The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, December sixth, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen, episode number seventy two. Welcome to
the latest edition of The Break. We are live from that WBC Morgat studios at the Star, coming off a little bit of a weekend here where we didn't have a football we had to cover, got to watch a little football. So we got a lot of talk to do today about this team. We're gonna actually take this data to count today. Innimi actually to take a lot of questions. I have some questions lined up for this group that we'll talk about. We'll take some questions from
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advantage of it. We'll try to answer as many questions as we can over these next couple shows. Uh, Nick, give me a seventy two. I was gonna give you the translation of what that really meant, that we're taking calls. I mean, I didn't really feel like doing a rundown. Not true, because I got a list of questions here that I got. There's only one seventy two. It's two, it's all Jones. Is there only one to No, there's probably Travis Frederick. I think we're seventy two. Maybe in
Travis will take offense to that. He did good, all right, he took offense to a lot of thing. That's good. He's a great center, a great player. They need him, they miss him. But Tutam Jones seventy seventy two, I mean that he played for fifteen years. Let me ask you a question, as a guy that covered a deep cover. But you watched the Cowboys a long time? Was he like for for an outside, I wasn't a Cowboys fan. Was he ever as big as his persona? Because of course as a as a non Cowboys fan, you hear
two Tall Jones, he's big. You know, you always thought, oh, two Tall Jones, Was he ever that good? No? Now I think I think if his name was Ed Jones, I don't think he I do, And I thought the same thing about me and Joe Green, and then no, that's not that's not He was awesome. He was awesome. Joe. Yeah, yeah, shout out to heck Ma Harrison, who's related to me and Joe Green. Yeah, I'm sure people know that. Uh, two Tall Jones. I think he was the other side
of Harvey Martin. Harvey Martin was better. He was tall, sixty nine, it's tall. And he had a cool name. Yeah, it's cool and all that. And I think he was a really good player, many three Pro Bowls. But I think you know his longevity he played and you know it was number one pick. I don't know if he ever lived up to that, But I don't know. I mean seventy he's seventy two. Tristan Hill's also seventy two. Let's go, let's get back. He's back, and oh yeah he is. He's one of the guys. He left again
and he came back. A lot of stuff happened last week, A lot of stuff. This too much stuff happening with this team. I'm actually looking forward to this week. You get hopefully, hopefully you got coaches all back, you got players all back. I heard you say this morning on the radio, Nick, this might be the healthiest they've been all season. Injury if yes, if if there are no
more COVID cases, A big testing day. Although today tomorrow Wednesday, Right, it's it's ten am, knocking on all the wood around me. But I think if something ridiculous was gonna pop off, it would probably be in the news cycle by now. Well, but I'm not thinking about that so much. I'm thinking about you know, guys get a weekend where they don't
have to play football. Oh for sure, they do a little traveling, and you exposed somewhere you know still is so it's so it's certainly that's that's the part you gotta be worried about throughout the week. Come back this next few weeks, just kick ass completely and then I'll be like, Yep, never doubted them, not a single time. At least you're self aware. I want to know if you say the other way, if it goes the other way, what are you saying? Because this is gonna get real interesting.
They got some division, start throwing names and who we're gonna fire this year. I mean, if they keep win, if they win, you know, reel off a few more wins, then then the narrative is going to be, well, they won't win the super Bowl because they can't win in AFC, but but they can beat everybody else. Yeah, well, we'll see what all happens. We're actually gonna save the talk of the rest of the NFC till tomorrow. There was some interesting things that happened this weekend. We'll get into
some of that tomorrow. But I wanted to hit some bigger picture questions today, and I'm gonna start with some questions I have you guys will get some questions from our listeners here in a second. I want to start with a true false question. The defense is the most reliable unit on this team? True or false? True? True? I'm more reliable right now are you making a thing because I'm waiting. I'm waiting for day and I want to see. I want to see. We're gonna get a
discussion here. False? False. I hate it's Monday. It's Monday morning after why the most reliable? What's what's reliable mean? Like reliable to not piss you off, Reliable to do their job, Reliable to be who you thought they were. That's okay, which, right, who did we think they were? Exactly right, that's exactly what we thought they were. Grating them on a curve right now? I think, yeah, we have thirty six points two weeks ago, That's what I'm saying.
They had an awful day against Vegas, not that long ago, ten days ago. Um reliable to me? I see it as who has been like most consistent throughout the whole season, been the team that you know kind of what you're gonna get. They've been solid. They're all the best defense in the NFL. But they given you enough for you to have your offense do what they need to do. Now is some of the offense who hasn't been able
to consistently give you what they need to give you. You You know what you're absolutely like I'm thinking through this live. This is where Rundown's come in handy. But now that I say that, I think you're right. I think I think you're right because really what they've played twelve games, and the defense more often than not, probably in ten of those twelve games, has done what they do, Like, they pretty reliably get picks, They pretty reliably hold people
below twenty four points. Even some of the uglier losses like Denver, it's not like the defense just got run out of the building immediately. I mean they didn't play well, but like Denver, they didn't get they didn't have a three score lead until like midway through the third right
like it was sixteen nothing. They were forcing them to kick field goals a little bit, whereas the offense is kind of I mean, no showed at least three or four times at this point, and recently that's it's all about recency, right, And even remember recently and even in the run of blowouts like the forty point games in September, you know, the Carolina game, the Giants game, I mean, the defense will scoring new points in that game in those games as well, So yeah, I think true still
hold them false, Yeah, but I mean it just goes to show this team can be really good. This could be this could be a team that you know can win, I mean, can can get to the super Bowl. It really can. Because if you're number one, if you got the number one offense in the NFL, and we're saying that the defense is more reliable, I think so I think they're still number one. They're I mean they're still up at the top of the list, and I mean they're right there, and you know that that just goes
to show. And I think a lot of it comes down to expectations. I mean we look at what we're expecting them to be and but I mean, you guys are right. I mean the defense has been I mean they get picked, they could, they could turnovers that they give opportunities for the offense, and the game that they've lost, the offense really didn't show out. So I think the answer is right is the answer is, yes, the defense is more reliable. The offense on their best day is
better than the defense on its best day. Yes, but it doesn't always happen. And let's not confuse with them with a team that is going to get carried where they want to go by right they're not, but but they they've they've surpassed any expectation you could ever say. And Michael Parsons just, I mean, he's he's just an animal.
And let's let's remember, let's remember they still have not played with their full compliment of parts, and and hopefully that comes this weekend, but they still haven't done that, and so to be playing as well as they are, again not perfect, but playing as well as they are with kind of having having to mix guys and figure out places for guys. You give them all their players at one time. Let's see how far they can go. Maybe they do become a defense that's even more reliable
than what we've seen so far. True. Their seventh and offensive efficiency right now, which is they were up in the top three before. But still explaining to people would offensive efficient just football outsiders DVOA. It's basically again explained to people what that is. I know, I know what you're talking about, but I get into analytics. Everybody doesn't.
It's explain DVOA is just a weighted term where they literally compare the success of every play that you run in a season up against the league standard and see how you fare. So like every time you're snapping the ball, how well do you do and it's there's no such thing as a perfect stat but it's just a reliable metric for how not only how well you move the ball, but how reliably you do it. There you go perfect.
All right, Let's move on to the next question. Michael Parsons is again true or false Michael Parsons should be defensive player of the year, should be or will be? Should be? Actually, yeah, I don't know the best player. I don't think he's not defensive player in the league. I don't think I don't think he's the best defensive player in the league. I'm sorry, I can't go there, and maybe that's just me being stuff right, No, I really which you can do? Now? Now, I'll say this
inside linebacker. I don't watch them all, but like I think I think he could be all pro I do I think he could be an all pro inside linebacker. I think Miles Garrett, though, is pretty damn good over there. Absolutely, when you start talking about defensive player of the the year, offensive player of the year, all of them are going to be really, really good. I guess what I get back to is everything that he's done this year. Yeah, I think that you can't just say he's just a
pass rusher. He's a lot more than that. So when you factor it all in, should he be defensive Player of the Year, I would I prefer to answer it this way, and I don't think he will be because there's too many things the question, there's too many things working against him. He's got a teammate. If here's your defensive Player of the Year, vote, who are you voting? Yeah, that's what That's what I know. Actually, can only mark I take the easy way out. I take the easy
way mark both and get it wrong. No, I give it to I'd have to go. Look, I either give it to t J. Water, Miles Garrett, and I give Mike a defensive Rookie of the year. It's just And that's that's why I say. That's what voters are gonna do too, what they do. But they're gonna say, we don't want you win, and you here though, and still give you your props. Yeah, and I don't think the likelihood is that he will win. I'm the question really is should he Is he in that category of player
where he should hear? Basically, I think serious content. I think I can speak for Nick here is that he's got a case. But you just feel weird saying it. You're just like, so he's Lawrence Taylor because he's the only other rookie to do it. Yeah, you want to put him in that category. Maybe you should, but maybe you do. You want to be the one that does it. Okay, if you're okay with that, that's fine. But those of us who grew the true false game for a second,
all right, say what you want to say. No, say what you want you want to say it. Well, I made the case last week. I said I cannot think of it. And I've been asking people, everybody I learnt across that we start talking about the Cowboys. I've asked from all the same question. Name a defensive player in the history of the NFL that's done all the things that this guy has done in his rookie year. I can't find one. I honestly can't find one. Get a pick he needs, he needs a pick, he needs to
hit for the cycle. Last week I was sitting on my desk and you, Derek, you were talking to Nick about Mica and you were like so excited you your voice hit like a high pitch and like, you know, when a teenager is going through that transition, a kid is transitioned. And I'm like, dang, I guess Derek is really excited when I get when I get passed, when I get real, I get real excited and I start talking fast and high voice goes up everything. But I
think this guy's that good. He really is that good, and I can't I can't find anybody to give me rationale for why he isn't as good as I think he is. Look, I'm okay with the idea if somebody can give me that rational I haven't be able to find it, right, Like everybody that I talked to there, like here's a question I can't really answer, and so I'm left to think that he may be the best.
So I don't know. Two guys that Dave just mentioned are guys on teams that are probably out of the playoff race or fighting for it right now, you know, and so wild cards. So you you you think, all right, well, who who is the top team? Like Who's and the Patriots are actually the top team in the AFC, which very quietly have a corner who's having a Diggs like season. By the way, that's true, that guy is J. C. Jackson. What does he have like one let one or two
less than I think? But they haven't played tonight, so you could know you could get there and then on the NFC, I mean, the Cardinals have the number one seed right thinks currently, so we have two lost. I don't know who the baker I mean, I don't know. I mean who's carrying those teams, That's what I'm saying.
So you know, Cowboys are right up there. You can you can make the case where I mean, five weeks ago, if you would have, say the Cowboys would have a contender for the Defensive Player of the Year, we'd be like, well Diggs must have ten eleven you think, you know, but he's he's not. I mean, I think people can see not see through digs, but they see that he's got some issues too. He makes picks. I'm not gonna sit here and call him Chris Carter. I'm not gonna
sit there there. All he does catch you know, he does get picks, like because that's pretty good. Yeah, but like he he's got some some things in his game that you can see why he was maybe you know he filled in the second round, but you can also see why he had first round grades because he can make plays. Yeah, I'll just put it this way. I think we actually answered a mail bag question about this today and what I said was, I don't think he'll win it, but I don't I no longer think that
that's a crazy thing to say. Well, he absolutely deserves to be in that conversation. His versatility is amazing. I just think the precedent is what's going to turn people off. They're like, are we really We're gonna put this guy in a conversation with Lawrence Taylor? And then you'd think he's got Rookie of the Year locked up right now. I can't. I'm sure there's somebody else having a decent season, but between how amazing my is and the Cowboys past
star brand power, he's already got that one. So I think people are gonna say Micah gets Rookie of the Year, what Garrett whoever gets Player of the Year, and we just we can just make it easy on herself. The blame brought us for that, You know that, Dave, Dave. I know it probably pisses you off that Dave does that, and I think it stems from brought us because brought Us didn't waste his time with stuff like that. He'd be like, if it's not gonna happen, why I'm I
gonna say argue about it? Will tell me all the time. So it's like, I'm not gonna talk about what I think. Yeah, doesn't matter. What I think is a what's gonna happen, which is which is fair too. It doesn't always make for you know, you want to have this radio kind of but that's like your opinion. I always offer my opinion. I just want to qualify. Yeh. Can't you just see brought Us sitting there at his feet up, like, what
are we talking about here? It's not gonna happen, and I gonna go to rookie in Okay, I'll tell you. I'll say this too though, especially this year, I was thinking about this on the drive to work. Just there's it feels like so much more season is left than there usually is at this point in December, even though it's just one more game in five game. I mean, if if Mica keeps up this pace, what he's got, I think it's five games in a row with a sack or at least four or five. Yeah, okay, do
the math on that. I mean, sixteen sacks, maybe throwing a forced fumble or an interception or defenses were talking quarterback pressures. He's got everything because because you're talking about breaking the record now ye yeah, Now the record for rookie sacks is fourteen and a half and somebody actually did this step remember we talked about it. I'm like, like, I think I saw where he ranks fifth and sacks in the NFL. He ranks ninety sixth in pass rush attempts.
That's a great stat So that's a great stat So yeah, I mean and then when he's not doing that, he's doing other things and he's I mean, which then then people arguable, why is he only ranked ninety sixth? And you know, like maybe you should be sending him right, It's like like a pinch hitter that like leads the league in homers. You wait, wait a second here, what
are we doing? Yeah? But I mean, honestly, you kind of have to you and I had to scout discussion of maybe a couple of weeks ago, like the what you got right now at linebacker? You kind I need him at linebacker when you get those pass rushers back. I think you got to use him at linebacker just because linebacker crew outside of him, it's not very good. Now,
in my opinion, I can't believe about that. I couldn't believe honestly that Layton vander esh had one tackle and zero solo tackles, just an assisted tackle for the game. Has a lineback has a linebacker? I mean, that's that's that's job number one. I mean at the actor, Broke Cox got a line I got a tackle the other week, and he's been on IR. I mean, I'm just saying, you get you get tackles if you're a linebacker. Can we talk about him real? We're gonna talk about him.
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should have a pretty good idea. We're past thanks again, we should have a pretty good idea of this team. So you guys should be able to give me some very thoughtful answers here on this team. So here's the question. We got this this question from Jazzy Joe on Twitter. He says, why not right? Why not bench Layton vander esh for who? For what? I hate that answer? Why no?
Not to say it's not right? I'm saying I hate it because when you get into a situation where you know a player is not playing very well, but you don't have an answer like that's a product. I just I don't like questions like that because it's like, you know, we talked about it all the time. You you you say it to us every time we come into your office about something. You're like, okay, I hear you. But but it's a solution. So I mean, that's that's what
I'm saying. I mean, if you had somebody sitting there that was way better, you would do it. But I mean Luke Gifford, who who Gifford? And Francis Bernard. No, it's a sneaky, brutal loss that Jabril Cox towards a clum and that's not this. I doubt he would be playing all of the snaps right now, but they gave him maybe be playing a significant him out by now. They won't say. It's hard to say the number, but it's bigger than sneaky. You're well, you're right, I mean,
I agree, I've been talking about it for weeks. I mean, they would have been increasing his role this whole time, right they started with goal line. If he answers that it gets bigger and bigger. And oh, by the way, Kean O'Neill and Layton Vanderesh, neither one of them is really looking like a guy that you want to be part of your long term future. Jabril Cox is. And he would be that much more ready to assume a bigger role next year if he was healthy right now,
and they'd have a better idea about him. Right you know, then you're like, Okay, well Jabrill can do this, this and this, but right now, he don't really know. Now, what you do know is that he can chase down Daniel Jones and like smack the heck out of him. At the one, it's going like you're going into the draft saying we have two studs who are only one
year into their contract at linebacker. Verse, Well, we got Micah and we feel good about Cox about We don't really know it's there'd be a domino effect there or those decision making because it's like, okay, let's start instead of linebacker, let's start at defensive end. What are we doing? We were signing Randy if we do for how much can we keep both of these guys? Is Mica gonna play defensive end? You know that there's just a lot of what's takes long term out exactly and then you
then you figure all this out. So it's it's an interesting thing. But so go back to Layton. I mean, I yeah, he's not playing like the guy we thought he was, But I don't know if you have another option right now. So see him just making plays that are just getting I mean, he's making bad plays, making some he's making some bad plays, but I mean I think he's just not standing out as a linebacker. You should stand out more than I want to try to understand the how how did we get here to this
point of us talking about him in this way. I know previous years he's been dealing with the injuries and the times that he would go back on the field. You know, you can blame the injury and say and he would still make certain place here and there and definitely looked better than what Jalen did at the time, But then you never had him be fully healthy like this year, he hasn't been out right. He's been playing the whole time. I don't think he's missing, But but
you know something that I don't. I don't look at him like I don't think he has played like he did his rookie year. So no, never even in times he came back from injury, like he could get a player two here or there, But overall, I don't think he's been back to that level, which does seem a little curious that you could play as well as he did his rookie year. I mean, god, was an All Pro as a rookie and then just completely fall off the map. Yeah, you go back to the game Thursday night,
I mean, where was Taysom Hill running a lot? Like a lot of it was right up the middle. I'm gonna between the tackles. I mean, so when they ran the ball with Ingram, he was running up the middle. You know they won't really going sideline to sideline that much. Yeah, that's you should get four or five tackles just just by doing that, you know. Like, and I gotta go back and see how many snaps he had. But he was out on the field. It's just he just wasn't
around the ball. And that's just odd for for him and his style. I mean, because he's up there in time, I would imagine I don't know this, he's probably fifth on the team and tackles. Maybe it's not great for a linebacker. No, no, you would, you know. I mean this team is built differently. I mean Jayron curses leading the leading the team and tackles, but they playing him around there, um you know, and Barry Church will let you know that too, because Barry Church, he's about to
be the first player since Barry Church. No, he's not gonna catch him, but the first players Burry Church, you know, for safety to lead the team and tackles. And he's like, well he's playing like a linebacker. Barry asked me different He's like, how many does he have? It was like playing seventy five. He's like, oh, hen't catch me. I had one third. He said he had one thirty five, one thirty five. I don't remember. I remember one thirty five.
I know I know Barry a bad team. I can't say I know Barry played in the box a lot. But a safety with one thirty five times, Yeah, it wasn't good. It's not a good thing. That means your linebackers are really bad. Lay Layton played fifty six percent of the snaps, so I mean he was he was getting rotated a lot, but still one who was who was Was it just Jayron playing that other linebacker spot when he wasn't in there? If he's only playing fifty percent of the snaps, Yeah, it had I mean yes,
because Kean O'Neill played even less than that. He played thirty three. J Ron curse is he he is a linebacker. He is there nickel and dime personnel box guy. It's a different way to do it, but that's what he's been doing. Ninety three No, yeah, nine sixty five snaps and how many I mean he rushed a lot? Right? Yeah? Well, I don't know about that because he played he was at linebacker most of the game. He might have he was on the line some, but he was at lineback round.
If he was good with that, then then that's that's perfect. Um. You know. Here, here's a couple of things about about his game. You always say this, Derek about DeMarcus Ware guys that rushed the passer. There's two different types. There's a guy that gets a lot of sacks and then there's a guy to get the sackling when we have to have it. Last two games, in overtime, he made a play that you know, you would think that would get you off the field set up a third and eighteen.
It just didn't work and they lost to the Raiders. But he made a huge play in that game, and he made one made the play of the game to start the fourth quarter and they got him out of field goal rings. He kept it a two score game because it's a two score game for Taysom Hill. Guess what it means. He has to throw it and guess what The Cowboys caught just as many as the Saints guys did. I think in the fourth Unless you have Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson. I think you gotta consider
not running boots against this defense. It's just doesn't work. Yeah, he's not the one to get fooled. He closes too. Well, he doesn't get fooled, and he's gonna catch you. I mean if he catches, if he can catch Taysom Hill the way he did. I mean he did it to Justin Herbert too, who's one of the more athletic quarterbacks in the league. Like, unless you have a sprinter playing quarterback, it's probably not worth the risk. All right, we're gonna go to the next question. The biggest problem for the
Dallas offense is offensive line. Yeah, center guards. He's a Pro Bowl vot vote getter. He plays for the Cowboys. Well, hold on, hold on, hold been there for three weeks, hold on, the last month of the season. Let's be fair. He's been a lot better, a lot. I haven't seen a whole lot of issues really with him. Snaps have been good. He's played a full season. He has one season. All right, he should be better. Right, that's kind of
what you're expecting. He I hate playing these games, and I'll tell you why, because that like it all works in harmony or disharmony, like Dak is pressing. I think Dak is pressing. He's he's played better than a lot of haters want to give him credit for. He had three or four I meant to say that I was remote, so I didn't want to like push the issue. He had three or four of the best throws of his season in New Orleans, like the one to Lamb that kind of arcd through the slot over the guys. That
was incredible he had. Um, I know it was incomplete and that you know, nobody cares about that. But the one that Lamb caught in the back corner of the end zone out of bounds, incredible, more by Lamb than Dak, but still um yeah. He that was training camp. Lamb like that the same play, similar play in training camp where he was out of bounds. We were like, I don't care, but it was such a great case, you know, right, yeah put it up, so forget we're not posting that
that he was out of bounds. Like, no, it's a great kids, you put it up. But fans want to see that through like three or four laser beams in that game. So it was like a lifetime ago. It does it really does um, But I think he's pressing. I think the offensive line has one day. The reason that he's pressing, yeah, well, I mean are the receiver's The reason that he's pressing is not having Amari Cooper played Thursday, but it was like eighteen snaps. He was
basically a third and fourth down guy. Again, does not having him to take pressure off of everybody else? Does that make it harder to find the throwing? I mean, and that is the question, what is the biggest problem. I think it's I think they all connect. I mean yeah, I mean seriously, like this is all taut. I've never
said this before, but the neckbones connected to the calf bone. Seriously, Okay, it all I mean, I'm talking about Tyrant's issue that's related all the way down and relates to Dak and all and then Dak and then receivers they just have they've been out of scene. Okay, So let me rephrase the question. If you could fix one thing, what would
have the biggest impact. If I could fix one thing, I just want this full compliment of receivers and everybody that plays the skill position as healthy and available as possible, because well, health is the biggest issue. I get to fix one thing. Yeah, I'm Tyrant Smith is feels the best he's ever felt for real. I mean he said it before, but I'm talking about Do you think he's not playing at the level that he was playing earlier in the season. Probably not. I'm just saying I get
to fix one thing. I'm making him twenty fourteen Tyrants Smith. That's why I'm making that would be that would be fun. That would be fun. I mean he'd be like, I don't know that's fixable, which is I'm just mister, I'm dealing with the whole thing. I'm dealing with reality here, which is the offensive line wasn't bad in New Orleans? Were they? I mean they couldn't run the ball. They couldn't run and that can't run the ball? Yeah? Um,
But like Dak had time. I think he got sacked one time, and I know I know he got pressured a few times, but like it wasn't just like that, he had a lot good time. I I think that highly of Amari Cooper that I think he opens things up that much. If you're just telling me I can have one thing, I just want him as healthy as possible. Scaring the hell out of somebody on one side of the formation and letting everybody else work off of that, I think. And the beautiful thing is they can have
that as early as Sunday afternoon. So that's what I would say, all right, cambelling that, I mean, I would just go with the O line in general. You've seen the passing game be affected by it. You've definitely seen the running game. And I get it that when Nick pulled up the stats, WHOA, Yeah, they made it sound like they were actually kind of successful a little bit in the running game last game. But to me, it
was a complete mess. And I get it. You can't take away those two plays because they do count at the end of the day. But at the same time, looking back at other games in the season, you just haven't been successful at the runs and you see them unable to create holes for sig and that's a problem, especially when you got a guy that has been dealing
with an injury himself. So to me, it's creating that balance, a no line that's able to allow you to run the game, to run the ball somehow kind of balance both and not turn you one dimensional. Is that you're saying in English? Yeah, not turn you one the dimensional. And obviously we've seen Dak struggle at times. Like Dave said, they got they oh my god, not speak English today. They did get better last week. But I need them to become more solid to where they can compliment each
other and allow them to do both things. And going back to the running game, I think my point there is anybody who's ever won a lottery ticket before, how many of do you think that they've lost? How many how much of that little shavings you think are on their ground right there because they're doing it all the time, and they do it all the time, and that's what they think. But you gotta keep doing it if you're gonna win. People say, well, I haven't win the lottery
one day. It's like, okay, but do you play? No, you don't. You have to play. And so that's the thing about running the ball, like you're gonna keep doing it. You gotta stick to it. You gotta keep running because every once in a while you're gonna get that ticket.
And that's what Tony Poler did. But you gotta keep doing it, and that's what you and that's why I think it all factors in that they didn't lose the commitment to do it all right, Speaking of the running game, next question, the running back that gives Dallas the best chance to win as we sit here today is blank seek Pollard, Why are you doing? What year is this there? Because that's what we're doing. What years? I twenty twenty one.
That's the year that we're in, and that's the that's the running back combination that helps this team twenty twenty one. Tony Tony Pollard is better with the ball in his hands right now. Zeke Elliott is a well rounded enough running back that he needs to be part of the offense too. How how many, like I can't count, how many times Zeke has absolutely smashed somebody that would have killed Dak. You can't take that out. You can't discard it because Zeke's not dangerous as a runner, and he's not.
I'm sure he feels like crap, his knee hurt and it sucks. It sucks for him that he's dealing with that. I'm but I need him both. I said it going into that game, and you do have to have them both. My question becomes if if we all agree, it sounds like we all agree that Poller is a better runner at this at this point. And again that could be because of injury, That could be he has of a lot of things. But if we think he is a better runner, should he not be getting more carries? Well? Sure, yes,
and unless I mean see how Zeke feels. We talked for weeks about this break. I mean they've been off since they landed in Dallas on Friday morning. Ten days is a good amount of time to get get some stuff right. If if he feels significantly better, then I would keep it the same. But if this is still an issue, then yes, I would prefer them not bury their head in the sand about who is a more
valuable runner? All right, So we got fast forward to Sunday, three minutes and thirty five seconds to go in the game Rights Washington, whatever, has two time outs, Cowboys have a lead twenty four to twenty one. You got you gotta run the ball, you gotta get you run this clock out. And I know it's hard to answer that because you don't know how the game has gone on. But do you think Zeke's the guy? I mean, Zeke? Or do you want Pollard running the ball when you
know there's gonna be a stack front? Who do you want running the ball right there. Based on what I've seen over the last I don't know, four to six games, I think i'd rather have running the ball again. The only reason is because I think they're both gonna get stopped a lot. Two yard game, one yard game maybe negative. I think that's going to happen because this offensive line isn't blocking very well in the run game. Here's the difference. The difference is if Pola gets that crease, he might
go fifty. I don't think Zeke's gonna do that, And so that's where I think they're about that. There was a time you get don't get me wrong, there was a time when even though I thought Paula had the home run ability, Zeke was still going four, six, seven. You know that's not really happening as much right now. And that's why I think i'd rather go to Polar. I hear, I hear that, But I don't need fifty so much there, You know, you need ten or eleven. What I wonder is and I haven't seen Polar do
this a lot. I haven't seen Zeke a lot either, But like I'm talking about, when you get hit one yard, do you make it three? Are you making it? But that's my point. I don't think Zeke has been doing that much recently, like and I haven't been seen that from Zeke. I think Pollard's better at that than he gets credit for it. People like to say he can't he doesn't run between the tac He absolutely run. He is not like he's not a dainty back like he'll yeah he can do that. Uh me. Personally, he's like
Tony Dorset. Honestly, we compared Michael Lawrence Taylor. But Tony Dorset was big, but he was fast and he could get through and all that. I mean, oh my god, I can't believe that Tony po I would just I would motion CD out of the slot, give him a jet sweep and have him get nine and then it doesn't matter who gets the last one. That's what I would do. But shouts out Kellen, maybe see more of that.
That's and that's what that's what Bob. You're right, you do have to have patience and commitment to the running game. But again, they ran six They ran for more than three yards six times out of twenty four. Mix it up. They got athlete and run to the side. That's what happened. Their running game was outside the tackles, and that's maybe what they have to do. And you're not going to run a toss. You're not gonna run a toss sweep
every time you run it. I get it, But there's got to be more ways you can vary up what you're doing than like, here we go a dive. Right, Damn, it didn't work again. All right, let's try it to the left this time. Now, be a little more original than that. All right, final question before we get to some fan questions. When Terrence still returns from COVID protocol, who should start at the right tackle again? Should this is your opinion, not what you think will happen. Who
should be your starter at right tackle? I'm like whatever, at this point, you're still you're gonna do whatever? Have you? Have you noticed and have you noticed a noticeable difference between the two of them? Honestly, I have no. I can't sit here and tell you that I have. And the only way, the only way I think there could be a case made for one it would be if
you wanted to move the other to another position. Yeah, if you thought we're still having problems at left guard, which I think they are, and you thought Ile Collins is a better option than either of the two guards we have played, either either of the two guys we have playing left guard, then I say, still returns at right tackle. You move I all Collins to left guard and see what you can get out of that. Yeah.
I don't think there's a way to answer this without bringing in the politics of football that everybody wants to pretend don't exist. But if you're moving, if you put Terrence Steel back there, then I just assume you're making significant, big term decisions like that means something for next year. Lyle Collins I assume won't be here if he's not your starting right tackle. Like I doubt he wants to
play left guard permanently. The money's at tackle. He's always said he views himself as a tackle, and so I'll just say I think he should be the starting right tackle unless you are committed to shuffling things up in the offseason, which that's fine if you are, but you're just I don't think you're making that move unless you're comfortable making big decisions about that later on. Yeah, I mean, I would just keep things the way they are unless
you're deciding to do that. Yeah, and you said, what's the most significant difference between the two, and there it is. I mean I just looked it up. Six point one million, seven hundred and eighty thousand. That's their cap hit when it steals deal up. It's an undrafted free agent, so he should have one more. He'll be restrict got time with him at this amount of money, he'll be restricted. Yeah, that's true. Three year deal and you're restricted. So I
mean it's very easy to hang on to. On the field. You guys have said there's not a significant difference. But if we go back to the time that Dale was brought by, can I think that since then the old line has not played as good as they were playing prior to that change. Fair So, however, you put it aside from Connor Williams making the mistakes that he was making and all that, I think that the offensive line did become worse after that. I'm going back to Connor Williams.
If we were asking questions, that's would be what I would do. I don't know about the right tackle. I'll tell you I'd go back to Connor Williams at left guard. I think I picked your penalties and and and play it life. You think he's been He was better earlier this season then than what we've seen from a The running game has been better. I mean, it's still her point. I mean, and you're right about that. That also was
happening around that time. I think that they ran the ball better with him, and now the penalties a certainly a problem, but you know, I mean, Connor has Sam McGovern has some not not to that level, but I think that he was blocking better too, So I think I would go back to that. I don't I don't disagree, and I don't know that Connor McGovern has been awful, but yeah, I'm not hasn't known him under the bus. He hasn't improved anything. But point that you're like, yes,
this was a gay call, but same thing. I'm not going to look that up. But it's the same type of deal we're talking about next year. If it's that close on the field, Yeah, one guy you think is not going to be here, one guy is. Then it goes back to the Jabril Cox thing. It's like, God, I wish when it comes time to making decisions, what do we know about this guy? And if you never played McGovern, then you're like, how how are you going to sit there and fight for him if you didn't
play him. So that's a really good point. And I think anybody anybody knows by now that I'm an LC stand he went to LSU. We get it. But like, this is a business and for a team that's kind of going to be close up against the cap if you think, I mean we just said, we don't think there's that big of a difference. But except for the money, and so Terrence Steele could be a way to get you. You're like, wow, we're only paying our starting right tackle
eight hundred thousand dollars. That could really help us out in the spring. So that's something you have to consider. And to be fair, I don't know, I don't know if you saw this, but I don't know how much it would cost to release or trade Lyle. I don't know that stuff. But yeah, I'm sure there would be a pretty sizable dead cap hit. Yeah, but all right, I would make a big change and go back to what you had before where you were le bench. You
got Connor Williams back in. Connor McGovern used him the way you were utilizing him. That was very creative. I think that added an extra spice to the offense. So do it that way. And I mean I think you get more out of both players in that kind of role. You get more out of both connors like Connor Williams kind of my gover. Yes, But anyways, I would go back to that. I love the way you make it so simple. Actually think we ought it is. People like
to over um what's the opposite of simple? Complicate? Complicated? See I cannot speak today what my vocabulary there is? There is something the fact that, like, you still are dealing with human beings, so you do have to deal with emotions and you have to deal with you know, you don't want to create division, you want to create unities. There are a lot of things to factor in when you start talking about how you make decisions with a group of people hard business. I know it is going
back to that aspect. I mean, if their hell bents on doing it, I guess they could. But like getting rid of vile doesn't really do anything for you, Like it's a fourteen million dollar cap hit and a one point three million dollars savings And even if you did it as a June one, you'd just be spreading that out over two years, so it wouldn't hit you wow. Now yeah, okay, you would save ten million if you
made them a post June one. Again, I'm not doing that deep in the weeks here, but Tyron Smith hasn't proven to me that he can just completely stay healthy. Point and with all the problems you gotta tax here, absolutely, and I'm maybe drafting one. And yeah, we're all we're all frustrated that the running game has disappeared, but it's still a good thing to have three tackles, Like that's
not a problem you have to solve. And to be quite honest with you, I think the Cowboys are now at the point where they were years ago when they drafted Travis Frederick and they meet the remade their offensive line over the next several years. That's where they are right now. If there's this offseason, they need to start thinking, we need to focus on our offensive line because although Tyren still plays well, time's at an age where his
health is failing. I'm getting the next Zach Martin um slash Connor Williams in between them, because that's probably where you're gonna be picking. You're not gonna picking them at fourteen. You're not gonna be you know, fifty, A guy that played guard or tackle, that can play guard and projectiment guard. That's the guy that I'm taking in the mid twenties or wherever, thirty, wherever you're picking out. Well, sobody's gonna
be playing soon though. That that Chargers left tackles pretty badass, just saying no, you can't and you can't sit there and compare him to ld and yeah, I'm not he's nice, but the Chargers are not. I'm not saying I'm not saying ah, I'm not saying they made a mistake. But again, this is what we were saying, This is what we
were talking about a month ago. If for Shawn Slater's and All Pro for the next decade the way Tyron Smith has been eight years from now, you might rethink that, although right now, no way in hell Mica is as dynamic a defensive player as he's shown himself to be so far, for the next eight years, I think every team would take him over that. Let me ask you this, this is this is kind of similar. In two thousand and eleven, the Cowboys had a chance to draft J. J. Watt.
They didn't. They drafted Tyron Smith right. Do you think that and this is close, I mean, do you think that they regretted that or do you think Houston was like, Man, I'm glad because that's one of what we're talking about, and I think there could be him again. Everybody always wants to be right. I this might be a situation where there's no wrong. Both they're both and both teams might be like, yeah, we did the right And it
kind of depends on what you need from your team. Right, if you want that dominant defensive player, then you want that. If you want that and I'm there forever, then that's true. You know, it's just what your flavor is. Not trying to suggest they're wrong for drafting Mica. It's just interesting. And that's what makes the draft so great is he's over, he's balling out, he's playing. I mean, he could win Offensive Rookie of the Year. I doubt it because that's
always going to go to like a quarterback. But but he's played well playing that well, Yeah, there's there's gonna be a tough, tough one there because the receiver for the Bengals, Oh, he's getting there. Mac Jones. Mac Jones has done a really good job too. Chase screwed Burrow over yesterday. I'm mad at him. Drop the drop that turned into a pick Hea MARII coopered him. If you remember from the twenty nineteen Packers game. Yeah, if a Marie catches that ball, I think they win that game.
That's one of you love you love Burrows more like you can't you can't do anything to Burrows like you there's no Burrow whatever. Yes, Joe Burrow must be protected at all costs, even Jamar Chase, like nobody's nobody's free feeless. I'm and the guy that that ran that whole thing. I mean, they're just gonna cut him in Carolina, like hopefully he comes back to las U. Jeez, go y'all could use it. Yeah, we couldn't want to give him a better quarterback exactly, figure out the quarterback spot before
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Studios at the Starlist takes some questions. We got a question here from Art Van Delay on Twitter. He says, all across the league, when things break down, quarterbacks are making plays with their legs. Dak before injury, averaged one point six first down to a game with his legs. This season, he only has two total. When the offense is struggling to make first downs, should he look to run more? Yeah, that's definitely an element that's been missing
from his game, And I think it was. He had like a pretty nice scramble against the Giants, I think, and it scared the crap out of everybody because it was like a similar part of the field that's where he got hurt. It certainly looks like he's got all the same amount of mobility as he did before. And
people have asked about the calf injury. Football players are always dealing with something, but like nothing about the way that he's moved in any of these four games since he came back leads me to believe that he's significantly hampered by it. And so yes, the answers yes. And I don't know if that's his own reluctance or you know, organizational pressure like hey, you gotta be available, or maybe a combination of all of the above, but it's a
useful element of his game that has been lacking. Yeah, I mean, he said everyone said it in the offseason. He's got to be smart about it. He's gonna got to run some he's you know, and this is what we're seeing him being smart about it. That's what that's what that is. He's not running as much. I definitely believe it has something to do with what happened last year that costs the team. That didn't cost him anything money wise, but that costs the team. The team wasn't
the same. He knows that he's got to be there for his team. So it's a it's a tough balance. It's not easy to sit there and say that that's a good and to be fair, I mean, he ran for a touchdown against Atlanta. He bowled a guy over. It's not like I don't think he's like afraid to run. I just think that probably weighs heavily on you. I know, he was getting killed on Twitter. It was the first
series of the Saints game. He had like an open pocket of grass on the left side and he scrambled and he threw it instead, and everybody was yelling at him that he didn't run. And from where we were sitting, I was like, okay, there's like an end tailing the play, and two linebackers sick, like maybe he gets four yards, Like maybe he gets five or six best case scenario, and he's probably gonna take a shot. Is it worth it? I mean, if he gets concussed doing that, is that
was that worth it? So yeah, that's a tough spot to be in. Yeah, And if you go back and watch that New Orleans game, you'll notice that there were quite a few plays, especially on those third downs, when they were spying deck, like they literally had a lineback staying right in the middle of field, waiting to see if he tried to take off. And I mean that speaks to the fact that other teams, I think recognize that in those critical downs he can be a problem
with his legs. Now, Dad's not the kind of guy you know you got Lamar Jackson. Even if you got somebody spying him, he's gonna make some opportunities out of running. That's not dak. Dad can run when nobody's paying attention, and now he can pick up some yards from it. But you got a guy spying him, Dad's not going to get a lot out of that. That's not a particularly fast or elusive runner. He's a powerful runner, but
he's not a particularly fast or elusive runner. So when it all comes down to it, I just don't think he's had as many opportunities. I do think there's sometimes he's been a little hesitant, but I also think there are sometimes you're recently when teams are basically saying you're not going to do that to us on specific downs, You're gonna have to throw the ball if you're gonna get this first down. I definitely I don't think that's the reason why the offense has been kind of herky
jerky recently. I mean, he hasn't really been doing it all year and they were rolling. But there's but there's stats out there from his whole career that when he runs like it's like thirty yards, it's not why it's like, no, thirty yards are more. They're way better than he doesn't. I mean, if if he runs three times for fifteen yards, two of those probably picked up first downs, and that's the difference between converting thirty percent and converting you know,
sixty five percent or whatever. So I don't want to overstate it, but I do think it's it's a useful thing that he just hasn't been doing this. There's been a quarterback he's not no longer here, and he's not he didn't start a lot of games for the Cowboys, So it's not who you think. But he said before, well, why would you run when you can throw it? That doesn't help your quarterback rating. I mean it's gonna help
your quarterback. It doesn't help your quarterback rating to get twelve yards, whether you can throw it, complete the pass and get twelve yards and that helps your rating. I'm just saying, like, well, like people say that kind of stuff, and I don't I don't know if that's right. I don't think that. I don't. I don't think he's that. We hit all in twenty twenty one. We have EPA too, So there's ways we can I'm sorry, what is that?
We can talk about it off the air, but you can quantify a quarterbacks rushing ability in twenty twenty one. It should be to me, that should be a part of your right. Absolutely, it should be. It's like, oh, Lamar Jackson's twenty third or whatever. It's like, Okay, who's who's worried about him at night? You know? Defensive coordinators? I mean, every team's about to play, right, so that matters. All right, let's take a question for Brian. I'm going
to change this question a little bit. He's asking what are the highest positions of need he wants to go to draft. I don't think we talked about draft just in general. Like if you look at this team, we talked a little about lineback, we talked about offensive line. Give me specifically, like, what are the positions where you think Dallas really needs some help? Man, they're gonna be sitting.
I don't like to do that where they're sitting, but they're gonna be in the They're gonna be past twenty five probably, Oh god, they'll twenty two to thirty two. I don't know, all right. I mean, anybody other than a quarterback should be on the table. Don't you think anybody tight end? Well, what if it was a tight end, a pretty good tight end. Yeah, you think about this, left tackle, So do you think about it? Center guard? Yes, running back. I think you should take a running back
every year in the first four rounds. In my opinion, that's just first. I think that's in one of the first one of your first four round picks. I would take a running back at least every other year, Okay, I absolute would, because you're because about the likelihood is you're gonna get one of those start a fourth round players. It turned into a really good running back. But those guys too, they tend they don't tend to have long careers.
You give them four or five years and you ready for the next, so you always want to keep recycling them through. I don't think you go high with the pick running back. No. I was thinking lower, honestly, like fifth round, six round. Yeah, but that's fine. I just think every position should be on it. Now let's let's
let's get a little bit more pressing. I mean, okay, let's think about and then and then get quiet like well, I thought he was about to say, well, let's think about that one of the draft guy interior interior offensive line is something that you could look at a because of contract situations and be because you're not getting elite
level play out of a few of them. I can see which I also would make it a the value that you get at guards center y number twenty three, twenty four, you're talking about one of the better ones there. The problem the cow The Cowboys are too good probably to have a shot at the Iowa Center that everybody's gotta about. But that would be fun um linebacker. I think.
I know that sounds weird, but we kind of talked about it in the first segment, especially if Mica is gonna kind of freelance, which I want him to do. Jabril Cox is there, but we're not one hundred percent sure what they have. So yeah, I think they need to draft a linebacker in the top one hundred picks next year because I'm I'm not resigning Layton and probably not Keano that's just me. Safety jay Ron Curse is great. He might price himself out of here. Honestly, that's something
you gotta consider. But I would I would pay for it to keep him. What what what if you don't know the price? I mean, what if it means Yeah, he's gonna get it. He's gonna get more money he would have gotten last year than he got last year. But I don't think he's at a point now where people are like, oh my god, we got to make him the highest paid safety in the league on one production. So I think I think it's gonna be more, and I would be comfortable with paying him more. Let's see
what else you got. I would rather even though he's playing linebacker. I would rather first out what I'm gonna do with Randy because I might have to franchise when I got it, I got the tag from ninety four. But he's he's gonna be here on end and could be again. What's gonna happen with Michael, What's gonna happen with Randy? What's gonna happen with Tank? Keep getting rushers us unrestricted? About how many guys would you say are about to become free agents? I mean any in any
given year. It's between like eighteen. They got some guys that are actual players that are going to be free atives this year. That's the interesting part about it. I mean yeah, I mean yeah, Randy Schultz, Gallop, Connor, Shoot. People probably don't want to hear me say this. I'd draft a receiver highly. Just keep that thing, keep a strength to strength. I'm not saying first round, but if you get one, if you find one that you really like in the second, third round, I wouldn't be against.
I mean, Michael Gallup was pick eighty one and he had a decent rookie year, but it took him time to get going. Like you can't wait until it's a drastic need. At least you shouldn't not if you're doing your job the right way. That's also why the offensive line is so critical, I think is because they have waited I think a little too long to now start because now they got to rebuild this thing. Because you know a lot of these guys that I would go
first and second round. Honestly, you keep rebuilding that. Yeah, then then your fifth round running back is still effective In a system like this, you can find that I want to say Joseph Randall. But Joseph Randall was a fifth round back and he wasn't bad. Tony Pollard is a fourth round pick. That's awesome. You can get good bad, and that's my thing about backs, like you can. Just that's why I always in drafting ones because I just want to keep them in the pipeline. But if you
got that line, build it with that exactly right. Yeah, I are center, an offensive lineman and a off ball linebacker are right now and that it'll obviously change, but that's what I think about. And throw safety in there just because that's what we do. Everything is stressful. I think I hate that time of the year because it's so stressful. It's like it's easy when it's a bad area. This is why I do this job. That's my favorite
thing to talk about. Yeah, so, well, when you lose guys are decent, you're like God, and now we got to rebuild this whole thing because it's easy. When you're losing guys that suck, it's like, okay, we can. Here's here's why mock drafts can be kind of tricky. People like to get on the mock drafts and they're always done by somebody you've never heard of. I looked at three mock drafts the other day, mainly for different reasons. I was trying to see where certain players are going
to be, players that I follow. But they all have the Cowboys taking a corner because they wanted a corner last year and they didn't get one, so they obviously want one now. And the narrative on Drown is that he ain't that great Anthony Brown. Yeah, I'm sure that's the narrative. Yeah, I mean, he's not He's not that great, but they're not great. The narrative is wrong. Good, The narrative is wrong. There's a narrative that he is a bad cornerback. He's not a bad corner, and he's not great.
And in this world, everybody wants to find you know, plug holes, digs, is this and that, Joe. But I mean, and they could take a corner if there's one that's there. I mean, why not you always want to take a corner. But I don't know if it's this pressing of a need and that draft second and third rounder and hoping
that they would play something they haven't yet. Even the really informed draft gurus only have time to keep like a surface level in my They don't know the ins and outs of every roster the way that we do. But I would if the right corner felt to me in the first round, I would do it anyway I don't. Yeah, yeah, But that goes back to the original point is there are a lot of There are a lot of positions here where if you could upgrade the position, you take it.
There are very few rere like I just wouldn't take it. I don't care who the players. I'm just not taking a player at that position, quarterbacks, really it Other than that, you're probably taking a guy if he's a better player than other position. They resigned Michael Gallup and they have that receiver, those three, I doubt you would do that. You're not gonna do that if you resign Gallup. If you resign gall If, you're not going to take a receiver in the first round. He just can't help you
as much as some other position I would throw. I wouldn't draft a running back in the first round. Yeah, if any time after that, that's fine, but not in the first round. Not. I think I've done enough of that. Just yeah, and I mean, I mean, Zeek's not going anywhere,
and I don't know what's going to happen. Tony does still have one more year, so I mean you can and if there is if there's one position where you can wait until it's critical, it's running back, especially like we said, if the offensive line is good, if the quarterbacks could whatever, draft Alvin Kamara in the third round and have him be Rookie of the year immediately. Perfect,
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