Cowboys Break: Return of Bryan Broaddus

Here on the break. We've got Dave Hellman, We've got Nick Eatman, and we got our buddy Brian broad est Man. When I when you first mentioned on on Twitter that you might be around and uh and and offered very graciously to come and join us, I was really excited because I haven't been able to be on air with you for in a long time. And you're you're no obviously no no stranger to our show. All these guys we've done this for many many years, have so good

to have you man. Thank you. I appreciate that I've been just a couple of tenths down from you guys, but still admiring the work and all that you guys do. A heck of a job, and it's it was a different avenue for me to go. But it's nice to see you guys continuing to just push on the way

you do and lead the NFL the way you do. Yeah, it's funny because you guys that don't know Brian, like literally he got out here and by day what was it, like day two of practice, you're sending me practice knows, Like, here's some things you can watch. I'm like, Brian does not change. He always looking out for his teammates. Man, always looking out for steammate. I appreciate that. I was very sad that this is my last day, you know

with the station, and you're so used. You get into that routine where you you know, you're like, okay, this is you know, day four, day, five days, you know, you're getting that routine. Lest they hear, yeah, last day for me here. Yeah. The way he said that was,

is it my last day with the station? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're breaking news, but uh no, but last day, that last day, last day with it, you know, and that part of it's gonna be sad for me because again, and this is where I'm gonna have to lean on you guys, because you do such a great job of covering the team. The way you do it's a it's

a standard that's like no other. But yeah, when you when you you get in that rhythm of practice and interviews and talking to people and hey, wait, something happened, got to get this source over here, and you know you're kind of you know, doing all that. That's that's the great thing about Camp And just to kind of now have to walk away from that with it not being over, it's just like it's super sad for me because it is it's been such a part of our

lives now. And uh but Brian's maybe one of like four people who says that and actually means it too, like most of him and like we all love what we do. But by the time you've been here for a week two weeks, you're like, yeah, go home sounds kind of and Brian's like, absolutely not. What are these defensive tackles doing? Well, yeah, yeah, that's the that's the thing. I you know, but I know I'm dealing with some veterans. Guys have been ahead of the whole time, the fifteen

years of Camp and Oxnard and stuff like that. I mean, it's something that you just get so used to condition to and and when they're out there practicing, you know, I mean that's the part of I mean even even standing in the trench out there, you know where we're not on the field, but you still get all that that You see the players, you hear the sounds, the coaching, I mean, saddle up going around the other end and watching Dan Quinn coach them up a little bit one

on one with Randy Gregory and stuff. That's the kind of stuff that helps you, you know, kind of have a better understanding of how the season could probably play out. And you don't realize how much you really need that until you have a year like last year when you don't have it amen to that and you can really feel the difference. Let's jump into the conversation. Over the last couple of days, the news is really revolved around Dak Prescott. Um he is, he's he left this I

guess that was on Wednesday. What's the status, what do we know about his injury at this point, and when can fans expect to maybe see him back. Well, Mike McCarthy was shockingly willing to talk about when he might come back. Yesterday, his shoulder sore. He's out of an abundance of caution, he's not pushing it. He got an MRI in the area Wednesday afternoon. Doesn't look like there's

any serious problems there. It's a muscle strain. But then, but you know, and like rightfully, so people are like, well, that could mean a lot of things. He could be out for a few weeks. He could you know, maybe we've seen the last of him for training camp. And then Carthy gets up there yesterday and he's like, yeah, he'll you know, he probably won't throw for a couple of days. And we were even like, what's a couple

of days I mean? And he was like, well, where I come from, a couple of means like two days are you talking about. I was like, okay, Mike, Like you're putting your name on it, that's fine. Like I was kind of surprised that he did that, just because coaches tend to want to not nail themselves down with a specific time. For him, Jason Gear, Yeah, absolutely, ten

years of that. Yeah, right, you know, it was funny I was talking to The question was posed about was this something that had to do with maybe the injury of the ankle and him having to change his mechanics. And I went into it with somebody about it. I'm like, listen that he was like, no, man, he goes. We threw all spring, we threw all summer. It was just a ton of balls. I mean, he you know, he wanted, he was chomping at the bit to get out there.

He had you know that my guy was saying, Hey, McCarthy was out there, Nuss Smier was out there, Kellen was out there, his own personal guy. This sounds like to me a guy that just and we all know Dak Dak is not gonna want to sit back and just um going to rehab and he'll be okay, No, he is going to push it to the absolute hilt and when he could go out there and throw balls, whether it's in the Dak yard that he's got or the or the or on the field, he's gonna he's

gonna do that. And I think what happened is that he just really he to ramp up. He just he went probably a little too far for himself. And now they're they're kind of having to work their way back through that good day. Oh. I mean yeah, which to that point, a lot of people have suggested that it's mechanical, but all through the spring he was basically I mean, he didn't do team, but he was throwing a boatload

of football. It was. Yeah, Like he gets out at the house with with the receivers and backs like every day, God knows how many balls they're throwing. Like, I just have a hard time believing like if there was a mechanical issue, it would have cropped up before he got

the training. Yeah. I kind of feel like though that if if it was something serious, they probably wouldn't allow him to do the drills he's doing, because what if he just hauls off and just forgets and throws and start and throws something and then hurts it even worse. So the fact that he's out there doing a little bit of those the movement drills and things like that, I think that they have confidence that things will be okay. Yeah. The natural question that comes after that, after you get

past is he gonna be okay? Is well, what are the backup look like? Nick? What have you seen from Garrett Gilbert and Ben Denucci here over these last couple of days that either make you feel good or make you feel not so good? Well, I'm checking that shoulder for Dak is what serb over here? Right? Um, you know, let's be fair to to We've seen quarterbacks out here that haven't had great practices romo. Um, you know, you know, we know what happened with him, Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott another. Yeah.

The thing about Garrett Gilbert that everybody got excited about a little bit was that, you know, he was functional against Pittsburgh. He'd only been here a few weeks. He was functional. He picked it up, he ran the ball well, you know, he got him into Ben he was thrown into the end zone to win the game against an undefeated team. It didn't happen. So in a year and a half, is he gonna be better? Um? And he probably will. And let's see how what happens in games.

He's gonna get a great job. I think it's a silver lining. I mean, you know, Dak is gonna be your guy. You don't know about the backup. And they're gonna get more. They're gonna get real reps because they're gonna get some first team reps and and see what it's like to run the ball with you know, if Zeke runs with them or whatever. So I to answer your question, they haven't looked great. But I think that let's see what happens when the lights come on and

they go out. Cooper and Rush never looked great. He goes to Hawaii. He went out and he, you know, had a couple of good drives, and we're like, okay, he's the backup. So it's not gonna take much to say. I think it'll be fine. Yeah, I thought. I thought, to me, what was interesting about that whole thing is, all of a sudden, it was a perfect situation for Mike McCarthy and the staff. If you think about Dak. Okay, here we are in the middle of a practice and

all of a sudden, like QB one goes down. You're the guy, you know, all of a sudden, it's like, whoa okay now. And I initially thought that maybe McCarthy was, you know, he's talked about well, I've got to I've got to manage these reps, these guys. I gotta make sure the backups get some reps. I thought he was playing a game where he was gonna give these guys some work. But then it then Dak is running towards the tent is David Hellman's reporting, and I'm like, oh, no,

this is not good. It's not just that's what's happening the first time I saw it. So then now I'm now I'm thinking, Okay, something's up. But you're you're kind of like, well, man, what a good situation for Gilbert and these guys to throw him in with the ones and see, you know, I'm sure the heart rate was going and all that, so you really can't judge him on that. But then the second day, when you knew that Dak was out, now you can evaluate and it's like, Okay,

are they are they getting anything? Are they are they making throws? Are they making these checks? See, that's where the real evaluation. Yeah, you can get an evaluation about he got thrown into a terrible situation and how do you respond. And then the next day it's like, well, he had chance, he knew this one. And if they if they fail in the chance where they knew, that's where I think you have a little concern. Garrett Gilbert has been getting thrown into tough situations since he was

like eighteen years old. When you think about it, uh, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, was the Bank of America yes, yeah, I think he thinks he threw three touches down. Well, yeah he was Yeah, he threw three touchdowns. You thought he was bad. I mean I say he was great. I did not see the ball going down the field. I didn't see. I didn't I didn't see, you know, immediately knew what he was talking about, which is scary. Which is scary. But America is a sponsor, and they

are great at what they do. But in a football reference, it's not the best, right, let's just put that boa. But I that was the moment where we just thought we were just talking without about all the microphones everything. You know what I kind of felt like though, to me, I was, let's let's take some shots down the field. Let's, you know, do some of that. I was thinking they were not doing that. That's what I'm saying. It was.

But there was some problems with the offensive line. And it wasn't And it wasn't like you know, with Steel and Night, the guys you usually want to blame in sicky those guys. It wasn't those guys. You know, Collins had his issues. I just had his issues. I mean, Connor Williams had his issue. I mean defensive line played on the offensive side of the ball yesterday, and some of those quarterbacks really didn't have much of a choice and give the guys in the secondary, I think, I

think that's funny. Guys. The non padded practices, the offense was there was two minute drill, red zone whatever, boom boom boom down the field, no problem. We get into pads and I think I think the defense has won the last three days and pads and that to me has been really probably very encouraging. Yeah, it's really encouraging for them as well because they need that confidence. I think trying to build confidence for his defense makes a difference.

Talking about the two padded practices, I want to give everybody an opportunity. We're gonna go down the row here and I want each of you to give me at least one observation from what you've seen in the first two days of padded practice. The start with you, Dave. I mean, it's it's it's so easy to evaluate the passing game and the skill players, and there's no way of knowing how it's going to translate. But I've intercepted

eight passes in the last day. Eight that's a lot that's a lot by any standard, but especially this team. Nobody on this team gets picks or didn't, and now they are like, I mean, you know, Maurice Kennedy, Demante CAZy, Uh, Anthony Brown's had one or two Um Parsons, even Micah Parsons. So just it's one thing to be in position and break on the ball, but to actually make the play

has been missing from this defense for so long. Like just before you worked here, I'm oh, and I'm I'm not trying to I'm not trying to pick on Xavier Woods like he was from where he was drafted. That's a success story, like he was a good player for being a sixth round pick, But like I just think of him being in position, getting his hands on the ball and then it's clattering around and next thing you know, it's on the ground and he's doing push ups. I'm like, yeah,

we'll just clapping make the catch. And they have been. They've been making the catch out here. Nick Um, I'll take the easy one. I mean, Brian's got I know Brian can go like fifth level, So I'm gonna let Brian get a tougher one. I'm gonna like the easy one. Seedee Lamb is the best player on the field by far. It's not even close. And he is and he is as smooth as anybody can be in their second year, the first the second year jump he is. You can't cover him on the inside outside, I mean he I

haven't seen him really going deep having done that. Maybe that's something about the backups and all that, but but I think every ball is his. He's coming down with it, maybe inbounds, maybe albounds. He's making outstanding plays. I just think that he is. He is the best receiver on the team right now. I think he's having the best camp for any player out here. Yeah, I'll tell you what I would. I like what you're saying, though. I think the best player I've seen has been Tyrant Smith myself.

Just watching how you know he's man. People want to hear that too, Yeah, exactly. And hopefully the health and all that takes care of itself. I said it earlier. I'm looking to see who is going to be the backup defensive ends on this team. I was really worried coming in about Dorance Armstrong. You know, bashing was a guy in OTAs. But then you say OTAs, I mean are we really getting? But Bashing was showing some quickness, some explosiveness. I was looking for the rotation of the

defensive tackles. I've seen some stuff from O DIGGI zuah that is really kind of like, okay, you know this is good. I like what I've seen Bohannah. The young guys they're playing, I said this, they're playing on the offensive side of the line of scrimmage. You know, that's what last year if you look at what happened with the Cowboys and the terrible run defense. You know, running back contact was a yard and a half beyond the line of scrimmage. What okay, you know that's got to stop.

And there's been some times. I know, the one run they had coming off the goal line yesterday was Zeke in a nice run. But for the most part, the quick, elusive Zeke is trying to find spots, you know. I mean, and again it's against the first offensive line. So as long as that front seven, you know, vander esh and on our show, I get on smith a on you know, I'm thinking, oh, you gotta get him off the field

and all that. The linebackers, I think the front seven, I think has played very very well and you know, and that that to me has been encouraging. I'm interested to see what happens with Hooker at safety though. Does that give him the true free because Wilson will come down and knock you sideways. He did it on the on the field yesterday, so if they could kind of figure that out. But I've been kind of impressed with that front seven on defense. I mean, that was pretty fun.

Like yesterday's practice wasn't that fun. It got you know, Lamb had a nice catch toward the end, but they were like a lot of runs, a lot of dinkin and duncan because they were coming off the goal line and doing all this four minute stuff. But first run of the day, Zeke goes off right tackle and like nobody, nobody touched him until he was twenty yards down field. And then the rest of the day he looked like a gazelle trying to get away from a pack of lions.

Like he's just just surrounded by guys. Every time he touches the ball. Well, they talk about wanting to run the ball. You better figure out what's going to happen with shortlts and Jarwin and those guys. We've seen down the field plays from those guys. And by the way, Keian O'Neill, who's had was in the non padded practices, was awful in coverage. Actually in the one on one stuff did a much better job of knocking the ball

loose and stuff. So that was encouraging. But yeah, they Mike McCarthy talks about surface and we've sumhaut surface blocking. It's man on man at that point of attack, and they they they've been losing some surface blocks in this. In some of these drills, you look at Keian O'Neill and he walks by or see him just you know, up close, and you're like, what, how was he ever

a safety? Yeah, like in the eighties, like you know, like, yeah, I mean, I understand, when you get told you're gonna, you know, be a linebacker, you probably build your body up a little bit different, but not it can't be that much that drastic of It's like he was ever a safety, Like that's wow, I mean box safety, of course, But I mean Barry Church was like the box safety. He didn't look like that. No, not at all. All right, we're gonna take our first break when we come back.

In true Brian brought us fat, and he came with a game. So we're gonna We're gonna let Brian take over the show and give us a little some questions he worked up in a little game when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio. Before there was a draft, you could sized up a cowboy by three simple factors. The crease at his hat, the bend of his brim, and his unbending attitude a man. Stetson didn't just protect him from what life through at him,

it projected a rugged, unstoppable spirit. Stetson hats are still American, made with pride. Right here in Texas. There's still the unofficial crowd of all self respecting cowboys, and Stetson is proud to be on the field with America's team. Find a retailer nearest hw at Stetson dot com, slash Cowboys The Cowboys Way, Where sixteen Hall of Famers and five

championships shows us what success looks like. Where Turkey is always the second best part of Thanksgiving Day, Where we are all defined by one single thing, the Star, Where we as fans know it's our job to keep the tradition going. Give America is proud to be the official bank of the Dallas Cowboys and to support the quest of living life the Cowboys Way copyright twenty twenty Bank of America Corporation. Want to use what the pros use?

How about the official men's skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys, Jack Black. Right now you can get the Jack Black Starter, a curated collection of Cowboys locker room favorites, for just ten bucks with free shipping. The starter includes four Jack Black skincare favorites plus a full sized and tense therapy lip bomb. Go to get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys and use the code word team JB. That's get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys the Jack Black Starter,

ten bucks, free shipping. Honey, big news scary are you? Okay? Oh? I'm not Gary anymore. I'm Jackie Flash. What see? I want the latest smartphone, but the best deals are only for new customers. So to get a new customer deal, I change my name to Jackie Flash. Okay, but the best smartphone deals at AT and T for everyone new and existing customers. That's huge. Then guess who's getting a deal? Is it Jackie Flash? Jackie Flash? It's not complicated at

and t our. Best smartphone deals are for everyone. Restrictions apply. Is it att dot com for details. Back to the Break, Get on to mand Cowboys content on your home TV. Get the latest player interviews, video podcast, documentaries, and so much more. Download now on your connected TV. Welcome back to the That was a quick one. Welcome back to the second segment of the Break. People on here and

I'm working. We're alive time, Oxnard, California. It is day nine of Training Camp twenty twenty one, presented by American Airlines and Brian. Brian brought a game. We were about to go on their I went through all this hassle of putting together a rundown and send it to everybody, and we get here and Brian webs out of a game and it's way better than my rundown. So I was like, Brian, take over, let's play your game. Well, thank you, Derek. I appreciate that. You know. I always

love trying to put you guys. I want to take you off the fence. I want to make you have some opinions essence of who you are. I mean people, people all morning have been like tweeting at me, like yo, go get Helm and go get him. You know, boy thinks, So we'll see how this is gonna be fun. I'm ready, all right, So to the group, I pose these questions and here we go. Position group that's made the biggest jump in your eyes from the practices you've seen so far.

I'm gonna be all right. I mean whatever. I'll regret these words later. But defensive tackle Nevill Gallimore looks great, Quentin Bohana looks impressive. Ohso Diggi Zula looks like he's coming on. It's hard for me to say I've seen it. Well, No, that's not even true. Brent Urvan's batted some balls down, sure, so yeah, just I don't know. I feel I feel good about that right now, which I wasn't sure I would.

I will say you mentioned it earlier. But cornerbacks like I did not come into this training camp feeling that great about what they had at cornerback, and I think so far, even guys I wasn't necessarily expecting anything from Mike Kennedy um have shown up and have played really well. I would. I would have loved to see them with a Mari out there. That's just one more really great receiver that they would have to deal with. But but all things being considered, I think this cornerback group has

far exceeded any expectations I have for them. Yeah, I mean know that's gonna contradict what you say, but the wide receiver position from the depth of it, I mean, you know, no, it's top heavy, but you know, with a Mari being out, I think when you look at some of these receivers on the back end, I think it's gonna be interesting to see how it shakes out with special teams. Uh seventeen Turner Turner, Yeah, you know,

I was really surprised he even got resigned. He kind of got phased out of the team last year and then all of a sudden, now he's back. He's playing well. Um, you know, it's gonna be tough to keep Noah Brown at two billion dollars a year just for special teams in the fifth receiver, but you know he's playing. He's played pretty well too. And I know Daklack's thrown to him. Has Micah Parsons been the best defensive player in camp. No, but it's close. It's better Randy m He's been good.

I think my Mica and he looks great. I've already started to eat some crow on that, like, he looks fantastic. But I do think he still falls into that category of he's in a spot where it's a little bit easier for him to make splash players from time to time. When you factor in the rushing and some of the others fun stuff that they have him doing. I think he's been the most impressive because of you think about the learning curve as a good that's a really good point.

But yeah, I mean it's not like Randy's been out there a ton either in his five or six years. So this is you know, this is great for both of them. You guys know it a training camp. You tend to take for granted the guys who have been here, and not to say Randy's just been here, but you know Randy, right, It's Parsons is something that's new. It's like what we're talking about earlier with Tyren Smith, like

sometimes you kind of just take it for granted. Well, Tyrn's doing what Tyron does and you don't even think about how great he's been. But he's just doing what he does, so so you don't put him in the same category to say a ceede lamb, who's a little bit newer, right, um, And so I think it's that kind of thing like Parsons just newer. And so for me, he stood out more because he's newer. But if you really evaluate it, I kind of agree it's Randy. Randy's

been the guy that's probably been most oppressive defensively. You know what sucks about these games, I don't always don't get to answer you. You do get to you just don't like like that's the thing you're asking these questions, but if you want to hear your answers. But because I say that, because I do it in a way that I do believe he's been the best defensive players. So if I ask yeah, I means you're kind of thinking, yeah, okay, you can kind of pick up on what Brian's thinking.

I'm just trying to kid like he's leading you down the past, so you can slam I played Perry Mason with you here. I know the answer already as you speak. Okay, guys, does Blake Jarwind need be worrying about his starting job? Apparently he does ll yes, Because we've been talking about this. I've been a big proponent of fact that I think I think Schultz is just as good, if not better, just my opinion. I just don't care because this is this,

This isn't Jason Witten. We're talking about, like neither one of them is gonna play ninety nine percent of the snaps and never come off the field like they're gonna do some twelve personnel. They can rotate these guys. They'll probably both play north of sixty percent of the snaps or something. Oh maybe not that high, but like they'll both have a healthy percentage. I don't care who's on the field for the first snap. I think they're both going to be very involved. It's not really an answer.

I'm sorry, whatever, Well, I mean it makes sense. It's not like where I'm talking about quarterback or say, it's like the loser of this battle is not gonna be on the bench all year. They're both gonna play. Yeah. I threw a lot of dirt on Dalton Schultz, by the way, to the point where he blocked me on Twitter. I think we all do not that much. Blocked on

Twitter by Dalton Schultz. Yeah, I'm the radio. I threw a lot of dirt on him, and he had a great season last year for him, and I think the question when I'm talking to people just how how much he could stretch the defense. Yes, he's turned around, he's getting eight and ten twelve yards. That's great first down, right, but can he extend the defense like Jarwin has? And so far we've seen some of that. So if he does that, then yeah, I think it is going to

be a tough competition. Okay, I was told this. If I told you, when the lights come on, DeMarcus Lawrence will be ready to go. How do you feel about that? When you you're saying Tampa, yeah, those lights. If DeMarcus Lawrence doesn't get a game rep until Tampa, I'm I don't care. It's fine with me. He looks he looks fine out there. He looks like he looks a lot slimmer. He looks slim as hell. He looks like he's in good condition. He's back in a scheme that he's familiar with.

Like I mean, he knows what dan Quinn wants from him. I mean, would you prefer him to get a little work, of course, But if he's not, if he's not gonna do anything until Tampa Bay, I'm fine. I'm fine with that too, But my preference would be go out there, do three or four pass rushes against Jacksonville and get out of there and get ready for the season. There are a lot of players on this team that I would feel great about them doing nothing until Tampa Bay.

He's one of them. I don't worry about DeMarcus, but I will outthrow this question back at you, Brian. Yeah, what were your thoughts of how because this is something that's kind of a flashpoint for a lot of fans, how DeMarcus played last season. See, I thought that to me when you start talking about complete defensive ends, don't we all focus on the sacks and things like that. We focus on the money. But and I'm not talking about look at pro football focuses numbers and stuff like that.

But if you watch how you play, how do you take on blocks, how do you get rid of blocks, how do you make plays you know, tackles behind the line, how do you get pressures? You know? How do you run down to play from the backside. These are things that if you know you get game passed, you can watch your own eyes. Do you go back and you could watch him and it's like, oh, he didn't get the sack, but he forced the guy to make a bad throw. You know, I felt like that, you know.

He I thought he played really, really, really well. And but people are gonna blast him because of the money and stuff like that. That's just the way it is. Oh, he didn't have twelve and a half sacks, you know, and all that. I know, it's a complete player that you're looking for right here. So be honest with you. If he can complete play and Randy Gregory can have all the sacks, I'd be totally okay with Yeah. I'd be totally okay with that. Yeah, that's the DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, man,

DeMarcus ware and greg Ellis type combination. Right, Yeah, Yeah, I would be. I would like to see Lawrence get some work. I'm a little bit worried about the first game being outdoors in Tampa with the heat and humidity, you know, and and I worry about wearing down in that game and not being in game shape. That's my only concern about him. Not get quarterback is good? Yeah, he yes, it is good. Well, the thing that helps him is they have they're gonna have two weeks back

in Dallas and hopefully hopefully. Yeah, they spend a lot of that time outdoors yet used to the humidity, getting used to the heat, because out here is you're not getting no no, this is a perfect place to ever practice football. Grass field, it's somewhat grass and then and then the outdoors, the conditions and stuff like that. Okay, uh more oppressive Maurice Kennidy or Malik Turner, Andy Kennedynny's really good. I mean Turner Turner has been, you know,

good playing and they're both very similar. They're gonna help you one special teams. But if they can show a little bit of their own position to show you know that's not just a CJ. Goodwin that they're not going to really play out there. But if he can play, Kennedy, if he can play, so they're both good. But I go with Kennedy. He's made. He's he's actually stepping in as a starter on the in the slot and he's getting a couple of picks. Yep, he's getting his hands

on the football. Which Malik Turner's gotten some run with the starters too, because he was fourth and two into practice. The other day they ran sprint ride option with Dak and who'd he throw the ball to on fourth and two, he looks throw it to Cede Lamb. He threw it to Turner on the out He looks for seventeen a lot he does like his first like he probably his best throw a camp to date was like day one, down the far sideline and found Turner on like a

crossing route. Is Cedric Wilson safe to make this team? See? It feels like we kind of well, wow, that okay. Even Derek thinks you're dumb for even asking. Yes. See, that's where I kind of with you on this. I know he's not. He's not allow the money, follow the money. I mean I would be Noah Brown though, right, Noah Brown, I would be more concerned about him than Cedric Wilson. It depends on who bones Fossils wants, Right, that's that's

gonna be sure. That's gonna be if you're following the money, Noah Brown's the guy you should be. Like, I don't know, is it two million dollars tender for Wilson? Like two point one I think or maybe one point nine yeah, or something like that. But yeah, I I to me when when we came out here, I was thinking, Okay, do you carry six? Because scouts from office always likes to protect the draft. You see, Simmy makes a catch, Simmy makes a catchy, Simmy has that mean. Turner's done

more things than Simmy heads. So now you're starting to think, Okay, they keep five or they keep six, you know, all right, but then which And the thing with Cedric is just he does so much like he's your fourth receiver. It's two for two throwing the ball last year, he sure was has a touchdown pass. He's he's one a on as a punt returner and might even be depending on the situation. They'd probably send him out ahead of CD if it was like a situation where they're not looking

for a return. He's currently one of your starting flyers on punt punt punt team, like he's out there, so they're expecting a lot of him. And just that versatility makes me think that he's probably safe. And look, no disrespect to Lak Turner, he looks great. But yeah, we do the same, you see, That's what I'm saying. The first thing I thought of was lance Lenore. Yet I thought a Lance Lenore every receiver that's ever. But the thing about Turner, he started three games in the NFL

in Seattle. I mean he's made starts. He's all the way back to Jamaica. Rector, he could do that now, he could do that. He could he could go all the way back on you. Okay, Uh, would you be okay with with Basham and Armstrong as your backup defensive ends? I'm all right with that as of now. Yeah, I think, so what other choice do I have? I mean Bradley

and I Yeah, he's been he's been injured. We're gonna get We're gonna get to Bradley and I. You know this, this coaching staff seems to have and not dealing this coaching staff, even the last coaching staff, there's something about Dorn's Armstrong that they just kind of like, I think and and coaching staff. Yeah, it's one named Jerry can remember. Armstrong's good. Yeah. I mean I just I think that I think he's a guy that that that they like a little bit and not Honestly, I don't think he's

disappointed on the field. I think, yeah, I played okay, I think I think watching him play, I'm more comfortable with that. I was like, I was always really pushing hard for Bradley and I wanted to see because I've seen his tape at Utah. I know Dave's watched his tape at Utah and stuff. I had a lot of hope for him, I really really did. But Armstrong is shown up. I mean they've used him in a couple whether it's right or left. I mean they've run him on some twist games. He's able to get home. He

was out in coverage one day exactly. I mean, so you know these guys, there's some comfort there. I mean I've seen him go against Collins and actually have some good reps. So yeah, I'm more comfortable with Basham and Armstrong than I was because I was searching who is going to be the backup defensive ends. I don't know. I don't know the answer to this, but there's an unhealthy dynamic between what we do with the draft show and when you come time for August, because you know,

you study the draft. Bradley and I as a hell of a player, like he's a Senior Bowl MVP. He was a big time player in a major conference. But you followed the fifth round for a reason, and it reminds me of Jabril Cox. You know, steal of the draft, played great at LSU, made this jump from North Dakota State, and like, and then people get frustrated because they're like, well, you said he's amazing, why isn't he out here doing stuff?

I'm like, well, he's behind the twelfth overall pick, the eighteen nineteenth overall pick from a few years ago, the seventy million dollar man, and the pro bowler who came from Atlanta with Dan Quinn, Like, where where do you want him to go? What do you want against grown men? It is everybody here is good, right, yeah? And it like I almost like you got to reset your expectations from the for the draft picks. As soon as they're picked, you're like, we feel really good about this, but like

now you're here and it doesn't matter anymore. And that's why I say that, because and and you know, maybe Bradley and I'll show something, especially you know, he didn't have a chance to get into preseason games last year. Maybe he'll get out there and just wreck shop. But I think the expectation of people who follow the draft versus the reality they just don't match up. Right now, Well, we talk about what a good pick it was with Cox. You get a guy that can cover. We were worried

about run defense. That was something coming into camp that I was going to keep my eye. How could he play? Can he get off blocks? And he? Shit? The problem I'm having with him, he's not even lining up on special teams. He's they're not they're not They're not putting him on the He's a scout team cover guy. He's a scout team punt guy. He's not being given a lot of opportunities, not at all. So but that but that doesn't make him a bad pick, not at all.

Hard to adjust to the end, No, no, but I was kind of hopeful that that they would find a way to get him on the field. Yeah, that hasn't happened yet. Okay, speaking of getting on the field, But the guys without sponsors, you know that's my thing, right, Yeah, they have to have a sponsor to make these teams sometimes. Tristan Hill, Reggie Robinson, Bradley and I who's in the

biggest trouble of the guys without sponsors? Of the three that you just well, why do you why do why don't they have sponsors just because the coaching sta Yeah yeah, but I mean Will Will and his guys are all still. These are the coaches, are the ones that will step up. A scout will even tell you. The scouts say, listen, it doesn't matter if we're here. I think Hill has

some sponsors. I do. I feel like I've heard his name a lot that the people try to tell me how great he played, like he was a guy, remember that the whole thing. Yeah, I thought he played solid last year was coming on. He looked like he was with some go on a little but I mean, he's gonna be probably on pop. That's so I was about. So, first of all, I agree with you just from being around I think the interior perception of Tristan is different

than the exterior perception. But and this sucks for Tristan, but maybe he's in a situation where he won't be ready anyway, and so it's not even you know, maybe you stash him on a list when the season starts. I'm not he seems like he's still got some work to do before he's ready to play, so that that might be well. Robertson's the one guy's plays Robinson shown you anything. Yeah, that was the one. I was going

to say that to me is the way. I think that's the answer to your question, because he's been out there and I really haven't seen much good there. There have been plays where I've seen him. He's the guy that's that's clapping after the play. But in a corner back group where you got a lot of competition right now and a lot of guys who were making splash plays,

he's not one of them. So I think right now, if I had to pick one of those three, I would say it would be him because I just haven't seen him do anything that a lot of other guys this position are doing. I think the same applies to an eye, and I agree with you about Reggie. I think the same applies to an eye for the same reason, Brian, just like I think Dorn's Armstrong and Terrell Basham are going to be on this team right and obviously so are Randy and Tank and now, so that's for right there.

How many are you gonna keep? And don't forget about Jahncy Golston. They're not cutting a third round pick. I don't care what he does out here, They're not gonna cut him. You know. Reggie, Robinson, Bradley and I they've played as many preseason games as we have, you know, so they they your point, want them to kind of see that they haven't gotten that opportunity. They're going to They're gonna, they're gonna get out there. So it's but how many for Robinson, how many special teams players can

you keep that are kind of special teams? I think Goodwin's making it, Kennedy's probably making it too, you know, and and then Noel Brown on that side, or Turner. It's such a sorry, it's such a relief to know we have these games though as like last year, this would not this is not a premature conversation last year, because this is just all we have to go on.

Right to go back to Lance Lenore, you know, he was he was the stud of camp for like two years running and until they put him in back there against the Rams to feel punch, so they put him in a game. Period. And so our opinions are going to drastically change from Canton from Phoenix and hopefully for the better, but maybe for them. All that takes is one sack by Bradley and I absolutely screaming off the edge, just you know, just bury some quarterback and on and

we'll be in here Monday and somewhere else. He's on the team. Rad Sham brought up George Selvey the other day because like he made the team because of what he did in the Hall of Fame game. I mean that was eight years ago, but that stuff matters. Selvey. All right, we're going to take our final break. When we come back. I want to get some opinions from you guys, particularly Brian, before you head out of training camp.

We're gonna go through the positions and I'm gonna have these guys give you a little bit of a position updates, some things that they may have learned about the positions in the practices that have happened so far, or maybe some things that have kind of heightened there are the level of alertness to particular positions. We'll talk about that when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. Hi. I'm Clid Tillison with United Aggin Turf.

Before you can park yourself in front of the game, park yourself in a John Dear and power through your chores. Our land Run package is a ten twenty five R twenty five horsepower tractor with a loader, rotary cutter, and a box Blade for two twenty nine a month, and the price you see is the price you'll pay. No surprises, so don't miss another kickoff. Visit United agginturf dot com. Offer ins February first, twenty twenty one. Restrictions aplenty see

dealer for details. Now let's get to work. Honey, big news, Gary? Are you okay? Oh? I'm not Gary anymore. I'm Jackie Flash. What see? I want the latest smartphone, but the best deals are only for new customers. So to get a new customer deal, I change my name to it Jackie Flash. Okay, but the best smartphone deals at AT and tare for everyone, new and existing customers. That's huge. Then guess who's getting

the deal? Is it Jackie Flash? Jackie Flash? It's not obligated at AT and T our best smartphone deals are for everyone. Restrictions apply. Visit att dot com for details. New Doctor Peppers zero sugar. You deserve it. I do deserve that. You deserve decadent flavor without sugar, and a day at the beach without sand getting everywhere, and a relaxing bath that your children don't interrupt. I deserve all that's least A visual metaphor for doctor Pepper zero sugar.

Everything you want, nothing you don't a visual metaphor on the radio. I do deserve that, Doctor Pepper zero sugar. The zero you deserve is finally here. Before there was a draft. You get sized up a cowboy by three simple factors. The crease in his hat, the bend of his brim, and his unbending attitude a man. Stetson didn't just protect him from what life through at him. It projected a rugged, unstoppable spirit. Stetson hats are still American,

made with pride right here in Texas. There's still the unofficial crown of all self respecting Cowboys, and Stetson is proud to be on the field with America's team. Find a retailer nearest you at Stetson dot com. Slash Cowboys Back to the Break, don't miss your chance to see the Cowboys at AT and T Stadium the season. A limited number of single games, standing room only tickets are on sale. Now get yours today. I'm Dallas Cowboys dot com slash tickets. Welcome back. Final segment of the Break.

Life from Oxnard, California. We're talking Cowboys football. We got our guy Brian brought us here with us this morning.

We are going to here in the last segment, give you guys kind of a general overview of what these guys have seen, and we're gonna break it down by positions, and really where I want you to focus here is I'm going to give you a position or a group, and I want you guys to tell me something you think you've learned about that group that you didn't know coming in, or something that you've kind of just noticed that's starting to pique your interest in a particular player

or a position group. Let's start first with running backs and fullbacks. Brian, you up. Yeah. I think the thing is that they're trying to find ways to incorporate more of Tony Pollard onto the field. And I think that's a good thing, and it's not something that happens all the time, but it's just not the normal Okay, go in there and spelled Zeke. It's like it's like Zeke on the field Pollard, whether it's split slot, I mean, backfield. They're trying to find ways. This team's did a really

good job. I felt like the screen passes that they've run, they've been able to kind of shake him loose and Zeke loose a couple of different times. This coach has a history of playing with a fullback, which is interesting. You know, he doesn't have a John Coon or somebody like that here that he's had in the past. But I'm interested to see if, in fact they do try

and carry one or find one to bring in. But I do like what I've seen with the two running backs and how they've been able to corporate both those guys. McCarthy actually had a really interesting quote yesterday. He was asked about keeping a fullback, and he talked a lot about how much more they want to run a two back offense this year, and he was talking about it

in the context of having a fullback. But I was just thinking about Pollard the whole time he was talking, because I think that's that's one of the most important challenges for his coaching staff this year, is to find ways to have him be a bigger part of this thing, because he needs to be. And I mean, you know, I know Zeke's gonna be the bell cow and he

should be. I'm looking at Pollard's snap counts from last year and other than the game that Zeke didn't play, it hovered between like twenty two and thirty three, and that's that's gotta be that's gotta be more. And so that's I think that's that's like line one for Kellen Moore honestly, because like we I mean, Amari and Lamb and got like all those guys are gonna be out there, but you got to find a way to use that more often as you've got nine guys that are going

to be out there a lot. Five five Lineman, dak zeke uh and then I would say CD and Cooper. So that's nine. What do they do with those other spots? You know what? What what are they gonna do with? Is it two tight ends? Is it one tight end and gallop? It's is it Gallop and Pollard? Is it a fullback? That's the key Schulton in that in that

mix two. So um, you know, I don't know if that really answers your question, but I do think that that's that's going to be the key is where do they feel like they can they can run the ball the most or just move the offense. You know, he said he wants thirty thirty plus rushes a game. Well, you know that's really on Kellen Moore. In this offense,

they've struggled out of the gate. The best way to get a lead is to score in the first half, and you struggle early, then then you're you're, you know, you're, you're always playing the scrambling from behind. So I think preparation from Wednesday to Saturday needs to be better. That starts with Kellen Moore. That starts with the offense. They've got to be better to get leads early in the game so they can run the ball. You're going to your point about who they're gonna put out there. I

think it's gonna vary by the game. They talked a lot about there and though that opening press conference. They want to play match up football, and so every week they want to be able to go in and say where can we get our best matchup? So there maybe some weeks where twelve personnel is there is their great matchup for that week. There are other weeks that they

can use Tony Pollard a lot. So I think it'll vary from week to week and you'll see a different guy kind of stepping into an X factor role if you want to put it like that. Each week. Oh, I hope you're right. I hope it's I hope you're right. I hope it anges every week and it's not just we do what we do. Well, that's the way they're talking. We'll see if it actually turns out like that. All right, let's move on to the wide receiver. I'm gonna say

wide receiver slash tight end. Give me something that you've either notice or something that you're you know that you you think you've learned about that position group. Nick I mentioned receivers earlier as a as a spot that I thought that they've got some depth. They're gonna have some good decisions to make. We know in the preseason game, somebody's gonna, you know, catch our eye a little bit more. I mean anxious to see some of those guys at the back end they're gonna get to play. M Mitchell

Osirius Mitchell fourteen eighty, Brandon Smith. I'd like to just see see those guys. I think they've got something, as Devil point out, and he's not wrong. We see this every year. There's always going to be a guy or two like that. But but I am anxiously because they they went with a theme when they signed these free agents. It's like you've played basketball at some point in your life, you can definitely duncan alley. You've got big, tall, strong guys,

and so that's the targets that look before. Let's see how they playing games, right, Yeah, I think I'm gonna focus on the tight end aspect. They've got three guys I think that are all downfield players and including McKeon in there, you know who is going to be the blocker of this group if there is a commitment to trying to run the football and trying to have that surface I'm talking about and trying to be point of attack. Yeah, exactly sprinkled. Ye see, that's what I'm saying that that

that's who is that guy? I think they've got guys that are that are catchers. I don't think they have any blockers, and so you know they got it thirteen personnel. Yes, they put three tight ends out there and still got knocked back. You know, you can't have that. And so if there's a commitment, they're either they're gonna have to work the waiver wire, claim a guy whatever. But man, they do not have any blockers currently on this team. They play tight end. There's an answer there, just don't

run thirteen personnel. It sucks, it's bad. It's the worst personnel grouping in the in football, So don't do it. Um, I'm gonna give some love to the Michigan man. How about Sean mccun like ever, I mean, and Chelton jar would have looked good, but so is he. He made He made the catch of the day yesterday, one handed diving catch. They use him a lot, you know, the the dak waggle roll out and just kind of chuck it to the tight end coming across the flat, and

he's been doing a lot of that. Um. He made the team as an undrafted free agent last year. I think he's gonna make it again, which I guess I didn't think was a given when I got here. But he sure looks like he belongs on the roster. To me, thirteen personnel that really, it pisses me off when they do that because they just put the tight ends in there. It's like, okay, it's like you're just you're You're like, yeah, let's get in my phone booth. I don't want to

play a phone. You guys watch UFC, No, not really. I don't really watch that much either, but I know this. I know this. No, I mean, I've seen it enough to know. You got strikers. You got guys to get on the mat and wrestle. If that's not your thing, if you're not really a good wrestler, then don't get on the mat because somebody's gonna beat you. And that's what they do. They say, we're gonna bunch everything in

and go going big. But guess what our three tight ends are Shultz, McEwan and Jarvion, and they're not big, so they get pushed back. Why don't we spread them out and go you. I could blob it up to CD. We all seen in the video what CD can do. Cooper can do this. We can spread it out, or we can run our quarterback up the mental Yeah. To your point, though, Nick, if you're gonna put a tight end out there that can't block, go in, put Pollard out there right, just then open it up that way.

This team should be like, make the defense go small. Stop enough of this. It drives me crazy that NFL teams refuse to run ten personnel. Honestly, get four receivers out there, make the defense go tiny to handle all of them. Then give the ball to zeke and watch him bulldoze the cornerbacks that are trying to tackle them. Like, I don't know, this doesn't seem complicated to me. To me,

says tiny Jim. Exactly. We heard it here first. All right, let's move on offensive line, Dave, oh shoot, offensive line. Offensive line. Um, they're the guys in front, thank you, yes guy? Yeah, Um, I've been. I was. I was bullish on the tackles, being healthy all year. So like I feel, I feel good that they are. I know, tyrants sitting out right now, but I don't care about

that yet yet. Being the operative word. Um, I guess just you know, I, me and Nick both have been beating the drum all spring of like what why don't they have any other centers? What the hell's going on? And so it's been interesting to watch Connor cross train there and Brian's trying to fire be honest, already like

a weekend to camp. He wants Connor playing center. I'm not ready to go there yet, but I do think, you know, he looks natural at it for a guy that had never done it until maybe two months ago. So I'm not ready to say that's a position battle, but I I feel like by the time we get to the season, I feel like that's it's nice to know he can do that. I'm kind of waiting for

all five of these offensive linemen to play together. Have we had a practice if I mean, I know, initially we the yeah, like the first the first two or three, and then all of a sudden it became the day and then no, not exactly, it was all yea, so that there. But I will say this, I think they're in the same spot they were last year as far as those backups. If they have to play with those guys, they're in trouble. I'm just gonna be honest with you here. I don't think Titan and Sicky can play as a

swing tackle. I really don't. I think he's too slow footed, you know, And that's where it's gonna happen. Maybe it's gonna be, oh, we're gonna have to kick Zach Martin over, or oh we're gonna have to kick Connor Williams out, or oh we're gonna have to do something else. But man, they talk about the whole thing with steel in the weight room and improvement. You could have fooled me, you know, really, you could have fooled me. And you know, but that's why I was. I was expecting that him and night.

You know, an off season. You know, hey, we're not We're not closing down the weight room anymore. Get in there, you know, and maybe they have. They keep talking about they got in there, and then you watch it's not translating. All the little awards that we're getting for being strong man in the weight room is not translating to how we're playing on the practice field right now. I don't disagree with that. I yeah, to tell you how thought

it looks pretty good actually on the right side. No, I saw a couple of plays, um, but I just feel like, man, I'm excited about that they actually kept playing them. You know. It's it's one of those things that we didn't like it necessarily at the time, but because they did, and it got him a high draft pick, not just because of him, but they kept playing that, you know, that mindset, and they lose, they lost games. They got a high draft pick, and they got parsons

and all that stuff. And now you're sitting with a guy that maybe a swing tackle maybe and he's got fifteen or sixteen game, fifteen games under his belt. He will see what he does in the in the preseason. But you know, he was a guy that played okay at times, but when he had bad moments like Dad got hurt and you know, got hit and fumbled, they lost the game against the Rams, or they had him fumble changed the game against the Browns. So you can't

have those. I'm gonna do my broadest impression real quick. I'll ask you a question as Steel played on the left side at all at this camp. I have not seen him on the left side, which is interesting, neither of us. It's not very swinging, is it, know. And and they've also and what they've done is they've also kicked Night in playing more guard. I think, yeah, if you talk, you talked to the guys in the front office,

I think Night's a better guard. But oh Diggy, the two sacks he's had have been against Night on the swim move right through the middle of the pocket, So you know, I just feel like they're kind of in the same shape. Well, and I was kind of had some hope about Ball. I had some hope about Ball, and I haven't seen anything from Ball that makes makes me. But he's gonna play in all these preseason games. He's gonna he's gonna get a letter jacket play in this preseason.

You're such a jerk. I do think I do think thinks looked pretty good. I think mcgoverness looked fine. I mean, I don't I'm trying to say if they have to play with one of these tackles, I hear it. But Lyle Collins has had some problems too now and in a way that I'm like, you know, is it rust that he looks lighter, he's moving? But man, give the defensive ends some credit for the way they've kind of come after these gutters defensive line, Nick oh Um, A

lot of questions there at the tackle position. Um, you know, they just got a lot of numbers we didn't know going in. We've kept our eye on Bohannah. You have Bohannah going to Canton next weekend, staying Canton. They're gonna make But I have scouts agree with you. By the way, I think Dan dan quinn said when they drafted him, he's gonna play right here and maybe right here, you know, just right over the center. I don't think that's been the case. No, I think they they've been able to

move him like a tackle because he moves well. One of those one of those screens I was talking about that they've been running pretty well. It's like they went full flow to his right and they tried to sneak Zeke the other way and he's like, I'm gets rid of the honest and goes and get Zeke in the battlefield right there. And that's to be fair to Dan Quinn, I think our man has lost like thirty five draft on tape. You don't see on tape this guy. You see a three hundred and fifty pound guy going up

and dominating Vanderbilt's middle of the line. But they'll be or because that's where he did. He did like all his highlights. Well, he wasn't just you know, going back there against Alabama and whatever. I mean he was he was. He got jam And Davis, who the football team took it in the first on. That linebacker from Tucky's really good. I mean he got him drafted because he was able

to free run and make a lot of play. Joseph maybe and the corner like I don't the cornerbacks have looked fine, and they've obviously like they've gotten their hands on a lot of balls, like I'm not ready to make this leap that I think that they look amazing yet. But we talk about cornerbacks about but I'm bringing it back to the first segment when Derek said, the cornerback you're just kind of taking. But I'm like, I just I've seen, like there's I've seen basically everybody along that

front do something encouraging. Bohanna looks amazing. Might be a stretch, but Bohanna looks really good. No, not, no, he's not. Because if you're just Leary Urban, that's what I want to He hasn't, which I mean, he's made some plays, but I will say it's honestly, it's the guy that we all rode off the minute he got here that's been doing most of that is Carlos Watkins. Everybody was like this bub from Houston, he'll get cut, and he's the he's the starting one tech right now. The pro

guys had a bad year last year. Year before they did a great job with the Quinn trade and all that made that work. They had a bad, bad evaluation period last year. All those defensive linemen they brought in world busts, you know, and so you know, yeah, if they can with bash him. You know, Urban, those guys. I mean, I'm still waiting. I thought when the Pads came on that Urban would be more He's he's you know, he's knocked down a couple of passes and stuff like that.

But I thought he would be more of a powerful guy. But it has been I'll tell you, Neville Gallimore has been a guy that all of a sudden, you talk about a guy that the light bulb has kind of come on for him. The body looks good, the mobility looks good. The way he's getting up the field, he's been hard to lock, you know, you guys. He gets guys on their heels. I think that's been a real positive sign there. It makes me nervous because he wears the same number as Malik, and I mean, I'm oh, no,

I had that. I had visions of every vision to MALIEK. Collins, like kind of going well against Frederick and then going well against Martin, and then you learned that Frederick is not all there, you know of a thing, and so yeah, that's that's part of It's tough. Every year. I came out here and thought Malik was about to be a pro bowler, but that's I mean, that's how that Neville looks fricking awesome. I hope it actually translates for him.

Linebacker our favorite position. Uh, Mike, Mike is a stud. I was, I was. We were both down on the pick. I think me and Brian both probably would have taken Rashawn Slater. Yeah, is it a position I would Yeah, I would have taken Rashaans later. But I wasn't down on the pick because I thought he could be a good players like Slater. And then Bolton was availed to Missouri. Linebacker was available in that second round, and I was kind of thinking, oh, wow, you could have got that

guy in a shorter linebacker that could tackle and run. Yeah, that seemed like to be That was a kind of a dan Quinn fit. Mister four or seven from Missouri can't do what Mike is doing out here. There's no question he's making He's making me look bad for not I thought he was a super talented guy. But I'm just like, is this too high for an off ball linebacker? But that's what makes him so exciting, is he smiling off ball linebacker. He's doing a lot of other stuff,

his GP, his GPS stuff, is off the charts. I'm sure when they go back and they're like, Okay, who's got the highest movement of all that, it's it's him. Every day there's corners that run a lot and receivers that run a lot. I guarantee he's his right almost off the charts. And the funny thing too, I was talking about this at practice with somebody yesterday. He I mean, all these guys are huge and impressive and incredibly good athletes, but like, he doesn't look like Superman, you know, like

Layton and Jalen look like action figures. They're like, oh, I mean we say this all the time. I'm like, if Jalen's first guy off the bus, especially when he's in uniform with the chrome visor and the sweatpants, he's first guy off the bus. Mica doesn't look that physically impressive compared to those guys, but he's sure as hell moves impressive, like, way more impressive than anybody else. And it makes me wonder, put this dude into weight program

next year. Imagine what he's gonna look like. This show up looking terrifying. Yeah, yeah, I think you did say that. A couple of ships. Well, he I tell you one time I was watching the one on one pass or shirt two verse two, and he dropped down and took a rep as a defensive tackle. Yeah, I went, he's okay, listening around the air, He's impressive, very impressive, nick linebacker. Um, I haven't seen Jalen Smith make a play. I haven't.

You guys have maybe seen more plays. I haven't seen him really go out and go wow, okay, that was a good play. I see him in coverage of little little bit. I see him high five in people. I see him kind of there, right, But I don't necessarily see the play, you know, And now I get it. He is a physical player when he wants to be. When he wants to go downhill and hit people, he can, and we haven't got to see that. So you know, you might see a little bit more physicality. And I

think dan Quinn's gonna get him in position. But um, you know, I'm trying to talk good about him. I think I think we kind of decided, hey, let's let's just let things play out. We don't need to trash this guy. But he's just not making a lot of plays. He's not and he doesn't help himself with some of the things he says, it's just it's it's tough. You you want to kind of look for the good stuff, and I just haven't really seen any. Yeah, I think

Nick's onto something. I think dan Quinn's gonna figure out. He's gonna be part of what they're doing. But what happens when you watch him play, especially in coverage, he immediately has to grab, He immediately has to tackle to slow the receiver up so he can put himself in position. I think they're gonna look get that and tape. They're gonna say, Okay, we can't put him on the field and coverage situations. I think when it's talks about down down and distant stuff that he probably won't be on

the field very much. I think there'll be some things they have him in the rotation, but overall, I think they're saying, hey, a little bit of a liability and coverage, we need to keep Parsons on the field, we need to keep band resh. Those guys have been outstanding us to talk about all the round players, both those guys first and ten. Though first and ten, the first time the Bucks take the field, will he be on the field.

I think you don't care if he comes off, well, it depends on if the Bucks go eleven personnel and try and spread you out kind of a thing, which they will. No, I need them to go heavy and give it to Leonard if they if they go heavy, then then yeah, he'll be on the there's a little

banging on. It's not gonna matter because places eating Tampa by the way, because NBC when they are on the field, you know, and even if it's'll probably be a second or third down there, it looks look at that Cowboys defense and he's gonna be like smooth Notre Dame and it's gonna that's a good point. Yeah, No, I he just needs to have the little star next to his name on Pro Football Reference when the games a star.

That's all. That's all. He didn't matter if he gets three snaps, he could play one as long as it's the first one. All right, fair enough, Let's go on real quickly, you real quick? Uh the infore me in the show. Let's get the secondary. Give me something you've noticed about the secondary or something you've learned about the secondary? Um, I mean, which you know he's he's he is now in a battle with Malie Cooker and maybe they brought

him in because they're not impressed on tape. You know, tape and what we see at field levels totally different. But I'm amazed by Demante Casey just just being out there again, like we said that in the spring, just being as ready to go as he is, and like it doesn't seem like he's on a veteran schedule. He's not taking off days. He's doing everything and by the way he's making plays. He picked six dak the other day.

He had another pick against Gilbert yesterday. Uh. And it's fun because we get to watch from the end zone and you can kind of watch, you know, if you go back and watch these videos we take from practice, you can see Casey identify what's going on, make the read step in front of the ball. So that's exciting. Now, Like I had no expectations for that guy whatsoever. I think they gave him one hundred thousand dollars guaranteed. That's nothing that is we don't. Yeah, let's give it a shot,

and if it doesn't work out, nobody cares. But like he looks good out there, and I didn't think that might be the case. I think when you look at cornerback. It's the one position that you can say I mean again, it goes pretty deep, but you can say this, these guys will be on the fifty three if they're healthy. You know, one to seven. I think it's pretty easy to go seven corners. Now. I know they're gonna be

kind of special teams guys. But you know, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis and digs and then you've got the two draft picks, and I think they're both gonna make it go with Joseph and the Sean right and then Kennedy and CJ. Goodwin our corners, but they're also gonna be special teams guys. Cannedy showing he's given me more than that. What about a guy like Deontay Burdon. He's been out there a lot, They've been playing him a lot. I know. I just he made plays in the OTAs in mini camps.

I haven't noticed him as much in these practices and stuff like that. I think Nick's you guys are on about the seven. That means you're gonna have to go light somewhere else? Did he go light at linebacker? Can you go light at defensive line? Can you go light? I mean you go probably light at quarterback, they'll probably keep two. But if you're gonna keep that extra special teams that bones Fossil is gonna get his three core special teams guys to go along with the three guys

that he's got already the snapper, the kicker, and the punter. Yeah, you're gonna have to find another spot for something to take to be able to get one of those guys on breaking Like the secondary gives me anxiety, just like trying to figure out what to do with that that's playing better though they had, but they have been playing

better that I was thinking that. And I've talked about the safety being a mess position even you know, even the Thompson had an interest an overthrown did so, you know, Yeah, I'm I'm anxious to see Hooker because I think Hooker and Wilson what I know about Malik Hooker playing in college, and I'm just I'm praying that comes back to that guy. That's a guy that plays with range. He was one of the best defensive players I scouted in that draft.

I'm hoping his health is okay and he can play with that range, play in the middle, play off the hash helps him the coverage, walk down and covering the slot if he has to, those are all things you need him to do. Talk about wearing that twenty eight. Maybe that's that's maybe. Actually this is a conversation. I did have a conversation a little bit with Darren yea as. I texted him and he like five days later responded. But I texted him the picture of twenty eight and

I was like, I'm not okay with this. Nobody is. He finally texted me back and he was like, it's typical. Darren Woodson only cares about really one thing. He's like, ha, can he play? Yeah? Right, I don't care, but he played. Hey, we time will tell. Yeah, he needs to stay healthy, like he is capable of living up to it absolutely, which is they used to. They've been given that number out the scrubs for the last few years. At least Malie Hooker's got some pedigree. He sure does. Wait, so

real quick, I know we got in the show. Do you. I was talking about this somebody yesterday. Do you think Kasey and Hooker can both make this team? Doesn't that seem kind of redundant to you? Yeah? Well, I mean if you if if Kazy. It's funny to me because Casey's so small, but he could probably play a better, be a better maybe a cover guy or something. But I don't. I don't think so. I mean both, they're both gonna be the free They can't play strong. I don't.

They don't. They're not gonna play a ton of special teams. The reason why I think Casey looks so good is because he knows what dan Quinn's gonna call. When dan Quinn makes a call, he totally understand Abel's has to think. He doesn't have to think. But I also think you got to remember to day, like the reason why Hooker's out there is because injuries have all have been an

issue for him. So so if you do I think, I think if this team is I think, I don't think they can be shortsighted and say, well, if looker looks good, we're good. Yeah. I think they got a say, we gotta make sure we got a good as good equality as we can get as a backup. I'm not I'm not trying to hand the job to anybody. I just think we just had this conversation about you don't know where these roster spots are going to come from. And they're kind of the same player like, and they

have a they it's specialized. Like you're not gonna get a ton of special team snaps out of them. They can't. They're not gonna play strong. It's not gonna be some Cazy's playing against Zeke all the time, Like he's not gonna play strong. Yeah, it's not gonna hurt them to cut CAZy if they have two. Money wise, sure they might have to play Wilson on special teams a little bit more. You know, he's kind of a starter, but yeah,

I think he can play it. You can do that. Yeah, all right, I don't want to ask one thing before we get going here do We got two hours, so I gotta get going. Brian, I don't think we really mentioned it when we start the show, just kind of tell tell the fans kind of where where you are now, what you're doing, where they can find you. Yeah, I'm gonna at one oh five three the fan and we're the radio partner with the team. So m really fortunate that way to get to come around and do stuff.

I'm really excited about working with Brad Champ too, doing the preseason games as well. Be on with the Arizona, the Jackson Houston Jacksonville games. Babe and Brad had the call. But yeah, you can listen to us. Um, you know, I'm on two to seventh Central every day. We have an app called the Odyssey App. We're owned by Odyssey and you could go back if you you know, want to come back and listen to us. We did three live mics. We were on the field, we were doing

a lot of stuff. So yeah, but we're we're the we're the official station of the Cowboys, So give us a listen. Well, g back Nation two to seven every day. Yeah, really good show. Thank you and uh, well, appreciate you join us. Man, thank you for having me back through and maybe we'll do it sometime later this year. We'll get I'll do that. And good luck to Bennett brought us. He's been running around the camps here for years. He's gonna be a starting quarterback. Here we go. Well, we'll

see how it all go. Yeah, thanks all right, guys, appreciate you. Johns. We'll be back on Sunday till then for Nick Eatman, Dave Helmt, Brian brought us. I'm Derek Eagleson. This has been the Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.