Cowboys Break: Scouting The Eagles Defense

of The Break. We're locking the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. I've got a lot to get into today. We're gonna talk a little bit about Zeke Elliott and maybe the last time we have to talk about Zeke for a while. We'll catch you up on what's latest there. We'll also get into some injuries talk and some players at miss practice yesterday and the possibilities of them missing the game this week. Episode seventy seven. Huh is that fitting you know? Oh? Yeah? Yeah, good level? Yeah, I'm

on year level now. Okay, And then we're gonna talk about the Philadelphia Philadelphia Eagle defense. Dave, I'm sure you have your scouttering report. Ready, Nick and Amber will catch you guys up on what they think are the most interesting things about this defense. Uh. And so we got a lot that we want to get into. Let's go

ahead and jump right in and let's talk about Ezekiel Elliot. First. Um, yesterday we find out that he has decided to forego his appeal and has decided he's going to accept the the the the suspension, the sixth game to full six game suspension. Um it. I guess the question to you guys, I guess there's two parts of this question. One is do you think it's the right decision? And number two, do you think that maybe he should have done this

back at the beginning of the season. Is it that simple to be able to say that for another person? What do you guys think? I don't know what's thinking. He hasn't had a press conference, so I don't know what he would what's the reasoning there? But it doesn't matter what he should have done because he didn't. I mean it's easy to say that to say, oh man, but who cares me? Six games and six games? Right? I mean, where would they be if he didn't play this first six games? So It's not like it's like,

look what he did. I mean, they would have been in the same boat right now. They would have been one in five or two and four after six games. I think if he would have played those So, I mean, I don't think it really matters. He did what he needed to do, he was fighting for it. But why he dropped it now, I'm not really sure. I don't know who is sure about that. You could speculate. I mean, yeah, I guess you're right. I can't say with a certainty, but I it seared like he just, well, he's not

gonna win. Like, I don't think he has had a legitimate shot of winning this thing. And even if he did, there's always the chance that it could be a Tom Brady situation where you win in twenty seventeen and then it's reinstated next year and now you really spent two years dealing with this, or it could even be expedited and if the Cowboys find the way into the playoffs,

you talk about him missing playoff games. So given the odds against him and what it could mean going down the line, I think he's just like, let's just you know,

we did what we could. Let's call it a day and just get this thing behind us, and they can, I mean, they can still pursue this in court, right whether or not they're pursuing, Well, it sounds like he dropped the appeal, in which case it sounds like he's dropped his whatever case he's had, he's dropped it at this point, and so there really is no more court case at this point. The way I understand it, I yeah, I can still sue them. That's that's what he could

pick up another case and basically sue that. That's what I meant, like, you can still sue the league without it being a matter of missing games and injunctions and all that stuff. So I guess that remains to be seen. Probably depends on if he wants to pay the legal fees, and that's probably part of it too. In all honesty, I mean, this is I can't even imagine how much money this is gonna call and just clear that up.

I know that there have been some people who hit me up on Twitter and like, no, the NFLPA is paying for that. Nick. I know you tell me you've talked to some people around the building, and I think what I think what happened is is like, yes, they will appoint you a lawyer. NFLPA appoints a lawyer to you and attorneys for all this. But to handle a case like this, you know, you've got a lawyer up and I think what he's because he's got more than one and so he's having he's having to pay for

on top of that. You know, yeah, they'll give you the guy down the street back kind of like having a public defender or getting somebody. Ye have the right to an attorney. But yeah, I want Kessler. I mean he didn't want any NFLPA is like a little bit outside the budget. Yeah, he didn't want Jim Adler, the Texas hammer here. What's wrong with Jim Adler? I don't know. But no, I killed Jim Adler. Maybe he's a Cowboys fan.

I want to I'm sorry, Jim. No. I want to talk about that though, because that's you know, that's an argument that we've been having back and forth this whole time, and I you know, I firmly believe that this thing didn't go Zeke's way. He gave it a hell of an effort. That doesn't make him wrong for doing it. I agree, And we don't have to go over the

whole thing over again. We've talked about I mean, this is your reputation on the line, this is your your livelihood at your legacy, whatever you want to call it. And calling this thing off is not an admission of guilt, just like his just like his statement said, I mean, you can you can maintain your innocence and still see the writing on the wall that really all you're probably gonna do is hurt yourself and the organization going forward. I don't think it's an admission of guilt. I don't

think that means it was wrong to try. You just sometimes you lose in life, and that's what this is. I mean. And the other thing to consider here here is and again we're speculating here, so I want to be clear, this is speculation, but this could have been a situation where, you know, Zeke is like I want to get away. You know, it's it's been publicized that he left the country. Maybe he's like, look, I want to get away and I just want to clear my mind. I just want to kind of not think about all

the extra drama of what all is going on. And if this is still going on, he's still going to have to be having conversations with his attorneys. He's still gonna have to be so he can't really get away. He can get away, but he still has to have those phone calls and those conversations and strategy sessions and whatever else goes into it when you're fighting a big

legal battle like this. So maybe he just said, Look, by the time this would all be done, I'm gonna have served most of the suspension anyway, So why spend that time in court, in strategy sessions and talking to attorneys. I just want to get away from this, clear my head, allow myself to refocus, and maybe, just you know, maybe just maybe I can come out of this, you know, a little better off than I am right now. And I think that's a noble thing too. You're right, Dave.

David doesn't say that he's admitting that he's guilty, but he fought as much as he could, and I think it got to a point where it's like he can't win this in a reasonable right. Agree. I mean, you could fight this for the rest of your life, probably, but like I said, at some point, you can see the writing on the wall. And for the third time, I don't I don't think that means it was wrong to try. But I'm sure somebody disagrees because hindsight's always

twenty twenty. Yeah, But I mean the point is is that, Okay, what if he would have what if he didn't fight this. It's not like he's still not going to get the six games. I'm looking at the schedule right now. I mean, what would it have been. I mean, I don't know if they beat the Giants in the first game without him. You know, you can say all you want to about the Giants not being very good right now or being awful, but they weren't awful really in that game. So, I

mean only scored three points. Her offense was pretty bad. Yeah, their offense was bad, but the Cowboys weren't very good. I mean the Cowboys, it's so so I don't know if they could have won that game. I don't think they beat the Cardinals either, So I mean, who knows what happens without him? And so, But if that's the case, and I'm not meaning to kind of push this conversation aside, but if you don't think they would have won the game against the Giants or the Cardinals, I'm not sure.

I mean, okay, but but but if that's the case, then you certainly don't think they're gonna beat the Eagles without at him, or the Redskins again without him, or like name any one of these games they got again done until he can. Are we going there now? No? I'm just asking, yeah, is that what you're saying is that you just don't think they have as much of a cancer in these games without think My point is is that should you know? And the next show will

will definitely hit this. You should have done this earlier? Why? Like? Why why earlier? What does that really do? What does that change? And how much are you benefiting from that? I don't know. I mean, what would have done just because you don't want to deal with it now and you wanted to just get it out of the way. I mean, he had to do what he had to do, right, Yeah, No,

And I think we all agree. I think we all agree that, first of all, it's not any of our business to say what this man should do about his life and his reputation. But if he chooses to do that, he has every right to do it, and he should have done it because that's his right to be able to fight that in court if he has that opportunity and that that part's way more important. But the other part of that is, yeah, like who on earth knows where they'd be there nine games if he could sat

out through the first six weeks. I don't know, but you might be sitting where the Giants are. I doubt it would be that bad, But I don't know for sure that you'd be above five hundred right now. Yeah, especially the way he was playing like the I mean, yeah,

you get my point, Yeah, I got you. No, not only that, not only do is it probably a two and four, but they go to Washington and they probably don't win that game because as great as he was in that game, there's no way he's just gonna come right in being rusty for being out for seven weeks and come in there and help you, I mean help you to that. And remember, in training camp he doesn't do a whole lot of work, So I mean, I shouldn't say in training camp during preseason he doesn't do

a whole lot of work. So it's who I think we kind of touched on this yesterday, like people refuse to accept that in in the sports world, like there always has to be a reason why what you did was wrong. Like, sometimes you can do the right thing for the right reasons and it doesn't work out for you, Like that's life. Then you don't always have to go back and penn blame on something that like just explains it, like here's why this was a mistake, Here's where they

went wrong. Like sometimes stuff just doesn't go your way. Wow, I'm gonna sound like Jason Garrett, like how you respond to that adversity is what really counts. So life lessons with David Hill, I just cut that whole little segment and just make that a make that a life lessons with David Helman. That was awesome. Deep thoughts with Dave. All right, let's get into the injury talk. There were quite a few guys that miss practice yesterday. Here are

the guys that did not practice. Dan Bailey with a groin injury, Does Bryan with a knee injury, Jeff Heath in the concussion protocol, Sean Lee with a hamstring injury, and Tyren Smith with back and groin problems. What are we hearing right now about those guys? And really the guy one account of zero in a little bit is Dan Bailey. Is it starting to get to a point where you can at least start asking a question, is it possible he plays this week or is it still

a few weeks off here? I think he's still Jason Garrett said on Monday when he did his radio interview like first thing in the morning, that it's probably still a no go for Dan. That's I mean, it's a groin strain. We're talking about Tyrn maybe missing his second consecutive game with a groin strain. Dan Bailey's everything is on those you know, those muscles. So what would this be now he's been out how many games? Now? You got hurt Washan Francisco, so Washington. Dent's been there for

three Okay, this will be Nugent's fourth game. Yeah, And Steven said, I guess when it first happened. He said four weeks was kind of what think? Yeah, and they said Thanksgiving? So I think that, you know, realistically, he could play against the Red against the Chargers and Thanksgiving, but made redskins probably makes more sense. Yeah, circle, Yeah, I'm circling November or December first, whatever that it is yet. Yeah,

thank you. Okay, what are we hearing about Jeff Heath and what are the contingencies in the event that Jeff Heath doesn't play, so the party music for the fans. I thought I thought about that yesterday because concussions are always I mean, you can't really predict him. I mean, some guys play the next week. Some guys missed twelve, Like some guys plays play with less than a week. Yeah,

Philip rivers Well, Ron Leary, Philip rivers Um. Jeff came out to practice yesterday like he was just in sweats. But I mean I was like, well, you're outside watching I sit in a dark room, right, good thing, that seems good, But you know you just like you kind of operate on intuition. I sort of get the feeling, maybe he doesn't play this week and then que up the X man. I mean, I think he's probably the first guy to get a crack at it. Now. They

like to they like to roadsate guys. It's a safety position. Does that mean Cheeto's back and Cheetos now the third safety or I can't imagine more frazier or what are we thinking if Jeff's If Jeff sits, I can't imagine that Cheeto will too. Like he's fully healthy. He was a healthy scratch last week, So I can't imagine that they sit him if if he's healthy and if jeff can't go, So I don't I don't think you would play. I'm in the starting lineup after a month of staying out.

But I'm sure they'll find something for him to do. Hey, I'm not gonna be convinced that he's back until I hear in the press trying to be who don't know he's trying to when he when he says that, then I'm like, you know what, I think that's Cheeto, Cheetos playing. He's playing. Until then, do I hear anything about chay to buy now? I would imagine it doesn't. It doesn't. There's a lot of things that don't make sense about that.

If Jeffrey Heath is out, I would imagine Xavier Woods gets the nod and him and Cavan Frasier kind of tag team and Cheeto will be there somewhere, maybe like in Dime or Nickel. That's just my guess. Cheetos gonna play this weekend. I think you're right Amber for sure. All right, you've gone knit. Yeah, I've done my analysis in the locker room. Got some behind the scenes. Yeah, cool, cool, good. You heard it here first, Cheeto Bay or Chittaby, however

you want to name him. We'll be playing this weekend. All right, let's move on one other thing. I want to hit up the tight end position. Rico Gathers is back to participating with the team, according to what Jason Garrett said in an earlier press conference this week. How much is he participating and how close is he now to getting back to possibly moving off of IR and

maybe back onto the roster. I don't know, man, I don't know what's the I really don't know the rule on that of when he can do some things and what's the window of when they have to say, all right, when they put you back at practice, you have, I believe, three weeks to look at him and evaluate whether you're going to move him to the fifty three. Has he

started practicing, Yeah, he's just attending some meetings. That meetings, Like Garrett said, he'd be out there on the field if he I mean, you know, when we go out there, you're looking for jerseys like like taking attendance, like okay, seven seven's not here, fifties not here, you know, and he wasn't wearing a jersey if he was out there

like he's not. He's not practicing. He might be out there with the team, but he's not doing football stuff, which I just I've never I've never been around a situation like this in the time I've been doing this. I don't I don't know what to expect. I don't know when. And again, it's a concussion, so like I feel weird, and I don't want to speculate about his hell and be like, well, it's been X amount of weeks, he certainly can be doing something like that seems logical.

I've never heard, you know, I brought this up back when it first happened, like Sidney Crosby dealt with concussion stuff for like months a couple of years ago, So like, I know it can happen, but it's typically an injury that takes a week or maybe two or three weeks to heal. So I don't know what to expect, and I'm just gonna let them figure it out. And when I see him out there in a helmet and a jersey, that's when I'll I'll write it down. I'll tweet that out for y'all as soon as I see it. Yeah,

But that hasn't happened yet. All right, let's go ahead and do this. Let's take our final break. I'm sorry, our first break, our first break. When we come back from that break, we're going to dive into Cowboys versus Eagles. Jump into the Philadelphia Eagles defense. Get a scout and report. Tell you, guys a few things that stand out about this defense. We'll do that when you come right back.

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Back to the Break, Welcome back. We're in the second segment of the Break live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're talking Cowboys versus Eagles. Dave you ready for your scoutter report on the Eagles defense. Sure, let's go M D line, D line, D line. That's really that's where this thing starts. Line to line to line. It's it's pretty impressive and when you watch them, it looks really impressive. So Vinny Curry, Timmy jern again good, good,

Fletcher Cox good, Brandon Graham good. And then the second like I said this, I think I said this earlier in the week. The Cowboys rotate their D lineman. The Eagles do it too, but like better, like they got what wait because they're better players? Oh okay, get they're their second Their second string is Derek Barnett, fourteenth overall pick in the draft, bo Allen, veteran defensive tackle. The one week link is probably Destiny Vaio vyo second year

guy that they guy named Destiny is his name is Destiny? Yes? And then Chris Long, who you know the Cowboys are like, no, we don't need him. Well, he helped the Pats win a Super Bowl. And now he's playing pretty well for Philly. So yeah, that's eight guys, and like they rotate him like I was charting it. You know, I watched two Philly games. I'm charting it, like every five to six plays, they like rotate, get the fresh guys in there, and

the results are pretty similar. I mean, obviously your first strings better. But so I actually broke this down. This is seriously impressive right here. Vinny Curry has played in seventy seven career games, Timmy Joern again fifty two, Cox eighty seven, Graham one hundred and five, Alan fifty seven, Long one thirty nine. And then, like I said, your two young guys are Vaio who's played in twenty career games, and then Barnett who's only played in nine. But he's

the fourteenth overall pick. So experience, experience, experience, and then the two exceptions, but not too old. That's the key part. Oh yeah, no, they're right in the prime area. All of these guys joined the league between twenty ten and twenty fourteen, with the exception of Barnett and Bio, Like they're right in the prime of their career. Two of them. I mean, Fletcher Cox is like an all Pro caliber guy.

Jernegan just signed a pretty nice extension with them, And that's really that's I mean, all right, well, let's get into it. That's the strength of their defense. Their first against the run in a sickening to a sickening degree. They're allowing sixty six yards per game. Like, this ain't the week for Alfred to get on this second, I'm worried about that, Like, this is not the week for a running game that doesn't have Ezekiel Elliott to get

on track. I know, like the personnel is totally different, I know that, but it just reminds me of the twenty fourteen Thanksgiving game against Philly where Logan and Cox just hawked smack all week and everybody's like, all right, got de Marco, got Martin, and Fred, like we'll see and the Eagles kicked there. They were right, they kicked there. But so their tenth overall in defense, first against the run, tenth and scoring nineteen point nine yards per game. Oh points, yeah, sorry,

nineteen points basically twenty points per game. They are not that great against the pass. They're giving up two hundred and forty nine yards per game. They are twenty sixth against the past. Their secondary, they signed Rodney McLeod to a big time deal. Malcolm Jenkins is he's like their intellectual leader. Guy Fletcher Cox is probably like the emotional leader. Malcolm Jenkins is like the smart guy who probably gets everybody where they're supposed to be. They're corners. Jalen Mills

seventh round pick out of LSU. He's playing well enough to start. I don't look at him as like a lockdown guy by any means. Seventh round. He should have been drafted way high, like he had some baggage there. I still like, I thought he was like a third or fourth round pick, and he fell all the way to the seventh round, which was weird. Um. Then they got Ronald Darby from the Bills in the offseason. He's

played in one game. He got hurt in the season opener, I think he's gonna play this game, which go figure, but he's been out for two months, So do with that what you will. But you can pass against these guys, even I mean brock Osweiler for all of his warts, like he had some success. I know that they lost fifty one to whatever that was twenty four, but that's that's the thing, though, don't have to cut you off.

That's the thing about those passing yards. I think. I think the Patriots are last in the defense, and you know, just a lot of times because of the way the game is, they're not running it, so they just throw throw. They're not really scared. They're not caring too much. Before you know, the guy's three hundred yard passing game, you know, they could be a hollow stat. It can be, and you have to look at that. Like obviously Denver got crushed, But I went back. I watched some they played Monday

night against the Redskins. I think most of us probably watched that because it was a Monday night game. And then Philip Rivers, Granted, you know he's a Hall of Famer, but he threw for three forty on them in a game that was settled at the gun. So I mean you they give up passing here, and Kirk Cousins was moving it. He threw for three oh eight I think. And the problem is, first of all, pass all you won if you're one dimensional. I you know, I'd rather be able to run the ball. I don't want to

throw for three hundred and fifty yards. And then with all that passing, they're gonna get sacks and that's probably going to increase their ability to get takeaways. So that's what I worry about. But really, and honestly, you know they're linebackers, don't even worry. I mean, Michael Kendricks is a talented guy, but he's been up and down. And then you're looking at Joe Walker, Nigel Bradham and Naj Good as their other guy. Because Jordan Hicks towards Achilles,

he's out for the years. So their linebacker plays all right. But really, like everything they do, I don't even want to say their front four, like those eight guys that make up their front, like, I think all of their success rides on that, which fortunately for the Cowboys, they have a really good offensive line. If Tyron Smith's playing, and you know, that's kind of up in the air right now. But I mean I think if they're going to have success against these guys, he needs to be

in there. When you talk about those yards, Nick and the number of points, I think that's what I kind of look at and say, maybe I kind of ride with you a little bit more on those yards being somewhat hollow, not completely hollow, but somewhat hollow because they're only given up twenty points a game, which means that even though they're given up a ton of yards, it isn't equating to the number of points that they're allowing.

You would think the points would be higher giving up you know, it's a lot like the Cowboys last year, Like I mean, well when you right, And I think that was also because the Cowboys would get out to that early league lead and teams had to keep throwing the ball in order to try to catch up. Well, when we look at some of these run defense stats, you're gonna be like, well, that's the only thing you can do is throw the ball. So you want to tell me I can do it somehow? Right? And look good?

They're running the book. I mean, they're twenty six against the pass, which is not good, and yet they're still tenth overall in defense. That's how good they are against the run, which even if even if the passing gains are there, that's not how the Cowboys win games. So do with that what you will. I much prefer to be balanced then just bomb away. But all right, Nick Amber, give me your your one thing that stands out about

this defense. We'll start with you Amber. Well, for me, I mean it has to be sticking with the whole run defense. They're really really good. And again we know that the Cowboys strongest point area would be rushing, but they probably won't be as successful without seat, or they're not going to be successful without seat. End of story. Here's my point to what I kind of mentioned this yesterday.

I'm worried about them being able to score points. The Cowboys being able to score point The only point that they score was Dak rushing the ball, and that's the only thing. They only were able to score seven points. And in the passing game, we know that's not necessarily

Dak's strongest area. He can make those throws, but again, if you don't have Tyrn Smith in there to buy him some time to figure out where to throw that ball or to give him enough time to kind of run out, get out of the pocket and figure out where he's going. I mean, they're screwed if that happens. So I'm concerned. I've heard several people around the building. I was talking to several guys yesterday and not everyone. A lot of people seem to be pretty confident about

the Cowboys winning this game. And I certainly don't know how how can you even feel confident? I mean, I know that. And one of the things we were kind of talking about yesterday is like, yeah, sure the Eagles are up for a loss, like they have to lose a game at some point. Yeah, it's coming, might be come in, But I don't know how you lose a game against this team with what the Cowboys have right now.

All right, it's a good point, you know, Like you said, this is reminds you of the twenty fourteen game against the Eagles and the Thanksgiving And if it does, then that's good for the Cowboys because if I remember that game, the Cowboys were rolling, Philly was struggling Sanchez I believe was the quarterback. It's like, all right, this is they don't have it, and they dominated them. So yeah, and so you know it happened. Especially you know games like this,

you're expecting, Oh they have nobody heard. They're coming off of buy and the count. You know, they're one seven in a row, and that's usually when things turn around. But I'll say this about the run defense a little bit more specific. The demoralizing part for the Cowboys is that the Eagles are number one on third and one and fourth and one, so if it gets a short yarded situation, they're the best that They're only allowing thirty three percent of those plays, whether it be third and

one or fourth and one, they're stopping that. Okay, well it's hard to run when it gets like that. Now, how about just regular runs they only get. They only have sixteen rushes of ten yards or more on them. That's less than two a game. You just think about having Zeke in the lineup, and think even even in the game the other day, I mean Alfred Morris had three, he had he had an eleven, he had a twenty, he had another eleven. So I mean you would think

Zeke's gonna get four or five six of those. They're only allowing less than two. They've only had sixteen and nine games this year of less ten or more and then when it gets to twenty or more only three times, so short yards they're stopping that. Breaking off these long runs, they're stopping that. So, as Zamber said, it's gonna have to be dack and then throwing the football, and that is just going to be a huge challenge for them.

I will say, if you want, if you want a little more positive spin, I think this is a rare instance where maybe even going all the way back to the Rams like this is the first time where I think the Eagles interior rushers are better than their edge rushers.

So I mean, like Vinny Curry and Brandon Graham are good players, don't get me wrong, but there isn't like a von Miller on this team, and the strength of your line is on the interior as well, I would think so Cooper not as much as Frederick and Martin, but like those three, especially if Tyrant's out. I like those three going against Cox and Joern again a little bit more than the thought of Chad's Green trying to

go against somebody. But Vinny Curry, Benny Curry is really good and he'll if Adrian Claymore can get six secks against Chads Green. I was I don't think with viny Curry is capable, they should not allow that opt I know, I know, I know, I'm just saying, yeah, I'm I think the Eagles interior guys are better, is what I'm saying. But they're all they're all pretty good. I think. You know, we've obviously without Zeke, it's going to be a challenge. But you know, we didn't really talk about all of

the injuries, did we. I mean, des did not practice and I don't I don't know the status of that yet, but we'll see what he does today. I mean, it could just be a Wednesday thing, but if he's limited, you know, that certainly changes a lot of things on this offense. Again, and I you know, obviously, when we start talking about injuries, I kind of looked at that one and thought, Okay, this is just one of those

situations where it's Wednesday. This is the same. This is not, from my knowledge, a different injury than what he had last week. This is the same injury. He played with it. And so my assumption is unless there was a setback, which I didn't, I haven't heard that. I don't know if you have, But then my assumption would be, hey, let's just give him a little bit of time here to kind of get reading with me. Got a lot

of games. You got three games here in this next in this next two and a half week period, right, so give him a day off. Let's see if we can ease him back in this week. But we're trying to save his body and let him kind of work through this injury as well. That's at least how I

take it. Now, if we get to Friday and he still has in practice, now I think there's reason for concern, right, I think, Well, I feel like we've done a pretty good job of explaining that, Like, if you're an all pro, I can't gauge what you're going to do based on Wednesday, Like it means basically nothing to me. But if he doesn't play, how does that really change a lot of things? Well, Terrence Williams is now your lead receiver, and he doesn't

really handle that very well. Bryce Butler says he's the leaden. Yeah, he says, he goes from the six options to the first option. Cool, I mean just leap, I mean that's just the pole vault, just leap frog everybody. I don't like it. Well, somebody has to, I mean, but I'm not saying that, you know, I'm not saying, oh, it

doesn't change anything. I'm just going based on you know, everything that we've been looking at seeing on Twitter and people's response to how Dez has been this season so far and the way he's performed and not really being able to bring much to the offense. So that's why I was like, Okay, just kind of I think he I still think he is a really, really good receiver.

I just don't think that teams are as scared of him as we think that they should have been, or maybe his contracts suggest that they he should be, or whatever you want to say. I just don't think there's there's a lot of corners and defenses that are just that afraid. Now, he could still make plays, but and he's still way better than the other guys. So not having him, there's just one less weapon and you can

you can do things differently. I think it just puts more pressure on deck in the running game because there's not really a lot of guys that you have to just double him and watch for him and not the one thing Dez has been able to do this year, and it hadn't been great for a year for him. I think everybody knows that. But he's been good at the I mean he's he's always been a beast at the run after the catch. So'll get him the easy passes.

He'll turn that into more than he should. I've almost forgot about the Cardinals touchdown where he carried like four guys into the end zone. Like he can still do those types of things, he has not shown an ability to make game breaking plays or really take over a

defense a game like that. What I was gonna say is against the secondary like this, I think there would be opportunities for him, especially like I said, even if he's not winning these fifty fifty balls, get him moving, get him moving across the field, give him a slant, give him a screen, and against the secondary that ranked twenty six against the pass, he might be able to do something. So I do think it would change what

they want to do absolutely. I think early part of the season it seemed as though the Cowboys were targeting him quite a bit more. It wasn't too great success. They were missing a lot of those passes. But do you think that going to your point, do you think that this is a week where maybe they should target him a little bit more, but target him on different

kinds of routes rather than those fifty fifty balls. Really, maybe target him more across the middle, target him more in the slant routes than big routes, those kinds they try. The first game that, I mean, the last game, in the first half, it was like I thought he was going to have ten or twelve, but it didn't seem like they did then second half though, right, oh well, they didn't do anything and has a field. I get it.

They couldn't. They couldn't have time to do anything. That's been the game plan since at least since the buy, if not before that. I mean, I'm sure I'm forgetting something. But the deep the fifty fifty balls, they haven't been as frequent as they write the first three or four weeks. And yeah, it's a lot of slants, it's a lot of crossing routes and things like that, and shallow posts stuff like that. I mean, he had like eleven targets in that game though, didn't he I mean, they're still

targeting him a lot. It has not been working well, I mean to be I mean it has to some degree, like he'll get his balls, but it's not. It's just it hasn't worked from standpoint that he's having really big impacting It just hasn't been consistent and it hasn't been explosive. That's what do you think? I mean, can you can you put your finger on what maybe is the reason? No? I mean, well, I mean the chemistry I hate that word,

but the connection with Dak hasn't been there. I don't think whether it's I mean Dak missing on longer throws or Daz dropping passes. I mean, he's had his fair share of those accuracy and then just the natural inclination that w and they run first and two they try to spread the ball around and do their best not to force it. I think it's probably a combination of all those things. But for the most part, No, I don't have a great answer for why. No. I think

that this is. You know you think about great receiver quarterback combat. Uh, you know combinations, um, a guy like a Marvin Harrison and a Peyton Manning or even maybe you know Matt Ryan and Julio Jones, guys that worked together and for a long time program. Brown. Yeah, yeah, Um, you've got a combination of a great passer and great route runners, and you don't have either one of those with the Cowboys, with with this situation, with all three of those things I just mentioned, you don't have a

lot of time. But they haven't worked together for a long period of time. There's still this is still their second year. Dez is not a great route runner and and uh, and he doesn't have the greatest hands you know of those really tough low ball catches, and DAC's not the most accurate passer of all time. He's getting there and he's pretty good. It can stand in the point of year and a half, right, But that's not his strong suitors, just putting the ball from here to there,

and it's not dest you know, strong point either. So that's why you don't see this unbelievable connection between the two. That's not they're great things, but they could still do great things in other ways. And it'll get there eventually if they if they can work you know together for a long time. I don't know if they will, though.

I think that's a good point to make though, because I do think a lot of times people want to want to compare it to Romo, And the thing that they forget is that was you're what you're comparing to his Romo. Towards the end of his career where he I mean, there was a I don't remember what year it was, but it seemed like there was a year when it all seemed to finally click for him and he just the way he went out there, he understood everything that was going on. He mastered that offense fourteen

and it was like it was running for right. Yeah. But that year though like the kinds of passy he wasn't making the kinds of throws, was like, man, what was it? Why do you do that? You know? Is it kind of just felt like he had a firm grasp of everything. But how many years was that in? And I think people try to compare sometimes because of Dak's early success. They want to compare him two quarterbacks that have been doing this for a much longer period of time. And he's just got to get there. He's

got to keep developing that. That doesn't mean he's gonna get there. That means he has to keep working at it. And if he does keep working at I think he will get there. Yeah, I mean Dak is a Dak. I would say he's about as amazing as you can expect a second year guy to be. Right, he's awesome. I Am not trying to take anything away from him, but he's not He's not on that level yet, and it's find me. Find me the quarterback who was in their second season as a starter, watched the trajectory of

a career like Russell. I mean, no, he's got he's got his own things, but he's playing pretty good. But I think you can look at the trajectory of a guy like Russell Wilson and how when he started off he wasn't the most accurate guy. They didn't really ask him to do as much. They were running the ball a lot. But now that offense run completely by his

arm and they have no real running game. Their offensive line seems to be shaky at best, but he still kind of makes that thing goes and makes these miraculous plays. It gets them wins, and so they don't look anything like they did, right. Yeah, And I mean, if Dak keeps at it, I expect the same trajectory from him, like he will be there one day. Right, He's not there right now? All right, let's take our final break.

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what up? How's it going? Guys? How are you? That's a quick question about jael Smith? And where do you think that they're going to position him at the micro sam and if not, who's going to go in that place? And now let's get up all right, thank you? I think well Anthony Hitchins is going to play will if Sean Lee can't. He said as much himself. And then I think you're probably looking at Justin Durant as your primary Mike and Jalen Smith will come in. Hopefully, like

I said, I think I said that yesterday. Hopefully they limit his snap count the way that they had been tried to ask Jason Garrett about that, and he didn't, like, he didn't really answer it. Why would he? But I don't think they want Jalen playing fifty sixty snaps and for good reason. And I'm looking at Durant as the guy that's going to help with that. I wrote a story about that last night. Actually, if you want to go read it, feel free to read it. Dallas Cows

dot com teach you a lot of stuff. Okay, that's a good question from Twitter. Do you guys think that Ronald Leary was part of the reason why Chas Green did okay in the four games last year? I don't think you can discount it and say it wasn't. I don't think you can discount it. No, I mean, yeah, Ronald Leary was a beast. I don't think you can discount it. But like, it wasn't like the guard What did the guard play have to do with Adrian Clayborne

just swimming right around him? Like just yeah, like I said, like he wasn't. They weren't running games and stunts and coming inside and outside and like passing blockers off, like he just ran right around him six times. So let me ask you twelve times. Yeah, but when I got there a couple six times, I should say it, shouldn't say a couple times. But but let me ask you this. Could it have been a situation too where with a Ronald Leary. Leary says, look, dude, just don't let him

get to the outside. I got you. I'll take care of the inside. Like I don't know, I'm I'm I'm just throwing out playing it could be a little bit wider. Yeah, so so don't as long. Just make sure you get out there wide enough to get him on the outside if he makes a move to come back to the inside. I got you. Don't worry about that. I'm just asking, I think ron Leary, I mean, I've been on here to say that I would have kept him or tried

even harder to keep him. But I think ron Leary's play was more of a product of being in between Frederick and Tyrn more than just how great he is. Wow, that first time I've heard you say that. Well, I mean he's good and all of them are good together, you know, And I think that that's why Cooper has played better with those guys next to him. And then he kind of struggled a little bit with Chas Green next to him, So it's just the way it works. But I agree with Dave. I mean that had nothing.

It wasn't like there was a bunch of twists and stunts there. It was just I'm better than you. And Chaz Green does not have tackle feet, not right now. He doesn't have a tackle's body, and there's something to be said for that. Let's think about this. I'm gonna give him a little bit of a break, a little bit because when you go into an offseason tackling guard is obviously different. He was prepared to play guard. That's what they did. That's what he was. He was battling

to play guard, and your body is different. So now they moved him out to tackle because of a necessity, and he doesn't look like a tackle. He looks more like a guard. I'm not saying he's gonna be his act Martin and guard, but I don't think he's a tackle. So at that point, do you think Byron Bill needs to be the guy that starts to tackle for you this week? Because he has primarily played tackle in his career. You know what he starts, he has a lot a lot, Yeah,

seventy two. Yeah, you put him out there at talking tackle right after if Dion and he's and he's my swing tackle. If Tyron does come back, if Tyron can't go, I think he'll be he'll get the first. So at this point, as is an active this week, right, That's why I was going. I think at this point he goes all the way to the bottom of the depth chart. At this point, it's entirely on Tyran. But if Tyron plays, I would probably see him. Yeah, he's shirt with the

big sentine. So does that mean that he just doesn't have a future here? Did that one game? Basically? Just let me say this. I thought about this the other day. Sometimes you have a bad game and you're change something. Sometimes you have a good game. You know, sometimes it's just so extreme that it forces your hand and I'll go back the other way. Roy Williams missed a game in two thousand and nine. He missed the wide receiver. Sorry, the wide receiver. Roy Williams missed a game two thousand

and nine. They were going to Kansas City. It was Roy and Patrick Crayton, and then they started a guy named Miles Austin. Miles Austin went out there had a couple of nice plays. Early had a couple of nice plays in the middle, had more great plays, had won in overtime. Before you know it, he had two hundred and fifty yards receiving the best game in the history of the Cowboys wide receivers ten catches. They won the game. A star was born. They had no choice. He starts

the next game, no doubt about it. Roy came back and Patrick Crayton was the one that got benched. He didn't do anything. He was so good. And I've always said this about Miles. The best part was the next week against Atlanta. I think he went for one seventy so it wasn't a flute game. A star was born. Like I said, it was so great. He had to make the move. This one was so bad. I think you have to make the move. So that's my point.

I know, I don't I mean, I don't know that it means he doesn't have a future here in the sense of like i'd probably let him finish out his contract. Yeah, but that's only one more season anyway, So but I mean, yeah, but you're looking for a replacement for him, even mean, do you think I am I wrong on this? I mean, do y'all see a tackle here, I'd probably have him. I mean, I'm like, Joe Looney's in a contract year. I mean, he could be your eight. I'm keeping Joe.

I like Joe a lot. I'm just I'm spitballing here like he. But we we do that though, you know, we we guys we like Yeah, sure, I mean, like I want Bryce to make plays, Yeah, because I like Bryce's like Bryce and he does some things and he's he's you know, I love Joe, I don't, and I love for Joe probably eclipses what he actually does for the team. That's probably why you like Alfred Morris. He's the best guy in the locker room. Yeah, that's like just just the nicest, most down to earth dude. And

I like Darren McFadden for other reasons. Woo pig right, get past that that that Arkansas thing? Uh? What were we? If he plays in the game and it sounds like he's gonna play a little bit in this game, you think, yes, Nick's gonna have one of those foam pigheads on him. You're ready for it. It's never been worn in my entire life. Just gets uncomfortable when he starts saying woo pig suey. I've never I don't really say that either. That just gets a little bit creepy. But listen, I

don't want Felix Jones back. I don't want Ken Hamlin back. Okay, it's not like that. They don't need to go get Peyton Hillis. Yeah, but this is one of your all time greats. Well, he's been a really good player. He's been a really Oklandators. Has he been a really good pay I don't know the Oklandators. He was a really

good player, right, he was. He had a year where he was really are you gonna look at the rushing are you gonna look at the rushing stats this year and whoever finishes fourth and say he had a pretty good year, because that guy finished fourth for you in the NFL two years ago, and he did it in ten games. You roll your eyes if you want to. But I'm just saying, I mean, nobody else this was on the team that couldn't do anything. Yeah, but we all know that Castle here, We all know that watched

the game aimes that it wasn't. Yes, we got some yards, but it wasn't. It wasn't the kind of performance that was like he was the man, like it was okay, it couldn't run at times, like they could not run a time. That's fine. So but it was pretty good though, right, that's pretty good, a lot better than that crap you saw Sunday. All I'm saying is is one thing if

he's just behind greatness. But if Alfred Morris is doing what he does and Rod Smith's doing what he I mean, don't you think that you would want at least give him a shot. But that's also my thing going into this year, I was the person that would have preferred to have younger running backs than the veteran. That's the one position in the NFL where to me, a veteran

is less important other than for pass protection. If you can find a young guy that can do pass protection, I always go with young guys at running back because I think whether it's they're hunger, whether it's that they're half spryer legs, whether it's that they're just not beat up, whatever it is, I like having younger running backs and I like having veteran running back. We're gonna go find us a Kareem Hunt. Like there's some kid right now,

like bowling Green. Yeah, und running back seventh overall, we'll go get him. That guy is going that way. Kareem Yeah, what you mean? Oh you mean he struggling. I saw something the other day about who here's your three three guys for Rookie of the Year. You know, one of them was Watson, and I was like, well, where's Kareem Hunt? Where's the kid from Jacksonville and down? He has tailed off? And well for net for Nett's stay healthy, well between the buy and then he got benched, and then he

didn't have a great game last week. He's been on three weeks of man, But how do we get on this anyway? I don't know running backs. I was just about to ask, you think Deshaan Watson's gonna win Rookie of the Year. He should way off? He should win it anyway. Honestly, Uh, Chads Green? Did Chaz Green? He's a good one too. I would keep Chaz Green on the team through his contract. He could be like your eighth offensive lineman who's usually inactive. But he was brought

in here. I mean I idly. I would imagine the goal was for him to replace Doug Free. Obviously a lot of stuff has changed since then, but like, he doesn't have a future on this team as a guy you want to count on as a starter. Clipton gathers, Yes, what do you remember about him? It's really tall. I was gonna say, yeah, tall. I was trying to think of like a playing guest, but no, no, because he

didn't play. He was one of those guys that he got moved around to like six or seven practice squads because you bring him in and you're like, oh, yeah, we got up with this guy six eight, three, ten or whatever. That's the thing about Chaz Green. I mean, he just looks the part. You're like, all right, we gotta get something out of him. He looks mean, big, strong, It looks like he's gonna do something but hasn't gotten there yet. But I really think he could maybe do something.

A guard. Maybe he needs to be your guard. Maybe I'm fine. I'm fine with him being like, they don't resign, y, Martin, Martin, you got yourself a guy they do resigned, Martin. We're having an emerging see podcast down here in the studio. Let's get a call from Chris in Indiana. Chris, what up? How's it going? Hey? Are not too bad? It's been a little bit um. I think some people are forgetting. We all know Chaz Green didn't have a real good game and Bell didn't either, but the interior of that

offensive line also didn't have a good game. If you go back and look on those sacks that was coming from the outside, Dak didn't have nowhere to move up in the pocket, and I think also that enabled not enabled, but that also hindered us from being able to run the ball because it wasn't much going on during the in the inside of the line. So I think a lot of people are kind of forgetting that as the line as a whole did not have a good game, and whether Zeke was there or not, I think it

would have probably been the same. If those guys are all five of those guys are not working as one, your running game and your passing game and having time, it's just not going to work out, all right, Thanks for the call. I think there's something. I mean, Zack Martin gave up an uncharacteristically bad sack, I think, and then I'm making excuses for him, like he's he's got an ankle or something like he at some point his

ankles dinged up. I don't. I mean, I mean, it's not something that's going to keep him off the field, but I wonder how much that affected him. But yeah, I mean the line kind of got their butts kicked. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not gonna say necessarily disagree with that, but I don't want to. I don't want I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that those sacks around the outside were because Dad couldn't step up.

I think there was one plan specifically. I know that there was a sack that was because Dak kind of got flushed and then he ran into a guy that was coming from the other side and then first half, Yeah, and then you're getting up with a sack. I think that was one of claiborne sacks. But that that, to me,

was the aberration. I think more often than not, when Claiborne got to him, it literally just came so fast he had no time to read, I think, and that was that had nothing to do with what was happening in front of him. I hear, I mean, I hear what the caller is saying. I think there's something to be said. I don't think the line played that great

as a whole. I agree, I agree, But yeah, when you step up in the pocket, like the end is coming around the tackle and you kind of got some time to work and there's a feel like most of those sacks it was like three steps and you just you got a guy on your back like you're still in his drop, like hidden, there's always already a gown in order for you to be able to step up and avoid the rush, like your tackle still has to kind of be doing his thing to kind of, you know,

force you to go wide and take a longer arc than you want to write that that wasn't really happening. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's get a question from Twitter. Okay, well, in case Tyren cannot play this weekend, see that. Yeah, let's hope he can. But in case he can't and we have to cheat, see Chas Green once again, or Byron Bell if whatever, whoever he's out there, how can the Cowboys help those guys? I know I saw at times Alfred Moore is help with the block, and obviously

you can necessarily do that all the time. What could be other ways that they could help him? Or whoever is it out there? Yeah, I mean, and that's one of the things that I think why Alfred Morris has been a declining players because yes, he can run the ball, but he's not the best blocker. He's not the best, doesn't have the best feel for that, I don't think from the timing of chipping and then getting out in

his great pass catcher. So that probably keeps him off the field is you know, more than he would like to be. But that's one of the things running back helping there, because you can kind of block and be a pass catcher. I think they'll try some receivers to do that. Maybe ends Yeah, hit him on the way out to your route. Yeah, just all all you need is just one little hit and then move over there and you know, and and sneak out in the past in the past. So I think that that's what you'll see.

You'll see some of that. And that's the other thing about wide nine, right, if you have a tight end, it extends that guy out even farther. If he wants to play really wide, if he wants to be the widest guy on the line, he's got to go even farther out if you put a tight end there. And so from that standpoint, it gives you more distance between the rusher and the quarterback, which hopefully again can help you. So I think there are lots of different things that

they can do. Now the question becomes what things can they do in the context of the offense that they already play, because they don't normally have to do those things with Tyren Smith out there, right, So how do they do those things without drastically changing their offense. I don't know how tough that is to make those kinds of adjustments. I would assume you can, and there's not a big deal, but I'm not a coach. I don't know.

You see him do stuff with multiple tight end sets though, I mean, you know, like Swim and Hannah and went into something. I mean, they do those boots and tight

end actions. And if somebody other than Tyrant has to play this game, I would guess like a tight end is just affixed to the left side at least way more often than was the case in Atlanta, And you can do stuff to get them involved, like not only have him as an extra blocker, but in the interest of staying multidimensional and not just giving yourself away, you can use them as blockers who become receivers. And stuff

like that. That's the other thing. It seemed like in this game the Cowboys were way more committed to being an eleven personnel and even sometimes going you know, basically one personnel. They had a tight end, no running backs, and they spread everybody out wide. And my thought was, when you're getting wrecked like that with one guy killing your tackle, the last thing you want to do is

take tight ends and running backs off the field. So my thought is, in this game, if you're having to play without Tyren Smith, maybe you should ought to see a predominant amount of twelve personnel where you got two tight ends. That tight end, like you said, maybe that tight end is a fixture over there. He's always going to be there to give that tackle a little bit of extra support. Even if he's going out in a route he can at least chip the galln his way

out right. Well, And I was gonna say, with this eagle run defense, it's not like you're gonna be very successful at running the ball anyway. So you can use those guys who can't help out, even the running back, to help with the blocking certain situations because they won't be able to really run the ball anyways. You're just

giving up on the run just like that. Huh, Well, they can help with the block, can help Dad have more time to pass that ball, So real quick, I want to throw out something to note that we ought to think about when it comes to this run defense. They haven't really played a good running back. Man. What I mean by good running back? A running back that's

like up there now. Of course, the Cowboys don't have one right now either, but their offensive line, if Tyran is back, is one of the better offensive lines in the league. The best one they've played is Kareem Hunt

and he had eighty one yards against it. And also, just like it, let's be fair, just like the if the passing numbers are going to be more than they probably should be because they are, you know, throwing the ball a lot in the second half, then the running numbers are probably lower than they should be because they're not running the ball. That doesn't mean that, you know, I'm not saying that they're not good at stopping the run, because that defense has got them in position to be

in the lead in the fourth quarter. It's the same thing the Cowboys did last year. Like it's yeah, if you're that good at stopping the run, and there's alway is more to it than just being good. I mean they're good, don't get me wrong, but the circumstances of these games dictate a lot of But I think that's the point of what I was getting to is that I don't think you abandoned the run. To speak to what you were talking, I don't think the abandon will

run here. I think I think you try them, and you try to run the ball against this defense and test this defense. There might be a come a point in the game where you're like, we're really not getting much out of it. We gotta do something different. But I don't think there's nothing here that says to me you can't run. It just says to me, they've been pretty successful stopping to run against the teams that they've played.

Can the Cowboys be in that lot? Or can the Cowboys be the exception to the rule, because I don't think they faced any really great run offenses this season. Here's that Eagleton optimism. Well yeah, you have to. Can I keep the same game you picked last week? Right? Yeah? All right, thank you guys to joining us. We're back tomorrow. We're gonna get you guys all set up for the game this weekend. We'll tell you what to expect and we'll tell you what our picks are for the game.

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