Cowboys Break: Questioning the NFC Beast?

to the latest edition of The Break. We're life from this WBC Mortage Studios. At the start, we're presented by millerlike the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Nick's out today, but I got the rest of the crew with me. Brian brought us Amber Garcia, and today is a big picture day. We'll take a look around some different topics around the Cowboys, give you guys some perspective. Brian's got

a game for us that we have for you guys. Yeah, we will get to here and maybe the second maniment before we do that, though, I wanted to start today's show talking a little bit about what happened last night in the National Football League. I'll say this for myself, watching Philadelphia lose made me feel just a tad bit better about what happened the night before, because I kind of assumed in my mind the NFC East was lost.

What's gone? All right? Yeah, well once Green once you lost the Green Bay, I'm like, okay, this must be done. And then last night you see a little crack in the armor. And now Phillies too, still just two games ahead of you. You still have a game against them, and what you start seeing is CNFC East is gonna be tough, not just for the Cowboys but for every team,

including Philadelphia. My question for you guys is did anything change in your minds regarding those two teams that played last night or just the NFC East in general after you watch last night's game. Well, that was one of my questions that I had for you guys. Today, we got it. Yeah, we can answer this one. And because one of the questions I had for you guys was should the Cowboys be worried about teams figuring it out for the playoff race? And I had Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Washington,

San Francisco. You know, should the Cowboys be worried about they? And we start to talk about the big picture of things that all of a sudden, you know, maybe there's some things you're dealing with and other teams are kind of like you know, Tampa Bay wins at Germany. UH. San Francisco finds a way to win a game without Jimmy Garoppolo throwing a touchdown pass Green Bay. Is that a mirage what they did in their game? You know, I know last night the Commanders. I know one thing

about the Commanders. They won't let you run the ball. Nope, they will not let you run the football. They are and one of the one of the worst rushing days you had as a Cowboy team this year was against the Commanders. And that's with Pollard and Zeke playing in that football game. So that kind of shows you if you know, they figure things out with quarterback wise there, I think that you know that, you know, Carson Wentz is due back. He don't know why you would play

Carson Wentz. If you're the Commanders, you know, just keep keep going with you know you're winning. You're five and five with this guy. Just keep going. The Giants they look better coached, they're committed team, They win close games. You know, the Eagles last night showed me a little bit of like that certain personnel that they don't have, whether that's Jordan Davis, guys like that. Oh, maybe you can run the ball on them, you know, maybe you can find a way. The Texans ran the ball on

them very very well. Yeah. So I think that everybody in this division kind of has their wartz. I think they all have their like hmm, if we could overcome this will be okay. But can we or is this the fatal flaw that's going to knock us out of the division race or the playoffs. Yeah, and you know, the Eagles have been playing really good, but they had it come and I didn't think it was going to happen last night against the Commanders, but it did. So

that was good. But you know, we talked about when we were about to face the Eagles. Brian brought up the whole point of how they perform in the second half. And I think that has been a trend that they kept up with. It's just they just don't perform as

well in the second half for whatever the reason. And the thing is, we're getting to that point where, yes, teams are starting to figure out other teams and that goes back to us the Cowboys, And that's my biggest concern is now on defense, what the Cowboys are doing against the run, what they're not doing. Let's just say what they're not being able to do against the run, and just having that as a demonstration that other teams came use to look back at yesterday, Well, no, yesterday

Sunday's game, look back at Sunday's game. See what the Green Bay Packers were doing, and I'll take that and kind of apply that when they face the Cowboys and that that's gonna be a problem. That doesn't you know. Listening to then Quinn talked to the media yesterday. His response usually I love everything that comes out of his mouth, but his response, they didn't necessarily give me a lot of, you know, hope or excitement or like thought that this

could be fixed rather soon or like quickly. It was just like, yeah, we know we got the right kind of guys. They can do it, but they just haven't done it just yet. So I don't have much help in that, and I am concerning that whole aspect of what the run defense is. But back to your point, Derek, I think we definitely are at a point where okay, now football is gonna get real good. Now it's gonna

be a really competitive season. And the Giants, Ryan, you mentioned them, and it's crazy because it's not just catching up to the Eagles and beating them. It's all so the Giants And now I mean you got the Commanders. I don't think they'll rise to the top competitive as well. The hope you have that you can figure it out is really what happened with the Commanders last night and what happened to him several weeks ago when they played the Eagles before, they gave up nine sacks. The first

time they played last night, they gave up three. They figured out that, like, oh okay, now this is how we pass protect. Maybe it is the quarterback. Maybe it's the running game having Robinson back. Maybe it is Terry mclara and those guys Dots and on the outside over there.

You know, maybe maybe all those things. But that gives you hope if you're the if you're a team that's looking like we couldn't pass protect the first time we played these guys, and to really only give up three sacks, I think that's you know, that's pretty That shows you that they kind of figured a little something out there about playing the playing the Eagles. Yeah, I'll throw this out.

I heard last week Jimmy Johnson was giving an interview and he's had something really interesting that I think, for me was validated last night. What he said was, if you notice how Philadelphia goes to your point, Brian, how Philadelphia kind of plays well in the first half and then it seems like they run into this brick wall. He said that offense is so unique in what it does.

It has been what his thought is, it's been taking teams that first half to kind of figure out after watching it, after playing against it, to kind of figure out, Okay, here's what they're doing, here's what we need to stop. And once that happens and the second half, teams have played a lot better against him, he said, He'll be The interesting part is what happens when teams get a

chance to play him a second time. Yeah, that's what we saw last night, phil I mean, Washington got a chance to play them for a second time and they didn't look near as lethal as they looked the first time. That's the part where he was like, I don't know if I'm buying into this Philadelphia team because they have a gimmicky type of offense. And when team when you have a gimmicky type of offense, it can work for

you for a while. At some point teams catch up and that's what we'll have to watch over these next several weeks. And as you say at Amber, maybe the same thing can be said about the Cowboys defense as well, like it kind of is all predicated on their ability to get to the quarterback. Well, if you take that part out of the game, does that now kill you because you can't stop the run? Now is when football gets really really interesting, as you mentioned. So here's the

question for you guys. If you have to look at every team in the NFC East and basically rate them from worst matchup for the Cowboys to easiest matchup for the Cowboys, how would you rate them? That's a great question. I think Philadelphia is the most difficult because of all the weapons they do have. I think tactically defensively, the Commanders give you a lot of problems because they can cover and they can create turnovers, so that would be

a problem. And then I think the Giants would be third because they've somehow figured out how to win Layton games if it's close, so I would go Philly Commanders Giants is what I would is how I would rank them. But I think they all they all have something that very unique because of like say, personnel with the Eagles, the defense with the Commanders, and then that ability to finish off games with the Giants. I would like to give you something different, but I absolutely agree with that.

And I think although the Cowboys, I do believe that they can be Philadelphia next time we face them on what is it, Christmas, Christmas Eve, Christmas Eve, Christmas Eve, I think they can definitely beat them, but they will they can give you the most issue just because of what we talked about in the past, the combination between the running game and their quarterback and their quarterback being a mobile guy that can get out of the pocket and run, and that clearly is the part of the

game where this defense struggles the most and when you don't have and we'll see how the offense it's performing from this point on forward if they do this side too out a wide receiver or whatever happens at the receiver position. But right now, you have to make sure in all of those games you're offense is being able to score points and not get back into that like hitting that wall where you're just not really moving the chains and now you're taking a step back rather than forward.

Which I thought was going to be the turning point. Was that Bears game to me against Chicago, what they did there, I started thinking, Okay, here we go. We got the perfect the perfect combination here, the perfect recipe. But then what you saw in Green Bay, even though they scored points and kept it competitive, It's just there are a lot of unanswered questions that they're gonna have

to figure out soon. I concerned to you, guys at this point about Washington because if you look at the schedule coming up the next two games, the Cowboys have teams that have better records than they do. You can say what you want about the Giants, you have the Cowboys beat them right now. They have a better record than they do. Obviously, got play the Minnesota Vikings this week. That being said, how concerned are you that Washington's not far off you? There are a game and a half

behind you at this point. I'm much concerned. I'm very concerned because I think they're good defensively. I think that they and they've They've got Chase Young back and I think that helps them in a lot of ways. And their secondary I think they find ways to cover. They

have a lot of confidence in this quarterback. You know that that makes a huge difference when you start to talk about when you look at the Commanders, you could always say that with Carson Wentz, he was going to make mistakes, he was going to drop the ball in the pocket, he was going to fumble. There is a belief that that Taylor Heineke can get it done. He's one I mean, he's he's finished games. I mean, he is the one guy that when it's when it's been tough,

he's come up with plays. They don't score a hell of a lot of points, but they find a way and that that concerns me because, like I said, the one team you looked really bad running the football against was the Commander You know, that front it could be very, very difficult to block. And we'll see, we'll see what the Cowboys offensive line situation is at that point. You know, will will there be I don't know if it will necessarily be the same line that we're talking about today

for the Cowboys that we'll play in that game. At the end of the year. Yeah, I'm not extremely concerned, but I'm keeping my eyes on them for sure, because this is definitely you're at the part of the season where I think this is a turning point for everyone in the NFL. You either start picking up some steam or you start losing your shine, And this is where things kind of started taking a turn. So the fact that they beat the happened last year with the Cowboys offensively,

everything that went is going good and went south. It happens every year till a lot of teams, teams are right. There's there are some teams right now that are not that good that people think are not that good, that are going to get on a run. I think Tampa. So I think Tampa's one of those teams too. Yeah, So we'll see what happens in the next few weeks. But I mean, just the fact that they finally someone

beat the Eagles. I mean, you gotta look at a team like the Commanders and what they're currently doing and see if they start trying of changing the narrative here. Yea, all right, we're gonna take our first break when we come back. We're gonna get into a little game Brian asked for so we'll do that when come right back. Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio. Todd thought it would be

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Oh no, this, this season, not this. Learn more on Dallas Cowboys dot com Slash United. Welcome Back. It is the second segment of the Break Life inst WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, presenter by Milla like the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. This segment that was brought to you by Blockchain dot com. Brian, thanks time you got okay, uh and bar great. First question for you today? Which helps the Cowboys right now fix the run defense?

Or at Odell Beckham Odell. I mean, yes, there are concerning issues on the defense right now, but I still have you make that fase there. I'm sorry, I hate to see it, but I do think there's more talent on defense overall. I think that with Dan Quinn, and yes this is an area he doesn't seem to find the answer just yet, but you got the bodies somewhat. I don't know. I just I think I'd rather score

more points on offense. And I think you can clearly see some of the struggles at the wide receiver position, and adding a guy like him, we would have to see where he's at physically. But if he's back in shape and all that, that dynamic player, I think definitely just gives a whole new life to the offense. I don't disagree from the standpoint. It does change the dynamics

of the offense. However, I am a big believer. And if you cannot stop the run, you'll take this defense that we think is a very good defense and you'll turn them into a very pedestrian defense because they'll never get to use their superpower. The superpower is go get the quarterback. Yeah, teams are basically saying you can't go get the quarterback because we're just gonna keep running the ball. And I don't care. Here's the deal, they don't even care how much of a lead you get. Yeah, they're

gonna keep running the ball. When you get to that kind of scenario, that means every team in the league knows it's a problem. And by the way, when you get to the playoffs, like right Now Cowboys can make it work against the Lions. They can make it work again, it's the Bears. They can still beat those teams even though they give up a ton of yards on the ground. And I know Nick was saying, it's not killing them. Yeah,

it's not killing them against those teams. But when you play a team that has a tactical surgeon at quarterback and you'd tell him, hey, I'm gonna have you throw half the number of times, but on those I need you to hit a dime right the other day, they can do it. And they can do it like, oh, we're gonna run the ball all day and then I got ten plays I gotta actually just like make that perfect pass. And by the way, in those ten plays, most likely the defense is not ready for it because

you've been running it. So they're all just frazzle trying to figure out how we're gonna stop this around, how we're gonna stop this running infore you know it, Bam, receiver passed you. That's why you get those receivers open. I just think this is a big and I've been saying it since week three. Yeah, like Cowboys need to learn how to stop the run. And it keeps getting worse and worse and worse because teams are realizing how bad they are at it, and teams are gonna keep

challenging them. And I think that's there. I think that is the biggest problem that's facing this team right now, no question about it. What's interesting, though, because I was more on that whole thought of like, well, it's not necessarily killing them just yet, so I'll take that all day. But even in games like if you go back to Green Bay and you look at what they did, guess they were running the ball throughout the game, but they stayed in there like they kept them kind of put

until the fourth quarter came. How differently would have been had the Cowboys scored when they needed to see I would I would have said, she's absolutely right about having Odell Beckham on fourth and three, because you'd have found a way to get him the ball, or you find a way to convert along the way. I hear what you're saying, because the most demoralizing thing you could do to a team is run the football and they can

do nothing about it. That's the most demoralizing thing that cold weather games turned to really cold standing on the sidelines when the other team's just running the ball on you and you can't do anything about it. But but but here's here's where I look at it. I actually think the San Francisco forty nine its will end up winning their division, and I think there's a a chance at Dallas wherever they end up, just because of the fate of the football gods, they will have to go to

San Francisco and play San Francisco. You play that team and you can't stop the run, your chances of winning that game go down significantly because they're gonna play good defense. And by the way, the way to beat them is make their quarterback have to beat you. If you never can get to a point in the game where you force their quarterback to have to win the game, good luck trying to beat that team. And that's my point.

You get to these playoff games and either you're gonna be playing a team that if you can't stop them from running, you can't force him in that kind of situation, or they have a quarterback that if you put them in that situation for a few times a game, they're gonna make those critical throws and win that ball game. I just, I just I know Odell Beckham will do

a lot for this offense. I know he will change the dynamics of this offense then, and that's all assuming he's healthy and can be the Oldell that we've seen in the past. But I just don't know if that's enough in the playoffs, if you can't stop the run, I'll take either one. Go for it. Derek. Yes, Jason Peters is now working at tackle only does that mean that Tyler Smith is going to move to guard eventually?

I don't think so. I saw nothing during training camp that suggested that they thought Tyler Smith was a better guard than Connor mcgovernor, and so that makes me. That makes me think unless unless they've seen something at tackle that translates to guard, which that's hard to do when he's been playing tackle. And I think, by the way, I think Connor mcgovernor has played pretty well this last game.

He had some miscues, but great all the players. Looking at the whole season, I think he's had a really good season. I don't change that. I personally don't change the offensive line. But that all being said, if you're gonna put Tyron back in, that means to me that Tyler is going to the bench. It's my personal opinion. So you're saying he's not gonna play at all, He's gonna go to the bench. If if Tyron Smith comes back,

he's a he's a player. Yes, if he's gonna be one of those two guys, is going to be a backup tackle. In my opinion, I just don't see a scenario where you flip him out when he hasn't shown during training like they wanted him in that spot. Yeah, and he couldn't take mcgovernor's job and mc governor's played well. Good point, and bar Jason Peters working at tackle only means that Tyler Smith is moving to guard your opinion

on that, No, I think I agree with Derek. And the thing is we're not looking at Connor my govern as a young player anymore, you know, but he still is. He's still a young player. So I think ideally you want to keep your guys where they're at and not or try to make the least changes as possible in the line, because that changes everything. The moment you change someone out, you know, the dynamic changes. You're not really working anymore with a person you've been communicating with the

whole time. So even though they practice with each other all the time. It's I just I could see it happening. But I don't think so. I don't think so that they'll move, that they'll just maybe sitting here. I asked Stephen Jones this question about because he used to be at time. Stephen always talks about continuity into the best

five and all that and playing it that way. The fact that they were interested in moving or getting Jason Peters and giving him reps at guard and letting him play guard and shuffling guys in and out, I think they're gonna move TI. I don't know this. I'm just saying this from what I'm I'm reading the tea leaves here. As they say, I think with Peters working at tackle, that's going to back up Tyran Smith, and then they're going to focus on and then McGovern is going to

back up Tyler Smith or you know, at guard. Said it's not bad, it's not it's not bad enough to pull him out of the lineup. But I think they also want Tyler Smith to play, you know, I think they really do. I think they're like, listen, we could get him work at tackle, we get him work at guard. He you know, the majority of training camp was at guard.

You're right, he didn't beat McGovern out, but I could see them saying, no, we need him playing, we need him playing, and or they could just say, you know, like we're happy to have Tyrn Smith back, but he's gonna be a backup. See. That's the way I look at it. More is and we were talking to see by Peter's moving now taking work at tackle. That's what gave me the thought that they're going to move Tyler Smith. Yeah, so I don't know, That's just kind of where I

was at right now. You know. The thing that I always think about, or not always that it just comes to mind when talking about this is professional players that have way more years of experience. For example, Sack Martin, he can definitely play both positions, but we saw him do it. But the fact that he voices no, this is this is where I want to be type of situation. We heard it even back in the day with Lyall Collins when he's like, no, I don't want to play there,

I want to play here. So we've heard it with guys like that, and it leads me to think, Okay, what's really the difference here between the two positions like, so taking that I don't know if I'm making any sense, but taking those words into like, Okay, the scenario now with the younger player, what makes me think that a younger player would be comfortable doing that when a veteran guy with years and years of experience, because because the

rookie player, the rookie player has no say, they absolutely don't. He has no saying. Maybe maybe when you get the skins on the wall, like Zach Martin, where you're like, you know, it's like, hey, I'll play tackle if you really want me to, but I would prefer not to play tackle, the kind of things yea, yea yeah, don't play wherever they need to play. But my thing is like performing can he give you what you need level wise?

Like can he give you the type of game that you're looking for when you move him from tackle to guard and vice versa. I don't know, no, I see exactly what you're saying. Okay, Ambar, are you going to see more big games from Cedee Lamb or was that just a one off? I hope we do. You see big games from him. I don't think it's a one off because we've seen him. I think we all agree that he has the talent. He can do it. It just hasn't been consistent, and it's it's either him or

maybe it's the pass from the quarterback. So it's just getting on the same page, you know. It's not like it's all on him or all the other guy. It's been a combination of both things between him and whoever it's a quarterback, whether that was Cooper Rush or Dak Prescott. Now. So, I think if the season heads and takes a turn to the right way for the Cowboys, they can finally start clicking on offense and he can start shining as a receiver. But I do think he needs to help

a number two as well. Michael Gallup needs to elevate his game as well for him to be more successful. It depends what do you call it a big game? Because obviously that was a career day eleven. He's got to do that all the time. One hundred yard games, yeah, hundred yard games, Okay, let's say somewhere between ninety and one hundred and ten every week. I think you're gonna see. It depends on how the Cowboys play it. If the Cowboys continue to want to run the ball, which they should.

This last game they got out of whack. That's why his numbers were up. In my opinion, that's not what they should be doing. And that's not about Cede Lamb. That's about the quarterback, and that's that's more about I want to limit the amount of times I'm asking him to throw, and I want to run the ball more. If that happens, I think where the sweet spot is for Cede Lamb is five to six receptions, eighty yards and a touchdown. Like that's where his sweet spots should be.

And if he's doing that, to me, that's probably a better that's a better recipe for this team for success than him putting up those one That means to me, if he's putting up those kind of numbers in most instances, that means they've been throwing the ball way too much. And I don't want to see it. Yeah, and I don't. I don't necessarily want to see that. I think their success this year has been about running the ball, play

a defense. Yeah, I think you got that right. Okay, My final question for you guys here in this one, Derek has dan Quinn been masking problems all year and opponents are starting to figure it out. On defense. I don't know if he's been masking it because we've been seeing this all year. Okay, I actually think it's just getting worse because teams have just decided, oh yeah, what they did, we could do the same thing. So I

don't know if he was masking it so much. I just think the teams have figured out this is how you beat Dallas. This is what you do. At least this gives you the best chance to beat Dallas, and then you go in and see if you could do it. But if you can run the ball, you got a shot against Dallas. Ambar has he been masking the problems all year? I wouldn't used the word masking per se. I would just say it is what. It's the fact that it hasn't like going back to that. I don't

it hasn't been killing you. You've been better at other things. You've been better at pressuring the quarterback, and that has been the part that has shined from your game, is pressuring and maybe getting some turnovers as well. That kind of has dropped down a little bit. I hope they can get better at that again. But I don't think it was more masking it just was the fact that it wasn't necessarily being as exposed, and now teams are taking advantage of that, which now reflects more on what

you see happening on the game. I think you both man, I think you both made great points on this. I think what to Derek, the point you bring up about teams are like, listen, we can run the ball and just stay with Dallas because offensively Dallas, Yeah, they might drive it on you one time, they might drive it on you two times. They can't drive it on you three or four times. You know, they will make mistakes along the way, they'll get a holding, they'll get some

type of penalty, they'll have a turnover. You know. That's that's how played Dallas. Now you sit there and you say, okay, fine, they can't stop the run. That keeps the pass rush off, ue keep the game close. If they have to drive at the end of the game to go win the game, they probably can't do it because they can't get out of their own way with a penalty or a turnover. So yeah, it seems like to me a really good

way to play Dallas right now. And I think there's some things I think Dan knows that his defense can't play toe to toe with anybody right now against the run. So you see him with the movement and the twists and things like that, and some of those things have been problematic for them, you know, like that they didn't they I mentioned it yesterday. You know, the touchdown run that Jones had where he was really untouched was a twist stunt that wasn't executed. And that's dan Quinn saying, Okay,

I can't play these guys straight up. I have to do something different here, and then his players not execute well enough. So I don't know. I'll think of another word other than masking though for the radio this afternoon. Yeah, I'll tell you this. I lookt at how what I thought of this team and how they played defensively early

in the season. They have been far less impactful, I think as the seat as the season has gone on, and I think that's all about the fact that teams just said we're just not going to allow you to rush to do what you do best. Right. Yeah, And and by the way, that needs to catch up with the guys in the locker room. And what I mean by that is those coaches need to tell them guys for and I think McCarthy said it in this his press conference earlier this week. You privilege, I mean, rushing

is a privilege. Yeah, you earned that by stopping the run. I would literally be telling them if I'm Quinn, like right now, our performance is not dictated by us rushing at all. Yeah, sa sackstart who we are anymore? Right, first and foremost, the only thing we're focused on is rush. Stop the rusher, stop the rusher, play solid rush defense like that would be my complete focus. If we come out of the game with no sacks, but we hold the other team under one hundred yards rushing, that's about

that's a win. Yeah. And then if you can do that three, four or five weeks in a row, maybe teams will step away from that strategy of we can run the ball against Dallas, and then you might get the opportunity to start rushing again. But right now, it's it's a it's at a hall time high. Every team facing Dallas is thinking, we're running the ball. Yeah, we're gonna keep running the ball, you know all, We're gonna take our final break. We'll come back. We've got some

more questions, Brian, Right, that's it. That's it. We got some more. That's it all right. I thought you had something else going on. We can do some other stuff. Okay, cool, We'll take a break. We'll come back. It's Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. The season is finally here. For months, we've been gearing up to win. Now it's time for

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Things like that. That stands out in my head. But anyways, you're such a perfectionist. All right, Welcome back, final sege with the Break Life in that s WBC boarding studios at the start presented by millerlike the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. I have one question for you, guys. We've got about seven minutes. I want to talk about this a little bit. Tony Pollard in this last game at twenty two carries one hundred and fifteen yards five

point two average, one touchdown. Maligue Davis also added in five carries for thirty eight yards seven point six average. This was a back to back hundred yard game, first time that Pollard has done that in his career with the Dallas Cowboys. He had a season high twenty two carries in this game. He had a season high percentage of snaps played eighty seven percent. That would be seventy two snaps. Are there still questions in your mind about his durability or his ability to carry the full load?

Wish they had handed it to him about eight more times? Right game? Right, even though even though Malik did a nice job, I me personally as bad as the Cowboys run defens ers and question as it was, I kind of feel like that if Zeke would have played that game, Dallas might have won that game. I think you think it would run a little bit more. I think I think the combination of Elliott and Pollard would have really they could have wore these guys down and kept their

offense off the field from running the football. Maybe that's something too, you have to think about instead of keeping explosive offenses off the field, you know, keep the other team's offense off the field from running the football, you know. But I really do believe that they had a really good combination thing going with and and Davis. Like I said, I thought Davis stepped in. The thing that was a little disheartening is because they ran a play with him,

and I mentioned it yesterday. I'll bring it up today, right before Dack's interception where the spacing problems were, you know, with Schultz and CD that interception there in the red zone.

I mean they try to run a screen to Malik Davis and you know, it's like, oh, maybe you're catching them a little bit off guard, you know, but you're kind of feeling like that maybe if Zeke or Pollard was in there, who has plays a lot more that has a little bit better feel for how to fake and then kind of leak into the flat, you know, maybe that's a completion. It gets you down to the goal line, and now you're not throwing the ball. You know, it's not it's not third and eleven, and you're not

trying to to force a pass. So I think that I think that's a really interesting take, but I don't. I'm trying to visualize it, but I can't like fully buy into that idea that if Zeke was in there. Well, I well, to me, when sometimes when you have players that like Zeke and Pollard get those reps all the time, you know, they work the screen stuff and things like that, so maybe it's a little bit different feel it's experienced. Oh he'll be better, Malik Davis will be better next

time if they've they run a screen. Because he was like, Okay, well I have to I can't go that far up in the line. I got a leak a little wicker. I don't have to get a block here. I gotta just you know, his whole thing is be available, don't get caught while the blockers are all out front, and

then your trap back inside. You know, Veteran players kind of have an escape route in their mind because they've run these plays enough that all of a sudden, Zeke's like, okay, I'm gonna flash, like I'm gonna block, and then I'm gonna go. I'm not gonna get caught up in all the mess trying to help, you know. And I think that's where that's how I think the play. You know, sometimes sequence of plays lead to others and you're like, damn it. Well, the packers they had they had an

opportunity on the strip sack by by tank. They ride a route and they got guys wide open, and literally, if rogers can get the ball out. It's a touchdown that two guys wide open on the play, And it just shows you how these plays, when you call them, the idea is absolutely right, the execution of it is. But but yeah, your question Pollard, no questions about his durability at all, no questions. I will say this. In the final touchdown drive, the Cowboys had Malik Davis. He

had some really good runs, some really fis. He had a five yard run to start the possession, then he had a seventeen yard run, Then he had a fourteen yard run later in the possession, right before the thirty

five yard touched down past the ceedee lamb. And it made me think they maybe should have if you wanted more running, maybe you should have been using him a little bit more throughout the game rather than going so heavy on Pollard throughout the game and then waiting until you get to that situation or that point in the

game to really use him. I would have maybe used him a few more series in the game where where you kind of get him out there and just kind of give him the ball, keep giving him the ball and see what happened. They had a vision for the player they did. They were one of the few. When you watch tape last year, you're like, Wow, this guy's in a rotating system. He doesn't get very many opportunities to carry the ball. At Florida, he catches the ball, Okay,

I mean all right, pass blocker. They had an idea of what this kid was like, and we saw in the preseason. You know, the more they handed it to him, the harder it was for defenders to have to deal with. He's a handful, he is, He's a he's an awesome player when it comes to the physicality that what he

plays with in a game, yep. And that's where I think they could have really used him a little bit more in this game, because I do think when you get into cold weather situations, I think having those kind of bruising backs and where you said it before the game, like it hurts a little differently in the cold, right, and taking on a guy like that that's more of a bruiser, I think it's a little harder mental challenge to step in front of that freight train, that freight

train and try to make a stop when that guy's coming at you. It's it's one of the things we'll be looking at when the Cowboys play Tennessee in last December, right the Cowboys. The Cowboys are in a situation where you can see that with the other opponents and then the running when especially the ball goes the perimeter. You see how much people are really interested in making those tacks, no doubt. All Right, we appreciate you, guys, Jonas. We'll be back on tomorrow. We'll get into the next game

Cowboys will be facing. Where am I right now? Who got vikings? Yeah, Cowboys advice. So we'll get into vikings offense tomorrow against Cowboys defense. By's yeah, right, dude. Actually that's a good idea. Yea, that is a really good idea. And I'm hungry right now anyway, So that's that's really a great idea, all right for Brian Broadest amigard see how Derek Hilton. This has been a break live on

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