Cowboys Break: Rollercoaster Randy

twenty two, Season seventeen, Episode number one, O eight. Welcome to the latest edition and most sensillating edition of The Break. Life in Nest, WBC Morgan Studios at the Star Free Agency is about to kick off. We've already had the initial tampering period, I guess is the best way to put it. But it's gonna kick off in Earnest this afternoon where people can actually put their names on the

dotted line. And that's where it gets really interesting. We got so many storylines, so many storylines to talk about. Welcome to the show, Nick Eatman, Camber Garcia. Dave's not with us today. He's out. I don't know doing what, but but he's not here today. So the three of us are gonna hold it down and We're going to get some opinions from these guys on the happenings around cowboy Land the last couple of days. Here, let's start first with obviously the biggest news that's happened in the

last twenty four hours. And Randy Gregory, let's start first. Nick, just this level set for everybody in your opinion, and you're as tight end as anybody. And I know you absolutely are because I know people you talk to. Give me a layout of what actually happened. Where Okay, where do we get from the beginning to kind of where we are now with Randy Gregory? And I'm about to start this, but before I do, there's no way we can do the show tomorrow like we're doing the show today. Well,

I really like do the show tomorrow. I'll tell you this. We can always jump back on. I don't know that Amber will put up with us two times in the offseason. That'side in a contract, But yeah we can definitely, You and I can jump on there and we know what's on the contract. That's important, right, That's exactly right. I gotta stick to the Contractum, this is a it was a roller coaster ride. I don't know if it's over.

But I mean because at four o'clock is like you said, that's when everything you know, that's when everything will be official, or that's what it first can be official, doesn't have you don't have to sign right right away. So we'll see how this thing goes. But I think what's happened here with Randy, this is what it looked like to me, is at the end of the day, and maybe even at the start of the day, he didn't really want

to be in Dallas. Now, whether that's true or not, I don't know, but I mean, he's going to Denver, so like I think if he really wanted to be here, I think he would have. The problem that I have with all of this is that it sounds like Jerry got on the phone Monday night and had a long talk with Randy and really quoted was recruited the hell out of him. That's my problem. This guy stood by you for seven years, he's done, he's done that supports you when no one else did. He's offering you more

than he's offering you what everyone else is offering. You signed lowball hometown discount. Why is this conversation not thirty seconds? That's my problem. It's done, Randy, Let's do this. You know, I'm proud of you. Let's get let's make this happen. So the fact that you have to recruit them, it hard to me that that's that was an issue number one.

And then anything about the contract. My personal opinion is the agent who lives in Denver wanted his client to be in Denver, and I think they came up with this and maybe just stress this part about the language in there. I don't think it's a I don't think that was a big deal. It's a it's part of

every contract. And I think they're just using something to say, hey, you know, cowboys don't have faith in you now in all fairness, and I guess, and what I want to do is I want to make sure that that we talk about every side of this. I think the argument against that would be, well, it wasn't exactly the same

contract because there was this language in there. And this is language that although it is very customary for Cowboys contracts, as we said, all Cowboys contracts seemingly have it in and except for des that being said, Denver wasn't putting it in the contract. So there was a depoint of differentiation in Denver, maybe he doesn't have that language. In Dallas he does, and that's maybe where they found a difference, and that was enough of a difference for them to

want to make a different decision. I think that it goes back to probably and this is just my opinion, it goes back to what Nick was talking about the agent and kind of who do you have talking in your ear when you're at home, in your like personal space, personal trusting space, as opposed to, yeah, you have lived the relationship that you have with Jerry Jones and the cowboys,

and you know what you've experienced. But you're always like, in the back of your head, even if you think something, you're thinking, oh, they're probably trying to get the best end of the deal for themselves. So you're gonna trust more the person that's supposed to be looking out for you and supposed to be helping you out to get you the best deal that you possibly can. But we all know we've we've seen shows on TV, we've seen ballers.

I think that you learn a lot from like the what it's supposed to be, the side that we don't get to see, and how business works in the NFL. So you know, the the agent who knows what he got going on and what kind of relationships he hasn't with the Broncos and wants to kind of pull Randy Gregory and just saying something like that like, oh, well this was in your contract that wasn't before and you shouldn't you know, so little things like that, Yeah, it's

gonna bother you. But I don't think until and I learned this yesterday, and I think we all learned the lesson. Until it is on paper, signed with the pen, possibly a bluepen, we can't say what can happen or what cannot happen. So until I hear that that's signed and I see a picture of him signing, I won't say whether he's going over there, staying or whatever, because we know the kind of power that Jerry Jones has too. But like Nick said, I don't think it should have

been this dramatic and so confusing. Yeah, I mean you touched on the part that I think bothers me the most about this. I know, Nick, you said. The part that bothers you, that bothers me the most is that there was this characterization and I don't know if it came from the agent or Randy or someone else, just the media putting it in there. But that was just the idea that the Cowboys just kind of at the eleventh hour just slip this little caveat into this contract

and hope they wouldn't see it. And that doesn't seem to be what happened here. It's a situation where this is a standard part of their contracts. By the way, it wasn't Andy's contract, his first contract where there was guaranteed money in it, so they should have known mentioned the difference between like what the kind of contract he had last year, because people are also taking that was not a guaranteed contract. He didn't have guaranteed money in that,

and that's why the clause is in. That clause is in there in contract to have guaranteed money. So his first contract back in whatever year that was when he first got into the NFL, that one did have the same language in it as this one has in it, So it wasn't something where it doesn't appear to be something where it the Cowboys were just kind of like, hey, let's see if they catch this, let's just kind of,

you know, drop this in there. It was one of the situations where they put their standard language in there, and for whatever reason, someone characterized it as the cowboys were trying to get over on them. And that's the part I think is is being disingenuous. I have no problem with the player deciding for himself, Hey, that's not

something that works for me. I don't think that's something because I assume if it was in everybody else's contractscept for das Dak and his agent said at some point, you know that doesn't work for us, and so you know, it's every player and their representatives right to be able to negotiate and say that's not something we want to agree to. Where I have a problem is when someone makes it seem like there was kind of this this

nefarious thing else going on with it really was. Yeah, but but let's let's talk about specifically what we're what you're saying there though. I mean, like if you don't have a problem with that, but like I have a problem with that. I mean if you walk in here and say, hey, guys, you can't come in the building here if you've got guns, and someone just turns around says, well, okay, see you guys later. I'm going back, it's like, well,

what's the guy. The guy's got guns, you know what I mean, Like like yeah, but but but but if you don't, if that is the issue, if that is the issue of like, well I don't want to agree to that, well, then what do we anticipate because because here's the thing. We are talking about a league where you can get fined or suspended even when the court, like the legal system, says there's nothing here. We saw it happen with Zeke like it happens in this league.

It doesn't take illegal finding. It just takes the commissioner saying, you know, it doesn't sit right with me, So I'm gonna find you don't sit right with me, I'm gonna suspend you, and now my guarantees are loss. So again, by the way, I don't I don't not trying to make a judgment as to whether this is a good clause or a backlause. What I'm saying is I think the player has a right to be able to say

this doesn't work for me. I see areas in this clause that could be harmful to me, and if I have enough leverage, I choose to say I don't want to do that and I will take a deal that doesn't have it in That's his right, that's absolutely his right. And you know what else is his right as well, is he can like what people don't know, Like I said that, what I said about Jerry and them, and it should have been a quick conversation. But what you don't know is what a player needs in there a person.

I'm just a player. What a person needs in their life as far as change, do they need a different I mean, he's been here for seven years. Maybe he wants to go somewhere else, Maybe he wants to go to a different state, whatever it is. I'm just saying, you go to wherever you want where. I mean, he doesn't have to take a discount because of Jerry. You know, you don't have to do that. You would think you if it was close, you'd think he would. But so when it's done, when he signs, you know, I might

have a different opinion on it. But right now, who knows what's going to happen. You know, it looks like as we sit right here before noon, you know, in in Dallas, I mean, it looks like he's gonna go to Denver. But guess what this time yesterday it looked like he was gonna go to Dallas, or it might have been leaving a little bit before this. So I think the point that that that I'm hearing you make is everybody just kind of wait, let's see how this

all goes. And by the way, that's across the league, everything you've been hearing over the last two days, it was set up by the league to do exactly what it's doing. Create conversation because none of this, none of this is done until the papers signed, and that can't happen until at the earliest four pm today. So right now, let's just see how this all plays out. It's looking

like he is going to Denver. We'll see how that plays out, and we'll see if by four today or at some point after that, if he signs a contract with Denver real quick. This clause obviously I know the gist of it, but do you do we know specifically what it said, oh in the contract. Yes, I think it's a standard with any time a player US is suspended, like any kind of guaranteed money that he has is voided.

That's what happened with Lyle Collins. That's why you know in Lyall that's a player that could have some news today too. I mean, he might be released today, he might be traded today. You know. I mean I think if the Cowboys could get another fifth round pick, that'd be great. You know, they only got four, so maybe one of themill hit. Maybe maybe one of them will kick. Anyways, Um, I don't know about that text. What what? What? Wow? Wow? Is that what we're doing today? Oh? I mean that

was a bad joke, was it? Oh? I thought you were messing with my Texas No, no, I'm talking about him. He's like, well, maybe one can kick. I think it's a great joke. But it's okay, that's ok like Chris, Like Chris is the stand up guy. Anyways, Um, what I'm just saying, I mean, who who's to say, what a funny joke? Maybe they'll get maybe they'll draft a kicker. Maybe they'll draft to kick in the fifth round. They got four picks, well they got four other picks, and

you know what, maybe they'll resign Greg's airline. And that really is a thing that could happen. See, we try to have a good show. I'm telling you. They could resign Greg's airline. They could punter, they could they could they need a punter? They need um, you know angers out there. We're getting way off from where I want to be right now the relationship or you don't. They're enough with us back and either it is or it is. And when you can, when you're in the relationship, just

move on. Everybody. Everybody do other things, you know exactly, I'll have to Rob Phillips. He was working here and then he left and he came back. We don't. You don't want to Rob to come back? Oh? Is that what we're gonna? Just made it personal? Well, I mean, you know, sometimes it happens, all right. So here's my question for you guys, Um, how much of a problem is it if Randy doesn't come back? How much a

problem is that for Dallas? If you can take this from mini stamp, from a from a van standpoint, from a pr standpoint, from a football standpoint, what how much of a problem is this for Dallas? Well, it's just all about the pivot. Mean, where do they go from there? I mean, I mean they had it budgeted for what fourteen million? Yea, do something with that? You know, like you next year are you gonna get two players from that? Are you gonna go get Dorance Armstrong now and someone else?

Are you gonna go get um A von Miller? Which that's not gonna be fourteen, that's gonna be more than that. So can Bobby Wagner be in the mix? Yeah? And I know this. The cowboys have made phone calls to just throw them out there, and the answer is yes, Chandler Jones, Bobby Wagner, Dante Fowler, Um von Miller, who else? I mean, Zadarius Smith. They they've they've done their due diligence with all of it, and they're they're just kind of get the parameters and see. Um, you know, I

think Durrance is in the mix here. You know, if if Randy officially signed with Denver, I think Randy, I think Durrance would be in the mix. But Daurance and someone else, Um Layton vander Esh sounds like Layton's not getting them the money that he thought he would get open the open market. But but he could get some some deals today. It sounds like New England and pittsburgher in the mix for him. Jay Ron Curse, that's an

interesting one as well. Um. I think Curse thought he'd get a little bit more money to this seems like one where a lot of people in the league thought Curse was going to just go back to Dallas and dan Quinn and they didn't really mess with it. So I don't think he's got like, you know, they don't have anything to bounce it off on, and they're working on a deal and they want him to be happy, and they might also look at it and say, like this may be one of those players that really works

for Dance System, maybe not so much for ours. Maybe, you know, maybe that's part of it, is he's more valuable to Dallas maybe than he is to a lot of other teams. I think of literally, at the end of the day, I really think Jayron Curse situation. I think that if I'm predicting, I think that they'll they'll get a deal with him. That's what I think. And to be honest with you, Nick, going into you know, the offseason this year, the way I looked at the defense was I need to keep one of my two

defensive ends and I need to keep three. I mean, I mean, you weren't factoring in Durance. I wasn't factor I assume Durance and Cedric to me were guys I didn't think they would be able to retain because I figured the amount of money they would be valuable, that the amount of money they would demand on the open market would be more than Dallas would be willing to pay for the roles they would play him. Yeah, that being said, I felt like I needed to keep one

of my two defensive ends. I needed to keep one of those one of those free safeties, and I needed to keep my strong safety. And if I did that, I felt like I could fill in a lot of the other blanks between draft lower level free agents. I felt like I could. I feel like that gives you still a really good defense. Those are the core that's scores. Now. If you get both defensive ends, now you're really working with something. If you add a free agent that you

weren't expecting, now you're really working with something. But to me, if they fulfilled that, they've done what I think they had to do, and then everything else is the great. Well, going back to your question, I think this is a big problem if and I'm not saying Randy Gregory is the best defensive end pass rusher in the NFL. He's not. But if you don't find someone that's better than him or that can somewhat provide you something equal to what

he was giving you. Then you're now you're messing with the side of the ball that was the good side, the one side that is kind of giving you some excitement, some hope, you know, after the transition and the volvement that we saw last year with what Dan Quinn was

able to do. Now you if you don't replace that position, you're messing now with also one Micah Parson might be able to give you a player that was so versatile and that was able to help you in different ways, but you can pin him down at a certain position because then I think that's really gonna affect you your defense overall. So right now I'm very concerned. I am

not happy or excited about the offense. And we still have guys and all that, but there are a lot of things to fix, a lot of uncertainty a wide receiver. Even though we know we have City Lamb, we have Michael Gallup. Now they also brought Noah Brown back and all that. But is City Lamb gonna be able to step up? How is Michael Gallup coming back from that injury? How is he gonna look like at the role that they're gonna give him as well. So a lot of

uncertaining there the online and all that. But if they don't bring someone exciting on the defense right now, I'm raising my hand of someone that's gonna be walking around with a grumpy face, unhappy and not excited because there

are a lot of things to fix right now. You know, with Randy, if he's not on the team, I'll just look at his stats and it's eight and is going on, you know, and some of his injury history and you know, because that's looking at glass half full and half empty and all that, like, you look at it and go, you know, he's twenty nine and he's not really done anything.

He's never made a Pro Bowl. You can do whatever. Yeah, and if you sign him, all you gotta do is show me the clip against Washington where he tipped the ball and then caught it and ran it in then Steff Farm and all that stuff. Give me that guy. So I get it. I mean, and that's what Denver's doing. And you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna badmouth him as a as a player. He was a guy I would have wanted to sign. Um. I can see the value there. Um, because I think he's a he's

a freakish player. Um, he's he's not been consistent though in his life at times and then obviously on the field, and and they go hand in hand. But um, you know if Denver, if Denver gets him, I mean they're getting an outstanding player potentially. He's got the potential to be as freakish as anybody in the league. Just doesn't always show it out there. And that's that's the hiccup. But the Cowboys wanted him back. And you know, I'll

say this about Jerry Jones. I think Jerry Jones could stand it and in front of a beach and sell sand to people as they walk in and say, hey, would you like some sand? I think I think you can do. So I'm just gonna say this if if Randy, if Randy gets any more phone calls from Jerry, like you better right, Like if he wants, don't get on the phone. Yeah, don't, don't talk to Jerry. Because I'm just saying I trust Jerry. If if Jerry you had the last day, I trust him. But you know, we'll see.

As it stands right now, it looks like he's going to Denver. But I want to see that ink. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that, and I will say this, and I'm actually go We're gonna take a break when we come back. I want to ask you guys the question, would you consider taking the money that now is available if they're not going to sign Randy yet, Randy, would you consider taking that money and maybe using it on

the offense? Because Amber talked about the offense, would you maybe look at his there's some free agent out there at guard or center where tackle even maybe that makes you say, hey, let's spend some of that big money there. Can you fix the offensive line and you get more value for your team than maybe spending on a pass rusher. We'll talk about that when come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. At ATNC, everyone new and

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Chris No, still didn't He's still not on who here we go? Here we go? All right? Um question half of you guys before we went to break, you take the money that you would have spent on Randy um And and maybe go and use it on the offensive side of the ball. Because I talked before the break about for me, what I thought they needed to do

on the defense. The number one priority I thought the Cowboys had going into the offseason, regardless of side of the ball, was they need to fix this offense in line. Would you take that money and now go out and try to get JC Tredder, who's a center, probably the best center on the free agent market right now? Do you go out and spend that money on that side of the ball instead of maybe getting another pass rusher? I would. I would definitely for the offensive line you

got you gotta fix your your problems. But but I will say this, though your defense last year was good. It was good. Defense wasn't like the best, right, but it was it was good, and it was really good at turnovers, but it was you know, they had some issues as well. So you can't just you know, you lose Randy. You gotta get something for that, you know what I mean, Because then you're gonna you're gonna drop down even more. So I can see, I can see both sides. I mean, I mean, you got holes to fix.

Whatever the best value was. Yeah, if it's an offensive player, I don't think it'd be a receiver. I do think they're going to sign a veteran receiver. Um, so does Daz. Daz thinks so too. But um, yeah, I mean that that would be interesting. But but anyways, and I'm talking

about Daz throughout James Washington's name the other day. Oklahoma State. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be Yeah, that would be that would be nice if um he's from Abilene, Stanford so um but yeah, I think I think it would be you know, he'd be a good, good addition. They need somebody like that. Um but um, anyways, I mean, I guard, yeah, center, defense, anything he needs. So whoever is the best player available? Like, take that to the free free agency. You know the

concept that they use for draft. Take it. Apply that to free agency. Doesn't matter which side of the ball. Just go for the best player available because you need it. You need help on both sides, clearly. But um one thing I do I don't will they because they don't usually do this in recent years, and I know at the same time, we have seen a lot of changes with Mike McCarthy coming in and things that we haven't

seen before have happened. So now I wonder, Okay, are they looking to actually spend some money on a guy that isn't their own guy, because I don't want to rely on just the draft, even if they draft a good guy or whatever. I don't want it to be the case that we go in because it's a hit

or miss. Some guys right away Mica Parsons right away are excellent, but it's hard to find guys like that, and it's rare, and at the same time you get guys that it does take them a while to develop and all of that, and right now people are tired. We're not looking to develop, we're looking to do it. Honestly, there's really it's really on one position where I look

at it, maybe two where I look at it. I'm like, I don't think that I wouldn't be waiting for the draft to address this, and it's a reason why receivers the primary one because, as you guys mentioned last week on the show, there's a good chance I shouldn't take a good chance. There is a chance, whatever the percentage is, there's a chance that Michael Gallup is not ready to play at the beginning season. He certainly won't be ready

for the beginning of training camp in preseason. So that being said, I think I need to hedge my bet and I need to have a veteran on this team. That doesn't mean I'm not gonna draft one. I might draft one really high, but I think I need to have a vet that's available to me week one that could start the season that if I have him paired with CD, paired with whoever is the rookie that I draft, now, I still got a good enough wide receiver Cord to be able to go out and do what I need

to do to win ball games. So for me, I look at that, Boss, I say, I really think you gotta get it, even if it's a lower and I shouldn't say a lower, but not the top of veteran at the position. James Washington would be a perfect fit from that standpoint, he's that that guy's pretty good player, has played and done some pretty decent things where he was before. You can probably get him for a pretty good deal, maybe even a short term and be one

two years and and so for something like that. To me, that that seems to be the great fit, and that seems to be the thing I think they gotta do this offseason before they get to draft. All right, m let's talk about some of the people, some of the players who are no longer here. We have not had a chance to talk about some of those deals that

have happened over the last several days. I want you to tell me about Like I'm gonna throughout the name, I'll tell you what they went and what happened, and then I want you to tell me if you think the Cowboys should have made more of a play based on where they went and what they were given. Let's start first. Obviously, it was a trade with a Marie Cooper. They traded four fifth round pick, They swapped sixth round

picks with Cleveland. How did you feel about that deal? Well, I don't like the decision to get rid of Marie Cooper. That's playing and simple. I wouldn't have done that. I think that this team is on the verge of doing something. They're right there, and I think he's one of their better players, and I would have figured it out with him.

So that's not so definitely wasn't worth it for you. No, No, the trade they saving again sixteen million six So, um, you know that's what they were gonna you know, that's what they were gonna get Randy Gregory or whoever you know with but um, but but it's two different things. It's the decision and then they've made it. Okay, so now it's a trade. Yeah, I'll take it. I mean,

the trade's fine. The trade is what it is. I mean, if you could get a first, you get a first, you get a second, you get a third, you get a fourth, you get a fifth. It's just that's what it is. And that's that's the world that we live in with every with us doing thirty seven podcasts and everyone in the world doing it thirty eight thirty whatever, you know what I mean, that's that's what that's what we're doing here. Um. So the thing about that is

is that like you can't, nothing's a secret. As soon as the Browns think you're gonna cut them, then they're not gonna you know, fifth is about the best year you're gonna be. They're taking on all the salaries, so they're not really necessarily giving up a lot of that's knowing they're gonna have to take on salary. That's part of it too. You know. It is the most expensive round pick they've ever had. So that's the trade, is

what it is. I mean, you never, you never if they could have got more, they would have got more. I mean, would you have taking a fourth round, a fourth round pick from it from the Eagles, or fifth round or from the Browns, fifth round from Browns. I mean, so you're looking at AFC, you're doing the best option you can get him over there, you know, that is what it is. I wouldn't have made the decision, but that's the decision they made. Yeah, I wouldn't have either.

And again we don't know exactly what all they got going on over there, what all they have dealt with and all that. But at the same time, like this trade just left me feeling like I got the bad end of the deal, you know, like I wasn't policed at of course I didn't want to see him, But if he left, I want at least feel like, Okay, I feel, oh, that's that's all right. You know, we're

gonna be fine. But right now I don't feel like we're fine just yet, unless after we start seeing what kind of moves and obviously what happens through free agency and draft and all that. But right now, it just feels like we lost and we took a step backwards rather than forward. I think I think Amari would have done a DeMarcus Lawrence deal. I think he would have done that, you know, where it saves you a lot on the cap, saves you on the cap, but also

kind of guarantees him a little bit. I think they could have worked with him. I just think that for whatever the reason, they've kind of made it their decision. And you know, I think there's some nitpicking from what I've heard about things that he doesn't do as well on the field and all that. I'm just kind of like, okay, but but I think that they wanted to move on. They wanted to push this towards CD. Let it be his time, and you know, signed gallup. It's not what

I would have done, It really wouldn't. I would have probably signed the deal, and I think he's probably next on your list here, Cedric Wilson. I probably would have signed Cedric Wilson instead of Michael Gallup. It's cheaper and the guy's gonna be available. That's what I would have done. But I mean, but I think Gallup's more of a long term thing, and I think it saves you a little bit more on the cap because they were able to spread that deal out more. Yeah, let's talk about

Cedric Wilson. He gets a three year deal twenty two million, seven point three five million. It is the average per year with twelve point seven five million guaranteed. He goes to the Dolphins. What do you think of the deal. I don't want to agree with Nick because I want to give some differences of opinion on this show, but I do when I said it last week, I would have preferred Cedric Wilson, not only because of the money, but also he I don't feel like it's that different

than Michael. And I know you can make that face, but I think, yeah, I think, Okay, some people will disagree, and some people see the skills that Michael Gallup has over Cedric Wilson. But based on what I saw last year on Cedric Wilson. It did give me a lot more hope that given the opportunity, he will keep giving you things that you won't miss. Michael Gallup especially, he's seeing the connection that Dak has with him, which is

hard to find. It's hard to find a quarterback, especially a guy like Dad that does need that kind of help. But it's hard to find a guy that can connect that way and being sync with your quarterback. But I actually think he has that same level of connection with Michael Gallup. Like you think about the number of plays that we've seen between the two of them where he hits him just perfectly towards the sideline where it's right where Gallup can make the catch, and we know Gallup

can make those kinds of catches. Like, I think he has a similar connection with him as well. I don't think it's just Cedric and he doesn't have that connection with other players. I think he's got that same connection with other guys. And to me, it's really just about I hear what you guys are saying, and I get it. Cedric is a good, solid receiver. In my opinion, I

think Michael Gallup is also a solid receiver. I think Michael Gallup, though, has the skill and things I've seen that suggests he can be more than that, And as he continues to develop, I think he has the skill to be more than just a solid receiver. He has some skills that makes him do some extraordinary things. I haven't necessarily seen. That's from Cedric. I haven't seen Cedric make those extraordinary plays in the same way. And at the same that's great, that's nice, and again I get that.

But I again, I just I think Michael Gallup. I think Michael Gallup is a just if you were stacking them up right beside each other, I think Michael Gallup is a better receiver. And so for me, I don't think the money kills him. This is a very very is a very doable deal for them. So if you can get the better receiver for a very doable price, yeah do it. And that's the thing, Like it's easy to look at it and go old. Gallup's getting what almost eleven million, you know, more than that? Almost almost

twelve his average? His average, yeah, somewhere around there. But I mean, but only what four and a half to five is counted against In reality, that's not really the case that they might not see a lot's probably a cheaper deal than than Cedric. But I I think Cedric is a more versatile player, and I think he's a He's a I've seen. Is it just because of the his ability to throw that you call him more personal? No, what's what's so the part I think he's I think

he's a better fluid athlete. I think he's I think he's better I've seen I've seen more plays where I like him in the middle of the field. The Minnesota game comes to mind, where he was weaving through for touchdown, the one where he was spinning there against Carolina for a touchdown. He's made clutch plays too. He's new England game, they lose if he doesn't make a catch on the sideline. He's had some balls where he's made perfectly thrown passes

right in there. I mean he's made plays too, So I you know, I just think he's a And to me, it's the health, it's it's the it's in March, in April, he'll be out. I'm pointing to a practice field out here. Um, you know, I just think he's you know, availability, availability, cheaper, and I think comparable in the place. The thing it's like seeing recent history, what you've seen recently does influence kind of what we have in our mind right now,

at least I can say that for myself. Me, I wouldn't go as far as saying he's definitely, for sure a better player than Gallup, but they're very hand in hand to me, and that what I have in my mind right now is just a Cedri Wilson that will jump goal of there. He can do the tiptoe too, you know, he can do that too. He can throw the ball and again not that you're looking for your receiver to be the quarterback either, but just a little

extra spice on there. And that's why you know. I it opens it up though, when you when you have that in your arsenal, I mean, it does open it up. I mean, is throw it against Minnesota to the I mean, I'm sure he can, ye, I'm sure I can't. I guess my point is, like, I think there are probably other guys that could do that if you ask them to. I think CD ads at that level of um, you know, he can do different kinds of things. Maybe maybe CD I mean maybe Michael Galla can I don't who knows what.

CD can't throw the ball, who's gonna catch it. CD's the catcher, He's the guy that's catching the ball. Michael Gallop Okay, I'm talking about the first three weeks of the season. No, that's that won't take long. But that's actually a fair fair point when you start talking about health and availability, because I am I'm a little worried about what they're gonna do at the beginning of the season if Michael Gallup isn't ready to go, Like, how

do they manage that? Because they've lost their depth at wide receiver at this year. All right, let's talk about Connor Williams. He gets a two year, fourteen million dollars deal average seven million a year, seven point five guaranteed. He also goes to the Dolphins. That's just becoming Dallas Cowboys East. That being said, what do you think about the deal? What do you think about the Cowboys allowing

him and go? Scary? It's a scary thing because in no way did the Cowboys want Connor Williams back, and the fans didn't want him back, and they don't want this guy to play left guard anymore, even though he's done it for four years. So he goes he's a seven million a year player, so they want somebody better than that, clearly, but that if he's a seven million dollar dollar guard, you know, year guard, then oh yeah, you know, yeah, Well I got so much money, right,

so I get this defensemen, that's a scary thing. And there's not a lot of guards out there, so and you don't want to go into the draft pigeon holding there, Well, you have to take a guard because that's when you get jumped. That's when you get jumped by somebody that says all because they know you gotta take him. So and then I wouldn't go much farther than the first round, maybe the second on taking a guard that you can

plug right in and being able to play. Yeah, so it's kind of scary, like what are what are they doing here? You know? So would you? But you, but you would not. I want to be clear. You're not saying you would have made this deal for Connor Williams. No, what I'm saying is is that if I'm gonna have to let go of Amari Cooper and I'm doing all these other moves, I'm not worried about Gallup or Gregory, I would have signed schurf from I would have done that.

I cannot argue with you. And and then maybe maybe for the first time in his life, Zach Martin is a little pissed off or annoyed, and maybe you gotta rub that belly a little bit of figure that out. But either way, too badass guards. I actually think at that point, be honest becomes becomes any center he can. You got those two gods, like, I think you become an okay center. Yeah, I kind of agree. I mean he is an okay center. He's an okay center, but okay,

he's not getting the job done. Okay, he's not okay. Well, he will be a better center with those two guys if serviceable. You know, you wouldn't have to go draft a center, but you probably could. But man, I mean I would have done that. That's that's been my thought. But they don't want to go that route, right thoughts. I mean, you do we all know, we all know it was gonna happen. We I think that we knew his time here was over, and neither part were really happy.

I can't imagine Connor being happy either with everything that's being asked to him getting so many criticism, not just maybe from the people in the building, but also people out there, the fans constantly criticizing, and sometimes it was fair and other times I think he got more than than what he should have. But at the end of

the day, yeah, his time was up. And it is very, very concerning not to see any moves happening right now at that position and on the Old line, because we know Dad really needs help from the Old Line, and so does the running game. We know Zeke needs it, and Tony Potler and those two and people that were a few weeks ago cut see, well, we a really know that ain't happening. It's not gonna happen. It doesn't

work out for the cowboys out way. Zeke is here to stay and they need the help that they can get, all the help that they can get on the Old Line. Yep. Um, We'll say this, and I there are people listening live and obviously if you're listening later, this is going to be outdated. But Randy Gregory has tweeted out here at about noon our time, Madden put a picture of him in a Broncos uniform and thoughts and then he just typed in LG. So in other words, we're pretty sure

he's going to Denver LFG. Let's yeah, left field, I don't know. I don't know left field Gregory. Let's f and go. So like he's going. But you know what, I gotta sign, gotta sign the papers, see what happens. But yeah, that that that kind of seems like he's out there. But well, we'll see. This thing is again, I keep calling at the roller coaster and I don't know if the ride's over yet. Also, anyway, all right, we're gonna say we're gonna take our final break. We

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Mortgage Studios at the Star, we're talking free agency. There's so many storylines to follow that will stay the same for the next few days, maybe weeks, heading right into the draft, which should be interesting here at the end of April. Never never lost for something to talk about here on the break. Let's talk about some of the guys that are free agents and we have not talked a lot about and that that really haven't been in the news cycle here recently. Let's start first with Doran's Armstrong.

Where do you think things are with Doran's Armstrong as a defensive end? And I want you to put it in two different categories. One, if for some reason, the Cowboys were to go out and be able to before he gets his name on a sheet of paper, get Randy Gravy back, that doesn't seem likely. But if that happens, or if he's gone, and then you got to move on and try to figure out what you're gonna do, what just how does that help or hurt? I think Dorance.

I think they look to sign Dorance if it doesn't happen with Randy, and I think that they're pursuing that right now. From what I hear that the years is kind of the the issue there. They Doan wants a shorter deal and the Cowboys want a longer deal just because it spreads out the cap a little bit. So I think that there's talk there. I mean, that's not you know, Drrence can't be Randy Gregory. He just can't.

That's not his thing. He could be different and solid, but he's not gonna ever be that explosive type player. I think if you draft Chauncey Gholston in the third round from Iowa, I think he's got to be Dareance Armstrong. So I'm you know, I'm fine if they resign him, but he's not gonna get anyone that excited and other than maybe you know, special teams coach and all that, because he's got defensive and who can play, But I don't know if he's playing at that at that number,

you know, So I don't know. I think that they're going to try to sign him if they don't get Randy, but I don't know. If it helped you that much, yeah, I wouldn't mind either way. I think he's in that category of guys that we always see in free agency where it's I'm not gonna say easily replaceable, but you can find a guy that can also do similar things

that he does. So he's right there in the middle of those type of guys that I'm okay if they bring him back, but I'm also okay thinking that they will will find another defensive end in that level of his same level. I think what I'm trying to say, I know that I was kind of all over the place.

I think I agree with you, and I would rather get a dynamic player, use the money to get one dynamic player as opposed to getting a couple of guys like Dorrance and someone else, because I do think you've got Gholston and then you can figure someone else out. I'd rather have the dynamic player, whether it be a guard or whether it be another defensive end. But I'd rather spend that money that you were going to spend

on Gregory for one big guy. Okay, so I got the scenario for you because I think I think I disagree with you onto this scenario. So would you rather have von Miller or would you rather have Doran's Armstrong plus Bobby Wagner? Because the way I look at it is if you gave me Bobby Wagner with Doran's Armstrong, the way I look at that is on most downs, I can play Doran's Armstrong a defensive end. I now have Micah. I can move in on pass rushdown. I

now have another linebacker that's a dynamic linebacker. If I wanted to even play Michael Moore defensive end. I got a lot of options there. To me, I look at that, I say that may be an even better option and maybe more cost effective than going all in, would say Von Millerwoody. That sounds good. But I mean, I think if I'm doing the math round, I think it's about eighteen, I think it's about twenty million, you know, maybe eight for Dorrance and like twelve for I think you have

to get eight for Dorance. Yeah, oh wow, seven maybe okay, So and you're doing fourteen for Randy and spreading it out a little bit more. So, I don't I don't think it's an apples to apples type thing those two. Yeah, But I mean I get I gets your point. I just it's the Chauncey Gholston just like man, he's got to be this year's version of Dorans, which also that's

I guess that's where I get back to. I don't know how excited I am about possibly getting Dorance back because I think Chauncey I'm hoping, Yeah, when you draft in the third round, you're hoping that he's going to become Dawrance arm Strong. And and there were moments this year when you saw the thing, he's like, oh that was pretty good play. Okay, He's got a little something to him, so I do. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility to think he can at the

very least become what Daurrance was. I'm getting though, if I if when Randy leaves, the number one priority for me would probably be Bobby Wagner, because, more so than saying a Vaughan or is Vaughan just out of your price run? I think he's out of the range. But you know, if he wants to come to Dallas, that's that's fine. It sounds like he might go to LA But I think it'd be Bobby Wagner because you got

an issue at linebacker. You're not resigning Layton. You only got one on the on the on the roster right now, right you only have well, I mean those other one that played, they're not going. I thought there were there were jibro Cox. I forgot about jibro Cox. Yeah, yeah, Actually that's a big one to forget about two because yeah,

he's gonna be playing next year. Yeah, he's gonna be playing. Butter, I mean, I just think you got one experienced linebacker and everyone in the world trying to move him to defensive ent and he could be. I mean, he could play some defensive end this year. I think he plays them up more on the outside than he did this year.

Is that maybe your answer that if you get if you could get Bobby Wagner, maybe you move Micah to defensive end full time or at least most of the time, or at least on passing downs, like he's always your defensive end. I don't know. I mean, I know that McCarthy said he I mean, he told the guys the other day about, hey, you know, half of his sacks came from up the middle and all that kind of stuff. So I mean, I think that they're trying to they

want to still keep them that way. But I do think on third downs he might be on the outside a little bit more. And it's all gonna be on what it looks like. Because if you got von Miller, they'll say they signed Von Miller or Sadarius Smith or some outside rusher with d law, he's gonna probably rushing more in the middle. If you got Wagner or you gotta drafted a first round linebacker, he's probably gonna be one outside. So that's why having Swiss Army knife badasses

like him we're not talking about. It's also why they're not plentiful. It's hard to find them. Yeah, we're not talking about a Patrick Crayton Cedric Wilson like he can do a lot of everything. We're talking about someone that does elite level stuff here and there. Yes, he's valuable to have. Right now, they don't have the defensive end, the other defensive end that they meet, or a linebacker really, because what do you have a linebacker currently? We don't

have anybody really, so that's another problem. So you got this guy that's arguably the best player on the roster, and there are two positions that are uncertain right now that you don't know what's going to happen. So you clearly do need to address both of them to be able to utilize him the ways that you guys have been talking about and as a Swiss Army knife. But I wanted to ask you real quick, this is definitely gonna be a dumb question, but whatever, I don't care

asking about them questions. But for guys, obviously not your expensive guys, top players, but guys like Dorn's armstrong when you like, let's say sign them or whatever. How much money would you lose if you end up like getting rid of him a training camp after training camp ends on the deal. Yeah, someone like like him, you know, not necessarily your main guys obviously, but those lower end guys, but not necessarily your full at the bottomom of the depth That gets That gets back to like how long

is the deal? Like when Nick was talking about earlier, like he's wanting a shorter term deal. They want a longer term deal. If it's a longer term deal, it hurts more to release him soon because you're expect to be able to spread that money out over all those years and now it all comes due. So I think that's really kind of the issues. What kind of deal they have? Well, how many years do they have left on that deal where they would have been kind of

spreading out the signing bonus? Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that would happen this year. It also just depends on what it looks like, you know, like if when they say an average of eight a year, it's like what is it? Is it? You know, is it salary or is it guaranteed? Money or is it bonus and all that. I mean, it's it's hard to tell. It Usually that didn't happen if they sign him to a deal like that because the first couple of first

couple of one year deal doesn't really matter. But right, but if it's a one year deal that most of it is a guarantee or is it a bonus or something like that, then that's what I was like, maybe a Noah Brown type of yeah, that you can do something like that with no I was just in that thought in the line thought of like, Okay, what kind of guys can you kind of back yourself up a little bit right now before you figure out why exactly other moves you can make, whether it's a big splash

and free agency or through the draft. Yeah, it's it's it's it's hard to tell right now. Um. I think you know one thing we didn't talk about is d Law too, Like did we I mean, well, we talked about with the cut. I just think it's kind of weird because talk about a narrative that changed. I mean a week ago. D Law was the guy that was like, oh, I'm not taking a pay cut. I'm not gonna do that I'm not gonna do anything to help the team. Then he comes in and and okay, we kind of

know why. Well yeah, but I mean he also he also did a team friendly thing, which it helped him. I mean, let's not he's gonna get thirty million guaranteed, but it's but it still helps him and it helped the team, and it was and he did it so he could resign Hooker, Gregory and Curse. That's why he did it. And it doesn't look like he's gonna get all three right now. I just got one with Mulley Cooker. But he did it to help the team, helped him. I called it a win win, win, win win situation.

And you know, it didn't get that. I didn't get that that last one with Gregory. But I do think if he can get more players out of this, then I think it's a you know, I think it was a it was a move. Dave Hellman said it best. It's a move that fan fans always want the players to make help the team out. And that's what he did. He went in there and signed it and did you know,

did the team friendly deal. Yeah, And part of it too was I mean, obviously he had to protect himself because he didn't want to get into a situation where we've seen this happen in the NFL as well. So what goes back to what I was saying earlier players have to look out for themselves too, is you know, you wait and the team doesn't want to do anything right now, but then they wait and then you get cut like in June or July, and now you're sitting out there as a free agent when all the money's

been taken. So there's a lot that's that's factored into why he would make a decision like this. But I think, as you said, it actually ended up working out for everyone. It was a win for the team, it was a

win for him. Hopefully a win for some other players that will be signed back here, even if it's not Randy crab And he did say on a podcast he was on just yesterday, he said he was asked about, you know, kind of how they moved from here, and he's like, look, just get players, right, So you know, if they got Vaughan or if they got Bobby Wagner, I think he's going to be happy. I don't think the name is I you gotta use my money to

get Randy. I think he just wants to have good players, so because he at the end of the day, like every other player, he wants to win ultimately. Right, all right, let's talk about Demante Casey. He spent most of the year last year. Is you're starting free safety? What's happening with him? Is that somebody Cowboys even thinking about at this point or is he just going to be out of free agency and whatever he gets is what he

gets from somewhere else? Got anything? Because because I honestly, like I remember Monte Casey like seven seconds ago when you just mentioned his name, I hadn't been In other words, he ain't on their radar. He's not, he's not had nothing to do with the money. They just it's not the fit that they want. So I think probably because of the similarity in the name and like starting with a K, my mom was just things of Curse initially, so you tend to forget like Casey. They they they

signed Hooker, I mean that's what they signed. That's gonna be their free safety. And the yeah, their free safety. And they try and they're trying to resign Jaron Curse and so that and they got Mquama here they hope to keep developing. Maybe yeah, of course, you know, they got other guys that are a little wrong guys. I'm Donald Wilson still, you know, so yeah, you've got you've got guys there. And I think everyone knew this was one of those situations that you know, they threw stuff

at the wall and hoping, see what's stick. You know what it's gonna stick. I mean, curse CAZy Hooker. All three of them one year deals. We'll see what works. And you could say they all kind of worked. I mean, Casey was a good player. He was probably a more productive player. But I thought, you know, from upside standpoint, I think the thing Hooker and Hooker was coming off and achilles last year, so it was so it would

be fair. So it was crazy, right, But I do think that the expectation was Hooker was getting better as the season went on. I thought coming into this year he might be a better option for them than last year. And this was a first round pick that was you know, that has the talent and all that, he's just got to kind of come into his forgotten his history injuries, Like yeah, yeah, until we did the article about him getting resigned and all that, But I have forgotten he

went through all of that. I'm like, I'm like, god, okay, yeah, but that's pretty impressive. It was a good player at one point, Like that's you might still one here. If if he can, you know, stay healthy, you might still a really really good player. Yeah, there's there's no doubt if he can, if he can come back from that, and he has, he's come back. But I mean, you gotta just keep you gotta keep doing it. Yeah, yeah,

all right, Lake Vanderesh, Where where are with him? What's the likelihood I know you were talking about his market earlier. Where are you hearing about him? I think he's he's didn't get the money that he thought he was gonna get, But um I it sounds like he's gonna gonna get some interest here. I think Pittsburgh, New England, maybe a

couple other AFC teams are earn the mix there. I think the Cowboys were kind of lukewarm on him coming back, and you know, I think Layton wanted to come back, but he's got to be this is a second contract he's got. He's got to do the most for him. Based on what you guys saw from him last year and really all the course of his career here in Dallas. Would you like to see Layton Vanderish back if the money works, Well, the money's got to really work, you No,

I mean, like it's got to really work. I think I think that last game was tricky because it showed him he played really well. But there's not many teams in the NFL that play the way the forty nine ers play. They are they try to run the ball at you, and if that's the case, I think Layton can be effective. I think Layton would be really good for Pittsburgh because I think the Browns like to run it. I think the Bengals even like to run it, and the Bravens that division. I think it would be right

up his all. But when he's running around trying to get chase tight ends and running backs out of the backfield and stuff like that, that's not really his strength. And so I don't think all games would be his best game, and that's probably not going to be worth the money that you get. So you know, I'm surprised that he wanted to come back, though he did for the right price, but he's got to be smart about it.

So yeah, he's kind of lost it for me. Like you know when you see certain players that they're just completely ruthless and they just throw themselves on there and do that, make that tackle and all that. And I'm not saying he doesn't play hard, Obviously, every player that gets on that field plays hard, but there's something about him that he just has lost that spark that he has shown his rookie year. And maybe the last injury he got maybe really got to him or something. I

don't know. I'm just speculating here, but he just has lost that adrenaline that I once saw in him. So right now, he didn't have me much to want to bring him back based on specifically what we saw last year. Right, Um, a few guys I'm gonna run down real quick, just let me know what you what you're hearing about them. Uh, let's start with Brian Anger didn't give me Keyan O'Neill. Ken O'Neill, I'll say that, I don't think he's in

the mix. Keyan O'Neill was supposed to come in and be a safety that was transitioning into linebacker, that could be their nickel guy and probably lead the team and tackles and that happened. It's just his name was Jayron Curse. That's what happened. Jon Curse just took the role that Kenrol Nill was supposed to have and that's what they're did it better and did it better, And so that's what I think's happening there. And then Anger, you know, I that they want him back. They just want to

write Price. I think Hecker's now and was about to say, how does Hecker play into that, because obviously that's one of one of the bones fosils guys, and he loves his guys. We've seen that. Yeah, but they put a cap on it. I mean that they're not spending a ton on for the punter. They you know, they've looked at that. You know, Anger's history and he's he seems to do better when he had one year deal when

he's on a one year deal. Talk about that because I think sometimes and at least what I've heard in the meat of the general media, everybody's like, why wouldn't you resign Anger? He was so great last year and by the way, he was really great. And my eyes even open once you told me, like, go look at his history, go look at how he's performed over years. I think a lot of people thinks he's, you know, fresh into the NFL and this is like his you

know this, but talk about that. Yeah, he's this is every year that he has signed like a one year deal, a prove it deal, he's done it, he's been really good. Then he gets like a three year deal out of it, and he never makes it to the second year of that because he doesn't perform to that level. And then he goes and gets another deal and he I think this is like his eighth or ninth year, So he's kind of done this. I was kind of shocked when you told me that. Yeah. Wow, So he hasn't been

as great all the time. It's been an up and down type of career at times. But so investing a lot of money him is a bit of a risk, Yeah, a little bit. But but I'll say this, I think he's I think he's perfect for what Fossil's doing. And so punters want to play for him because because we've talked about this set several times, he protects the punter.

He's his reputation is one of a guy that's gonna do a lot of fakes, and you know, he's getting very good numbers out of it, because all you have to do is go up there, pump the ball high far. Nobody's gonna gonna return it because CJ. Goodwin's already down there waiting on him to catch it. So it's a good situation to be a punter here. And I think that they'll get a good one. I don't know if it'll be Anger, I don't know if it'll be Hecker.

I don't know, but they'll get a good one because even if the money's not great, it's a good place for them to be. All right, appreciate you guys. Join us. We'll be back next week. We'll have more, I'm sure, more news on free agency. Keep locked on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Cowboys Mobile app for more information until then. For Nick Eatman and Amber Garci, I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot

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