Cowboys Break: Sack Party?

one transaction that happened yesterday. Cowboys release Terrell Bash him. He wasn't active against the Giants, spent a lot of this season on injured Was he on injured reserve or just out? Yeah, he was on injured reserve. So I hadn't really played a ton for them this year. Why now? Why? Why? Why?

Why make the move now? Well, it sounds like I mean they you know, last week was kind of interesting because they put Tyck McKinley up from They called him up, which you only get three of these, So they called him up and then didn't play him. So that was kind of weird. And I think it was mainly because they're trying to figure out all these guys that were sick and do they need him or not, So you wouldn't waste to call up if you were going to keep doing that with him, He's gonna get moved up

at some point. So McKinley, I think that's the one of the reasons there. I mean, the main reason is he's not playing that great. I mean, he's not. They got so many guys, I mean, how many pass rushers do you need? Not even by playing great, he's just not playing right, I'm not playing And he's not better than you know. I mean, I I think he's comfortable to Fowler, but they like Fowler better and he's got more production. So but McKinley, I think it's the big reason.

You know, I was gonna say that it was surprising to me and when I think back, okay, this happened, and then the Tristan Hill situation, and then going back to where before the deadline for trading, and when we were thinking, okay, who were who were some guys that you could possibly use to trade, to form some kind of trade to bring somebody in. It just it's just interesting to think that you would just get rid of two guys that you've talked about even if he wasn't playing.

He's a guy whose name was mentioned quite a lot. You saw some talent and potential there, But to think that it was just you know, neither of those two guys specifically defensive ends or at the defensive line that you were kind of got some use out of them and just kind of decided to get rid of them. Yeah. I played really well in the preseason. If you remember, it was one of those things where you were kind of training camp. You were like going him armstrong, those guys.

You were kind of like, oh, maybe they've got something here. You know. Then you start to think about with Sam Williams and you know Fowler and all that, and I think Nick is dead on right. This was more about wanting to see Tack McKinley play. You know. This is about like trying to find a way to to you know,

get him potentially on the field. Dan Quinn has a little bit of history with him, you know, understands his game and you know maybe could help you a little bit and some of that that, you know, the combo of being a run defender and all so being a pass rusher. Uh so. Yeah, and and to Ambar's point too. I know, talking to a lot of guys around the league during the trading deadline though that Basham's name was being thrown out there. That was a name that people like.

I had a couple of teams say, yeah, you guys are kind of moving some guys. I'm like really, and Basham was one of the name And they end up moving on from guys that were on that, you know, on that trade deadline that you know, when you talk about, you know, with Tristan Hill, they're okay, we move on from him, and then Basham, Well, hey we got a guy, we like what we're seeing in the guy, and let's you know, let's give him a go here. So not

not surprising in that way. It's three guys. Really, if you think about back to the preseason, you're like, okay, Basham and then Tristan Hill and Ridgeway. I mean, Bashway it was a guy that they thought, oh he was gonna make it, you know, but but Bohanna played better. This is other guys has played better. And Sam Williams is development is a big part of this too. They might have made a mistake on Ridgeway because starting any well, yeah, and I'm playing Overyeah was playing over there. I mean,

make it tackles. See, that's the thing that plays in Arkansas. They were keeping the keeping the wide receivers, you know, they kept that wide receiver room kind of intact. And then you know, they went they kept all those guys, and then all of a sudden, you're like, well, these

guys are playing just okay, you know. And and so then you sacrifice a defensive tackle that you know that you know when you're struggling against the run and not all of it is inside, but you're maybe a guy that down the line, you know, and Nick, you know, covers Arkansas loves Arkansas. I've seen a guy play a bunch. I mean he was a he was a kind of

a difference maker as a big guy in there. And you're kind of like thinking, well, why you get rid of an offensive defensive lineman and then they go off and play and then you're looking at your wide receiver situation and go, well, you just could have very easily moved on from you know, one of these guys Hill if you're going to cut him eventually, I mean, just let him go. I think I think they got caught in a situation where if they were to do that over, Yeah,

they wouldn't put it put Ridgeway out there. They just wouldn't have done well. It goes to what you were talking about yesterday. Coaches tend to like what they know, right, Yeah, And so you get in a situation like that where you're kind of debating Tristan Hill a Ridgeway and they're probably like, yeah, you know, I think we want to give Tristni a little bit more of an opportunity. We think we might have something well see. And also, I

talked to some teams last night. I think Basham is going to get claimed, just from listening to some teams. Some of the guys that I talked to around the league, they're like, well, what did you know? Is he a bad guy? I'm like, no, no, no training camp everything. You know, they were asking me my opinion on him, and you know, they'd studied the tape on him. So I have a feeling today that you guys will probably write a little blip that he got claimed by somebody.

You know, listen to what talking to guys from last night. There are obviously a few ahead. Then for one more thing, I said that about Tych McKinley, and I do believe McKinley's going to play, but they could still elevate him a couple of times. His roster spot they have fifty two. That roster spot, by Baschlor may not go to McKinley. It could go to James Washington, who because he's not on the practice squad, you could just move him over

if they decide to do that. They have to do that today, and if that's what they're gonna do, maybe they could. So it is today a deadline, No, No, I just think that they've talked about it. I mean, Jerry's Washington, James Washington. Yes, but they're going to activate the twenty one day window practice right he could play

if yeah, he want him to. So I'm just saying McKinley may not be the fifty third right now, but him playing and getting on the field with reps, it's probably you know, this whole thing with Odell Beckham and Washington. I really do believe that they were tied together because I didn't think they wanted to make two moves for

wide receivers. I just really didn't. And maybe it's one of those things where they're preparing themselves for getting him practice time and getting him ready and get him acclimated again in like, Okay, if the Beckham thing doesn't work out, then we'll plug him in. But I was talking to somebody in the team and they're like, they're really not connected. But I just don't. I just you know, making two moves at wide receiver, you know, to add Beckham and

then to have to add Washington, you know. I mean, you're like, I just didn't think they wanted to do that. I mean, a veteran receiver that don't play special teams d you need? Yeah, I mean, yeah, one's really dynamic obviously, and I'd be ready yet that that's the whole thing is about it. What's the knee looking? There's there's teams, by the way, there's people around the league that I'm talking to again last night that believe that Beckham's gonna

end up in Buffalo. There's people saying that that that they feel like that he could very well end up in Buffalo. I guess that's the last of the last things that at a guy tell me, I'd a guy tell me. He said, listen, you think he wants to go to New York and play on that turf? He was he was. He was complaining about the turf. The Giants lost, somebody lost, the receiver lost, a player on the turf got all messed up, and you're like, the

guy goes. You think he wants to go play on that turf after he's complaining about it, Well, well he's but he But the thing about it is they're saying, because Buffalo's, Buffalo's medical staff might just clear him, and and maybe that you'll get others will be like, maybe Dallas would be a little bit more, little bit more, Well, the knees not really this And I mean, nobody's gonna know this because we talked about this yesterday. You could

bring him in and all that. But I had people tell me, you know, is he going to work out for you? Is he going to go out on the field and physically work out for you? That's how you would tell you could pull on and push on the knee and all that. But the guy told me around in the league, he says, when is a veteran player

ever gone in and worked out for somebody like that? Yeah, I mean, but I don't know that that's necessarily a precursor here, Like, yeah, I honestly, the way I look at this as much as we've heard Jerry talk about the fact that they are definitely in this question they want him. Yeah, I don't know that that would be the thing that stopped them from saying, like I think they want their medical staff obviously to look at it. Absolutely, I don't know that getting him to do a workout

is necessarily a precursor. And quite frankly, the way I look at it is, yeah, there's a chance he goes to Buffalo. I mean, obviously he's gonna go to Buffalo before he comes to Dallas. But also I'm hearing from a lot of people and Michael Irvan this morning talking on Sean and RJ on one on five out three the Fan, and he was like, Hey, I know, Olddel, I've talked to him, I've talked this shortly. He has

always wanted to play in Dallas. That has been something he's always wanted to do because of the fact he's got family here and he's just always wanted to play for this team. So there's there's a lot of factors here. And no, there's no question. I mean I'm on the seventy five percent train of him being here and then but the more you talk to people around the league. There's doubt, there's there's there's creative doubting. But here's the thing. The way I look at it is I always look

at it like, who's gonna be doing the selling. I don't know who's doing the selling in Buffalo. I know the guy doing the selling here. He's probably one of the best sellers and I've ever met. So I'm gonna bet on the fact that if it comes down to selling and if he really wants him, yeah, if he really wants him, I don't think there's I think he'll probably end up on Can I ask you a question? This might be unfair to you. Then, since you've taken that approach, do you worry about Jerry over right? Do

you do? You do you worry about the situation where if Jerry wants the guy, he gets the guy. Do you think he gets any interference from Stephen on this one? I don't think so. Okay, I don't think so. I mean, I think I think at the end of the day, I know it's probably an unfair question. I think, honestly, I think and I know there's a lot of talk about Jerry Steven that hole, that nature let's be honest. At the end of the day, if Jerry really wants something,

I totally agree. I don't care who in the building, including Steven, that doesn't want it. Jerry is still in the position where he is the final safe. Absolutely. Yeah, and let's let's not forget that that that's a good thing. I mean, like like him. Everyone knows the story pushed him up against the wall against you know, with Deon and is this a smart move and all this kind of stuff. But I mean, you know, you don't have Zach Martin and you have and you have Johnny Manzel.

If somebody doesn't stand up to Jerry to Jerry sometimes and go, this isn't the best move for us. So it's not the worst thing in the world to have a guy that says, all right, let's think about this long term, you know. And they still got yeah, well they got Deon, but but but yeah, you might do whatever it takes to get Odell Beckham. And then and you know, March comes and you're like, dang, we lost Pollard, we lost this guy. We lost this guy. Will we

home the money? But you got Odell, who we played two games for me and limped around for a little bit, you know. I mean, like he somebody has to think about next year, and I know everyone's just focused all in, but that's that's not the way it works. Ask you guys something. And since we don't know what's going to happen, and we've seen it before, we're like Earl Thomas, we talked about him since forever and ever actually happened. We

know this is something very well well different fact. Yeah, but um in an instance that it does not happen for whatever reason. Uh, Based on what you've seen so far since Dak's return and how the offense has been operating, do you guys currently feel that this offense, specifically talking about the wide receiver position, is this offense enough to be competitive to that level without the need of adding extra talent at the white receiver? Has your mind changed

whatsoever so far? Remember that question we had yesterday about who would you who's going to help you more? Tyrann Smith or Odell Beckham. Yeah, See that's the thing I look at To answer your question. I just focus back to the Green Bay game in that fourth and three and I just know this guy can go and make plays. I mean, can he make two three of those a game that that might be all you need. You know, that might be all you need. He might have five targets.

Nick went through the targets with you yesterday. It seemed like it was eleven and it was five. It was three, it was five, it was seven. It was kind of if I know that five times, I'm gonna throw them the ball and he's gonna probably catch the ball all five times. I have a feeling they're gonna be big, big, big plays. I do. I just feel like third down, four downs, you know the way that this coach goes for it, you know, throw it at this guy separates in the red zone. You know you could throw the

ball to him down there. He's gonna make somebody miss. I'm I'm the guy that is. I'm about pushing the chips now, and I think the owner is too. Yeah, I think the owner. And that's why I asked Derek that question, because I think the owner will tell Stevens like, listen, I'm eighty years old. Have you've seen what's going on in this conference? Right now? Brady ain't worth a damn right now, Rogers ain't even part of this thing. We gotta go beat San Francisco or Philadelphia who we almost

beat with a backup quarterback and three turnovers. Yeah, everything. Yeah, you gotta give me this one last shot here. You figure this thing out. If like Nick told you, which was great information yesterday, if you have Beckham contract, you gotta think about CD contract two. Yeah, that's great information right there. You know you're I'm sure I'm looking to see him like you figure it out. You figure it out. I'm eighty damn years old. You know I might not

have another run at this again. You know, you figure this out. And I think the thing about it too, is you this um kind of lost my thought. I was just gonna let me, let me just jump in then, because I think Will McClay has the factor into this as well. And not and and project Okay is uh, how old is Odell? I don't even thirty years old? Okay, so thirty one two thirty three year old Odell Beckham?

You know if he wants to four year deal? Yeah right, that's my story because I want the player right now. But I think it's it's important though, to have to look at what he's going to do next year, the year after. I mean, this is an investment this is what you you know, I kind of compared to the Dion Sanders thing. He's played seven eight years. But we're doing this for that last half of his career, the last few years, last big contract for him. It's not

just about these few games. Does he fit into what you're trying to do for the next couple of years. Yeah, I think I think that's what they have to figure out. I will throw us out. I just remember what else.

Trying to say that, I still believe I'm being cautiously optimistic because that we talked about this weeks ago, and I said at the time, I was one of people are like, I don't know about this kind of signing because what I still don't know is is he Odell Beckham Junior that I'm used to sing, We don't know that. And so if he is. If he is, this will be a signing that could definitely put them over the top. To answer your question, this is the kind of signing

that you get guy like this. I guarantee you it can pay dividends if he is the Odell Beckham that he was, because it certainly did for the Rams in that Super Bowl. He was having a game before he was a. Yeah, he was having a game, and so you put you had that kind of player to what you already have. Now I look at this offense and say, man,

is the offense as good as the defense? Maybe they are right, and that's where you're really working with something, and you can contend with the teams like Philadelphia, like San Francisco, like the Chiefs, like the Bills, like you have that level of talent where you can compete with all those teams and don't feel in any way that you're compromised. I think he can provide that kind of value for you if he is Oldell Beckham that he

was before. Remember when we were waiting for Dak's return and the thumb and you asked the question about like, okay, is ninety percent Dak better than what you got it with a Cooper Rush and what he was doing at the time. So same question, what would be the least I'm on a percentage that you would take an Odell beck You're not supposed to ask question. Those are my question. Now that's from my games. What do you do? I'm gonna use that on the radio. By the way, I'm

gonna use that on the radio. I'm gonna steal if I'll give you credit, there a g I don't know if you give me, you give him firt of all, Let's think about it like this, he's gonna be if if you think he's gonna be your third wide receiver. We talked about that yesterday where he falls on the depth chart, Let's say he's at least your third wide receiver. I do think in eighty percent, Odell Beckham Junior is probably better than Noel Brown, Right, so he adds value

to you at eighty percent, maybe seventy five percent. I was going, I was going around sixty five. Ye at sixty five, I am just because I feel like though there could be those two or three players a game, there could be that you know, it's it's you know,

they run the ball and run the ball. Oh wait, it's now it's third and six, you know, and now you need Okay, he's gonna shake somebody for a gain of eight or shake somebody for ten, you know, and then you're gonna keep playing the game, keep playing the game, and then you know they're gonna get down the goal line and it's gonna it's gonna be like it was like in the other day third and fifteen, they have to throw a clutch pass to Dalton Schultz to convert.

I'm thinking, and you got a guy like Beckham, you know, it's maybe sixty five percent, you know, catches that ball beat somebody, you know, get separation a little bit easier throw. That's kind of what I'm thinking about, you know what. I think that's kind of I think it's a great question.

But I also think in a way it's irrelevant because it Odell's gonna want one hundred percent of the money, you know, so if it takes it where you want to go, which is true super Bowl's And that's why I came back to what I said about the next year and the next year, like if you think, okay, we'll see what he can do. Can he help you a little bit a couple of plays a game like that, but then the next year, like you've got a really

dynamic Yeah, That's That's where I'm at. Though. Two to me, I'm willing to if as a fan, I would be willing for them to try. You know, if you if you just try for me, you know, and if it doesn't work out, I can't blame you. You tried, you know, as a fan, you're like that, you can't call into our show here one oh five three and yell and say, oh, the Cowboys sucked it, don't do you know? No, you can't because they tried. I can't. I can do a

little bit, though. If you pay him really good money to come in at the end of the season and do this and then we'll see what happens in the next couple of years, then you should have kept up Mary Cooper. That's what I view. You should have kept a Marie Cooper if that's what you want, because I think a Marie Cooper is probably better than Odell Beckham, right, Yeah. But my issue with that is that I don't think they got rid of they got rid of a Mark Cooper.

I think because they just didn't want him on this team, and that wasn't necessarily about and I didn't have a problem with them making that move. The problem I had was they didn't go in and get me more talent. If you're saying this particular guy doesn't fit our culture, he doesn't fit what we're trying to do, right, Okay, Fine, that's that's your choice. But don't just assume that I'm going to leave that back, and then I need you to explain that. I mean, I just if that's the case,

then explain what he doesn't do for your culture. He's a quiet guy that that doesn't really rufle feathers. He wanted to take a pay cut, he gets open, he's a good route runner. I mean what I'm sorry, I mean, I don't, Well, we know the elephant in the room that you can start with, but I mean, maybe it's all those things. Point is, they're not the general manager. They're not gonna They're not gonna come out and say that.

But but the point is, the point is I do what are you really saying, verb run, I took a page out of your book. Point is, they're not They're not. They're not. They didn't go out and spend the money that they saved. If you're gonna save that money because you just didn't think he was the fit, then go out and spend the money and get a replacement, because we see they are clearly in the work for a wide receiver. But they will tell you that they got

better on defense because they got rid of him. Yeah, they will tell you because we get we were able to sign him and the Randy Gregory and all that. They will tell you, they will be quick to tell you that the money we saved on all this, we

we we got better because they're helping. I mean, and Hooker and uh Fowler and Armstrong and and you know, James Washington not so much, but I mean, but those guys, you know, yeah, that season would have been lost had they not been the way that they have been on defense, especially when you had Cooper Rush. And Cooper Rush did a nice job. But man, I don't even want to think of how many games we would have lost. You'd look like the Packers. You'd be like the Packers defense.

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Welcome back to the second segment of the Break, presented by Blockchain Doctor being there. We go, all right, so Derek had to step out and for the rest of the show. But we're going to finish. We have to get now into the Indianapolis offense versus the Dallas defense. So Brian take it away. Derek's first question has always what do they do best? What do they do worse?

I think, you know, they've got a really legitimate weapon, and with their running back with Jonathan Taylor, that's something that you know, they don't score a lot of points. They haven't. They've struggled on their offensive side of the ball. The one thing that they can do is they will they will run the football with this guy, and so

you have to be ready for it, you know. And with Jonathan Taylor, it's it's inside, it's outside, it's inside, bounce, it's you know, he's a he's a he's a physical runner. He's not the tallest guy, you know, it's not one of these you know, big, but he's really thick and he's powerful. And what happens to you is if you don't get a good shot on him or get bodies

to them. He will break tackles and continue on. I've seen several games this year where he's just carried the pile going forward, you know, for extra yards and stuff like that. So if you kind of go up and halfheartedly try and tackle him, wrap him up, he'll break that tackle and then he'll find a way to continue on and get yards. There's been some struggle the offensive line at times. I mean I watched the Philadelphia game.

You know, I've watched the games that they played with Jeff Saturday as the coach, because that's a different offensive coordinator now with what they've done in the past, but you still have the thread of him running the football, and you know, that's something I think you're going to

have to deal with with them. Matt Ryan being the quarterback, they've gone back to him that Sam Ellinger, he got the opportunity and then you know, when Saturday took the job, he said, no, we're going to play with you know, Matt Ryan gives us the best opportunity to win. The ball is going to come out really really quick. You know,

that's the whole idea. Matt Ryan does not want to hold the football, so everybody with the Cowboys in the secondary, it's going to be about routes, quick routes, the tight end, the drag routes, things like that. Underneath most of his throws out of the way or to the right. It's either middle to right the game. I mean, it just seems like that's where he's the most comfortable throw in the football. So we'll see what happens in this game. I like Michael Pittman. He's a big, tall, lanky receiver,

likes to run those inside routes. Alec Pierce is another guy that they drafted from Cincinnati. I liked him coming out of the draft. Super tough kid in the way he plays. And then they get Paris Campbell involved too. I could say, a lot of routes to the right, a lot of routes in the middle of the field. Jilannie Woods, they're tight end. Had a really nice game.

If you watched the Monday night game, you saw him, So he had a little bit, Yeah, he had a little bit of a reassurgence of you know what he was able to do. He was a really good college player. But yeah, Quintin Nelson up front at guard is comparable to what you have with Zach Martin. So yeah, it's a team that you kind of go. Man. Their records shouldn't be this bad, but they struggle to score points.

And but you have to me personally, I would try and take Pittman out of this game and then commit everything to trying to stop Jonathan Taylor from running the ball. Is what I would do. When you have a guy like Matt Ryan, and I think the Cowboys have had success with quarterbacks that don't really run a lot. But when the ball gets out quick, where do you think

Michael Parsons can be the most effective in that? I would rush him, like I would say, you know, if you rush him off, the would be the Cowboys right side because the ball is going everything I would want I want if I was the Cowboys, and this would be my plan of attack. I want Matt Ryan seeing Michael Parsons rushing and feel that. And so to me, if you put him on the side where if you put him to what would be Matt Ryan's right, which

would be defensive left. Because the games I was watching three games I was watching, the ball was like I say, it was middle right, middle right, middle right the whole game, and so to me, if you rush him where he where that pressure, where he's throwing, the direction he's throwing, the chances for tip passes because the ball gets out of his hand quick. It's when people make him hold that that's where you see the sacks. That's where you see So to me, it's not on the back side.

You know, it's not on the back side, even though they've got a rookie left tackle, you know, with a Raymond on the Raymond on the back side there, I kind of feel like that they will put him to the where the side that Ryan's throwing the ball, so he can he sees him, but he could also he feels and if you could get him to hold it. Like I said, that's where you're going to get that sack. So the team they've allowed more sacks than any other teams. Yeah,

total of like forty three. And my question would be going back to Nack as seeing up on Michael Parson. Is this where you guys would focus on just pressuring and attacking the quarterback or do you kind of find a way to split and drive some of that attention on stopping the run. Yeah, I would if I'm the Cowboys, I would worry about because they're going to try and protect Matt Ryan from not getting sacked. And to do that,

it's about staying ahead of the chains. It's about like what the you know, with the almost what like the teams that have played the Cowboys, they don't want the Cowboys to like the Packers. The Cowboys didn't as the Packers didn't want the Cowboys to put them in second and long, third and long all day. They're like, listen, let's play ahead of the chains. Let's make it second and four, second and three. You know they're gonna try.

I say, if I'm the Colts, I try and run the ball first and say, Okay, I'm gonna try and stay ahead, stay on schedule, and then that way maybe the pass rush won't be attacking won't be you know, because if you if they have like to say, the Minnesota game plan where they just come out and say we're just gonna throw, We're just gonna keep throwing, you know that that could be like you're just talking about all those sacks. You know, just it's funny when you

watch the sacks. When Ryan he will he'll hold it and you know when he holds it, there's probably gonna get sacked because he's it's like he holds it and now he's having to reset and then delivered the ball. By that time the rush is on him. He is not the most mobile, even though we've seen him run. He scrambled for some for some some decent games, but that's not his game. It's like, get the ball out of the hand, try and get it short, and try

and attack the and drive. You know, teams are making the Colts just try and drive the football and have success doing that. But if you can, if you can, I think the way to make the Colts one dimensional is how your offense plays. You just score and score and score and score, and that that puts a lot of press. They don't score a lot of points, so then it turns into now Michael Parsons and these guys

getting to rush the passer. Yeah, people that play fantasy football, they obviously know Jonathan Taylor because he's a He's a great fantasy player, number one pick in a lot of drafts this year, but he doesn't get viewed a lot as you know, kind of an underrated superstar. Compare him to other running backs like no, not so much in the league now but like his style compared to former backs, they're just guy. I mean, he's a fast guy. He's

a big compact. I mean yeah, I mean he's the thing about when you when you watch when you watch him play, the thing that I've always been super oppressed by him is he's he's like five ten, he's two hundred and twenty six pounds, two hundred and twenty eight pounds, and so you're, you know, you're, you're the quickness and the explosiveness you know of these back I mean I was thinking like, like, well, I was thinking guys like Lord's.

I mean, lt was Ladaniel Thomas I think was a little bit of a shorter a little bit shorter guy maybe, you know when when you talk about the running styles and stuff like that, I was kind of thinking like a Fred Taylor too. From jack you know Jackson, kind of the little bit of he's got really he's quick, he could be explosive, he's hard to bring down. Yeah, yeah, that that mean when you mean, but this guy, I mean, the thing about is how thick he is, and you

see the piles move with him. You know when you like I say, you have to get teams that have made him kind of play sideways, and I mean play sideways, like he gets the ball and now he's bouncing and he's still kind of going. It's when he can kind of get his shoulders turned and go forward that he

has his best. But you know when you when you talk about he catches the ball, well too, they'll throw him screens, they'll flip him to him out, you know, in a swing routes and stuff like that, So you have to kind of be ready for that as well. Kind of under really a complete back for the for the Colts. Let's go ahead and take our final break and when we come back, we'll keep discussing the matchup between their offense and the Cowboys defense. The season is

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that's not That's a bad sound all right. So Brian, you can mentioning how they don't score a lot of points, which is true, and just to give people an idea, they've only scored twenty one or more points twice the whole season, thirty four versus Jacksonville and then twenty five against the Rams. Uh they've also they win both games. Do you know does it say that they won one game out of those two? Sure, they beat Jacksonville with

thirty four points. I can't imagine the jagsers roll in that. Man. Yeah, they beat the Jaguars and then where's the other one. Anyways, that's okay. They'll score a lot of points. Yeah, their drives. You know, they were going into what game was it? There was a there was a point. It was against the Raiders. I don't know why I say the Rams, but it was they did they won that game? Yeah? That was Jeff Saturday first. Yeah. The thing about that they were a team that struggled with with opening drives

two in games they didn't they were struggling. They don't score on opening drives any points at all. That's that was something that they're dealing with. But you know, this game for the Cowboys, I think it's really going to be about your offense. I think it's but you know, you you put a lot of pressure, like we just mentioned, like we're talking about they don't score points, you make them have to keep up. It's going to be hard for them. It's going to be hard. They don't want

to play that kind of game. They really really don't want to play that kind of game because they just they've got good receivers. I respect the heck out of Michael Pittman. I did when he came out of college. I think Alec Pierce was one of my guys that I you know, I had a really high grade coming out of Cincinnati. You know, they've got guys that are capable of making their tall, long guys that can give you problems. They're great contested catchers. They're just not those downfield,

you know type of players. And you know, Matt Ryan just that's kind of not his game. He used to be able to throw the ball down the fielding and you just don't see it as much now. Maybe after watching some film against Anthony Brown and stuff like that,

that they'll figure out. You know, maybe we need to try, you know, ki Ki Kuti and try and just take him on a vertical route and see if he runs past you know, see if he runs past you know Brown, and we can you know, either get a penalty out of it or uh, you know, make a catch and take you off the rails for a second. I mean, I feel like we've we've talked about their offense and then they struggle whatever. Um, You've been around in the NFL for a long time and I guess I have too.

But like, do you were you offended by the fact that Jeff Saturday got that head coaching job? No, me either, I really wasn't. And if I could explain real quick, I'll try and explain you to me. I can't explain anything quick. Um, you know, I've I'm the guy that me personally that I look at I look at these these jobs for coaches, and it used to be, well, you know, I've never been more wrong about a guy than I was, or Meyer never been more wrong about a guy. I saw Urban Meyer as a program builder.

Whether it was a Bowling Green, whether it was at Utah, whether it was at Florida, whether it was an Ohio state. I always saw a program builder there. I saw a guy with a plan and all that he gets the NFL, he's an absolute disaster. He can't treat he doesn't how to treat people. His demeanor, he thinks he has all the answers. You know, it's you know, he doesn't know

how to treat the players. There's no interaction there. And so here's one of the most most highly decorated college coaches in the country and he goes to a pro team and just completely botches it up. And then so you're thinking, like, well, if you got guys like that, you know, we've seen guys like Nick Sabe and go to the Dolphins eight and eight and then go back to college and just fine. So there are coaches two and fourteen in there as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I mean that's that's kind of where you're at. That you think that these guys that are highly touted and prepare and ready and all that, and they get these programs, they get screw it up just as bad as a guy that's never coached. You know. I think I think there's so much about managing people today in sports and in life. I think managing people is a skill that a lot of guys and gals, the ones

that have that ability are going to be successful. And I think Jeff Saturday, you know, to be honest with you, and watching the Colts play, they could have won all three games that Jeff Saturday's coached in. They had Philadelphia on the ropes. You know, they gave up a late they gave up a late touchdown. You know. The game management, Okay, that was in the Money Night game. You saw the lack of game management or time management in that game

got him in a little bit of trouble. And he came back afterwards and said managed to have used the timeouts. So that kind of experience. But to be honest with you, they could have won. They won the game against the Raiders. They had Philadelphia on the ropes if they just you know, if they don't just kick field goals or somehow they can score, move the ball and score, you know, and you know, and they had they had the Steelers, I mean, they had the Steelers where kind of where they needed

to have him. So and I I agree with you there. I know there's a lot of people that think it's prepared. Coaches can screw this up to yeah, but and you could tell the way McCarthy kind of answered it where he thinks where he lies on this. You know, as an old school coach, it's like, you know, there's a coaching tree. There's a lot of guys doing it the right way. But I'll say this, like we'll play ten years in the league and be a seven eight time pro bowler. I mean do that. I mean they have

experience as well. I mean I get it if you just get handed a job. But you know, that's that's that's what I was saying. I was just about to say, Dion Sanders at Jackson State and then to get a job here. Yeah, exactly. He's in a situation right now where he you know we talk about with the prime prep and all that kind of a you know, kind of a little bit of crazy stuff going on there. But he goes to Jackson State with the attenta. What

does he do. He gets people to rally around him, He has people that believe in him, He evaluates the right way. His it helps his son is probably one of the better quarterbacks in the country right now. You know, it's helping the program. But that's that's that's what it takes. It go in there and organize and and you know, delegate and and and make people have responsibility. That's what Jeff Saturday's done. He get they got rid of the coordinator, they got rid of the head coach, and he made

a guy a first time play card. Yeah. Sure, it's not translating into a lot of points, but he's delegated those guys play hard for him even though he's not. But to your point, he played a lot of years in this league and he was a Pro Bowl type player. Yeah, there's I know that that's a big storyline with the Colts right now. There's a lot of people offended by that, and I'm not at all I'm not either, but but I mean it's there's there's a lot of elements and a

a lot of layers to that. And and because you said Dion, I'll just say this too, Dion. The exposure that he has created for HBC schools is absolutely and and that that wherever he goes to another place, he's left that landscape uh much better than than it was. No. He and you know the thing about now too, with him, he can go in the transfer portals and things like that,

where he can go out. If he goes to a Power five, you know Deon is going to be able to recruit and so he'll get players to come play for him, and all kids play, they play hard for him, These kids dads, Yeah, they idolized. And I'm at the kids too because it's still a figure. Yeah. And to me, that's you know again about the coult situation, that you don't have to you don't have to be a guy that has You don't have to be Bill Walsh as a coach. These coaches come from all walks of life.

You know, the guy down in Miami, you know McDonald you know, yeah, McDaniel, and what he's doing down there, it's incredible, you know, I mean his look at his background, look at the look at those look at his background. I mean he kind of went along and but he was always kind of the lower tier guy. I was

with Sean Payton. You know Sean Payton, you talk about the lower I mean, Sean Payton was getting coffee for guys in Philadelphia and now he's you know, one of the you know, most most decorated and highly recognized coaches. Everybody's background is different when it comes to coaching you and I just think that it's it's it's fine. You don't have to have the best guy well, I recently started reading up about the whole situation, and I feel like I don't know enough just yet to even form

my own opinion on the subject. But I was curious as to why when you post the question, Nick, why you use the word offended. I think because there are coaches that have struggled and they that like they did it the Sean Payton way. They were offensive assistance that were you know, they getting coffee. Then they become you know,

quality control. Then they become a quarterbacks coach, and then maybe they're a play caller, and then they they move themselves up as opposed to a guy that just played football and he was a great player, and then he goes at ESPN and next thing you know, they just put it and he just jumps everyone, which the owner could do whatever he wants. It's about people, and I

agree with the people. Yeah, it's about people. If you can organize people and get him to share the belief that you have, they don't have to completely agree with everything you say, but if you get people all pulling the same way, there's a lot of things you can get done if if you have that kind of support. But you have to have that ability to be a leader,

and Jeff Saturday is a leader. Have you seen that clip And they played it for years, the clip with Saturday and Peyton man Yeah, and Peyton's like, well, we'll call the plays, Jeff, and he's over there, let's run the ball, and then they're getting out of the sideline and yeah, Peyton's like he started it. Yeah, yeah, you're standing up to Peyton Manning. You know. It's funny. Jeff Saturday never got off the bench. He just kind of just kind of like just looked at him like, Okay,

you can go stand over there somewhere. Yeah, we're fine here, just we'll make adjustments, will be good. I have a lot of respect. Like I said, I can understand coaches that that that went up that want to go up through the ranks, but there's a lot of coaches that have gone up through the ranks and failed at this same It happens. It's not just in football, you see that in other types of like industries around the world.

Like that happens with other people, and it's just kind of who you know and where you came from and all that, and some people do get to kind of jump over all those steps and get it could be expensive making mistakes and and like it. And I know we'll finish up here. But Auburn, you know, Auburn University, and I hope I'm not offending anybody from Auburn, but you've had three coaches in four years. That's pretty expensive.

That's that's millions of millions of dollars spent, you know, having to now pay coaches off for not getting the right guy or not having the patience. You know, they think you have the right guy, you know, and you know they went out, went out and hired a coach that has got some baggage to his name from when he was last in the SEC. But that just shows you they're thinking, we have to win. We have to win.

You know, sometimes you make those mistakes. All right, Well, tomorrow we'll kind of flip the side of the things. We'll talk about the Colts defense. It makes the place on these guys, and we'll see how that matchup kind of looks like for this weekend. And then this is the end of the show for Nickiman. Brian brought us Derek Eagleton, who stepped out a little bit earlier. Amember Garcia. This has been the break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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