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can't even believe that. Like when I was a kid, when I thought about forty five or fifty, I was like, that's so a grandpa. Yeah, I do not. You don't feel old like so you're telling us like that, shut up about twenty five and twenty nine. Yeah, exactly, you don't. You have it, but you but I understand it, like when you're eighteen or nineteen, you think twenty five is yeah old, thirty is you know, and forty five geez wow, yeah you're heading toward death, you know. So, but it

doesn't feel like that. I still feel just as young and surprised I did when I was twenty well no, yeah, like when I was like thirty two. Man, I got out of bed this morning. I I slept in and I looked at it the phone, and it was like derk Eagleton just completed a run. So hey, I got to sleep in though before I got that run. That's always a good thing, good for you. Family isn't in town right now, so I actually got to sit and watch in front of a fire, watched the Texas game

last night. They get a win, eat some good popados, and man, it was a good evening. It sounds like a great evening. It was like good evening. Family back today, So then I get to celebrate with them tonight. All right, So let's talk to what was that I don't know, but you know what, it was a bad timing for the really bad timing for that. I need to be in my personal business, like I'll say it for myself. All right, let's get to some let's get some Cowboys football. UM.

I want to talk about Dez Bryant. We talked a little bit about this yesterday, but then the media got to the locker room and so they had an opportunity to talk to Dez and it's pretty interesting. UM, I'll just let's listen to what he had to say first and then we'll kind of dissect some of that. I think Ken has some of that audio pulled up. KI,

what do you have? Yeah, so I have. This is the first cut when he was initially asked about why he's frustrated and why he wanted the media to be around his locker for the next ten minutes or so. All right, season, I feel like for the most part, um, I can only I can only do what you know I can control. Yeah, and a bitter times, hell, yo, you know, frustrating, you know, you know, certain situations you know that I couldn't control. But other than that, UM, I believe who I am. I'm I'm a head of

a football player. I know that. I believe that. You know, I let a lot of things get in a way that bothered me mentally, and you know, um, I felt like, um, if anything, UM, I need to deal with an offseason, you know, it is that. You know, just like I said, you know, UM, only certain things I can control. That's it, all right? That was des brian locker room yesterday. That was the theme. That was the theme of the day. What control, control, what I can control? Know? He actually

tweeted that two two or three days ago. Now how did that go? But then said the same thing. He he said that same quote control which you can control? So let me ask, almost like somebody around him and repeats it all time, but it did. It did to me, and Des even talked about this a little later. It did seem like they were pointing to the fact that there were things that are beyond their control that are

causing a certain amount of frustration. And it sounds like it's more with regard to scheme and and kind of some of the things that are that maybe the offense that's happening within the offense that they can't control, which then points immediately to the offensive coordinator. Did you guys

get that impression? And if so, do you think that that maybe creates a little bit more of a tough situation for the offensive coordinator, because obviously Jerry would at some point I would assume and Dees said he's gonna talk to Jerry that at some point this gets back to Jerry, and Jerry maybe thinks, hey, I need to keep my players happy. Yeah, I mean I didn't take much of it. I mean, it's like, are you going

to say something or you're not. I mean, you know, it's no one likes the implier, you know, they don't so say it. I mean, like, what is it? What? What can you control? Because really you're talking to a group of people who are going to report it to a larger group of people that just see dropped passes, They see the ball hitting your hands, they see you know, plays over the middle where you know, and and a deep ball in the Giants game hits you right in

the face. I mean, they just that's what we see. So what else is there? You know? And is there something else? And you're not really saying it. It's just kind of vague, like, well, there's there's more to it. You don't know, and well, no, we don't know, but so and they get mad at the media for speculating, but that's really all that they're left to do. And then I know later he said some other things, but

there's a you know that about injury. I don't know if we're going to get to that, but that's that's not a good thing either. Well yeah, and to your point, like, no, I didn't come away with the impression that you did at all, because the stuff about the scheme and Scott Lenahan came about eight to twelve minutes into a sixteen minute press conference, and it's almost to a point where it's like, well, what's bothering you dead? Is it the scheme? Yeah, Like that's part of it, is it? Like is it

the outside noise? Yeah, that's part of it. Like it's just there are a lot of things that were bothering him. Not just I thought it was so close to being a really good and productive media session, but like like Dez had to wherewithal to know that he was getting roasted in the media and by the fans, and he wanted to address it and he wanted to speak, but just smart, he really hasn't been visible in the media this year. I even went back and look, he's tweeted

like six times since the season started. He hasn't done very many press sessions, like he's been real under the radar. And he comes out and, like I said, it was so close to being good, but he just kind of tailed off. He was like, well, I let some stuff bother me? Well, what bothered you? Did the scheme bother you? Did it bother you that you weren't getting enough touches? Did it bother you that people were talking mess about how you're not good anymore? Like? What? What was it?

And he never really elaborated on that. He kind of and it kind of said all of it. Yeah. He basically was like, stuff's been bothering me this year, and I don't want to talk about it. But that's pretty much where I'm at. And so then again that leaves a situation where it's like, well is it this is it that? Have you been healthy? No? I haven't been healthy. Are you pissed about the scheme? Yeah, I'm pissed about the scheme. I'm gonna talk to Jason and Jerry about

that way. And then it just becomes a little bit of everything because he didn't really finish his thought in my opinion, but in saying, yeah, it's the scheme and I'm gonna talk to Jerry and Jason about it, that's the part that to me kind of signaled that he at least feels like this is more about what's being

done to him than what he's doing. And in that case, if that's what he's communicating to Jason and Jerry, does that affect Jason and Jerry's opinion on what they need to do as far as who's coordinating or how their coordinate because they may decide, hey, we're gonna keep Lenninghand the same role he's in, but maybe that means we gotta get des more involved because we feel like we're not using an asset and it's at its fullest potential.

I just I if that was like this big deal and this central theme, I feel like it would have been higher up the list, and we went down the check mark and it came way down at the bottom, you know. And I don't think Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones need Dez to talk to him to know that the way the passing game looks isn't gonna cut it. If you want to win games in the NFL, so I didn't. That didn't resonate that much with me among the two dozen other things that we talked about. That's

just me though. All right, let's let's hear another clip. There was a clip where Dez talked about the contract, and we talked about that a little bit yesterday. What did you have to say about the contract? Kit He was asked if he would consider a pay cut, and this was his response, um, whenever. Um, I haven't had I haven't heard no talks about that. But if it comes, if it comes, well I don't know, probably not. Hell no, man, I believe me. I love that was so funny to me.

I love the way he kind of came to that out loud, like he thought out loud in front of the world, basically like, well, you know, maybe we'll talk about I don't know about hell you know what it was. And somebody tweeted this to me. They were like, as he was talking, he literally thought about the amount of money that he would be giving back, and it got to wait, wait, well, hell no, I'm not giving my

money back. What I'd take that money for me? Yeah, willingly signing it over to you, But I thought it was interesting, especially coming out of the conversation we had yesterday on the air, Nick, when you were like, there's there's what I don't just said, well, your word, I said, I don't think there's any way he's gonna play for that that cap hit. And you're thinking from standpoint of the organization, there's no way that they're going to go into next year what the contract as it currently is.

I don't think so. I think you have to you have to cut him, or you have to ask for a pay cut. I don't really think you should restructure. That's one way to do it, just restructure it lower, but that you don't want to do that. You want you don't want to add years to this situation with he's getting up there in age, and you know, there was a time where we thought he was kind of injury prone from a backstandpoint, but that really hasn't flared

up on him. But I just think that, you know, going back to what we said before getting open the scheme and all that, like that, that all sounds good because that used to be the issue, but now the biggest issue is just making plays like like catching the ball like he's been so sure handed over the course of his career, but now you almost feel like there's a confidence issue there. And the fact that he called reporters over there. He's never done that before. And I

think what Dave said was right. I think he threw out this, this simple tweet that said, hey, I only can control what I can control it. I bet ninety percent of the responses, why don't you just control the football when it comes your way? No doubt, don't you control the pass? I read of the response and they and that's different for him, Yeah, to be on the other side of things, and I think he attempted the best he could to kind of reel this back into his favor. But it's hard to do that. It's not

it's not it's hard to put it. And it also tells you, And this I think is really true. Everything that we see from the standpoint of how players played, there's a lot more complexity to just they played well or they didn't play well. And I think in this instance, what he was trying to express is some of those

other things that may have affected his ability to play well. Now, whether whether they like what there are varying degrees to how much it affected it right, like there can be a little thing over here where yeah, I may have a little injury that could have affected a little bit, or it could have been the scheme affected it a lot. You don't know what the varying degrees are. But it's more complex than just saying a guy played well or a guy didn't play well. There are lots of reasons

as to why that can take place or not. And I think he and I think a lot of players at times feel like when they're getting really roasted by fans and media, they felt gott to have to explain, and sometimes it can work against him because then it feels like they're just making excuses. Well and that I mean a lot of it said yesterday felt like excuse making. There was some there was some good stuff in there,

but a lot of it felt that way to me. Um. But then you know, at the same time, I think des he's way too good of a team player, Like he's not gonna go out there and just throw people under the bus, like but I felt like he wanted to. He kind of wanted to. He was like he was at the brink. If I really speak my mind and really try to exonerate myself. It's gonna not look good for a lot of other people, probably not for him,

and and to his credit, he didn't do that. But then, like I said, you wind up just trying to It's like, guess, what's bothering Dez? Like you're just kind of well, is it? This is it? That is it? That's I mean, in the long run, it's a it's a good thing, Like I think it's a good thing for him that he didn't do that, But it leads to frustration on our part because I don't really have much clearer of an answer than we did so at this point, based upon

what he said yesterday, do you believe? I guess, Nick, do you still believe? Would you believe? And also beyond that, do you guys believe it ultimately ends up in a standoff with the team and maybe not on the team. Um, if that's the case, can we do a first you already said what you think? Can we do like a

first take thing? Here? I think Dez is gonna play twenty eighteen at his current value, I do add here, Yeah, I think it's gonna be a lot like the Brandon car thing, where we talk about it until we're blue in the face and then nothing ultimately happens. Like that's what I think is going to happen. So if that happens, what changes? What would change? Because I'm I'm open to

that happening. If you bring in a different coordinator that can come in specifically and have to do things to try to get Dez the ball, you know or I don't know, you gotta do it. I mean, he's not He's got to get his confidence back up, you get you gotta fix it somehow, someway and I don't. Here's my problem. You can't. I mean you talked about trying or him himself talked about trying to get the ball more.

There was a question in there too where someone asked him or told him, like, you know, you went into training camp knowing that this was a running game offense. You've seen the offense or dad trying to get him the ball plenty of times, and you hear about that on Twitter over and over, like why do they keep

trying to force it on desk? And yes, there are many other factors and a lot more into the whole scheme and all that, but the reality is the times that he does get the ball where he should catch that, and he doesn't, he drops it, that goes. That has nothing to do with scheme or anything. That's just basic

wide receiver abilities. Except he may make the claim when I'm like pining to get the ball when I haven't gotten the ball too for the first time until the second quarter, I'm not as into the floor of the game, and that's when middle mistakes happened. Now, again that's all excuse making to some degree, but I'm just saying I think that. Again, I don't. It doesn't strike me as and to be honest with I'm not even gonna single

out dads. There are a lot of players on this team that aren't the first ones to step up and say my bad, no excuses my bad. Like, that's not what we hear from this locker room very often. Typically, if we hear anything, it's more in the line with well, this was why, or this was going on, or this

was going on. So yeah, he's probably not gonna say that, but there's probably some some of that's probably what he's thinking that, Hey, if I was in the involved in the game from the very beginning, maybe I don't have all these mental mistakes because I'm more in the flow of what's going on compared to last year? Was he used more than this year? Probably? I think he probably got more targets. I don't know that for fact. Do you guys know that. I don't know his targets off

the top of my head. But he had fewer receptions he did. I mean he missed three games actually, yeah, but I looked it up. Though he averaged he averaged three point eight receptions per game last year and he's averaging four and a half. I mean, it's not I want to say he's got more targets this Yeah, I think I saw it's some kind of graphic that said he had a lot more targets this year. Probably in

last year. Um, it felt like that's certainly at the beginning of the year, because there were games when he was getting what he had a game where he got targeted twenty times or something like that. Denver. Yeah, I mean so, so, yeah, he's he was getting targets. That's where I'm going at. It's like, it's not that they're not giving him the chance to it just hasn't worked out. Whatever the reason is. I wonder if like Gate more twenty eight more targets ninety six last year, one twenty

four this year, that's a lot. Keep in mind he's played three more games too, So still if you just take those, if you if you take like the average and take three out, like, that's still more right. It had one hundred and fifty nine targets in twenty thirteen one nine, yeah, and one thirty six and fourteen, And where's he this year when twenty four So after this game he'll probably have right there in line with the twenty fourteen. Yeah, he'll probably be at like I know,

Philly ten. Maybe, yeah, probably, I'm guessing too. I wonder if I wonder if like they bought into their own hype too much in the sense that like it was like, well, last year, you know, rookie quarterback, we're just gonna get take what we can get, you know, Dez, you're just gonna have to play ball. And Dez played ball because he was still getting catches and touchdowns and they were winning winnings in a row. Then you turn that around and it's like, okay, year two, we're gonna make the leap.

Deck's no sophomore slump here, and that's gotta be mean Dez and Deck and I mean at least through the first like six weeks of the season, it sure looked like that where it was like, we gotta gets the ball des and deck. You mean, you know how many how many of those first few games the Giants game, right off the bat going to Dez like three times in a row in the red zone the Denver game, It's like every throw he threw was in Dez's direction.

And it seems like they kind of corrected that as the season went on, But I think there was a little bit to that where you're just like, well, we gotta make this happen, even if defenses, even if we know defenses are gonna try to take it away, we got to this happened. You think Dez is a Pro Bowl alternate? No, yeah, you can say that, like, no, I think, I mean, I don't. Yeah, I don't have the stats pulled up. Well, I mean I wouldn't think

so either. But he made it last year. Yeah, but I'm thinking, like last year's no where he's He's not even top ten? Is he? All? I'm saying touchdowns? Hold on, he made the Pro Bowl last year. He had fifty catches, seven ninety six eight touchdowns. I mean, I don't know how you're a Pro Bowl alternate for that, but he did, and he made it this year. He's got sixty six catches, eight fifteen and six touchdowns. That's that's my point though, No, I'm just saying I wouldn't think so either, But that

is maybe ye if. But he played well last year, like he really did. I think it's what you saw that it didn't look like this year. No, you know that that's if he were to make the Pro Bowl. That's just the epitome of like stat watching, Like I don't care what his stats say. He was bad this year by top receiver standards. He he was not a focal point of the offense last year, but he was good and he came up big often. Like I said, I've said it like three days in a row now Pittsburgh,

Green Bay, Minnesota. He was like the only thing that was working for the offense in Minnesota that they scored seventeen points. Did he have a single like what games this year? Was there a game where it was the Dez game at all oh um And that's the that's the difference that he had six he had he had sixty yards and I mean he broke he broke that game in New York where he got him on the board. I mean that was probably the closest you could say, and that was his best play of the year by far.

But it also we talked about the touchdown, the fifty seven yard yeah, but it also followed a play where he got hit in the face. The ball hit him in the face. Yeah, and he's on the sideline. I'm struggling right now. He's got six touchdowns. His his touchdown against Washington was better than that touchdown, right. He had a ninety eight yard game against the Rams, seventy three

against the Chiefs. Yeah, he played. I mean he's had some, but there hasn't been a Dez game like Yeah, but that I think the touchdown against the Giants that was vintage Diaz. Make the catch, get a guy off you, and then run for a touchdown Like that's Dez. Have we seen that at all beyond other than that game?

Have we seen that this season? You know? And I think that's the part where Nick, to answer your question, the reason why I think you'd become an alternate for the Pro Bowl is because people that watched him play last year saw Dez doing Dez things. This year, if you watch the game, no matter what the stats might say, you didn't see Dez doing Dez things very often. Right, all right, let's take our first break. When we come back, I do want to change the subject. We want to

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and there won't be a situation. This won't be a situation where in the final game of the season he sits starters in order to get young guys playing time or to avoid potential injuries. What do you guys to think about that? Just as a philosophy, what are your thoughts on that? Dave? I know you're pretty pretty strong the other way, What are your thoughts. I think it's a bad idea. I think it's a potentially ruinous idea.

Really and all ooh, that's pretty strong. Go take a look at And this was in a game that mattered, This was in a game that had a lot of implications. That's not my point. But Carson wentz towards ACL two weeks ago, and now, I mean, you're in December, you're talking about when's he gonna be ready? Robert Griffin another again, a very meaningful game, a playoff game, but jeopardized his whole offseason. You know that he was all in on

opening day. He never really got back to form. And I mean, Tyron Smith's probably not going to play in this game because he can't. So I mean, you're gonna send your quarterback out there, You're gonna send your running back out there without all pro left tackle protection in a game that you stand to gain nothing from. There's I mean, I don't buy the momentum argument, because as soon as this game's over, you're you're off for seven months. I get I get that there's pride on the line.

I get that there's fans that paid money to see this, but I just think there's too much to lose and nowhere near enough to gain to just be willy nilly throwing everybody out here, risking injury in a game that ultimately doesn't add up too much. And I'm obviously mathematically you can't sit every player on the team, but I would go to great lengths to protect my good players

in this game. But does Jason run the risk? We know because we're around here all the T shirts and all the signs and everything that talks about maximum effort every day, no matter what the circumstance, whether you're playing on the Moon or you're playing at at and T Stadium or wherever else. I mean, the point is that what he preaches to them is every day, we're gonna show up, and we're gonna because we're professionals, we're gonna show up, we're gonna do our jobs. We're gonna do

it extremely well every single day. And does that chip away at the message if he goes into a game where he says, well, this game, by virtue of sitting guys is not as important, so let's not worry about as much, because that's really what the message is. If you start saying, well, we're gonna decide who's gonna play and who's not gonna play. I have my own thoughts, but I'm gonna let I mean, if Nick has an opinion on the wall, let him go. I definitely think

that that they should they should play. Um, you know, there's probably a way to do it like they did last year's game, where you know, you're playing some guys and kind of see how the flow of the game goes. But you know, I still kind of feel like, you know,

Jason says it all the time. You know, you got sixteen of these games, and and I think you are trying to build towards next year, and especially with you guy like Zeke that's been out six weeks, and if you got a quarterback in a wide receiver that earned on the same page, I mean, you know what what better way to try to do that than then, you know, play some football games. Would would an injury be be bad? Yeah,

it would be it. But I think for the most part, I think I'm going out there, I'm trying to win this game. I think that Jason needs it. I think this team needs it, you know, And I just I keep harping back on you don't get many of these opportunities. This is and you said it, some of those arguments that you said, I believe in. I mean, unless they're

gonna cut the prices of the game. You know, somebody's Christmas present was to go to this football game, and you know you're not giving them full effort if you if you're not doing that, So I would play them this game now if it got if somebody was banged up and limping around, then no, I'm not doing that. I understand that part. But Zeke's healthy. I think Zeke

should play. It's my opinion. Are you going to say I thought about what really what you were saying it is like, well the message is maximum effort and blah blah blah. These guys are professionals in the other sense too, Like if you can't separate, you should be able to separate these two things, like you should you look at this and say, well, this is this is a different situation, like this is this this game has no implications. In three hours, the season will be over on Monday morning.

We're gonna go in the locker room and clean out our lockers. Like I would like to think that you can draw a line. You should be able to draw a line between big difference between should and do right.

I mean, you're dealing with humans, you're dealing with people, you're dealing you're dealing with professionals though, and I think there you should be able to tell the difference between like you're a professional football player and in some instances, I'm trying to think of an analogy for our careers. But like, in some instances this makes sense. And like I said, it's these guys are assets and it's asset management.

And I think you, you know, Dak Prescott might want to play in this game as a competitor, but I think he would understand fourth preseason Game of the Year absolutely. I think I think he would understand if they were like maybe maybe Dak. But I will tell you this, and you say you want to draw parallels to just our our careers, I mean the fact is you'd be surprised.

When you've got a group of people. There are always people that you say they should know better or they should understand this, and they don't because people are people, and people are gonna draw whatever conclusion fits whatever narrative they want it to be in their minds. They're gonna draw that comcasion. I can't speak for a room full of football players. But again, to draw an analogy to

our careers. Christmas Eve, they play like crap. They lose by two possessions to the Seahawks to virtually end the season, and the move, I mean, the line from our group in the press box is like, all right, let's handle our business, let's do what we gotta do, but like, let's get out of here, let's go see our families. Let's not kill ourselves the night before a holiday over a game that has no I got I got my work done, but it was not as it wasn't it

wouldn't be what it was if we had won. It wouldn't be what it was after a week one when we beat the Giants. It's not the same amount of We didn't do shows on Monday morning. It was a Monday, but it's a holiday. But that doesn't mean we don't work just as hard. You know that if they would have won that game, we're not doing shows on Monday. You know that. And you know we would have left the press box at the same time out Definitely not if we had won, definitely not. I left like an

hour and a half earlier than I would. The stories were the same. Yeah, but there's more that we could have done. Like I could have stayed. I could have stayed to edit Brian's stuff in the press box instead of going home like I usually do. Or I could have you know, there's I could have written more blog posts. But I do what I had to do. And here's how I feel about this situation. You do play sixteen games, that's your job. That you say about being a professional,

they're professional. You get paid to do so. Now being sitting out of a game, to me, that's like a privilege if you get to that point, not injury wise or not that you're being inactive. You know, if we get to this point to a game that doesn't actually matter, but they don't. They shouldn't be getting rewarded or not rewarded.

You don't get that privilege. How do you have a good season even though you're out of the playoffs, then yeah, would be feeling good, like yeah, go ahead and sit down, but they haven't, Like you can be okay, we're good. Let's just prevent injury. First of all, that's your job. You finish the season and that's it. They don't deserve to sit out that is, haven't done what they needed to do this season to get that is? That is

an admirable sentiment for like a high school team. This is a billion dollar business and what's worth Like, is it worse if you kind of admit this game doesn't mean anything and you sit this guy down and it's not like the fiercest spirit of the competition, Or is it worse if Ezekiel Elliot tears his ACL in the second quarter of a BS game eight months before the season starts, and now we're sitting here speculating about if he's going to be ready? Like, what way those two

things in your mind? And tell me which is really worse? Yeah, But I think that that's the nature of football. The nature of football is that guess what, when you got to practice today, someone can share their ACL. So so all I'm saying is if you're playing those games of well this could happen, then in football you have to get nothing done. We're having If you're gonna play football, you gotta play for We're having the same argument we

had in the summer, right, which about training camp. Right, It's obviously football comes with some inherent risk, right, but you can mitigate those risks by not taking them. Oh, you cannot mitigate those, Yes you can. They have to practice. Yes, they have to play in the games when they matter. Yes, they don't have to play in games that don't matter.

So that you only got forty six guys at whole minutes of risk, that you're subjecting yourself too, that you don't have to Yeah, again, I kind of agree with Amber from the standpoint that you get. You're paid to play sixteen weeks, and it's one thing if you've earned the right to be hold on it's one thing if you've earned the right to be able to sit because you've gotten to the point where you've wrapped up everything you can wrap up. You are the first seed in

your division. You're going to the playoffs. You've deserved, you've earned a rest. They aren't going to the playoffs. So play your sixteen games that you you haven't earned the right to be able to sit and not play that final game. And because of that, you got to go out and you all gonna play, and you should want to play, because again, you get sixteen of these every year. And I get your point, Dave, I totally understand it.

And if we come back on Monday morning and knock on Wood, one of the major players for the Cowboys got an injury. It's gonna be like there will be questions about whether he should have played. And I get all that, but I still believe that Again, when you're playing football, you have to understand that injuries are part of the game and if you sustain one at whatever point, I don't think you stopped playing the game because of the risk of injury. You have to keep playing. You

gotta go through it. And if you get hurt, you get hurt. You deal with that. And I'm sure they all want to play too. Oh, I'm not questioning that. I'm sure they. I mean, Dak said, I'll be damned if I let the season end on the note that ended on Sunday. That's that's fine, and I expect that from them. There are people above them. Again, Yes, these guys are professional football players and they're paid to play football. They're also they're paid to be assets for the Dallas Cowboys.

They are paid to make this organization money and win football games. And in the big picture, I don't know that them playing in this game is in anybody's best interest, but I bet most of them will anyway, Like I'm not like I'm gonna be wrong on this, Like Dak's gonna play, Jason Witten is definitely gonna be out, like and maybe they'll come out at some point during the game, Like maybe they will play it like last week. That's what I expect. I like, I expect Cooper Rush to

be in there in the second at some point. I'll be surprised if he's not. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I would expect. But either way, like I said, I know that I'm on the losing side of this argument, but I just I don't think it's worth well. I don't remember last year when they've sent what seven eight guys to the Pro Bowl, Like I don't remember that conversation that we had. Maybe we did. I mean in this game, do you hate the Pro Bowl as well?

Because the Pro Bowl? I mean, think about it. I mean, I mean that's another month that they're that they're playing closer to the season. Now, are they going one hundred percent? Maybe maybe not, but sometimes that could be even more dangerous. I give them, I give the Pro Bowl a bit of a pass because I've watched it and I know that it's a joke compared to real football. But I mean, if they wanted to scrap the Pro Bowl and just take those guys to a dinner, I wouldn't give a

craplay right, the Pro Bowl dinner? No serious, Nobody likes the Pro Bowl and like to play in it. I give it a little bit of a pass because, like I said, like I could say that, but they still get decent ratings for that. Of course they do as football I'm saying, so, so somebody likes it. I people love to turn it on and talk about how much they hate It's like that's it's It's like, okay, that's what it's like. I can't believe people watch the old matters. So I mean, you know, I I would be I

would not mind scrapping the Pro Bowl. I I don't worry about it as much as other things because it's I mean, it's too hand touch basically for the most part. But yeah, but as we saw in the Pro Bowl volume, I mean the Bowl, the Beach Rookie Pro Bowl Game? What was that? What was the guy's name? The runner Bert Robert Edward tears up his knee like it doesn't take much as far as like touch or hit or whatever. The fact is, if they're playing football, they're playing football.

Injury that's happen. That's why fights happening. It's a lot just your training camp or whatever. Because one guy's going one guy's going seventy five, and you know, in the game, seventy five gets mad because you're going night. H Are you going nine? Yeah? Because I'm trying to make the team. And sometimes that happens in the Pro Bowl because you don't know exactly what level you get. This guy that's

there for the first time. Everybody about to show out everybody's favorite memory of the Pro Bowls when Sean Taylor absolutely destroyed that guy, Which it's a great it's a great clip. But at the same time, you're like, dude, you did that in an All Star game, Like really, well the punter was it was a fake punt. Yeah, so I just fake punt right, Hey wait, I mean ball's football. John Taylor was one of my favorites ever. So yeah, yeah, he could hit all right. Yeah, so

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also take questions on Twitter. Really good points, really good point that I saw on Twitter just now, which, Yeah, the Eagles played all their guys for four quarters last year in this and one and they won. Good for them, and it propelled them. Is that? Is that what happened? Yeah? Okay, it propelled them to a great offseason and a great following season. I'm just saying it did they flipped with the Cowboys. Cowboys didn't play their guys and what happened

this year at those damn Cowboys. I knew there was some reason. Look at all this now we figured it out what it was, We got to the bottom of it. Yeah, what Mark Sanchez was still the quarterback in that game, right, I mean at the end kind of yeah, did you see? Oh wait, where's Mark Sanchez now Chicago? Did you see? Did you see that video? I didn't see the whole thing. I just saw it was really what do you say? It's He actually did a hell of a John Gruden impression.

But he came up to he came up to Mitch Trubisky. I don't know if it was like before kickoff or when it was before right before the offense took the field, and he basically, in a very good John Gruden impression, was like, remember game days, not the day to try new stuff. He said a different word where he's like same same footwork, same throws you've been working on all week, Like just trust what you've been doing. And it was

it was funny because he did an impression. But I was like, no, yeah, like Mark Sanchez was probably a pretty good influence on old Dak when he was here. If yeah, it was watching it, you should go watch it. It was cool. Yeah. I saw it kind of in passing and I saw him at the end he just hit his helmets and let's go, you know, And it was kind of cool. I mean, people people want to give Tony Romo a lot of credit for being Dack's mentor.

Mark Mark Sanchez he was. I never heard that what I'm saying, Fans want to give him credit for that, you know, just because Mark Sanches couldn't play very well. I think he got a bad rap. And I've heard people that know him say how good of a person he is. I don't know him personally, but I've heard people say that. People that know him say he's a really good person. Here's a little goofy, but I mean, like just no talking about the quality of person. He's

a really good person. We're not buddies or anything, but he was always nice and friendly and professional. Yeah, Nick, you have a read force. Yes go Sorry, I was. I was prepared earlier than I threw it away. But it's okay. Tommy John, Tommy John never takes a day off. It's still the best underwear you're ever going to feel. You get your money back guaranteed shop Exclusive Cowboys Underwear

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tell me about it. Well, because it's just it's a matter of comfort and so you're not having to squirm around and you're the whole time like trying to adjust yourself. I'm gonna go get it. Depends if you're gonna be in one of those um first class like you were a couple of weeks ago. Every once. Now, hey, that's good. Will you deserve it? With it a little bump with a low of ten on Sunday. I'm gonna go get

some like thermal Tommy John DoD They have those. I don't know, I don't know, but you know where you can find a little hot slash. I don't want to be hot. No, No, that's the worst. You don't. Yeah, that's the worst. That's not a good idea. The great thing about Tommy The great thing about Tommy John is that it breathes, right, you want to breathe? Yeah, yeah, ye out sweaty sat all right, huh this is this is really bad. Okay, let's get to some always does

it really does? Let's get some questions. We got a call from Jeff in Indiana. Jeff, what hey, what's going on? Guys? Hey? Hey, have you guys seen the NFL networks A Football Life for Jerry Jones? Yes? Wow? Wow. I was born in nineteen seventy nine, so I was only ten eleven years old when I fell in love with this team, you know, that early nineties, and I didn't get to follow this

team like I would have as an adult. But that that little mini series there, that little documentary did a great job of really illuminating what Jerry Jones is and what he's all about. Made me respect him ten times more, and wow, it was. It was just awesome. Many Cowboy fans out there that have not seen that documentary, please go see that. It's got me a whole new respect for Jerry Jones. But he's got to get a new coaching staff in here, guys. I'm sorry, I knew it was.

I'm sorry, guys. I feel like Jerry and Stephen can go get this coaching staff twenty two pro bowlers, eleven on each side of the ball, and they'll fall away half their careers. I'm sorry. You guys talk about it every week or every year. You go on and on about at the end of the year, how this coaching staff did this and this and this. There's a ceiling on these guys. I'm sorry. If we haven't seen it in almost eight years now, we've seen it. It's it's over.

This coaching staff has a ceiling on this team. The talent is above the ceiling of this coaching staff. This coaching staff has a low ceiling. And that's just the way I feel. We see it in the little things. We see it in the time management, we see it in the play calls, we see it in all kinds of things. And it's hard to believe that there's this much money in this league for those kind of positions in this league, and there's not some young stud that's up every night trying to figure out a way to

get dead Terrence, all these kids the ball. I'm sorry, there's got to be somebody out there, there's got to be some young hungry I mean, there's too much money in this in these positions, guys. I mean, come on, eight seasons and this is the kind of production we've had in eight sets. I think getting kind of screwed. All right, thanks for the call, and I don't want to. I purposefully save this. Yesterday I thought, let's get into

the talk on coaches, but I say not. Some of the fans on Twitter gave me a hard time for not talking about it. But I really think this is a full show. I think this is a full show to talk about the coaches, particularly starting at the head coach and then moving on down And I actually want to have that conversation next week when the season's done. And I saved it. I purposely saved it. That's actually

because yeah, I mean like we're talking like the seasons over. Yeah, And I honestly, but but I do think all those conversations are going to be had next week, starting next week, if they're not already. And I think there are some some legitimate things that need to be talked about, not just from the head coach, but getting down to the coordinators and then get into some of these position coaches as well. And I'm I'm personally not one that takes

slightly saying fire a guy. Like people think that this is this is like a board game and you just fire people and it's there are no repercussions when you fire someone, even coaches, that means it them, their family, their kids, you know, the whole nine. They got to pick up and move somewhere else. And that's a big adjustment for coaches. And I know they accept that as

a part of the coaching coaching lifestyle. But the fact of the matter is, I think people take it so lightly sometimes and I don't think it's a light thing. I don't think it's a light decision. And I also like to give benefit of the doubt, for I don't want to just just make this conversation about what's going wrong, because if you're gonna talk about what's going wrong, you also have to go back and talk about what when wright a year ago, and that was virtually the same,

if not exactly the same coaching staff. So again, I just wanted to throw that out there. We're gonna get to that conversation and we're gonna go in depth with it. I just wanted to save it till next week. I don't know, if you guys have something you want to kind of throw out, we're not ignoring you, we're not waiting. I just want to wait because I think it's a bigger I think it's a really big discussion. I really do. I'm fine with that because I'm not dying to talk

about it. So is that also because you look at it, like you see these these coaches as people, and so saying it's a little bit fire them is a much more that's a much more serious thing than just saying than I think fans sometimes think when they say fire this guy, that's definitely about it. No, you can't see it with that kind of mentality. I don't which kind of mentality the whole like thinking about their families and you know they are No, I'm sorry, no, no, no,

because okay, I'm sorry. That's just the reality of things that I mean, you don't hire a person just because of what But no, absolutely we do. But we do like those fans, those fans, and yeah, I understand they don't care. They don't care. They don't go through the front of the plane, they don't exit on the front

of the plane. They don't see what we see. And so we can sit here all day and say fire this guy far like, it's a little different from our stamp because we're walking right past the coaches all the time. These coaches walk past our offices, and so we see him as people and know how much they work, and I get it. And they shouldn't really care about that kind of stuff because they're making more money than they'll ever make and they don't feel sorry for anybody like that,

even though they called. Last caller was sorry about a lot of things, because he just kept saying, I'm sorry, but but you're right about about the Dak and Lynn Lenahan thing. I mean, I know I've said I think they need a new play caller. I do. I have said that they need new coordinators on both sides in my opinion, But you can't ignore what they did last year with Dak in that offense and getting him ready because we thought at the time, we thought Dak was

one of the next superstars of the league. As it stands right now, I don't know. I don't know where he is. I think he's an average quarterback right now. And I say that because if you look at if you rank thirty two quarterbacks in the league, he's gonna be sitting right around sixteen or seventeen. There's about fifteen or sixteen that are better than him, and you know which way is he going? Is he gonna go Russell Wilson? Who've said this for two years? Is he gonna be

kapit Neck or RG three? Is he going to be Russell Wilson? Don't You don't know and right now we don't know. Well, that falls into this Twitter question that I was going to ask you guys, because I've been seeing it all over again and again since the game, you know, the whole question about Dak Prescott and where he's at and the future of this team and at the quarterback position and comments in regards to you, should the Cowboys be looking for another quarterback? I've seen plenty

of talk about mister Kellen Moore. I don't know why that's even coming up. I don't know if you guys have been receiving those kinds of tweets, you know, but I mean it's ridiculous, but yeah, it's but anyways, comparing him, you know, to him as anyways, should the Cowboys be looking for another quarterback or thinking about this and giving someone else another try, or keep obviously focusing on Dak and his improvement and growth. I mean, I think everybody's

it's out to lay out. I think that's a big no no no no, no, no no, no, no no no. I paused because I hate that we're talking about this. That's like, yeah, I agree with Nick, Like he's he has had a bad season by the standard of a team that's coming off a thirteen and three campaign. He has shown flaws. His accuracy is not amazing. His his mechanics can go to hell when he's worried about pressure and things like that. Like there's all kinds of of

stuff that he needs to work on. I'm not trying to say he was great, um, but like to just to just act like this, like this is worth abandoning, like this is just some project that went awry, I just don't buy that at all. Um. I see how hard he works, I see how much he cares about this. I see his demeanor and his presence. And in spite of all of this, like I have all the confidence in the world that he's still a guy that can handle that type of scrutiny, that type of pressure. Blah

blah blah blah blah. And on top of that, at times this year ie, when his running back and his left tackle were healthy, he looked pretty damn good. He was putting up numbers on par with what Carson Wentz was doing through the first eight weeks of the season. And I'm sorry it is an excuse, but I'm not going to apologize for him being better. When he's got an all pro running back and an all pro left tackle. He is still a fourth round pick. That is what he is. If he was more talented, he would have

gone in the first round. Like he's not Carson Wentz. That was never the argument, like people who try to turn it into this pissing match, Sorry for the language, like between those two. That was always a misguided It was, well, Dallas got a guy who's capable of doing this at a much lower cost. But Carson Wentz was easily the

better prospect, Like everybody knew that. So for me to sit here, a guy that's in his second year, how many games as he started twenty eight, twenty nine, less than thirty or maybe that whatever, you know what I'm trying to say, thirty one, it's okay that he needs a good supporting cast to be good at this stage in his career. It really is, and it's so to be honest, it's okay if he's still fifteenth sixteenth when

you start ranking him across the league. Absolutely at this stage of his career, and Russell Wilson was needed a lot of help his first two years. Literally some some wow I almost said something bad. Some but some jerk on Twitter the other day was like, Brady Rogers, Breeze, Ryan and Cam are all way better than him. I was like, of course they are. If they weren't, now we got a real storm, right what yeh. That's so stupid.

It's so even again. I mean, it's like the Garrett argument when they they when people you know, get mad at Garrett for doing stuff and then it's like, look what what Belichick's doing. I'm like, okay, stop. I mean, don't compare some guy for the you know, even even Lebron every time. If you want to keep it more realistic, I would hope that Carson Wentz is better than he is based on what Philly gave up to get him

where they did. This was never like if you thought Dak was the you know, most talented quarterback in the history of the world, and the whole NFL let him slip to one thirty five, that's on you. That's never it was about. It was about Dallas found a guy who can do the job at a really good Okay, okay, but they got to develop. They have to develop. But but hold on about that real quick though, that we need to at some point, we've got to bury that because I know this Tony Romo was not an undrafted

free agent from Eastern Illinois. After about a year, that that's out the window. Now you're better about a year in playing, or about a year, and that's from playing. That didn't happen until that would be about year three or four. Understand, I understand. So I'm just saying that when you get to that point and you make great points, you're right. He's not Carson Wentz. Not there, not there yet.

He's still learned, learning, he's still developing. But but we's getting to that point where we can't really make that excuse for him anymore. And I'm not saying you're making excuses. I'm just saying we need to bury that a little bit. He started, he's gonna start thirty two games this year, and you know, I think he's I think he's tough as nails. I mean, I do I think he and I think he's the leader that you want on this team. Give him some more help, give him some more guidance.

He to me, you can cue the teo, you know, clip all you want. He's the quarterback for this team. I mean exactly, I mean he would be the quarterback. There's no doubt. Do you draft a third or fourth rounder maybe, but you can do that just just to develop a guy as a backup so you don't have Cooper rushback there. And if you don't think he's the guy, but I think Dak should quarterback one hundred percent. Having said everything I said, I'll allow this. I mean, the

honeymoon's over. Like you wondered how long it would last, it's over now with the fan base, if not the organization. I think I think anybody inside this building still has all the confidence in the world in Dak Prescott. But you had a year that was up here and a year that was kind of down here. And I mean year three is going to be huge because I think if you don't see significant signs that he's trending upward at the end of year three, then I think this

is a more legitimate conversation. I guess my point is I haven't seen enough in year two that scares me that he's not going to be trending up. I just I have all the confidence I would like to give him. I don't know if I've ever said this. I'd like to give him like a speed receiver or something to help him a little bit. Maybe, Yeah, just somebody that can go. That's a new idea. Hey, they signed him that a little bit. So they signed a guy on

the practice squad Katie Cannon. Oh, that's a guy from Baylor. Hunh. He can go. Now, some issues now, he's had some missues. You can't cuss out. He can run. The sound coaches is not good. It's not good in this league. But he can definitely run. Let's take a call from Robin Vegas. Rob what up? Hey? Guys? All right, all right? Now you stick with Dak So you know, he kind of reminds me of Alex Smith. He's athletic. Maybe not the greatest on them, but I think you could win with him.

Do you need more pieces around him than obviously and Aaron Rodgers of course, but you got him in the fourth round and think about Yeah, the Eagles got Wentz, but we got we got Dak and Zeke for the same price pretty much, so I think we made out. Okay. You know, I was listening to that call of talking about Jerry Jones, and you know I watched that show too,

but I had a little different take. When Jerry Jones brought the team, he was a young man, he was, you know, like he said, he put all his money in and what did they do. He went out and got the best coach available and Jimmy Johnson who won a national championship, and he used Jimmy. Jimmy built the team for him and then he said, okay, you're out.

I don't need you anymore, and then kind of muddled around with head coaches and then didn't hire another real coach until Bill Parcels when he needed a new stadium, because he figured, I can't I can't have this coach and this record with this new stadium gets Bill Parcels gets his new stadium and then goes back to these average coaches. I think Jerry Jones got used to be an average I mean think about it. And ninety five the team was worth two hundred and thirty million, and

now it's worth over four million dollars average. Let's let's let me back up for it with you for just a second and hold on the line. I think you're rewriting history a little bit there. I don't think at the time when he hired Jimmy Johnson, Jimmy Johnson was the best, as most people would put it, the best coach available. Now, hold on, hold on, no, no, no, let me finish. At the time, remember, this was in a world where buy and large college coaches did not

have success in the NFL. So him going to get a guy that was a college coach, no matter how accomplished he was. On top of the fact that, let's remember that it probably there were probably people at that time and I was saying, this is all about the fact that this was his college roommate and his college teammate. That's why he's hiring. This has nothing to do with the best coach available. So I think that's rewriting history to fight a narrative. Hold on, hold on, hold of that, Jesus,

hold on. I think that's rewriting history a little bit to fit a narrative that now we think because Jimmy Johnson was it was a really good coach for the Cowboys. Now you're kind of rewriting that. I don't think that was a narrative at the time. I think at the time it was probably considered to be a sophomore move by a freshman owner. Well, I think you're partially right. I also think, let's face that, Jimmy Johnson wasn't some bum. I mean, he did win a national championship. I think.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I think the Jerry Jones of thirty years ago would not have Jason Garrett as as his head coach. I think the seventy seven year old Jerry Jones being worth so much money, and let's face it, his team is the most popular. They're always on TV. His memory, he's never suffered from being average, and think about it, since ninety five, I think they're like thirteen games over five hundred. So that's all I'm trying to say. So we talk about firing

Jason Gett. You guys know, I'm not a Jason Garrett fan, but I think he surrounds himself now he looks at it like, you know what, I like coming to the office and being around people I like, And I think that's I'm not saying he doesn't want to win. I just don't think he has the hunger time like it used to. All Right, thanks for the call, I think again, I think that is a very I think that's the kind of comment that you would get from a fan who's and it's no fault of his own, that's looking

from the outside in. I don't think and I've never been around another owner because I've only worked for the Cowboys, I don't think there are a lot of owners out there that put as much into trying to win as Jerry does. I know in listening to what other teams say about their ownership and how much they are involved, and I have colleagues around the league. I know for a fact Jerry puts more time into his team than probably any owner in the league. I don't buy the

idea that Jerry is okay with being average. And I know from the meetings that I'm in that winning is everything to this man, and just because he hasn't gotten there doesn't mean it's not important to him. It means that it just hasn't worked out for him. I know, we gotta go and a man, and I wasn't even

here for this, but like didn't. Jerry just used to have the worst reputation for being like impulsive and just doing anything he could, no matter how desperate or illogized it was, to get ahead because he just wanted to get a win out. I'll you just try to get a super Bowl. He got murdered for that. So now hear it like flip around and hear him getting murdered for being too complacent and comfortable with being average. Like it just sounds like one of those classic you can't

win well. He's learned over the years that you can't just just turn coaches around and coaching staffs around. I mean, you need that consistency. And some of the best teams out there are consistent with their coaches. They they've kept them there. They know it helps the scout, it helps you draft when you know what everybody's on the same page and you can't just flip the script every every

couple of years. Now, I get it. And we've been at seven years or so with with Garrett, and he's got to prove here at some point, like I agree with that idea good Garrett, Yeah, yeah, I mean he's got he's getting to that point where it's like, Okay, now you gotta kind of do it right. Yeah, I agree, I mean he definitely does. I mean you could make the argument. We could sit here and make the argument

one way or another, but I don't. I think that Jerry has learned that that just turning coaches just be because you want to and you wanted to get something better. You look around the league that doesn't that's not really a recipe for success. So I'll see, all right, guys, appreciate you joining us. I remember we are going to get back to that conversation on coaches. I will definitely bring that up. That'll be as part of our show next week. Until then, for Nick even Dave Hellman Amberg.

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