Cowboys Break: Scouting The Redskins Offense

Season thirteen, episode number sixty one. Welcome to another edition of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. And today we're gonna be talking about Cowboys versus Redskins. It is Redskins Week. Cowboys will travel to Washington on Saturday and then on Sunday at three twenty five they'll kick off against the Redskins. How's everybody doing this morning? Well, I'm doing outstanding. I don't know about the rest of the group. I'm doing fine. Dave

good rip, Fats Domino pass away? Yeah he just passed away. It is said, Yeah, didn't I baby King passed away? What it last within the last year or at last maybe a year and a half or so. But Blues Legend New England Zone Fats Domino. Alright, we were kind of talking about blues a little bit, so well, sorry, I think Prince is bluesy No, okay, no, just he passed away too, Michael Jackson, Seleno, how long are we gonna? Yep, just just keep going, I guess, all right, but how

are you this? Maybe maybe Elvis, maybe Tupac? All right, just glad to be alive right now? Wow, that is always an acceptable answer for whatever it's worth. Yeah, it's better than the alternative crazy. It makes it sound like it was a close call or something. No, every day could be a close call. You never ever know every day. I'm cheflin. It's true that also. All right, let's get into some football. Let's talk some Cowboys and Redskin before we do that, though, I do want to start first

with the news that came out yesterday evening. Cowboys make a decision with the kicker, and I think there are two parts of this story. Number one the guy that they brought in and number two the guy that they sent packing. So let's start first with the guy they brought in, Mike Nugent. He is being brought in and replaced Dan Bailey. Just to give you, guys, an idea

of kind of statistically what he was last year. He seems to be a pretty steady kicker if you're less than fifty except and here's the notable exception, extra points. For some reason, for some reason, last year he had a really tough time with extra points. He was only twenty three of twenty nine on extra points. But when you look at the rest of his kicking, he was he was nine of nine twenty to twenty nine yards. He was nine of ten thirty to thirty nine yards.

He was five or seven for forty to forty nine yards.

Oh of three beyond fifty. But okay, that's acceptable. That's a you know, that's not a gimmey anyway, It's not acceptable now when Dan Bailey's the guy, no, no no, no, for a guy that was on the street, that didn't have a job that you need to bring in to give you some relief while your starter is out, that's acceptable if I'll tell you like this, if he fixes the extra points and the only thing you're dealing with is a guy that's reliable for fifty for less than fifty,

I'll take that, would you not? I get your point, But it's sure is nice. I could have been different there. Just it's not acceptable, but it's more understandable, I guess. I mean, no, I think he's succeptable. For me, it's acceptable if I know as a coach. If I know as a coach that the guy's reliable for forty nine anything forty nine in he's reliable, then I can plan around that. I know that I'm not gonna throw him out there too often unless it's like in the game

type situation where I have to do it. I'm not gonna throw him out there to kick a fifty two yard because I don't trust him there. But if I know forty nine, unless I can trust him, I can plan around that. Right. We know that extra points make a difference, But I'm just glad that right now the Cowboys are able to score touchdowns and nod to the point where we were they were struggling with scoring and just relying on field goals and all that. Maybe they

just let he keep doing the extra points. Yeah, I mean, maybe he's two with three, right, twenty three of twenty nine, twenty three, twenty nine. It wasn't great. That's not good. I mean, what seriously, what is that average? That's not good. The thanks, Jason. What I'm thinking, what seventy probably seventy nine, that's awful, Okay, Jeff, he's sixty six bad for extra points.

That's pretty bad averages like ninety eight point nine or see what what I don't like about him already just by knowing that is that it seems like it's a mental thing, because what is he on twenty of twenty nine and all that? That's exactly right. Twenty twenty nine, he's nine of nine. He didn't miss anything. Twenty's thirty and thirty. He's nine of ten. See, so he's only missed one. It was the thirty nine. Mental part of the extra point is now pushed back, and that probably

helped him get on the street. You know, obviously you miss an extra points, yeah, but a mental part of it. So hopefully all that's fixed. I mean, Dan Bailey. Everyone appreciates Dan Bailey, and they'll appreciate him even more probably in the next few weeks. That's just the way it is. And to be honest with you, the guy has a twelve year career. Last year was a bit of an aberration.

He's been a pretty good kicker throughout his career, and he's made a lot of a lot of kicks throughout his career, so he has not been he's never been great beyond fifty. Yeah, he's kind of been mixed beyond fifth. There's some years he's been two of three, that kind of thing. But he's not never been a great reliable kicker beyond fifty. But again, I don't think that most kickers are that reliable beyond fifty. I think for a few yea, and Bailey is one of them. I don't

think there are a lot of them. I know that going in right, know that first and ten of the thirty four yard line, you don't run the football or if you if that's what you need, if that if you need, if you make sure you need to get a field goal, because you can't just go three passes now, okay, now were in fifty one two yarder, you can't do that with him. It was he the one that pac Man called out a few years ago, probably because he's

been on the bank. Yeah, that's why. I remember there was a game between the Bengals and the I think it was the Panthers, and they tied. Somebody missed two or three field goals, pac Man called him out, which is you know any right, I pac Man wouldn't do that Ted anyways. All right, so let's let's talk about the flip side of this coin. Um. Now, the guy, Huh, I thought it would be more. You did think it

would be more. Actually you brought up both Mores within the last two days and uh, and it ended up being Demontre More. Um. Do you guys know why? Because I think that's the prevailing question out there that everybody wants to know, is why why Demontre More Dan? Really why Demontre More as opposed to a guy like Kellen Moore who is for an all intents and purposes. You heard Stevens say that he's not going to be the backup anymore. So you think you can still get into

the practice squad. Why wouldn't he have been the guy? Yeah? I don't know about that part, but I mean, if they need another roster spot, he's probably a good candidate Callen Moore. But let's talk about Demontre Bar. I'll start with this. I know why he wasn't cut. It wasn't cut because of the fist in the air and the salute and all that. That's not why he was cut, So I'll let Dave talk about the rest why it

was Ormer. This kind of goes back to um to what I was saying about Darren McFadden last week, which is that you know, this will be asked about today at Jason Garrett's press conference and afterwards off the record, and will probably be told one thing, and I won't believe it, Like I don't. I don't believe this was a one hundred percent football decision. And I'm not I'm not trying to say that Demontre Moore's DeMarcus ware Like he had five tackles and no sacks. It's not like

he was lighting the league on fire. I feel like kind of like and I was leading that charge like with Darius Jackson last year, where you know, you cut a guy and he's all of a sudden Herschel Walker or Walter Payton because he's not on the team. Like that's not true. This isn't going to alter their prospects.

But it's just weird, and I just it just doesn't add up to me that, based on what he was doing on the field and what the makeup of this team is, that that this was purely football and I think that is backed up by the fact that they're working out a defensive end today, so they know that they need another like they know that they're not probably

not one hundred percent set at defensive end. It's not like they're like, well, we're good here, we just have too many that when the last time they said that, lets any team ever said we got too many defensive ends. So do I know the specifics of it, No, But I just have this feeling like it's it's just it wasn't a pure football you know, I'll say this, it's it's never only football, but it starts with football, you know,

that's where it is. I mean, if I Demontre Moore obviously had three sacks and you know, was making a lot of plays, you change your tune a little bit differently. But you know, there was some there was sounds like there was an incident in a club with him that that with I don't know all the details about it, but I do know that he was there and he was with some people that were there, and I don't that might have been why he didn't play. Um, there's a lot of sketchy details here. It's a little bit

similar I guess with a smaller sample size. But of Lucky Whitehead, I mean when we talked about this too, all those things that Lucky did, but he didn't play that well, so you didn't really have to put up with it. And I'm not saying de Montrey Moore has that much, but you know, he's been here just a

short time. He's been suspended for two games, which they knew about when they signed him, but they did know about it, and you probably, you know, want a shorter leash on him than somebody who, yeah, you didn't have to worry abeat. It's probably it's probably realistic, believe, And that wasn't his only indiscretion, Like coming in the door. He had some past things that had gone on, not only in college but also in New York. Right, So

so I would guess, I would guess. I don't know this for a fact, but I would guess that the Cowboys brought him in with the understanding, look, we're giving you this chance, but if we see signs that things aren't changing, we're gonna not have you around our team. And and so if there were again I don't know the details, but if there were things that happened off

the field. It could have been a situation where the Cowboys are just like, you know, you're not a great player, right, But the fact of the matter is you're not holding up your into the bargain, which is we brought you with the expectation that you were trying to be better and change or whatever, and doesn't seem to be. Yeah,

but let's let's make it clear. I mean, it's about football as well, because anyone that sits there and go, oh, but Zeke can do this and David Irving can do it, yeah, because because they're better football players and that's just the name of the game. It's the way it always has been, the way it always will be. David Irving has three sacks in two games, right because Zeke. Yeah. I mean, that's just that's the way it is. That nobody's held

to the same standard. When they start paying players the exact same, then it can hold them to the same standard when they when they draft them different spots and they pay them differently and they perform differently differently exactly the way it is. So so I just I think right now that that whole question, and I've seen a lot of different reports out there. I think everybody needs to hold just a bit on that whole thing until we learn more, because there has to be more to

this story. It's you know, it's what I was trying to say is a little fishy, and I think there's more factors here at work than just pure football. But the Cowboys didn't just cut John Randall, you know, like it's it's right the day you were right about that. I'm not gonna say exactly what, but I just we talked about it yesterday. You were exactly right about what would happen. Oh yeah, what story would come out? And it did. You're also right about another thing on a

very smaller level. But you said, when I get into my car and I start driving to the airport on Saturday, their Cowboys are going to send out Richard ashes on the team. And I'm I'm telling you that's exactly. I don't know what did I say, write the story now? Because we knew it was gonna happen, right, I've been around the block a few times, not enough to write the story then, but I know that no, the Russian write it. Oh Rob wrote it. Yeah, he's been around

the block a little longer. True. All right, let's jump into this thing. We're gonna talk about the Washington offense today and the Cowboys defense. Um, so we're gonna do this a little differently. We're gonna have Dave give us a scouttering report acause he's been doing and then I want to hear from Amber and Nick on specific things about the Washington offense that should concern Nik. Isn't a weird good mood for a morning, It's just not. It's

not normal. You take any medicine this morning feeling a little Maybe I didn't take the medicine. I don't know. Now you are in a good mood for a morning. Usually mornings aren't your thing. Well, you know, when you're up at five am, it's not morning. You weren't. Well, maybe you should get him at five am every morning. Maybe I'll start texting you at five am. That sounds good. All right, let's jump into this day. Give me a scatter report on the Washington offense. Well, I'm gonna start

this mainly. I mean I would I would guess that we all watched at least part of that Monday night game against If you watched it, you probably saw, just like scores of Washington players being helped off the fields. It was hard to keep up with after a while. Yeah, well that's what I'm here for. And the main thing that I'm watching is one, two, three, Four of the starting five offensive linemen on this team are dealing with something heading into this game. Trent Williams has a knee

that I like, the football players are crazy. He's dealing with a situation that probably needs surgery, and he's basically going to try to make it through ten more games of the season. I respect. It's unbelievable. I mean, you talk about Tyrn Smith managing his back. This guy needs probably needs surgery. Jay Gruden said he's probably not going to practice again this year. They're just gonna try to get him through it. So think about that for a moment.

This is a three hundred plus pound man who is putting a lot of torque on his knee. He can't feel good, and he's just like, I'll play through it. I'll be good. I would imagine every day is agony, and then on game day you get some tour at all and go out there and play crazy. Spencer Long has tendonitis in his knee. I believe he's their center. He's questionable. Brandon Sheriff sprained his MCL again. That sounds like something that would sideline me for a month. They're

optimistic he can play. We'll see. Also has a bad back, and yes, Morgan Moses rolled both of his ankles. That's your right tackle, he said after the game. He's playing. He doesn't care. As long as nothing's broken. He's playing. But still happened. So at the very least, you're gonna be missing several guys, or at the very you could be missing several guys are At the very least, they're all gonna be playing beat up, like real beat up.

So that's where I start with that. But mainly the main thing, you know, last week I talked about how the forty nine ers are kind of a throwback in the sense that they play under center and they have fullbacks and tight ends. This is the Washington Redskins are the epitome of the NFL in twenty seventeen because they don't do anything like that, like this is a shotgun team. This is a three and four wide most of the

time kind of teams. The Baylor in its in its heyday kind of a yeah, apps, I mean they chuck the ball around. Their sixth in the league in passing offense. They average two hundred and fifty four yards a game. They're tight ends, Jordan Reed and Vernon Davis are both really receivers. They don't do that inline stuff. There is

a lot of which I thought was interesting. There's a lot of h back stuff that they do, Like they'll put their tight ends in the backfield Niles Niles Paul, Yeah, he lines up back there a lot, but really, like I said, a lot of him personnel, a lot of bunch formations, a lot of trips, a lot of stacking receivers, Terroll Prior all line up on the line with Josh Doxon right behind him, that type of stuff, and they just throw the ball around. Case in point, who do

you think their leading receiver is right now? Chris Thompson Thompson Bingo. Because running back, their running game is okay, it's fourteenth in the league, but the vast majority of their production at running back comes from Chris Thompson, who has two hundred and thirteen rushing yards but three hundred and sixty six receiving yards. He's averaging sixteen yards as a catch and he is a Whipon. He for comparison, he had three hundred and fifty in all of twenty sixteen.

So I think they did some self scouting and realized, like, hey, we might not be maximizing this guy because he you know, I went into this thinking I was like, all right, well, Jamison Crowder's the guy. That's what like. You know, I hadn't watched him. I'm like, Jamison Crowder's the guy. He's his shifty third round pick, catches the ball near the line of scrimmage. He's got nineteen catches for one hundred yards. Bad. I'm guessing he's on your fantasy Yes he's been bad

this year. Yeah, Yes, he's been bad this year. Horrible Jordan Read. You know, he's seen hurt a lot, He's always hurt. He's got two hundred and six yards. Vernon Davis pretty having a nice season. He's got three hundred yards, but only on fifteen catches, which they played six games, so you're talking less than three catches per game. They go down filled him a lot. Josh Doson has You've definitely seen him. He's had some real jaw dropping plays.

He made an amazing catch against Oakland. I think he had another one against Kansas City. But he has seven catches on the year, so he has an amazing drop two or two. And so I'm I'm I read or listen back to what I just said, and you're like, where is the production coming from? If they're the six ranked offense or six ranked passing offense, it's coming from Chris Thompson. He's he's having an amazing year. Um, Rob Kelly and samaj p Ryan. Are there other running backs?

Those are guys worth looking at? And they do they try to do some power stuff, but I watched two plus games worth and the amount of times where they like lined up in an eye or of one back formation and just handed the ball off very rare compared to shotgun even shotgun handoffs or just throwing the ball to a running back and having that used as a handoff base. Rob has been hurt quite a bit this year. I think he just came back this last game or the game before. But p rn p Ron's a pretty

good running back. I saw him at I watched most of his career at Oklahoma. He's a pretty good running back. He's not a guy that's gonna wow you. He's not doesn't have crazy speed. He doesn't have, you know, crazy strength, but he kind of have a good has a good mixture of both. So he's a good running back, a solid running back. He's the kind of running back that if you let him get going, he can have a

nice day on you. But I don't think he poses nearly the threat that Chris Thompson does in terms of running the ball. This team doesn't scare me, especially if their offensive line is banged up. Ryn's averaging three yards per carry. Thompson is a scatback. I mean, he's that's just not going to be his game. And then Kelly's been hurt, he's averaging He's he's doing a little bit better. I think, all things being equal, if he's completely healthy, I assume he's the guy they'd prefer to have out

there as they're running back. But what they use is really a part of their running game is getting Chris Thompson out. No that will and you know they're fav stuff. Their favorite thing in the world, like I said, is like they'll put Terrell prior Crowder. They'll put two or three guys over here and send him down the field and clear that space out and just dump a little swing route off to Chris thomp They'd do it all the time and sometimes it busts big. I mean, Chris

Thompson's averaging sixteen yards to catch. That's so and like like, honestly, I knew he was on this team, like I knew who he was, but he was, Like I said, he has not been in a focal point for them the way that he has. He looked really good in that game against oak I don't know if you guys saw that game, but ice game against Oakland, he's everything that Jason Garrett and Scott Linahan dreamed Lance Dunbar would be. No doubt, Yep, he's just up. Dunbar never could he

never could be that guy. But but so, I mean, everybody knows Kirk Cousins at this point. I think he's a better player than he gets credit for. But he's not. He's not consistently good enough to get that type of credit. That's I mean, he'll throw up a stinker once a month, and usually when everybody's watching, like on Monday night, where he's and by no means he was not bad in

that guy. He wasn't. I don't think that. But he's over six, but he did lose by three possessions to a divisional arrival, which isn't a good look if you're supposed to be one of the better quarterbacks in the league. But he didn't nothing. But he's playing great. He's got I think he's got eighteen hundred passing yards. He's limited the picks this year. The thing that I'm looking at for this, and we wrote about this in the mailbag today, is this is another one of those situations where they're

gonna get their yards like that. That's just how it's gonna be. Like I don't I don't think of the Cowboys as being equipped to just completely shut them down. He had four he had something like four thirty in the Week two game last year, and he missed on some throws that would have made that way worse. I mean, he missed the Shan Jackson. They have won the game for him, if you'd like. And then on Thanksgiving, I

think he threw for three to sixty. So I mean, you're not You're not going to shut this down with all the different weapons that they have and the fact that he's a good quarterback. The thing I'm looking at is again that offensive line and this is as good as the Dallas pass rush has been in the last

five or six years. So I think that's that's your best bet is this isn't a running game that I think can take over the game, and so hopefully DeMarcus Lawrence and company will be able to get some wins and get him on the ground, which should hopefully mitigate this. Based on what you were able to see, especially in the second half of that game against Philadelphia and how the defensive front for the Eagles was able to I think, really start taking over that game in the second half.

Do you think the Cowboys can do a similar thing with facing a banged up Washington Redskins office, because I do think that offensive line in Washington is really good, but banged up. Do you think Dallas has the horses to be able to get after all? Was that just a function of the fact that Philly's front is just so good. Well, you know, Dallas can can try to get after him. But the problem is is we've seen

so many times they're not that great at blitzing. They don't seem to get home, and then when that happens, then obviously they're vulnerable in the secondary. And we know what they are with the safeties. I mean that that right there. It's not what I'm going to be concerned about. But but I am concerned about the fact that the safeties don't cover the tight end well. And the last time Jordan Reid was playing with like one arm and still in Thanksgiving Day games, still had like ten catches

or so two touchdowns. And Vernon Davis is playing as well as he has been since joining this team. It's a tough tight end matchup. And you know, obviously the safeties have had some issues covering d linebackers too. Who I mean, they don't do well against the tight end. And that's kind of like I said, I mean, I don't think you're gonna shut these guys down. I think they're gonna put up some stats and it's gonna be disheartening to a degree. But and that I mean, that's

my I guess my hope. If they're gonna play well and win this I think they're going to take advantage of this offensive line, and you know, three four sacks could go a long way in helping to limit that. All right, let's take our first break. When we come back from the break, I want to hear from Amber and Nick. I want to hear about your concerns. What do you think is the biggest concern as you look at this Washington offense matching up against this Dallas defense.

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Today we're focusing in on the Cowboys off I'm sorry, the Redskins offense versus the Cowboys defense. Did Dave did a wonderful job of giving us a scouting report on this team. Thanks Derek, and so now it is time for Nick and Amber to give us their thoughts. Tell me one, sorry, I forgot something really important. I'm sorry. Uh red zone, that's another big thing. Okay, what go ahead? I just was that. I'm so I think you just took everything. Go ahead, go ahead, okay, good, okay, good,

go ahead, they finish your point. They just they just haven't been great at it. Uh. They're ten, they're ten of nineteen on the year, their end of nineteen. So wait, is that is that red zone touchdowns or red zone points? It's the red zone scoring. But that's that's so six of they've only scored a touchdown on six of those ten.

They've said to oh wow, so there's what's happened to so not yet nine they what turnovers or or fuel goals and then turnovers and um and miss field goals because they've had they had you know, they had to replace their kicker. Yeah, and stuff like that kind of sounds familiar here. Yeah. Um, so it hasn't been good. And now it was Dustin Hopkins, he's on ir Bath it is now most it's Nick Rose Ross Yeah, I him. You never well they remember a couple of years ago,

the guy that was always missing at Texas. Yeah, that's Nick Rose. Yeah, he's their new kicker. Yeah. So but I mean, and fans don't want to hear the fans are tired of the bend don't break thing. I get that, but that is another place where that's probably gonna be your best bet is to force them to set up for fuel goals which they might miss or maybe get some turnovers down there. But for a team with a quarterback as good as I think Kirk Cousins is, they're

not great at cashing in on scoring drives. It actually brings up a good point. I'm sorry, I'm just saying. One of the biggest plays of the season last year was an interception in the end zone Bury Church. Yeah, Cousins, really bad decision. That actually does bring up another point, Dave. You mentioned that the turnovers they were right now thirtieth in the league. And fumbles lost they have seven on the season. That's a big number of times that they've

given the ball away fumbling in a way. So that's something for the now Cowboys. Don't necessarily take advantage that this last game that we're able to get some some of those, but that hasn't been something that they've done really great all season. But this may be an opportunity for them because this team does have a tendency to give the ball away. So Amber, what's the one thing if you had one thing that you would say concerns you or should concern fans about this Washington offense versus

the Dallas defense, what would it be. I mean, y'all have pretty much covered every single area, so it's kind of hard to go back and repeat whatever, you know. But my main guy, and I think everyone agrees, would be Chris Thompson. But now I would put everything on Kirk Cousins just because again the offensive line, how bad it is Dallas. The offensive line, We've seen what they've done,

especially in this last game playing against the rookie. Yeah, but still maybe they're going, you know, in a groove, and they're gonna keep that going and get better and really take advantage of their bad offensive line. Now, I think he's able to get rid of the ball pretty quickly, and he's able to play around and move around and get out of the pocket and still be able to

make plays. And the Dallas scout with defense is going to have to take advantage of that too, given the fact that if they're able to pressure him and he gets rid of that ball quickly, maybe get some turnovers. One note is that I was looking at what they they've been doing and apparently they're not gonna practice until tomorrow, so they're gonna have an extra day off just given the fact that they're so banked up, and yeah, their coach doesn't want to mess with them, just kinda give

them time to recover. They're just gonna go through some drills and walk throughs and just kind of keep studying the Dallas team, the whole team. But hopefully that's another thing that helps them, just the fact that they haven't been able to have that extra day off and coming off a Monday night game. So Dallas really has a lot of good advantages here. Why are you shaking your head on? Are you done? That? Is that the end of it? What? What was that? I just bit my mouth.

Oh my god? All right. Number one, I think when you look at what the Redskins are doing, um, I think the interesting part of third and long third and long, which is eight to nine yards, and they're they're converting forty six percent of their third and long, which the average in the NFL is twenty percent. So when you think about getting them into passing situations like that should be a favorable thing for the Cowboys and for any team, but with cousins and and as Dave was saying, with

guys like that they have on the outside. Of course, with Thompson, a guy that can just get out of the backfield, that would just they're never really in a safe situation. So I think from a personnel standpoint, that's kind of tough for the Cowboys to figure out where to match up because if you're completing forty five percent forty six percent of your third and long, that means

that they're finding the mismatches out there. So I think that's going to be the big key is to figure out where the best personnel packages and sub packages to play, because it doesn't seem like anything really phases them even and that's why their first second and third and drives and length of drives and three and outs that they don't have any three and ouns that basically they go

to ten play drives. They're one of the top of the league, so they stay on the field, and I think that's because the Kurt Cousins is finding these mismatches. You happen to know the flip of that stat like, where did the Cowboys rank in getting opponents off the field on third and long, third and long? It seems to me and This could be a misguided thing, but it seems to me like the Cowboys aren't great at that. Like it seems like, especially earlier in the season, they

were having a heart. They get teams into third, and they get teams into situations so you think they should get off the field, and they wouldn't end up getting off the field. Um, And I don't know if it seems like that teamy you guys, but that's just the way it seemed to me. I'd be interested to know that stat and kind of where they rank there, where they where the Cowboys rank on the other side of that? So not great? Bad? What's there? What's there? What's the

number that's about thirty one percent? Thirty one about third of the time when the Cowboys have a team in third and long. Yeah, they allow them to convert the average great six nine. No, it's it's bad. Actually it's not great. So it's not good. So it's not a good matchup. That's particular one. It's not a good matchup for the Cowboys because the Redskins do it well and the Cowboys don't do it so well. Basically, Yep, I just like I said, this is you know, you want

to you want to beat everybody. You don't want to allow points and yards and stuff. But this is one of those games where that that's going to happen and you just got to try to work around it in order to find a win. All right, So let's go back to Chris Thompson a little bit. It seems like and I think Dave, you've talked about it. Amber, you talked about it. Um, he is obviously going to be

a threat. How did the Cowboys neutralize that threat? Because, um, you would think that that he's probably going to be in a lot of situations where linebackers are going to have to be chasing him around the field. Do you think that this is a task that the linebackers on this team are up for? Do you think this is one of those situations where you treat him more like a receiver and maybe put a safety or or maybe

even a corner. You try to have those kind of guys covering him when he's coming out of the backfield. There's no way to say this without sounding mean. And I'm a big fan of the guy, but I'm glad that Anthony Hitchins and Sean Lee are around to not put all of this on Jalen Smith UM, which I think that's fair though it didn't know I mean, you know, but you know it's fair. It's fair, but still don't like calling the guy out. But that, I mean, that would be an obvious mismatch if Jalen was going to

have to play fifty six. Yeah, Um, I don't know if there's a healthy linebacker that can probably stay with Chris Thompson. That that's that's part of why he's so dangerous. Right now, How did the Eagles do it? Because obviously Chris Thompson wasn't a he didn't kill them. So did you notice anything about what Philly was doing and how they were able to maybe contain him? Pressuring Kirk I

think is a big part of that. Um. And then the other one actually, and I don't have the stats offhand, but I mean the Eagles they lost Hicks what a minute into that game. By the midpoint of that game, they were playing not ideal linebackers and they already had one line linebacker out right, I mean, they were playing their special teams linebackers there. Uh. The thing with the Eagles is they have awesome safeties, and I think that's a big part of this and like preferably like the

coutboys don't. Unfortunately, Yes, that's that's what I'm saying. Um, they'll get there. I in all things being equal, I would try to match him up with a defensive back before a linebacker. But I don't know if they I don't know if that's a good idea on these Like a guy like Xavier Woods, I think this might be a week where maybe could you could you he's a guy like that who is athletic safety but also drops

down and plays coverage. Like would he be a guy that maybe you could do some special things or not not every play, obviously you've got to do a lot of different things. But he is he a guy that maybe can give you a little something there where you try to get him to kind of sometimes match up with Chris Thompson. Is he a guy that can play safety and let Byron Jones come down into the box and match up with guys like that? Yes, But the only thing about that is how comfortable do you feel

that Byron Jones can handle that task? I mean, that's that's what he was really good at, wasn't it. And when he was covering tight ends? Yeah, I think well, just being down there and helping be an athlete. That's what he is. That's an athlete. It's not that great of a football player right now, but he's a really good athlete. And sometimes you can get by and that as he's learning the position and he is still learning,

he's still learning how this goes. And you know, he hasn't done you know, his We talked about this all the time, the versatility of Byron Jones to play some corner play, some safety, play down play tight ends. It's kind of probably affected him because he still hasn't been able to just learn this one spot. So the last couple of years he is learning. He has played safety mostly, but I still think he's a work in progress. Now. It's not to answer the question, yeah, I think he

could be fine with that. And we saw that last week that Xavier Woods was playing more of the center fielder part and he was playing closer to the line that was on one of the third down packages. As long as we're talking about this, this is not something that I would really expect to see, but we've seen a few teams this year play basically big nickel, like the Rams use Mark Barron as their nickel linebacker. He's really more of a safety. Somebody else did it too,

maybe the Packers more. Yeah, Morgan Burnett, he plays nickel linebacker for the Packers. Byron just be a big nickel. Just play Byron? There is he too small for that? Am I crazy? I think the Cowboys have done it, But they did it with Heath like Heath would be able. They've had he that's down there playing. They did that with Barry Church. Yeah right, they did it with Barry

quite a bit. Maybe that's a way you mitigate that or whether it's Heath or Buyer in either way, just give you a little more athleticism down there at linebacker. That is. That is an idea that I like for covering a team like this. When you I mean the Redskins basically always have It's okay, Vernon Davis and Jordan Reader basically receivers, and Chris Thompson's basically a receiver, so like they have a minimum of four receivers on the

field at any given time. Really when you think about it, so give me all the athleticism and speed you got, you're gonna need it. I mean linebackers, Yeah, you do have Sean Lee back and together with Anthony Hitchins. But at the same time, I don't think they were great and outstanding On the last game, you know, against the forty nine ers. We saw them do a good job,

but it's not at the level that we expected to be. Well, I'm I'm as big a fan of Anthony Hitchins as you're gonna find, but I just don't know if his game translates to this kind of matchup. Like I'm like, wha wait, you're like I said, this is a wide open, throwing the ball around offense where I mean, how much are the Redskins even really going to be traditionally running the ball? Right? Maybe they'll try it because the Cowboys

haven't been good at stopping it. That's something worth considering, But yeah, I don't. And Anthony Hitchins is fine in coverage, but it's I mean, that's not his strong suit, you know which Again I'm thinking, like, how can I get as many defensive backs onto the field to help cover all these guys. That's that's what I'm thinking. I don't know if they agree with me, but just kind of

thinking out loud right now. All right, One of the questions I have for you guys with regard to this right now, you Dave, you mentioned all the different receiving options that they have. Which of those guys do you think is the biggest threat? I pose this question to the table. Anybody can jump in, but which do you think is the biggest receiving threat. We've already talked about the running back and Chris Thompson. But which of the receivers is the biggest pose of the biggest threat for

the Cowboys? Well, and couldn't we say read yeah, tight end wid yeah, because I think that the corners are doing a pretty good job. I guess. I mean, when they go up against a Hall of Famer, they're gonna probably give up a you know, have a tough night like they did with Larry. But I think for the most part, it's the tight ends that that that give this team a lot of issues. And Reid has done it in the past. And like you guys have said,

Vernon Davis is playing Wellson. Now you have a couple of options there, and you're gonna be focused on trying to get Chris Thompson out of the backfield, and I think that's where the tight end will be will exploit them so that that would be my pick there. Those other receivers are good, and then there was you know, they got a mix of receivers, big guys, little guys. Vernon Davis scares me in this game because I mean, Jordan Reid's great and he killed him last year. But

I assume they'll focus on him. They'll have an idea. Plus, he's got injury problems that maybe will slow him up. But Vernon Davis is kind of like that forgotten guy and it seems like he's running crossing routes. He's running down the seam like you said they run on the

outside sometimes and going downfield. Yeah, I just I just think he's gonna hit some plays in this game because he's sort of the forgotten man, because we just said he's probably optioned four on this team in terms of like where you would prefer to go, which means he's Vernon Davis is the type of guy that's going to

draw out Anthony Hitchins. And I don't like that matchup for Anthony Hitchins at all because he at one point, I don't know that he still is, but at one point he was a four or five guy, like he can run he's a big guy, but he can run, and if he's even anywhere close to that at this point, that presents a lot of matchup challenges, especially if flyingbackers are trying to cover him. You have one ember well,

I would say, for example, any wide receiver. Honestly, it's a fair game here, just because I don't feel comfortable enough just yet with the corners we have, so any of those is a fair game at this point, and anyone on any given week can can get off on you, right Yeah. I mean I'm not feeling one hundred percent comfortable with the guys we have defense right now to where I could be like, Okay, this wide receiver isn't that great. He's not an All Pro all Star. No,

that doesn't matter at this point. You have to be worried about every guy right now. They don't have all pro corners for sure. Now. I do know that after the game they were already talking about Scandrick Anthony Brown. That might have been someone else over there talking about wanting to match up. Now, that doesn't mean they will wanting to match up against Washington. They want to They

want to go. You know, I got him, you got him, and I kind of like that against a team like Washington because as what do you guys just finished saying they have such different kinds of receivers, right, Yeah, I mean who gets Crowder? I mean they got a lot of guys I would I would hope. Yeah, I mean he's a slot guy, you would think, and then you got Anthony Brown. I mean there's not a great matchup for Prior. Then, although Prior last week at least, Prior

has moved down the depth chart something. Yeah, something's up with him. Yeah where he's Yeah, he's like almost an afterthought. Yeah, which is weird to me. I read an article that that he was basically saying he wasn't upset about the fact that he got demoted or something to that effect. But yeah, he's not. He is not getting the same playing time he was getting at the beginning of the season. Toxin seems to be the guy that's the benefactor of that.

He's getting more playing time. So, and he's a big guy. He's a guy that can go up and get it. So do you have a great matchup for him, like a corner that's big and tall and range that can that can you know, defend him? Now, you definitely don't don't have that guy, but um, you know you got some crafty guys, I mean Brown and Um, you know, Jordan lewis to me like he's just he's just a scrapper. I mean, he's just gonna keep fighting. And I think he's the best cornerback on the team right now. I'm

not just as a rookie. I think he is the best corner you know. He kind of reminds me of Just I don't know. Sometimes I see him out there, it just reminds me of him Mike Dinkins. I don't know why, because I don't know that I compare their games quite a bit, but just I don't know, it's just kind of the way he's like the way he looks out there. For some reason, it reminds me a little bit of Joring. He's been good and obviously has

a lot of potential. Yesterday I was breaking down someplace with Brian brought us and I noticed like there's a lot of different times where he's still unable to keep up with the guy he's covering, Like he creates a big separation and he's still trying to get you know, the speed of this game and trying to learn how to stay with the guy he's covering. So yes, he has a lot of good positive things and a good a lot of areas to develop and he'll be great at one point, but still a rookie and you can't

also rely on him. And they just didn't. They need to figure it out. They just get there. Well, you know, he didn't play a lot in training camp, you know, and we saw last year at all and play at all training camp just saying that's right, he didn't. I was thinking preseason games, but yeah, he didn't have he didn't practice, didn't do anything. So when you think about last year, Zig didn't do much, Collins didn't do much.

You know, they still came out and and maybe a slow start here and there, but but they played really well. I mean, and Jordan Lewis in the same same boat. It doesn't work for everyone. Thankfully, Dak did play a lot in the preseason because of that helped him so

different for different positions and all that. But I mean, I think we're starting to see some cases where even if you don't do much in training camp, if you're you know, if you're able to come in and do it, and maybe there's something to be said for the fact that Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan. I mean, these guys are kind of prepared to play, and so when they when they get thrown into Mile High for their first game, they're like, all right, this is cool, this is loud.

Reminds me of when I played at Ohio State that one time. Yeah, you know, doesn't scare me at all. Yeah, So the different I mean, obviously the talent levels different, but like I mean, yeah, but if you played at a major college program, you've you've seen it all. You've you've played in front of bigger crowds. Thing you get in the NFL, Yeah, you played, and that's you know,

I was talking about that. It's kind of unrelated. But you know, back in the day, you know, like people went to Nebraska because Nebraska was one of like eight or nine programs that was on TV on a regular basis. Everybody's on TV now, Yah, Tulane gets TV games, I mean everybody there's I mean, if you've played major college football, you've been on national TV several dozen times. You've had laid in front of sixty two, one hundred thousand people

several dozen times. If you had a major program you're playing on TV every week? Yeah, every week, not not really every game. Again, every every game in Division one is on TV, every game, every single every game. So Rice versus versus Texas San Antonio is on TV. I'm sure it takes time. I know it takes time to adjust to the speed and the increase in talent in the NFL. But in terms of like being scatitude because you're a rookie, yeah, like I don't. I don't see

that being a thing. All right, we're gonna take our final break. We'll come back. We're gonna get some questions. You guys call us numbers two one four eight seven two twenty one O two again two one four eight seven two twenty one O two and we'll also hit take questions on Twitter at Cowboys Break. This is the break.

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the funnest segment. I don't get to do it. Used to be the funnest segment here in funnest huh whatever, awesome. You get the point. So Dave, we're having it. There's a little spat. Nobody noticed. I'm not trying to be part of this, so I'm just gonna you're having some issues today. The Washington Offense by the way I just think they're The Redskins are eighth in total offense and sixth in passing offense. I already said that they're only eleventh and scoring offense, which again goes back to the

red Z zone. Yep, they average twenty three points per game, which honestly that it should be better if you have as many weapons as logging, cover baby clogging. I think that's your best bet. Yep. All right, so let's get some questions you guys. Call us to one four eight seven two twenty one h two. We'll first have a call from Marvin and Maryland. Marvin, what up we lost? I remember we have Dallas? All right, Dallas, I got hey guys, how are you doing? Hey? Miss Amber, how

are you doing to day? I'm at work on light duty and my Tommy Johns know what just they needed? Yes already, Um, Dave, you was saying the big nickel with Byron, with mister Jones. But the problem is he is not a tackling person. He's not physically able to

do that. And Washington will run the ball. Um. I consider myself a football know it all thanks to Dave and Brian from the Draft Show, and they are going to try to run the ball, pound the ball, and Bill Callahan did a tweet that he looks forward to seeing us again and m last show you saying about the last year contracts, and there's really no one else to think about, Um, David Irving, Anthony Hitchons, Bryce Butler, even Jonathan Cooper. Thanks guys who are have a good day,

and I look forward to hearing from your thinker. All right, thanks, I'll throw David Irving is You're absolutely right, he is coming up. He's technically in a contract year, but he is in a very specific position for he's as he was exclusive rights free agent. Basically, I'm not going to pretend to know the ins and outs of it, but he's in a situation where the Cowboys can keep him. If they want to keep he'll be restricted though, right right? He so they offer him a tender he was exclusive

rights this past year. Um, it'd be interesting. It's it's far easier to keep David Irving than your typical free agent. Put it that way, it's the same. It's very similar to the Ron Leary situation, but but the years ago. But the question will be what tender do they put on him? Right? Do they go first round tender, you know, I mean, let means you got to pay him. Is it first, second, and sixth or something like that, like first,

second in original? Yeah? And what's interesting he was drafted, right? No? Are you sure? I'm fairly sure. I thought he was drafted, because even if he wasn't drafted by your team, it is where he was drafted. Yeah. Still I thought it was a fifth rounder. But even if he's not, I don't think that's what you would want to lose David irv you're gonna go put a first or a second on him. Yeah, you probably put the second round tender on him, and just if somebody wants to sign him,

then you'll get a second round pick for him. What would you do first or second? David Irving was undrafted? Undrafted? Okay? Well then I mean then that that goes out and you don't you're not gonna do the you know, original one. It's gonna be first or second. I probably would. I need to look at the money figures again. But somebody, somebody might put a second rounder, you know, I mean,

what if that's what you need? What if you're like, you know what, we need to get a big defensive end, defensive tackle guy in this league, and we'll take him in the first two rounds. Go ahead and pay David Irving, and then you'll lose a second round pick. I don't know if I want to lose a second round pick for David Irving. The reason why I asked that question is, what do you want to say? That is because like looking at defensive ends, good defensive ends. We saw it

this last year. It's once you get to even the late first round, finding a really good defensive end, it's probably pretty hard, and one that I think already has gone through those learning periods. Right Like it took to Marcus Lawrence a little while to get there, it took Irving a while to get there. He was an undrafted guy, but it took him a while to get to the point where he was at least giving you, at least

giving you something. Not to say, he's great. I'm not saying that, but I just don't know if if I think I can replace his production, at least in the short term with a second round pick. And I hear exactly what you're saying, it's going to be an interesting conversation. But he's easier to keep if you want to keep him,

then you're typical. You don't have to. I mean, you're not sitting here worrying about if you're gonna need to pay him twenty million dollars not a franchise tag to Marcus Lawrence or or you know, yeah, exactly, we're forgetting another contract in this because he's not up yet. But you know that Zack Martin's going to be a body that they have to sign this year. Is this gonna be his fifth year option? You? Yeah, you go into

the fifth year. I just there's no way. There's no way that they play a football game in twenty eighteen without him having a contract. I Next training camp will help. Next training camp probably preferably sooner than that. Yeah, yeah, somebody somebody did email us about that, and yeah, I mean that's gonna be interesting with DeMarcus and Zach. Um gotta clear up. I mean, they gotta get some money. I would assume, like I don't. I don't assume there's

that much money sitting out there right now. They just sign those two. They need to sign those guys. But I would think before you really get into not maybe not both of them, but you want to figure some things out before you get into free agency next year, because you know how strong they've been in signing free agency these last two years. The thing with hey Shot, the thing with me is there probably there probably is enough money to pay them both, but they but extend them.

I don't know if you have enough money to tag DeMarcus and then sign Zach because that's a lump sum that because with the extension, basically you can extrapolate. Right, Yeah, you're gonna have to. I got you could give DeMarcus a two million dollars salary to start and keep your numbers low. Yeah. Well, as far as the Cappus, what are we thinking is the guaranteed money for DeMarcus Lawrence? I have no idea. I don't either, but I'm just

saying it got to be deep. I mean, if he ends the season where he is now, which is at the top of the league in sacks, it's going to be significant forty maybe something like that, because I'm just saying if it's in the if it's in the range of is this other than quarterback? Is this the most highly paid position in the league. Well, Well, the reason why I say this, the franchise tag is eight eighteen million.

So that's the one year guarantee. So if he's going to sign a three or four or five year deal, guarantees gonna have to be a lot more than that, you know, forties it's des deal was like what forty five guarantees? Yeah, And I think Olivier Vernon. Olivier Vernon is a great comparison, I think because he had similar Like he really only had one amazing year. But the thing with Olivier Vernon is that his whole resume I

think was better. I mean, he was productive most of the time he was in Miami and then he blew up, whereas DeMarcus has obviously had his struggles, but he's really blowing up in this contract year. And I'm sitting and that's the thing. Logic doesn't really apply because I'm like, well, he got suspended, he had these back injuries, blah blah blah,

like that should affect all of that. But like, if he hits the open market and somebody with a boatload of money wants to give it to him, it doesn't matter, and there will be somebody out there ready to give him that money. But I will say this, Nick, and I think this goes back to what you were saying about Dez Bryan. That twelve million he's due next year. I don't think it's feasible the Cowboys would cut him. I do think, and I know you guys said you

didn't want to see it happen. I do think it's a legitimate thing to consider that they will try to extend him so that that twelve million now becomes a lot more palatable. He'll still get his money, but they'll just extend him out so that they can just cut the amount that'll be on the side. I wouldn't mind.

I wouldn't mind extending him. What I wouldn't want to do is restructure that deal, which is what they love to do, which bumps you down in the coming year and then bumps you up in the years after that, because that just makes the deal less palatable. But if they extend him now, they extend the number of years, they can extrapolate some of that money on right, and that it gives you the ability to lower it without

necessarily killing yourself down the road. You just basically say, we gotta we'll have him on our team for longer, or at least we'll be doing He'll be doing money for longer than needs to do money. Right now, That's that's not as easy of a decision as you would think. Because they need to get better at the wide receiver spot. We know that, and not just with that, just that you just need to get better. But des is so valuable on the team, you know, just for other reasons,

just because of the energy that he brings. Just that's the reason why I don't think he yeah, he's he's he's a He's one of the faces of the French So you know, I'm not saying that. I just think that they'll have a tough decision to make. They're gonna need to look at it. I don't think you cut a salary and lower it. It'll it'll be interesting to see what happens. But they need to get better there. But I let me say one more thing about David Irving.

If you go back and look at the last few years, guys that are coming up to be restricted free agents, don't be surprised if the Cowboys don't try to sign him before this, before he gets to that point three year deal. You know, he's about to blow up. And so I think they might look at it that way. Go, let's just get see if we can get a three or four year deal, you know, and because he can't go anywhere anyways, so so you have a little bit

of leverage right now. Yeah, all I'm saying is before the season ends, I wouldn't be surprised if David Irving signs an extension. And then the caller's point, I know Hitchins is out there, that's behind DeMarcus. He's probably your biggest true free agent heading in twenty eighteen. Cooper and Bryce. I'm not going to worry about that just yet. I mean, if it happens to come back around, then it comes back around. But we just we don't even know what type of body of work they're going to have put

together by the end of the season. But Bryce signed for basically veteran minimum last spring, and I don't know that he's done enough yet to where I'm draft pastically altering what I want to do there. Would you be willing to pay Cooper not big money, but pay him decent money. Let's assume that they play well the rest of the season and this offensive line starts to gel

around him being a part of that mix. Are you willing to maybe go in and do that, or you just look at that and say, hey, that's a position. I'd look at the draft next year and try to get myself a young guard, throw him in there for cheap that I would much rather do that. But you know, no, I'm just it's like I kind of kind of paint myself in a corner there because I've said all along

I thought they should have resigned Ron Leary. If it gets to the situation again, you know, on one hand, you could say, yeah, don't don't let that happen again. Sign Cooper. Or you could say, well, it'll just happen again. Just find the next Leary, find the next Cooper. Yeah, that kind and you'll have to go through that growing pain, to those growing pains. But hey, if it's okay, or you are really good at drafting people and you find a guy who's a badass right away, yeah, but are

you gonna do that later? Because you're not gonna use a first round pick on him, right you got too many other places where you gotta go. I have confidence that, like where are you picking? Though it's hard, I mean, it's hard to determine that. But I'm just saying, if you're sitting in. Let's say the steam turns around, gets into the playoffs and they're picking early twenties, early twenties, and you've got a chance to get one of the

best guards. I mean, Zack Martin is going to be a twelve year pro bowler called proud and he went sixteenth. Would you go another first rounder though, like we just finished talking about other areas of this team, if he's the best value yers, yeah, I have a high amount of confidence that a guard that's talented enough to be a top one hundred pick would be great on this line between Tyrn Smith and Travis Fred Yeah, so it

didn't have to be a third rounder. Yeah, Chads Green was picked ninety whatever, and I think we can all agree it's more his health than his talent that holds him back. That's also why you're down in the third round is because it's not so much about the talent, it's about the durability. Right trade Turner from LSU is the guy they would have drafted if they hadn't trade up for DeMarcus Lawrence, and he is. He's great. He's a Pro Bowl caliber guard. The Panthers got him at

like seventy something. I already got the Cowboys first round pick. I mean, there's it's not a guard either, Glad, it's a fast wide receiver. Tell him, tell him who it is. Can't tell him who's going to be playing for the Cowboys next year. And Christian kirk there's no doubt. Yeah, yeah, that's RMANI Watts. Hopefully that's a good one too. Yeah, safety, I'd take him, Okay, I'd take Christian Kirk. Yeah, Christian kirk Man that guy overdes though. No no, no, no, no,

no no not. I get crazy. You'd have to take him in the first round. I know. But he doesn't have to be don't you know we don't have to play him right Overdaz right now. I'm just fans are gonna riot if they draft the receiver in the first round. Why why? I don't think so, because it's not a badass playmaker. Just just show, just show all the games at the stadium that he's played against Arkansas and just say, hey, this is what the guy's done at at and T Stadium.

Kickoff return here, eighty three yards here? Yeah. How about how about a safety or a cornerback or a pass rusher. I'll take that safety. Yeah, I'll take that safety. All right, let's take We appreciate you guys. Join us. We're back tomorrow nine thirty am. We'll get into the Washington Redskins defense versus the Cowboys offense. Until then. For Nick Eatman, Dave hellmant amber Garcia, I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been

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