Cowboys Break: Scouting The Chargers Offense

live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, I really thought seventy nine was yesterday. No, it wasn't. You want to go back and listen. This is the Chaz Green episode. I thought I thought about Chaz Green yesterday? You did said that. I don't think it was okay. I'm sorry for you guys scoring at home, I mean with the notebook and stuff like that. Let us know, But I really think this eighty You think I do well? The seventy ninth or eightieth edition of the thirteent of

The Break. You're happy now, Nick, Not really, because now the show is kind of derailed and it's my fault. But let's get it back. Driver that happens regularly, so you should be used to it by this. One of those things. It's not derails. It's one of those things where it just hits those little bumps and you're like, oh, I better move over. You know what. We just we just can't start this show the right way. No, we

could at nine thirty. What time it's nine thirty. I think if I was doing it by myself as a one person show, or maybe if it was just me an Amber, I think we probably could. I think we could get off to a good start and we could have great conversation. Somehow, somehow, there's something to do here on this short week because of you two start again, Episode seventy nine. Oh I hate that voice. That's okay, I hate when you do that. All right, let's jump in.

Let's we got a lot to talk about. We're gonna start with some talk on injuring one of the players, wow uh, and some of the players that that may or may not be able to play on Thursday. And then we're gonna start our talk about the Chargers. Dave's gonna give us a scoutter report, um Nick and Amber. Maybe they'll chime in, maybe they won't we'll see never no, and then we'll we'll kind of dive into that. And I do want to spend a little time at some

point today talking about where the Cowboys did. I know, normally we take a big picture look, so I do want to talk a little bit about where the Cowboys are relative to the other teams in the NFC, what their schedule looks like down the stretch. And I want to ask the question to be honest with you. Maybe this is a good time to do it. If I ask you, guys the question right now, just your good feel of whether you think the Cowboys can make the playoffs.

What would you say? Let's start with you, Dave out can can make it. I will make it. I'm sorry, fill make the playoffs? Good feeling good? Feeling out out Amber, what do you say? Um, I mean, there's always hope, But I would say out Nick m I mean, certainly it looks like they're I mean, they are out there, and you look at the playoff picture. The only thing that gives me hope is their schedule, right their schedule coming down the stretch here, it looks like they definitely

have winnable games. I mean, they should win some of these games. But um, well, let's just to win them all. That's problem, right, Let's just take the conversation we just had off the air to the air. Then, I mean, there's all the reason in the world. And I pat myself on the back. I said that last week you lost this game. That's not ideal. You can still achieve your goals. You basically, I think you have to win the next three. You have to win the next three.

You probably have to win the next four. You gotta win the next six. You don't now you can get you can get in. I'm telling you ten and six for the Cowboys is not gonna be good enough. We'll see regardless. Okay, let's worry about that when we get there. I know you have to win these next three against three teams that are all below five hundred by multiple games. You have to otherwise it's not even a conversation station

worth having. You probably need to beat the Raiders too, and then obviously you need to beat to see how Yeah, you probably do need to win them all. The problem is no, the problem is just and I said, you know, if they had if they had traded blows with Philly and come up just short, I'd have an easier time having this conversation. But they've looked like garbage for two straight weeks. And I know, you know you'll you'll probably get Tyrn Smith back in the lineup one of these days,

and Dan Bailey will be back. But the margin of error is so slim. I mean, they lost games. They've lost several games with Tyrann Smith in the lineup. Let's not act and Zeke Elliott was there when Tyron Smith was in the lineup two for that matter, So let's not act like that's this cure all that's suddenly going to turn them back into a powerhouse. That they lost. They lost to the Eagles. They lost to the best

human football right now. They lost to them. So but the point is is that here comes the Chargers at four and six. You should win. I mean, there's no doubt about. I don't care they're playing well, but you should win the game on Thanksgiving. You should win. You definitely. Just I'm just do you think they're just hands down a better team. I mean, they're one game at being better. I'm just saying, I mean, if you're gonna do anything, but it needs to be now. So I'm just saying,

I guess you definitely could win. And if they don't win, they'll play it'll be because they played poorly. But I'm just saying they could win. It's not like they could play this great game and all. If they play their best game, they should win. That's what you're saying. Yes, even their best game with what with their second stream guys because of injuries. I'll still think if they play their best game, they're same with the Redskins. Yeah, that's the same thing with the Redskins coming up in a

week at the Giants. Same thing. Those two games are, like they could easily lose, they could easily win because of those division games, but there's no excuse of why they shouldn't win those games. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. When you look at this and I still I still believe what I said last week. I believe losing that game to Philadelphia put you in a situation where it's it's not likely because what I think has to happen at this point, I think the Cowboys have to win

out right now. You look at the NFC. You've got the Falcons, you've got the PA, you've got the Rams, and you've got the Saints, and you got the Vikings and Eagles. Those are all the six playoff teams, right, and then still above the Cowboys are the Lions, the Seahawks, and the Packers. Now you can dismiss the Packers if you like. The one thing I will say about the Packers' schedule is they got a pretty light schedule. The rest of the way. I think they got Cleveland and there somewhere.

I think they got Cincinnati and there somewhere. Like they play teams that even with them not being full strength, they can win some of those games. But he's but here's the more important part. The Cowboys will beat the Bucks in twenty fifty. The more important part is the Detroit Lions, who are sitting above you, at one game

above you. They actually have a really easy schedule. They only have one team left with a winning record of their six that hurts, right, And then a lot of the teams in NFC South, they're gonna play each other. What you need is you need one of those, maybe two of those teams to completely fall off. What you don't want is them to beat each other up and you get a win here, win there, and they're dividing

the wins, but they all stay above you. All I'm saying is, with all these teams that are sitting in front of you with manageable schedules down the stretch, the Cowboys really got to go undefeated in my opinion, because right now they're not winning any tie breaks among these teams when they when you look at their tie breaks, get the tiebreaks and you lay it out like that. I mean, Atlanta's Atlanta looks like they're putting together a

little role right Carolinas there. New Orleans is still looking great, which well, I think if you're a Cowboys fan, I think you're rooting for the teams that are leading their divisions to just win whin. I mean, you know you want the Saints going fourteen and two and dropping, you know, two losses on the Falcons and they played two games like they still have two games. Play what I'm saying. And that's the thing. You don't want them to split those games, right, You want one of them to take

control and beat the other one twice. You know, you're saying, all those fans that were cheering for Seattle to lose last night, they should have been cheering them for them to win. Yes, you want it. You wanted them to win, pushing Atlanta down. In my I think that's I don't. I think that that game was a wash because somebody in the wild card hunts getting a win either way. Wah oh wow, wow, that's I was like Bill wallsh she died a long time ago. Yeah, okay, I got it.

I got it. But if you want to if you want to look at it, if you want to look at the optimistic part of this, I think the thing to consider is of the next six games at the Cowboys half, think about this. Four of those games, the next four games, they don't play a game a team with a winning record, and they have a better record than all those teams. So you've got San Diego at four and six, you got Washington at four and six, you got New York the Giants at two and eight,

and then you got Oakland at four and six. Then you get Zeke back, right hopefully you got guys healthy at that point, and you have to play the two tough teams you have to play now. Mind you you'll play Seattle. You'll get Zeke back, but you'll play Seattle, and Seattle right now is without Cam Chancellor, who's out for the season and Richard Sherman who's out for the season, that's a big Those are big hits for them. Then

you play Philly to end the season. If Philly, as we think, has wrapped up the division by the end, they have nothing to play what, sorry, they'll have something to play for. I would imagine if they have wrapped up everything they can wrap up, they probably are not going to play their their starters in the entire game, right I just, I just don't think they're gonna have everything wrapped up. What do you think they're not? What do you think they'll still have to play for? They

still got to lose those two games. You gotta factor that. Well. I'm just they're they're two games in front of the next best team in the in the league, right, So, I mean, how many more wins they need to lock up home field? Like two? Three or probably probably four more? On I just or out of sense? Do they play anybody and they play the Vikings? I don't think they do. Think are the Saints? They don't play the Vikings are the Saint They don't play anything. They do play somebody

that's in that top six. I do remember seeing that, But I'm just saying even if they're a game up on someone, Let's say they're just one game up and they don't have the tiebreaker, I mean, they're they might have to play just so they could lock up the baby seed. So it's not just a given just because they're four games up in the division that they don't have anything to play for them because they don't need to. They don't want to be going to the Superdome for

a playoff game, or you know, Minnesota. I guess it's a tough place to play either way, though, I think if you I guess the point I'm making is, if you want to be optimistic about this, there's a reason. There's a reason to be optimistic. There's enough here that says, okay, if the Cowboys can get on a roll here, which, like you said at the beginning, Dave, there's nothing that you saw last week that suggests they can get on

this kind of role, right, but they do. It looks like maybe they get some of these guys back this week. If they get some of them back, maybe that steadies the ship a little bit. And playing teams that are lesser than us, especially from the standpoint of their record, during these next four weeks while you without Zeke, maybe you could steady this thing and you can actually get some wins and get on a roll, get your guy back,

and here you go. You know, the nice thing is it's a cliche and we roll our eyes at football players, but like, what other way is there to look at it than just one game at a time. You know, Anthony Hitchins last night in the locker room was like, we gotta go one and oh before we can worry about the rest of that. And it's a cliche for sure, but you know why even why would I waste my time amping myself up about whether they can go on

this run? Like they got to play a game in two days, and if they lose it, then we can really probably start talking about not yeah exactly, we can worry about other stuff. So you know, play this one game they look good and they win and Tyron Smith comes back, and not if they look good, if they win, you're right, if they win. If they win, if they win and you Tyron Smith's back, he's feeling better, that's another week for Sean Lee to work on his hamstring.

Not gonna look good and lose, Huh, They're not gonna look good. Yeah you don't. You don't look good and lose to a four and sixth. Right, but but but there's a way that you can look bad and still get a win. And right now I'm not style pointing anything to win but a win. I just my point being we can worry about win in five in a row if they can win this one. Like, let me see what they look like on a short week with all these injuries and all this stuff, and we'll revisit

that as we get ready for the Redskins. All right, so let's talk about these injuries. Yesterday, the Cowboys have a walk through. But during their walkthrough, it made the injury report look great, like there was only one guy

that miss practice. Everybody else was at least limited. You had Dan Bailey who was limited, maliek Collins, Anthony Hitchins to Marcus Lawrence, Tyren Smith the only people that the only person that was out with Sean Lee and then you had full practice for Jeff Heath who missed last

week with a concussion and Jeff Swain. So although it was just to walk through, is that significant that those guys were at least limited, particularly guys like Anthony Hitchins and Tyren Smith and Dan Bailey who those two have been out and then Hitchins had gotten hurt in the game. Well they what did they say on the email? It's

an approximation because it's a walk through, not a real practice. Yeah, it's significant, and you know, I don't I think by now we're all honest with ourselves that you know we're not always right. People listening to that know this. But we were on here yesterday morning saying like, no way Hitchins will be right. He looked horrible Sunday like he did not look good. I mean, I think he's gonna play or he's gonna try damn hard. He's they're not

ruling enough to do. Many football player are crazy. That's well. We saw him that that was that playoff game in Green Bay where he was just like he was. It looked like he was just it took everything yell in him to get out there, but he got out there to play. I mean, he said, the problem with his with his groin is it's small. It's so small that they all right, really the muscle. I was thinking, I wasn't gonna go there, but go ahead, finish your It's

not it's barely a strain. That's basically it. Like, I mean, I'm not saying he's not in any pain, but it's not and you're not dealing with the type of thing that Tyrn and Dan Bailey are dealing with. So he's gonna give it a go. Just a pain issues. What you're saying, it sounds like, I mean, typically you don't see guys go out there if there's risk of reaggravating it, at least a significant risk. So it sounds like he's gonna give it a go. Jerry Jones this morning ruled

out Sean Lee. That's not good, but he did say that hitch, Bailey and um Tyron all have a chance to play in this game. So are you at all concerned or do you guys get concerned about the possibility that a guy like Hitchens, because he is a tough guy, will push himself to play but may not be as effective, in which case it's probably better for him not to play. Or do you think the coaches would shut that down.

I think you'll you'll see, you know, a couple of plays here and there, and they'll see if he can't if he's gonna hurt himself or hurt the team. You know, they'll pull him out of there, and it's not I don't think it's a situation where you're gonna be sitting a linebacker or that should be playing, right. You know. It's one thing, and I remember it happened into Bill Parcels one time. This offensive tackle said he could go, he could go go, and then pregame he said, I'm out.

My back hurts, and then you know, they didn't have anybody else after that. So, yeah, that can hurt you, But I don't think they're gonna be They're gonna say you sure you can go, Hitch, and then we're gonna sit March Lillard down and then you know, yeah, I would play. I would bet everybody. Everybody's up, Lea's up for this game from the linebacker standpoint, all right. M One other thing I wanted to make get an update

on Bailey. It sounded like he actually did some warm ups and before this last game, and how did that go for him? Well, I talked to him a little bit in a pregame and he said I mentioned it, and he goes, you guys saw that. He's like, man, I forget people are still in the building. Like, you know, like before the yeah, like everyone's up there watching, you know. He was like, oh, well, because it went pretty went pretty good, and he's like, we'll see about this week.

And I don't feel I mean, he said it went fine, but I don't get the sense that if he needs to be able to come back and also kick off, I think kicking off is it would probably be harder than just the field goals. And so it's gonna be a situation where how does he kick off and how does he feel doing that? Do we think that there's a possibility he could be back and ready to kick field goals and they keep nu Gin up as well to kick off. I bet it's tough when you're inactive

to keep two kickers active. Yeah, that's true. I mean it sounded good when I first thought the same thing, and I was like, we're having a hard time just getting to seven and this week might be even more tough. But if you get guys like Tyrn Smith back and you get Hitchens playing, now you got now you're the number of guys that have to be an active for injuries decreases, So you got some tough decisions and make

Plus you want to protect yourself. If those guys can't make it through the full game, right, I mean, Nugent spend seven of nine field goals. I don't sit another running back. It's fine, they did it last week. Just sit Keith Smith or Rod Smith or no, you can't say another one. Yeah, just go with Morris. But McFadden, it's definitely gotta sit. Like no, he's got no goot, He's gotta sit. Definitely. It sucks. All right, let's ull tell you what. Let's do this. Let's check our first break.

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limitations apply so you can loop for details. Back to the break. Welcome back. It's the second second of the break live for the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're about to talk about the Cowboys and the Chargers. They play on Thanksgiving data this year. Three five kickoff. It's all right, I think it's three thirty five kickoff, So it makes you guys. Check that out. Dave, give us a scouting report on this Charger offense. Well, I

just gave you one off the air. I know, I wanted to warm you up and I wanted to make sure you're going to give the people good stuff. So I was like, it's going to be good stuff, so go. The Chargers are interesting to me just because they're like in that in between where you know, they have this Hall of Fame caliber quarterback who's nearing the end of

his career. He makes them relevant because he's so good and like the rest of this, it's like they're just throwing up stuff to try to help him out, Like, hey, we're trying to you know, like Dirk Navitski, you know, just trying to make them competitive for his last few years in the league. Like they drafted, for instance, they'd spent a lot of resources on the offensive line because

Philip Rivers has gotten killed over the years. So they drafted Forrest lamp who actually tours ACL and training camp, which I wonder how much better they'd be because he got he got all of these comparis since Zach Martin coming out like he was this badass tackle from Western Kentucky and they were going to move him to guard and he was going to be a pro bowler immediately hasn't played this year. They also drafted Dan Feeney, who's

a third round pick who's playing. I mean, he's starting and playing well for them as a rookie, they wouldn't got Russell Okoom from Denver after he was like oh there. So they pieced together this line to help Philip Rivers in the same vein. You know what, Philip Rivers is like thirty eight years old. Thirty seven years old. I'm like that, like everybody else on his offense is like twenty three. Like, they just drafted Melvin Gordon in the

first round. This is his third season. They drafted Keenan Allen in twenty thirteen, this is his fifth season. They drafted Knick's guy Hunter Henry out of Arkansas, and I think this is his third season as a Knicks guy Hunter Henry. Is he on your fantasy team? No, I'm asking, Like you said, four names, there is that one person or two people? Nick Eatman, ark Guy. Okay, I thought, okay, that's okay. You can't trust people with two first names. Yeah,

you can't. Uh so, Yeah, but he went to Arkansas. That's the only point he's got it. It's funny because like Antonio Gate, like Antonio Gate, like he's going to the Hall of Fame. He's the guy you probably think about when you think of the Chargers like Hunter Henry is supplanted him, like they used Antonio Gates in twelve personnel and not much else. He's got one hundred and thirty yards. Interesting scenario though, Hall of Fame to be tight end and then they drafted another guy and he

actually plays in Gates is probably okay with him. I wonder how Gates feels about that. I mean, Hunter becoming close to retirement, right, I mean yeah, I mean maybe this year. My Gates has been in the league longer than has he longed. Yeah, I don't know if it's that long, but I know it seems like he's been in the league forever. I want to say he was in the two thousand and one NCAA tournament, I know that. I want to say he came in two two thousand

and two NCAA tournament. Maybe they got here, they came in at the same time. Probably, Yeah, but seems like he's been around longer. But yeah, it's just me, he's yeah, I mean, so regardless they drafted they drafted Mike Williams in the first round from Adda Clemson. So many Mike Williams.

I know. Then he's been injured, which one he hasn't had a ton of opportunities, so it's like they're piecing this thing together, you know, like the you know, the Cowboys started with their offensive line and like built everything behind that and then they added the running back. There's it's hard to find the method here. Like I just they're just like we gotta help Philip, just well year by year, bringing things that we can use to help Philip.

But like they're fine, I think mostly because Philip Rivers is such a good quarterback. But like you were telling me off the air, like they're they're not really special at anything. I mean, they're fifteenth overall. They're thirteenth in passing, so even with Philip Rivers, like they're not just chunking it away on people two hundred and forty seven yards

a game. Melvin Gordon, he's having a decent career. I don't know that he's lived up to the hype of being as drafted as high as he was, that he was the second guy taken after Gurley. I think he went eighteenth ninety four rushing yards per game. They're twenty fifth in the league and fifteenth in scoring offense, so

and that's twenty two point one points per game. So this is gonna sound bad, but they remind me a little bit of the Falcons in the sense that, like they have a lot of talent, but they haven't the results don't bear that out and all the I mean, obviously Atlanta beat the Cowboys by twenty points the other day, but the offense like didn't blow me away in that game, right, I mean, they didn't just wipe him off the field by any stretch. So there's the pieces there to be dangerous,

especially when you have a guy like Philip Rivers. But when we were arguing about this off the air, like, I don't see anything here that just really takes my breath away in terms of like things you can't handle. Like Keenan Allen is a very good receiver. I think I would argue that he's the worst number one receiver that the Cowboys have faced in the last little bit.

I mean, you think about I totally drew a blanket Jones, think about Yeah, you think about Julio Jones, You think about al Sean Jeffrey, You think about the three or four guys that Washington has Crowder dockson the tight ends and over there zach Ertz for Philly. I mean Hunter. Henry's good, but he's not on that level. He's not on the Travis Kelsey level. There's not a guy here with speed like Tyree Hill. There's just not a guy that I just scares me where I'm like, oh my god,

they just absolutely can't deal with this guy. I mean, I know Keenan Allen's good, but I just I don't know that he's on that freakish level. He's got seven hundred yards and five touchdowns this season. So is there a receiver on the Cowboys have seven hundred yards? No, right, I'm asking, I don't know, No, No, it's I don't know what. I don't know what does has but it wouldn't be that. I think he's at five hundred, but

not a whole lot more than that. So in lieu of all that, and with the fact that we know Sean Lee's not going to play, the thing that scares me is their running backs. Because Melvin Gordon is a good player. I know, I just said their twenty fifth in the league and rushing offense, but I mean that doesn't matter when we've seen the Cowboys perform the way they have against some of these running games without Shawn Lee.

And the other one is this kid, Austin Eckler, who I don't know if you've been paying attention to the Chargers, but he is having a breakout year. As like there, you know, he's their new darren Sproles. He's he catches it out of the backfield, they get a runner. Yeah, oh absolutely, he's that type of third down guy he had. I think he's got something like two hundred receiving yards and three receiving touchdowns, all three of which I believe

came in the last two games. So yeah, and if Sean Lee was playing this game, it probably wouldn't bother me a whole lot. But he won't be there. We know that right now. And so that that's what I'm watching. Between Gordon running the ball and what Brandon Oliver and Austin Eckler can do as receivers, that worries me a lot. So you said that there's nothing really special about them, talk to me about what they did last week, because

obviously last week they scored a ton of points. Keenan Allen had a phenomenal day with twelve catches, one hundred and fifty nine yards, two touchdowns. What did they do last week? That you saw that made them so prolific offensively, I can answer that without even looking at the game. I was, well, six turnovers right, well for a field. In the interest of full disclosure, thank you short week. The all twenty two of Bill's Chargers is not up yet.

I had to watch old games of them because it usually takes them like a day to turn that around. I haven't seen the all twenty two of that game, but I think they were plus six and turnover differential, which in the NFL helps. In the n like two of them were touchdowns. I mean, so at the risk of you know, I mean just at the risk of just like explaining away something that of that magnitude. But in the NFL, if you were plus five or six and turnover, almost throw that game out because that's like

that doesn't happen and we win like that too. Yeah, when it does happen, the other team loses by thirty or forty points. So I look at I mean, I look at that mainly is taking advantage of a young quarterback playing horribly in its first start. And then obviously, you know, I think once you get behind the ball like that, once a team gets behind by two or three scores, then your offense is just kind of doing

whatever it wants. So when you match up against this Cowboys defense and what the Cowboys defense does well front for what they do not so well at times, tackling from the linebacker position, maybe some of the play in the secondary. What do you think they're matchup issues either good or bad for the Cowboys? Well, I think I think the passing game matchups are favorable. Like I said, I mean like it's one of those things where now I regret saying it because I'm not trying to say

Keenan Allen's not a good receiver. But I do think there's less here that you have to worry about than in other matchups. I mean they're other. You know, they have Tyroll Williams, who they got as an undrafted free agent. I think they would probably prefer that Mike Williams is their number two, but he's just not on that level yet where he's ready for that type of snap count. And then and then you have Travis Benjamin who in the games I watched, he's their lucky whitehead, Like I

think that guy or a fast guy. He's like they only run into rounds with him, Like that's like the only thing that he does. And he's fast, so he gets yards on him, which that's something to watch for. But he's not like this true receiver that's running all these routes. And like I said, Hunter Henry is a good player, but we've seen them have success against Ertz and Kelsey. I think between Byron Jones and now that Cheeto Woozier is healthy, I think you can probably keep

that down a little bit. Like I said, the thing that worries me is Melvin Gordon running and then all three of these running backs catch passes. They ran a lot of screens against that Jaguars defense, which has been so good against the run this year since they got Marcel Darius in that trade. They're just aggressive. Like I

think Gordon probably caught six screens in that game. Like I said, this kid Eckler goes out why like he's Danny Woodhead Absolutely he or Darren Sprowles when Darren Sprowles was there, which was a decade ago, which is crazy. But all of that stuff worries me when you consider that Shaun Lee won't be there and Anthony Hitchins won't be one hundred percent. I mean, yeah, I think you're

gonna have a hard time keeping those guys down. The one thing that I think stood at the most to me when I looked at this offense was they don't get sacked very much, Philip Rivers and it doesn't get sacked very much. They're third in sacks allowed in the

NFL with only giving up twelve. That's a pretty good number, and that when you look at the matchup, that's something that Cowboys typically do well, but may not that may be neutralized a bit because you're playing a team and a quarterback that tends to not take very many sacks. It's funny because I don't think of their offensive line certainly isn't bad, but they're not like these road graders,

you know, like they're not just unbelievable. And Philip Rivers is not Tony Romo in his right, you know, but like he gets away from pressure, like he just kind of shuffles around back there and moves up in the pocket. He's he's I mean, he's been doing it long enough that he just knows how the pocket works. He knows how to get away from stuff. But like he doesn't look amazing doing it, like he eli, Yeah, I mean good. Yeah,

Eli doesn't take a lot of sex. Yeah, Philip Rivers looks like an old man like and I mean, you know in NFL terms, like he just looks like he looks like a guy who's been playing football for a long time. But he knows the little tricks of the trade to help him get out of situations without having to be Russell Wilson. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take some questions. You guys give us a call numbers two one four eight seven two twenty one O two again two one four eight seven two twenty one H two.

You can also hit us on Twitter at Cowboys Break. Let's get a question first from Twitter? What do you have? Amber? Well? Can I speak before the Can I throw in my own call? I thought you guys didn't have one. I'm sorry. Well, no, I was gonna say and do my homework, like I knew Dave was gonna have a great details scouting report. But this team, it doesn't matter. Honestly, I don't. I don't care about the Chargers. I don't. I haven't been

following up with what they're doing. They're not not impressive to me. But aside from that, I just don't think, honestly, it matters whoever the Cowboys are facing at this point. I'm more concerned about themselves, what they're doing, the guys that they're gonna have available, Are they gonna make those changes, those adjustments after halftime. I don't think the their defensive line is gonna struggle this week. I think they'll play

better than what they did last weekend. David Irving, I would assume they wouldn't really limit him like we saw last game. He I think they're gonna connect and do a better job even if they're not getting sacked. I think they'll be able to put some pressure. But all in all, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who they're facing, honestly. Welcome, Welcome to the podcast studio, Jason Garrett. We're really happy

to have you here, nameless faceless opponents. Hey, Control, you're saying, it's all about what we can can do, I mean, get themselves fixed and then they'll be fine. It's not a bad point. I mean, it's really not a bad way to look at this when you when you think about the teams that they're gonna play, because again, these are not teams that are great. So if you do what you're supposed to do. If you take care of your own business, you should be able to win them.

That's a lot of these teams. I think that's a logical fallacy because this team isn't great either, Like you tend to think about understood, understood, but but all these things, And you could probably say the same thing for the Charges, Like I'm sure the Chargers look at and say, if we just fix this, this and this, the Chargers, we can win any one of these games. Right they've lost, I mean they've lost sixty what sixty one did to sixteen the last two weeks, Like we can beat these guys.

They don't have it half their good players, right, that's and that's I mean maybe they get tired and and Bailey and Hitchings back on the but like they're not going to be fixed, Like they're not because the players are gonna be fixed with the teams. That team's not gonna be fixed. It's not gonna be the ideal version of what you want. I mean, they don't have Zeke, they don't have lead. They're not gonna be fixed. They're

just gonna be trying to patch this thing together. So yeah, and I doubt they're gonna have another game like they did this past weekend talking about the Chargers, but as far as turnovers, you look at the way that Dak is throwing and not really connecting with the receivers. If whether it's on him or on the receivers, it's still a big issue right there, and we'll see how it goes. But whatever the nihilistic Amber over here, something nothing matters.

One thing I will say about that, though, Amber is it's hard for me to see a scenario where the offense fixes its problems on a short week exactly. So I think if they're gonna win this game, I don't know if it's gonna be because they get better as much as it's going to be that the things that they've been doing well they can to do well, and

they do, and those things just continue. Like the running game, if the Running game can be a little bit better than it was last game, because it was, as Day said yesterday, it was okay, right, If it can be a little bit better, if the defense can actually hold for a full game, which you're thinking against an offense like this, maybe they can't hold a full game and actually hold them a lot closer than what they did with Philadelphia and maybe replicate what they did in the

first half against Philadelphia through most of the game against San Diego. I think that's how they have to win. I don't think offensively they're going to score a ton of points because that's just not what we've seen in the last two weeks. And I don't think there's anything that's going to change that right now on a short week. But you know, I mean, we've seen them do certain things that do work and then they don't do it again.

So that's the thing. It's like, Okay, are you gonna take this time, this little amount of time that you have available to actually look at go back and see what has been working and try to do more of those things instead of That's the one thing I don't get, like, if you see something working, why don't you keep trying to do that instead of switching it up? And and then when you need them to switch it up, they don't switch it up, so we'll see it's like they're

just guessing wrong. Sometimes coaches do that. They overthink themselves, like we're running this, they know we're gonna do this, They're they're onto us, they know we're gonna run this. They know that, we know that they know, instead of making them actually stop it before you stop it. Yeah, that's true. All right, let's take our Let's take our first break, our final break. I'm sorry, we'll come back. We will get some questions and numbers two one, four,

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Let's take a call from Floyd in Virginia. Floyd, what up? Hey guys, Hey hey by Derek, Chapter seventy six. Appreciate it. You what I'm sorry? Alpha, Chapter seventy six. Oh all right, Doc Brow all right, Um, the reason we're having this bad love streak is it's all Dave's fault. David has been wrong, he said. Nobody watches the show. See him in the hoodie, he said, nobody. He said he was wrong with Vic and Zeke didn't show up. But seriously, guys, this is you think it's the defense or the offense

that's really our problem. Because on offense, we won't leave the system. We won't go George Rouse today, we won't run wide. But on defense, our safety are always late. Byron Jones is always chasing. Jeff Heath, the fastest man on the team, is always there step late. What is it? Offensive defense? All right? Appreciate the cough. It's I always lean toward offense, and like, I don't know how many

times I can say it for whatever. Obviously you want the defense to be better, but they are what they are, and they're not a unit that's going to win you games. That about expectations, like, yeah, absolutely, expectation going to season was offense has to carry you because that's the best expectation is that your offense is a machine full of Pro bowlers and your defense is not. So yeah, um well that's I mean, that's always have a defense with

a philosophy of ben but don't break. And then it's what's going to happen your Your safeties are going to be a step slower up to the to the stop the run because they're playing in you know, Fort Worth. I mean, they're they're not going to give up a deep ball back there. So sometimes they do, but it's rare. I mean for the most part they're playing back there. Then when the line but I think it's more of a situation of miss and Shawn Lee and those linebackers

not being there. And now you're you're asking where your safeties are, but the safeties are making sure that you're not getting beat deep. So I mean, I'm not I'm not saying the safety play has been good. It hasn't. I'm just saying you have to give up something, and the Cowboys make sure they don't give up big plays. When that happens, your safeties are going to be a

little bit late to get up there. If your linebackers and defensive line are not making the plays at the line of scrimmage, how much better do you think the defense would be if Barry Church was still here, like he was a real I think we had an argument in the spring where I I mean, he's a really good player. He's not a great player. He's like as good as you can be without being Pro Bowl caliber, which I mean, how much of a difference does that

guy make on this defense? Well, everybody would slide down one spot, which I think makes a difference. Right, If Jeff heat is out there for only you know, I don't know how many less snaps, but let's assume thirty less snaps. Like it, that's just his snaps in half. We know that Jeff Fith is in position and makes plays when he gets limited opportunities. He can give up some too, but he'll make a few plays for you, So you put him out there a little bit. It's

like JJ Wilcox. His final year here was his best year here. He was not a guy that was out there every play. He was a guy that was out there in limited opportunities. But he made a few plays, and I think that's kind of the same thing with Jeffeet. I'd rather see Jeff eithan that kind of role, and so from that standpoint, I think it makes a big difference.

On top of the fact that I think, you know they they I think they could use a little more veteran leadership in that unit, and I think Church could have provided that. I think there now, for the money, I don't think the Cowboys for not signing him, I don't know if he was worth that amount of money for this team. He's the guy, either him or car would be the guy that I would have liked to keep the most, and he was the most expensive. So like,

I don't look at that as this missed opportunity. It's just like you can't afford to pay that was doable to keep far with the price that problem he got up there, it was doable problem. I don't know if it was doable to do to keep To keep Church, I think their run defense would be better with it, Like with the amount of games that Sean Lee has missed. I don't think it would be great, but I think it would be better. It's a good point. Barry was

still here too, But that's hindsight. That's like a question from Twitter. With the run game looking serviceable and Tyran potentially coming back, what can these offense do to improve the passing game? Why would you, guys? Possibly you want to see. What's really interesting to me is they asked Garrett about that, and you know, like it's a frustrating thing to figure out because i mean, even watching the tape, you're like, okay, like does the receiver open? Is Dak

not seeing that? Like it's hard to even look at all twenty two and be like, why exactly isn't this working? Like it's not as obvious as like he's just running down the middle of the field wide open. Like it's not that EASi, they aren't wide open, guys. He's just amazing. Oh, don't get me wrong, like that has happened at points during the season, but it's just it's not that obvious

when you're sitting down to like watch these games. But anyway, we asked Garrett about this last night, and like his entire answer was just about protection, was about Tyron Smith not being in there. And I know Tyron Smith is great, but considering all the things that went wrong, in the passing game, from drop passes to bad accuracy to bad decision making. For Garrett to basically spend forty seconds saying that much of it as attributable to Tyron Smith was

really interesting to me. Was that also maybe because what they think they saw was a quarterback who had been brutalized so much the week before that last week he was feeling and seeing things that maybe weren't there when it comes to the pass rush. Not only that, but I think, and you know, I don't think it's mean or harsh to say this, Like Dak's a second year quarterback. He's not at the point where he's gonna make his reads that quickly, like he needs that extra half second

to full second that Tyron Smith gives him. And if you want to get into that barred room debate about oh, he's not elite, like, no, he's not elite. He's a second year player. Like it's not it's not wrong or insulting to Dak. Press got to say that he needs that supporting cast to be at his best in his second year. Yeah, and he hasn't had it. And you know, again to draw that comparison to Russell Wilson, I think that's really fair. Russell would so good. Well. He needed that.

He needed that when he was young. He needed marsha On Lynch and they had a much better offensive line at their defense was killer, like the defense shut people down, so he just had to knock them out. In year six or seven, however long he's been in the league, he's out there doing that crap like he's unbelievable to watch. And you know the fact that Dak needs that right now at the age of twenty four doesn't mean that he can't become a quarterback on that level later, but

he needs that right now. I do think that this team needs to throw the ball down the field a lot more, even if it's not the high percentage play. I think that they need to scheme plays for Bryce, Terrence Dez whoever get get him down the field. I mean, I mean, not just one of those when the play breaks down, throw it down the field. I'm talking about, get it protected, stand up, and then let Terrence go

streaking down forty five yards down the field. Because what that'll do, even if you don't make it, what that'll do, it'll just push the safeties back and it will open up the middle for the plays they want to throw Daz underneath, but they never show that they're gonna throw a deep ever. I mean, everybody else in the league is testing these corners for the Cowboys a couple of times, a few times during the game. They never do it. I know Bryce can go deep. You know Terrence can

go deep. So I don't know why they don't do that. It opens up more things in my opinion for the rest of the game. Is it selective memory on my part? And I know, I mean, I know what you're going to say, because you want them to get this fast receiver, But like, these guys don't throw the ball outside the numbers.

Like that's not a thing that the Cowboys have been doing with any real regularity this season, right, I mean, you saw they tried the fifty fifty balls to days in the early going and it hasn't been working, and it just seemed like they don't do it. But do we changed that term? But you know, because to me, flipping a coin is fifty fifty. Like pulling a card rud or black, that's fifty fifty. But the fifty fifty ball to dead like, that's no longer fifty fifty he

doesn't get get seventy twenty five seventy five. I mean, seriously, he's not going he's not getting the ball fifty percent of the time. Yeah, it used to be seventy thirty in his favorite right. But I'll ask answer your question with a question. Do they do anything in the pasting game with regularity? Like there is no It seems like to me there's no consistency because I'll say, yeah, two games ago they had that deep pass to Bryce that

was outside the numbers, But they don't do that consistently. Yeah, Um, they think you would think that maybe that dig route to Todays or slant route to days would be consistent. But it's not like they'll do it one game and then another game. They don't do it as much. For Amber was just saying what they the Cowboys do things, and then I'll know and go back to him. Yeah, I just don't think they have any consistency in their past. I think they've only played, to my memory, maybe two

games where their passing game actually looked consistent. Hasn't wasn't Kansas City. It looks it looked pretty good against Kansas City. It looked pretty good against Green Bay um, there's somebody else in there, well, definitely not Washington. And I'm not even saying looks good or looks bad. I'm saying more that they do something consistently, like they say this we know we can do, Like there is nothing like that I would have this office other than the running game.

I running game is what they do. I would argue that they can consistently find Daz on the slant slash post dad. I mean, like, I'm just playing, Well, it's funny because Das is good for six catches and sixty yards like all every week. It's just it's not enough and it's not what we've gotten used to seeing, and it's not coming in the red zone. And there's not a lot of plays that where he's breaking tackles action turn it into more like they'll like Dack will find

Das on a slant twice a game. It's just but it just hasn't It hasn't been enough to lead to more or better results. He's not you know, obviously he's not Terrell Owens, but you know, to is the type of guy that would catch it over the middle like that and just he would just break through tackles. He was really good after the catch and Dez. We haven't

seen that out of Dez. He's lately or the last couple of years really just just really breaking tackles and just you know, because we say that like I'll want des back there in the open field for the punt return, but you know, they're giving him some plays in the open field here and on the offense, and he's not really taking advantage. It broke my heart that he couldn't get away from Derby on that like that he's been

he's been so good at it. He scored, he's scored it, Lee and I watched all his touchdowns a couple of summers ago. He scored at least five on that play of his. You know, fifty six career touchdowns, five or six of them have been on just that bubble screens set a corner. And Zack's got to get that ball up too though, Yeah, for sure, because there are a lot of plays where the ball's down low, it's it's they're catchable balls. But he could make it a lot

easier on his receiver, no doubt about it. You wonder. I mean, he's got two guys that are smurfs out there, you know, that he's got to throw are you Are you trying to say he's now accustomed to just throwing low because he's got a little Well, I'm just saying, behalf of smurfs everywhere, I don't appreciate that. I'm just saying, there are a couple of guys on the team that you can't throw it high, you know, And there was one to Beasley. I've seen YouTube videos of him dunking

so he can get up in the air. Okay, the one where he didn't jump. Beasley can jump at all. But like that ball was like that was one of the worst throws of Dak's night. Like that was a past to Beasley. There we go. That was you didn't think so Beasley was just like, I'm not going for that that. I thought it was high. It was high, Like I didn't think he had a shot at that ball. I like that would like that would have been a

dunk of all dunks. That would have been like a shock thunder dunk if he had gotten up there, and I know he was. There are several didn't land in the suits. I mean, you're making it sound like it was like I would I think you should go watch that. It was several feet above it. It was pretty high. Yeah, get some effort, jump for it. You just want to can jump for it just for the sake of jumping for it. Get your van Halen on this guy's he needs to stay off of Twitter. Yeah he's getting He's

just getting bad over there for him. Okay, here's a comment from Twitter. Cowboys got rid of Clayborn because he couldn't stay healthy. Maybe they need to do the same with Shawn Lee. Thoughts on that crazy comment. That's a I love the fans, but that's a dumb question and it's a dumb comparison because that's not why they got rid of Clayborn. It's not because he wasn't staying healthy. It's because he wasn't very good. He wasn't very good.

When he was healthy, he was okay, and he was a high draft pick that you thought maybe he's gonna turn it around, and his injuries hurt his consistency, but he wasn't playing at all world level, and when he wasn't in the game, you didn't see a huge difference. Sean Lee, unfortunately for the Cowboys, is just he plays so great when he's out there and when he's not. He has missed more than any so it's really tough to say we're gonna let you go because they need

him so bad. On top of well, just think of the numbers. Morris Claiborne was on his rookie deal. The Cowboys didn't pick up his fifth year option, probably because of his injury options. They let him walk away at no cost to them when his rookie deal was over. Shaan Lee is signed through I want to say at least two, if not three, more seasons, and to cut him would be to hurt your salary cap and you'd wind up paying him. You'd wind up paying the best

player on your defense not to play for you. And as frustrating as it might be for him to get hurt often, I'd still rather have him on the payroll and available to play when he's healthy than pay him not to play. Here I need to look at these numbers again, but I think adding in this season and

how much he's missed already this season. Since he got that in contract three years ago, it was like five years it was before the twenty thirteen season, he's probably lost a total of about four million dollars because of the way they structured it. They structured it too. If you're healthy, you're gonna make this. If you're not healthy and you miss games, you're gonna get this. And it's not going to be a great deal. It's not going

to be an elite linebacker deal. He's lost or combined about four million dollars if not more, because he has missed. So the Cowboys protected themselves within this type of situation. None of and for the record, none of that's to say like you have to stick your head in the sand about the situation. Like even with with Sean Lee and Jalen Smith under contract for the foreseeable future, I still think linebacker is a huge need for this team

in twenty eighteen. It's absolutely something whether you resign Anthony Hitchens or get another linebacker in here or draft somebody, it's absolutely something you have to do to ensure yourself against the future. But you're just creating problems for yourself from a talent standpoint and a money standpoint by trying to get rid of Shan Lee. Like it just doesn't make sense. Yep. Let's get a call from a horse in Atlanta. Horse, what up? Stay? What's up? Guys? Hey?

I wanted to take you to test Nick on a couple of things that you said last couple of days and actually last week too. Like you know, Anthony Brown has been an okay, he's been a feeling he's not a good cornerback. He said that last week that he was good. Derek asked you about that. He has given up more than half of the touchdowns that have been thrown to receivers. He's been the culprit, he's been the person that they've picked on. And that's not a good

cornerback to me. Somebody who gives up half the touchdowns. Second, you know, he said Jack was not as good as Witch, and I think Derek was correct. They have switched their roles. They lost Lane Johnson last year and you can see a difference in how they played versus how they played this year. And I know they lost Teeters this year, but they also learn from that and there tackle got better so that when they did lose a perennial Pro

bowler that they were able to adjust. The Cowboys haven't needed to adjust anybody except Free, who has always been mediocre. But you know, we got somebody better in Collins. But we've never had to adjust to losing the Tyrone Smith, who is really arguably one of the best tackles in the entire NFL. So it's kind of hard to sell

that spot. So I wouldn't say that DAK, I mean, because you know, you wouldn't say that Phil Simms was better than four Ekman when they lost those two games when Emmet Smith sat out, you know, so you can't say that Dak is not as good as wins. I wouldn't say that at all. But I do want to know one thing. Can Charles Tapper come back? Because I'm

really tired of seeing Taco out there? Just give me one tackle a game he has him and Tapper and Tacco have the same amount of sacks, and Taco has five more tackles than he does, and that's just ridiculous. All right, thanks for the call, Thank you, thank you.

I hadn't thought about Charles Tapper in a while. Yeah, I kind of dismissed him within the uh within like I mean, like just in terms of the rules, like you could bring him back, But I just I don't think I thought he was out for that's his injury. His injuries just he no like he could come back if he were healthy, but he won't be healthy in time like I don't. He's done in his eight weeks in the IRN. He's been on ir long enough that he could come back. He got just not ready to

come back. All right, let me let me address this since I've been taken to task. Uh Anthony Brown, Um, I think that he If I said he is good, I mean, I mean he there's been times where he has been pretty good. Um, but you know, I thought he was good against Kansas City for sure, against against Tyree Hill, I thought he had a really nice game there. He's a he's the fastest cornerback that you've got on the team. Uh. Do they need to upgrade from him? Sure,

if he was your fourth corner, that would be great. Um. Now that he's your third corner and that's not that's not you know where he probably needs to be. But I think for his development where they drafted him, the skill set that he has, about his speed, I mean, he's good enough to be on the team. I'm not saying that you're you're set because you have Anthony Brown. Um. I mean if you didn't watch the game Sunday, I'm sorry. I mean, wins is better than Dak. I don't know

how you can really say. If you want to say that all this stuff about who was missing, that's fine, But I'm just talking about from the skill set right now, Carson Wentz is a better quarterback than Dak. He was better in the draft. That's why one guy's taken in the fourth round, one guy's taken second. Overall. It's just that's just the way that that it is. I mean, I don't I love Dak. I think Dad's a really great, great quarterback, and I don't think I would even trade

for him for for Wins. I'm just saying it's pretty obvious that I think Wins is better. And yes, he's got he's got he's got some weapons around him, but I mean Dad, I mean Dak has weapons. I mean Dad has some players here. These these wide receivers are supposed to be good. He doesn't make the throws that Wins does. Winz has a better thrower, and from a mobility standpoint, it's not that much of a difference. Dak is probably a more mobile player, but it's not that

much of a difference. As their pocket presence and their arm strength and I mean their accuracy throwing the ball. To me, that's not a knock on. I mean, Dak Okay Wentz is one of the best young quarterbacks in the NFL. Like, that was a great pick for Philadelphia. He's gonna be there for a long time. Simson Aikman like like really, like that's a real comparison that they never were on the same sentence ever. Ever, Sims and

Aikman not even not even comparable. I think the point of what he was saying with that, though, is that when Emmett was out, the fact that they didn't win while Emmett was out, you can't make the claim. You can't Dingan. I said in a week two, I said in a week two and they got beat by twenty five points. I said it. I said, Dak Prescott, that's my guy. Like this guy, he could play for me a day. And they got beat. They didn't play well. Zeke was there sort of in that game against Denver.

I mean, like, but I said it, like even with a loss. I'm not talking about wins and losses. I'm just talking about what they did. I thought Dak showed you a lot that game, and I think the Cowboys have a great quarterback for years to come. And I wouldn't trade him for anybody in the division anywhere anything. I think that that's great. So all I'm saying is is that Carson Wentz at this point is a more

developed quarterback. And if that's not the case, thirty two teams aren't gonna let him go for four full rounds while this guy went number two overall. I mean, of course he's more polished right now, but that doesn't mean that he can't give you some things. And you know, when you surround him with better players, I mean, it'll

be a great battle for years to come. But I mean, wouldn't we all agree wins is a little bit further along the deck, think for different reasons, Like I don't know if the draft at this point, draft doesn't matter to me, because you get that wrong all the time. Quarterbacks get drafted at the top of the draft and

aren't very good. But I will say that just the way they're performing this season, you look at some of the throws that Wentz makes you look at you look at how he's able to escape pressure and create the situation where teams are even like when they get to him, they're still not getting him down. I think from that standpoint he went based upon that. To me right now, is playing better than Dak. I still don't know if I say one is definitively better than the other. I

just think he's playing better this year. He's having a phenomenal year. He's probably gonna be League MVP if he keeps this up. That's how good of a season he's having. Yeah, I think there's a little bit of selective memory going on there, Like DA Dak has had those moments this season as well, Like go back to and their games as consistently as wins. Probably not. And that's my point. And and Dak has fallen out of the MVP rate, like you know, that was an argument you could have

made a month ago. You can't make it anymore, especially after these last two games that Dak was an MVP candidate. I think like he was trending toward being there. Yeah, especially if they had weathered this Oh yeah, if they had weathered this storm better obviously, Yeah, I said a month ago. Yeah, but he was. He was, absolutely he was playing. His numbers were right there with Dak or with wins when they were done beat in Kansas City. They really were. After that three game win, stry. Yeah,

I got and it hasn't happened. It's been a rough month for the entire offense Dak as well. Honestly, go ahead, I want to throw this point out real quick about Wins, Like you all these weapons that these guys have around him. These are these are guys that nobody really wanted. I mean not, I mean they've kind of are somewhat cast offs. I mean Tory Smith wasn't a guy that was doing a lot of great things, and Nelson Aguilar was almost a bust. And you know in Alshan Jeffrey, they get

moved on from him from Chicago. So I'm just saying he is making these guys play at a better level than they were playing before. But I think it's also a matter of how they've been cast. Like a guy like Tory Smith, when he's asked to come in and be a third receiver versus being a number one receiver in Baltimore, maybe you get a lot more out of

him playing that role than being the number one guy. Right, this whole thing is really boring to me because it's like you're trying to ask me, like how the movie's gonna end after ten minutes, Like what like, it's way too early to try to have the type of blanket conversations like it's fun for fans. I think it's boring and lazy to try to dictate this argument after a season and a half, like sense, give me some time, all right, give them some time. We appreciate you joining us, guys.

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