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We're can I improvise him here? But we have Brian Broddess. Thank you in studio today. Appreciate you, guys, Nick Dave, How are you guys doing? Great? Awesome? Amber? You know, I was gonna say you know you because I think you're on loan here from Taylor. Taylor was like, yeah, we'll let you have him here from Talking Cowboys. I was gonna say, well, you were with us first, that's not true. You're actually with Talking first. I was with Talking first. So I've kind of bounced around. I've been

kind of bounced a lot. Yeah. Game with hanging with the boys, I do. I hang with the boys on Fridays too. Is that absolutely right? And that draft show, which, by the way, I feel like you're already getting ahead. Start there we go, Kent Garrison, executive producer, right there, going at it, watch like eight guys I've got Yeah, I was gonna watch. Ohio State had a kid named Hubbart that I was gonna watch this morning. So but I'm happy to be here doing radio with it. Man.

Just go to the Cotton Bowl and you get to watch about twelve guys probably that's that's cool. That is cool that they actually got a game USC and Ohio State plan and yeah, I'm gonna try and somehow finangle a fuel pass and kind of get up close looking guys, so I can awesome. Well, today we're gonna get to talk about the Giants defense. Sorry, Brian, but this is now Dave's segment. Dave's job here, scouting report. You can do it if you want to go for it. Man,

I enjoy your scouting reports. Thank you tell us about this. We're going. Oh, no injuries or anything. I can't even you know what, Yeah, Derek does touch Yeah either, we should because that was an all star cast of players on the Cowboys injury report. Yeah, so are you guys concerned about the offensive line. Yeah, I mean the fact that you got two tackles with back injuries. I mean, I think they'll both play. But we've seen before, like

some weeks are worse than others. You know, some weeks, I guess Tyrn really has never missed because of a back right last year? Yeah? Oh and at the end when well, what was what was his situation in last year when it was his back and it was just back Chicago and San Franciso Francisco. Yeah right, so yeah, so yeah, I mean, I guess some weeks, I think it's not the most exciting thing to see both your tackles out and you know, Belle and Green as the starters,

but it's Wednesday, listen, if it's Thursday. The feeling that at least all Collins will be a go for this weekend, I think they'll play. You'll play, Yeah, I do. I think last week and boys amazing that he did what he did, because you wouldn't feel like that practicing not at all, any taking any snaps really the whole week

and then go out there and hold the redskins. We talked about Smith and Karagan and what they potentially could do to you and to go out there with no work during the week and had the game he did. I think says that at least it has to give him the confidence that this week, if they go with the same plan, that they could pull this thing off again.

Two quality defenders like Dave's going to talk about today for the Giants, And yesterday we talked about Orlandos Kendrick most likely being out for sure this weekend, we talked about Sean Lee coming back into practice. What about David Irvan, Yeah, how about that. I asked about that one this morning and from the answer I got, he's still in the protocol. So we'll see what happens. I'm sure Garrett will give us an answer today, but I was told still in protocol.

So it's I've kind of learned that if they don't practice after being put in the protocol, that they tend to be out. But keep an eye on this one. Just keep an eye. This would be longer than a seven days from the injury, because I remember when he when he went down less and he still played something

in the game. Yeah, but he made the tip pass it was intercepted, and so yeah, that you're kind of wonder but also had a sack there late in the game, right, Yeah, well, no, he got he had the time where the one sack he had it was we ran almost ran over Cousins and the next week hit the b Jesus at Yeah. Yea, he knocked him into knocked into DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah exactly. Um, yeah, that that's going to be interesting to see what happens with him. Well, I mean typically with concussions, you kind

of have an idea by Tuesday or when. Well, the way they've done things in the past, Jack Martin for instance, I mean he was he was back at shout out Wednesday practice Thursday. So if it turns into a didn't practice Wednesday, doesn't practice Thursday, that never really boats. Well, become I want him to practice and then see it. They would still have a Friday practice to kind of get ready for that. Well what would they do there

without without him? I mean they got some backup guys now, right, but really he plays the three technique there, so you would probably see Lewis Neil, Okay, get some, get some. Lewis Neil was your number one three technique in practice, I believe. Yeah, so him and Richard ashe when they don't use when they don't use. You know, we've seen we've seen some problems with Collins now too, with his foot.

He doesn't practice so on here. Yeah, you have two starters at the ends, I mean, and you have backups at your tackles and your quarterbacks on here. But do you uh right, We're gonna talk about that, even though there's not much to really talk about it. Everything seems fine. Do you roll? Do you roll with Lewis Neil in that situation or do you try to like move Tyrone Crawford inside? Like, Hey, I think they got a really good thing going with Crawford playing that right defensive end.

I think you're probably and you know, with the Giants offensive line, it might not be one of those things where you have to be Louis Neil. Might not be a bad situation from what's going on inside with John Jerry and those guys with the with the Giants was our new guy Ross Ross Russ will be a defensive Yeah, he would be a defensive tackle. Daniel he's a one, right, he's more of a one ash him. Yeah, I think against this line, you probably just roll with what you have.

He would be active, don't you think, oh, absolutely happen. Yeah, So I mean just in conclusion, real quick, and look at it's still earlier this real quick. Did you want to talk about the quarterback? Did you feel like there was a quarterback? No? No, no, I was just gonna mention it real quick in case people were wondering. Yeah.

I think you bring up a good point though, because yesterday you guys saw him practice with a rap on his hand initially right, and then I was talking some folks and said, well, how did that all work out? And he so he went with the rap early, and then as he got the day war on, I was told that he took it off. So he's obviously feeling pretty good about his situation. You know, if he's like, Okay, I'm gonna start with the thing on and see how

I could throw the ball. And if he's if he wasn't very good with it, well maybe he said, you know what I know, and I'm just gonna take this thing off and go. I just think I think he's okay. I think he's I think he's okay too. But between that and then we talked about this yesterday, between that and the conditions and MetLife Stadium in December. I wonder that's why you're practicing outside today. Yeah, sure, I just

I wonder how effective the passion about that. Yeah, he's taken him outside the first time since we've been at the Star that he's taken them out outside to practice on. Its funny you said that because I was I was walking up the steps. I was like, man, this would be ideal to practice in, but Garrett won't do it because you want to get a better Well the only reason I say is because the advantage point we have. I saw the water buckets all around the Yeah, they're

set up for practice. They're set for practice. So I text somebody said going outside today, and they go, yep, that's kudos. Kudos to them, because like the yeah, the Garrett thing to do would be like, well, this is what we do on Thursdays. We you know, we're gonna be ourselves here. We're not going to worry about that.

We want to have a clean practice. Whatever. What. But I think you should get out there if you got I mean, if you know you got to go play in thirty eight degree weather while you have that right here, so the wind blowing a little bit too. We were looking at the ribbons all going crazy and everything like that. So yeah, good, get the wind, get the field, the chill in the air. We really don't look out the window very often at all. I just did it because

I was walking. When you walk into our office, as you well know, you go, you look right at the field. So then I said, oh, water buckets practice outside, here we go catch you. As I was walking in today, I was just cussing the whole time. In my head. I'm like, well, the wind, it's like a knife through your skin. But there'll be a good little practice. So it's still early. If we still need to figure out what happens today. I practiced in tomorrow. What nothing we

were just I was just talking talking the weather. I can oh yeah, I'll bring up something that you brought up in our periscope yesterday. What about who was going to start it at corner? Who? You felt like, there's no Scandrick. I don't think you're gonna have Scandrick. We really didn't talk about him very much. Well, we didn't talk about it yesterday. Okay, Yeah, so it's Jordan. You guys came to the agreement. Lewis on the outside. Yeah, I think because she in a periscope. I asked her

the same question, and I think she's absolutely right. I think it's Jordan Lewis is who you're gonna get out there. So good. I'm glad you guys covered that. How about that? And I mean we did, we covered that yesterday a little bit. But so if everything goes the way you want it to for the time being, you got your two highly touted rookies, well, oh, good point. That's a that's a really good point because Xavier Woods is probably gonna play Davior Wood's gonna play a slot for you there?

Get ready? How stop that Storling Shepherd is there is their primary slot player for them at the Reds at the Giants, And it's a matchup that I wrote about today. It's gonna go up on the site. It's on the site. Yeah. That so, so now you've got a situation where you've got a rookie who really is not probably the most comfortable playing as a slot is playing their best their best player in the slot. You got three rookies starting, yeah, in the secondary and I must win game. I mean good,

that's I think that's great. Honestly, do you think that's gonna be the story of the how I mean one way or the other. Yeah, because they'll either be up to it or they won't be. It'll be a story. One they're gonna lose this game with the Giants running the ball. They're gonna lose this game the Giants throw the ball. Yeah, okay, Which so either you're starting three rookies against the Giants, probably the worst passing attack you'll

play all year. Yeah, and if quarterback that's had those four hundred yard days, if they do a great job, it'll be a story. And if they do a bad job, it'll be a story of how this rookie class you know, you think is working its way down. I mean the fourth round pick made a great play last week. Yeah, the three defensive backs or start are gonna play and start, so like, you know, can't who do we who's left? Who we need to make some plays over there? I

assume you're being facetious, Taco. I was talking about that on Twitter, like, yeah, all right, it would be nice. Maybe they're not on that twenty sixteen level because nobody will be ever, but pretty solid showing from this draft class. And it's not bad. I'm not saying he's great. But like I don't, I Taco's fine, right, He's why Why do you say right? Because I know nobody believes me.

Why I like him? I really do. I really I like him, And more than anything, I just think of how his body structure, the weight room for a year, coming back second year. I guarantee he will be fine. He will look the part he's gonna he's gonna he just needs to be a little bit bigger, a little bit more confident in what he's doing. I think he's gonna be. Okay, Okay, let me revert back to draft talk again. Does he keep you from drafting a quality

defensive end? Um? Considering the situation that if you have to answer me the question about DeMarcus and David, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's I'm saying. I mean, if they're both the guy's seventeen million dollars, if they're both on this team, then I don't think you need to spend a high high pick on a pass rush. Yeah. Rating one round in WAE round, how about give me

a second round there? When Garcon he's a stud, there are other concisions that I'm taking him because the giant, Hey, she gave me second I was just like, come on, brought us if you ever other positions. I mean, there are other decisions that would need it more than a defensive end round. I agree, but a second round. Give me a second round position. I'm gonna put you on the spot. Since she was kind of snarky with me on that, well, safety, Oh here you go. Interesting, that's

that's your woods. Yeah, okay, but she's she. I think I think she's more figuring about Burne Jones. I think that that's not I don't I don't disagree with her. Jeff Heath, for that matter, I don't disagree with you that either. That's a good call. Second round safety, nothing wrong with that. I don't see pass rusher if if Lawrence and Irving are on this team next year, I don't see it as as big as a need as safety or a line back. Nick just told you Taco's

gonna bulk up. No, it's gonna be fine. But Bacco has shown me it's not as much as you would prefer from a first round pick. But I've seen enough there that I'm like, I'm I'm gonna have I'm gonna choose to have optimism that year two will be bad And I'm sorry I'm doing this to you here. Who have you? Who have you been more seen more of if your time? Because this guy's essentially a rookie Jalen Smith or Taco Taco, Thank you Taco. Well, Jalen's been on the field way more, I mean Taco. But who

who who have basically rookie guys? Do you have a better feeling for going into eighteen? Yikes? I don't know. Well, that's not a sorry Nick Well, I mean that's that's a tough question. But I mean, one guy's leading the team and tackles, but that's mainly because Sean Lee has been hurt. He's leading the team and tackles. But but do you feel great? Oh? I don't forget any of tape out there of him where you're just like Sea

you feel great? No, But again you can't really come I mean two different situations when you look at who else lines up next to him? Sure, great guys, I mean no, I'm talking about offensive end oyeah okay, and the defensive line right these other guys that I mean DeMarcus Lawrence, David Irving and falling out the season and then with Sean Lee being out. Yeah, Jalen Smith gets more chances to be out there, so obviously you get

to see him more doing more things. So you're saying Jaalen, you felt better about Jaalen than you do Taco going into eighteen. I think I do too. I think I think I feel better about Jayalen than Taco. But she were just cheering for Taco a second ago. Just because I feel good about Jalen doesn't mean I can't feel good about Taco. Sure, you can't all ve tacos. I think that the social saw the Giants win a Super

Bowl by drafting just kept drafting defensive lineman. Yeah. So I think in a pass rusher is the one position that, even though you feel good about it, if he's the best on another word, get another one because you can rotate, keep him coming. So she's right about safety too. Yeah, he is right about that. All right. I'm curious to know where you think wide receiver falls. I know I'm

with you on wide receiver. If she would have said wide receiver, I would have said that because you're gonna have you're gonna be in a situation where okay, let me ask you this. Then another question about wide receivers because this might have been something because you took Noah Brown. But would you have rather paid Barry Church or paid Terrence Williams. Oh, I much rather would have paid Barry Church. But to be fair, But then now you're saying, well, okay,

go get him Noah Brown. But Barry I mean, to be fair, Barry Church got double the money, like he literally double them, probably double the production probably, But I'm just I mean, you got to take that stuff into account. I mean, it's easy to say, yeah, that's I mean, that's a thirty million dollar contract that would make him, that would probably make him their fifth largest contract on

this team. I would imagine though, without Terence Williams, they would have drafted one a little higher than I mean, and Switzer not really, I think they would have probably drafted one higher. They were they were trying to take a running back in that fourth round pick, and they wanted because now pumped from FUM free from San Diego State. But I would imagine they wouldn't have gone maybe a

corner in the third round. Yeah, I don't know, though, they're gonna have the well cracks at it this spring. So yeah, twelve picks something like that. I think, I think, I think wide receivers. Sorry about speaking of tight end being knocked down? Is that gonna be one of them? Yeah, I'm with you on the wide receiver thing, alright, I am with you on the first round. I don't think they're going to go first round wide receiver. Let's just

do a draft show. I know, no, no, no, no, no, I mean and I don't want to talk my way check out the week before the combat. I'm not the seam of the Senior Bowl. Probably January. There you go, let's do it, all right, guys. I don't know when we're supposed to take a break, but I learned ahead and go ahead. I learned this at fifty and ten. Fifty and ten. Yeah, okay, yeah, you're good to go. All right. Well, let's just go ahead and take it early.

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Back to the break. Okay, guys, we are back on the second segment. Up the break, Dave is going to give us a scouting report on the Giants. Awesome, yeah, this is this is good with the scout in the room. But you guys, remember how we talked yesterday about um injuries. Well, hey, they ain't just the offense man like you wrote it in your thing this morning, like they don't have anybody left, don't this team? Uh? So? Jenoress Jenkins went on ir H this with this past week. So, but I think

I just heard as cheering. Yeah yeah he should yeah he wait it's not up here. You got got demoted over there, Keenan Robinson? Who's your best? Probably their best? Like cover linebacker out? Yeah? Done? Um? Who else was on here? That just stood out to me? Hey, Jeremiah McKinnon. Remember him back for the Vikings? No, that's uh used to be our guy? Yeah, where's he's playing for them? He was until he wound up on iry Um and then not when you're not talking about ir so all right, JPP,

you know him. He did not participate yesterday the finger injury. Spare me the jokes. I don't want to hear it. It's not nice. What happened there? You go, thank you, Snax. Harrison limited with an elbow injury. Jonathan Cassius, one of their longest tenured linebackers, did not participate with a neck and a wrist injury. Eli Apple Eli Apple, first round pick out of Ohio State, did not participate with hip

and back injuries. So even the guys that are left, we don't know how many of them are going to play. So that's the big thing I'm looking at you're looking at. I think Brandon Dixon, you're absolutely right, stepped in, Well, he stepped in for Generus he did. Then you lose Eli Apple and Ross Cockrell. You are on fire. Former

Pittsburgh Steeler is the guy that you're looking at. So Domini Rodgers, Gramardi is still there as your primary nickelback, sir, and Landon Collins is still there as your Pro Bowl strong safety watch him. Other than that, I love the commentary. I know I appreciate the votes of confidence for for real, um, but I mean they're they're down, especially on the back end, like not having Genorris Jenkins. I's like a student driver driving in like that turn. I got my foot hovering

over the break right now, I did. I mean not having a guy like Genorris Jenkins who routinely holds Dez Bryant to one and two catches for eight and ten yards. Maybe the best thing he said all morning. I think it changes everything about this absolutely does. When you have a guy that can take a Dez Bryant out of a game. All on his own, and you don't have him absolutely, and you're leaning on Ross Cockerell and and who's the where's my other guy, Brandon? Yeah? So why

why if that's the case, why would Washington not do that? Then? I'm sorry, I just got distracted there. The Browns just fired their executive vice president of football operations, Rappaport is also reporting that they're considering your boy, John Dorsey. Yeah, there he gets worth. I'm glad John's getting consideration. They're him, Scott McClue and all those guys are good guys. Yeah,

you're nick your question. I'm sorry, No, I was just thinking, you know, like, we've seen Jenkins win that battle a lot, a ton, and he's better. He's better than Dez when it comes one on one, he's a one or he's one of the few guys that can really shut him down. And I think Norman. We've seen Norman have success too. Now Dez has been a little bit more. It's about more fifty fifty there. But why wouldn't they try that?

Because because then he's just killed Brelan. I didn't kill him, but I mean, yeah, his arguably the best day of the year, right, he's not traveling with a guy. Yeah, well what happens. And I think Marinelli's explained this because a lot of and this is what defensive coordinators go through, is when you travel a guy, it affects what everybody else does in the coverage. So you're not only moving that responsibility with one guy, but everybody else has to

account for the movement of the plays. So all of a sudden, if if a guy starts on the left side of the formation ends up on the right, that changes completely what they do in coverage. And so a lot of coaches don't want to do that pre snap. They don't want it. Now, you could get away with it some special packages. We've seen guys spy linebackers and things like that. That doesn't affect the back in, but when you travel with somebody, it affects what everybody else is.

And coaches are worried about what we saw under the Rob Ryan administration. Remember how much traveling they played. All of a sudden, guys are running free in the secondary. That's something they really really really want to avoid. Gotcham So, looking at the Cowboys offense and their defense that the Giants have right now, what would be the area that could give them the most trouble. Well, I mean I did just say, you know JPP didn't practice yesterday. We'll

keep an eye on him. Carry Wynn or Avery Moss Moss, Yeah, rookie at a Youngstown state rights. That's a fun thing. I mean, this is just you and me draft stuff, but like a lot of young dudes, I mean, Avery's time of year. Get ready for them all, Avery Moss probably your left end if JPP can't go, Dalvin Tomlinson has taken over. They's done a nice job. Technique shows Yeah, So you to your question Amber the defensive line, even if Jpp's not there, Olivier Vernon has given Tyrn Smith

fits throughout his career. Yes, Lyle Collins is injured. So whoever he goes against, I feel like you're gonna want to watch that awesome job, awesome, awesome job against the Redskins. But you're still talking about him playing with a bad back right now, And then I know, I feel like he hasn't had as good of a year as he's used to. But Damon Harrison, I still think is he's still when you watch him play, he's still commands blocks the Raiders. What the Raiders were able to do to

run the football was on the edge. Really, that's what you have to do, kind of get everybody trapped inside, and you know what they do it what they were they were taking the ball at Olivier Vernon and so what they did was they when they get him usually he's a hard guy to hook on the edge, so they just mashed at him and they get him to widen and then they trapped everybody inside and they were

able to pop some runs. I have a feeling that the Cowboys are going to try the same thing because that allows you to pull your lineman, and that's what the Cowboys have shown the ability to do. You would know this way more than me. But I feel like Frederick, when it comes to somebody normal size technique, he'll win every time when every single time, but when it's guy that's massive, it's hard for him to it's harder for him.

It is hard for him because what happens is he plays so much with leverage and he's a he's a get in and turn guy, and if the guy doesn't allow him to turn his body, then he's kind of stuck and he's stuck flat. And when I mean flat. You know, you want to be able to create some type of movement, and he can't get movement on him. That's why they that's why the Giants last year had

some really good success. I know that Mickey argued with me about Elliott had a hundred yard game in the second game at the at the Meadowlands, but they didn't run the ball with really any effectiveness. Yeah, Dack through for about eighty yards. Yeah, so yeah, one oh seven nights. Yeah, actually, no, you might be right, it might have been less than under. So yeah, but David, your your report's really good on

the state of the Giant defense. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that their secondary is really really banged up. Linebackers are banged up. They still have the front that you have to deal with it. But thus the front is still really good. But it

has not translated. No, it hasn't happened. Twenty one sacks on the year, Yeah, that's been a problem for them and they but if you remember last year, though they were one sack short of the Cowboys, the Cowboys were ahead of them and sacks last year, so you know, for all the money that they spent, they had a good game plan. Spagnola had a good game plan for the Cowboys twice, you know, but he doesn't have They don't have the horses to run the race in the offense.

They do have the horses at least in the front four to to to affect the Cowboys. If the Cowboys don't get any traction, they're also I mean, and I agree with you, but they're last in the league against the run. Yeah, but you played the Chargers who were last in the league and run too, and that boy didn't work out very well. It's a really good point, Brian, thank you. I mean, yeah, that's kind of I mean, injuries aside, there's still a lot of talent here. It

had to know your team. They know they know your team, and you know them. You know what you're dealing with with that front. You better be able. You have to create doubt again for them, That's what you have to do. I just worry, and like going, I worry about the Cowboys ability to be balanced because without mister twenty one here, right, you can't just charge into the line and hope for the best. At least I don't think that's a good idea.

But even even with all these injuries, Like, I mean, it's gonna be cold, it's gonna be windy as hell. Dak's hand is twice as big as it's supposed to be. Not feeling too confident about what Alfred could do this week, I don't like Alfred's chances. If the Giants just don't respect the past even slightly. Well, the thing that Dave is really worried about just landing Collins playing down in the in the box they're in bar and if he if he's consistently, he's a guy you can't account for

as being that extra guy down. So now, Ken, where you where you thought that Ezekiel Elliott kid maybe make a move miss and then or run over in millet. I don't know if. I don't know if if Alfred Morris, Alfred can make a move, but I don't know how many of those. How many times are you gonna be banging into twenty one? You know, banging? Just keep banning. If it's if it's four and five yards, is shot good. But if it turns into him, just keep coming down

and they don't account for him. It's three yard games all day, and then it turns into a lot of sec A third and six is that's where you're gonna

have problem. But the secondary we talked about some mess If I was gonna say, you know what I'd like to see is if if Ross Cockrell and Brandon Dixon or your boundary corners in this game, yeah, I'd like to how about some bubble screens like the ones that they were throwing to des against sure that we're not working right, Get get those going, get things going, you get the ball out of your hand quick. You're absolutely right.

But this is where you worry about two and the fact that they this is where all those guys, Jenkins and those guys all play and Apple play into this plan for the Giants. When it gets third and six. They can deny you the football, you know, they deny the Cowboys the routes. That's the problem the Giants have now is they can't deny you. I mean, how many times it's like run for two, run for one. Now

it's third and seven. All of a sudden you're sitting there having to Okay, now make a tight window throw like to Dez Bryan on slant which Norris Jenkins hanging on him. This is gonna be one of those games I think when you have a lot of new players in the secondary where you could get some reverse, some sweep, some things wide because they're not used to seeing certain things like that. If they're if they're really familiar with the Cowboys what they do, they'll sniff all that out.

But this could be one of those where you could get some jet sweep reverses and fake jets. You're absolutely right. Anything you can do to manufacture your passing yards without having to throw the ball ten to fifteen yards downfield, I'm all about it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but to me, this is one of those games that you can't really have a complete evaluation of the whole how it's gonna turn now, how it may turn now. It's just one of those games that

we just have to wait and let's go play. Just go play. Yeah that's cold. Yeah, I could see either way. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I could see the Giants playing emotional and win and having a lot of great plays their way. I could see the bomb just falling out for them this. Yeah, you're right. You guys could be in that press box and it could be like, Okay, good start for the Cowboys.

They weathered the storm. Now go take that game, you know, or it could be Giants are hanging around Giants realizing we've only got four games left. Wait a minute, we've got a new head coach. Next year, we got a new general manager. You start playing for your job, you start playing for that. Someone's gonna watch this tape and they're going to evaluate me. They're gonna say he quit or he played out of his mind the last four weeks. And that's where I think the Giants are right now.

By firing the GM, now, by firing the coach, you're you've put the players on alert this you know, are they good enough to beat the Cowboys? Probably not, not with the current state. But that's the strange lady of that Fel's range, Lady, Brian's strange lad. I just this is one of those and I mean, they they'll do what they gotta do to get up, but like it's it's one of those like, well, they're playing for the playoffs,

they know, but there's a playoff game. I guess my point it's it's it's a no win situation in the sense that like if you win the game, you were supposed to win the game. If you play poorly, you're gonna get killed for it. Like win counts as a win counts as a win. Well, he's just guys playing

for his job too. But it just it just feels like, you know, it's one of it's a it's one of those mental games where you just gotta get past it's a bad team with a new coach and a bad record and they're mathematically out of the playoffs and all that type of stuff, and you just gotta get over it. And nobody's gonna pat you on the back if you win this game, even probably even an impressive fashion. You know what though, Dak said it yesterday and I agree

with them. This is the playoffs, Yeah, it is. They cannot lose any more games. They can't. That mean to me, last week was really a playoff game. I mean, you now, put Washington behind you. Now you gotta win. That gets the Giants, Okay, put them behind you every game and you know you're right, and then next week it'll be Okay, we don't see the Raiders all that often, but boy, you better go win that game. You gotta put yourself in a position to at least have a chance when

Elliott comes back Yeah, that's what you gotta do. Keep saying two game season. Yeah, it is a two game season, which back to back road trips. Yeah. So here's a question, where are you going to say something? This is a touchy subject. But and I know if Brian you're not very into that subject. But let's just go ahead and talk about it, Tommy John here, let's just get into it just because I mean, this is something that fans keep talking about in case the Cowboys to lose this game. Yeah,

and let's say we once again didn't see them being competitive. Sure, are we still talking about coaching or staff changes or if they do compete even if they lose, is that still a subject that keeps going on. I'll start with this. Those three games that you're talking about. The Eagles are going to be playing for the chance to go the Super Bowl all the Chargers might be one of the hottest teams in the league. And the Falcons Falcons won, you know, went the Super Bowl last year. They've got

they're kind of turning in the corner as well. Too bad losses for sure, but loose to the Giants especially and not be competitive. Yeah, Yeah, you're gonna hear a lot of that talk, what if you were competitive, it was a closed game, but still pretty bad. That's that's losing to the Giants would be equivalent to losing pretty bad to the Eagles. I think, so it's still bad. The Giants suffered a loss at the San Francisco's first

win was against the Giants, and that was bad. I mean in the New York papers just lit it up. And I think I still think this staff is under under that pressure. I don't think they're out of the woods. I think they need to find a way, and I have a feeling they're gonna have to win the field. Well, they have to win all the games, but the Eagles game might Philadelphia might be still playing for something. Yeah, the way that Minnesota and the Saints you're playing right now,

can't see where you really wouldn't be bad. Yeah you can't. You can't sit there and say, oh, well that's just checked that box. But yeah, I think you've had some bad losses this year. Now, let's let's switch to the scenario a little bit. Let's say they win out all these upcoming games and still don't kin in the playoffs.

They can't. They're not gonna find with ten win season, can't they will, they will not do how they won't they Let's just let's just be a little bit more realistic, like nine, and you'll just forget all those things that happen. And oh, I see we're going I see we're going there, and you're not and you're not. Yes, you will. She's not wrong. I don't think she's wrong. I think she has what happened. But if you get to ten wins, oh she said nine, Well, I said I kind of.

You don't get into the playoffs. If you have a winning record and you don't get the play into the playoffs, I think you stop and take stock of everything that happened to you this year, and you're disappointed. But I would be surprised. Why did I feel like he got a mulligan in two thousand and fifteen? He did? He did, Yeah, he did. Is he gonna get another mulligan because Zeke missed six games? If you get probably, yeah, probably, especially if he still manages to finish with a winning record

with his best player having sat out for six weeks. Yes, I think that's yeah. I think that's what will happen. And I can't say that it won't be deserved, honest, I mean getting to a winning record, not having Zeke for six weeks on top of all the other stuff that swirled around this team this year. I don't think you need You're bad losses with the bad losses in the season, the three in a row, really, I mean you don't think the Charger loss was bad? Yeah? No,

that was those three really the bad. But to your point, the Giants can jump over all of those losses. So that's what I was gonna say is if you get to I think you need to get These are the kinds of games that hammer those points home. Though. I think you need to at least Ohio States loss to Iowa. Yeah, it was in there. It was in everyone's mind. You gotta you gotta get to eight at least to kind of like quell the convergree with if if he's been there before, he can get to eight, he knows how

to get to eight. Master doing this if you get to Jeff Fish or the same guy. But if you get to eight, So if you go two and two but the Giants are one of the two, then that's that's gonna be a problem. You can't lose this game. It's Honestly, it's remarkable how bad the conversation was around this team heading into the Redskins game. It's remarkable how much it's quieted down. Yeah, like justin sure. Well, I

mean they're still watch our post games show. They're still six and six and they still need a miracle to make the playoffs. But you still like it hasn't felt as negative from the fans or the media. Beating the Redskins by twenty four or whatever. That that helps. Yeah, everybody picked the Redskins to win. Yeah, no, no, I know, but that's what I'm saying. I was watching, I was watching those guys. I was watching Tony Dungee and all

those guys pregame show. Tony Dungee's like, oh, Washington better quarterback. Washington, better quarterback, Washington quarterback, you know, And that's the conversation comes back with a vengeance. If they don't even have to lose this game, if they win it, like if they win at fourteen to ten, oh just win. You know, you said better quarterback. I saw something on social media.

It was like ranked all thirty two quarterbacks. I'll see that. No, DA was sixteen and I was like sixteen and I watched the fifteen in front of him, and I'm like, yeah, he's better. Yeah, he's better than Dank. He's better. And then he started getting higher, like obviously these guys, I'm like, Wow, that's where it is. You can maybe argue Cousins, but I don't think so. I think Cousins this time last year when you had him in the top five, yeah, I think seven eight maybe, Yeah, But it's the way

seasons go. It's well, it's and it's hard with a guy like Dak who's playing, you know, this is his thirtieth game. I think it's you know, it's hard. He's played bad guys. He has played. Three of his five worst performances of his career have come this season. I don't know about this year, but I think he's played his performance this year. Let's me kind of put a bow on last year. Now, I know what was happening last year. The runner. Yeah, and I thought it was

kind of fifty fifty. But it's not play bad. Well, I said this before. I just think he's having his rookie year. This is his really rookie year in the passing game. Okay, he didn't really get a chance to do that murder. I haven't heard that before. I like it. Yeah, no I haven't. I haven't been on the show. I like what I'm hearing. Oh, well, that's that's what I think.

I just think like last year, the times that he did get to pass the ball, Yeah, it was just very like short passes, you know, making sure he didn't make any mistakes, he didn't throw interceptions. Now he's taking more risks a little bit. So now it's when we are seeing those mistakes. It's a good point. So I will say this before we go to break. You know, we talked about coaching changes. I wouldn't be surprised. And

this happens a lot in college. When a coach is kind of having a tough year, the first thing to go is the coordinators or the assistance. Sure kind of may all right, you're gonna have to change some guys on the staff, and then we do that, and then if that doesn't work, then the next year it's you I could see something like that happening this year. If they don't make the playoffs. I would imagine that the coaching staff will change somehow. Yeah, some coaches that might

leave on their own, right, YEA one way or the other. Yeah, I don't whatever, maybe somebody's fired or maybe they're not. I don't know, if they get a job somewhere because what I mean this for the most part, I mean, okay, maybe your number three tight ends coach has left, but like this staff hasn't seen a major change in three Yes, that's unusual. Money, that was four years ago. That four years ago, I mean that was twenty thirteen, and it

wasn't a major change anyways, because Marion Ellie was already here. Yeah, I mean you haven't had a new coordinator or major position coach change in four years. I think it would be time. I honestly, if they don't make it, and I really like everything Marion Ellie does, but I just think they watch this show. No I know, and I

love what he does. I just think there needs to be some kind of changes that if if your weak side linebacker goes down and the whole like the sack of groceries just you know, just bottoms out because of your week's side linebacker goes out, something needs to be changed there, You're right, and they need to draft another badass lineback. Then I ask a question too, when we get back from break yeah, Well, we get back, so

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question here. Can in twenty eighteen? Can you go into the season being a team offensively rely on just so much on a running game? They need to break from that. Well, I think i'm you look at what they really like they rely The offense appears to rely solely on a running game with Ezekiel Elliott and that, and because it affects the offense and defense, can you go? Can you go in the problem because you guys were talking about changes. I get, I get what you're trying to say, but

I mean, that's that's how you built the team. But but there's a difference with saying this is the better thing we do and then what he's saying is relying solely Yeah, can you rely just on it going into can you go in? No? You can't. All right, let me. I get what you're trying to say, and I agree with you to a point, But like if what are

you trying to change? What's what do you need to change that's going to bring about I'm trying to change where you don't have to sow your offense is just not goes in the tank, but for not for how so do you think they need a new quarterback? No? I was just saying, do you think they need better wide receivers? Like we talked about that as a possible in the draft. Okay, all right, can we do the l fitting in the room? What needs to happen at

tight endy? You think they're okay? There? They will, they'll continue to play with Jason Witten. I don't think anybody has. I think it's not That's not the question I would you rather, I'm not taking him off the field. Yeah, that's what you're asking. Well, and I'm just wondering about that too, And I think that I think I don't think that's the positions kill him. I think you asked

about the wide receivers that's killing him. You know, if you want to say, what's going on with Des Bryan, what's going on with Terrence Williams, what's going on with Cole Beasley, those guys would help Winton. Those guys more speed, using more of the field vertically would help capable throwing it down the field. Dakota. Yes, yeah, I think so,

And I don't seen it on a regular basis. I don't know if it's because of him or because of the I mean, okay, why is his team still relying on the run, because, at the end of the day, because he's still a very young quarterback who doesn't feel entirely comfortable playing that way. But and that was I was going to bring that up earlier, which is, yes, you're absolutely right. I thought it was a much more fifty fifty split. Like I thought it was equally parts

dak and Zeke. And what we've seen at the last month is that that's not true. I don't think that's that's it's okay to admit that. It doesn't mean Dak is a bad player. It means he's twenty four and he's still how to play football. I did not like what the Seattle quarterback for five years ago. I really did not. I didn't. He didn't have to carry the team. He has become a completely different player than he is developed into an MVP candidate because they right, and and

Dak is a similar type of guy. And if and if and if he's committed, like Russell Wilson seemed to be committed to trying to get better and craft his game and play. Don't he could do that? Do you not? I would say that. I think he has that makeup like I think that's what he's about. I think, yeah, I think I'm not. I'm not worried about him having the work ethic or the desire to be better. It's

mainly more the experience. And yeah, if if you take Marshawn lynch Off those twenty twelve and twenty thirteen Seattle teams, do they look as good? I doubt it, but we'll say this though. You can't deny after rookie seasons and really a second seasons. How Robert Griffin was going to take over the league. Sure, Colin Kaepernick take over the league. Andrew Luck even to and now he's had it's more injury, right, But but you know that's where it starts, towards started

with Griffin. It's toward it starts. So all I'm saying is is that you know that going in, is he gonna go Russell Wilson? Is he gonna go that route? Is he gonna go this round? Wouldn't you and wouldn't you agree that when the running game has been there? Oh they're they're not there. No, they're an incredible team with the run. But not only that, but but you're so much the mercy now, but you have seen like Dak can play that way when he has that. I mean he he hit those long passes last year. I

didn't make that up, you know. Yeah, I'm just asking Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Green Bay in the playoffs, like it's not like the guy. Okay, what's been the Okay, what's been the problem with the offense without the running, without the threat of Ezekiel. I think it's this lack of speed of wide receiver. You've heard me say I have two billion times. I don't think I don't think, I don't. I don't think they

have any playmakers. They have nobody that can just say, give me the ball, Lissuk tackler too, I'm gonna go fifty yards. Nobody scares anyone on this days unless it's Zeke. It's probably a combination of receivers who don't scare a defense enough that they're gonna make a play even if they're well covered, combined with a quarterback that it make.

It doesn't always make. Tindow not gonna regularly make elite caliber throws right now, and he's not even gonna attempt him more and honestly, which knocks your interception right down. But therefore, but well, But she made a great point about saying that he's taken more chances, and she's absolutely right, he's taking chances, But is he successful doing it more often than not? No, especially not without Zeke. See That's

what I'm saying. But can you feel like though going into next season you could still be the primarily running team, But I think you your best bet of winning a Super Bowl with the way this thing is constructed is to lean heavily on the running game and have him be able to make plays, but mainly manage the offense smartly and efficiently. And I think you can do that. Whether that means first of all, and Zeke will be back, and I think he'll be fine. But like I'm investing

again in the running back position. You would prefer not to because you spent a fourth overall pick on him, but that's what makes this thing go. So if you whether you want to back up for Zeke or back up for Sean Lee, I mean preferably both. I'm just asking one or the other. You can't have it all, Dave, probably Sean Lee. I mean, the offense can at least get the job. You don't worry about Zeek getting hurt, but you worry about the off field where exactly you

don't worry about off the field. But I don't know if a fifth or sixth round linebacker could come, but I think a fifth or sixth round running back. We've seen that success story a little bit murd around in New Orleans. Let's throw this out. I like, yeah, well no, and you go find yourself. And Alvin Kamara, who not only did we talked about him a budge. You're talking about the Cowboys, not you and me. Go find yourself a guy who can not only spell zeke, but compliment.

Who's this year's Alvin? He's out there. I don't know what his name, Ronald Jones. This is a deep, deep running back class. Yes, might be that kid at Stanford, Yeah, Bryce, maybe the kid at USC too, Yeah, Ronald Jones, bring him on. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, there you go. Well, here's another question. Ideally, you do want to have an offense that's well balanced on both the running game in the passing game. Right, looking at all the other teams in the NFL, how many teams are actually actually have

that m that's a fair point. Yeah, and on. I mean that's the there's But this team, guys is just they're they're they're paralyzed by their inability. I mean, but not that Alfred Moors has been bad, but they're they're paralyzed and something's caused them to be paralyzed, whether it's the quarterback play or the consistency of the quarterback play, the receiver's offensive line. That's something that Mickey always likes to talk about. I mean, nobody wants to hammer on

the offensive line. But has that been Has that been why you haven't had consistency? Dak Prescott throwing the football because he doesn't have time to sit there and find somebody down the field. Well, I mean against Atlanta, sure, but I don't put I don't, okay, kick that game out, But I don't know. I don't put the struggles against Philly or the Chargers on on the offensive line, at least not not wholeheartedly. No. I think for better, for better or for worse, you know, I mean, it's it's

so much water under the bridge at this point. But that I mean, he is not on that Tony Romo level where he's going, like where he's like that maestro. And I was I was gonna say the same thing, despite doesn't bring the level of the receivers up and vice versa. I don't think that they bring his level up. That's true. First of all. I mean nobody he thought affected the play caller too. I think I don't think anybody thought when that whole thing went down that he

was on that level. I wrote about this last week in my column. It was more of a it's a decision you make thinking four or five years down the line more so than like what is he right now? It's a great point she said about the rookie year, because you think about like, if if this is the deck we were seeing last year, we'd understand it a lot more. Would we would understand it and he would

There would be some there'd probably six and six. Yeah, but it's not I get that, But I mean it's almost like y'all are trying to take that credit away from him. No, no, no, no, he did. He did. I just think he needs help around. Yeah, And I guess my point is maybe every quarterback needs help. They do for the you know, the fifth time on this show. Like it's not an indictment on him that this is

where he is as a second year quarterback. It's just the expectations were raised so high by the way he played last year and if he if he needs an all pro running back to function at that level, I think that's understandable. Did they did they let me I see this real quick? I'm sorry if they did, knowing what was going to happen, did they get a false sense of security you like in training camp? Did they not prepare for what the losses Zeke was going to be?

I think that is exactly right. It's see did they miss evaluate? What knew this was coming? I said, I said all offseason. I have a hard time kicking him for it because I said all offseason, I was like, well every game he kept playing was like, ho cheez, we got another week. Well not only that, another week, but no. But I mean they prepared for it, Like, what more do you want besides two thousand yard backs

in the backfield. Oh, they prepared for that, but one of them that you like, don't keep McFadden for I mean, they obviously didn't like him. What would have happened, I mean, what happened to change from starting the preseason game to neither playing at all? Yeah, so they should have done this younger back to try to see if he can find it. Go to someone's practice squad, steal someone, Yeah, somebody younger. And I mean, I like one veteran, but

I don't. You don't need to. And they obviously didn't want. We talk about protecting themselves, which yeah, absolutely, but they didn't mean they just totally discarded McFadden. Is it possible, like we're talking about like we understold Zeke's importance, Like do you think they did too. Like man, that's why I'm asking. I don't. Yeah, that's that arrogance of like we do what we do. Not only that, but like

next man up and all that stuff. But the age old thing you heard all last year, there's like anybody can run behind this line. Like I mean, yeah, Zeke's better than most, but like anybody can. What do we misevaluate the most coming out of training camp? Uh, taco See.

It would be easy to say Dak, but I think when he had Zeke with him, he was playing great, playing playing really like we were talking about bat you know, if you can remember back that far in early October, Like his numbers were comparable with Carson Wentz, who's having an MVP year. They were neck and neck for about seven weeks. They were numbers. I'm just talking about coming out of Oxnard. We misseevaluate the most that noise I made was about the what I'm about to say, Okay,

go ahead. I think they misseevaluated the wide receiver. I don't. I don't think he has been to the level that they want and need him to be. I just don't I mean talking about is I just don't think that that they get that kind of production out of it. They you want to believe that they can lean on him, and they just haven't been able to. And I think part of that is Dak too. I mean, I don't

think it's just Daz. I think I think Da. What I'm scared of is it goes to another team, Like he could go to another quarterback and he could put up unbelievable numbers. I really do. Here's what upsets me. I understand the yeah, miss evaluation, the whole thing. Yeah, for a few games, but you have a whole coaching staff. You have a whole staff, like I don't even know what the total number is, but you have professionals, a

whole group who sit in a room or not. I don't know how they do it, but where they get together evaluate all of these interchange opinions between one another, watch everything that's going on, and after several games have happened, or even what you see in practice, you should have a fair look and idea of what each person can and cannot do. So the whole miss evaluating, Yeah, it works for a little bit, but then you get to a point like, okay, somebody fix something. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

pretty much. I think a lot of times, and fans do it, and I think, you know, decision makers do it too. You see what you want to see and you're like, well, he'll he'll step up, he'll take the next step, He'll do this. And I've admitted about some of the things on defense, you know, Mollie Collins, you know, yeah, him, I admit about Byron Jones, you know ad about I admit about Anthy Brown. It's evaluating coming on a training camp. Yeah he was? Was he our camp MVP O Iron? Yeah?

Oh yeah, you're saying at a great camp. See I'm saying though, you know, you look at this situation. You're thinking, well, these guys, if they step up their game, we think sorry, no, I mean I we I don't know. Offensively, you know, I think you make a point about the wide receiver. I think the wide receiver position as a whole, a whole. It's as a whole. I mean you can point the figure. I mean, because we all tend to point the figure to the guy that makes the most money because it's like,

well they're paying him. It's like fans love to do that with Tyron Crawford. Yeah, he's making them. He's got to make you know, you know what, I think. I think there's a we miss evaluated really what DeMarcus Lords could do. There's a boatload side. There's a boatload of really talented players on this team, but I wonder how many of them right now are capable of creating and producing without next like big time help, you know, like

Da Dak needs Zeke and and Dez. The defense needs Zeke. Well, the defense needs Zeke, The defense needs see Sean Lee might be the only guy I can think of who like he he makes all that much of the difference all on his own, Like we finally saw them handle the game without that. Yeah, that's true, True, that's true.

I just think of you know, Odell Beckham. I'm just I'm so confident he would be producing despite how bad this team is, you know, like he'd still be having a great year even with no protection and bad quarterback play. I think he's that type of playmaker that he finds a way. I don't you don't see you haven't seen that from these guys really across the board. And I think that's that's a problem. Is basically if it's if it's not all just clicking just so the way you

designed it, it hasn't looked good. And you can blame the decision making, the evaluating whatever you want, but that's just sort of season the same path. I guess that's who they are. I think I think you can go that path though. You just got it. You got to do a better job of acting yourself. Whether that's it running back, whether that's adding receiver help, whatever, you've just

got to do it. You can't count on everything going right. Ye, great discussion today, Thank you, thank you for coming, right for listening. We'll be back tomorrow on Cowboys Break. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.