Cowboys Break: Players or Scheme?

We are live nest WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. It's a Tuesday, so you know what that means. It means we got a lot of topics we want to hit our infamous Gumbo show. We got a lot of stuff to talk about. We also want to hear from you guys. The numbers eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven to get eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven. If you should have questions or comments or topics that you'd like us to hit,

feel free to give us a call. We'll talk about that stuff, but we gotta start first with the NFC East. I'm assuming by that look on Day's face as says he's tired he watched that game last night, and I here physically or tired of like the NFC East in general at all. Right, but I'd love to hear from all you guys what your thoughts were last night as you were watching the Eagles and the Giants play and

just how the game transpired. You know, Eli looked like Peyton to start the game, and then he turned into Eli at the end of the game. That's what it looked like to me. No, he had a great moment. It was awesome. But then you know, the Giants aren't any good. The Eagles aren't any good, you know, but they got a little bit of momentum there, and that's good. I mean, the Cowboys are not going to be able to just i mean back their way into this. I mean,

they're gonna have to. They're gonna have to win a game to make it into the playoffs, win a couple of games. So you know, it's like they don't really deserve to get it just handed to them on a platter like that. You're gonna have to actually win. So that's what it was. For all the problems they're dealing with, they looked pretty good, just slicing right down field. And

overtime like they did. I mean, I know, I mean, the Giants aren't good, but the Eagles looked terrible for most of the night, and then when the chips were down, they looked like a team that wasn't ready to call it a season just yet, which I mean this. You know, the division race isn't over if they lose that game, but they're in a heck of a tough spot because I mean, if if the Cowboys win one and they lose one any combination of the next three, then it's over.

So they bought themselves some breathing room and then to the lead. I mean they jumped into like, well, it's not the lead, but they have a better probably probably have a better chance to make the playoffs and the Cowboys, I think, honestly, it's just it's gonna it's gonna be that game, just like we've been saying. I mean, not mathematically, but the Eagles have Washington, who's they're banged up as well.

Darius Geist isn't going to play next weekend, um, and I just it's gonna be that December twenty second, Philly hadn't was it their right tackle someone else say they've had a ton of injuries this year. In that game, right Lane Johnson is hurt. Al Sean Jeffrey left the game. Um, you know, Deshaun Jackson hasn't played for most of the year.

They had one you know, jj ar Sego white side or jj Artiago white side, as Joe Testator kept saying last night, which that's probably the correct pronunciation, but it's just cracked me up. Um, they had one receiver left by the end of that game. Like Zach Ertz was playing receiver. I thought he said after the game he played every skill position but running back. I saw that Josh McConnell was changing his helmets to be ready to

go out as a receiver. I mean, it was they were gonna have to do what they had to do at that point. Yeah. But if I mean you just look at it from a mathematical standpoint, Let's say the Eagles beat Washington and the Cowboys lose to their Rams next week. That puts them both at uh. No, that puts I'm sorry, no, that I'm sorry, that puts the Eagles in the leam head. But then they play each other so again, and then if the Cowboys beat the Eagles on December twenty second, they've got a relatively bad

Washington team to wrap it up. Like I said, not mathematically, but it all seems like it's gonna hinge on when they play each other. So what you've seen and what you saw last night from the Eagles really what you've seen all season. Do you think if right now you had to decide which of these two teams you think it's better, the Cowboys or the Eagles, which way do

you side on that? I mean, you have to remember the fact that the Cowboys have basically beaten the NFC East, and they've beaten Miami, and they've beaten who's the other team on the Cowboys? You have to say the Cowboys, don't you, because they laid each other. That's the thing. That's what it's the whole college football thing. It's like if they actually play each other, you know, and then you can determine who you know, who's better than who

you have to go head to head. And right now the Cowboys have absolutely destroyed the Eagles and pretty much every other team in that divid Do you not give any difference to the fact at the Eagles beat better teams, They beat the Packers, they beat the Bills. True. Yeah, And so the point I'm making though, is it seems like both the teams are bit schizophrenic all over the place. But if you look at it and you say, well, which of the team shows that they can turn it on?

And when they turn it on, they can be pretty good. I think I have more faith than the Eagles based upon some of the wins that they've had. I haven't seen the Cowboys going get a better team yet this year. Like most of the time when they played better team this year, they've lost or every team they've lost. I think I'm with Nick, but it's hard to say that because they are mired in so much stink right now.

Like it's been a pretty it's been since the Eagles game, really since anybody felt great about where the Cowboys were. Like even I mean they beat the Giants, they looked bad for three quarters of that game. It wasn't an impressive win. They mean the Lions game didn't have anybody fist pumping. So it's been a while, but they did beat the breaks off that Philly team. Philly's banged up, Philly's got some ugly losses on their resume. I think the Cowboys are the more talented of those two teams.

But I'm not trying to convince anybody that they should feel good about him right now. But I think what the Eagles have in front of them seems to be a better road. I mean, they got at Washington, which I mean they could easily lose that game, um and then but they have you know, Cowboys at home. It's all Division games for the Morana Giants on the road. And by the way, what the Giants are gonna do? I mean, is he like going to play that last game?

I don't know what Daniel jones A situation is. What is this less you know, final to get him to five hundred? Well, what is he when he's won below five hundred for his career? He lost? That loss last night dropped him below five Hall of Fame quarterbacks below five hundred in their career. If Joe Montana is not below, he's right at it. I mean, I'm sorry name okay, nay. If it's not in the Hall of Fame, yes, yeah, what I mean? What? And that's really terrible. Joe doesn't

matter like Joe. That's why he's that's and that's why Eli in the Hall of Fame. Too Black should have done that. Then we're gonna beat the forty nine ers. The lights are gonna go out, but we're gonna beat the forty nine ers. We said, we've said it before, Like that's the whole the whole story about it is, if you can't tell the story of the NFL without

mentioning their name, they probably belong in. I don't know if I necessarily ascribe to that, because I think there's some guys that are intricate to the story of the NFL that aren't Hall of Fame players, and I think Eli's kind of one of them. Paid that argument because as a writer, you know, people ask you to write a story, the first question is how long do you need it to be? So how long is the story? It's volumes. Can you tell the Cowboys story without Tony Romo? No?

And that's that's kind of my point. If it's quick, if you want to tell a story of the NFL, I mean, Tony Romo had a place in NFL history. That doesn't mean as a Hall of Fame player right place. Well, but well, I mean I think that a guy coming from being undrafted to getting to the point where he was considered to be a really, really good quarterback. That's a part of the story. Got that story, Kurt Warner. Yeah, I mean that guy actually was working at Kroger or whatever.

I get it. I'm just saying, though, that's still a part of if you if you were to tell your kids, if you're trying to tell your kids about the NFL, I think that's an interesting story about the history of the NFL. My point though, is just because the story is interesting to the history of the league doesn't mean it's a Hall of Fame player. And in that at this instance, I don't necessarily see Ali Manning as a Hall of Fame player, but that's my opinion. I do.

But that's okay, we don't have to do that. We don't about that. It's all about their defensive front. That's how they wanted Super Bowls. That's say, we don't have to do this right now. But I think he's going to be in the Hall yeah, bit Terry b Yeah, he will. Their defense is pretty good too, make no mistake about it. He will be in the Hall of Fame, no doubt about it. All right, let's move on. Um, Actually, let's go ahead and take our first break. When we

come back. I want to talk a little bit about Jason Garrett and something he said about some changes that could possibly be happening. I'm gonna get some opinions from these guys on what that could possibly mean, and we'll be right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. I'm Jay nova Check, former tight end for the Dallas Cowboys. Back in the day, I was a guy who always got the tough yards and that's why I run with

John Dear today. In fact, I have a John Dear three zero twenty five E tractor and handle any yard work I need to do, even the tough yards way out back. So if you have one acre or a thousand, John Deer has the equipment that's just right for you, Visit a John Deer dealer today and run with us. We are the official tractor provider of your Dallas Cowboys. Whether you're into being a part of this or more into something like this. Sea Geek has the tickets to

the events you love. It's the easiest way to find, buy and sell tickets. Plus, with their deal score technology, they'll recommend the best seats in the house at the best value. So the next time you're craving this, don't load the sea geek app and let's go see kie want to use what the pros use? How about the official men's skincare brand or the Dallas Cowboys Jack Black. Right now, you can get the Jack Black Starter, a curated collection of Cowboys locker room favorites, for just ten

bucks with free shipping. A starter includes four Jack Black skincare favorites plus a full sized and tense therapy lip bomb. Go to get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys and use the code word team JB. That's get Jack Black dot com slash Cowboys. The Jack Black Starter ten bucks, free shipping Ready. Helkay give me an ass, give me it all? Oh, give me an give me all? So so are we gonna win? Share? Just okaying is not okay, whether it's cheerleaders or your wireless network. At and T

is America's best wireless network. Best network based on GWS one score, September twenty nineteen. Back to the Break Welcome Back. It is the second segment of The Break Life and thats WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. It's our gumbo show. We got a lot of stuff we're getting into today. I want to talk about Jason Garrett. There was a comment he made um recently and I thought was kind of interesting, and I want you guys to get playing some color to this because I'm not really quite sure

who are what he's talking about here. But here's the quote. He said, the guys who earned the playing time by playing the right way are going to play more. Obviously, you can't swap everybody out, that's not what we're talking about. But we have to look for opportunities to play the guys who play the right way and have done that consistently when they've gotten opportunities. My question for you guys would be, who could he be talking about here? My

favorite guys? My thought, I guess for when you think about who would be getting more playing time, when you think of all the positions, I think DBS. I don't. I don't know. I don't think they offensively on the offensive line. I don't necessarily think they make changes there. I don't think they're doing anything with receivers. I mean, you have Gallop and you have Cooper and then you know slotting guys. But that's my thought. I don't know if that means Jordan Lewis. That's the thing that's why

I I mean, we got to talk about something. I get it, but it's frustrating and comment because what is the right way? You your right way is that you know, toes on the line for national anthems? That the right way? I mean, what's the right way? Is it not dancing when a guy's hurt? Is it being in your gap? I mean, what are you talking about, you know, being a discipline player, being a good player. I don't. I

don't know, and he doesn't want us to know. He just wants to throw something out there to say, yeah, I'm gonna make some changes because we've lost three in a row. So I'm gonna make some kind of changes. You know. I'm not gonna tell you what they are. I'm not gonna tell the rams what they are, but yeah, I'm gonna do some things differently. So let me change the question. Let's let's not try to get in his head,

because that's a futile endeavor. Let's say, if if it were you and you were looking at this team and you were saying, we got three games left, I've seen how these guys have played to this point. Who are some guys or some positions that you feel like there is an opportunity maybe to upgrade what you're doing by getting this guy more opportunities, even at the expense of

this other player upgrade. And that's what I was gonna say, is I agree with what Nick was just saying, like the right way like that, to me, that doesn't mean good, like if you had batter or players, you'd play those right Like that doesn't mean to me, that doesn't say like we're gonna like, oh, we've got this cornerback who's better than Cheeto, but we just haven't been playing him. No, like that to me, I mean, and I get sure

that's not the truth. Though, Do you think they have a corner who's better than Cheeto who hasn't been playing. I will say this, I've been more impressed with the opportunities that with what Jordan has done with the opportunities he's gotten, then what I've seen from cheto this year. So my question would be, but George, is it worth playing?

I understand that, But would it be worth in situations where there's only two cornerbacks on the field as opposed to three because Jordan is out there typically when they're a nickel. So my question is, should this be a situation where maybe he should be the guy that's starting and playing more when they're in their base defense and bringing Cheeto in even though Jordan's slide into the slot bringing Cheeto in whenever they go to Nickel and I

don't know that they could. That's like twenty percent of snaps. I don't know, like I have a which Again, to go back to, my point is like and I hate, I hate to infer because I could be wrong, but I hear that quote and I it sounds like a shot to me at guys who are not playing maximum effort, max, maximum discipline, maximum, what the coaching staff asks of them,

Like that is what I infer from that quote. And for me, I mean, based on the last game that we saw, I'm thinking about linebackers and I'm thinking about safeties honestly, And again, you're kind of in a bind in some of those spots. Laden vander Esh can't play right now. Jeff Heath maybe he can get back for this game against the Rams, but it's definitely not a sure thing. So again you're shorthanded. So Jalen Smith hasn't been playing well. I don't think Xavier Woods played a

great game the other night. Maybe I mean, there you've got Joe Thomas and Sean Lee. Maybe you bumped them up into the rotation a little bit more. I mean, I can hear people clamoring for Donovan Wilson, but I don't really think that's going to happen. They trust him to do any better. And if you I mean if Jordan Lewis, if they think that he could give them a boost in base then I don't have a problem

with that. It just doesn't seem like a big enough sample size of plays for me to get worked up about. One of the things that I think they could do differently is not maybe not so much changing the personnel, but how they rotate it, especially on the defensive line. You know, if you think about it from a standpoint of a basketball coach, you might have played ten players, but just because you're six minutes into the game, you don't take all five out and put five new in

and see how that works. I mean, you kind of sprinkle them in and out. That's what I think they should be doing with the D line. There was a game of the Buffalo Game where a couple of weeks ago, where they actually drove the length of the field, and it's just like, well, we're gonna go with the whole backup,

you know. The b team actually goes out there together, Tristan Hill, Carry Hyde Er, Durrance Armstrong and at that point Michael Bennett and I'm like, why, you know, you're only a couple You're only a couple of series into the game, you know, And then we saw something really interesting. I wonder if you're going to get yeah, very interesting.

At the end of the Bears game, they're down, I believe ten third and seven Bears, a couple of minutes to go in the game, and Michael Bennett's on the field and Michael Bennett basically points to two linemen to get on the field for this third down play. I don't care what the rotation is, get on the field, and it was d Law and Robert Quinn and then Hyder and Armstrong kind of came out. That's maybe a shot at the coaching staff or at those guys forgot

about that. That was really I mean, he was standing as I feel like, get out here, come on. You know. Honestly, it could be the coaching staff, but I also think my question would be if he is the one that's calling for them. Yeah, maybe it's the players. Tank makes enough money where if he's like I'm going in whoever's in there is coming out right, he could call his own own plays and say I need to be out

there right now. So if if Michael Bennett is the one summoning him out, then why wouldn't he take himself out there? It would be my question. Right. Yeah, I'm starting to think, like the whole Hot Boys thing, there's some negativity to it when you think about it. Just like we always said, next man up is has got its downfalls because you can't just say, well, next guy up, I mean put him in there, because it's not the same. You have to do things differently because he doesn't play

as well. So sometimes this whole group of we're in this together, I mean I get what Tank was trying to do and all that, and it works worked well last year, but it's not a group of nine guys that are all equal. So just because this particular guy has the cap, that doesn't mean that he can play

on third and nine when you need him too. And if all of them are equal, then they should be paid equal, right and not certainly not, they're not you know that when you're paid out of premium, then the expectation is that you're going to play it at premium. That means when there are money downs out there, the money man needs to be on the money down. I don't think no, which this this is what I keep

thinking about when we talk about this again. The quote is the right way, Like, that's defense just all the way? Like is there? I mean you go along the offensive lineup, like, sure they could get better production from tight end Jason Witten isn't what he used to be, But like, is he not playing the right way? Right? I doubt that very much? And you know, Xavier Suaphilo, like, is not he Like they could get better play from their left guard, but is he not playing the right way? I doubt it?

And Jerry Jones, like every time he's talking since the Chicago game, he's harped way more on the defensive shortcomings than anything else. So that's it. Just I think that is where the ire of this team is right now. Is this defense is just not performing. Xavier Woods, maybe maybe Jeff Heath comes back, and actually it's Thompson that

stays in the lineup. Man, I don't know. I'm just I'm not trying to single out Xavier Woods here, how how much you think the Cowboys are now regretting their decision on draft Day to not take a safety with that pick in the second round us even absolutely what they've gotten from Tristan Hill just thinking about it from the standpoint of has Xavier really developed to the point that they thought he would or should and looking at the two young safeties who we've mentioned before and what

they've done so far this year, do you think the Cowboys are regretting just the idea that they could have upgraded their safety position? Probably? I would think so. They I mean they've even before injuries, I think they knew like before them in Cavon Frazier still out, I think they probably, I would assume, would be you know, we'll be okay this year. We'll look into safeties next year

when some of the contracts are up. But I think in hindsight, when you look it's it's something they should have taken into more consideration and maybe made a move for. I think that's I think that's exactly right. I guess my pause or my hesitation was because like, are they ready to call that a mistake? Like and That's what I always you know, I always joke like, it's not a bad ideas, it's a bad idea until it's their idea, or it's a you know, it's not a good idea

until it's their idea. Like are they ready to say that? I don't know, Like maybe you know, they have a much better read on where Tristan Hill is and how he's developing than I do, Like maybe, yeah, that's a project for the next month or so. It is, be like, do you guys, are you guys out on this guy yet? Because I just feel like they're probably not, even if I do think it was probably a mistake. And also then you look at the trade that they almost made

with Jamal Adams. Did they look back now and go, well, we're glad we didn't do that, or which they would have? You know, could he have changed a few games here and there? He did get hurt, but I mean, there's no telling that he would get hurt there. And the thing about it is he's a guy that that you know, you got your last year, you got your lift from Amari Cooper and it basically got you rolling into the playoffs.

Maybe that could have been that sort of guy for you this year that could have been that much of a difference maker for you to where it kind of wins some of these games that you. I don't think he's on ir he's hurt, but there he is hurt. That's two years in a row that a guy that almost got traded to the Cowboys ends up getting hurt right after the deadline, right or after the deadline there? What didn't Earl Thomas get hurt? Oh? Oh yeah, he messed up his leg? Right, didn't he safety set carted

off the field? I sure did. Had something to say about it, he can say it. He didn't say you know that? I mean, and and who knows where the season would have gone. And obviously I don't think they'd feel bad about trading for Jamal Adams. But if if a regime change is coming, then I think they'll be happy about having a first round draft pick heading into this new time. Ye so, and me, as somebody who covers the draft, it's very happy about that. So let's take a call real quick. We got a call from

Chris and Connecticut. Chris, what up? Hey, good afternoon, guys. Appreciate you take him a call. Yep, it's got just first, I want to say, as much as it pains for me to say, kudos to the Eagles. Um, they you know, they picked themselves off off the ground and found a way to win that game last night, unlike the Cowboys who don't seem to be able to come back from

a three point definite, let alone fourteen. But UM, my question to you guys is this is how how is it that we never seem we know going into the game where they know going into the game, even as a layperson, you know, we are really vulnerable to the screens, We're really vulnerable to running quarterbacks. And it's just you know, it's game after game after game, and yet they don't seem to prepare. It's you know, you see them line up the same way, you can see it coming. And

I just don't understand. Do you think it's the function of the players that they have playing in the wrong scheme or is it the scheme that's wrong in that, you know, have they have other teams just figured us out? We've become so predictable. I just would love to hear your thoughts on that, as if the players or as the schemes because something's not right. Yeah, well, I will say congratulations. You always want to be the first to do something. I think he's the first one to ever

call and say kudos to the Eagles on here. I don't know what's ever said that before. It's all good, No, it's all good. That's fine. They did themselves up, but they did get down by fourteen to the Giants. I mean that I don't think they figured it out. I think that they want a game, but I don't think that they're they're any good, and that the Cowboys aren't any good. They're just gonna whoever's gonna, you know, walk into the walk into the door here, you know, last

we'll win it. But scheme or players, Danny, you go good. Well, I should say that that's what's frustrating is the way they haven't been able to defend mobile quarterbacks. And I struggle with whether or not it's players, because for the most part, this is a lot of the same players as last year. I mean, you know, we haven't had Layton, I know you have Robert Quinn stuff, But I don't know that they've necessarily changed the scheme up so much.

So I'm not sure if it's players just aren't performing for whatever reason that is, I know tackling has been such a large issue this year, and I mean the coaches can't go out there and tackle for them, so I guess I would lean more to the players just not performing. Well. You just I just thought of something when you said that. You remember how last year ended, last season ended, What play won this game for the Rams?

It was a yeah, bootleg bootlegs And by the way, in that game, it was a ton of misdirection and all that kind but really with him, Yeah, they got run all over by C. J. Anderson and yeah and Gurley and then at the end it was it was that play. So because I because I was thinking, well, who they played this week? It played golf. He doesn't

really Yeah, well I know that's what I'm saying. I'm like, well, maybe golf will hurt No, it's if you can anybody better than ELI would probably hurt them running, you know, with their legs. It's just the way it is. The answer is always going to be both. I mean, you can't tell me the scheme doesn't work purely because this is the scheme that created the most dominant defense in modern NFL history. Like you know, a lot of single high cover three Christoph Shards. You know, it worked gangbusters

in Seattle. Why did it work so well? It had Hall of famers everywhere? Why did it work so well? Last year? Guys were playing Pro bowlers on all levels of the field. Byron Jones was erasing the right side of the defense. The linebackers were making good reads and making athletic plays, and that's I think that is. I think that's the source of a lot of frustration. Is you know, Jason Garrett, we associated with offense a lot,

but it's defense too. It's like, well, if we do this at the highest level possible, will be pretty good and or will be very good. And they did it last year, and I think you know, teams spend an offseason, you know, teams try to figure out Dak. They also try to figure out your linebackers, like, oh, Jalen Smith doesn't change direction in space very well, Let's take advantage of that. Let's take advantage of the aggression of this defense and missdirect and do a lot of stuff like that.

And again, if they were playing at an all pro level, if Layton Vanderesh was completely healthy and playing better than he did last year, he'd probably be sniffing a lot of stuff like this out. But he's not part of that. Maybe you know your development or lack thereof. Injuries are part of it too. Coaches unwillingness to adjust from what had worked before, it always ties together. So I don't you know. I don't think the scheme is bad on its own, but the scheme is bad when the players

aren't operating at it at an elite level. And when you combine that with the coaching staff's unwillingness to tweak it to make up for their deficiencies, you get a bad product. Yep, you hit the nail on the head. Because if you listen to what the players have been saying after all of these losses, every single one of them, what I hear over and over in the locker room is we beat ourselves. We just need to play better.

We just got to figure out how to play better. Well, what happens in the instance where you cannot play better. You are playing as good as you can based upon where you are. Like if you're Jalen Smith and your limitations are your limitations, and teams to figure out what your limitations are, You're not gonna get any better. You're not gonna overcome that limitation necessarily. So that's where I get back to if it's up to the coaches at that point to realize what we're asking of our players

they are not capable of doing. Yeah, we can say you gotta be better, but you're not gonna make me turn into Dion Sanders like. It's just it's not possible, right, And that's where you have to kind of change up what you're doing, because you may be asking something of your players if they're just not capable of doing. Yeah. But it goes back to what Danny said, if you can't tackle. I mean a lot of it is simple

stuff too. Yeah, but a part of that may be I missed the tackle because I recognize what was going on late, so I take off running full speed. Now I get out there and I'm over pursuing, and now the guy makes a move and he cuts back against me, and bam, I've missed the tackle. So there are a lot of things that can go into missing the tackle other than Jess I didn't wrap up right. I mean, it's it's everything, it really is. I mean, they're gonna

have a new coach. I think we all know that that Jason Garrett is not going to be the coach next year because they're not gonna go They're not gonna get hot. There's nothing that says this team's gonna get hot. And if they do, you know what, call in and say you were wrong, and I'll be like, I was wrong because they're not gonna get hot, and it's gonna take something. And this is gonna take a Christmas miracle to the New Year's miracle to get them to enough

where you're like, I gotta keep Jason. Garrett's not gonna happen. We always joke. We I mean, you know, Michael Myers, we don't have to do it. But if in the back of your mind, I want to know from all y'all like the percentage. I think we would all agree that you're right, But what is the percentage in your head that they could get hot? You know, like, you're like, is it zero every time? About one percent? Now you know what it is? After you ask me that at

the end of every game, I'm like zero percent. They are who they are, They're done. And then by about Thursday or Friday, same thing the Amber was saying last week about Thursday Friday, I'm kind of like, I still do think this team has some talent. I still do think maybe they can turn it on. I still did see them last year after they had a dismal first half just turn it on and go crazy, So maybe they have it in them. So right now I'm probably

feeling like there's still fifty fifty chance that they show. Yeah, say, toss up what I knew if this team is they are tossed. I do know who they are. They're not a toss up. You're right, You're right, they're not a toss up. But my mine keeps telling me I have experience knowing that this team is better than what they hold on, better than what they've shown. Real quick, I want Danny's answer, Okay, this is this both it's it's Sunday. I think it's going to be getting hot in a

misleading way. I think if they come out and they beat Philly, who's terrible, and then they beat Washington, who's terrible, and they're gonna say they had this momentum going into the playoffs winning the division, and I don't think it's going to be a real momentum because you just beat terrible teams. I don't think it will be getting hot in the sense that it will help them. Do we all think they're going to make the playoffs? I don't

see it right now. That's because I'm most people like I, you know, I talked to fans on Twitter all the time, Like most fans seem to think it's like six or seven wins. They're like, we're not. We're winning one if maybe anymore. Yeah, And I don't think I still I don't think I believe that. I don't think they can talk up honestly, just like I said about them getting on a run, I think it's a toss up whether they win a division. I think it's a toss up whether they get to the playof I just think all

of this is, in my opinion, a fifty five. It is no different than basically flipping a coin because I don't have a hand. I don't have a handle on win or if this team has the ability to turn on. I know they've got talent, but for whatever reason, they ain't showing up, and so does that at some point, can they figure out a way to get that that switched to flip or if not, they'll continue to be

who they are. It's it's interesting because they don't have to get hot, like right now, they don't even really have to get They can just kind of, like she said, just kind of stumble along and just win enough games and let the Eagles be the Eagles, and you know, you can steal kind of back into this thing. But are you good enough to beat the Vikings or the Seahawks or whoever is going to be sitting there that's

the five seed. Yeah, the crowd will be hot, and it'll be able, you know, flat, they'll have the white towels going and all that good stuff. But will it be good enough to win? I mean, I don't and it hasn't been yet. They don't. They don't have to beat a team with a winning record to get into the playoffs. They don't. They can lose Sunday, beat the Eagles, beat the Redskins in there in yep, all right, let's

take our final break. When we come back, I want to talk about something that Jerry had to say this morning on his radio show. Pretty interesting stuff. Will be go right back. This is Dallascotboys dot Com. Are you ready? Okay? Yes? So? Are we gonna win? Play like we share? Just okaying? Is not okay? Whether it's cheerleaders or your wireless network. At and T is America's best wireless network. Best network

based on GWS one score. September twenty nineteen. Ladies and gentlemen, it's that time again for tailgating with the Auterbox boys. Autterbox the company that builds wildly overproductive phone cases the one and only, but cases are just the start. Auterbox is the official outfitter of tailgating. If they can keep my phone safe, what can they do for my parking lot party? How about protecking your beverages for suboptimal drinking

temperatures with their elevation tumblers. An Auterbox elevation tumblers come in three sizes, a ten ouncer, a twenty ouncer, and even a sixty four ounce growler. Check out all the colors and sizes of their elevation tumblers at auterbox dot com. Whether you're into being a part of this or more into something like this, Sea Geek has the tickets to the events you love. It's the easiest way to find,

buy and sell tickets. Plus, with their deal score technology, they'll recommend the best seats in the house at the best value. So the next time you're craving this, download the Sea Geek app and let's go see geek. Hey Cowboys Nation. This season, when the Cowboys win, you get to experience the sweet taste of victory because if the Cowboys win the next day, Duncan is offering a free

medium hot or iced coffee. So don't just celebrate the Cowboys success from the sidelines, head to Duncan and tree yourself to real victory because this season, Cowboys fans aren't only winning on game day, they're winning the next day too with a free medium coffee. Cowboys Nation runs on Duncan. Excludes cold Brute Limit one for guests. Participation may vary, limited time offer back. Didn't talk back to the break. Santa Claus is coming to town. They just he is

and that's a fact. And sure, yeah it's a fact. I'm actually I'm reading it right now. You have a chance to take a photo with Santa at the Star this holiday season. Santa Claus will be at the Cowboys fan themed set on Fans United at the Star and Frisco now through December twenty fourth. For more information or in the book your photo, visit The Star and frisco dot com slash Santa have an idea as a family, why don't we all go out to take a family

picture wards Santa. That would actually be a really funny thing. Would seach you on his lap? Right? Sure? And Nichols standing side on either side as the parents or I think Santa would regret that decision quickly. I think this would actually be kind of cool. I would laugh it would do we bring Danny ag both? Okay, bring both. We might even invite Kyle since he does the board for you. Might even invite Kyle Kyle and we'll all got and we'll do a family photo with Santa. Do

we wear matching sweaters? Yes, we have to wear matching sweaters. I don't know what color we need to go with Nick Christmas sweaters. Perfect. That's the way. I honestly think this is a pretty good I do too. I think you'll be all always like those Miller like Christmas sweaters. We'll get you one an unwrapped mind. I still have it in my closet. I can do it. Huh, what if Santa can have a Miller like yes, while we're yeah, you can do that. We just need to bring it

out how much do the cost. I can work it out. Awesome, I got connects. Just let me know. If you don't have connections, though, you can go to visit the Star and Frisco dot com slash Santa. All Right, it's happening tomorrow. Got it? That sounds got it way more fun than what we were talking about. And so all right, let's get back in some of that fun. Okay. I did hear a quote from Jerry Jones this morning on his radio show here with r J and Sean RJ on the Fan, And here's the quote, and I want to

get your opinions on what you think it means. He says, we haven't met with urban Meyer. He says, I don't want to imply that we wouldn't. The implication is you're not interested. That shouldn't be the thought that followed either, Like you laughed, I had to do. Not interested, but I'm not interest right, covering himself in case the future he wants to talk to him, it's not well, you said at to talk to me. He also, and I'll a lot of people have pointed this out to me today.

He said, we have not talked to any coach. Urban Meyer is not a coach. He is an animstraight now correct, so just saying just saying so smart I did. I did a massive double take. I was listening in the car and I was just like, did he just say that? Even though he hasn't talked to him, he doesn't mean he's not interested. Just laughing out like, I can't believe he just said that's Honestly, I was nervous because I

was like, am I miss hearing this. I'm gonna get in trouble when I tweet it like this, because that, to me, he's gone. Jerry Jones has gone out of his way to back Jason Garrett and he's not going to do something during the season. And he's still I

assume won't. But he's out here, you know, five days before a game, three games to play, playoffs still in play, and he's like, well, yeah, I mean I might be interested in talking to some people, which is not that you're surprised to hear that, but I'm surprised to hear him say it. But in public, I will say this

like we all. I shouldn't say we all. Me and Nick lived through a time when Jerry was publicly not saying he was looking for a coach and was having meetings with his next coach, Bill Parcels, trying to figure

out if he was the right guy. And so I think that when you're dealing with these kinds of situations, you have to be very careful if you're in Jerry's position, because anything you say, as in the case of this, can be used for or against you, right, and so you have to be very careful with what you say.

But you also got to be thinking about the current and the future of your organization, and if you're gonna make a coaching change, you better have a shortlist of guys and be prepared to make that change before you fire. So I think the worst thing you can do as the manager of any business is fire someone and not have a replacement option. Like if you don't have a plan already set up, did You're you're doomed to fail. If you're going to just fire someone and not have

a plan, well, they don't have to. He doesn't have to fire Jason Garrett. He you know the contract will run out. But but like you said, I mean he did. He was sitting on the runway meeting with Bill Parcels. I think the day or the weekend before that game against the Eagles, and so in two thousand and two, and you know, the Campo was asked about it and it was really awkward. And so the same thing here. I mean, Garrett, you know, how does your team respond?

That team responded with losing that game like twenty seven to three, so like that that didn't do anything, you know, like that they weren't good enough to beat the Eagles that day. And I don't know if the Cowboys are good enough to beat the Rams. But as Dave always says, a great analogy of just when you think, you know, they finally killed off Michael Myers and it's over, like this is it? All right, roll the credits, finally this would be this is it. But this would be the

comeback of all comebacks. This is like the end of Halloween eight, where like he's been lit on fire and shot a million times and had the cement kind of hanging off the girls. Yeah we're alive. I'm sorry. I never want to ever think about that again. This would be an escape of all escapes, which and that's I mean, short of tampering, Like obviously Jerry can't talk to other NFL clubs coaches, but like short of tampering, I would be doing my due diligence on anybody that I might

be able to talk to. Well, who, I mean, Urban Meyer, Mike McCarthy's not working, I don't know whatever. I would be absolutely shocked. I'd be absolutely shocked if Jerry or Steven or whoever is having to think about these kinds of things, doesn't, at least even if just in their minds, have a short list in their minds of if we were going to move away from our coach, who would we'd be looking at to possibly replace him. If if they're not doing that to me, that's just that's just

that would be your response. I would be absolutely shocked. Still strange, maybe not strange, but surprising that he would say something like that is on the radio the week before a game while also backing Jason Garrett. But that's the Cowboys. Been an interesting couple of weeks, though, with every statement, every time I think I've been part of the weirdest season, I'm wrong. I just well, twenty seventeen

still takes the cake for me. I mean, I don't two thousand and eight was pretty wild for y'all, But what happened in seventeen again, I mean everything well Zeke suspension, national anthem, everybody got hurt. They couldn't do anything without Tyron. I mean the team just absolutely fell apart. Without Tyron Smith. I'm probably forgetting some stuff Lucky Lucky Whitehead's dog. The index card, I mean, twenty seventeen just goes on and on and on. The index card to me is still

just that's just the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Like the more it goes on, just like that's that's part of the rules, Like if you just can't figure it out, you have to just I don't even remember who had the ball. Did the Cowboys at the ball? Cowboys at the ball? They went for it, and then they wound up. They went down and scored at the index card, putting

that there was showed that it was. It was it was that close, Like he put the card in there and it like grazed the football like that was proof enough for Jane's territory. And he was smart smarting the whole time. God, that was weird. Yeah, and yeah, I mean you dubbed Jeff he's the goat that game. I Jeff Heath's been the goat since way before then, he's just he's was he kicking field goals? That year? Was that? The year? Sixteen was the field goal year? And then

fifteen he led the team and picks and six. You know, he's he's he's been a playmaker. That's all he does. Which team does? Don't ask that question something? No, I like Jeff, but but yeah, I mean he said, I'll tell you what Jeff versus future Hall of famers has not gone? Well, no, no, when he goes up against Adrian Peterson and and Calvin Johnson and maybe Graham kind of dog my man for stuff that happened when he was an undrafted rookie. I know, I know it's okay.

He had a moment left. No, but I mean the moment the big player we were just talking about. Wasn't that a part of his work? I don't remember the last play of the game, M Like, wasn't that part his resume? He also picked off a future Hall of Famer in the playoffs before that. Let Robbie Anderson go ninety's all right, just say, were you han't? Were we doing thee it? We can do this, but everybody, you're right, everybody everybody on this team. We can probably go through

a dossier of plays at two thousand and eight. Two thousand and eight had a bunch of off field drama, didn't it? Just like a tonne was here? Was that the year of the helicopter flying over his place after the supposed no no, no, no no? What year was that? What? That might have been the craziest experience I've ever had to Cowboys. I thought he was still with the Eagles when that happened. When no, no no, no, no no talking about the overdose to you talking about the overdose, Yeah, that's

what about? But what I mean was he was with the Cowboys. The hack Man was in Oa, wasn't he? And Tank with the stuff in the trunk of the car in two thousand and eight. That's that's what's crazy about this year to me, is like it's they're they're so up and down and there's so much weird stuff

going on. They're not playing well. It's but there's no like drama that none of the drama that typical whole dramas just y'all the dramas just that, Oh we thought y'all were really good, and you're not, like that's the drama weight had drama because that was the year that TiO said that that Witten and Roma go out to practice and plays in the dirt. No, well, he said they were in their hotel rooms the night before games. Yeah,

making up plays. Which the ironic part of that was the forty four to six game at the end of the season against the Eagles, when they had a chance to win it, they lost terribly. Yeah, there was the weirdest play you've ever seen where they like run the ball to Witten or TiO and he throws it back to Witton and when Whitton throws it maybe I don't remember something. It was like one of the better plays

of the year. Though you remember that I don't. So it's better than did you get tweeted about the fleeflicker that went two yards last night? Any in any football game televised, I get a tweet? It would have matter, madam Ohio versus youngstound state fleeflicker. It would have worked gangbusters if Nate's soldier could protect the left side. But oh well, is what it is? Good? Not all right?

We appreciate you guys, johnas we were back tomorrow normal time eleven forty five till then Nick Eveman, Dave Hellman, Danny Serect. This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.