Cowboys Break: Playing GM

Isaiah stand Back is in filling in with us today. As he is, he skates his way in from the ice here. Dave looks like he's ready to go. I thought the Olympics was over. No, we got we got skiing skating going on. We don't talk weather on this show, but yeah, definitely whether it's happening here in North Texas and when that happens, everyone freaks out. But sorry, if you were in the Winter Olympics, what would you do? Zero? I mean like, I was just telling someone this the

other day. This sounds like a setup, but it's not. I was like, I don't relate to this because I have done zero things in the Olympics. Everybody is shot a basket run, maybe thrown a javelin, done a high jump, done something, No one not. I have never done anything in the Winter Olympics, not one thing. I've gone ice skating, like maybe twice. And when I say ice skating, I really mean just sort of like dancing around trying not to fall in the in the in the mall. I'll think,

at the gallery or something. What's the name of one sport? Yeah, I could do that. I want to do I want to try corn. I wouldn't be good at it. It's like, yeah, but you get to play little defense and all that same thing. It's the only it's got to be the only Olympic sport where it's normal to drink while you play it. Like that's a thing you see some of those guys. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I came straight from I could do that. I'd like there to be like a curling lodge here in Dallas. I would go. I

would definitely go. I'll join you. I mean again, that's why I don't really relate well to it, because it's just just like, oh, I could do that. I couldn't mean I could lie on my back and slide down ice. But I would probably fall off or what. I don't know what your score would be on that, it probably would be good. So all right, let's let's talk about really what I was gonna say, this is what we do in our show. I joined your show the other day, y'all were doing like chips and dips and all this

really crazy stuff. What we do on this, Joe, and we sort of already has we go around really quickly. What's a sports story. Doesn't have to be to be Cowboy, would be the NFL, it could be anything that's kind of on your mind right now. I'll start with you, Dave and get you a chance to think about it. You got any I'm bummed that Derek's not here because from the time we were arguing about it on Twitter, I was like, oh, I'm gonna take this to the show because I want to argue with him about the

college football Playoff. Well, him and I seem to be on the same side. True, we can argue about it if you want to. I just the the committee had like announced over the weekend that they're not going to expand the college football playoff until twenty twenty six at the earliest. And I want to be clear I'm fine with a bigger playoff, like more football is fun for everybody.

I just don't. I think it's completely unnecessary. I think we've learned over the last seven years that in any given year, there's like three teams that are good enough to win the national title, sometimes four, but beyond that, everybody else is just on a different level. And I don't see why we need a bigger field to prove that. Yeah, do you do? You agree? I do? You played college football? You tell me, yeah, so much. The times have changed, the times have changed so much. But I agree with you.

I think you pretty much know who the top dogs are and I don't think that you needn't necessarily add to that. I just think we're setting ourselves up for more ass whippings. Basically. I mean it's like, cool, um, what like so nine and three, nine and three Iowa State gets in as like the twelve seed, and maybe you play like a great game in the first round against the four seed or whatever, and then you get

your ass kicked. It's like, Okay, I guess this was more dramatic for the teams that made it in until they had to play the elite teams. I just don't see why it's necessary. Yeah, I don't know. I'm looking forward to seeing how the whole transfer portal and you know, players getting paid now and all these contracts. That's gonna really affect the competition this year. Yeah, that's gonna be interesting.

It's gonna be I think it's gonna still be the same because the teams that are good, or of the big schools that have the money, and they're the ones that are going to pay the most. Probably, I don't know. I mean, I argued with you a little bit on Twitter. I don't even think it's about the playoffs. I think it's about the month ahead of time. I've heard people say it waters down if you if you make more teams, it waters down the regular season, which I just disagree.

I think it makes it more compelling November game games. I think you've got number seventeen versus number of fourteen. Now they're playing for something as opposed to maybe some trophy or something like that, like on that Thanksgiving weekend. I actually did the math a little bit on this, which doesn't happen a lot, but I did some math, and I just think it's weird that in the NBA sixty six percent of the teams make the playoffs. In Major League Baseball, I think thirty percent make the playoffs

in the NFL, forty three percent in hockey. I think it's fifty five percent in college basketball. I haven't done the math sixty eight versus three thirty something, but college football is zero zero three percent make the playoffs. And I just think, I don't think these other regular seasons are that bad. And the NBA is like whatever, but sixty six percent make it. But in the NFL thirty I mean what, forty three percent of the teams make

it and it's still pretty good regular season. So I just think there's room if it's zero zero three percent of the college to increased. I hear you, and I mean, you're right. I think you would probably make November a little bit more dramatic. But if like I guess that's my point, It's like it feels gimmicky, like if numbers number seventeens play a number fourteen for the right to

get into the playoffs and get mauled. I just get destroyed by the teams that actually belong there reason why it's not happening, and they're delaying it is they haven't figured out what to do with their precious Bowl games. Yeah, that's the thing. These these old guys want to see the bowl games and what happens? What do you do with all these bowl games? And I think that's seventy percent of these Bowl games have to be losing money, yeah, I mean they have to be losing money. Yeah. But

no disrespect to any of the bowl games. I know there's a lot of people, a lot of money behind these things, but some of the ones that are even here in Dallas, like, yeah, you don't go. They're like giving tickets away. Yeah you don't. You don't go if you live in the area. You don't if you live in if you live in like Birmingham, and maybe that's the Music City Bowl or something. I don't think you just go just because Minnesota is taken on South Carolina.

I don't think you go. I will that is. I think the one benefit of expanding the playoffs is it would create more meaningful games, which keeps teams invested instead of it's like, oh, we lost that third game, so I'm sitting out to start training for the draft, which I support anybody that wants to do that. But I mean I would be in favor. I'm in favor of more games. I guess where people want to play and if that gets it done, that's fine. And again, like

I'm not anti expansion. I just again, we've done seven of these I think at this point, and the semifinals have been laughable most of those years. Like there have probably been three really great semifinals. Oh you and Georgia played a classic one year. Obviously, Ohio State won the first one as a four seed, So like I get it. But by and large, like I said, there's like two

sometimes three teams and it's always been that way. By the way, that was the problem with the BCS is every few years there would be a third team that gets screwed. But from what we've seen to this point, I just I don't think we're seeing anybody get screwed. Like there is not a team in the playoff era where I'm just like they might they might have won if you'd let him in, Like, no, the right team won won this thing. Like that's just how I feel.

All right, let's talk let's talk cowboys, because that's cutting an I'm just here all I can think, which I like bantering about other things. And I know there are people that like it, but I just whenever we go off into the weeds, I just picture the guy that's just like screaming at his car stereo, like talk about the Cowboys. But yet when it comes to Twitter, I've never gotten anybody say, y'all don't talk about that. I get more people that say, you know, I agree about this,

or I agree with Dave or whatever. You know, I know everyone everyone's got got this thing press the You know, you can skip ahead fifteen seconds, just skip to like the eighth minute of the show if you don't like it. All right, I'm gonna kind of reset things because when we have people on here that are different, you want to see what they think about big news, big stuff. So before we get going on all these other free agents, David and I had we don't agree on everything, but

we have been. We've been agreeing a lot more recently, but we definitely, like stand on the table, agree on this one. And I want to see where you Amari Cooper. What is your take on him and his future? What would you do if you were playing Cowboys gam Cowboys, GYM, keep them, keep him because you have a hell of a player that you're choosing to not utilize. It's not that he's getting paid all this money and all of a sudden, Oh well, I don't know if he's if

he's really worth it anymore. No, the conversation is we're not using him to the amount that we're paying him. So now people are like, oh, let's get rid of them. Like, no, that's a you problem. That's that's that's a coordinator problem. That's a team problem, and figure that out. Get him the ball, because these other teams are getting their guy the ball, right, Amaria, is Dallas's receiver? Yes, that's their stat wise, not number one, right, but supposedly that's your

number one. Capability wise, that's your number one, and for the most part healthwise, he's still in position to be your number one. Right, So there's nothing that's stopping him from being your number one. All right, break it, break it down. You've played receiver and quarterback position. Is it? Is it? Amari Cooper? Is it is? If you'll laugh if you knew the quarterback almost name? Is it? Dak Is it? Kellen Moore? Like? Yeah, what why is Davantae

Adams getting these targets in Cooper Cumming? Why but break it down. Why I've been standing on the table and saying, Kellen Moore, that's been me. The reason being because you can scheme your way to get your guy the ball. Think about the time, what I don't remember what week, it was, maybe fourteen or something like that, when a Mari Cooper Cooper, who's a very you know, docile, kind of quiet guy, goes about his business is the week of Christmas, he just he got he was tired of it.

He was pissed. That was his way of yelling. That was his that was his you know, Odell Beckham yelling tillo, who ELPs you really want throwing that category? That was his version of it, right, Instead of going out there and becoming front page news, he was just like, you know, I can't I can't throw it and catch it. Yeah, you know that's him yelling. You know, that's that's him. That's him pissed off, right because normally he keeps those things bottled up. So what happened that that next week

he got like ten or eleven targets. Dude, I mean he got like six catches on the first drive. Yeah, right, he got all those targets on the first drive. Along, so they force fed him the ball. So why is it that you can get him involved when he speaks out, but any other time. Oh, it's just you know, we kind of have to go with what the defense gives us.

We gotta spread the ball around. We don't force feed people like there's no excuse because to your point, you know, as you start naming these other number one receivers, they all don't have a problem getting the ball. When you look at the Super Bowl, the last drive, who's gonna get the ball? Cooper Cup? Cooper Cup? Can you stop it? No? Eli could not, couldn't. I actually I haven't looked at this, which I knew it would be low, but I hadn't

looked it up specifically. Amari Cooper ranked thirty eighth in targets among NFL pass catchers. That includes tight ends, That includes tight ends. But like and again, for the money, you're like, oh, for the money, you're supposed to do this, that and the other. A few of the guys at the top of the list, like obviously DeAndre Hopkins missed a lot of the season. Julio Jones is in and out of the lineup all the time, But like Keenan Allen finished in the top twenty in targets, Tyree Hill

finished seventh and targets. Tyler Lockett finished way above them in targets. Mike Evans like, all these guys are getting dozens more opportunities at the ball than Amari Cooper did this year. Where is Ceedee Lamb in that list? Ceedee Lamb is above Amar Actually, okay, that's what I want to know. Ceedee Lamb finished twenty fourth in the league

in targets one hundred and twenty. I guarantee that Kelsey and Tyreek Hill are probably in there, But I want to know how many teammates are in the top forty. Good question, because that I mean, Davante Adams is the next guy in the Green Bay is not in there. So I see Kelsey and Hill are in there. Um. I see Marquis Brown and Mark Andrews are both in

the top ten, which is amazing. Stefan Diggs and Cole Beasley. Um, So there's a good amount, yeah, especially when you take into the context that that was the only two receivers that I heard I heard tight end receivers I didn't hear. But you also take into a context of Deck was leading the league in passing yards right, and Dallas was total offense all that jet. So there's really there's noise. I hear what you're saying. But there's no excuse for

him not to get the ball. There's been no conversations about Amari's not getting open, Amari slow. You know, he's lost a step, his route runnings fell off. You haven't heard any negative connotations in regards to his abilities. Yeah, but it's all coming back to what targets. Evans and Godwin both finished in the top thirty as well as did Um. Jamar Chase finished top Jamar Chase finished twenty and t Higgins was thirty one. So I mean, so

it happens, it's doable. It happens. Okay, it's doable, and that's you know, and I agree. I mean, I just think I think it always comes down to kind of this sense of arrogance of we do what we do and stop us because if you want to take him away, I'll just throw it to Cedric Wilson and sometimes that works.

But like I just I think there's got to be this this balance and we all were here or we we we definitely know that when Dak was younger, and then another wide receiver was chirping all the time about winning the ball, and then the next week it would just throw dads the ball and that didn't always work out. So I'm not I'm not saying this is the same. It's just there's a middle balance of like there is, and that's that's what they haven't figured out just yet.

But if you take out all the receivers, you just name right the number one receivers. If you take that, I'm out of it and just don't target them, pretty much like Dallas doesn't really target Amari. How successful all those teams, I'm sure they're not that I would assume not. Yeah, well, right to argue against myself, which I love to do. Nobody makes me bleed my home blind. Right, Nice nice reference there. I mean, that'd be one thing if Amari

didn't get the ball against the forty nine ers. But but CD got fourteen targets, but he got like one or two. Have CD disappeared from that game? He didn't get targeted until like the third quarter. And they weren't running, they weren't willing anything. What were doing they were It's losing. And that's why I always leaned back and say Kellen Moore, Kellen Moore, you're in position to get your your resources. Yeah, your guys the ball. That is your job now underneath

Kellen Moore is Dak, right, Dak. Now from the guidance in a direction that you're given by your office a coordinator, is now your job to now facilitate and ensure that these guys get the ball based around whatever the defense is allowing you to, you know, to take advantage of. So it is a killing Moore and Dak Prescott thing. It can't just be a Dak Prescott thing. This is not This is not Cleveland and Baker Mayfield just hating

on Odell Beckham. That's not that situation, right, This is hey, this your coordinator is just simply saying we'll get it to other guys. We're not going to force feed it. But in reality we're seeing you need to get cooped the ball. I'll put you on the spot. Can da make all the throws? No? Which throw? Can't you make?

Dak's velocity. I've been saying this for the last year and a half, and even when when Andy two years almost when Andy Dalton got signed, I stood up and said any Dalton has a better arm than Dak and people lost it. Oh you gotta be kidding me. I'm talking about velocity. Yeah, I'm talking about velocity, and people were people Dack's not Mahomes or Stafford, which not at all. But which is it the fifteen yard out or what it's surprisingly if you go back and watch the film,

it's not even just one particular route. If you watch his curls Lady's throwing the balls dying out, the ball should go through the target, you should. It should be on such a rope that if the receiver wasn't there, it should go all the way through the dog on sideline right. But instead you're seeing the balls even on swing routes, screen routes, balls dying out. The nose of the ball is literally diving towards the ground. And it's on so many of his throws. This was before the

shoulder injury. This is after the shoulder injury. You can people can point their finger as oh, well he had this injury. It has nothing to do with that. He has to increase his velocity, whether that being core strength, with it that being his legs, whether it be in his arm. There's a whole lot of things that go into increase in velocity, but he has to work on that and it's just not there. Well, can you work

on that absolutely absolutely pointness? Absolutely like it almost seems like you have it or you know, no, absolutely no, you could work on it. Okay, So that might be part of it. And then that's and that's your opinion, I bet you not. Everyone says that. If they do, they don't say it loudly. Um, so that could be a part of it too. The play is for Amari Cooper to do this. You go to the line of scrimmage.

You see, Okay, the coverage is gonna be a little different, So to get him the ball, it's gonna be a different throw, I'm going Schultz. But but but again it goes back to Kellen Moore. If you're gonna keep putting, what was the issue when TiO was here? Right, I was on a roster, TiO was on the outside. You rolled to a certain coverage all of a sudden, you either have to throw an amazing ball into a honey hoole or you just don't throw him the ball right?

And then who who got the ball with right? Dumping off the wick he's inside all day. If that's the situation that you're facing, wouldn't you, as an officerve coordinator, then move Amari Cooper to the inside. Yeah, you would think. But they were drawing plays up in the dirt back then, right, that was okay, probably all right, fitting fittingly for that point. Dalton Schultz finished with as many targets as Amari Cooper did. Yeah so he so they had three in the top forty. Yeah, okay,

do that see who live on the air. Okay, no, no, we're about to take a break here, but we're gonna play a game of dominoes, really, and then I think that's the Marii Cooper decision is what starts it. And then they'll just got to go from there in terms of free agency, because that's what has to happen. You gotta figure out, you got to prioritize what you're gonna do, and then that kind of goes from there. All right,

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Esler lens for you. See more, do more or sorry to see that in there, what they got excited? Really? Yeah, I don't see any glasses on you. I love the okay, there is no sun out there, all right, what are you about to say? Oh? I just I love the

quirks that each show brings to the table. I just you know, I got to do a show with Isaiah like maybe a month ago, right after the season, and I was like, oh damn, all right, the energy level is way different in here right now, Like we're just kind of I described us as the Grumpy Show one time. I don't We're not grumpy. I just think we're like very We're almost like stoic. Thank God for a g because she gets revved up sometimes and raises the energy

level a little bit. But like talking cowboys, like, I don't know if I could keep up, especially y'all go at like nine in the morning. I'm just like, dude, let me finish my coffee, like y'all a lot. I was at a Texas A and M football game. Yeah, all these things are happening that you don't know. All of a sudden in the middle of the game, It's just like, wow, what was that? Like that's what we do on third and six? I'm like bachelor's degree to keep up with everything. So no, it's fine, all right.

We were talking to Marii Cooper and we said that that to me, And I don't know if that's what the Cowboys think. I think it is. I think it's the first domino that you have to start. You have to figure out what you're gonna do with. Think the whole conversation for this team in twenty twenty two starts with him. And I know that they look at this globally across the team and probably the bigger contracts and so next on their priority list might be the defensive ends.

But let's just let's just stick to offense for a second, because we all agree that Amari Cooper should be here. Do if that is the case and they decide to keep them, what do you do with Dalton Schultz? Are gonna go by? I think Dalton Schultz is and I we talked about this, like I think probably last week. It's it sounds glib, like I don't want to like, I think Dalton Schultz is a really good player. I think he's deserving of the payday that's coming his way.

That not just like, oh, he's not good he doesn't have a future here. It's just like that's the reality of team building and on and like Dalton Schultz is perfect, like like he came on strong halfway through his contract, gave you two fantastic years. It's gonna get you at least a fourth round comp maybe a third depending on how much money he gets on the open market. And you just say, thanks man, we will replace that production in a cheaper way. We already have Blake Jarwin under

contract for less money. Thank you for your service, Go get the bag. If Amari Cooper is not a part of this team and he's saving some money there, does that change your opinion one way or another on what on Schultz? Because I know I don't think I think Schultz will be less effective. Yeah, I mean, what does Schultz do that much better than Jarwin? I'm not sure, I think, I mean and I know I guess the one thing I can count on is, yeah, Dalton Schultz

is more durable. I mean Jarwin Jarwin had the Yeah, he had the big boy injury. He's had two big boy injuries. I mean he got hurt on Halloween and

wasn't back until the end of the season. I mean he missed half of this year, and I mean, maybe I'm probably the wrong person talking about it because I had my fair share of injuries, But you can't prevent those things, right, So so I mean, so it is like like I want to I hate criticizing the guy from I'm just so what you're saying, But I mean, but like, if it was up to Jarwin, obviously he'll be on the field. So I meant, production wise, when they are on the field, I don't see what Scholtz

does that much better than Jarwin. I think Jarman was a more capable individual. Where I think Scholtz took advantage was when Jarwin went down, Scholtz put out a ton of effort. Right. He wasn't the best, he was not a great blocker, but he put forth a ton of effort at it, right, And then the second half of the season that disappeared somehow, some way, he didn't have that same energy towards blocking and he was less effective

in that regard. Now, in terms of running five six yards turning around catch ball that's put on the right position, all right, cool, Jarman could do that too. I've never liked the idea of having both of them and definitely not having both of them at that price. I just think they're the same guy in terms of more of a pass catcher kind of lighting ass about when it comes to blocking, they'll get in the way and do it, but that's not I just think you got to have

one of them and then another bigger locker type. I think they're the exact same player more or less not. I'd rather have Blake Bill as the second pact. He's not under contract. That type of guy, that type of guy. I think you need to go add that guy. I need you. I think you need to add that guy. Whether you know, um, you know, yeah, Luna Wells Lunda Wells ad Is is developing that guy right now in

a roster. I don't know, but I do know that if I had to choose between those two, I'm going with Jarwin because Darwin gives you more opportunities with his with his abilities and his attributes. I know they love, they love Sean mcun and I've been impressed by what he's done. Same guy, right. No, I was about to say, like, I think he's very similar to the other two. It sucks because and I, uh, too bad Nate Newton's not here. He'll be like the first person to start pounding the

desk and saying they need a blocking tight end. Those guys are getting harder and harder to find. It's not that mean Mercedes Lewis is around you, Just colleges don't ask tight ends to do that. And so shoot at this rate. If you're that size and that good at blocking, probably play play attack. Yeah, there's no doubt yet. So it's easier said than done. But yeah, I mean they need they need a bigger body who is more capable at blocking. But I think I think Jarwin can do

all this stuff. But I'm sure how much they would be utilizing this offense. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know how many two tight end sets we would actually utilize, don't they They have them some twelve personnel. Yeah, I think they would use it. I would be it might be boring use it to run, just give me a big like just hey can you block? And just running out? Those are the two things I need to do, yeah,

block or running the flat All right. So so we we're playing the GM role here and I think we're all together on this. So we started with the Murray and because of that, we probably are gonna let Dalton Sheltz do his thing, and I think it's gonna be a DeMarco Murray type situation of this is the number we have for you. I'm sorry if this insults you, but this is what we have. And if the Jets or whatever or some other team doubles it or whatever, hey man, it's been fun and I think we'd love

for you to come back. But I think the number, the number that eventually pops up when Adam Schefter breaks his signing, is gonna make everybody go whoa. It reminds me of Robert Quinn. Yeah. We spent months talking about, like, love to have him back at the right price. He's on the wrong side of thirty. Maybe kind of keep the price down. He wasn't great against the run. Maybe they can bring him back on like a thirty million dollars deal. And then the Bears were like, we'll give

you eighty. Yeah, and everybody was like, okay, rob go get go, get it, buddy, and we can't offer you that and he did. Oh and he's at the Bears sing freaking killed it last year. Yeah, that was like the quietest great season. Yeah. Um okay, So so that happens now. Now we're gonna switch to now we got some decisions to make. It's like I wrote this yes today. It's kind of like a chicken and egg type thing, is it? Do you figure out what you want to do with Randy and then that decides what you do

with Tank? Or do you figure out what you're doing with Tank and that decides what you could do with Randy? Or do you try to keep them both? I think they inform each other. I think those two things are connected because of the because of the money it requires to sign a pass rusher, Like even even with the shared history that Randy and the front office have, Like I get like maybe Randy's willing to sign here on a favorable deal, but it's still going to be expensive.

Like you're still talking about north of twelve million dollars a year to sign him, right, Yeah, that's fine because because Tank is making what twenty yeah? Yeah, which give it In a perfect world, I think in a world

where you can just do what you want. I think the Cowboys approached to Marcus and his people next week at the combine and say, we would love to slash you down to like sixteen, and then that'll help us keep Randy and you you still got plenty of money, and wouldn't it be great to just have the band back together and in a real world, say tanks, people will be like lol, bro right, But but they can laugh like that and say, we're not doing that to

the market. Decide until you get cut and then you go and you probably make less than that, yeah, somewhere where you maybe paying taxes. It's a it's a pride thing though. I think for a lot of those guys. You know, DeMarcus is tricky because it looks like he's injury prone. He's in the last four years he's missed like eight games or no, no, he's missed like eleven games. Ten of them was this year with that with that foot.

But he's he's played these other ones. It's just like he's played through a lot of stuff, through a lot He is hard to look at it like that. Yeah, I mean, I think we brought that up last week too, Like I think it was I think it was sixteen when they're like the great season in thirteen and three, like he had like one sack that year and it was because he played like the whole season with one shoulder and I always I always tell this Kevin Burnett story.

Kevin Burnett, who you played with him? And he called me one time and I was like, kind of scared about it because you know, he's got his own opinions and thoughts, you know, and he because I called him injury prone. Oh and he well, Jerry Jones said one time, he was like, if we can keep Kevin Burnett out of the hospital. He said that in the draft room. But he he goes, you said I was interview prone. I've only missed like five games in my career, which

he was right. He also had surgery when it was time to make linebacker decisions in the offseason, draft free agency. He was always hurt. So yes, you can say I only missed so many games, but timing of your injury, you know, you're at a situation where you're like, well, we're not gonna draft this linebacker. We have Kevin Burnett. Ye who who's got a cast on? You know what

I mean. So the laws sort of been that way because he's had some off off the field injuries and I mean off the field I'm sorry, offseason injuries, but yeah, I mean his his whole contract thing revolved around a surgery or if you remember, he kind of I thought it was it was petty toward the team, but like

I thought it was kind of genius. He was like, well, if you want me ready, then you need to sign me to this deal so I can have this surgery and I ain't getting until you give me the money, which again not great for the team, but like that's just I thought it was smart business. All Right, we're gonna play a game of multiple choice. I do real, I just will. So we talked about this cutting. That's the thing, Like, I don't I think it would be

incredibly stupid if they cut him Maari Cooper. But that's tangible savings, Like he saves you like seventeen million dollars if he's not on this team. DeMarcus hits your cap for twenty and saves you eight. Like, I just don't even think it's if you cut him, you could June first him. You could just do that in June first, and then you're saving nineteen. True, but you can designate a guy a cut and you could cut him March

seventeenth and just designated one with two guys. Yeah, and I think d law and Lyle could be the two options just because Lyle saves you one if you cut him now, but if you designate him, you cut him, you save ten and you have a replacement that is not the same. Oh oh say it, speak your mind. Hold on, let me finish the spasm with your back. I said, he has a replacement who is not the same, But I don't think there is a huge difference. He's made out of steal. Yeah, okay, do you think there's

a huge difference between the two better than glass facts? Um, I think that you need Lyle. I think you need Lyo because he's I think he's a sure thing. I think it's a sure thing. I'm regardless of the stuff that that's happened I'm talking about. I'm just saying performance wise, there's no question marks when he's out there performance wise, if he can do it. I think some of the question marks that you've had when other people have stepped up into that roles can they do it? Yeah? Right now?

How effective would they be? Right? Can they actually do it? And I think you don't have that question mark when you're putting Lyao out there. Now, Hey, Leo, are you the same Leo that you were before? Okay, Well, if you're not okay, then we can maybe let's talk about moving you over to left guard and putting you over there next attire. You know what's like, there's there's options there, but I don't think you have those same options when you're talking about some of these other guys that can

step up into those roles. That's all I'm saying. If he if he fully commenced to that, if he fully commits to playing guard and doing that, then i'd before that. But if he's like, well, you know, whatever, whatever's best for the team, I'll just I'll show up and we'll see what happens if he's not. And I don't know if you'd be that way, because let's be let's be on this lap. Two years ago, he didn't show up in the best shape. He end up getting hurt, he

had a hip injury, he got surgery. Last year, he was in good shape. Then he was suspending five games, which might have been a reason why. I mean, there's a lot of things you know with with with Leo. But let's let's go back to the defense VENs and I'm gonna I'm gonna put this this question here on the test, Okay, all right, what is the most likely scenario to happen regarding defensive ends? A Gregory and Lawrence are on the team B. Gregory only see DeMarcus only

d neither on the team B. B. Is Randy Gregory only? Yes, Yeah, I go. I don't think there's a way to stand behind d Law's current number and validate that he should be making that base upon his performance. Yea. And I think Jerry would rather keep Randy than anything. I mean, like he wants to keep Randy over any players, and that's probably his top part. If he was running the show, he would it starts with Randy. You know, you know

how many times we've talked. And I don't know if this is true or not, but you know, Stephen will say it of Jared Sisa, well, we haven't talked to the agent yet, and you're like, what are you doing? Right They come out and say like we've yeah, we talked Randy and blew my mind at the senior. Yeah.

Like I always tell people, I'm like, those conversations don't usually start until the combine and sometimes they don't start until like a couple of days before free agency, because again, like it's like it's like dating you know, like you don't want to be the person that texts or like God forbid you like double texts. You know, you don't want to be the one that's more invested. That's what some of these negotiations are. Like. It's like, well, I mean,

they can call us, but we're not calling them. Get the hell out of here. But then they go to the Senior Bowl and Jerry's like, yeah, I was with Randy's agent yesterday in January. That is unusual. That is very unusual. So you know, we've been told that there's a well what I'm sorry, I want to know it. I want to know what you're multiple choice? Yeah, I said, oh, I said, I said, I said the same thing. Yeah, I agree with that. Okay, but what would be the

next choice? We'll rank them after B I would I do? Maybe maybe this is blind optimism, but like I have, there's like a little sliver of me that thinks that they both wind up here, like if if the team again, I don't think I don't think you can underestimate. I really do think this is a scenario where the team's history with the player could really make an impact. And I think Randy wants Yeah, like Randy. Randy wants to

be here, the team wants him here. An amicable situation can be agreed upon where everybody's a little bit happy. And then I don't think DeMarcus Lawrence would take a pay cut. But maybe the team just decides to bite the bullet and restructure him, which gives you the extra money without losing him. Yeah. See, I would restructure, saying I think the Cowboys could solve so many of their problems if they just restructure to Mari like they It would give them X amount of cap space to play

around with. You reach, why would he? No, we're talking restructures, not cuts. You don't. Players don't have a say in that. No, instead of playing for twenty million, you in all the year and you just get twenty million in your pocket and then back a little bit. Definitely he's gonna I I disagree with you guys on the Randy and d law coming back together. I can't see that scenario. Reason see it? You see, I think I think self better than that. No, I don't see Dlow on his team.

Well no, he said, he said Randy. Or they're both gone. Oh oh they're both I got that. The reason being is because I think Jerry Jones sits down with coach McCarthy and Dan Quinn and says, dan Quinn, can you have that same impact that you had this year without those guys? And he says he probably has another word in there, and then he says no. And then you have to look at it and say, what did they provide that was so dominant? Take the emotions out of it,

Take emotions out of it. What did they provide that was so dominant? What did they have an Aaron Donald effect? Did they have a Von Miller effect? Okay, but but I'm just saying I get I get annoyed when someone says Dak is an Aaron Rodgers and then you're like, okay, okay, who is? But but no, no, no, no, I mean, I mean I can take the names out of I'm just saying, like, what element did you miss when d law or Gregory wasn't there? This is I'm very black

and white like out of it. What is it that they provided at that number that you couldn't get out of somebody else when it take I guess if there wasn't effort, well, Randy Gregory, I mean, Randy Gregory was playing at a very high level level before the calf injury. And when he had the calf injury, they lost games. They couldn't get after Patrick Mahomes, they couldn't get after Derek Carr against the Raiders. But I mean, we'll say this,

that was such a penalty fest game. I would imagine what Randy would have done in that game, because they like to throw flags on Randy true, which actually it's funny. The numbers don't back it up at all. Like Randy finished with six sacks, I didn't realize Doren's Armstrong had five. But and with all due respect to Dorren's Armstrong, no

way and what they have. DeMarcus Lawrence is an incredibly well polished and all around sound end like I'll put him up the whole body of work, like playing the run, rushing the passer, impacting the quarterback. He does. He does that as well as anybody like. He doesn't have like the freaky bend that the von Miller's do. Randy does, though Randy does and Micah Parsons does too, and you need all of them to really have a terrifying pastor. I agree Donald gets all the credit. Leonard Floyd was

a big part of that. Obviously, Von Miller had a hell of an impact. You need you probably you need three guys that can like that scare you, agreed, And that's why I say that you need Randy Beck. That's why I stand on and say you need Randy Beck. D Law. I respect the heck out of d Law, respect what he's done, but I think we all can agree he's not going to take a pay cut, right, I would assume, so I would assume that he won't

take a pay cut here. Yeah, not here. And if he's unwilling to take a pick up here, I don't see him on this roster. And reason being because I think what he provides it his team. He provides the leadership. There's a whole lot of things, attributes. I'm not a big stat guy. I'm not. I won't give a dog out a bus desk, but there's so many other plays that you affect. That's why. Yeah, So I think that he provides a lot of other attributes to this team

aside from sex. Okay, but what he does provide, what I see on film, I think you can get that production out of somebody who's for half of the costs. Here's the thing, and I think this is where I differ is I just don't trust it. And I know, as a GM you've got to think more about the bigger picture. You got to think about the long term

health of your cap and your roster. But like we're all sitting here disappointed as hell about a twelve and five team that couldn't win a playoff game, it's hard for me to imagine that they're a better version of that team without Lawrence, because I do think edge rusher is a position. I think it's a lot harder to find than you're giving it credit for it right now, because like the guys that can do it as well as Lawrence won't. They won't be able to afford them

on the open market. And unless unless you have like a top ten draft pick, like guys that can rush the passer that well that quickly, you don't find them in the draft. I agree, in year one at least, like maybe you luck out and find a third round pick who becomes a stud. It won't be in twenty twenty two. Yeah, I don't. I don't think that you need a complete dog at the DM position in this defense. And I'm very specific to saying this defense with dan Quinn.

Dan Quinn can get pressure on you as long as you have attributes that he knows how to utilize. If you're powerful, if you have speed, any he knows how to scheme it up. You're going to be effective holistically as a defense, not even as an individual. What impact does your attributes provide that he can throw into the mix and expose an offensive line? That's all you're looking for. You don't he dan Quinn doesn't need a dominant guy like a d I want to same even say dominant.

He doesn't need a guy, a twenty million dollar guy like d Law that can't single handily just take over a game. I can very much imagine a month from now or two months from now, you're I think you're right now that I'm listening to your argument, because I can imagine the cowboy was saying, you see what Dan got out of Mica as a twenty percent of the time pass rusher, Give us Micah and Randy and whatever we can add on the side of that, and we'll

be fine. I don't know if I believe that. I mean, I certainly think it's possible, but I think that's a very like pie in the sky drinking, the kool aid type of thing of like, hey, Micah got thirteen sacks last year, Like we just run it back and we don't need Lawrence. I can imagine that for sure. Yea, yeah, they won games, you know without d law they didn't. They didn't. They weren't as successful without Gregory. They weren't really as successful without Amar, especially the game that Amri

and uh and whatever. The reason why Mari wasn't there, I get it. Hey, we don't have to get into the COVID stuff, but I think that's a big part of the reason why Amri might not be here too, just the I think there's a dissatisfaction there. I mean, Jerry Jones did not bother hiding his disappointment that Amari was unavailable for two weeks. I'm just gonna nor that because I think that would be crazy. So I'm just gonna assume that. I think you're right. I don't want

to believe that. I don't like, I'm not looking if they move on from Amari. I'm like, I'm not looking forward to doing radio and podcasts afterward because I'm not gonna have anything nice to say. Right, all right, let's go to break, Maybe we'll have some nice things to say when we come back. We got a lot more questions I'm want to ask these guys, also a sneaky I'm gonna ask them about their sneaky draft need and

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Do you really? Oh? I love it? I met I think I met the lady one of the people that was on that. I was back for COVID, which feels like a lifetime ago. But I'm just surprised that wasn't a WrestleMania read because there's always want to go. It's coming up, man, I want to go, Okay in the

PBRs coming up. I gotta get tickets of both of the bull riding guy Oh no, I mean, oh yeah, I respect it, but I'm not until the last time when I was on the show and we did have a wrestling I was on his show and they had a wrestling read and then that got down to story time that this guy actually tried out as a wrestler, right for hap WW. Dude, I can see that you would have been why they didn't want you, You would have been they offered me. It wasn't enough, really, I mean,

that is a dude. That is a hard life. It is being on the road like it is. That's rep I wouldn't I couldn't be away from my family. And also like just destroying your body, just be down you You would be so good in the I don't know what they're called. I apologize, just just the interviews, just the world. What are they called? You know? The promo? Oh, Isaiah would be a promo god okay, heel though, or a good guy, I don't know. They always make you turn.

They always make you play both Isaiah as anybody who went through their entire career just being a good guy. They always make you play both sides. Isaiah would be a heel who thinks he's a face, Like Isaiah thinks he's the good guy and the voice of reason, but the crowd hates him or whatever. Kind of like old school Chris Jericho a little bit. Yeah, but see their competition.

I kind of like, I like the guys that are the other way, the guys that are kind of like bad guys, but because of their attitude, you just like them respective Like the Macho Man was was sort of that way. I mean, The Rock is the pinnacle of that. Like his whole thing was old a little bit straight. Favorite wrestler of all times, is it? I refuse to separate Stone Cold in the Rock. I love them both.

I mean that's my childhood and attitude era forever. Yeah. Absolutely, all right, let's let's talk a little bit about I teed this up about sneaky need position, like what and I know what it is for me. I'll just start it because if you got if you got Micah Parsons rushing the passer more and Layton Vanders did not have a great year and he's a free agent, and your Royal Cox is coming off an injury, and Luke Gifford is even in this conversation. That makes me think linebacker

is a pretty big need. Again. Two linebackers so that's I think from here. And this always, this always changes because people are gonna make fun and the Cowboys don't spend money, but they're gonna you know, they're gonna sign six or seven guys. They do it every year, and so it'll change. But right now, like purely from a number standpoint, I think linebackers like a top three need on this roster. They just don't. They don't have any.

Neil and Layton Nard under contract, Gifford and Francis Bernard have done. I mean, they're they're who they are. And then Jabriel Cox, I have high hopes for what he can be, but he's coming off an ACL Yeah. So um. You see a lot of draft you know, mocks and stuff like that. And I've seen the linebacker from Georgia, Nakobe Dean, who's undersized, a little bit undersized, but he's a heat seeking missile. I mean he sees it and

goes much about college. No. No, he's six flat, but is gonna run a great forty and knows where the ball's going. I mean he like, I don't know, toy like. He's a very twenty twenty two type of linebacker. I'm telling you if if the guy is there and he maybe it's gonna be closed, But I'll take the guy that played in front of him. Jordan Davis. Yeah, now, I understand that he's kind of a you know, he's

a big defensive lineman, which I thought. I thought Jordans Avis should have been had should have had some Heisman talk last year. I just thought that defense was so good and somebody was starring on it. I guess Nakobe Dean was helping too. Honestly, that Georgia defense, I would off the top of my head, eight of the eleven are gonna get drafted. Probably what's Jordan Davis is a number of dimension six six three huge run. Yeah you like that now? Ye oh yeah? Give me him all

day long. And I and I get the argument. I think I heard some of it of a brought us on the Draft Show and we don't even talk Draft show, which well we haven't happens twice a week, but um, you know there's some talk about, well do you draft a two down player? Right there? But which two downs

are we talking about? Second? Because if he can do his job and get off the field and let Micah Parsons and Randy and whoever else get after it, then I'm okay, right there, twenty two depend This is a weird draft, like the top of it, it's just it is a very beauty is in the eye of the beholder sort of draft, whatever you need. I've seen him projected anywhere from top twenty two in the forties, like he could be a second round pick or or he could not be there when the Cowboys pick, Like it's

hard to it's hard to tell. I've seen I think I've seen some mocks and he's like twenty two, twenty three for sure, Like that's no. I mean, he's a hell of a player. His effort, his size, his capabilities of his effort. Again, it's so much of so much of what they're going to add defensively for this team going forward in a draft or even in free agency is going to be around your character, your character and

your effort. That that's that's that is that's Dan. I've said it before, when Dan quinn Us his name even came up, I told the guys I'm talking about it. It's gonna be the whole character of this team is about to be changed, right, everything about it. Let's go into that a little bit. You see character you're talking about off the field, you're talking about both I'm talking about I mean, I'm talking about like a um. You know, you can't expect me to go hard every play type

of guys. Okay, that you're not talking about a guy that had some issues in college and from being young and immature. Okay, because that happened, and and and that pushed him down twelve spots. Because I guarantee you if it went just off, a talent Michael Parsons would would

have been higher than No. No, no, I think I think mean in bringing up that cool character in terms of like off the field stuff, I think that you will see You'll probably see some free agents come in here that that might have had some of that in their past too. Well, you always have, that's always been I'm talking about guys that have taken like a year off. Don't be surprised to see some guys. Oh oh, now I'm intrigued. Who I gotta go fish around for guys

who sat out for the last year. Interesting? Interesting, I say, mine's not there. Okay, sneaky need, I said, linebacker, And maybe it's not that sneaky. I mean, we just talked about this is boring. I don't. I don't think this team has a sneaky need like all of it there glearing you can look. I mean, linebacker speaks for itself, receiver speaks for itself, offensive line receiver speaks for itself.

Because they just don't have any under on track, especially if they get rid of a Maori offensive line was the reason for the most part why they fell apart in the second half of the season, So everybody knows about that. They don't have any safeties on the roster. Um. So if I'm if I'm looking for a sneaky need, probably edge because even if he does it more, I don't want Mica to play end exclusively. I'm sorry if I have to stand alone on that hill. I want

some versatility. So even if he does it more, I don't want him there all the time. And if they move on from DeMarcus Dorance Armstrong is a free agent, Terrell Basham's still here. He was fine, um and we Chauncey Golston, Yeah, he was fine as a rookie. But if if DeMarcus isn't on this team, yeah, I think, I mean, and I think end is something that you could potentially address as quickly as the first round of the draft. Are you paying for you to bring your

punter back? Um? Yes, Anger, Yeah, Yes, I am if a huge I can't imagine that the price would be crazy even after the season that I don't think it'd be crazy. And I think based off talking to him, I think there's if there's a discount there, I think he would rather play here. He understands. He made it very clear how much he wants to play for Bones. Yeah. So it's because he because he takes care of him. You know, we talked about him many times. And I

also played with Anger. I used to block for Anger when I was in Jacksonville. Really yeah, good dude. Drafted ahead of Russell Wilson. I'm glad like he made a like he's a good player. I'm glad that maybe he can get out from under that trivia fact because that's all anybody ever wants to talk about when they him in third round. Yeah, Jacks drafted him in the third like a few spots ahead of for us. So I mean that's it sucks, but yeah, but he's he's he's

gonna have a thirty seven year career. Yeah, he'll be Okay, he'll be fine. Okay, I wouldn't this wasn't on my list, but but now, Okay, not drafting a punter, but drafting a kicker has been talked about a lot. I would like to resign Anger because I don't want to spend draft picks on both positions, and I want to draft a kicker. I would love to draft a kicker. Sorry, I looked this up the other day. I mean, talk about saving some money and maybe feeling more confident when

your kicker takes the field. Not all kickers that are drafted have been good, but most of them have been. Like like they there's a reason why they draft, you know, like I wouldn't look this up in the last five or six years. And I know there's that Florida State kicker or gay that didn't work out. I like either of them are good. I firmly believe the butt like he had no chance the minute the Bucks traded up

into the second round to get him. It's such a mental position and like those types of expectations and that type of hype, I just think he crumbled under it. Yeah, I think if they draft him in the sixth round like a normal team, I bet he would have been fine. He's like, yeah, I'm a sixth round pick. Like, I'm a good kicker, but I'm still a kicker. You don't kicker in your sick a round in your fantasy No,

I wouldn't. I would not. Even there's two there's at least two really great kickers in this class, Um Cameron Dicker out of Texas and kde York out of LSU. They're both training here in Frisco. I would draft either one of them starting, like in the fifth round. I'd be a okay with that. Yeah me. K York hit that fifty something yardfield goal and couldn't even see the goal post. Right, Oh what a night? Yeah, that was

the shoe game. Oh yeah, Florida through the shoe That's right. Um, Okay, did you have a sneaky need or I mean it's at his point the sneak I mean I think that you have to you have to address your interior offensive line. I think you have to address that. I think you have to address linebacker, and I think you have to if Urban's not coming back, you have to address your interior defensive line. Yeah. I hadn't even thought about Brent Hurban I think I think they're I mean, I think

they missed him. Yeah, he was a good I would love to have him back. He had TRICEPTS surgery in December. I don't know what the recovery is on that. I know. Yeah, that's a tough position. It's a tough position to have to do something to your arm, for sure. And because this came out yesterday with Where's the Windows started with the franchise tag? Was there? Is there anybody on this team that you would franchise? But you would just say, all right, I gotta have them on the team at

this you know that's about five million? Maybe not then, I mean, if they can't get thanked, that's right, I would tag Randy obviously like they got worked. Yeah, what what man, there's a lot of money, man. We you need edge rushers the man. Okay, the man can run the hula hoop like parallel to the ground. You don't just find that on the street. Okay, here's here's the

thing about that. I know we're about to go here before Chris is in my ears probably telling me wrap it up, you're good, but real quick, um with is he okay? Well, what is the number or for let's just say, Randy, is it I think it's sixteen Okay, let's just say it. I'll pull it up. You talk, because the thing is is a minute that you tag him and you don't want him to play at sixteen million? Is sixteen okay, So let's say. Let's say that they tag them just so they can give themselves more time,

but that is the number from then on. That is the agents like, all right, if you want a four year deal, it's eighty five. It's one hundred because you just tagged him at twenty million. So that's the I've never seen a player get tagged and then sign for less than that. Doesn't happen. Agree, So to be careful doing the Dalton Schultz it's like eleven careful with that. What what are we doing here? Kicking? Are you kicking? Yeah? Maybe?

And I've seen I've seen people kick the idea of tagging Dalton because it's a it's quote unquote affordable at least as far as Frank I just I love the idea that just handing somebody eleven million guaranteed is seen as affordable. But it is a much smaller number than than a lot of the other ones. Although I will, which I don't. I'm not trying to start an argument

with Beamer. But everything i'm seeing has the d N tag at seventeen and a half, which is still a lot of money, but a little bit less than twenty. I should have asked this earlier. But if Schultz is tag, or here is Jarwin, y'all letting him go there? You save a little bit three or four millions something like that. You can't how much you haven't you giving him a lot of money already? They gave him twenty four. Yeah, he's staying. Figure it out. I'll figure it out money.

And it sucks because they're they're besties, they're you know, they've been here together. They're great friends. But from a team building standpoint, I'm just not sure why they both need to be here, especially if they're both expensive players. So and and maybe this is always it's this time of year is fun because their game plan could be so like we're sitting we're all in agreement, like Mary's not going anywhere, we're gonna do this, that and the other.

And they're like, yeah, we're gonna cut Amri, We're gonna we're gonna get something done with Schultz, like Schultz is a big part of this in our book. Yeah, and I'm just yeah, so who knows. I think I keep saying it. I think the next like five weeks are gonna be crazy, a little chaotic. Oh yeah, all right, I appreciate Isaiah. Thanks for filling in. You did great show. Yeah, thanks man. All right, we'll see you next time, and hopefully we'll have our full crew, but if not, we'll

definitely find some more replacements like we did that. Actually next time is you say you'll need to replacement next replacements that's right out of town. That's right for the combine, Yes, sir, so we'll probably be checking in. Yeah, give me a call. Yeah, we definitely won't, all right, because you'll your live view won't be working in and we'll have figure it all out. You are right me of all people talking about tech savvy, it's which funny all right for David Helmont, Isaiah stand back.

I'm Nick keeping. We'll see you next time. Thanks Chris for keeping us on the air. See you. This has been a pretty of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.