you know, I don't want to speak too concretely, but if they rule in his favorite, it's a good bet he'll be available for the rest of the year. So you're gonna find out this week whether you've probably got Zeke through December or whether he has to start serving

his suspension. I mean that that ruling should come down, like I mean, it could happen right now, but always certain on the timetable. And I know we could happen right now. No, I assume it could happen two weeks from now right, all like the court when they heard arguments, the Court said that they would get a ruling asap. And I know, I know that's a relative term, but you know, you kind of talk to people and you you know the room. That's the sense, Yeah, the sense.

The sense is that it's supposed to happen this week. And again, when you're talking about keeping a player off the field or putting him on the field, they probably want to have a ruling before, you know, he's starting to get ready for his next game, especially since the Cowboys are not playing this week. So I mean, that's that's everything. And I even I wrote in the story, I know Zeke hasn't been great compared to what he was last year, but he's still got five hundred all

purpose yards. He's still a big part of your offense. He's still a dramatic upgrade over Alfred Morrison Darren McFadden. So I mean that's going to dictate a lot about your team and what happens with him. What are your opinions, Amber and Nick? Let's assume for a second that the Cowboys do lose Zeke Elliott, which I don't really expect to happen. But let's assume that for a second. How big a deal would that be for the Cowboys. I

mean it's huge. I feel like they haven't been as successful in the running game, and that's with Zeke being out there, so I can't even imagine how it would be with Alfred or Darren. He does have the longest run of the team so far. Yeah, that's right, but I mean, I mean very different. I'm sure they can still get the job done, but nowhere near to what Zeke can do or has done, so it will definitely affect them. Yeah, I mean, I mean they can't. I

think he's the best player on the team. I still believe that, and he's the only player on them from the skill position that I think really scares people. So not having him out there, it's gonna it would be tough. But I think defenses would adjust and play things a little bit differently and might open some things up in other areas. But I think consistently they wouldn't move the

ball as well. I mean, I think Morris and McFadden would would do some nice things, and I think the passing game would kind of get going, but they wouldn't be able to grind out as many yards. That's actually an interesting point when you say it would open things up a little bit more, because I do wonder if well I wonder if it actually would open up the running game. Yeah, Zeke's not going back seventy five yards like like Alfred March did. Like he wouldn't have that

same look, you know. So that and that that right there just gives you an example that you know, you could probably gash him a little bit more, but they would they would probably try to take away more passing games. Yeah, and teams may think, hey, we'll give you three four yards on the ground here and there regularly, but we don't think you can move the ball consistently down the field on a long drive doing that, or be able

to hit us. Because we're going to have more people back on the back end, you won't be able to this for a big play, and so that may actually stifle your offense, as weird as that may sound. All right, Davis, we want to point number two that you made. You said Sean Lee's hamstring was the second factor. Tell me about that well. As anybody who watches the Cowboys is probably aware, Sean Lee has been out for the last two weeks and it hasn't looked pretty out there. Yeah.

I actually, you know, I took a deeper look at the stats while I was writing that. You're even up one hundred and eighteen yards on the ground this year as a defense. That's not shocking to anybody that's watched him, but it's that's a thirty forty yard difference from what they were doing last year. And I noticeable difference statistically

from when Shawn's in versus when he's not. Honestly, and I pointed that out too, you can't look at shan Lee as a cure all because he was right there and healthy in Denver and they were they got mauled. H C. J. Anderson looked like Walter Payton. But he is an All He's one of eight All Pros on your team. He's the only one that plays defense. He is far and away your best defender. He is capable of completely taking over a game from a defensive standpoint,

like he did in New York last year. I mean, he's a fifteen twenty twenty five tackle kind of guy. He's second on the team and tackles despite not having played the last two weeks. Yeah, so you know, no, he's not a cure all. He's not going to make this defense elite. But I do think he can help in the running game. I do think he helps people know where they're supposed to be. He's a tackle for lost machine. I mean he's He's stopped so many plays in the backfield that could have been three four or

five six yard games. And he is yet to have a chance to play alongside Anthony Hitchins in a real game this year, which again, you know they're not They're not the Dome Patrol. They're not. It's not going to be elite. But for those of you who don't know who the Dome Patrol, I hope people know who the Dome Patrol. I don't. I won't take that for granted. Yeah, that's that's the New Orleans Saints defense from this seven

late seventies, eighties, eighties eighties. It was the only thing the New Orleans Saints had to be proud of until a man, right, which I mean they were proud of m proud of but not but he was. He never won anything for him, but they were proud of anyway that I mean, that is your preferred linebacker. Combo I do think that makes a big difference if they can both out be out there playing. You combine that with

the other elements of your defense. Again, not trying to sell anybody on them magically becoming the Seahawks, But I think it makes a world of difference. And I think he's got this week off, he'll have next week to continue his rehab. By the time October twenty second rolls around and they're playing against the forty nine ers, it'll have been twenty seven, twenty eight days since he hurt the hamstrings. So I'm very optimistic that he'll be able to go, and I think that can at least help

the defense take a step in the right direction. Knowing how tricky hamstrings are. And I'll throw this to Amber and Nick, knowing how tricky hamstrings are, and they don't always respond, you know, on a timetable that you think is appropriate. Let's assume for a second, the worst case scenario that he's not ready to play. How big of

a deal is that for this defense? Again, knowing that they got Hitchens back and he is one of their better two linebackers, do you think that that's enough for them to be able to get back on track and be able to stop the run and be able to do the things they need to do defending the pass game. Well, yeah, I think that if he's not ready for this game, then you know, it's a There probably was some kind

of setback then, I would imagine. I mean, he even said himself, this wasn't one of the worst ones he's ever had. They had two weeks. Now this will be it would be a four week hamstring injury. I have a hard time thinking he would, you know. And that's obviously it sucks that they lost to Green Bay, but over lining is put putting him down for that game gave gives him an extra week. And yeah, I mean, Jerry Jones said on Sunday night that he very much expects him to be ready to go, and so I

expected as well. All right, um, let's talk about let's talk about the next one offensive alignment. Oh, I'm sorry, Ambred, did you have something? She had to look like she was kind of like, I'm good. I mean, I I can talk about something, but I scare. Yeah, absolutely one. I don't know if three weeks will be enough or not. I guess we'll find out. Two if he comes back, I wonder how good he will be and what a difference he will make. It's definitely noticeable when he's not

out there. But at the same time, based on what we've seen from him so far when he has been out on the field, it hasn't been his usual him, has he so? Huh? Right? I mean Denver game, he wasn't that good. And it's hard to judge based on that game because again everyone was horrible. But even then, I wonder at what level he's really at, and especially coming off an injury. So we'll see, there's no telling,

you know, you'll see. The status just goes to show how much he's missed the Cowboys have They scored thirty points and had four hundred total yards in the last two games and lost him both. Only two other times in the NFL this year, has that happened, right, Somebody has has scored thirty had four hundred total yards lost. So there's four instances where that happened this year, and two of them belong to the Cowboys at home back

to back. I mean, that's they're doing what they need to do on offense obviously, and this is not getting done defensively. And I think, you know, and it's not like they're they're getting blown out either. I mean, Sean Sean Lee is probably good enough for one or two third down stops to get off the field, especially when when there's a play drive or something like that. So yeah, but is he gonna dramatically change? But see that's the point. I don't think you need. This isn't doesn't need a

dramatic change. If they need one or two stops here, you know they win those two games. Now you're sitting at four and one and you're you know, I mean, I think I said this either Monday or Tuesday. I'm not saying definitely, But I can imagine Sean Lee stopping that fourth down play the Green Bay, you know, the toss. I could see him sniffing that out and stopping it, and that changes the whole complexion of the second half. It's like I said, he won't make the defense elite,

and he doesn't need to. This defense hasn't been elite the whole time I've covered the Cowboys, but they've put together some pretty good seasons by being average to above average and letting the offense carry the rest of the show. Right, I mean, that's all you need from him is just to get them back to that average stand. Um, let's move out to the next one day. If you sat at the offensive lineman on offensive line on deck, what

do you mean by that? Um? I mean that if you're gonna, if this offensive line is going to get better, and you're gonna you know, find the running game, so to speak, and continue to get better as an offense, I think. I mean everything starts with the offensive line, Everything starts up front, and you know, with a week off, I feel good that your whole offensive line will be available to be part of that because kind of some

choppy water there these last two weeks. But first you have Chazz go out with his hip, and so you've got Jonathan Cooper coming in there, and then last week you got Tyron Smith and anytime he shows up on the injury report, it's troublesome in my opinion. But he got through that whole game. He didn't see him any worse for wear. He seemed fine after the game was over.

And he's got another week to rest and kind of, you know, manage his back the way that he probably knows how now given that this has been a thing for him for two years, and I just think it's really important whether you know, because if Tyron Smith goes down, then you're probably asking Byron Bell or maybe Chaz Green to play left tackle, You're getting Cooper in there. It just shuffles. I think it shuffles the makeup of what

you want your line to be. And if the line's going to be any better, I think that's a terrible idea. I think continuity and continued repetitions and work together is going to be the key for that. So Tyron seems like he's good to go. Chazz, I don't know if he even got into that game yesterday or Sunday. Excuse me. If he did, it wasn't a lot. So you feel good that he can get over this hip problem. So take your pick between him or Cooper one way or

the other. But if the line's going to be if the line's gonna get better, they all need to be together, getting reps together, and I think this bye week will give them a chance to to get that way. Ambrow, assuming that that Chaz is completely healthy, do you think there's a difference between he or Jonathan Cooper? Is it just throw one of them out there doesn't matter. I don't think there's gonna be a difference whatsoever. I mean,

that's my feeling going this bye week. Yeah, it's gonna help some of these guys to get back on track and health wise. But again, the injuries that especially let's say Chas Green or Tyrn Smith, those injuries are not a one time injury type of thing, you know, So it's something they're gonna keep dealing with throughout the course of time. So I don't expect anything being any different or much better than what we've already seen so far.

Hopefully they can kind of regroup and rearrange some things, kinda get that dynamic and how do you call this when everyone's on the same track, like the same pace? Chemistry their chemistry. Dynamic was a good word. Oh there you go. Well, just hoping this time can serve more as a group overall to get back on track and everyone be on the same page pace, But health wise and productivity wise, I don't expect it to be much better.

I hate to admit this, but I wonder if Chaz Green spooked the coaching staff with that thing with his hip. What do you mean by that? I mean they got him ready, he heard his hip, he missed practice on Friday. He was active for the game against the Rams, did not start practice fully all week leading up to the Packers.

I mean, he he won the guard competition and then Cooper starts again against the Packers, and I just wonder, you know, you guys, you can't count on him, and he's he continues to prove that as much as I don't want to admit it. And so what you're what you're kind of asserting is that maybe he got maybe the coaches were like, we can't trust him, just like, all right, just go with Cooper felt let's go with

the guy that'll be in there, you know. So if that's the case you expected that, I'm sorry, Nick, you expect that's going to be the case when he comes back, when they come back from the spot, I think Chaz is the better player, but you know, they ultimately make the decisions and things things like that register. Yeah, but what it could be too is the fact that you know, Tyrn Smith miss with some time last week, so did

Lyle Collins. And the guy that would kind of back him up is Chas Green at the tackles, and he did take some reps to tackle, so that that might have been was like, you know, he didn't get as many guard reps last week because of those injuries, so he was kind of maybe the better swing tackle option, which and goes back to my point, their odds of being better increase if everybody can just focus on what they need to be doing and you don't have to worry about you know, is tiring going to have to

come out of this game, Who's gonna be our swing tackle? Blah blah blah blah blah. And I do for whatever it's worth, Amber. I mean, I don't know that they'll reach the levels they've reached him Pat prior seasons, but I running games and offensive lines get better as the

season goes along, more practice, more reps, more familiarity. So there were two more points that you hit and in the effort, I mean, in order to make sure that we maximize our time, I'll just mention two of them, and one of them I really wanted to dive into a little bit more of the The fourth one was impact plays on defense. I think we all kind of know what you're saying there and what's the expectation there.

But the final one, you were talking about the upcoming schedule and looking at the teams that the Cowboys have to play here over the next I looked at the next four games. They are going to be at San Francisco, who's now owing five. Then they go at Washington who's two and two. They play Kansas City at homes five and oh, and then they have Atlanta who is three and one, that they'll go to Atlanta to play them.

What do you, guys, if you're looking at those four teams and what you've seen so far from them, and what you've seen so far from the Cowboys, what do you expect as the number of wins that they can get over the next four games? You have no love for Philly or you just want to keep it at for well, I just wanted to say four because I kind of think I'd like to break the league into four games. You know that, Okay, But we can talk about Philly if you want to. I mean, I just

didn't want to go too four. But what would you guys say if you're looking at those four games, what do you think is the likelihood? I mean, what do you think as far as the number of wins you think the Cowboys can realistically get over those four games? I mean, that's why number one was number one, because it all it all changes if Zeke's not part of your your equation, though let's says he's on the is. You know, I think I think three and one is something. Is what it needs to be. I mean, it has

to be. If it's not three and one, then you're really in trouble. But it's gonna be hard. I mean to do that, but I think they will go beat San Francisco, and I think they will beat Washington on the road for some reason, they play really well there and I think they will win that game. Um, and then they got to split those two two two games

against the Chiefs and Falcons. I can't hear myself. So sorry at this point, I don't I don't even know anymore, just because again I've had my point of view since the beginning, and it hasn't turned out the way I thought it would be. And I think everyone can agree on that. It just hasn't turned out how we expected the season would turn out as But when you look at the game against the Rams, we expected them to win.

Now I believe they lost because of themselves, But at the same time, it's a lot of these games I have expected it to go one way for most of the part, most of the time, and it hasn't. So when you talk about some of these teams, I feel confident that they could beat them. But at this point, I just don't know. I can't fully trust them or you know, I wouldn't believe i'd be leaving them, but I just can't completely bet on them all my money. That's why I'm splitting my money, you know, heager Dave.

I mean, I mean, I don't know that it needs to be three in one, that you want it to be three in one if you think this team is going to accomplish its goals. But I mean, you know, you get into this part of the season, we're not quite halfway there, but you have a decent sample size, you sort of you start to readjust your your expectations or you know, you're you're you have informed opinions now and what two and two would put them at four and five through the halfway point of the year, which

you know right now, anything's possible, I guess. But I mean, I said this yesterday. Does anybody, based on what you've seen so far, do you reasonably expect to see a winning streak of more than three games at any point this year based on the toughness of the schedule, what you've seen from this tech, that seems very unlikely. That seems very unlikely to me too. So two and two, four and five then sets you up for the second

half of the season. And I mean, this sounds like a team that's it's going to be just like those Jason Garrett years where maybe you're eight and seven going into the last week of the year, maybe you're nine and six, nine and six at this point. That would be phenomenal. If you're nine and six heading into the season finale, so you know San Francisco Zo and five, you'd like to think they can go and get that win. They've lost four of their five games by a combined

eleven points three two, three and three. I think, so that's not a tough that's not an easy out if if they're schedules to be believed, Um, what gives this team insane problems? Elite quarterback play well. Alex Smith has taken over the league right now, and Kirk Cousins I think is he's I know people like to bag on him, but he's been lights out for the better part of a year. Now and then Matt Ryan's the reigning NFL MVP. So and it's not just been elite quarterback play Trevis

Trevis Simeon is not. That's a great point. It's been a good quarterback play and good receiver play. I think that, oh, don't forget don't forget good, don't forget good running games where you've got Kareem Hunt and then DeVante Freeman and Tevin Coleman coming up. So um. But I do agree with Nick. I think it if if this is going to be a playoff team, they gotta go three and one, because if you're at four and five at that part

of the season, then here's the problem. The problem is, let's tell me what what's happening with Philadelphia, tell me what's happening with Washington, tell me what's happening with Saint Louis. Because these are teams that, uh, that will be they you would be fighting with in order to either win the division or get one of those wildcard playoff spots. If those teams are playing well as well, that makes it very difficult to presume that at nine and seven

you're gonna get in the playoffs. At the risk of eating Crow later. I don't see a I don't see a team running away with this thing the way that the Cowboys did last year. You know, they were eleven and one at one. Although you wan't you the one to say it when you look at it, it might

have been Nick yesterday. Say when you look at the Eagle schedule, they don't have a tough schedule like they've already had a They've gotten to four and one off the backs of playing teams that weren't that aren't the elite teams in the league, and it doesn't look like they're gonna have a whole lot of those teams left on their schedule. So don't get don't get me wrong. I still you know, I'm basically what I'm trying to say is I don't look at them as a thirteen

and three, fourteen and two team. I'm you know, ten eleven wins is what I would expect at the trajectory that they're on. And you still have two games against them, so you have a huge say in what that record turns out being, which, by the way through the next they still won't have played the Eagles by the halfway point of the season. So you know, three and one would be phenomenal and probably needs to happen if you

want to win the division. But I just see this team kind of treading water, Like I could see them sitting at four and five and then you know, you need to get hot at some point, and people will still be waiting for that to happen, obviously if they're four and five. But yeah, I just think it's going to be a dramatic finish. All right, let's take our final break. When we come back, we're going to get to a game that Amber has for us. We're gonna do that when we come right back. This is Dallas

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Anderson is ownership. Yes, that's Cherry's daughter. Yeah, And if you don't know, just make it sure event. Welcome to Dallas Cowboy Football. All right, Amber got a game for us today. We're gonna play. Would you rather let's go? Let's go right? All right, let's start with you, Derek, Yes, all right? Would you rather have of plate making safety or someone else? I can play at corner playmaking safety. I believe in these corners. I think Jordan Lewis makes

me believe in these corners. And I still haven't seen what Cheeto Bay can do. But just what I've seen from Jordan, what I've seen in limited opportunities in the slot from Xavier Woods, I feel good about the corners. I think safety is one of the biggest problems I got on this team. Do you guys agree? What if Cheetos you're playmaking safety, maybe I'd love to see I'd love to see anybody back there. And this is not a new idea. Nick is and trumpeting this for a while.

Give me a center field, like, just give me a guy that can control the back end, that has the ability to get from sideline and sideline, that knows how to read a quarterback to be able to diagnose things early. And there was a guy the other night I was watching the Vikings play Harrison, Harrison and Zenday. They were both of them Zendea, but it was what's the guy's

name is Zendejo or yeah, he was here. They were showing well, they were showing some some footage of him and showing kind of how he plays and how he diagnoses things and then makes a play on the ball. And I was like, yeah, that's what the Cowboys needs, that guy that kind of sits back, because what they need is the guy that was here. Look, I'm not saying him particularly, I'm just saying that kind of safety.

The guy that sits back there, reads a quarterback, can jump it because he knows what he's looking at, and then can go and make a play on the ball. That's what they don't have right now. I thought that might be Byron, but I don't think so. I thought so too, And I'm not saying he can't be that. I'm saying I haven't seen it yet. I meant to make this joke at the beginning of the show. Now that Nolan Carroll's gone, I mean, public enemy number one's off the team, so it was the next It's gotta

be Jeff Heath and then probably Byron Jones after him. Probably, So sorry, guys, All right, Nick, would you rather move Lyell Collins back to guard or leave him a tackle a tackle? I'm not moving him to guard. I don't know. I don't know if he was that great at guard when when he was a rookie. I know he was a rookie, but I think tackles the spot, He's going to be fine there. Tackle Okay, Yeah, he's been it.

I mean again, he's Yeah, there have been some growing pains, but I think overall solid and the only way for him to get better to stay there. I just think that's his body type. I think his body type is to play tackle. Okay, mister draft guy, would you rather have drafted another first round pick instead of tackle Charlton or You're good with that decision and still hopeful that he will keep developing into something great? Can it be both? Like?

Do I? I mean, I have to choose. Actually, that's that's a great that's a great teaser amber because um, we've we tape an episode of the Draft Show yesterday where we spent probably twenty minutes on that Taco. There's no way to sugarcoat it. He hasn't been good. You know, you draft these guys for four or five years, though not four or five games. So it's way too early to close the book on what he can be. But I said this on the Draft Show you know yesterday,

which will air tomorrow. It's kind of weird, but yeah, I mean, right now, it's hard for me to argue that t J. Watt might have been a better choice. I mean, he was taken two picks later. He has eighteen tackles, three sacks, two pass breakups, and an interception. He did a lot of the most that happened in Week one. He did a lot of that against the Cleveland Browns. But he has eighteen tackles, which is an average three or four game. Taco has two, So he's

giving no two. He's getting involved, which is more than Taco can say. However, and I'll say the same thing. You know, it's way too soon to close a book on him. It's way too soon to consider it a bad pick. What I would like is if the coaching staff would stop trying to just make they want him to be a right end so bad what just do anything to let him help, play him at left end, play him at tackle, and I mean, he's a versatile dude. We think that would be a significant difference in the result.

Only one way to find out. He's sure as heck isn't contributing much trying to play right end right now. So it's no, it's it's not good right now. But it's too early for you're still hopeful. It's too early for me to completely pull the plug. Okay, Derek, would you'd rather have Bryce Butler as your number two wide receiver or just keep Terrence there and keep giving him opportunities. This is all just in name only, because the way the Cowboys do with their wide receiver, they're really you know,

kind of they'd move them all around. But just in name only, I think I might be ready to say that that Bryce is the second guy. But as I said yesterday, the problem is that Bryce's is very similar to Terrence. From a stand point of the knock on

both of them is there inconsistency. The knock on both of them is that at moments they will flash something really great and do something really outstanding, and then the next moment they just drop a ball that's important that they have a chance, they should be able to catch, and they drop it. You know, so, yes, you can. You can say that Bryce has had some big place

for them on the last couple of games. So for this exact moment, yeah, he's probably playing better between the two of them, but that doesn't mean that that could flip next game and over the next two or three games. Terrence is the guy that makes some plays and Bryce has some moments that you're like, what are you doing? So, yes, for right now, I'll take Bryce's in my neck. Do you think that Bryce would be okay if they just

kept it as is? You think he's gonna I don't think it really matters honestly, right, I mean, but we saw there were moments last game when Bryce was on the field and Terrence wasn't so right. Do you think, though, if they actually made that change though, and moved Terrence away from being a starting receiver. Do you think he'd handle it? Well, no, probably, that's my point. Let's just leave it. So, don't you don't want to make you mad? Is that it? He would go mad, that's not the word.

He wouldn't be mad. He would be like despondent. He would go in the tank. Yeah, I just think for that reason alone. I'm sorry that I would just because because, like you said, doesn't really matter they both played. Yeah, well it's not the team would do that. Like the team doesn't say you are our number two guy, you're our number one guy. So it's not like they run out of the tunnel. Still no, Well but yes, I

get your point. But I mean, if if they were to really promote Bryce into that, he would be on the field way more often. Right, it would be, boy, it would be. I don't think they would ever say he's our number two guy. It would just be he would get more playing time. Over the course, somebody runs through the fire, that's true. I think Terrence would parents would recognize what was happening if he was getting less placed. I'm the starting respect, I'm supposed to be on the

field where it's eleven person. What's going on? Yeah? Yeah, what's that would he block his coach? Probably? Okay, Mack, would you rather keep Jalen Smith playing as much as you can? Or or or the OBUs other option or or what's let's just go ahead of No, it's not about you. It's just like there's got to be another option there. I mean, I've said it several times. I think he's just not ready. He's not ready to play.

I wish he was, because it would be it would even be even better of a story than it is. And it's going to be a good story. I'm not when it's all setting down, it will be a great lost faith. I just it's it's unfortunate, and I think the Cowboys could have done a better job of giving of adding a little bit more depth to the linebacker position there to kind of help and make sure that it doesn't happen. Um. You weren't a big fan of

the Durant signing, were you? It doesn't sound like it I should say, Um No, I mean I was, Okay, I didn't. I didn't expect him to do a whole lot. I was a fan of the Durant signing when I thought that he wouldn't have to do much because he would you're thinking of him as the fourth linebacker in an ideal scenario, or maybe even the fifth when you think about Damien Wilson. But it has kind of gotten lost in this I expected Damien Wilson to step up and be more a part of the mix this year.

It just hasn't happened. He's he's the sam and whether I mean you would like, in my mind you would think he could play some will and not only you think he could play some some some nickel like that's where I expected he would get on the field more is a nickel, especially with with Sean Lee and with Hitchens out. But I don't happened. I don't disagree. I don't know this. Hey, going back to the year of other question, they could have drafted Ruben Foster. That I

I that's hindsight. That's the epitome of hindsight, because you're basically pulling the plug on the Jalen Smith pick. Wasn't he injured as well? He had some mean an injury, he had some injury concerns, but like not nothing not on the Jalen Smith. What about no, no, no, yeah? But what about the UCLA guy Jack? Yeah, what's he doing? He's how he played for? Didn't he have six last week? He's he's played pretty well. He had like a fifty

yard pick something like Jack. I don't know, oh if that I know, I know they had two pick sixes. I don't know if Miles stuff. I heard the radio one that it was the guy from Florida State, the Kelvin Telvin JOm damn it. Kelvin Smith Yeah, which sorry, yeah, Kelvin Smith. Yeah, but he had like nine times? Who had the other pick six? Very sure? Church service baby? Anyway, Miles Jack is doing stuff though. Would you rather see the cowboys keep working with what they got right now?

Or would you want them to work on some kind of trade to bring some outside help. What are they going to trade for that? I you know, people want around this time of year, people always want to do these trades. Andrean Peterson. We've seen, we've seen we we honestly have seen more player for player trades in you know, this year, in these recent years than most, like you know,

Jacoby Brissette for Philip Dorset. But I don't know what are you giving up and what one piece are you getting that is really gonna dramatically push you over the top, and how much can I got to come in and contribute immediately? People forget like when you've missed all camp and all that and you're coming in in the middle of the season when the team already kind of has the things they like to do and they kind are getting to know each other from the chemistry standpoint of

what they do on the field. Adding a different person to the mix, that's difficult. It's difficult for the person coming in. It's difficult for the rest of the group to be able to dust. And if there's you know, if there was a guard or something that you thought you could bring in at an affordable price, I'd at least listen to it. I'd think that's unrealistic. Now, something that kind of perked my ears up a little bit, not so much trying to add to this team, but

trying to gain your own assets. Giants don't have any receivers and the Cowboys have some. Would you trade Noah Brown? Would I trade Noah Brown? No? Yeah, right, I knew you weren't going there, So who are you talking about? Would I trade Terrence Williams? Would I trade Bryce Butler? If they were desperate enough to give me something good for him, Like what, they don't have any offensive linement, So you're not gonna get that guard. Oh no, no,

I'm thinking that. I'm thinking picks, picks if you have a linebacker. I don't know if you were willing to give me, if you were willing to give me a third round pick for Terence Williams. I'm not saying they would. I'm not. I didn't say that, Nicks, like what, I didn't say they would if you were willing to give me even up probably not see. And that's that's the not worth it for this year, And that's the that's the annoying, you know, like we gotta trade, we gotta trade.

And it's like, Okay, sure I would give up a third round pick for Terrence or I would take a third round pick for Terrence Williams, but they're not gonna give you that. And for all of his shortcomings, Terrence Williams is more valuable to you than a fifth round pick now. And you gotta remember, like go to baseball and in the trade deadline, it's not the teams that are that have won thirty five games, it's the teams that are fighting for a spot that make trade. So

oh and five, why would the Giants. I mean, I'm signing Devin Street. That's who I'm going to sign and bring in. He's off somewhere in the mountains. Well, you know they can't get him. Yeah, I mean he's over here. Fish can get in touch with him. Yeah. Oh. I think if somebody wanted to pay you five hundred thousand dollars a year to come do something, I think you're accessible. I think, yeah, just a suddenly your phone works, like,

oh I got WiFi here, umta go? But yeah, and it takes it takes a perfect storm to create a trade like that. Like, the Saints have a running Alvin Kamara is killing it for them, so they have a running back surplus. Adrian Peterson doesn't fit the type of football they like to play anyway. The Cardinals are the worst running team in the league and their starters out and they have one of the best running backs, but he's hurt right right, So they just don't see time

they need. You need all of those things to converge in order to create a trade like that. And I just I mean, I'm not going to rule it out entirely, but I'm it's always a safe bet that a trade is not going to happen. Not to get too far into Arizona Cardinals talk, but do you know when David Johnson's going to be back? I want to say it was like it was a while, like if he can come back December Tech Yeah, okay, so they need to be able to even be relevant by December. They're gonna

get a head. They need to get somebody. Did you see the uh? Like somebody? I always love when people dig back in people's tweets, because like on Opening Night, when Adrian Peterson got mad at Sean Payton, Chris Johnson tweeted, AP needs more touches and then he got cut for Adrian Peterson and tweeted, LMAO, laughing my ass off. It

acts like, yeah, it is pretty good. The ironies too much. Yeah, you can't help but laugh at that if you're funny, Chris Johnson, all right, and we appreciate the game was very, very good game. Would you rather do we have to bring that up on another time that there was one last question, but we don't. It's ten thirty one. Oh damn it, we got Actually we're in this is it for us for the week. Be Dave and Amber and Nick will be on tomorrow. We're gonna do a joint show. Bass,

You're absolutely doing it. Though we're gonna have a joint show tomorrow with that doesn't make it, just do. It's gonna be Nick and Brian and Nate and Mickey on tomorrow, so that should be explosive and fun. Make sure you join those guys tomorrow for that, and then we'll all be back on Monday. We'll all be back on Monday and we'll have our normal shows at the normal times, so then we'll see you guys later. For Nick Eatman, Dave, Helmt, Amber Garcia, I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break

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