Cowboys Break: Players On The Bubble

It is a first edition in a long time. It seems like it's been forever since we've been on the on the on the air, But we got a lot to talk about today. We're gonna talk a lot about Ezekiel Elliott and his situation, his situation that's going on. We're gonna talk a little bit about the fifty three man roster. I have a few questions for you guys around the bubble. Guys, actually gonna be a pretty cool piece of content that you two will be involved in

later today that we're gonna put out. Just so you guys know, it's going to be a video where we're gonna put all the riders together. Brian, Nick Dave rob and you guys are gonna basically you're going to figure out a fifty three million roster, and from what I understand, you have to come to consensus on it. Good luck will be interesting. Good luck. I don't think I've ever seen Dave and Brian come to consensus on pretty much anything.

LSU football. LSU football, that is one thing. You guys come and I don't even know if you've everything with l football. And as I said that, I was like, that's not true, that's not really true. But we got a lot to get into. How's everybody doing this one? We're good, good, great, awesome, and I'm sure everybody's still kind of riding to hire. From last night, I thought that was a really cool event. Cowboys put on an event to raise some money for needy people down in Houston,

South Texas for Harvey relief. Raised two point three million dollars last night. So a really cool event. Um, you guys covered it. Did you guys hear anything from the players? I was interesting. I know you talked a few players afterwards. Just anything that stood out to you about how they felt about doing the event or anything like that. Well, I think that the fact that, you know, when you look at what was going to happen on Thursday night,

and it was going to be a game. It was going to be these guys on the sideline and these guys that are going to be on the field, and that's exactly the way it was. It was just a little bit different than what how it turned out. I mean, with a being a big bank of phones and they're they're all answering it. I thought that, you know, the obviously they were happy to do that and not practice, But as far as the cause, it was great. I mean, and the fact that the fans got the call players

and talk to them. I mean, yeah, they were they were donating, but they were also getting a chance to talk with their favorite players. So I think it was kind of win win for everybody there. And I don't want to go as far as to say that they didn't want to do it. Obviously it's a good cause. It's a great cause, but I can see, you know, football players, especially you know, not Jason Witten, but guys

that aren't in the spotlight so much. Maybe you're a little bit apprehensive about that, you know, taking phone calls from strangers. How am I going to work the phone, this is on TV, Like what exactly am I doing? But it seemed like whatever apprehensive this they might have had, I think it went away really quickly, and you could tell how excited all those guys were to be a

part of that. And I think, you know, once they kind of got the feel for the flow of it, I thought, you know, all the feedback I heard from those guys was really really positive. Yeah, and again they raised two point three million dollars, So that's always a good thing when you're raising money to help people that are that are really in need. And some cool moments too.

The last night, I know that there was the moment when Jerry and he calls in and gets days on the line and he makes his donation of a million dollars. That was a fun little moment. So there's a lot of the moments like that that made it really cool and interesting and fun as well. Yeah, and a lot

of them just kind of repeated over and over. This whole situation went beyond football, so a lot of fans were wandering whether they should have canceled the game or not maybe use that as a good cost to donate money or race money. But they handled it in a really good way to turn it around, in a way that the Texans were able to get back home to their families and their community, yet they were able to

keep raising money for a good cost. Yep, exactly. All right, let's talk a little bit about this Zeke Elliott case. I know it's a big flip from talking about raising money for people who need it to now talking about a court case, but that's kind of where we are. Gf some the unsay it's no, well, it's just it's the perfect description of this job and this team and this beat. Because like I left the stadium, I was

walking out of the stadium. I didn't take the buses, so I drove myself, so I was a little bit behind everybody else and I'm walking out. I was kind of on like a high, like man, like we did a cool thing. This is you know, players did this, and Jerry gave that and we're helping out and this is important. And I didn't even get to my car before like the first trickles of news started to come about Kia Roberts and you know, she recommended no suspension. So I'm reading that and I'm like, oh god, what

does this mean? Where are we going from here? And I went and got dinner and by the time I got home, that's when you know, that's when you're seeing about you know, Zeke's lawyers filing in East Texas court for a restraining oar. I'm just like, my good feeling from the telethon lasted for about fifteen minutes before it's like, all right, shift gears here and get back into the nitty griddy and whatever this whole thing is. So that's

exactly right. I know, Nick and I were on the bus together and Hammer was on there as well, and I remember I gave Nick my phonus it read this and it was the article where they were talking about some of the allegations that we'll get into a little bit here, just to kind of lay it out. Yesterday

they completed the appeal process. They had the Zeke and his representatives appealed the suspension, the six game suspension that completed yesterday, and then after that last night, the nfl PA filed a petition in federal court in Plano, Texas, um to prevent the suspension and or expected to file a temporary restraining order. And they did it based upon some language that they use where they said that he

was deprived of fundamental fairness. Um. Basically, I guess the question for you guys is what was the What was the NFL really alleging here was was fundamentally unfair? Because obviously the NFL went through its process, it took thirteen months, they handed down a six six game suspension. What did they say was fundamentally unfair? Well, I honestly, like I'm always hesitant on these things to talk about when because when we haven't really been digging deep and looking at

both sides of it. But I think what what they were saying is is that if you're going to allow Zeke to and you're going to basically put him there to testify, but then not not say that the witness could testify, not put Roger Dell on there um as well as Basically what they're saying is is we we're okay with hearing one side, but we don't want to put that argument up against any others because that's a good way to compare you know, you know, black white

right wrong. I mean you you can look at these two things and go, you know what, Uh, that doesn't really hold up next to what Zeke is saying, but if you don't put her over there, then it's hard it's harder to do that. And on top of that,

and you know, that's it's two separate stories. One is that they're you know, filing for a restraining order, and then the other one is the one that came out ESPN and to be four star Telegram our friend Clarence Hill, Kia Roberts, who's yeah, go Q cool um, Kia Roberts, who's a a big just going we're going here, a big part of this whole investigation. Uh, the only person who spoke to Tiffany Thompson in person and examine you know, directly, you know, cross examined her and checked her story out.

She came back from all of that with a recommendation of no suspension. And then when you know, if you remember back to August eleventh, when we were on that conference call with the NFL's panel, which she was a part of, but she was not allowed or not invited to the meeting with Roger Goodell where discipline was settled on.

And so more so than anything, the way I interpreted is that that specifically that big red flag, you know, on top of the fact that you know, Tiffany Thompson wasn't allowed at the appeal, which that standard operating procedure, but still in a case where personal testimony is basically the main evidence, Zeke's camp was obviously peeved that she couldn't be part of that, and then to later find out that the only person that has directly spoken with

her wasn't a part of deciding on this, they're basically saying this is bull and not only that her recommendation of no suspension was obviously completely disregarded when they came up with a six games right exactly, and so we were talking about that right before we came on. Is you could argue that it is. And so much of this is about strategy and posturing. You know, obviously stuff like this gets leaked to the press for a reason because you're trying to put pressure on to get the

result that you want. You want the public to know about these things so that you can hear this conversation and generate this buzz. That's certainly part of it. On top of that, you're sitting here, so you're trying to put pressure on them to get the decision you want. But also, as I said, I mean when you see when you see this stack of and their own language

says that unfair factors working against you. They're gonna do what they can to challenge any ruling that they get that isn't a vacation of the suspension in my opinion, I mean, maybe I'll be wrong, but the way that I perceive this whole thing is they're throwing the gauntlet down and saying, we're fighting this as long and as hard we have to fight it. We're not going to take anything less than zero games. See, I don't I don't know if I agree completely with that. I kind

of think I agree with you from the standpoint. I do believe that that filing this petition was a preemptive strike number one, because they wanted to already get it out there before. Because if you remember, in the Brady case, the NFL sued Brady back, that Brady suited the NFL, the NFL suit him back. So I think this was kind of a preemptive strike in the same kind of way. But I also think it was as you said, it's trying to put some public pressure on the NFL to say, hey,

we want the public to know all these things. That kind of stack up that suggest that this was an unfair situation and an unfair ruling, So that hopefully as knowing that the NFL has a responsibility to its constituents, which are as fans, knowing that those people understand all these other factors, that now when you make your appeal ruling, it should factor that in because the people know now, right, And so I think that's more of what it is. And I would suspect and I'm interested hear what you

guys think. It sounds like, Dave, you've already kind of said what you think on that. But I think that if you get if it came back to a game or two games, I wonder at least if Zeke is willing to say, Okay, I'll step back, I'll take that game or two games, get this thing over with, even though he may still maintain he did nothing wrong. Okay. And see now we've flipped from where we were a

month ago, right. I was the one that was saying that, and you were saying, if you're accused of something as heinous as this and you know you didn't do it, fight it, fight it, fight it. I was saying. I was saying. We were also talking about should versus would. I'm saying, well, I think he would. Personally, if it were me, I would fight it just because I would want to regain my name. But I get what I'm thinking now is and sure, I mean, strategy is definitely

part of it. But if you feel strongly enough about it to preemptively put stuff in court that and we have this on paper, I mean, I'm taking them at their word. Let's just assume this is true that the only person that inventor, that spoke to the accuser in person recommended no discipline if you have that as your

trump card, and I assume. And Clarence wrote that was a big part of Jerry's confidence in this whole thing in the first place, was that this high ranking NFL official he felt confident, was going to recommend no discipline. If you've got that in your back pocket, maybe you fight it anyway because you're like, you got nothing to stand on other than what the CBA allows you to do, which obviously that is problematic, Right, that is problematic. But I guess it just depends on how strongly you feel

that this whole thing isn't worth it. Yeah, I just can't imagine the NFL handling this any worse than they have because when you think about how long they drew this out and then they made the decision when they did, kind of and then now trying to put some pressure that he's got to hurry up and make this decision on this appeal. I mean, you knew that Zeke was

going to appeal this. They knew that for them to now kind of put pressure because the season's about to start, and this whole time that they investigated, they when they finally gave that letter to say why we suspended him, and then let left out key parts of the investigation, of the investigation that of their own investigator, They left her out, they left her recommendations out, and then now kind of want to want to force the issue because the season's about to start. We got to get this

appeal process done. I mean, I give credit to Zeke's lawyers for moving quickly on this and getting a lot of information, but I mean, I just think the NFL drugged this out and then tried to kind of hope

for a quick resolution. And now it's going to be a real mess because the seasons starting and he's now he's gonna have to He's probably gonna get to play this first game, because then I don't think they're anywhere close to having a decision being made that unless unless, I mean unless what you just described happens and they give him two and he decides to just take it and call it a draw, then I'm yeah, I mean he's gonna play. Yeah, I play the whole season, and

we'll be talking about this in February. That's honestly where I think this is going. Yeah, because I honestly I don't think the NFL. I don't. It's hard for the NFL to make a to now make a ruling that decreases it significantly. They knew all They've said, they knew all this information. Like that's what came out this morning. There was a report that said and the NFL said in response to all this that they knew this information. It was in a situation where the recommendations of the

investigator were held from the commissioner. The commissioner was well aware of what the investigator recommended, So without any new information to go from six to two games or six to one games, like, how does that make sense? I think the NFL, in the same way they did with the Brady case. I think they look at it probably and say, hey, if we got to go to court, we gotta go to court. And what they're still going to use as their trump card is we collectively bargain this, guys.

And because we collectively bargain it, the Commissioner has full right and authority to be able to come to whatever conclusion he wants to come to and dole out whatever punishment he suits he seems he deems is necessary. And I don't know that the court it is necessarily going to go against that. I'm not super confident in most of what I'm saying because I'm not a lawyer. It's a lot of writing and legal jargon, and I'm a

dumb sportswriter. But if there's one thing I'm really confident in is that you can't underestimate the league's desire to protect itself, protect its image to an unalarmingly stubborn degree in my opinion to where yeah, I think they'll they'll fight this as long as they have to avoid the inference that they're wrong, incompetent, whatever other charge you want to lay at their feet. They're not going to let that slide. And they're not going to be intimidated by

Jerry Jones or Zeke or Tom Brady or whoever. We saw that with tom Brady. Yeah, Like, there's not a bigger name in the NFL than Tom Brady. And for them to drag that out as far as they did and to go the full length of it with it suggests to me that they're not going to be They're not going to be less prone to do that with Ezekiel Elliott and my personal opinion, and they care more about what they look like and how they're seen than really any of the actual mechanics of this or the

morality of it. That's what I think, and they so I expect them to fight it as hard and as long as they have to avoid looking stupid. Basically, this looks like the Mayweather fight to me, Mayweather and McGregor, because at first Mayweather's just kind of sitting there, he was taking the shots and he were kind of like, Hm, Wow, how's this going to go? Just kind of and then

he kind of started coming back. And then about the ninth or tenth round and you kind of started to see But if it would have gone longer, you never know, maybe maybe it would have gone the other way, So right now, Zeke's coming back here, Zeke's now got some some shots. He looks like he's in sort of control of this a little bit. But the end of like you just said, the NFL's not done. No one's waving the towel quickly on this one and saying, you know,

was what would have happened later? So I think that that, yeah, they he's got leverage right now and he's got a little bit of momentum, but this is back and forth

in the NFL's got something in their backpack. And then you go back to the whole case about Josh Brown and what happened to him and with him admitting what he did and he only gets a one game suspension, and you compare it to a sequel this whole deal, Like you guys have been saying, they can't not fight this because then again they look like they really messed

up and all that. But regardless of everything is whether can play the first week or not, it's still going to affect the team somehow because they're having to make cuts this Saturday tomorrow, so their cuts are gonna be based on you know, they still don't know what the outcome is gonna be and they still have to be able to cover that whole and depth. It's a totally valid point. This is just my opinion, and there's I think you're right, and this isn't over by a long shot.

But I'm more confident than I ever have been that he's he's playing. I agree with and so I don't even think there's this gray area where you got it like, well, how long is it going to be on the team, how long do we have to suspend him? Who do we keep? Who we cut? That's I don't even consider that an issue because I don't think the league is going to give them a satisfactory answer to the point

where they won't push this thing through to court. And therefore I expect him to be on the fifty three at this point in time, and so whoever you're getting rid of to make that work do it. But I don't even think of it as being that ambiggest because that's how strongly that I view that restraint, that everything Zeke's camp has done in the last twenty four hours, I view it as a very strong statement that they're

intent on him playing. This is a huge story in all of sports, and you think about what drives the NFL the most when it comes to money, Like, what's the biggest thing they've got financially that puts money in their pockets? TV? Okay, why do people watch? Why do you think people watched the games as much as they do? I mean there's interest in the league, fantasy football, fantasy football?

Who's the number one player that that could be? Seventy five percent of the interactions that I get on a daily basis about Zeke are more so from fantasy is easily a top three pick. Yeah, without the suspension, he is easily top three pick. And you're one and two picks are not doing anything? Right? Are not your top three? Two of the top because it can vary, I think those three y but yeah, two of your top three guys depending on your league, are there's a big clouds

a big cloud, right? Yeah? So is there a cloud around Bell? Didn't he He hasn't reported yet? Hasn't he apos report today? He reported reports? So he's supposed to have if he has reported. Your theory on that, if you missed all the camps. I don't mess with guys that missed all the camp just my thing because I've seen too many of them end up with hamstring or whatever. Don't make me talk about fantasy football, all right. I'm just saying I sa away from those guys. But you're right,

there's a big cloud. So yeah, just saying that this isn't a Dallas thing and the Giants. It's not just Giants and Cowboys looking at this. There's there's a guy in Sacramento, California, right now who's got a fantasy league and he's got the number one pick. You know, unless they're unless some people have already done it seventy seventy five to ninety five percent, and fantasy football players have

already drafted. And that's why I think one of the first three responses to Schefter's tweet about the I keep wanting to call it a suit. It's not a suit, but the restraining order. You know, he posted the PDF of this thing that they sent into the court. The third guy to respond is like, fantasy bargain, baby, I got him in the third round. And there we go that.

I was just about to say that there are a ton of people out there that took a flyer and said in the second in the third round, I'm gonna take a gamble that he's ready to play, or that he doesn't play and doesn't miss six games. I'm one of those people that are now sitting there looking like, man, take this thing the court, take it to court. I wanted him playing a nerve. I'm just saying, like, there

are a bunch of people out there like that. You're right, Nick, that drives a lot of the interest around the NFL is fantasy football, and so there are a bunch of people who are sitting with interest, right, you know, the not only fantasy football, but betting them. Right, you can bind those two audiences. Yeah, buddy, what do you say

is that? Is that sixty five seventy What do you think that sixty five seventy percent of your of your watching fan base is either betting or playing fantasy football? Would you guess the amount of people who are like seriously more invested in the NFL and like live and die with it with having no money on the line, is like fewer than fifteen percent? Yeah, like getting which I would argue though, like that fifteen percent are the people that listen to our shows and go to our website.

I mean, like we they're just hardcore diehards. We deal in diehards, but seventy five to ninety percent of just the average league fan base, the three hundred million people that watch the NFL every year, the investment pority of those people have money invested Monday Monday night football games. The at ups have really been horrible lately. I mean the last couple of years that they don't really have

great matchups. But you've probably got a fantasy player on their receiver and you're down by twelve points and you you want him, just just throw the ball to Julio Jones. That's it. That's all I care. But I don't care who wins or whatever. Ye people, people, a lot of the betters put their money on that last game just because it's something to watch. Let's go ahead and take our first break. When we come back, we will have

more talk. We'll have a little bit more well and get to maybe on this topic, but we'll definitely move on to talk a little bit about even though the Cowboys didn't play the Texans last night, we want to throw out some names and some guys that could have used that game, players that might be on the bubble coming this weekend. When when cuts come tomorrow, we'll talk about that when we come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. We the entertainment loving people, demand

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Back to the Break, Welcome back. It's the second segment of the Break. We were locking the st WBC mortgage studios at the Star. We're heading into week one of the NFL season, and I'm so excited that we're done with preseason and done with training camp and it's about time to are You're about to have an expletive in there somewhere. You kind of made like a it's okay, No, I didn't kind of made like a no, not at all. No, sorry, I was just saying that I was saying, I'm happy

that we're done with preseason and training camp already. This has been the longest, seemingly longest preseason in training camp. Forty days. Yeah, it just seemed very long. Forty days from that from the time we landed in California until the last practice, which we'll call last night, forty days. Yeah, you got Lucky, you got Zeke, you got Demontre, Moore, Canton. I had forgotten about Lucky, you got the Tyrone and Hitchins injuries. Like, I feel like we've played a season

and this season hasn't started. It's unbelievable. Yeah, and then you had this last week, which was again mother Nature. But yeah, oh and I forgot. Yeah, the Texans come in practice here and kind of figuring out whether we're going to actually have a game here, and it's just, I don't know. Just the whole thing was kind of a fitting wrap up to what has been an extremely crazy and unpredictable preseason and training camp for the Cowboys. But now we get into some football and we'll head

into Week one next week. Let's go ahead and move on and talk a little bit about that non game last night. The Cowboys instead of having the game because the Texans obviously had an opportunity to go home, and rightfully so, they should have gone home. At that point, they canceled the game and instead we had the telethon. But as a part of the telethon, there was also a practice for the younger guys, the guys that probably would have played, definitely would have played in that final

preseason game. Talk to me, and I'll let each you guys kind of talk, but talk to me about a guy or two that you think really could have used that game, or that's sitting on the bubble that really is going to need that's gonna can garner some serious consideration as to whether he's on this team or not

on this team come tomorrow. How about Selfishly, I'm really happy that they that Noah Brown didn't have to play another game because, like, because all he could do is hurt himself in my opinion, and litter either literally or figuratively. Because I think he's on the team right now, I think he played well, He's played well throughout the preseason. They put him in with the starters against the Raiders. He I think he's the sixth receiver on this team. But if he goes out and just stinks up the

joint against the Texans. I don't maybe I don't know. Maybe they changed the conversation. So I was like, yeah, you just you just stay over here and don't do anything else, don't put any There's a young player on this team that is reading these stories or listening to it in the locker room and says, you mean Zeke may not get it's suspended, like yeah, like that's awesome. And it could be Noah Brown, who would be like that's great, Buckeye. Well someone's getting cut because of this.

Some player is gonna get released because Zeke is now could be on the roster because I don't think it's gonna be a running back. I don't think they would do that because of all these things that are up in the air. So it's just somebody down the roster. We're gonna go lighter at linebacker. Maybe it's a Nazache, maybe it's Noah Brown, maybe it's a Marquez White. But there's somebody out there that's gonna feel the ramifications of this, and I think it could be Noah Brown. You gotta

go along at running back. Maybe you're not going as long as a receiver. I don't know. You know, one of the things that's interesting to me about just a guy like Noah Brown. I wonder, I know, we're around here and so we see practice every day. I wonder if they're you know, I don't know fifteen of the thirty two teams have a Noah Brown. Yes? Or is it very common? Is Noah Brown a very common guy?

A really good guy from the standpoint of a rookie, a guy that comes in his first camp and can make it, you know, make you say, wow, that was a prey the nice thing that he just did. But I'm looking at a team like the Seahawks, and they got their reports out there that that Curse who's been with them now I guess probably four years or so. I would yes, more than that, I think he's a guy that they got kind of they're waving out for from trades, and it's like, that's a Noah Brown type guy, right.

Are those guys pretty plentiful so that maybe you could get a guy like Noah Brown onto your practice squad. You're saying a good player like I don't think Jermaine Curse and Noah Brown are like similar actual no no, no, no, no, no, okay, I'm saying from the standpoint of their quality of players. Right. I said that back earlier in training camp. Is you spend so much time around these guys you kind of can't see the forest for the trees, Like you really

can't get them to the practice squad. You just think there's no way you can get him. Sure, but when you the day you think that's gonna happen is the day he gets snatched up when you cut him. I mean, you have to be open to that possibility. If you're gonna cut him, only one team wants has to want him, right, right, if you're absolutely if you're absolutely just dead set like we can't risk it, then the only the only thing

you can do is keep him, Which you're right. I think pretty much every team has a guy like that. But I've just been not just by what I've seen, but the skill not to the point I was trying to make. He's not Jermaine Curse because Jermaine Curse isn't six two and a half two hundred and thirty pounds. I mean, he's got measurables that don't come along all that often. But Jermaine Curse has actually made some plays

in this like he's made some plays. Your main curse would be the hero of Super Bowl forty whatever it was forty nine. Run the ball? Had they run the ball at the one? I mean that nobody remembers that catch. Yes, no it was a it was a heck like nobody remembers that pitch. So yeah, he's great. Whatever. I just I like Noah Brown. I think he's gonna make the team. Whatever, get off my back. I think the guy that I

think the guy that could have used the game. Oh and he might be okay anyways, but I think Lewis Neil a game like that where he's gonna play a lot, and he could have made a few tackles there. He could have made some sacks. Tackle behind the line of scrimmage. You know, there are two spots opening for the defensive line, and Taffer just doesn't feel like he wants to take one of them. So, you know, I think that there's you got to get somebody in there, Joey Ivey, Lewis Neil,

because he's got position flex. I think that that, you know, he has a shot. But every guy that gets cut, I guarantee they're gonna go the you know Microsoft Excel and sort by defensive end defensive tackle, and they're gonna look at all of them, and I have a feeling that some of them are going to be better than Joey Ivy and Lewis Neil, And I think that that's a classic case where the fifty three will come out on Saturday and it'll be final for less than twenty

four hours. And maybe Lewis Neil makes the team on Saturday and he's not on it by Monday morning, and every single year it will it will happen one to three guys who are not on this team now will be on the final fifty three. Sunday is a very underrated day about it's, you know things, guys that are getting claimed. Him to defensive Defensive line is a space that I'm looking at. We always say final roster, right,

it's the farthest thing from it. I mean, if you want to get real meta, it's never final because how many transactions do they do during the course of the year. But back in I mean back into the D line, back into the linebacker depth chart is a place that I'm looking maybe offensive line, but I kind of doubt it. I know, I think we've had that argument before. Noah Brown Emmit Cleary, Mark Nasacha, Marquez White, Robert Blanton, Robert Blanton and uh, you know, not Tapper, He's gonna make it.

But but uh, you know, Louis Neil, Joey, Iby. I mean this it's is More. Does More have something? Well, I guess no. No is Demontre Moore, guy that you think is on that bubble. You think he's clearly on the team. Well, he won't be on the team because he's suspended. Obviously, we I think we talked about this last anything with him. He is he if he was not suspended, he is a stone cold lock for me, Like,

I agree with that, not even up for debate. And I think they're gonna be counting the minutes until he gets back. That's how good he's been during the preseason. So he goes straight to reserve suspended. And yeah, I think I'm not one of the two Irving and More. One of them is allowed at the facility during his suspension and one of them's not, I think, But I don't remember which is which. Probably I would think More, Yeah, I think too. I don't know, but either way, you'll

get him back in time for week three. And I think whoever. You know they claim somebody or maybe you keep maybe you don't bother getting somebody on the defensive line because you know you're cutting Lewis Neil. When de Montremore comes back in two weeks, I mean, it's all it's all up in the air. What is the deal with Duke Thomas. He sustained the injury. He was having a great camp, having a great preseason, and then the injury comes, which is what you hate to see for

young guy who's trying to make a team. This is going to be a tricky one for the cowboy because you could do an injury settlement and just let him kind of go. You pay him for however many weeks he's going to be hurt, which he's got a high ankle sprain and a sprain himcl so, but the problem about that is you do injury settlement, you're the last team that can get him back. He's got to clear through waivers and then like I think, there's like a four to six week period and then you can get

him back. So that's not the route. If you like him, you could put him on injured reserve and probably just keep him there. He's not one of my guys, I'd bring back after eight weeks. You know, you can only

do that twice Rico. That might happen with Rico, so I could see him going to injured reserve and just probably clearing waivers, you know, and then you've just reverts to your back to your IR and he stays there and there's no harm in that, right to me, I think that's the best cases he doesn't play full for him. I'm saying from the standpoint of the team, if you want to be if you think he's a young guy that can develop into something, then you and you want

to keep him. This is your way to keep him on the roster without how to affect your roster. Right, absolutely, but I it sucks being a not great player in the NFL, like if you're expendable, and honestly, if if you know and I don't know the severe severity of Rico's concussion, maybe he does need the extra time. But again, if he's a guy that winds up on IR mainly as roster management, then he's not practicing for six to eight weeks. It's the same thing and it's effective from

a team standpoint. But Duke Thomas won't be able to get better for a year and he won't be able to go somewhere else and get better, and that sucks for him, and I get why the Cowboys do it,

But it also depends on how long he's gonna be injured. Yea, if this injury is gonna be I don't know how long it's gonna be up throwing out a number, so don't quote me on this, but if it's a six week injury, if you're gonna go six weeks into the season with this, then you know, maybe it is worth it, just because you know it's going to take up half to almost half, right, and high ankle sprain is one thing, but mcl sprain, I mean he might he might actually

need some time with that, which in that case it's not that big of a deal. But I tend to have a more or sympathy for the struggling player who's trying to make it over the multi billion dollar corporation that's just managing its roster. Yeah, I get that, but it also I would say this though, it is a good advantage for him because I don't know that teams would be rushing out to pull him up to put him on their team. He's got, you know, an injury

that's that's serious. You know, So if he stays here, he gets the rehab that he needs here, he still can be working out and getting stronger. Right, and then once you know, once you get to the offseason and he starts back into the offseason program and works toward possibly making the team next year. So it's not all bad for the player in that kind of situation, if that's what they deem true, right situation or the right

way to go on this. And then in January or February, whenever the season ends whatever, not trying to say anything, but whenever the season ends, then we're like, yeah, they got Duke Thomas. He'll be back with an aber, he'll be better, he's expisode excited. And then the off season hype train continues again, and we started all over next year. There we go just something you're about to say, it might just be on the team. It's just depending on how they do it, and he might just be on

their ire. And then he's just he's yeah. And that's also the question I was going to ask too, is let's assume that that they do decide that this injury is not a long term win and because of what he's done so far that they wanted just making a part of the team. Does that mean Mark was White is now out of the picture or do they keep Can they have do that room for Mark Quez? White makes the team? Okay? I mean, but I think he makes the team because Duke is in. Yeah, I agree.

I thought Duke's spend better. But I think Mark Quez is gonna make it. M The only reason he wouldn't is if they decide that Robert Blanton needs to be on the team right now for special teams purposes and all that. But I I always forget about him. I think seven cornerbacks, they would go seven cornerbacks. That would only be six. I think it's just six? Am I counting wrong? Yeah? Ten guys Anthony Brown, three, Rick carrolwn Lewis Scandrick, Duke Thomas and Mark was White. We're talking

about a situation where Duke Thomas Thomas is not. But that's why I was just asking that. My first question was, I thought you were saying that what if they decided they just wanted to go ahead and put him on the roster. No, no, no, that's not what I say. You wave him injured he reverts to your ir he stays here, he rehabs, he does things. When the season's over, he's on your team, just like if another guy gets hurt and he's on injured reserve for the year. Right,

I got he's on your team. I thought you were saying, or the other option, just make him put him on the roster. No, okay, I got you. You don't think this, and you think this injury is enough to where they can't just put him on the roster. Yeah. Yeah, And he's not good enough to just do that. If he was Patrick Peterson, maybe you do that. Yeah. Not. So have we heard anything about a timetable on how long he's gonna be out? Sprain MCL and I'm frain MCL

has always been four to six. High ankle sprain can be anywhere between one week and a year, So I don't I don't really know. And that's that seems to be the going thing that comes to high ankle sprains. He's just never know. I've seen Patrick Crayton get a high ankle sprain on Sunday, play on the Thanksgiving Day game on Thursday. I've seen a guy get high ankle

sprain Week two and it bothered him. Next year camp, I was gonna say, Randy Gregory, you got a high ankle sprain in his first ever game and he missed like seven weeks. So you just never know. Depends on the position and all that. But I would think I've never covered an NFL receiver, But I would think if you're a cornerback in this league and you probably would need to healthy ankles to go cover these guys, maybe I would think maybe, right, he went to Texas, so

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break Welcome back. It's the final segment of the Break Black in SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star and we've been talking about the fifty three man roster we had. Dave was saying how much he really believes Noah Brown makes his team, And I assume Jerry was listening to the show because Jerry just commented on our station, or may be station one to five dout three. Maybe I think Noah Brown makes the team because I go looking for information and get informed opinions. First, I kind of

think the other way. I think Jary just heard Jones like that would be awesome. That would be I'm giving you a lot of credit here, that would be so cool. But Jared just basically said he thinks Noah Brown makes the fifty three. He said, yes, he thinks he's gonna make the fifty three. So your guy sounds like he's in. If that is the case, it would be the first time since twenty eleven that they bothered to carry six receivers.

So make sure what you guys do your fifty three man, Hey, pump the brakes, because I mean, i'd have to imagine he's a game day and active at least to start the season out. But most of the time, I'm just really intrigued by his skill set and I think it's a smart idea to keep him around because I think he's better than Andy Jones. Yes, better than Andy Jones

was at this time last year. I think he yes, because Andy Jones hit a brick wall and disappeared about halfway through camp, which no offense to him, but he kind of did the same thing again this year. And that's it's an interesting juxtaposition because the first two weeks camp it was like neck and neck, like highlight catch here, Brown here, Andy here, and like it was like, man, how are they going to decide between these two guys? And then like right around the Rams game, it started

just being Noah Brown, Noah Brown, Noah Brown. Where's Andy? He's hurt? Is he still hurt? Is he back from being hurt? He's back, but now he's not making plays. And actually I meant to say, you know, I felt like we were so wrapped up in the telethon last night, and for good cause, but the practice was still pretty enlightening.

Brian wrote a great notebook about it. It's on our site right now, and he was even you know, Andy dropped a wide open slant during eleven v eleven yesterday, and it's just kinda that's been a problem for him, whereas I mean, I think Noah Brown's gotten better as camp has gone on, which is impressive for a rookie. Lance Lenore there any shot. I mean, obviously he's an

Ambers guy. Last night he makes another like he's made several catches, and I I said this back, you know, a couple of weeks of maybe a week ago, that yeah, we we pound on him, and rightfully so about the you know, not catching punts like he just for some reason, she's having problems with that sometimes. But their day. I saw him a practice and he literally just stripped over himself, right.

But at the wide receiver position, when he's running routes and catching passes, he's made quite a few plays, and I think quite a few plays not only in preseason games, but even down to last night. They had a really nice play there. I don't know how long the pass, it's hard to tell when you're on the field sometimes, but it was down the sideline and he caught it in the end zone over double coverage. I mean, it

was a pretty remarkable throw, pretty more remarkable catch. And he's done that kind of thing throughout training camp in the preseason. Obviously, he's not gonna make this team. But I would think he's a guy that you definitely want to get onto practice squad. Right, there's awesome little hints that you can pick up if you pay attention. And last week when they were finishing well, Wow, Tuesday feels like it was a week ago, but or maybe it

was Monday. Either way, when they were practicing in the Star, they were doing scout team prep work for the Giants sports centers where they're really I'm sorry, you're right, Ford Center, excuse me. And they they gave out and they do this for opponents. They gave out jerseys with thirteen on him. They're simulating Odell Beckham and what he does in the Giants offense. They gave one of those jerseys to Lance Lenore and that to me signify of all the guys

they have, he most among non starters. He most represents what Beckham can do and his skill set and his speed and blah blah blah. And when you factor that in with the he's made plays, he can, he can return punts, do the imaginary quotes he is capable of apparently doing that maybe whatever. He's a versatile guy and they like his talent. I think he's a good bet to be on the practice squad if they can make him, get him there. If they can get him, he can

which I'm not worried. I'm worried about not worried about it. I'm worried about Noah Brown getting to the practice squad. I'm not not worried about Lance. All right, all right, good, let's get some questions. You guys can call us numbers two one four eight seven two twenty one oh two. Again it's two one four eight seven two twenty one zero two. And we can also get questions on Twitter at Cowboys break Amber. What do we have over there? And we were talking, well, you guys were talking earlier

about Louis Neil. Do you guys think that he could possibly turn into a younger version of Jack Crawford on this defensive line if he makes the roster. Jack Crawford is so big, I mean and versatile. Yeah, he's versatile. But this guy could be versatile. But he's so much size. Yeah, well no, because he doesn't he can't probably play like the one technique he can't, you know, I mean, anybody that can. This guy could go from one to three to the outside. So and he was as big as

a house. So I don't Jack Crawford is I don't think he's a great comparison to Lewis Neil because of he can do more things and he can hold up a little bit more. We don't really know if Lewis Neil can kind of hold up. I don't know who I would compare Lewis Neil too, because you don't see very mean an NFL d lineman who are as short as him, and the ones that are are much bulkier. I mean, he's five eleven, two hundred and there have been seven have been bigger linebackers in the league than him.

I mean you walk around, you walk around here, and you were around NFL players, and I mean, you know, you know, you're like this dude, is he's a football player, like and this is I'm not trying to knock Lewis Neil, but and if he's playing linebacker, you'd probably say, Okay, he's a nice sized linebacker. He's just he's playing defensive line. He is not physically awe inspiring the way that you know, like a DeMarcus Lawrence or you know who Dez Bryant.

You're just like, whoa Lewis Neil, You're like, yeah, he looks like a fairly normal looking person all things considered. So I mean, I think he's got a good bet to make the team, but I don't Yeah, I don't know. But he's also that guy that that's getting a spot, and when these other guys that are on suspension are coming back, he's probably going to be one of the

guys that's on the bubble. I think. Luckily for them, I think that plays in their favor because he's a guy that I think might clear waivers because again he's he's not too too impressive. I mean, his tape's good, but I wouldn't be surprised if they could get him onto their practice squad. Because you've got two guys that are suspended at that position, I think that you only really keep eight. I mean, I think whoever makes the team will probably be active. I can't imagine going nine

right now and having one of those guys inactive. So you need to keep eight players that are going to play for you. So I think that that being said, there's probably a better defensive end slash tackle that as on the waiver wire than Lewis Neil. I agree with that, so there's a chance he might be one of those guys that makes it to the initial cut. But yeah, and if I remember correctly, Jack Crawford was a guy that they may be brought in the day after the cuts. Yeah,

they got him from Oakland. I think what was that have been twenty fifteen or fourteen? I think yeah, because he went to London. Yes, yeah, yeah, I think it was right then I could Lewis and I could see a scenario where Lewis Neal makes the fifty three on Saturday, gets cut on Sunday, and is still here on Monday

as part of the practice squad. And that happens every year the week That's how this weekend goes, right, he got it would be much better for him if it's Tuesday speaking be on the monster by Tuesday he makes a game check. Yeah, could have a great Wednesday. Point. All right, let's let's take a phone call from Gerald and Baton Rouge? Gerald, what up Aaton Rouge? What up? Hey was going on? How you doing? No? Pretty good? I'm going to first of all say blessing to everybody

in South Houston. Hope they can get back together and get get things in order. Thank you. My question is, you know, being that Cooper Rush Dunn a lot, but over the preseason and Kevin he probably done a little more than killing more. Would it be too much to, you know, bring him to the practice squad instead of putting him on a regular fifty three and save that roster spot for something that we really need, like like

you said, another defensive vironment or another linebacker. What's another cornerback? And that's my real question. I ain't up and listen to you guys, all right, thanks, just I don't know if he has a full understanding of how that works. And then I think ideally if you could guarantee the Cowboys that Cooper Rush makes it to the practice quad,

they would do it. Explain that for other people because I've I've gotten a couple of questions on Twitter that made me think that people don't understand he was talking about he was talking about Cooper Rush. I thought he was talking about Kellen mar I thought he was talking about Cooper. It sounded I thought he meant Callen Mark. But let's talk about we can talk about both scenarios. Talk about it first, kind of what you release a player?

You release all of these players thirty seven guys are going to get released or they're going to get removed from the roster one way or another. They either they go to suspension, they go to they injured, reserve, waived, injured, you know what other kind of lists, retirement, who knows, or just outright cut, just cut. Thirty seven guys are going to remove from getting removed from the roster. They're going to clear waivers. They go through the waiver process.

It takes twenty four hours. That's why other teams start taking these players. If you don't know, that means it's literally just an order. It's the same draft order. It's the same order as the draft all thirty two teams. If you have not accrued four NFL seasons, you have to go through this waiver and a team can just claim you. So if the Jets want you and they're the first team to put in a claim, that's where you go. You don't have a say in it. You're

a Jet. If the Cowboys are the first team to put an acclaim on you all the way back at twenty eight, you're a Cowboy and you don't have any say in it, and that's where you go. Only veterans become pure free agency. So Cooper Rushes, if he gets released, then teams are going to look at it and go, is he better than our quarterback? He's done some good things than our backup, so you know, they could probably sign him to the roster and so he doesn't clear

the waivers. Kellen Moore same thing now. He I don't think he's got four crude seasons there. He's been around, still practice squad eligs, still eligible for the practice squad. He'd have to clear through waivers. I think you have a better chance for him to clear waivers. So if you're going to cut one of your quarterbacks and put him on the practice squad, I think Kellen Moore is a better candidate for that because Scott Lenahant has been the biggest cheerleader for him, and I don't know who

else has been. You know, he's been on the practice squad for years in Detroit and no one got him, no one poached him. So I don't know if anyone really has any interest. I have to believe at least a handful of teams would put an acclaim on Cooper rush if not, if not half to think about all the teams that are strap for I mean for Kellen Moore, though none I don't think I like that idea. Put him Kellen Moore. Yeah, I think I think I can speak for all four of us that we all like

that idea and can help. You can still help Dak, You can help any of these young guys here on game day and do the things you need to do run scout team. So let me bring that around, because it's the thing I always say is I'm not trying to tell you what I would do. I'm trying to tell you what I think they're going to do. I would still at this point, whether you agree with it or not, be fairly surprised if Kellen Moore's cut. I

agree with you. I think they're going to roll with three whatever, whatever reasoning, whatever you want to say, however much it might aggravate you, That's what I think they're gonna do. And if they don't, and maybe this whole thing with Zeke where we it looks like he's gonna be on the fifty three, maybe that kind of forces their hand. If they don't keep Kellen Moore, I think it's because they had a long, hard conversation about it today and tomorrow. Like I that'll be the last spot

that they make a move if they decide to. I really think that it would. It would be a tough conversation for them to just know this. When we do this, the thing in the studio with Brian's gonna be up at the board and we're gonna be talking about it. Kellen Moore is gonna get that little dot whatever that they're gonna push, and he will make the team. But that's only because you know, that's just because of what

we think is going to happen. I know I'll fight as long as we have time for it that he shouldn't be He should not be on this roster, should be And that's gonna be a big distinction. Are you guys doing this based upon what you think they're gonna do, or are you doing this basis on this is your fifty three man roster. I think we have to do it based on what we think they're going to do, because that's I mean, it would have different you know,

who care? Who cares about what I think they're gonna bring or what I think they should do, because I don't make that call right but I would be he would kill him. Moore would be a surprise cut for me, even though I personally would cut him if it were up to me. I don't think they will all right. Let's second of the question from Twitter, any timetable for Cheeto and Jordan Lewis returns. What are your y'alls estimate? Asked to where when we will be seeing them playing

another thing lost in the shuffle. They did practice last night. They had a full I mean it was padded and everything. It wasn't Did they practice fully well? I meant the team, but oh, Cheto Bay and Xavier Woods both and Ryan Switzer for that matter, all did real deal practice, which is a great sign for them. Jordan Lewis suited up and did a few things, but he's still not doing the competitive He didn't do one on ones, he didn't do full team, so he I mean, I gotta consider

him a week one inactive. I would see. I would consider him to be inactive until somebody gets hurt or somebody's forced into Yeah. I just don't see unless he's gonna go on in prag when he finally does return to practice, I don't think him's just gonna be lighting it up where he's just gonna all of a sudden be you know, active over the guys that have been

on the fifty three or on the forty six. Can he can a guy like him that's a rookie work his way on to special teams once you get to that point, like let's assume that he's not really healthy to do a lot until to do all of that until next week. Let's say if he's just able to do it at that point, kind of already know what they want on special teams. I don't think he can show the coaches yet what he can do on special teams.

So is it tough for him to be it because that's the way that he could get active, is if he can play special teams. But I don't know if he has the time to show them then at this point of the season. You're right, I mean, now, as a cornerback, you can be one of those guys that that that you know, blocks the gunner. But I think that he's gonna need and they happen, that happens. Injuries will definitely happen here at cornerback, and so he'll get

an opportunity. It's just that I don't I don't necessarily see him just whenever he's healthy, he's ready to go because he hasn't proven special teams wise, and that he can play this league. Get yeah, well sorry, well but it is a really I mean the other three Woods, Cheeto,

and Switzer. I think it's a fantastic sign that they're practicing a full ten days before the opener, which they'll have every I don't know if you can get him on the forty six, but they'll have every opportunity to at least show something before and for Cheeto and Xavier, both of them they practice for right good amount of training and that works in their favorite They're not starting from scratch like Jordan is. I can't see Woods making the forty six man roster the active game day active.

I could see him being inactive for the first game. But Jock me Cheto, I think could you know, he gives you a little bit more. It's good for all three of them that they're able to work with this much time until the game. All right, that's a rap, guys. We uh, we got the talking Cowboys guys out there ready to jump on the air. They're gonna be coming

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