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that offseason mode. And I wanted to ask you guys, despite the end result and the loss that we just went through and experienced against the forty nine ers, how would you qualify this season when you go you know, people doing their exit interviews and all that. If you sit down and have to look at the overall and feeling aside, how would you really qualify and review the season.

I think it's a good season, and I know that what's been talked about on the radio and people have to debate about it, and and I just I don't understand how it would be viewed anything different. And if and if so, you know, this is why why we get asked the questions earlier in the year, what's your record for the season, what do you think it's going to be. Um, I didn't hear any any twelve and twelve and fives and and playoff, you know, go to

the division around. I didn't hear that. UM. I heard nine and nine and eight and ten and seven and and and maybe wild cards or sneak in. But so I think I think expectations were way exceeded. UM And I think you know you I saw things this year I hadn't seen ever and the time I was here. So I don't live my life that way, thinking that it's got to be Super Bowl or bust, because I would have been I would have been gone time. So I don't. I don't view that way. And if people

that's you know, I don't know. How was your weekend? It was good? Did you win the lottery? Well know, well, then how is it good? I mean, like, I don't live like that. I think you can have you can have you said it before. Something that I guess I've never actually given thought is these people whoever comes in that's new head coach and new head coach players, they have to deal with that type of burden that is

not their fault. They come in here and have to deal with of the years and years and years right where the Cowboys franchise hasn't gone back to a super Bowl and deal with that. So that's something that people don't realize. And I get it people are fed up,

but it's it's what it is. Brian. Yeah, you went four out of five games with a backup quarterback when your season in week one just looked like you know, we make jokes about talking about the draft, show everything, every it was the doom and gloom that was in this building after Week one. The fan base around the world was like, what are we going to do? Now? You know we've got it, now we've got what, We've got sixteen more weeks of this? Are you kidding me?

You know? And that's and that's the thing you look at and you say, man, you went four of the five games with a backup quarterback when none of us. I shouldn't say none of us. I didn't think Cooper Rush could do it. No, I didn't think it. I'll tell you what. Dan Quinn made this defense better last year. It was you're thinking, man, what's dan Quinn going to do? Smoke and mirrors? How's he going to do? This? Led the lad the egan in turnovers last year. You know,

did things got in the playoffs? Yeah, you got beat by San Francisco. Kind of figured out ways along how to win games last year, you know, But your defense carries you the first half of this season. Then you get your quarterback back and then you start to win some games. The offense kind of finds its way. Yeah, you had a couple of bad losses along the way, the green Bay loss, the jack Mille. You know, green Bay they're fighting to get in the playoffs. Jacksonville looks

like a legitimate team. So that's not a bad loss to me. Right now. When you when you did the thing with Nick, when you're talking about when loss loss, when you know, when you play that game with the schedule, Jacksonville was a w immediately said Jacksonville is no good. It's a W So you know, to me, I was I was super super super critical of Mike McCarthy, you know, and what and I'm thinking, Okay, evaluate the coaching staff this year. I think the coaching staff did a really

really nice job this year considering all the things. Now they're might go, they might lose. The things are really heating up for dan Quinn. They're really heating up for dan Quinn. So you're gonna have to figure that out right now. But how as far as the season goes. Somebody's telling me, hey, Brian, you know it's not sustainable. You can't lead to the league in turnover. You're getting turn creating turnovers back to back. What do they do?

You know, despite their quarterback having issues with interceptions and not all his fault, but you know, he gets to blame for him. You know, they were one of the top teams when it came to turning the getting people to turn the ball over, sacks, pressures, things like that. You know they you know, every other year the record they have is going to win the division. They there's

a hot team right now playing in Philadelphia. You know there's a team you know it Usually you win twelve thirteen games, you're talking about having the first overall seat. It took thirteen games for them to get that right. So to me, I look at the season as like I look at as super positive. You know, now you have to figure out though, it's this is now over

and now you have to move on. You're probably gonna have to replace some coaches, You're surely going to have to replace some personnel, and then it starts all over again. You know, what are your expectations. How's the draft? I mean, they go out and they draft a kid. I'm sorry I'm talking so long, but I am. You know this this. They go out and they draft a kid to play. They don't even give you his position. Tyler Smith. They

don't even tell you what he is. He's a left side player, he's a he's a he's a just offense. He plays guard, he plays tackle, he plays guard, he plays tackle. I mean what they got out of him this year and some of these other players that they have bland guys like that, when others, when your primary corner goes down, your primary nickel goes down. To the

things that they were able to do. They finally got Pollard going in this thing to the point where You're like, man if when Pauler went out of the game, it's like your whole offense went south. There was a time where Paul how many touches he had in the game last year, eight against the forty nine ers. I think they figured out some things along the way. That's as a former personnel, man if I was working in this building,

that's the positivity that I would take. I don't like the fact that you get bounced in the division around you know, nineteen points given up, you should score, You should beat that. You should beat a team, you know if they if you only give up nineteen points, they didn't do that. Now it's my job to find some ways to go and be to Philadelphia, go and be to San Francisco, go to beat you beat Cincinnati, you know, early in the year with a backup quarterback by the way.

So to me, I think that, you know, it's not the thud, you know, it's not that thud that you normally face when it's when the season's over for me, because I see more positive things than I really really do negative things. Yeah, and we are all expecting some changes,

you know, whatever that is. We're expecting changes to happen in the near future, and which is exciting in the thought that it's a change at least, But to me it's also a little frustrating because you look at what you had with dan Quinn and the great thing that he's been able to do. With Kellen Moore on the other hand, he's also been he's done some great things as well. He's kind of elevated the offense in certain ways.

It just hasn't fully clicked, and you always feel like you're just one little stepe away from everything just working out perfectly now with a possible change like that, Nick, I mean, and this is hard to say because you don't know who would be the next guy. Yeah, um, if that was to happen or he was asked the question today on radio listening about you know, you know who that guy would be or who dan Quinn wasn't it or for Kellen he was for dan Quinn, Okay,

for Quinn and and but but yeah, for Kellen. I mean it's tough. You are how far do you feel they are from like just finding the right guy. And that's a tough question. Okay, It's like it's it's you have to look at it. LOWD what Mike McCarthy's track record of hiring people. This is what we know about Mike McCarthy. To me, Mike McCarthy, when he brought in his friends, it didn't work out. When he went outside of the friend bubble, he went and got Dan Quinn.

To me, now it's about it's Mike McCarthy going to say, Okay, I went with Kellen Moore. You guys, you know I didn't want to change things with Kellen Moore. I didn't want to call his play. I didn't want to call plays, you know. But if I feel comfortable with Brian Schottenheimer, or I feel comfortable with Nathaniel Hackett, you know, those kind of guys, that's going to be interesting to see if Jerry and Will and Steven and then would say, Okay,

we're cool with you. The guy that could be the favorite if they had to make, if that move is made, is got to be Schottenheimer because he's been in the building. You know, Jerry and Stephen and Will have actually seen him work or know about his work, his body of work. So if i'm I mean, I think there's a sense of urgency within the Cowboy organization right now too. If

they're gonna make this move. There's no waiting around for like Jason Garrett be hanging out in his office for a week and like, oh well, hey, just kind of everything. You know the Cowboys when when they're put up against it, they'll go make a decision. But you got to put him up against it. And maybe maybe Mike McCarthy, if he wants to make a switch on Kellen Moore, wants this where it's like, I gotta go get this guy

right now. Because of all these coaches that are being interviewed for jobs, you lose those assistants, and I don't think Mike McCarthy wants to lose a top assistant to another team by waiting around. So if they're gonna do something with Kelln Moore, I have a feeling it's gonna be more sooner than later. To be honest with you, Well, let me change the question a little bit because I know it's a tough one to answer without knowing all the names and all that. But we know that Dak

Prescott is going to be here this upcoming season. He's going to be your guy. Is there a style of offensive coordinator that you think would fit better with the type of quarterback that you currently have. I think you got to get a coordinator that understands how to get Dak on the move. You got to understand how to how to I don't know if it's necessarily RPOs as much, but but it can be. I mean, it could be that, but it's got to be it's got to be a

guy that that's had some experience. And again I'm saying all this because maybe there is going to be a change. I don't know if there will be, but there needs to be. In my opinion, there needs to be a change because you know, the quarterback won't change. It's not going to change because the way the contract is structured, it's just not going to happen. So just get that through your head. But you can change the the you know what's in his ear, and maybe he does need

to kind of just a refresh, a different start. I think it needs to be somebody that has experienced with mobile quarterbacks. Excuse me, they can get their guy on the move a little bit and getting choked up talking about the offensive coordinator. I just think it needs to be somebody that has some experience and a guy obviously can't just stand in the pod because that's not Dak's strength. So get him moving around a little bit and understand somebody that he can relate to when it comes to

the checks. What does he checking into, what is he checking out of? Things like that. But I mean, I think Helen has done a really good job. But it's almost like this is as far as it's gone and needs to be more than that. Yeah, I agree with that. That's I think it's well said. But you know, you get to a point bat with Dak. It's to me,

it's you know that Dak always plays with challenges. There's always challenges to Dak's game, you know, and maybe you need to get that guy that it will challenge him in that way. You know. Maybe I think the biggest problems that Dak has is how he sees what's going

on once the play, once the ball snapped. You know, There's been plenty of times a lot of these intercepts I believe are due to you know, like the forty nine ers came out after this game and we're talking about you know, and Jimmy Ward was the one that said at the nickel corner for them, he says Dak can't play against zone defenses can't play against zone That's that's not my opinion. That's somebody that just competed against him,

you know, Jimmy Ward. The ball bounced off him. Number one goes to you know, Fred Warner, and you know that's you know, now you've got an interception. But his assessment of playing against Dak Prescott and right or wrong is that he cannot play against zone defenses. So if that's what teams are going to do, if everybody's sitting down watching, they need to figure out whoever the next doc, if there's a next doc, if there's a next doc.

But to Nix's point, I agree with him. I think you've run your course with you know, with Kellen Moore here, you know, I think you've run your course. I think there needs to be a different voice in his ear. I think they're you know, and we get trouble a lot of time because you guys, you guys live in this building. I used to live in this building. You have to go to the lunch room and all of a sudden, these coaches and people hear about, well, hey

we're talking about this and talking about that. That's your job. That's your job. But these people that's their livelihood. And so everybody takes that a little bit more personal, but it's reality. It is reality. If you want to find ways to move on, you've got to elevate, you've got to go and and and maybe do something a little different that you're not comfortable with. Yeah, and let me let's throw one more thing else about the Dak. When I said that about Dak, you know that's he's not

going anywhere or the contract. Let me make another thing clear on that too, And listening to Jerry the other day after the game, Dak is the quarterback because that's who Jerry also believes is going to be the guy. It's not just like they're stuck with a contract. This is the contract that he's got. And yes, you can't just make changes on it, but I don't think that they would want to anyways. I mean, I really truly believe that the Cowboys are fully supporting him and and

I think Dat can get it done. I really do. I think that he needs help and it's tough to do that. Look at the look at the quarterbacks that are in it right now for the NFC, Look at the guys that are in there. It's Brock Purty and it's Jalen Hurts. They're probably making a combine two million dollars this year. I mean that means there's a lot of money out there for other guys, defense, offense, a

lot of weapons. That Cowboys did have that for about three years until Dat got the big deal, and he kind of wondered, man, should did they waste an opportunity? They were having a really good quarterback at a really low number. But now he's got a big number. It's hard to find those pieces around him. But yet he needs them. He needs them. I think the Cowboys though they're not they're not stuck in a contract with him. They totally believe Dak is the guy. But they're gonna

have to figure it out and draft free agency. You have to draft smart. You can't have and I'm not trying to put blame on Jalen Tilbert at all or anything like that, because that was the only negative part of that draft class. But they gotta hit on the

guys like that for cheap. They gotta have young players in the first contract that are contributing and making money to offset some of the big numbers that you have, which is another reason why losing that dan Quinn, it's gonna be huge, a huge loss because of his ability to make something out of a player that isn't necessarily valued high. For example, all these free agents guys that come in veteran guys at a lower prize that it's

not like a big splash in the market. Kers did a great job just developing those players, even the rookines. I mean, yeah, talk about those guys I have shine through what dan Quinn has been able to do. Yeah. See, that's that's the beauty of having a guy like dan Quinn that works shoulder to shoulder with will McClay and Steven Jones on personnel. Dan has had you know, he's had his h you know, he put a lot of trust into Kelvin Joseph. Kelvin Joseph looked just too big

for him out there this year. It did. But what did Kelvin Joseph do on special teams? That's what you saw growth. You saw I made a huge play in that game the other day, so you know, yeah, I mean that's the thing about it is when you go out there and you talk about the Sam williams Izzie mcquomwu guys like that. Yeah, right, all these guys. Yeah, they you know, he's put his stamp on a lot of guys and it's come up big for him. And

and and I keep saying this. You know, he took an injury, but he had a plan for what to do with Michael Parsons last year. I did not see Michael Parsons rushed the passer like that at Penn Stake. And I've asked a ton of scouts around the league, not just the cowboy scouts, but there's scouts are like, man, this is something that we didn't see. So if you do lose a guy like Dan Quinn, you do lose the vision for the player. You'd lose the evaluation of

the player. And that's the tough thing about it is trying to find somebody that could step in and do the job as well as he did. And I told this story, I think on the air one time. But back at the end of training camp, trying to cut down the roster and all that, I asked a few people like, are we sure that Donovan Wilson is safe? I mean, he hasn't done a whole lot. I mean, he got a lot of other safeties. I mean, does

he have to make the team. And someone told me that Donovan, that dan Quinn had said the one player he's the most excited about this year was Donovan Wilson and how the different things he can do with him. What he did. He leads to the team and tackles, He's got sacks, he's got fumbles, pressures. Yeah, yeah, oh he was. He was an aggressive. He was one of the reasons why your run defense got better is a year, I mean him, vander esh curse, you know, Hankins. They

got better. They had problems, they had problems early in the year, and they didn't just put their head in the sand. They tried a bunch of guys at corner, they tried a bunch of guys at slot. They went and got a big time A guy made a trade, a small trade to get a big time body inside. Ah. I mean that's you know. You you you got to give these coaches a lot of credit along with the personnel staff for what they were able to do. He's going to be a free agent to Donovan Wilson, and

and I just wonder if dan Quinn does take another job. Yeah, man, you know that that's going to be one of his first guys that he's trying to take because he, like I said, he had a vision for him and he knows what to do is he's just a unique player. But you know the Cowboys can can do something about that that too. You know, I'm not saying you franchise tag him, but you know they can do something. They're gonna lose some guys they probably don't want to lose yet,

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just yet. But if dan Quinn does end up leaving, what's something that you feel he might be able to leave behind. I can stay here with the Cowboys because he's no, no, no, I'm saying just whatever in general, because we know if he's yes, like the stamp he put on this yeah, yes, he said it, he said it. I mean he turned Michael Parsons into a two way rusher and linebacker. That was a that's a huge, huge thing that that he that he put on the on

this team. But you know, that's a tough question because when you get a new person again, this is all hypothetical, but welcome to the offseason, because that's what you know, the words might and could and should and maybe perhaps

all all come into play here. So um, a new new coordinator is going to also have you know, his role on it as well, and he's gonna say, well, I like to do things a little bit different and and that's and that's okay too, because as great as dan Quinn was and is as a and you you'd hate to miss him. You know, this defense, they they

they had some some problems. I mean, there was some some times like the Eagles game and this game here where they needed to get the ball back and get off the field, and an eight minute drive kept them on the field. I mean, I'm not trying to be critical of a team that gave up nineteen points to the forty nine ers, but you know they had their moments too. They didn't get the turnover that on defense that that the forty nine ers did. Um, so there's

room for improvement. But man, is they're going to be completely missed if if they do. When you look at everything we had before that, Oh yeah, this is like it's it's it's I'm not I'm not being critical, but it's you know, Dan Quinn would sit in that chair or right there and he would say, hey, we we we needed to do better. We had to get off the field and make stopped. So there's room for improvement with the defense. What area of the defense do you

think was the strength of this team? What what position group? H I would probably say, you're defensive ends, defensive line, That's what I was thinking. But we know it took kind of like a dip. Yeah, as the season went on, you know, they started really really good and then eventually opposing teams started kind of figuring them out. Okay, this is what you need to worry about. Like if Dan Quinn were to go, who would he take off staff? Right?

If you really feel like, you know, with a D as the defensive line coach always Jack his name and it's called dirty and dirty. Yeah, So if you if you were if you felt like that was the strength of your team, of your defense, and all of a sudden Dan leaves and he takes a D with him. You know, now you've weakened not only your coordinator, but you've weakened a position that you felt like got better as the year went on. And so you know, now it comes down to, well, how do you feel about

Joe Witt? You know, how do you feel about George Edwards who has been you know, those guys have been coordinators before. You know, how do you feel about that? You know? Or do you do you go out? Do you go out and get somebody else? Do you go out and get Vic Fangio from you know he used to be at Denver who was a head coach and stuff like that. You know, do you go out and then you get a Brian Flores who used to be with you know when he's with New England and then

and then the Dolphins. You know, do you go because the one thing I would do me personally, I think that it proved by going and getting dan Quinn, going to getting dan Quinn, it proved it going outside your comfort bubble of who you you you know, because his first staff here were guys that he knew. It was. It was guys he'd worked with. It was it was you know, Joe Philbin's offensive line coach. It's it's Scott Tolzine, who he had before. You know, he was a coach,

a player and all that. It was Mike Nolan who his dad, Mike gave him, but not his dad, Mike gave him a job. It was Jim tom Sula who kept him around in San Francisco. Sometimes hiring your friends as a terrible idea, a terrible idea. And if we learned, if Mike McCarthy learned anything, open that net up, cast that net big, you know, cast the net big, and go and talk to these guys that I just mentioned, whether it was that guy in Denver, that guy with

you know, I think he's in Pittsburgh. Now what floor is, you know, go out and talk to these guys. There's gonna be some coaches that are that are getting let off staffs right now that might be worth your while. Don't just sit there and say, well, I'm really comfortable with George Edwards. Yeah, continuity and stuff's good, it really is. But they prove continuity with the offensive line. They could you could play with it. You can, you can, you don't have to have it, you know, I'm I'm to me.

When you start hiring like minded people all the time, your team doesn't go anywhere. You don't go anywhere. Hire people that might be smarter than you. You know, that's that is a really interesting dilemma because you you are right when it comes to that this team that even the defense, everything needs a little bit of a jolt um.

And that's the balance. I think that's so tough for owners GM's head coaches in any level is do you want to shake it up and try to take that next level or are you want to stick with the continuity and the building process and go, hey, we're right there, we really want to tinker with it. We you know, were right there. I tend to agree with you that maybe a different voice is needed, especially on offense. Yeah for Dak, but for defense. That's a tricky one too.

I could I could definitely love to be a fly on the wall in that room that says, hey, we're right there, guys, George Edwards or whoever has been here, let's let them be the d s. He knows Mica, he knows what he can do, he knows how you know, he knows these guys. But I could also understand this what is this getting you? Yeah, getting you to this play. It got you the wild card, it got you the divisional, it got you the turnovers to got you the sacks. Yeah,

sometimes players need something different. Yeah, you know, sometimes players all of a sudden come in and they're like going, huh oh. Dan Quinn was a lot different than Mike Nolan, a lot different, and it's what they needed. You know. As long as Will I have full faith, I think we all do have full faith that Will McClay is going to understand what kind of players because he's always going to ask the coaches. He's always gonna now he will say, well, listen, you really want that guy or

we got this guy. So that's where it's gonna come to. That's where Dan and Will worked out the best because they were shoulder to shoulder on a lot of these players. But you look at what the defense approved. The defense got better with a different voice with Kellen it it's good,

But is it dan Quinn level how we've seen? You know, I think everybody on that follows his team would say they have a hell of a lot more confidence in this defense than they do the offense, you know, and it might be that might be the changes that you have to make. And like I mentioned yesterday, Dak he hasn't heard a different type of voice really in his career just yet, so we don't truly know. And just like dan Quinn, he was able to get some players

better than what they've been layers. Do you think, oh, he's not gonna he did he did something, He was able to make them better, So it could very well happen on the other side. Let's go ahead and take an early break. When we come back, we already have a bunch of questions coming in from fans, so we'll try to answer as many as possible. After the break. The season is finally here. For months, we've been gearing up to win. Now it's time for the team that

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We're gonna try to kind of knock them out real quick. First question, we know Jerry was able to do this last year, but do you guys think Jerry Jones could sweeten the pot for dan Quinn and somehow manage to keep him once again. I think he's already being paid like a head coach. He already is that. That's something I have that reported on reliable knowledge there for me, I am the connections that I have. You know, with Dan, I think there's I say this a bunch Nick will

know what I'm talking about. There's only thirty two of these. You know dan Quinn is he has a hot commodity. He interviews very well. He comes off as a guy that has a plan, has answers. All you have to do is watch his tape from the last two years. Pull up any interview he's done, any press conference that he's done on Dallas Cowboys dot com, and watch how he interacts with the media, how he handles himself, how

the players talk about him. You know this. You got really fortunate last year that the Denver Broncos made a huge mistake. He was going to be their guy. Yeah, he was going, and it's just there's too many there's too many, too many things happening right now that there's people that believe that the job that he's probably best suited for is the Colts job. That's the one where he'll have probably the least amount of interference. Denver could

have some interference. Arizona could have some interference there. But he is he is, He is the number one or two candidate at all three of those spots. There's no way of sweetening it. Jerry did a great job. The inevitably, what happens is you're going to lose good people you are unless you know. Now he could he could say, Okay, Mike McCarthy, you're not coaching anymore, and Dan you're the head coach, so you know, but that's not going to happen,

all right, this person. Larry says, I don't think any offense coordinator offensive coordinator is the answer. Besides that option, what can be done to coach dak to see the field better? I disagree. I mean, I do think he's got to have a different coordinator, different system. I mean, like like we said earlier, Bryan said about about you know if zone defense is kind of the crux right now. I mean, he's going to have to that was a player that a player on a posing teams to that.

And I know people reach a Twitter at me like wait, tour Philadelphia up and all that. I'm like, okay, I'm I'm not It's not me. It's it's me saying the player that he competed against this weekend, that was his observation or playing against. Danny's not the only one that says that, I mean, And that's that's been a criticism of that processing reading. Look at some of the intersect,

look at a lot of the interceptions. A lot of them are have been like down the middle of the field where he's trying to eat him and you know, CD, you've got to get on the same page and things like that. Um I if you know, the question is doesn't need a new offensive order, that's fine. That that's an opinion. Uh, and maybe that won't happen. I kind of think it does. But but I think it's essentially we all agree that he just needs a different voice,

whether that's somebody else that you bring. Because I've seen people kind of here bringing up the example as we mentioned I think it's different, but I think it's a different offense. Though I do think it's a different offense. It's he's got to understand the concepts of it, and maybe it's just not getting the same right now. I think that that different receivers, not a whole lot of different receivers, but I think just the concept of what

they're doing. Speaking of different receiver, next question, should the Cowboys make a move on oh b J this offseason? We're doing that again? Yeah, I guess. So, you know what, you did cover a lot of ground with him last year, you did cover a lot well this year at the end of it. If he's healthy enough and you feel like that he could be a difference maker, and he could. You know, I really felt like that that the times that t Y Hilton got to play, I thought he

was a difference maker. Could could Odell be even a bigger one? Absolutely? So I would I would revisit that. I would revisit only but once you find out what that money is going to be, it might turn you away from that. Yeah. So you know, I've already sad. Like We've got the draft show kicking off tomorrow Wednesday, Thursday. This week. There's a lot of really good wide receivers you're picking down there with twenty six, twenty seven somewhere

right around there. You know, I think that thing could stretch for you for some receivers. You know, it looks pretty deep already. I know some people will probably disagree with that. I think it looks like a pretty good group. So I don't know. With Odell, I think the money's probably gonna keep you from doing that. Yeah. For me, I think, you know, I've said this before. I believe that you've got to steal some playmakers. You've got to get some cheap playmakers, and I don't think that's one

of them. You're looking at your third receiver that's going to cost a lot, probably like what a second receiver would make. I don't. I don't think so. I don't. I don't know if if they're everyone in the building over here believes that that, you know, he's going to do everything he needs to do to be healthy and rehab his knee and all that kind of stuff. So I don't think so to me. Receiver or running back

in the first round, Cashi Spton real quick though. If there is a new coordinator the first thing if I'm Mike mccurthy or Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones or Will McClay that I ask is, tell me how you're going to get Michael Gallop going. I'm not worried so much about ceedee lamb, tell me how you're going to get Michael

Gallop going. That would be one of the first questions I would ask, Like, huge miss this year, I think, and and he honestly he did better quote unquote coming back from that injury, like to start off the year. I didn't expect him to be ready that soon, even though he wasn't an impactful player throughout the season. He's like a moody player, not not not personality wise, but like you don't know what you're getting with him. When he has a big game, you're like, Okay, Gallop, he's back,

he's ready, and then he does nothing. And then when you write him off, you're like, this guy's just running around Tampa game. So he's hard to figure out. Maybe with coming back from the injury, you know, and they knew the first year would be tough, but but I don't know you needed more from your number two guy. Yeah, I mean it is, And you know, I think early

on confidence was a factor there. I just think there's also some things that it seemed like that every ball that was thrown to him was probably one he was making a contested catch or trying to get it. Just

never seemed like it was. The Tampa game was the one game where it was kind of like, all right, they got him going, here we go every other pass, every I mean, and I saw a stat the other day that he had more games with zero yards than he had with fifty yards in a game, you know, So that just that that just tells you right there the struggles that you were kind of dealing with with him, and hopefully you can get him going if there is a new coordinator or they need to go back with

the current one and kind of figure those things out. I would like to see a wide receiver added to this team that could at least compete for a bench press, you know, competition, I mean, just a little bit more strength. We got, we got some We got some guys that are lean and and you know, quick and fast and all that stuff. But I'm not saying you gotta go get DK Metcalf or the aj Browns of the world. They're nice though, but it'd be nice to have, you know,

I mean that type of receiver. I think I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind a guy like that. You know, last year, like Treylan Burks was was was a player like that. He's not you know, he's not like tough man competition, but I mean he's a bigger, strong guy and very Deebo Samuel h. Yeah, and that receiver will be there later in the first round because he won't run a

four three, he'll just run a four to five. But he bench twenty two times and he's a tough Yeah, Adze type of guy, you know that, that type of guy. You know, Amari was a little bulky. Yeah, I'm not gonna get get into that again. But he didn't play, No, not the same. He was a very good route runner, but he didn't play. I was just talking physically, Yeah, a little bit of the type. Yeah, but okay, final question before we end the show, running back question, running

back question. If the Cowboys don't trust Zeke to run the ball in the second half of that game, does that tell you anything about if he should be here next year on the same contract. And this is something that has to come up here in the past couple of days, some reports coming out saying that he would possibly be open to taking a pay cut to stay here in Dallas, and he's mentioned it to the media

that he would like to say in Dallas. So if that's the case, if he does accept and there is a change in the contract, then a pay cut, would you be willing to keep a guy like Zeke here in Dallas. I don't think I'm moving on. I don't know. I think I'm moving on. I mean, I think he was very emotional about after the game because he kind of knew what was happening. These players understand. I look

at the draft, I look at the possibilities. You're probably we'll see what happens with Pollard, you know, we'll see what happens with Zeke. But I think now it's just time. It's that you need to roll it, you know. You mean, if you're going to allocate money to Zeke, is that dollars well spent, even reduced dollars. I mean that can mean somebody else. Maybe it's two players, like they talk about, you know, going and Jerry like to say, well get

rid of Randy Gregor, I get three guys. You know, maybe you're now in that mode where you move on from Zeke, you can get two more guys. And that's I think that. I think that's the mindset you need to have, right. I love the fact that he's willing to do that, and and and he doesn't really want to start over. You know, he's he's he's not for everybody. He's got a nice comfortable situation here. They know Zeke, they know who he is. They you know, he doesn't

probably want to start over and do all that. But but it's the role. I mean, think about even if it's down to a five million dollars, well, think about you gotta draft somebody and then you got you got Pollard. You got to figure out how to do that. And then word's his role. And none of them are going to play special teams. So so what are we paying for here if he's not going to be the one

or even the two? You know, I don't know. I hate that his final play with the Cowboys could be at center when he gets blown up from the ball, you know, like that, But it also shows this guy, this guy is one of the best teammates will Cowboys gonna have? And and I have a I do have a lot of respect for for Zeke and when you look at how the career started on and off the field, and it's it's changed. He's changed more when you think about what he's a declining player, of course most running

backs are. But the difference between him running the football his first year and running the football this year is not as much of a change as him off the field and now and him growing as he is matured way more than he's decreased as a player. That's true. H Well, that is all the time we have for today. We do have the Draft Show starting tomorrow. Yes we do.

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